half of y'all who love barnes (the "more fluid paul pierce" © the truth) partied throughout rivers struggles...well, barnes has been terrible for a good 3 weeks...not a word about it.

but, i can take that from the agenda-bammas.

but, all y'all "impartial" bammas like shawn callin out austin and IGNORING the struggles of THE NEXT MELO...THE NEXT KOBE...THE NEXT HILL...THE NEXT T-MAC...y'all are garbage, dogg.

maybe duke-hate is just some addiction/disease and you bammas just in denial about it.

you can't pretend to be impartial and give passes to sorry niggas. i can take that shit from noted duke-haters, but y'all were gonna IGNORE this...he score NOTHING tonight...two months into the season when niggas supposed to improve...he the same ol' stiff ass ROLE PLAYER...nah, it's a TOPIC.

draymond big tennessee bus driver lookin ass bout to take his spot and we talkin about it.

let's get it

that would have beat the Lakers at Staples..

that's because he went to duke and didn't panic when stuff fell through. it certainly didn't occur to him to use his DEGREE to become a car salesman.

his Duke education to know he should have worn a helmet on that motorcyle.... His dumb ass should have also gotten a license to ride motorcycle...

or he could have just abided by his contract with the Bulls and not rode a motorcyle at all..


So let's see...

dumb ass nigga ruins his career and damn near kills himself while violating his contract without a helmet or a license....


lololol..

nigga log off....

Ed O'Bannon is far from broke and has shown a hell of a lot more intelligence and character than Jay Williams...

Plummer seem like a worthwhile debate.

in such a dumb ass manner..

at least Kellen Winslow came back and did something in the pros..

Ol goober ass nigga bought a motorcyle ....no helmet..didn't get a license..and ruined his career..

historic level fukk up for such a high draft pick.

of the Bulls ownership heart ...he violated his contract and they had every right to not only not pay the guy..they could have successfully sued him to get all their money back..

but they felt sorry for the dude...and they were trying to fix their public image after they broke up the jordan dynasty....


but you braggin about a nigga being a millionaire..

the nigga got a hand out..

he was a charity case for dumb ass niggas..lolol..

i already know you mad, but y'all resorting to bad taste to get a "w"...it's sad at this point. like, i never thought you'd co-sign WC. but, mad is what mad does.

j-will thing is his fault...not denying it. but why is that even in this thread. it's irrelevant. and you co-signing just to get it in

now, hurley? he was hit broadside by a dude who tested positive for speed and was driving without his headlights on and WITH AN EXPIRED LICENSE. oh, but that's hurley fault? party time, huh?

at this point, i'mma just ignore WC, because UCLA a dumpster fire and he mad. and i'mma ignore you, too. if bammas can't keep it above the belt, i'm done.

it ain't even that complicated. i'm nipping this in the bud.

I spit facts like lasers..

you get hit because of your dellusional attacks on players that didn't play for Duke..

Warren Coolidge shines that truth light on them Dookies to balance your non-sense.

A fan of a team that Jay Williams and Bobby Hurley played for shouldn't make character attacks on Ed O'Bannon...

that shit's just too easy..

lolololol.....

You can go plenty of ways with this

til handshakes.

https://p.twimg.com/Ap0JHUICMAAqImd.jpg

he is SORRY and these dudes seriously tryna give him a pass. i'm honestly disgusted by this. like, i been coming to this board for the past couple weeks tryna not be the guy to start the thread. but, he and austin played tonight. austin looked like an NBA player. barnes looked like exactly what i thought he'd look like.

this needs to be discussed. all i'm sayin.

they got walked down and i'mma talk about it.

It's not hate.

But it's not personal. I'm grossly indifferent to all schools that aren't UK.

I have other players I like that are non-UK.

It's just that you say, "***insert Blue Devil*** is so and so." and I don't care.

No offense.

since they played the Nugs like two weeks ago.

He was horrible that game but he really didn't play that much even though he started.

Team seems to be playing well.

he least austin can be sorry and ACTIVE. barnes be sorry and PASSIVE.

who they already had and wasn't terribly good. i may be biased because i thought they were pretty similar pre-draft and didn't understand the pick.

he's looking worse based on draymond green playing some fantastic minutes on both side of the ball and earning late game minutes, in barnes' stead.

my only agenda in any of this is really liking to watch the warriors play basketball.

barnes hasn't played well and has been outplayed by draymond.

that much is hard to argue.

then again the Sixers got him for some game-show parting gifts so it's hard to expect too much.

on him or someone with him as a ceiling.

not that barnes definitely maxes out at dorrell wright, but that's kind of how i see it going.

it's shocking how irrelevant he's been. ba's being charitable when he calls him a role player. he hasn't be a good role player this month.

should be splitting time Schuyer in Israel..

stats don't lie

Barnes
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/harrison_barnes/

rivers
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/austin_rivers/

more pts on better shooting in fewer minutes

damn

and barnes is SUPPOSED to be better, remember?

the point is rivers' early struggles were spotlighted here, while barnes dip in production and losing time to draymond has been ignored.

Its an L in the making for the doubters.

Last 5 games he's at 14, 3, 3 on 48%. Showing significant improvement in all areas including D.

Attacking. Shooting with dat confidence. Making plays.

Hornets coaches talking about how they can't keep this kid out of the gym.


They laughed off that willie winguy shit, but Beal aint got it. Barnes sure as hell aint got it. And if you wanna make it in this league it sure fucking helps if you are addicted to getting better.

if he's bust, the basketball gods are gonna have to beat him into submission because it won't be from a lack of desire and confidence.

he's definitely been playing far better though.

davis irked me at duke, but i don't care about that now. i wasn't impressed by what he did in college and didn't see how it indicated being a good NBA player. if i'm wrong, more power to him and the hornets.

it's as if he needs his number called on by Marc Jackson before he asks for the ball. it's frustrating from a numbers standpoint, but he's answered the call everytime he IS called on.

however, his number is seldom called on because of all the firepower on this team, and Draymond is a better defender and rebounder. he's the 4th option (5th when Bogut comes back) on a team that has its 1st and 2nd option balling out the last 10 or so games, and its 3rd option streaky as fuck.

he most definitely belongs in the league, but is way too happy playing the background. dude needs call for the ball more, straight up.

shit sticks out like a sore thumb in here lol

do believe in beal, however.

i give him credit. he adjusted to what the team needs, and he's shooting more. he's not shooting any better, so this is kind of faint praise, but at least he's not just hanging out.

i saw he started 6/7 shooting and i just said, "uh huh...that won't last"...8-22. that's the brad beal i know.

I was scared that I might have to eat crow for a little on that one, and he may just turn around still.

I was scared the Cavs were gonna pick him

on a winning team, its not like he's on a bum ass squad where he can just run around and chuck and pad stats every night

Curry, Lee and Klay would be looking at him like " The fuck?!"

only rooks averaging double fig attemps are davis, no neck, waiters and davis.

you so mad

points, on that team right now he's no more than the 4th or 5th option, on a worse team his numbers would be better

good job, try not getting sucked into a retarded, compulsive agenda. Barnes has a long way to go, but he's really not in a position to put up great stats yet. He hasn't really found his shot yet, but his moves to the hoop have been a nice surprise. The jury is still WAYYY out. I'm a Warriors fan and could care less about UNC and could care less about some stupid "nope! you mad" agenda.

haven't been paying attention but before I quit doing the Rookie Watch post at the end of November due to End of the Year music write-ups, Barnes was starting to be one of the five most consistent stat stuffing rooks.


But that WAS just late November.


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things that don't necessarily show up on box scores; he's easily one of our most versatile and best defenders ... on a smaller squad like ours, having a SF who can rebound as well as he does is huge



but if big points are what you're looking for, there are plenty of other rookies to choose from who are doin that on shitty losing squads

he gonna always be a ROLE PLAYER and he gonna get that non-dukie pass that ALL non-duke lottery picks that become ROLE PLAYERS get.

when redick gets traded to a contender, people still gonna try to clown that he not a STAR, as related to his college hype.

same with hendo...who'll be a FA this summer and will go to a better team and ball.

duke players gotta be STARS or they busts...UNC can put out garbage like barnes, who was supposed to be a once-in-a-generation talent. and he floppin like a fish.

Why are you even bringing up Hendo?? He's a NOBODY, so you might as well leave him out.

Why are you upset about a rookie having a solid season on a winning team? Nobody is saying he's better than Kyrie, and pretty much 99% of UNC fans could tell you he underachieved at UNC (to the point where many of us actively dislike him).

It's kind of sad that you are so determined to take another L on a kid who is doing a solid job in his role and contributing to a good team his rookie year. Let the boy cook.

and spare me this "solid" BS...he supposed to be a STAR.

jabari gonna be a STAR. HOOD=STAR. why ain't barnes?

Hendo aint better than Barnes. Kinda sad considering he's been in the league 5 more years....

>he gonna always be a ROLE PLAYER and he gonna get that
>non-dukie pass that ALL non-duke lottery picks that become
>ROLE PLAYERS get.


I don't have a problem calling him a role player, for now, but his offensive ceiling is still high dude. His ppg has steadily risen since December and he takes quality shots (ie his field goal pct) ... I would like to see him play more aggressively on offense from time to time (Coach jackson said as much the other day too)


and even if he does continue to be just a role player, he's a big piece of our squad that helps us win games. If this continues, I can see Barnes and Brandon Rush competing for the SF position next year when he gets healthy



>
>when redick gets traded to a contender, people still gonna try
>to clown that he not a STAR, as related to his college hype.
>
>same with hendo...who'll be a FA this summer and will go to a
>better team and ball.
>
>duke players gotta be STARS or they busts...UNC can put out
>garbage like barnes, who was supposed to be a
>once-in-a-generation talent. and he floppin like a fish.



but how else are we going to display our Duke hate? lol


you're definitely right here about the metric for Duke players though. People don't realize that players need the right system they can fit into for success in the league. It's not just about getting placed on a winning team.


as much as I would loved to have Kidd-Gilchrist at the start of the season, I would not take him over Barnes right today. Folks might think I'm crazy for saying that, but Barnes' game is perfectly suited for the style of bball we play in Oakland.

lol, you're nuts.

no, seriously.

and i'm not even shitting on HB. i'm ambivalent towards the dude, to be honest. butler's a better player right now tho.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278356

barnes defenders talk about how he doesn't need to be one of his team's primary scoring options, which is true, but then the question becomes : what else is he contributing? is he doing things besides scoring to help his team win games?

i know jimmy does. every single night.

on Kobe last weekend of course. The Bulls always seem to grab late-round contributors but maybe that's just my Sixer fan perception talking.

he's soaking up all kinds of game in practice from pippen and deng. he knows that's his lane (second banana do-it-all) and he's basically been doing a poor man's luol the last 5 gms (40 mpg, 15 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 48‰ fg, 23 for 24 on ft, balls-out defense)

yeah, gar and paxson have had a pretty good late-1st-rd run the last few years (taj, buckets, teague's a keeper too)

>he's soaking up all kinds of game in practice from pippen and
>deng. he knows that's his lane (second banana do-it-all) and
>he's basically been doing a poor man's luol the last 5 gms (40
>mpg, 15 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 48‰ fg, 23 for 24 on ft, balls-out
>defense)
>
>yeah, gar and paxson have had a pretty good late-1st-rd run
>the last few years (taj, buckets, teague's a keeper too)

Asik too even though he's gone.

I called it and like how his progression is coming along.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bScaW-Vh2jo

hopefully this becomes a nightly thing lol


the kid's gonna need to be this aggressive, especially if Curry's going to be out for a few games with that ankle he tweaked tonight

(goddamn how ridiculous does this post look right now.. Barnes went out and did EVERYTHING he's been doing for us all damn year -- tried to tell you bro )



you see this kid step up and play the FOUR spot last night?


you see this kid bang with the bigs down low for tough rebounds that our undersized team desperately needed?


you see him guard the other team's best player ?


(and since you're so big on scoring, you see him put up 24 right??)



he was so effective George Karl adjusted his lineup to match what we were doing

OKS loves to recalibrate players career trajectories.

Nah, he was SUPPOSED to be a STAR.

you can do the game-to-game thing and puff up your chest when he does well, but y'all ain't going nowhere, he won't be an all-star no more than what...ONCE?

i don't even get at that dude no more. but, if you wanna start it back up, i'd be fine with it.

he was the consensus #1 in the 2010 class and was superhyped. pre-season AA before he hit the floor and the prize of the 2011 draft.

he ain't reach ANY expectation...still hasn't.

notable exceptions being the "cautious" UNC fans (like myself, especially after that second season), and numark216 (who said, and I paraphrase, that his ceiling was a poor man's Joe Johnson)

that hype was unreal.

and a handful of other people.

Honestly I didn't know anything about until Bags started hyping when he thought he was going to Duke. I had my doubts about him then just for the simple fact that he was from Iowa and and I wondered about the level of competition he was playing. Then he picked UNC and Bags turned on but after actually seeing him play at UNC it was obvious that he had NBA-level athleticism and skills. It was always obvious that he had a good head on his shoulders.

I think Barnes is a better athlete than Pierce.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1943109&mesg_id=1943109&listing_type=search

and you still holdin onto the idea that he'll be anywhere NEAR pierce.

ROY.

that L coming each year

Pierce's career was not on a HOF trajectory before KG and Ray showed up in Boston.

why would you care about Rankings?

That'd be like a dude with no limbs with a "Car and Driver" subscription.

his bball iq and athleticism are that good that he's capable of doing just that


>OKS loves to recalibrate players career trajectories.
>
>Nah, he was SUPPOSED to be a STAR.
>
>you can do the game-to-game thing and puff up your chest when
>he does well, but y'all ain't going nowhere, he won't be an
>all-star no more than what...ONCE?

>
>i don't even get at that dude no more. but, if you wanna start
>it back up, i'd be fine with it.




I don't even expect him to make the all star team even once, but that's not my expectations. I expect him to continue finding his place in our offense that already has three very capable weapons.

I expect him to continue playing the quality level of defense (kid can guard the other team's 2,3 and in some cases 4) and grabbing boards that we always need


There's also something to be said about this kid's attitude. You're a lottery top 10 pick, highly touted by scouts and everyone calling you the next ______ ... and you come in contributing with the little things that helps a team like GSW win games.

He could have came in and over asserted himself out of the lineup, but his bball IQ is very high, he knows how to fit into a system -- more rookies in this league need to know how to do that

you wasn't cysing that bamma when i first mentioned his name on this board. were you in the fray when threads were poppin up about just how DOMINANT he would be in the league in a few years? how he'd be better than carmelo from day 1?

i have nothing against the warriors. this is about harrison barnes being a BUST. yeah, i said BUST. he not a star, so he's a BUST.

all your feelings about him based on your warrior fandom is of absolutely no interest to me.

it's never just about one player.. .especially when we're talking about a rookie. It's about how he fits into a system on a winning team (idk how many different times i've said that to you dude)


>you wasn't cysing that bamma when i first mentioned his name
>on this board. were you in the fray when threads were poppin
>up about just how DOMINANT he would be in the league in a few
>years? how he'd be better than carmelo from day 1?

idk anything about this, I just see a post talking a kid on my team who's making huge contributions.... we don't win that game last night without him.


>
>i have nothing against the warriors. this is about harrison
>barnes being a BUST. yeah, i said BUST. he not a star, so he's
>a BUST.


No middle ground there huh? lol




>
>all your feelings about him based on your warrior fandom is of
>absolutely no interest to me.



and your feelings of him based on some anti-UNC agenda is no use or interest to me either man.. I'm trying to talk about his development over the course of this season, and you just keep bringing it back to scout's/poster's expectations of him?


You're a Lincecum fan so you're still cool with me bro lol

>it's never just about one player.. .especially when we're
>talking about a rookie. It's about how he fits into a system
>on a winning team (idk how many different times i've said that
>to you dude)

man, STARS ain't gotta "fit"...they shine in any system, some systems to a greater degree, but they shine. he inconsistent and limited. he ain't no damn star.

>>you wasn't cysing that bamma when i first mentioned his name
>>on this board. were you in the fray when threads were poppin
>>up about just how DOMINANT he would be in the league in a
>few
>>years? how he'd be better than carmelo from day 1?
>
>idk anything about this, I just see a post talking a kid on my
>team who's making huge contributions.... we don't win that
>game last night without him.

you don't need to know about it, dogg. it happened.

and y'all can win the series for all i care. it don't matter to me.

>>i have nothing against the warriors. this is about harrison
>>barnes being a BUST. yeah, i said BUST. he not a star, so
>he's
>>a BUST.
>
>
>No middle ground there huh? lol

absolutely NONE. duke players have gotten the star or BUST treatment for 25 years. UNC players gettin it now. i don't wanna hear about no damn CONTRIBUTIONS...he not a STAR.

>
>>
>>all your feelings about him based on your warrior fandom is
>of
>>absolutely no interest to me.
>

>and your feelings of him based on some anti-UNC agenda is no
>use or interest to me either man..

and yet HERE YOU ARE...in my thread...about a UNC player, not a warrior...A UNC PLAYER. so, take a breath, and ask yourself: "should i get the hell outta this thread and just cheer for my team and leave Ba alone to do his thing?"


I'm trying to talk about
>his development over the course of this season, and you just
>keep bringing it back to scout's/poster's expectations of him?

yes. that's exactly what's happened. i'm not interested in your satisfaction with his development. i'm interested in the UNIVERSAL disappointment in his progress toward super stardom since 2009.

>You're a Lincecum fan so you're still cool with me bro lol

solid start last game. control lookin much better, due to improved mechanics. he workin hard. i expect his FB to gain a few ticks as the years goes on.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lir82mjUor1qhpezzo1_500.gif

That was the best game he's played since high school. He didn't show THAT at UNC. Not sure whether that's his fault, Roy's fault, the system's fault, whatever. But that was different than the Calbert Cheaney Jr. he showed at UNC.

>That was the best game he's played since high school. He
>didn't show THAT at UNC. Not sure whether that's his fault,
>Roy's fault, the system's fault, whatever. But that was
>different than the Calbert Cheaney Jr. he showed at UNC.

he's on the right team. since he has to work and not coast around on hype and the shield of a revered college program, AND he has a really good surrounding cast of players (Spice 1, Klay, et al)... he will improve.

but when he was at UNC he was SouthRaleighMan.

>That was the best game he's played since high school. He
>didn't show THAT at UNC. Not sure whether that's his fault,
>Roy's fault, the system's fault, whatever. But that was
>different than the Calbert Cheaney Jr. he showed at UNC.



some of that is definitely his fault, he was very passive in the beginning of this season; Warrior fans just chalked it up to him finding his place and getting a feel for the NBA game
(i'm sure you saw that same passivity at UNC )

sometime around the All-Star break is when he showed flashes of what we saw last night in Denver. It's like all of a sudden he realized that he can take cats off the dribble and yam on them when he wants to


not really too sure how Roy's system affected him, but I can say Mark Jackson's system has suited this kid perfectly... he's found his place and he isn't going anywhere

players.

see Vince, MJ, etc...

of the same shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efQ0mCG29Ms


been saying it all year, the kid needs to assert himself like ^


those drives are always going to be there for him (anthony randolph or no randolph) because teams are so concerned about guarding the three point line against us


he's really our only slasher

kinda fun lol

>kinda fun lol

it is!

huge game for the yuggin last night...

he showed what he's about..

and it the PLAYOFFS!!!!

another game like this and this post should be anchored...

PLAYOFF GAME

you said dude should be in the d-league..

it's a huge L for you.

given the fact that you have no NBA team....no NBA 'genda that rises above some non-sense...

and it's playoff time...

you swimming in a pool with no water playboy....lol.

Austin just had the worst NBA season EVER and bill Simmons making charts showing how MKG can't hit a shot 2 feet away from the basket lmao
Barnes gon keep getting better

>Austin just had the worst NBA season EVER and bill Simmons
>making charts showing how MKG can't hit a shot 2 feet away
>from the basket lmao

50 year-old MJ busted that ass...http://lakernation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/61589-michael-kidd-gilchrist-admits-losing-to-50-year-old-michael-jordan-in-one-on-one/

I'd take Kidd-Gilchrist in Oakland over Barnes anygoddamn day



and even comparing the two is kinda dumb to begin with ... one is playing for a sixth seeded team and the other is in Charlotte lol

>Austin just had the worst NBA season EVER

then, when he sucks again...i'm supposed to be the bigger guy and ignore this, like i been doing most of the year?

they actually partying on me about this shit after i thought this was over for the year. it never even crossed my mind after game 1. i don't watch the first round. now i gotta be petty to make these niggas understand.

D-League.
Role Player.
Maybe one all-star game.

You took it too far in this post, you can't backtrack now, just take the L and keep it moving.

You know I don't even give a shit about UNC pros, but if you made a ton of UNC = Busts post, you gotta expect to take some L's.

and the title of this is in reference to post that said rivers belongs in the d-league.

always a dead giveaway when a post goes cold for MONTHS and then one game changes everything and people start with pleas.

Just remember that some of Barnes' harshest critics were UNC fans when he wasn't the second coming of Christ for us.

Also, I told you, I don't really care about UNC pros.

>Just remember that some of Barnes' harshest critics were UNC
>fans when he wasn't the second coming of Christ for us.

like I said, he was SouthRaleighMan, not this "next LeFavre" that SPM and them were talking about... LOL

if he does end up being that "do it all forward" and an All-Star? Good for him. He'd have finally lived up to the hype.

>and the title of this is in reference to post that said
>rivers belongs in the d-league.
>
>always a dead giveaway when a post goes cold for MONTHS and
>then one game changes everything and people start with pleas.
>



you can almost trace his progression in this thread by looking at my replies from up top

:)

he don't get to be a ROLE player. superstar or BUST.

When Barnes surpasses Klay...Bags is gonna go apeshit

After you pumped him up all these years? LOL youre the master of shitty agendas and lies

he can be a STAR, unlike barnes, but for now, he's a 17ppg ROLE PLAYER.

Harrison Barnes ROLE is starting for a playoff team..and exciting young team...and contributing big time on a stage that Austin Rivers is watching on TV right now..

Awful


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and ignore rebounding and defense


you people need to learn to look at this stuff in context

This team is going to be hell for years to come, and he's going to be a big reason for it.

get used to us


learn our names



you'll be smelling our cologne (barring injury) for YEARS to come

either...

1. y'all so mad barnes not a "star" and i called it.

or...

2. y'all mad klay on his way to being a "star" and i called it.


but the way y'all WAIT for this dude to have a "good" game is comedy to me.

You need to take some time off and focus. Maybe hone your skills on an espn board or something.

i got too many agendas poppin' to keep being worried an upped thread about 9ppg nigga that was said to be the best player of his generation but has been passed SEVERAL times over, including by niggas on his team, niggas in his high school class and niggas entering college THIS FALL.

he scored 26 on 9-26 and i'm supposed to retreat and take an L when MY GUY just put up 34 and 14 and y'all ain't have shit to say...but, i'm SUPPOSED to cow tow to this bullshit performance?

you guys...

y'all taking his lil 16ppg in the postseason and acting like he's a "star"...he'd SOLID...i gave him "SOLID" a long time ago. but, if y'all wanna call him a "star" then i'mma call him a "bust" because he damn sure not a star.

>either...
>
>1. y'all so mad barnes not a "star" and i called it.
>
>or...
>
>2. y'all mad klay on his way to being a "star" and i called
>it.
>
>
>but the way y'all WAIT for this dude to have a "good" game is
>comedy to me.

which is why y'all party so hard when i'm "wrong"...y'all worn out by the sher number of prospects i been right about over the years, including barnes not being a "star"

no one thought klay was shit. but, he is. and y'all hate it. so what i get when he's dropping 20ppg next year and making the AS team?

i have no clue. you tell me how good barnes will be next year.

to being a "star", so if Barnes surpasses him, then what? Abandon ship?

my opinion on klay isn't linked to that dude. however, dudes who want HB to do well ALWAYS shit on klay, because they see him as a threat to barnes being the second option.

moving Klay to 3rd would Barnes be a "star" then?

because i'm saying he's not a second option player in the NBA. klay is tho.

to being the youngest player to ever win the MVP
guaranteeing that the dude with the worst statistical nba season ever was going to be ROY was a close 2nd tho

every player who has ever played for Duke as far as post season performance..

again..and it only took him 1 1/2 series to do it..

think about out??

How from Duke has EVER...Done shit in the NBA postseason???

Who???

Deng?? Boozer?? Magette??? Laetner??? J-Will?? Brand??

what have any of those muthafukkas EVER done in an NBA post-season??

the best they got is Battier last year...

and look...it took him all those years...and all those various teams he been on to finally go somewhere and be a role player and get a ring..

it's crazy Basa but from the time you started this post...until Right today...Harrison Barnes has sonned every player who has ever played for Duke in the circumstance that matters the most in professional basketball..the NBA PLAYOFFS..

I see why you don't have an NBA team...you got to spend so much time coming up with new agendas and shit to avoid talking about these painful facts like this...

http://randomgif.com/gif/Flamethrower.gif

when he pretty much beat the champion heat by himself, dropping about 27ppg to do it?

like, nigga...we all have computers. facts can be backed.

here's a link to the series...

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270427014

you so fuckin butthurt that i shit on barnes that you'd believe old hatin ass COOLIDGE? cause i'm hatin on ONE nigga on your lil team? that's where we at, dogg?

barnes shit don't even outdo what battier did last year...in the title round. damn, you niggas mad.

and i know ALL KINDS OF PLEAS gonna be copped after i just obliterated that dumb shit warren's nasty denim ass said...OR y'all just gonna flat out ignore.

by the way, dogg...you can't act like you don't care about duke-unc or anti-duke shit on this board and that ALWAYS side with duke-hate when the issue pops up on this board. let's just keep it about BARNES since that's what you claim it's about.

is the best postseaon performance in Duke history then it's sorta proving his point, all due respect & what not.

I'm not really in this, in fact I'd skew more towards Duke than Bruins but surely there must be better than to take it back to Luol Deng being the best player in a first-round victory over the Miami Mail-in.

but, the expectations are so low for barnes, you niggas are buying this stupid shit. it's ridiculous. booz going home and barnes going home...round two.

i ain't have to take it back to deng...warren took it back...he said brand and laettner...ALL THAT...and niggas talkin some damn "ether" like it's true. oh, but i can't bring up how dominant deng was in 2007, same age barnes is now.

you know what i find fascinating. i can never get a definitive HOW GOOD WILL BARNES BE answer from muhfuckas who just HAVE to defend him, but they love to cyse it whenever he drops 15 or more.

and you plea copped, talking about shaq's fat and happy team...like that lessens what deng did.

stiff hips being guarded by midgets and gettin 20 points on 20 shots and it's party time.

damn, duke-hate is so fuckin powerful.

Boozer from further consideration...

plus Boozer's numbers in this post season are inflated due to all the injuries Chicago has...

but even still his performance hasn't been as solid in this posteason as Joakim who is playing hurt and still whoo ridin..\\

you low balling Harrison like someone who isn't watching the games....if you watching the games and seeing the defense and the big shots this kid is taking...even your bitter hatin ass would give the guy props...

nm

here's what Kyrie Irving is guarding right now..

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Kyrie-Irving-Groupies.jpeg

balls...

gotcha...

When Otto sucks, Kryie stays winning 2 games a season, and Barnes keeps hooping along with his superior UNC brethren

since it would get that wrapped up with stuff we're actually watching rather than going back six years to a first-round series nobody remembers.

I ain't saying anything about Barnes, I'm just saying if 2007 Deng is in the top slot for all-time Duke playoff performances than that means for whatever reasons there hasn't been many good ones.

that's the problem. you think if that fuckin BUM mbah moute averages 12ppg for the NBA champs, hitting clutch fuckin threes and playing lockdown D that this instigating creased nasty thick-jeaned bitch nigga wouldn't have cysed the fuck out of it and made us all reconize how essential he was.

but, because i CHOSE to forgo cysing batty's postseason perfermance last year---because as i've stated numerous times, talking shit about TEAM success is going too far down the rabbit hole for me and it's stupid---we gonna act like he ain't fuckin ball his ass off and wasn't ESSENTIAL to the heat's run?

duke-hate, man...i'm tellin y'all...you niggas don't even know you're doing it. it's that strong.

>that's the problem. you think if that fuckin BUM mbah moute
>averages 12ppg for the NBA champs, hitting clutch fuckin
>threes and playing lockdown D that this instigating creased
>nasty thick-jeaned bitch nigga wouldn't have cysed the fuck
>out of it and made us all reconize how essential he was.

we expect what we've been getting...NOTHING.... postseason?? Nothing..

if anything people expect more from the Tar Heel alums because those guys have actually done something in the NBA playoffs.... Jordan...Worthy....Kenny Smith....lolol...

people expect Duke players to be over hyped and flop because that's what they been doing.... every now and then someone comes a long and does something...but it's a lot of injuries and dissapointments more than actual success related to Duke players..


in fact..

Who is Duke's all time player in the NBA..

well...the guy who probably is has a career that is more known for injury dissapointments then actually doing big shit in the NBA...

Why in the fukk would people expect more from Duke players when they don't have any players that are ranked among the top players of all time???

Why would people expect more from Duke playrs when there are no historic playoff narratives that invloves a Blue Devil making history in the postseason??

Not a one??


the shit is an overblown myth with nothing to back that myth up beyond some college basketball success..

and that's fine..

But this is May...not April...

it's Grown man time....




>
>but, because i CHOSE to forgo cysing batty's postseason
>perfermance last year---because as i've stated numerous times,
>talking shit about TEAM success is going too far down the
>rabbit hole for me and it's stupid---we gonna act like he
>ain't fuckin ball his ass off and wasn't ESSENTIAL to the
>heat's run?

So Deng in 97 and Battier last year is the best yall got???

lololol...

nigga log off....


>duke-hate, man...i'm tellin y'all...you niggas don't even know
>you're doing it. it's that strong.

I'm kickin facts..

Your greatest player in Duke history is known more for his ankle and feet being fukked up and the fact he speaks well...

it's NBA BASKETBALL TIME...

y'all ain'g got shit..

that ain't Duke Hate...

That's the manifestation of reality....

no one cares about these filtered out ass criteria you keep throwing around.

you've had a cute lil run with russ, love and jrue, but y'all ain't too far removed from the days of the 90s drought, when y'all ain't produce shit worth mentioning between reggie in 87 and baron 99.

meanwhile, y'all won't be producing nothing worthwhile for a grip. do figure out what tyler lamb's bum ass doing.

>no one cares about these filtered out ass criteria you keep
>throwing around.


filtered???

I'm asking who y'all best players ever are???

1________
2________
3________
4________
5________

Name em nigga....

fill in the blanks...

whoever the fukk you put in them 5 spots ain't nair one of them ever did shit in the NBA postseason...

filter that...

hell in a couple of years Witchita State's 5 best players ever will have done more than Dukes...just need a couple guys to join Xavier McDaniel, Cliff Levingston, and Antoine Carr...

lol..

ya'll ain't shit in the NBA..

when it's grown man Time???? Ain't a dukie around...



>
>you've had a cute lil run with russ, love and jrue, but y'all
>ain't too far removed from the days of the 90s drought, when
>y'all ain't produce shit worth mentioning between reggie in 87
>and baron 99.

cute run...we the greatest College Basketball institution of all time.... Greatest Coach ever.....greatest College Basketball player ever.... guys that actually accomplished shit in the NBA...




>meanwhile, y'all won't be producing nothing worthwhile for a
>grip. do figure out what tyler lamb's bum ass doing.

lol...

Shabazz??? Lottery...

Jordan Adams??? Lottery...

Kyle Anderson??? Lottery...


the fukk out of here...

you talk about ME bringing up old shit. y'all ain't done SHIT in nearly 20 years

K still coaching...out history still being written. we new money.

into the NBA hall of fame...

ain't a Dukie you can rank ahead of either on the all time player list....

Even when we lose we win...lol.

dude.... wat

nah coolidge is right: duke pros face ZERO expectations.

i mean, for god's sake, shane battier was the national player of the year. won the naismith and the wooden. redick too. both those guys were lottery picks. and still, absolutely no one expected them to be stars. ppl thought they'd be at best what they actually turned out to be, which is very very very good role players. both those guys had perfectly fine careers. absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. I still think redick will be a valuable contributor on a contender at some point. no one really talks abt them as "busts".

yet if barnes, who ain't won no fucking Naismith or anything, were to have a batty/jj type career, ppl would def call him a bust (you've said so multiple times yourself - that nigga don't get to just be solid, he gotta be a STAR, etc) and that's because NC dudes get held to a higher standard.

worthy, mcadoo, jordan, stack, sheed, vince

HOFers, champions, multiple time all stars, scoring titles, etc

dukies don't get held to that standard because, quite frankly, they've given no real reason to.

and i'm no duke hater at all btw, a lot of my faves are dukies (g hill, shane, luol, kyrie) and i almost went there.

>yet if barnes, who ain't won no fucking Naismith or anything,
>were to have a batty/jj type career, ppl would def call him a
>bust (you've said so multiple times yourself - that nigga
>don't get to just be solid, he gotta be a STAR, etc) and
>that's because NC dudes get held to a higher standard.

>worthy, mcadoo, jordan, stack, sheed, vince
>
>HOFers, champions, multiple time all stars, scoring titles,
>etc

nigga, the names you just rattled off...all them 40 and 50 year-old muhfuckas are the REASON unc pros since 1998 haven't been correctly called BUSTS...tyler hanstravel is fucking garbage. he gets the pass of all passes. people still talkin that psycho T nickname shit like he GOOD! his nickname need to be BUM ASS TYLER.


>dukies don't get held to that standard because, quite frankly,
>they've given no real reason to.

boozer was a second round pick and has been a multiple all-star and he gets shit on by niggas on this board more than felton, hanstravel, ellington, barnes...and all these wack ass unc LOTTERY PICKS that get PASSES...so, please, PLEASE, stop with this fucking bullshit, dude.

musty jock from the Buffalo Braves days..

none..

nobody that has worn a Duke uniform has been anywhere close the player he was.

and you could go down the line with that...


Y'all ain't had nobody..

so nobody has high expectations..

you claiming that there are these high expectations and thus Duke players are viewed fairly is complete bullshit....it's fantasy..and anyone who even knows a little about college and pro basketball knows that shit..

nobody expected Battier to be a star....nobody expected Boozer to be a star..hell didn't Boozer fall to the 2nd round of the draft after being projected a lottery pick the year before..

how you gonna expect shit from someone who falls that far off before their first nba game??

lol....he was a 2nd round pick..

Trajan Langdon isn't looked at as a bust as much as he's just demonstrative for so many other players who were hyped out of high school ....more hyped because they chose Duke....who really wasn't all that great a player...

Austin Rivers is 2012's Trajan Langdan...

only person with high expectations of those cats are Duke fans who know they have been able to stick they chest out about a Dookie doing shit in the NBA only last year with an often injured Kyrie....since fukkin Elton Brand and the clippers made the playoffs...lolol....

y'all players just don't have the goods for grown man basketball..... they just don't.

and Coach K been there for ever.. I mean he wasn't the coach when Jack Givens scorched Duke for 40 in the championship game.......but he got there shortly after that...

and you still can't name his top 5 players ever because you know ima clown they lack of NBA playoff grown man time accomplishments..

you talking about cartoons when Love Boat and Fantasy Island are on my nigga....lolol...

Jordan Adams....Norman Powell...Kyle Anderson....Zach Lavine..

and I guy leaving crop of guards and wings going to the lottery..


We got guys ballin in the NBA...you don't....period.

I just don't care now. I can't be responsible for what comes out of that program.

You better holla at KCPlayer or on of them cats.

I almost choked on my water.

are pretty much daring Barnes to score. They put pg's on him consistently and he still needs to put up damn near 30 shots to have a good game. His footwork stinks. But I will say he's playin better defense.

Ok. Cause if you watched, Barnes still struggled at times...against Neal and Parker! Two point guards guarding a dude 6'8 in the post! Smh.

on both ends of the court he's killin it..

just hit another fade away..


Harrison Barnes in 2 playoff series has surpassed any Duke players performance over the last 2 decades...


it's grown man basketball time..... and he's all shine....

http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/harrison-barnes-named-2012-13-nba-all-rookie-first-team

i think i'd still prefer MKG anyway

They're probably surprised when they found who their coach was too.

lol

........in consecutive playoff games after never scoring 25 in any regular season or postseason game in his career.

no, about that ibaka/harden thread...

>no, about that ibaka/harden thread...

what about it?

AND-0

you just mad.

they took the defender over the bench scorer and got a league leader in blocks and 1st team all defender out of it and didn't miss harden 1 bit offensively
hardens deficiencies on defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibeka's deficiencies on offense
all that other shit is niggas trying to manufacturer a W bad as shit bwhahahahah

they not gettin another harden...EVER.

so, it's an L.

damn, you mad.

and give 12-15 a night *shrug*
and that's assuming they don't get better draft position when the ping pongs bounce
and they don't need a nigga taking 20+ shots to get 25 pts anyway
they already got two niggas that do that BETTER
what they wouldn't have is any interior defense if they dumped ibeka
it's just a dumb reactionary argument really
but like i said niggas trying manufactures Ws

you've proven over the years to be a TERRIBLE talent evaluator, so the fact that you offered this up ain't even a big deal. the rest of your rant if fulla lies and stupidity tho.

take an L, dude. you cysed ibaka over harden. just move on to the next thing.

>and give 12-15 a night *shrug*
>and that's assuming they don't get better draft position when
>the ping pongs bounce
>and they don't need a nigga taking 20+ shots to get 25 pts
>anyway
>they already got two niggas that do that BETTER
>what they wouldn't have is any interior defense if they dumped
>ibeka
>it's just a dumb reactionary argument really
>but like i said niggas trying manufactures Ws
>

lol @ talent evaluation
the narrative already been cemented around u dawg
u throw darts at a wall and wait for some of them to stick
that's why u run around 24/7 talking bout the shit begging niggas to care
cause u get NO CREDIT for anything u get right
that legacy of being loud and wrong too entrenched in niggas mind, smh
ya dumb nigga

this season without Harden.

And like I said before, Harden wanted to leave, he wanted his own team and he got it.

simply pick who ever scores the most points
on some give gilbert arenas $100 million dollars shit
same niggas constantly talking about harden in every thread the same dudes wondering what better superstar morey can get so the team ain't ass going forward
shit chess not checkers
score your streaky ass 25 pts be ass on defense and FOH

y'all wrong.

and you in for the long haul with barnes. you can't scavenger a "win" for one season and then drift off as usual. he's your guy. all 9ppg and 4rpg of him. and it won't be more than 14 and 5 next year. he a "star" tho.

half of ibeka game is way better
half of harden game is way better
difference is ibeka shown signs of developing offensively
harden is a fucking full fledged DH
he a carmelo that get to the line more basically

barnes already better than MKG and rivers
theoretically ALL them niggas gon keep developing
barnes had the higher ceiling going in and he got the higher ceiling now
what's scaring yall niggas so much is barnes is showing signs like a muhfucker in this series
LAST thing yall need is barnes getting confidence

he's a role player.

him going, as you say, M.I.A., wouldn't be as bad if Steph wasn't hobbled and taken out of his game ... Klay had a poor shooting series against Denver, but we lived with it becuase of the defense he brings.


I think people really underestimate the importance his defense brings to this team. That pretty jumper of his can be distracting i guess



Mark Jackson values Klay's defensive contributions as much, if not more, than what he can do offensively. Warrior teams from the era of the Steph and Monta Ellis backcourt remember us getting killed night in and night out by bigger guards... hell, smaller guards too

Or is this just some anti Bags shit?


I mean, Barnes has been playing pretty well. But anyone watching him and seeing a future star has some explaining to do.

I guess some of us just aren't that moved by a guy backing down someone a half foot shorter, hitting a few wide open jumpers and shooting 44% in the process. He'll be good, but wasn't he supposed to be GREAT? He's getting almost no attention from the Spurs defense and is shooting a high volume and scoring a bit. Pop has made it perfectly clear with his assignments he wants Barnes taking 20 shots a game...hmm wonder why.


Nothing about the way he is scoring/playing suggests the future star he was hyped to be, but I'm open to arguments otherwise. Maybe I'm missing something.

he's a role player and these dudes KNOW he's gonna be a role player and he's a low-risk/high reward anti-agenda agenda. it's wack as hell.

since 2010, my thing with barnes has been...

1. he not the best player from his high school class. it's kyrie. i said that when they was partying after he chose UNC.

2. he will NEVER be a "star"...meaning multiple all-star games, all-nba...none of the stuff he was predicted to be.

3. he not better than MKG

his lil 17ppg playoff BREAKOUT performance? it's cute...nothing more.

this post would still be buried.


But yeah, I see it. Agreed on all points, especially the MKG shit.

because you THOUGHT he was going to Duke and when he chose UNC you reversed field and have been trying to shit on the dude ever since, it's all pretty funny to me.

The dude has a NBA skillset and he's not a knucklehead so he's going to work hard and get BETTER. Deal with it.

I am still waiting for that Pelican playoff run...

Barnes is playing his ass off trying to win.

He isn't the first scoring option, nor the second, and with Lee back not even the third...


but he balling


nothing more nothing less

Ya'll dudes get hype off the weirdest shit.

You watching the games, right? You see how many easy ass looks he's getting, right? You understand Pop wants him to score 20+ on 44%, taking shots away from Steph and Klay, right?

RIGHT??

man shut yo pussy ass up
this nigga said Barnes was DLeague status
and the nigga made ALL-Rookie 1st Team. Thats an L.
Barnes ballin in the playoffs were it matters. Another L.
all them other rookie niggas at home watchin him. Another L.
his playoff #s better than his regular season #s. Another L.
and why you tryna throw salt cuz Parker is guarding him
he was ballin in the Nuggetts series when he hadda play the 4.
so of course niggas gonna up this post and clown
thats karma ho

come off the bench in tel aviv ...

NOBODY expects Duke players to be stars..

NOBODY...

too bad mbah moute and the rest of your non-russlovejrue SCRUBS can't hook up with a HOFers and get a ring.

don't be mad.

and batty gettin ANOTHER one next year.

and when he does...i still won't care. but, i'll have it in my back pocket. GOOD!

even minimal helped his team win a title??

that's just sad..


Jordan Farmar got a championship ring too....

Didn't realize Barnes was so slob-worthy. And yet, look at the train.


Now officially corniest agenda on the boards, congrats.

shut up nigga

after the Warriors get bounced from the playoffs and into next season.

because I think this kid could eventually be the Warrior's 2nd-3rd option going into the next few seasons


his progression from post-all star break til now has been rapid.. it's the kind of leap in such a short time a star in this league makes

i remember he made it up as far as 11 powerful ppg and this thread and others were UPPED CONSTANTLY...then he dipped. finished at 9 and 4. y'all been on getback since.

but yeah...stick with him. 2nd option is unlikely and 3rd option ain't a W.

he gotta be a SUPERSTAR.

Don't really care if Barnes contributes as the #1, #3, or #6 option, as long as he's contributing. That's what I love about this team: there's like 7-8 players I can look at and be like, "Damn, we wouldn't have gotten this far if it wasn't for ____." That puts a smile on my face.

y'all know i'mma criticize and clown him because UNC fans were partying because they thought he was gonna be a STAR...a transcendent player. him being a very solid role player and contributor on a good team is good for Y'ALL...and it's good for me. i WANT him to be a SOLID role player, because it proves my point.

Which is why I never responded to any of the stuff you say about Barnes in this thread. I said it in some other post: you're issue with UNC players is well known, long-standing, and consistent, so I can't really have beef with it. But I'll support dude regardless as long as he's helping the team, in whatever form that may be.

I can't speak for Armritsar, because he's grown and can speak for himself. I'm just happy we got a whole boat-load of young building-blocks, some of whom will be stars, and some of whom will be role-players. I don't care which are which, as long as we're back in the play-offs and have a shot at being contenders.

kinda new to oks ... i see a post in early-mid season about one of my warriors, so i came in ready to defend


didn't realize there would be a whole host of idiots who would take this post and run with it, people who have probably been having these stpid arguments with you for years lol ... people who probably took the wrong side of an agenda against you in the past and are chomping at the bit



my participation in the post now is just for fun man. as i said to you earlier, the boards would probably be less entertaining without agenda posts.


And i don't really get a chance to talk much Warriors hoops on the boards so there's that as well

Most of us hated on him after his performance at UNC. FOH with your lies.

Point out ONE UNC cat saying Barnes was gonna be an NBA star 1-2 years ago...I'll wait...

so, you can go somewhere with your OKP search function challenge.

partly because he hadnt found his role.

but i read somewhere (maybe IC) that mark jackson said barnes was out of shape and didnt understand scheme or none of that shit at first.

so imma give mark jackson a lot of credit for getting him on track. im glad to see him balling.

he gotta earn a max deal first?

i answered. now you.

Posts like this. Terrible.

willis reed...lolol.

Basa...you will NEVER live this down...lol..

even before coming back tonight ... he just looks like the kind of guy you'd want to get into a bar fight with

had the season...and more so the playoffs this kid has had...I would gladly microwave the crow and give the kid his props..

I don't give a fukk if he played for Duke or whomever..

I would do that because I know and respect the fukkin game of basketball and seeing a young player come into his own after being fronted on and called a bust...that's just great to see regardless of who he is or what team he plays for...

and the fact that you won't do that shows that your basketball acumen doesn't rise above bitchmade Duke homer-ism and non-sense agendas to hide the failure of dookies..


Harrison Barnes is a G..and it's great to see.

respect basketball enough to belatedly give duke credit for the 2010 title and offer up something resembling "congrats".

but you can't do that. because you stay mad.

again...

after cried when he picked UNC....you shat on the guy for years..

it's May and He ballin in the playoffs..

Austin Rivers will be a D-League all-star in 2 years...

another non-star for UNC. you mad?

that's 9 points and 4 rebounds.

best player of his generation.

next kobe

next melo

next mac

next hill


then, he was exposed at UNC and we got...

next granger

next deng

next gay

then, he got exposed in the NBA and we got...

"he's a good young player and he's improving"

"at least he ain't in the d-league"

i'm actually happy with the way this thread turned out. all y'all niggas who cysed him...or even SUPPORTED him...he y'all's now.

and he gotta be a STAR.

...he played 71 games

Next Jordan my ass...

He won't even be the next Harold Miner...

Kobe should be in the CBA


Roleplayer

know why?
cuz the ship be sinking.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
you want this dude to fail so hard
BUT NOPE! HE GOOD! BLESSETH BE!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
"but but he averages 9pts & 4rebs"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
he sure did and all it got him was all-rookie honors
and he earned it as the 4th scoring option.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
so now he has to be a STAR?
WELL hows he gonna be a STAR when draymond GREEN is gonna take his spot
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
why not just say the nigga has to be a 1st ballot hall of famer
since you keep moving the goal post.

"what a silly negro"

disqualify yourself from speaking on the issue..

the only busts you should be speaking on is Austin Rivers...former #1 player out of high school being on the fast track to the D-League..

other than that Harrison Barnes playoffs made you look like a fool....

(min. 10 games) since Admiral in '90

HAHAHAAH YOU MAD!!!!!!!

It's funny that NO Carolina fan cares about Harrison, yet you stay in here stupid mad on some gay Dookie agenda shit to keep shitting on somebody who already has a better career than 95% of Dook's last 500 pros.

You keep shifting goal posts for your stupid gayass agendas that are always wrong...and you probably think you are in some anti-Dook battle with Carolina fans when the truth is you are in here getting flambeed by Warrior fans and Harrison on a nightly basis taking more L's.

Dook sucks Austin sucks Kyrie a scrubby ass gunner BE MAD

Take your L bitch

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u371/sako751sg/imgur_gallery_hZSfl_Its_Time_to_Stop_Posting.jpg

>It's funny that NO Carolina fan cares about Harrison, yet you
>stay in here stupid mad on some gay Dookie agenda shit to keep
>shitting on somebody who already has a better career than 95%
>of Dook's last 500 pros.
>

Truly remarkable the lengths you guys go with this shit. The most hyped 9 pts and 4 reb season ever.

9 and 4!! No wonder Bags goes so hard...you guys clearly have issues.


Oh btw, Austin Rivers final 16 games (25% of his season):

7 PPG - 2 APG - 2 RPG
FG % - 49.5%
3PT % - 42.3%

Now, we can talk rationally about Rivers turning the corner late in his season much as Barnes did. Or you can continue to kick and scream about 9 and 4 being the best rookie season of all time, ignoring what actually happened on the court.

Harrison Barnes ball out in the playoffs..

it's not "much like"...more like "Nothing like"

Not sure I should engage with you, but I'll try.


You wanna hate on Rivers? Fine, he had a difficult season. But the last 1/4 of his season he clearly turned the corner. The stats show it, and those of us who actually watched him saw it.

Barnes played well while being guarded by Parker and dared to take tons of shots, congrats to him. I have no hate for the guy. But this post is a clusterfuck of emotional responses, very few of which are tied to the reality of what Barnes actually did this year.


I love how Barnes is given credit for playing on a playoff team SURROUNDED with talent, while Rivers is being shat on for playing on a super young, bad lotto team.

You understand why it was easier for Barnes to succeed than any other lotto pick right? And 9 and 4 in THAT situation is what we are throwing parties for?

in reality, no one cares about dude and his 'good' last 1/4 of the season.


Barnes, 16/6 as a rookie in the 'offs. Last player to do that? The Admiral. C'mon. Y'all realize this also includes the Nuggets series when he was playing the 4 right? I doubt y'all watched any games because it's more than the numbers show. "BUT BUT BUT 9/4 in dey season?!?!?" FOH.


This is not a proclamation that he will be HOF-level. This is merely a fact that Basa has been served an insurmountable L for saying he should be in the D-League. This was an egregious error, especially when his guy is MUCH closer to playing in the D-League. You seem pressed to inherit this L. For why? I guess because you feel the need to defend Austin. He's irrelevant and The Pelicans is a shitty team name.


Y'all keep moving goalposts, which is making this worse. Also...u mad.

Rational? Pumping 7/2/2 is not rational. As crazy as Warren might sound at least he's right on the following points:

A) UCLA players are hooping
B) Harrison hooped in the offs
C) Dook players have no expectations in the pros
D) Rivers sucks
E) You mad
F) Basa really mad


Stay mad my friends!!

does harrison barnes belong in the d league? no.

was austin rivers rookie of the year? no.

pretty clear cut, open-and-shut L for ba here. *that's* the reason niggas are partying on him. not sure why you're doing all this pro bono defense work for him tho.

>does harrison barnes belong in the d league? no.
>
>was austin rivers rookie of the year? no.
>
>pretty clear cut, open-and-shut L for ba here. *that's* the
>reason niggas are partying on him. not sure why you're doing
>all this pro bono defense work for him tho.

this barnes shit needs to be contextualized. i made this thread because he sucked ass for nearly two months straight, highlighted by a ZERO point outing. these niggas was cysed when he had a few nice games to start his career and started coming at me like he was gonna be a STAR.

i've never wavered about the STAR stuff. that is the ISSUE. to try to flip a facetious subject line around as the ISSUE is bullshit. so, now it's like him not being a d-leaguer is a W and the futhur he progresses BEYOND d-league status is a W...so, he can stop 15 and 6 next year, which i predicted THIS YEAR and niggas gonna act like it's "GOOD"...it's SOLID...it's not star shit...it's SOLID.

he got be so much more than solid based on expectations and the shit that was talked BEFORE he got to the L. he was the next great player. he was AT LEAST the best player of his class. he's neither.

the best player of the 2010 HS class was predicted to be SOLID, MO WILLIAMS, ANDRE MILLER TYPE SOLID, by the same dumb fucks on this board coppin pleas for Stiff Hips not being a STAR.

so, as long as we keep shit in CONTEXT moving forward, i'm good.

>this barnes shit needs to be contextualized. i made this
>thread because he sucked ass for nearly two months straight,
>highlighted by a ZERO point outing. these niggas was cysed
>when he had a few nice games to start his career and started
>coming at me like he was gonna be a STAR.

Who are these people? I'll wait a year for a response



>the best player of the 2010 HS class was predicted to be
>SOLID, MO WILLIAMS, ANDRE MILLER TYPE SOLID, by the same dumb
>fucks on this board coppin pleas for Stiff Hips not being a
>STAR.


What about Austin, the best player of 2011? L O LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

ain't...

that's the only context that matters..

when it grown man basketball time....you ain't got shit to talk about because dookies are either not in the playoffs..or ain't doing shit in the playoffs..

so, there's that.

and you have nothing as good as jabari on your roster or in the pipeline.

your players so fuckin bad that uppin that stupid ass thread about LDIII being a first rounder ain't even worth my fuckin time. no one will even fry you over that shit because everyone knows y'all don't produce shit and that you're an idiot.

Harrison Barnes made the right choice picking UNC over Duke because the guy has a future in the NBA ...and in recent times....with like 1 exception...Duke players ain't doing shit in the league....

when your greatest ever post season performance by a Duke player a journeyman role player like Battier knocking down some wide open 3s...when THAT is your greatest post season performance ever...you got major problems..

decent college program....flops, failures and minimal contributions when it comes to Grown Man Basketball time....

ain't nobody worried about Jarobi becasue he could end up like Rivers..or he could end up kyrie....it's 50/50...ain't shit for sure when it comes to duke players in the nba other than the likelyhood of dissapointment....

Shabazz will be a lottery pick...and Jordan Adams gonna be even better....hopefully he'll stay at UCLA though because his mother had a stroke last week and it's doing well....but if you watched any Jordan Adams last year...he's a good a pure scorer as there is in college and a top notch defender..

the bruins have a recent standard for NBA success....coach k been at duke like 30 years and y'all are still looking for some consistency on that next level...

so, all that shit you typed is moot.

Jordan Adams is a chubby undersized shooter. Who gives a fuck about him?

Barnes has damaged UNC's recruiting in recent years. That is a matter of record, as several GMs, scouts and analysts, including Ford and Telep, have said so. They have missed on several high profile recruits since landing Stiff Hips. That's his legacy.

try and stomp with the big dogs....

LOL are you really cysing 7/2/2??

DO you realize NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY who is a UNC fan thought much of Barnes coming out, and nobody cysed him during the season...


all the "emotional" shit in this post is due to Basa moving goal posts like a bitch and all Barnes haters like you scrambling to come up with excuses for why he played so well while Kyrie and your crush Austin were on the couch watching

you have nothing in the NBA or in the pipeline EVEN CLOSE.

...Duke does tho. And Jabari and Rodney better than anything you have in the pipeline or NBA too.

But me pointing out Rivers marked improvement is off limits.

LOLOLOL.


This place is a fucking trip.

Point out ONE post in here where I cysed Barnes before the playoffs...







DUMB MAD FUCK

But do you and keep making up stories playboy. The L is all yours

And decided to be a winner instead

he just another nigga y'all try to convince people is a star...like lawson or felton.

Just sit there and cyse his occasional jumper on a contender like you do with Danny Green bum ass.

All this shit about arbitrary rookie stats is pathetic. The nigga the first rookie to average 16 while looking and sounding like a young Sidney Poitier, too. Who cares?

The subject line was a direct response to a similar line about Rivers. Now it is somehow being used as a FUCKING BASELINE EXPECTATION for Barnes' career trajectory. Somehow me asking if a nigga who was hailed at the next KoMacGraMelo is gonna be an all-star is UNFAIR and moving goalposts.

I mad the thread because niggas shut about about this stiffed-hip Juwan Howard type handle nigga for about 6 weeks because he wasn't doing shit against actual NBA 3 men. So he hit a few Js over guards. CONGRATS!

FOH

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dude was abusing Reggie Jackson

teams are going to have difficult time guarding Steph and Klay

and not have mismatch vs Barnes like last night

if you'd read, you'd see that.

The agenda battles have been the only reason I follow players like Barnes from time to time since I've kind of fell out of the college game over the last few years...

But dude looked pretty damn good last night...

But didn't u originally say that dude was a scrub? That he was D-League material?

At this point, if dude averages 14-16 points the rest of his career off the bench that is far from scrub material...And if he continues to show and prove in the playoffs (he seems to get busy in the 'offs in terms...that's what impresses me the most about him...He knows he strengths and get on with it...) that will be more ether in whatever agenda war u got brewing...

I think u aimed too high...Instead of claiming dude was a scrub you should have said he would never been an All-Star and leave it at that...

Because the player I'm watching is not D-League material...At all...In fact, he's pretty good...

>
>But didn't u originally say that dude was a scrub? That he was
>D-League material?
>
>At this point, if dude averages 14-16 points the rest of his
>career off the bench that is far from scrub material.

NO. just no.

ESPECIALLY from YOU, when I have seen you SEVERAL times support the idea that severeal Duke players have been disappointments in relation to their pre-NBA hype.

nah...he gotta be a STAR. and he damn sure SHOULDN'T be coming off the bench.

dudes IN THIS THREAD were going in on Klay, saying that Barnes was better, and now he he on the bench?

Nah...star.

>>
>>But didn't u originally say that dude was a scrub? That he
>was
>>D-League material?
>>
>>At this point, if dude averages 14-16 points the rest of his
>>career off the bench that is far from scrub material.
>
>NO. just no.
>
>ESPECIALLY from YOU, when I have seen you SEVERAL times
>support the idea that severeal Duke players have been
>disappointments in relation to their pre-NBA hype.


Let's roll it back here...My Duke commentary has always been limited to the MAMMOTH hype their players get while in college...For as good as Barnes was at UNC he was rarely deemed as the BEST player in college...He didn't win college player of the year...In fact, he was not even a top 5 pick...He was not even a no. 1 pick...

The reason I criticized SOME Duke players is because usually these players were usually deemed as the best in college...From Christian to Bat-Man...

I think the kid is doing what he's supposed to do given the team he's on.....He's not playing for Toronto where he can get 25 shots a game...


>nah...he gotta be a STAR. and he damn sure SHOULDN'T be coming
>off the bench.


Nah...If he continues to produce double figures off the bench AND do work in the playoffs he will be fine...
>dudes IN THIS THREAD were going in on Klay, saying that Barnes
>was better, and now he he on the bench?
>
>Nah...star.

The Klay thing? Not part of that...It's obvious that people were wrong...But that doesn't mean u r not wrong about Barnes...


Star is relative isn't it? What if dude becomes a sixth man award winning killer who does work on the bench? What if Barnes contributes to a team that gets over the hump and makes that WC Finals?

He may not be a franchise player...But he can certainly be a star beyond being some role player who just camps out shooting 3's and flops...

Like I said, he's not D-League worthy...And he is certainly contributing something to that already stacked GS team...

He's good...

you can't say Barnes didn't have massive hype. They literally named him one of the best college basketball players in america before he had played a single college game. he was the first player that ever happened to. you literally can't GET more hype than that.

>you can't say Barnes didn't have massive hype. They literally
>named him one of the best college basketball players in
>america before he had played a single college game. he was the
>first player that ever happened to. you literally can't GET
>more hype than that.

Did he win College Player of The Year? Was he a top 3 pick? Hell, a top 6 draft pick?

That to me is where I'm getting at...That's the only hype that matters, right?

Got it.

Cool

meanwhile, christian laettner wasn't hyped AT ALL coming outta high school and wasn't predicted to be a HOF NBA player either. but, SOMEHOW, murph has convinced himself that laettner was a "disappointment"

yeah, i'm frying barnes. he better be a star.

be cause a parade.

And Luol was the 7th pick too. So the fact he's even a start should cause a Made for TV Movie.

In high school, if your name ain't Bron, Moses, or KG?



Yeah...I am...

Because I know how much hype can surround heralded high school players/Micky D. All-Americans, ect...

Hell, coming up in the Midwest I've seen that story A LOT (Marcus Liberty, man...)

Barnes was a great high school player who turned out to be a damn "good" college player...If he was "great" he would have been a top 3-5 pick...

So yeah...I pay little attention to what someone does in high school unless they are a once in a lifetime talent that can step out on the NBA their first year...Beyond that, show and prove in college and make that Pro jump...

Because in high school a lot of players play blue chip, can't-miss beastly like ball...

seeing as how Parker goes to Duke, if he turned out to not be the beast that he was touted as in high school, and went on to be the 7th pick after his soph year and became a role player - would OKS let that slide, or would Duke/Duke fans get roasted?

Not matter what Murph says, we know what he and others would say if Jabari isn't a star, no matter where he goes in the draft whenever he comes out.

I don't even like Duke, but there's a lot of bullshit in this post.

you could have at least said top 3 and kept some integrity.

Nah...But I am one of the main dudes that stuck up for Grant Hill on this site...My biggest squabbles with you have been Rose/Boozer related...Other than that, there's not much we disagree on...Basically, u gotta turn this one down Basa...

No matter how u try to frame my past criticism of Boozer, I'm not a Dukie hater...At all...If you talked to young Murph back in the early to mid '90s then u would be on to something...But I'm so far removed from regular season college ball that its not even funny...Maybe things would be different if Depaul or Illinois was better...But that's another post...

What I am is a dude that looks at facts...

Fact: Grant Hill should go down as one of the greatest all around NBA talents of all time if not for that injury bug...And he should be in the BB Hall of Fame regardless because of his college/international/NBA career...

Fact: I've warmed up to Deng, 4-5 years ago...I have not warmed up to Boozer yet, but I know that man is far from a scrub...In fact he's a good player...May issue with dude has always been with dude in the big spots for the Bulls...That's all...

Fact: All world Duke big men beyond Brand/Boozer have fit into two categories lackluster (Christian L.) or just plain busts (too many to name...)

Fact: Kyrie is indeed worth the hype and will be a top 4 PG in the league THISSOON...

Fact: I don't get into the Duke/UNC battles...Beyond being a MJ fan, that's as far as I went...

Fact: Barnes, a no. 7 pick who was a good player in college is doing exactly what he's supposed to do on a team stacked with talent...

>you could have at least said top 3 and kept some integrity.


I think u guys are not understanding me...Whatever college-fueled flag waving u got going on, I'm not a part of that...

I sincerely am looking at what the kid did in college, numbers/impact wise from a non-partial view, not how great he was in high school...That's it...He played well at UNC...But no one ever thought Barnes was the best player in college...But he was good...A NBA, top 10 caliber player...

So when I hear people say he has been disappointing at Golden State that gives me pause as an NBA fan...

If Barnes put up 20 points, 6 rebounds, and 4 assists for a bad team, would he still be disappointing?

That's what I'm getting at...The kid is doing what's needed of him for his team...A team that's already stacked offensively...

So he putting up the occasional 16 points off the bench is not at all surprising given the role he is being asked to knock out...

you either flat out forget the stuff you've said or you are the worst kind of duke-hater: the kind that pretends to be indifferent about duke and its players.


>Let's roll it back here...My Duke commentary has always been
>limited to the MAMMOTH hype their players get while in
>college...For as good as Barnes was at UNC he was rarely
>deemed as the BEST player in college...

exacept he WAS...TWICE...the first year he was named player of the year in preseason by several major outlets. then, most of those people doubled down when he came back for his soph year, figuring he was close to putting it all together after getting adjusted.

He didn't win college
>player of the year...

somehow you see him not winning an award he was predicted to win TWICE as a good thing.

In fact, he was not even a top 5
>pick...He was not even a no. 1 pick...

neither was shane battier. CARLOS BOOZER was a SECOND ROUNDER and has made more all-star teams than stiff hips ever will.

>The reason I criticized SOME Duke players is because usually
>these players were usually deemed as the best in
>college...From Christian to Bat-Man...

christian wasn't the #1 pick, now was he? shane wasn't even top 5. now was he?

like, i DARE you to tell me i'm missing something in how you just contradicted yourself.

>I think the kid is doing what he's supposed to do given the
>team he's on.....He's not playing for Toronto where he can get
>25 shots a game...

he can't create 25 shots a game for himself.

>>nah...he gotta be a STAR. and he damn sure SHOULDN'T be
>coming
>>off the bench.
>
>
>Nah...If he continues to produce double figures off the bench
>AND do work in the playoffs he will be fine...

a fine role player. sure. not a star.


>>dudes IN THIS THREAD were going in on Klay, saying that
>Barnes
>>was better, and now he he on the bench?
>>
>>Nah...star.
>
>The Klay thing? Not part of that...It's obvious that people
>were wrong...But that doesn't mean u r not wrong about
>Barnes...

for me to be "wrong" about barnes, he needs to be a STAR, because i said he has no chance of being one.

>Star is relative isn't it?

no. it's not.

What if dude becomes a sixth man
>award winning killer who does work on the bench? What if
>Barnes contributes to a team that gets over the hump and makes
>that WC Finals?

and? jamal crawford might do that. he's not a star.

>He may not be a franchise player...But he can certainly be a
>star beyond being some role player who just camps out shooting
>3's and flops...

stars are ALL-STARS.

>Like I said, he's not D-League worthy...And he is certainly
>contributing something to that already stacked GS team...

we now he's not d-league worthy. he's also not the NBA's next great player, as he was hyped to be in fall 2010. he's fallen woefully short of that.

>He's good...

he's solid.

>
>you either flat out forget the stuff you've said or you are
>the worst kind of duke-hater: the kind that pretends to be
>indifferent about duke and its players.

This is what I've said about Duke...Their star players during the Christian L., crushing the NCAA era were busts or disappointing...Except Grant/Brand...(I take Bobby H. and Jay Wills off of that "suck" list given their freak injuries...I never clowned those dudes other than thinking they were cornballs...because on the court they were the truth...)...And I've pointed out that other big programs have had better overall Pros...

That's it...

I never shit on Boozer because he was from Duke...I never shit on Deng (those years during the Ben-era and Rose's first two-three years)because he was from Duke...Ect...

So what u have left is a dude that thinks Christian L. sucked and some of the other Dukie bigs sucked...That's it...

Your problem is you want to create some reason why I'm so hard on Boozer...But there's no reason other than when we needed him in the big spots he was usually sitting on the bench...



>>Let's roll it back here...My Duke commentary has always been
>>limited to the MAMMOTH hype their players get while in
>>college...For as good as Barnes was at UNC he was rarely
>>deemed as the BEST player in college...
>
>exacept he WAS...TWICE...the first year he was named player of
>the year in preseason by several major outlets. then, most of
>those people doubled down when he came back for his soph year,
>figuring he was close to putting it all together after getting
>adjusted.

I don't know homie...I just can't say that a player that wasn't even Player of The Year or a top 3 pick or a champion proved to be a GREAT college talent...I know that Barnes was fucking good though...I know that he was a def. top 10 draft pick because he had skills...

I understand how highly touted he was coming out of high school and the hype that followed that first year when people thought he would be even better (I wasn't following him that much, but I would read some articles here and there on Sports Illustrated about preseason rankings...)


>He didn't win college
>>player of the year...
>
>somehow you see him not winning an award he was predicted to
>win TWICE as a good thing.

If predictions was like a fifth, you know the rest...


>In fact, he was not even a top 5
>>pick...He was not even a no. 1 pick...
>
>neither was shane battier. CARLOS BOOZER was a SECOND ROUNDER
>and has made more all-star teams than stiff hips ever will.

Shane and Boozer both had better college careers than Barnes...And Shane ironically was drafted higher than Barnes (by one notch, but still)...And Booser out performed any expectation of him in the pros...I agree with that...


>>The reason I criticized SOME Duke players is because usually
>>these players were usually deemed as the best in
>>college...From Christian to Bat-Man...
>
>christian wasn't the #1 pick, now was he? shane wasn't even
>top 5. now was he?

What have I said?...A top 3-5 pick is usually expected more from...Christian was top 3...Dream Team...All White Boy...Golden Child...Michigan Killer...

And again, Shane was higher by one notch than Barnes in the draft...And given his play in college, sure people expected much more from Bat-Dog...Both Christian and Shane actually won championships...They LED their teams to victories...

Barnes biggest claim to fame in college was being First-team All-ACC...That's it...Now that's damn good...But I don't know if that's as big as leading a team to a Chip r putting up obscene numbers day in and day out...


>like, i DARE you to tell me i'm missing something in how you
>just contradicted yourself.
>
>>I think the kid is doing what he's supposed to do given the
>>team he's on.....He's not playing for Toronto where he can
>get
>>25 shots a game...
>
>he can't create 25 shots a game for himself.
>
>>>nah...he gotta be a STAR. and he damn sure SHOULDN'T be
>>coming
>>>off the bench.
>>
>>
>>Nah...If he continues to produce double figures off the
>bench
>>AND do work in the playoffs he will be fine...
>
>a fine role player. sure. not a star.
>
>
>>>dudes IN THIS THREAD were going in on Klay, saying that
>>Barnes
>>>was better, and now he he on the bench?
>>>
>>>Nah...star.
>>
>>The Klay thing? Not part of that...It's obvious that people
>>were wrong...But that doesn't mean u r not wrong about
>>Barnes...
>
>for me to be "wrong" about barnes, he needs to be a STAR,
>because i said he has no chance of being one.
>
>>Star is relative isn't it?
>
>no. it's not.
>
> What if dude becomes a sixth man
>>award winning killer who does work on the bench? What if
>>Barnes contributes to a team that gets over the hump and
>makes
>>that WC Finals?
>
>and? jamal crawford might do that. he's not a star.
>
>>He may not be a franchise player...But he can certainly be a
>>star beyond being some role player who just camps out
>shooting
>>3's and flops...
>
>stars are ALL-STARS.
>
>>Like I said, he's not D-League worthy...And he is certainly
>>contributing something to that already stacked GS team...
>
>we now he's not d-league worthy. he's also not the NBA's next
>great player, as he was hyped to be in fall 2010. he's fallen
>woefully short of that.

I look at what players actually did in school...As good as Barnes was in college he his high point was leading a team to the elite eighth...No shame in that...But we not talking about an all-world talent in college...

Thus he was drafted accordingly...Maybe if he ended up on a horrible NBA team he would have gotten more playing time as a pro maybe he would put up those numbers u want...Who knows?

All I know is Barnes was getting busy in the playoffs when it mattered...

I think it's going to get really interesting when he starts to get more playing time or is traded...

nigga, GET ALL THE WAY FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!

if YOU don't fuckin follow recruiting and don't know how hyped niggas are, thus allowing you to contextualize what a massive letdown Barnes' development has been...then, murph, with all due respect...please just shut the fuck up.

if you don't understand that he FELL, within 18 months, from the CONSENSUS #1 pick to the 7th pick...SHUT UP, NIGGA!

and every draft isn't the same. battier went 6 in one of the WORST drafts in history, so that says how much success he was predicted to have in the L.

whatever battier EARNED in college on teams with better players, in terms of NBA prospects (booz, j-will, corey, elton) than him, those accolades have NOTHING to do with how he was projected to perform in the NBA.

every year you get players who haven't accomplished shit in college getting taken over upperclass all-americans and NPOY...you'll see it this year when doug mcdermott gets taken after some young dumb niggas that don't even drop 15 a night. your argument holds no fuckin weight, logically. there are contradictions all over the place.

>nigga, GET ALL THE WAY FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!
>
>if YOU don't fuckin follow recruiting and don't know how hyped
>niggas are, thus allowing you to contextualize what a massive
>letdown Barnes' development has been...then, murph, with all
>due respect...please just shut the fuck up.

U not following me Basa...I indeed understand how hyped recruiting is...But I made a very important point previously...Being the best dude in high school unless u r some once in a generation player means little...Because I've seen so many heralded high school players get recruited and show themselves to be shaky at best...

U have to remember where I'm from, Basa...Chicago...We have so many blue chip recruits coming out every year its not even funny...And I do follow those kids at Simeon and in the suburbs...But when you've seen HYPED players like Marcus Liberty become busts in college, then yeah, u begin to have a different perspective about things...





>if you don't understand that he FELL, within 18 months, from
>the CONSENSUS #1 pick to the 7th pick...SHUT UP, NIGGA!

I do...I just care more about showing and proving than hype...


>and every draft isn't the same. battier went 6 in one of the
>WORST drafts in history, so that says how much success he was
>predicted to have in the L.

My point on bringing up Battier was to say that he was among the best college players during his run at Duke...He was a player that actually led his team to a championship...No matter how weak a draft that was, that has to count for something right?


>whatever battier EARNED in college on teams with better
>players, in terms of NBA prospects (booz, j-will, corey,
>elton) than him, those accolades have NOTHING to do with how
>he was projected to perform in the NBA.

Don't jump the gun...Do I believe Battier's career did not measure up to his college run? Yes...Do I believe that Battier was a bust? Nope...He has had a good career considering everything...Got a ring...Became a dependable good role player...The NBA is a hard business to really succeed in...Battier's long career proves that he managed to find his role and work it out..


>every year you get players who haven't accomplished shit in
>college getting taken over upperclass all-americans and
>NPOY...you'll see it this year when doug mcdermott gets taken
>after some young dumb niggas that don't even drop 15 a night.
>your argument holds no fuckin weight, logically. there are
>contradictions all over the place.


I don't have an argument except that Harrison Barnes was a good college player...Nothing more, nothing less...

He was never deemed a bust in college, was he? Did he disappoint a lot of people the way he played in college? Wasn't he All ACC First Team? That's a damn good player, right?

But I'm sure people looked at the fact that such a heralded player coming out of high school could not get pass the elite eighth and did not measure to some of that early hype that stayed with him after his freshman year...

So I guess what I'm saying (and been saying) is when it comes down to Barnes is you have to look at who drafted him...

I will ask u again...Would you say Barnes wasn't a star if he got drafted to a bad team and put up BIG numbers, something we have seen a lot over the years from players? Would it matter to you that dude was putting up 20, 6, 4 in Toronto? Would u still be writing post about him not being a star or being D-League worthy?

That's the question....

so, i'm not disagreeing with your primary point. my primary point is that if a nigga as hyped as barnes had gone to duke and had the exact same career and then went on to be dropping 9 and 4 in the L...oh, hell naw...niggas would be absolutely frying me, longo, dred, rahim...every duke fan on here with something to say. and you'd be one of them. you'd be less vitriolic than most would, but you'd wonder why he ain't pan out the way he was projected.

ain't no denying that, bro. no way.

>so, i'm not disagreeing with your primary point. my primary
>point is that if a nigga as hyped as barnes had gone to duke
>and had the exact same career and then went on to be dropping
>9 and 4 in the L...oh, hell naw...niggas would be absolutely
>frying me, longo, dred, rahim...every duke fan on here with
>something to say. and you'd be one of them. you'd be less
>vitriolic than most would, but you'd wonder why he ain't pan
>out the way he was projected.
>
>ain't no denying that, bro. no way.


I feel u, dog...Good debate....

He didn't actually think Harrison was on some Chris Douglas Roberts shit.

Just not what he was supposed to be.

they gonna hold on to "D-LEAGUE" and try to manufacture a W outta this after this stuff hipped bamma averages 12 and 5 this year.

12 and 5...from the next Melo, Hill, Mac, Kob. 12 and 5.

I'm not sure you actually watch NBA games

but T-Mac and Kobe weren't stars out the gate either

just so you know

losing minutes to Draymond Green (c) You

2 hs'ers who were risks at the time vs. a known commodity that was a pre season 1st team all american as a freshman.

my point is that I'd wait before partying on Barnes

I mean this post was made 2 months into his rookie year

if Ba doesn't think he's improved his game after last year's playoffs

and what he looks like this year

= he's not watching games

12 and 5 year 2 is an L?

OkayPlayer

Austin Rivers will be lucky to get enough minutes to do that in 1 game

>He didn't actually think Harrison was on some Chris Douglas
>Roberts shit.
>
>Just not what he was supposed to be.


But that's just the point...The kid is getting in where he fits in...I think we get too bogged down on hype...With the Splash Brothers there/David Lee doing his thing and now Iggy in the mix there's only so many balls to go around...

I'm impressed that the kid can even drop 16 points with that many offensive options around...

I think he will be alright...Far from a bust like other players that get hyped on this site....He's where he's supposed to be on THIS team...

And that's as a solid role player, and that's not what he was supposed to be coming into college and not what he was supposed to be coming into the NBA.

Has more talent in skills as well, despite going lower in the draft.

The rest is just laughable.

Better outside shooter than MKG? Sure.

Better inside shooter than MKG? Nope.

Better driver than MKG? Nope.

Better ballhandler than MKG? Nope.

Better passer than MKG? Nope.

Better rebounder than MKG? Nope.

Better defender than MKG? Nope.

Yeah....so no.

>Better outside shooter than MKG? Sure.
Much better, from 3 and from mid-range. Huge advantage here.

>Better inside shooter than MKG? Nope.
Not sold that MKG is better here. Barnes has a much better post game than MKG and is a good finisher. MKG might finish with more authority but I think all around Barnes is better from close.

>Better driver than MKG? Nope.
Negligible here, MKG has more freedom to attack because he's on a shit team.
>
>Better ballhandler than MKG? Nope.
I think it's hard to differentiate in this department as well.
>
>Better passer than MKG? Nope.
Neither guy really gets many assists, both are willing to pass but neither really creates much for teammates.
>
>Better rebounder than MKG? Nope.
MKG is much better in this department.

>Better defender than MKG? Nope.
MKG is better but not by much, Barnes has made huge strides and almost completely closed the gap.

Barnes is on a better team which hasn't really allowed him to fully expand his game. MKG is a role player on a team that is too bad to take advantage him, Barnes has a more wide range of talent but has been forced into a limited role because of the talent around him. I liked MKG more going into the draft but I think Barnes has shown more thus far.

Noted.

It's pretty easy for me to recognize this exchange will go nowhere if you're going to deny the fundamental basics.

>And that's as a solid role player, and that's not what he was
>supposed to be coming into college and not what he was
>supposed to be coming into the NBA.


He's a no. 7 pick that happens to be on a stacked team...If you don't think dude could average a meaningless 18-21 points a game on a bad team, that's on u...

Again, I only go by the hype of the draft...And Barnes was not deemed to be the best player of the draft...In fact, there were questions about him...

He's a no. 7 pick that is on the same team of a scoring PG, a SF that can shoot from Japan, a PF that has been a double double dude and SG/SF that needs the ball in his hands to be impactful on O, but also needs to be on the floor for defense...

So where does that leave Barnes? Off the bench getting buckets (if he continues to grow as a player, which he has...)

I can see the kid getting some 6th Man award in the near future...Or I can see him going to a bad team and dropping 20 a game...

Either way, he won't be a bust or a disappointment...At all...

Only in Agendaland...

You can pretend his basketball just started on draft night and expectations only began from that night, but it's not so.

If Andrew Wiggins doesn't enter the draft. Then goes 7th the following year and becomes a bench/role player that would mean he's performing below expectations.

It happens.

>You can pretend his basketball just started on draft night
>and expectations only began from that night, but it's not so.
>
>
>If Andrew Wiggins doesn't enter the draft. Then goes 7th the
>following year and becomes a bench/role player that would mean
>he's performing below expectations.
>
>It happens.


I don't have to pretend on anything...I'm just reading through old pieces on the kid at the time of the draft...The kid was deemed a good player...But hardly a can't miss, all-world prospect...

As for the role player thing, as I said before, that's a trap door...

When I think of role players I think of John Salley, Steve Kerr...Specialists...

Players that get by on one singular talent...

If u r coming off the bench dropping 14-15-16 points in a game or in a playoff situation, that goes beyond being a mere role player...U r now an important part of the team being being a specialist...The bench player responsible for points off the bench on some Microwave, JR Smith shit...

In other words, I would slow down with calling dude a disappointment...

which is why he brought up Wiggins.

coming into UNC, Barnes was hyped as the next great player. as I mentioned above, he was the first player EVER to be *preseason* all american as a *freshman* - meaning they voted him as one of the best college players in the country before he had played a college game.

He didn't do well enough as a freshman, stayed a second year instead of being one and done, and then went 7th as a soph.

Since this post also has UNC-Duke hate at its core, replace Wiggins with Jabari Parker. Look at the hype on Parker, and imagine he has to stay a second year, and then winds up going 7th instead of top 3, and then becomes a role player in the NBA.

this board would never let basa/longo hear the end of it.

>which is why he brought up Wiggins.
>
>coming into UNC, Barnes was hyped as the next great player. as
>I mentioned above, he was the first player EVER to be
>*preseason* all american as a *freshman* - meaning they voted
>him as one of the best college players in the country before
>he had played a college game.

I hear u Sam...But I go by actual output in terms of hype...I've seen loads of high school players dominate...And yes, I'm aware that Barnes was hyped...COMING OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL...It doesn't matter what J. Parker or Wiggins does in high school...It's what they do in college that matters...And if they truly dominate like people think they will, then that true hype is warranted...

All that really matters is what did Barnes do in college? And what he did was be a damn "good" player...But was he the best? Was he a top 5 pick? That's what really matters...No...

By the time dude was drafted there was enough tape on Barnes against blue chip talent to judge him accordingly...

So what u r left with is a good college player from a great college B-Ball institution....

Barnes was drafted at 7 for a reason...And that's a pretty good position...Top 10...Real money...But hardly BEAST OR BUST scenario...

you think niggas learn THAT MUCH by spending 8 months on a campus. i'mma drop this, because i'm convinced you'll say any fucking thing at this point to defend your position, no matter how illogical or contradictory.

two best fuckin players of the last 25 years came STRAIGHT from HS. most of the lottery picks today are one and dones SCOUTING since they were 14 and 15 by NBA GMs. but, high school isn't a good indicator, huh?

and spending 8 months on a college campus ain't stopped you from jocking Kyrie and it won't stop you from jocking Jabari....

just remember recent duke years have seen more Jabronis than Jabaris...

ol' 'pressed to utilize every flute in mario 3' ass nigga

EXCEEDED his expectations in the NBA would be a duke fan who is bitter because of their history of below average-to-mediocre small forwards who have barely made a dent in the NBA like Corey Mageette and Shane Battier...

Barnes is doing exactly what he needs to do on the team he's on...there is neither the opportunity or the necessity for him to score more on that team...

He's been better than expected.

get a new processor, dude.

Barnes is doing better than was expected of him???

He was the high school player of the year, the first ever freshman preseason all american, and was the seventh overall pick in the draft - more based off his hype and "upside" than his actual production at UNC

If Barnes is doing better than expected, then someone should start clearing space for the statue of Luol Deng outside the United Center

>Barnes is doing better than was expected of him???
>
>He was the high school player of the year, the first ever
>freshman preseason all american, and was the seventh overall
>pick in the draft - more based off his hype and "upside" than
>his actual production at UNC
>
>If Barnes is doing better than expected, then someone should
>start clearing space for the statue of Luol Deng outside the
>United Center


I think people are saying he's doing better than expected mainly because of the team that he is on...

Let's put it this way...If Barnes was on the Milwaukee Bucks and showed himself to be merely a decent player, then you would be on to something...

But Barnes happens to be on a team with some pretty HEAVY offensive players....He's not the 2nd or 3rd or 4th option...The players that are in the starting lineup have either been all-stars or have all-star talent...So he comes off the bench...

I agree that people go over the top with the agendas and go hard after Basa...But when you start off with the line that a player is a scrub that is D League worthy (yeah, I know it was some shit talk...but yeah...) people will latch on to that and throw ether accordingly...

Bottom line: this Barnes kid is on a STACKED team and is putting up double figures in points...

The question u have to ask yourself is this: If he was on a horrible squad and given 30 mins plus a game, could he drop 20 plus points a game, snatch down around 6-8 boards a game and get a few assists?

I believe he could given what I've seen from the kid in the regular season and in the playoffs...

period. you don't know his game and you flat out haven't followed him enough to know jack shit.

Obviously, I'm coming at this from the perspective as a lifelong Warriors fan. I honestly don't care about the UNC vs. Duke vs. UCLA dynamic of this whole thing. But in no way am I disappointed with Barnes performance. He's been doing what we've need him to do this season. Just like last season. We wouldn't have made it to the second round of the play-offs without his performance. We wouldn't have won some of these games this season without his performance.

>He was the high school player of the year, the first ever
>freshman preseason all american, and was the seventh overall
>pick in the draft - more based off his hype and "upside" than
>his actual production at UNC

And yet there wasn't a single player selected after him that I can look at and say, "Well, we should have drafted THAT guy instead of Barnes." He's certainly playing better than everyone selected after him, and better than at least one player selected before him. That's also not under-performing.

>Obviously, I'm coming at this from the perspective as a
>lifelong Warriors fan. I honestly don't care about the UNC vs.
>Duke vs. UCLA dynamic of this whole thing. But in no way am I
>disappointed with Barnes performance. He's been doing what
>we've need him to do this season. Just like last season. We
>wouldn't have made it to the second round of the play-offs
>without his performance. We wouldn't have won some of these
>games this season without his performance.
>
>>He was the high school player of the year, the first ever
>>freshman preseason all american, and was the seventh overall
>>pick in the draft - more based off his hype and "upside"
>than
>>his actual production at UNC
>
>And yet there wasn't a single player selected after him that I
>can look at and say, "Well, we should have drafted THAT guy
>instead of Barnes." He's certainly playing better than
>everyone selected after him, and better than at least one
>player selected before him. That's also not under-performing.


This^^^^is what happens when u are agenda-college free.....

hype of being the national player of the year in high school...

based on his college performance....which anyone who is actually trying to look at this honestly would place more importance on his COLLEGE career than his high school career.....but based on his time at UNC.... Harrison was looked at as a potential bust...

he's showing he's far from a bust...and playing BETTER than most expected considering his mediocre college career

Better than expected? Man you expect a No. 7 pick to either be a star or fill a role PERFECTLY. He is, in the parlance of our times, just a guy

seems hella trivial



its one thing to up this during last year's playoffs - when he stepped up in a major way for the squad, but for every regular season game?



there's quality uppage and then there's this ....

1.) As predicted, dudes are trying to change it up and switch up how we're measuring dude. But the groundwork for this agenda was about 4 years in the making. It's not some whimsical shit that just happened,

2.) The funniest part about it to me is that even though he's going to have good games or even great ones sprinkled in here and there, it's always gonna come back to 11 & 5 at most.

nigga just said since he was seen as a POTENTIAL bust, the fact that he's not a bust proves he good.

you're just admitting that you can't talk about players after '95 because they in the league while Dukies making cream puffs....

you can't even talk shit about the Lavin era because we got some still playing, and others just retiring whose careers sonned mcbobby and William avery....lolol...

Matt Barnes....Ryan Hollins...Earl Watson....Baron Davis....

but like I said...we got 5 or 6 NBA players on our roster right today....

meanwhile Austin Rivers and Jay Williams are the co-grand marshalls of the bust parade....

matt barnes is a scrub, warren

Ryan Kelly
Mason Plumlee
Miles Plumlee
Austion Rivers
Kyle Singler
Kyrie Irving
Gerald Henderson
Josh McRoberts
JJ Redick
Sheldon Williams
Daniel Ewing


There is only 1 player on that list better than Matt Barnes...

that's how terrible the Duke recent NBA history is..

Ryan Hollins better than at least 10 guys on that list..

lololol.... y'all ain't shit.

other than Kyrie...

again..

ya'll ain't shit....

we put COMPLETE players in the NBA...players who contribute...

yet the numbers you set as the bar for him are pretty much what Luol Deng is getting.....


Harrison Barnes playoff performance last year gave you a permanent L on this subject...

meanwhile Austin Rivers averaging 8 minutes per game and 3 points per game..

the L's just keep on comin

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/65687/harrison-barnes-new-brand-bust

Harrison Barnes' new brand: Bust?

In a moment, Harrison Barnes reminded fans that the hype isn’t wholly empty. On Thursday night against the Clippers, he raced behind a weaving Jordan Crawford, received the pass, then soared past Willie Green for a powerful and-1 dunk. If the crowd's crazed reaction for a merely cool second-quarter jam was a little over the top, it may be attributable to a certain nervous energy regarding the Barnes situation. He’s been adrift on this roster this season, and the murmurs of doubt and disappointment have been growing louder.

As Anthony Bennett hogs the national “draft bust?” spotlight, it’s easy to forget that there are other young players under local scrutiny. In an ideal world, we wouldn't hold these young men to expectations they didn't set, but that change isn't happening anytime soon.

In Barnes’ case, the expectations don’t stem just from being the No. 7 pick. There’s more to the anxiety of “Is this it?” than his lottery status. First, Barnes didn’t storm the scene just last season as Bennett did en route to becoming the No. 1 overall pick in the 2013 draft. Barnes is coming off his rookie season, but the former No. 1-ranked recruit has been underwhelming nervous fans for years now.

Barnes played for a high-profile North Carolina program and was featured before a March Madness TV audience that dwarfs that of Warriors games. His freshman year at Chapel Hill was underwhelming, albeit mildly so. Barnes scored, but didn't do it that efficiently, and did little else. He still probably would have been a top-three pick if he had opted for the draft then, but he elected to stay a year, which worked out badly for his draft stock, if not his “brand.” Sophomore Barnes played like freshman Barnes. His "NBA body" continued to move as though animated by what draftniks might call a "low motor." His handle remained stilted, his shot remained average, and his disappearances from the team’s offensive attack remained frequent.

As Barnes drifted through his final college season, the Warriors set about a deliberate course. They tanked mightily in pursuit of a top-seven protected pick. The process was excruciating for just about anyone who followed the team closely out of either obligation or habit. It made a grim mockery of Mark Jackson’s first season as head coach as he strove to prove himself with suited stars and a massive organizational incentive to lose, lose, lose.

Barnes was the prize, the guy who would vindicate the intentional indignity of 2012. And in the 2013 playoffs, after Warriors fortunes had dramatically reversed for the better, Barnes appeared to do just that. His rookie season was uneven, but Barnes got something of a spotlight during Golden State’s first-round upset of the Denver Nuggets. David Lee went down with a hip injury, and Barnes, who had seen almost no time at power forward to that point, was called upon to be the replacement.

Barnes thrived with more space on the court, using his long strides to sail toward the rim. Denver frequently left him open beyond the arc, allowing Barnes to shoot 40.6 percent from deep in the series.

The following Spurs series didn't help Harrison’s efficiency, but it did bolster his national cachet. Tony Parker "hid" on Barnes defensively, which goaded the Warriors into bogging their offense down into repeated post-ups with their rookie. The result was plenty of points for Barnes (an average of 17.3 over the six-game series), but at a below-average 51.4 percent true shooting mark. Since raw point totals still command a lot of respect, many filed Barnes’ series as a breakout performance.

The Warriors themselves were reputed to be highly optimistic about Barnes during last summer’s training camp, even if they did bring Andre Iguodala in to take his starting spot. Rumors about Barnes' killer training camp set off yet another drum roll in a career comprised of so many anticipatory drum rolls.

Barnes began this season with a foot ailment, and he’s been, to put it bluntly, quite bad so far. It's not often that you’ll see a player with a 9.95 PER get so many opportunities. Jackson continues to post Barnes up as though his high-flying wing is Al Jefferson waiting to happen. The results have been miserable, mostly because Barnes claims neither the shooting ability nor passing vision to capitalize on frequent post-ups. It’s not all Jackson’s fault, though. Barnes dribbles with the stultifying caution of someone who fears the ball might set off land mines. He also holds on to it with the slow, deliberate focus of someone consulting a Magic 8 ball. To summarize, he’s a ball-stopper, but without the gaudy individual offense that many ball-stoppers can conjure up in isolation.

Though blessed with the body of an elite perimeter defender, Barnes has shown none of the instincts this season. While it’s understandable that a younger player might struggle on defense, Barnes’ flaws on that end are highlighted by the dogged defensive efforts of less-touted second-year man Draymond Green.

Draft disappointments don’t just let fans down on their lonesome, as disappointment needs a comparison to some better, imagined outcome. Sam Bowie wouldn't be “Sam Bowie” without Michael Jordan. Perhaps the most agonizing aspect of draft pick disappointment is the emerging picture of the alternatives. As the draft pick hindsight gets more clear, less blurry, it shows Andre Drummond dunking off a high screen lob from Stephen Curry. It shows John Henson blocking a shot simultaneous with Andrew Bogut. It shows Terrence Ross claiming membership as a Splash Brother with a 51-point opus. It shows Terrence Jones as an even better stretch 4 than Barnes in the Denver series. It shows Jeremy Lamb as what Kent Bazemore was supposed to be defensively. Depending on the day, it might even show the better side of Jared Sullinger, Kendall Marshall and Tony Wroten.

Barnes still has time and still has plausible excuses (remember the early-season injury?). Mark Jackson repeatedly extols his work ethic. Nobody on the team has criticized Barnes for a lack of desire or effort. If you’re hopeful about Harrison, you’ll have to lean on the subjective because the statistical profile is looking bleak. If you’re looking for optimism, you’ll have to consider what Curry said about Barnes after the victory over the Clippers: “He’s still young. He’s still trying to, you know, find his way. New role this year, obviously, coming off the bench. He’s going to get it. We still have confidence in him, we keep staying in his ear; he has confidence in himself, and obviously he’s shown that he can make a huge impact.”

Right, they should have drafted shooting guard Terrance Ross instead because of one game. Right, they should have drafted shooting guard Jeremy Lamb instead when they already had Klay. Right, the should have drafted Kendall Marshall instead even though they had Curry. This guy is a clown.

Right now, Barnes is still the sixth best player in that draft. Drummond is better than him, but hey, they weren't drafting another center. This is short-bus writing.

I would have said the only time to really call a young player a bust is if a lotto player is waived after one season... but then Marshall went to a new team and looks like at worst a starter on a terrible team.

So much can happen in these early years to all these players. They all need time to figure it out-- the ones that do early are the exception, but people act like they're the rule. Damian Lillard was and is EXCEEDING expectations for a young point guard. Andre Drummond, for a raw center, is EXCEEDING expectations.

I would say, while Barnes' expectations coming out of HS were the highest of anyone in that draft (including Davis), he can't be faulted for struggling in Year 2 on a crowded roster with plenty of other shooters. And labeling him a bust midway through season 2 is preposterous.

If they want to compare his work to other second-year players, fine. But consider the situations. John Henson is in a much better position for productivity right now. So is Sully. So is Kendall. (They're all on bad teams, for one.) You can't just compare the productivity and label bust or success mid-year-2 as a result.

Miles Plumlee was on a stacked Pacers roster. Then he was traded to the Suns who needed a player of his skill set to start, and now he's thriving.

I can't believe I just spent time responding NEGATIVELY to a "Harrison Barnes: bust?" article, but there you go, lol.

how iggy is only mentioned once in that entire diatribe is beyond me. barnes went from starting to coming off the bench and sharing time with green. when iggy was hurt and barnes was starting he was back to his old self. mark jackson running dumb ass iso post ups doesnt help his game either.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes

condolences Dukies

.

never gets old...

the L's just keep on coming...