Poll question: Barnes vs. Kidd-Gilchrist - Who will be the better NBA player?

Poll result (43 votes) Barnes (16 votes) Vote MKG (26 votes) Vote I'd rather have a Plumlee (a.k.a. I'm white) (1 votes) Vote

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1137524-nba-draft-2012-comparing-michael-kidd-gilchrist-and-harrison-barnes-as-pro-pros



NBA Draft 2012: Comparing Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Harrison Barnes
By Nolan Ahern

Two of the most talented players in the upcoming NBA draft are Michael Kidd-Gilchrist of Kentucky and Harrison Barnes of UNC.

Both are 6'8", 210-pound small forwards with a variety skills who are projected to be drafted in the top 10 by ESPN’s Chad Ford. Kidd-Gilchrist is only 18 years old, and Barnes is 19. Several things could affect their draft stock between now and June 28, but wherever these two land, expectations will be high.

Many of the same teams will be pursuing these two, or even choosing between them. This article evaluates them based on five categories—athleticism, defense, scoring, intangibles and potential at the next level. Each player will be scored out of 10 points for each category, then those scores will be added up to create a total score out of 50.



Athleticism

Barnes: 8.5. Barnes moves well for his size, but he is not exceptionally quick off the dribble nor does he posses elite speed or jumping ability.

MGK: 10. Kidd-Gilchrist has incredible leaping ability and excellent athleticism for his size. He is quick off the dribble and can attack the basket, and effectively uses his jumping and timing to get a lot offensive rebounds and put-backs—he grabbed 2.6 offensive rebounds per game last season, according to statsheet.com.



Defense

Barnes: 8.5. Barnes is fairly athletic and uses his length to defend well on the perimeter. He grabbed 5.2 rebounds and 1.1 steals per game last year, and if he matures physically he could see significant improvement on defense.

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MGK: 9. Kidd-Gilchrist impacts the game in a number of ways from the defensive end. Last season he averaged 7.4 rebounds, 0.9 blocks and 1.0 steals per game. His athleticism and length are an exceptional combination, and he should be a strong defender right away.

Scoring

Barnes: 10. With one of the purest strokes in the draft, Barnes’s ability to shoot the ball separates him from other prospects. He has a deadly mid-range off the dribble, and can step back and hit an open three—he shot 35.8 percent from beyond the arc last year.

He has some driving ability but could improve his ball handling and finishing skills to add another dimension to his game. Overall, 17.1 points per game last season is impressive, and still is only a glimpse of what Barnes could become offensively.

MGK: 8. Kidd-Gilchrist tends to score a lot around the basket and shot a stellar 49.1 percent from the field as a result. He has great quickness and the ability to drive and finish hard at the basket, and does a good job of scoring in transition and slashing to the basket for easy buckets.

Coaches love guys who can score without demanding too many shots—Kidd-Gilchrist averaged almost 12 points per game on only 8.2 shots, an excellent rate of efficiency.



Intangibles:

Barnes: 8. Barnes only averaged 1.1 assists per game last season, and mostly looks for his own offense. From a mental standpoint, some scouts have been disappointed by Barnes’s inability to take over games or step up in a big moment. He is generally described as a passive personality, but he does have an excellent basketball IQ and understands both sides of the ball.

MGK: 10. Kidd-Gilchrist has a constant motor, and provides a certain tenacity that can infect a whole team. He is aggressive on both sides of the ball, and offensively he is always looking to attack and get his teammates open looks off penetration. Praised for his excellent work ethic, there is nothing not to like about Kidd-Gilchrist.



Potential

Barnes: 10. Barnes gets the slight edge because of his potential to become an elite scorer on the wing. To have such a nice jump shot and a good body to work with is a coach’s dream, and Barnes still has plenty of time to grow at 19 years old. If he could develop some driving ability and continue to hit jumpers, he could score in volume for years to come.

MGK: 9.5. Kidd-Gilchrist does not have the perimeter game that Barnes does, and it’s hard to teach a jump shot even to an exceptional athlete. That being said, Kidd-Gilchrist has tremendous potential as a defender and will only grow as an athletic finisher around the rim.



Overall

Barnes: 45, MGK: 46.5

Kidd-Gilchrist wins the overall as the player who simply impacts the game in more ways. Ford predicts that Kidd-Gilchrist will go second off the board, and that Barnes will be drafted seventh.

It would not be unexpected, however, if a team in need of some wing scoring and perimeter shooting valued Barnes over Kidd-Gilchrist. Everything will depend on the results of the lottery, so it is impossible to tell where each will be drafted, but it is certain that both of these prospects will hear their names called on early in round one of the draft.

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out there that I decided to post, I don't necessarily agree with it, I think Harrison will be the better NBA player, I'm just seeing what other people's opinions are.

Barnes started out with a lot of hype then a lot of people cooled on him but his stock seems to be on the uptick lately. MKG's stock shot up during the tournament to a top 5 pick with some people saying he could go #2 behind Davis but a lot of people are backing off that now.

why does Bleacher Report always get shitted on in OKS?

It ain't easy... but it sho' is fun

MKG will see the playoffs at some point.


Cmon
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>MKG will see the playoffs at some point.

even if he ends up with Bobcats or Wizards?

he's going to be SORRY! Sean May level disappointment.

NBA-ready than MKG

to be "better" than a lot of the point guards drafted after him but it didn't work out that way did it?

Some players games are more suited to college, some are more suited to the NBA.

Harrison was supposed to be great in college.

He was not.

He was above average.

For 2 years.

He showed he's a competent stand still shooter. And can't get his own shot and has trouble against athletic competition.

MKG was supposed to be great in college.

He was.

He was a leader and showed he's a more aggressive player. And his team won.

MKG was better than Harrison in High School.

MKG played against Harrison in college. He outplayed him.

MKG was a better in college than Harrison.

There is absolutely nothing that should lead you to believe Harrison will be better than MKG vs more athletic competition.

Not even the boxscores you watch. Or the Bleacher Report. Use your eyes and watch games.

scorer in and college and will be a better more consistent scorer in the NBA.

Hustle guys are a dime a dozen.

And when they needed him to score the most, he didn't.

Lol

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is greatest thing since sliced bread so I already know its pointless to have this conversation with you.

I think I just make sound basketball points based on what I've seen with my two eyes.

I don't have unsound arguments based on complilations of what I've read on the internet like you.

>I think I just make sound basketball points based on what
>I've seen with my two eyes.
>
>I don't have unsound arguments based on complilations of what
>I've read on the internet like you.

No, you're just another college fanboy that doesn't know dick about the NBA.

You see Eric Bledsoe come off the bench for the Clippers and and make a couple of layups and declare he needs to be a starter.

FOH, assclown.

Didn't you JUST get hip to League Pass dawg?

You can ask me about ANY Kentucky player and I can give you an honest assessment.

Don't get intimidated cuz I know more about hoops than you. Cuz you sounding real mad right now.

But continue with your, "NBA is about scoring."

When the top defensives consistently win chips.

Continue.

>Didn't you JUST get hip to League Pass dawg?

I've never paid for League Pass.

>You can ask me about ANY Kentucky player and I can give you an
>honest assessment.

In your opinion, lol.

>Don't get intimidated cuz I know more about hoops than you.

Ooh, I'm scurred.

>Cuz you sounding real mad right now.

Me?

>But continue with your, "NBA is about scoring."
>
>When the top defensives consistently win chips.

You still have to be able to get buckets when you need them. Look at he Bulls, they were probably better defensively without Rose but they had trouble getting buckets and that's why they lost in the first round.

Okay, thanks.

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I voted Blue

Coming from a Bullets/Wizards fan, here.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

But Harrison will have more PPG so casual observers might rate him higher.

but I also don't think he has much chance of being a bust.

He'll will be one of those dudes that works hard, does a lot of the little things (rebounding, taking on the tough defensive assignments at 2/3 or 4s in small lineups, block a shot or two, get out on breaks, etc) and will find a role filling in gaps on a team to help them win.

Barnes to me has that UNC/Kansas SF/PF bust potential like a Julian/Brandon Wright.

His upside could also take him to a Rudy Gay type of level but nothing that I've seen or heard about his mental makeup to me makes him worth the risk over a surefire lively grinder like MKG.

If I'm gonna roll dice I'd rather do it with someone who has size or freakish athleticism.

really neither are that much like him in terms of their games, Wright was a bit bigger & on paper more of a natural power forward if he wasn't so 'weak & waaaaack'(c)Boogie Down Productions.

I was just throwing The (Can't Get) Wright Brothers in there as the yin-and-yang of recent Kansas/UNC busts.

Gimme the Somerdale Scrapper, I was down on him after that St Patrick/St Anthony state-title game because of his dissapearing act in the second half but it's now occurred to me that he's more a solid supporting player than a franchise star.

In that mold, I think he's a safe pick.

>Gimme the Somerdale Scrapper, I was down on him after that St
>Patrick/St Anthony state-title game because of his
>dissapearing act in the second half

you do know that St. Anthony's team went undefeated in back to back years?

a lot of people tend to disappear against St. Anthony's in the 2nd half. That's why they're them.

and you gotta love this:

A year ago, Kidd-Gilchrist and St. Patrick lost the mythical national championship game to Kyle Anderson and St. Anthony, a loss that he says he will never get over and that cannot be erased even with a win Monday night in the NCAA championship game.

“No, but whatever happens, happens,” he said. “But I don’t think it will.”

I've been up on them since Matt Maloney was at Haddonfield, BobbyHurley/TerryDehere/RodrickRhodes/JerryWalker/etc were at St Anthony's, Mikey Edwards was at Eastern, Luther Wright was at Elizabeth & all were in the first Tournament of Champions ever.

My boys & I followed those squads like they were pro teams as kids.

What Bob Senior has done up there is historic.

That being said, St Patrick won the TOJ the year before Kyrie's senior year (when they were banned from postseason) & it was St Patrick that went into that game ranked #1 in the nation.

Michael Gilchrist was easily the most touted player in that game and probably in the country.

St Anthony was in a slight 'drought' title wise heading in.

Part of that outcome was Bob Hurley being a better coach than Kevin Boyle (who basically took a Godfather offer from some Florida sports factory fake-school right after that) but another reason was Myles Mack taking that game by the throat while MKG didn't assert himself offensively despite his team needing buckets.

That sequence of events basically turned the tide back to St Anthony's for the present & forseeable future.

But anyway, I got over that watching him at UK, I think he's gonna be a valuable player for a good team & play double-digit years in the league.

If anything, Barnes has shown far more tendency to be like Wright with his inability to take contact and soft mindset.

His body control going to the hoop and footwork attacking the rim are incredible skills. He isn't polished from the perimeter but that doesn't mean he is all athleticism.

>His body control going to the hoop and footwork attacking the
>rim are incredible skills. He isn't polished from the
>perimeter but that doesn't mean he is all athleticism.

His ability to finish at the rim will without question get him points in the pros. Even if his shots aren't falling, he can create opportunities for himself and the others around him in the halfcourt with those skills. And in transition? Forget about it.

the rim in the NBA. Guys like Lebron, Kobe and Carmelo have trouble getting to the basket at times and I think they're all a little more skilled than MKG.

when he had trouble getting them at the college level? If he was a knock-down shooter, that would be one thing, but he hasn't shown that ability nor has he shown the first step, explosion or handle to back defenders off him to get a clean look.

I like Barnes but I'm very wary of his inconsistency, lack of physicality, lack of explosion, and suspect handle. If he wasn't hitting his jumper, he oft disappeared in UNC games.

>when he had trouble getting them at the college level? If he
>was a knock-down shooter, that would be one thing, but he
>hasn't shown that ability nor has he shown the first step,
>explosion or handle to back defenders off him to get a clean
>look.
>
>I like Barnes but I'm very wary of his inconsistency, lack of
>physicality, lack of explosion, and suspect handle. If he
>wasn't hitting his jumper, he oft disappeared in UNC games.

... then Harrison Barnes, who struggled to get looks against Ohio University, is going to be in seriously deep shit.

is going to leading the NBA in scoring or anything but he's a guy that can make you pay if you leave him open. MKG is a self-check on the perimeter.

How's he going to create space for that jumper when he can't beat anyone off the dribble?

on the Wizards, if Wall can break down the D Barnes can be a good guy to kick to in the corner.

kirilenko, gerald wallace, and shawn marion, all who he shares similar skills and deficiencies with, were able to score at the rim based on athleticsm, energy, and high IQ.

It ain't easy... but it sho' is fun

Like... at all.

i've got faith in the homegrown regardless of my affinity for the heels... I expect both to make their respective marks tho; harry aint no joe forte, trust.....

He's a very good passer and ball handler as a sf already. The shot is broke but I think, given his work ethic, he'll get it to a solid level. Add that to what he brings as a defender, rebounder and leader. He should crack a few all star teams and be 3rd best guy on a chip contender.

What does he do well? He's a decent but not shutdown defender. He doesn't create plays for others. He doesn't have freakish athleticism. He's not a dead eye long range shooter. He's not good enough to be a team's #1 scorer (any good team at least).

With MKG, at least you're getting an NBA level defender and rebounder right today. You know he can get out on the break, plus he can pass, and if he fixes his shot at all he'll be useful in the half court. Plus no team in their right mind is going to make him a primary scorer right away, so he'll have time to grow into his role, while Barnes's value is all predicated on him putting the ball through the hoop.

Tony Allen and Sefolosha but those guys usually struggle to find the right team to fit into that role.

MKG kind of reminds me of Corey Brewer, a great college player that has kind of struggled to find his role in the NBA. People say all MKG needs to do is "fix his shot" but how many guys is that said about coming in the league that NEVER do it?

I think Barnes is more well-rounded, he's not a "shutdown defender" but how many guys really are in the NBA? Barnes can hold his own and won't be a liability on D. He can knock down the open shot and keep teams honest on the perimeter. I'm not saying he'll be an all-star but I think he can be a consistent 15ppg guy on the right team.

Especially considering that MKG's basketball IQ is already miles ahead of Tony Allen's when he came into the league.

found a role on a flawed Memphis team but do you really want to use a top 5 pick and give a top 5 contract to a guy like that?

(to paraphrase a Big John Thompson shared favorite quote)

Look at what Kawhi Leonard has done with that nba-three-pointer in his rookie year, that dude couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from collenge-three-ball a year ago.

Give me the kid with athleticism, a high-basketball IQ & loves to play.

His versatility, motor, physicality, and mindset will have him contributing in numerous ways. He can handle the ball, can attack off the dribble, very good hands, good vision for a SF, incredible body control, very crafty around the rim with his footwork, finishes well at the rim, he will scrap on the block, goes hard on the glass, will defend the opponents best player, and is relentless with his effort. He's going to be that guy who fills in numerous holes and support gaps for a team. If he can improve his jumper, watch out.

Barnes is the better shooter right now but even that has been inconsistent...hell, all parts of his game were inconsistent at UNC. He never really impressed in any facet of the game. He didn't show great burst or lateral quickness, his handle is mediocre, he dribbles way too upright, never showed any penchant for physicality on the defensive end. He still has a good amount of potential but I'd rather have the player in MKG's who is relentless, physical, and willing to do anything it takes.

I think he can have a good career but I doubt
If he will be a game changer off rip
But who knows

This is a strange post.

the purpose of this post is to discuss whose game will be more suitable for success at the NBA level.

take that how you want it.

>take that how you want it.

If you're picking Barnes over MKG, that should tell you a little something.

It's not a slight to Barnes to say MKG will be better.

Barnes got that old man game...

He will have a longer career by not playing OC and all he has to do is work on his jumper and develop that outside shot.


If he can get that range that TMac had without the back breaking dunking shit, he should have a great career.



I see MK-G as more of a slasher and defensive player. He could suprise me but I don't trust niggas with hyphenated last-names

>Barnes got that old man game...
>
>He will have a longer career by not playing OC and all he has
>to do is work on his jumper and develop that outside shot.
>
>
>If he can get that range that TMac had without the back
>breaking dunking shit, he should have a great career.
>
>
>
>I see MK-G as more of a slasher and defensive player. He
>could suprise me but I don't trust niggas with hyphenated
>last-names
>
like Abdul-Jabbar, Jones-Drew, Rodgers-Cromartie, & Addur-Rahim?

>>I see MK-G as more of a slasher and defensive player. He
>>could suprise me but I don't trust niggas with hyphenated
>>last-names
>>
>like Abdul-Jabbar, Jones-Drew, Rodgers-Cromartie, &
>Addur-Rahim?

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and OC = out of control


Some players have a reckless style

Some have a smooth ass game

MKG is the former

Barnes is the latter






Playing reckless can get you results (see Westbrook)

but having that old man type game works wonders with a long career (see Rondo)

like top level, but its a big can.

MKG is fierce with it.

Barnes I think is a player that was not set for the college game, especially the offense UNC runs. The coasting thing is concerning, but I have seen him elevate his entire game when challenged and also when he knocks down buckets early. But when he did not, the team at times went away from him and cruise mode came back.

Simply put, the kid has an offensive arsenal post moves, runners, aggressiveness in the paint, and when/if his handle improves its a problem. He just doesn't go all out like you want him to. And picking that over MKG is something I wouldn;t risk.

instead of what a player actually is.

A player that stays in school 2 or 3 years can be at a disadvantage because people have had time to pick apart their flaws whereas for the one and done guys people only have a glimpse of what they are don't have a chance to pick them apart as much


>like top level, but its a big can.
>
>MKG is fierce with it.
>
>Barnes I think is a player that was not set for the college
>game, especially the offense UNC runs. The coasting thing is
>concerning, but I have seen him elevate his entire game when
>challenged and also when he knocks down buckets early. But
>when he did not, the team at times went away from him and
>cruise mode came back.
>
>Simply put, the kid has an offensive arsenal post moves,
>runners, aggressiveness in the paint, and when/if his handle
>improves its a problem. He just doesn't go all out like you
>want him to. And picking that over MKG is something I wouldn;t
>risk.
>
>

I like Barnes but if you're making notes on Summer League performance, MGK looked like a ROY candidate. Barnes has looked good but I don't think anyone in Charlotte is regretting the pick.

Aint that what you told Longo when he was hypin Plumlee?

Word

***waits for "Okayplayer" repsonse***

the real games start

I remember cats hyping up Marco Benelli off of summer league play...lol

However, it DID matter for Demarcus Cousins though

That defensive hustle work stuff is cool, but teams need jokas who can put down......get buckets. Of the two, I think Barnes can do that better than MKG.

>That defensive hustle work stuff is cool, but teams need
>jokas who can put down......get buckets. Of the two, I think
>Barnes can do that better than MKG.

one dude is luol deng the other is gerald wallace
it might simply be a preference thing if both dudes have similar ceilings
personally i'd take a deng type dude

That paint is gunna collapse QUICK for MKG. I sense a shitload of charges calls against dude. But I will say if he gets a shot like Kwahi...its over.



Gimme the scorer who is smart, decent on D and a team player ANYDAY



Barnes.

I don't have an agenda on either guy but even critics of Barnes admit he can shoot, whereas MKG's main asset seems to be his motor.

but i think barnes could be like a poor mans lebron (with better jumper)
i guess that makes his ceiling carmelo lol

>but i think barnes could be like a poor mans lebron (with
>better jumper)
>i guess that makes his ceiling carmelo lol

like he better than MKG
and actually the ORIGINAL barnes agenda beef was barnes vs. austin rivers
so i might end up getting a 2 for 1 on this

and rivers will be better than barnes too anyway, so this is all gonna be enjoyable.

>and rivers will be better than barnes too anyway, so this is
>all gonna be enjoyable.


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narrating works of non-fiction than a starting Small Forward in the NBA.

MKG.....Hustle Player? Nope. A player who plays better & harder. And will be a key to the franchise moving in the right direction.

Then it becomes ...."reach Eastern Conf Finals"

Then it's...."win the title".

Let's not play this game. You'll have a better chance of wishing Bradley Beal can find a turtleneck sweater that he doesn't have to roll 27 times in the neck.

LeBron kept shooting 38%, Kobe never got of the bench, Rose still can't shoot.

MKG will not be a contenders no. 2 in 12-13. I'd put my money on him being a damn good player by 2015.

lol
it's early but both players look like potential busts to me
John Wall drops 16 and 8 but is a "bust" on here because he can't hit jump shots
the inconsistency on this board is fucking joke

despite the fact that 16 and 8 happened twice, when everyone was expecting 20 and 10...but, oh well.

it's just that people were expecting more than a 16 and 8 on 40% shooting type baller when we saw wall.

25 and 12 tonight...

http://www.boxing-kit.com/images/uploads/wil1418.jpg

Klay was cold all night ... the kid stepped up for us. He played with confidence, calling for the ball like a vet lol


He could develop into a real nice third option for our offense

gilly at 11 and 7. where Stiff Hips? 10 and 4. oh.

> where Stiff Hips?

Y'all see it

positives:
these last 2 games really show what this kid is capable of when he's assertive. he can be good--really, really good.
he's shown resilience and nerves of steel in crunch time, taking big-time shots without hesitation and making it look easy.
the offense has shown to run through him at times, so he'll get plenty of opportunities.

negatives:
however, from what i've seen in all of the games before these 2, dude can straight up DISAPPEAR on the floor.
there have been times where i didn't realize he was on the court for almost an entire quarter.
blame it on him transitioning to the pro game, but it's gonna take more than 2 games to show that's was the case.
also, his passing needs A LOT of work.

ever since college, i've seen him as a stronger, less explosive and slower Rudy Gay who makes a concerted effort on D. always felt the two lived way too much on the perimeter in college, and Rudy still does. verdict is still out on Barnes, but he's really been attacking the rim and posting up, so it's promising.

will he be better than MKG? idk, haven't seen MKG play an NBA game yet, so i can't say shit. but from watching him in college, i think he can be a very efficient 12-15 pt and 7-8 reb guy who can lock a player down - the type of guy any team would want.

If you don't get it by now, you're just an idiot and are probably one of them niggaz playing Dreamcast trying to convince cats, "This shit right here is gaming!."

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lmao. i love it

when Harrison score 18 and 8 or whatever and that contingent is gonna get giddy.

Then it's gonna be 5 years from now and MKG gonna be going to the All Star game again and Harrison is gonna be wild Gordon Hayward'y with his play cats are gonna pretend this never happened.

So I'm stopping now.

>when Harrison score 18 and 8 or whatever and that contingent
>is gonna get giddy.
>
>Then it's gonna be 5 years from now and MKG gonna be going to
>the All Star game again

Is he getting tickets?

lollll

this nigga looked at that boxscore.....


oh snap...uppage!

Both guys look like outstanding young ballers. I still think MKG is better because of his all around game, but Barnes has really shown signs of being more complete early on in his career. I think both Barnes and Kidd-Gilchrist are going to be good players in the league and I wouldn't be surprised if either made an All-Star game at some point in their careers.

only weakness in his game is his passing. he's unselfish, but he makes some really dumb passes.

It's still early in his career but his BB I.Q. and work ethic are evident right from jump. When the Warriors drafted him I was worried that he was on that Rudy Gay track, that he would settle for throwing up a bunch of long jumpers and disappearing from games when his shot wasn't falling. That hasn't been the case at all, he still has some work to do but he is making an effort to use his athleticism on defense and on the boards. He's also been very aggressive when given opportunities on offense, trying to get into the paint rather than settle for contested jumpers.

Having Barnes start off well has kind of helped deal with Klay's shooting slump and Bogut's ankle issues. If the Warriors can hang around .500 through the all-star break Barnes' development could be huge down the stretch run.

him and barnes both looking kinda floppy at this point
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who wouldn't want that

Between Kemba, Ramon, and Ben ain't shit left for him at the table.

and MGK usage% is higher, he getting more opportunities
cmon don't be that desperate.
being a garbage man on the worst team in the league is disappointing but dude has time

But doing worse than Michael Beasley as a rookie.

Moral? Rookie years are shitty arbiters of floppiness.

Also, MKG is having the third best season of all rookies behind Davis and Lillard.

bwhahahaha
god ur plea cops are pathetic most of the times
but ur right
barnes could avg. 20 points next yr and MGK could regress
shit eventually rivers could look like he belongs in the league even
but why wait and see when we could talk definitively bout shit, clown, and plea cop

>Also, MKG is having the third best season of all rookies
>behind Davis and Lillard.
Bradley Beal AND Dion Waiters have looked better this season RIGHT TODAY

And Drummond has definitely been on the come up. I would even argue Sully was having a better rookie campaign before the back injury

If it's ROY, MKG is WAY down the list.

i figured he only got 20 minutes cause he was shooting 20%
got injured pretty bad apparently

HOUSTON (AP) -- Charlotte Bobcats rookie Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was fitted with a neck brace and taken off the floor on a stretcher in Houston after teammate Jeff Taylor collided with him going for a rebound.
Kidd-Gilchrist, the second overall pick in last year's draft, went up to defend Toney Douglas' layup attempt early in the fourth quarter on Saturday night. Taylor swooped in and his right hip connected with the back of Kidd-Gilchrist's head.
Kidd-Gilchrist lay motionless for several minutes. The athletic training staffs from both teams came out to check on him, and the entire Charlotte bench eventually surrounded him.
Medical personnel fit Kidd-Gilchrist with a neck brace and he left the floor on a stretcher. He was taken to a hospital.

like bags said soon as shit start getting shaky with these niggas agenda they hide in the bushes quiet as shit
this post was untouched for 2 months while mgk numbers been dropping and his team been ass

These motherfuckers dont wanna say shit when Barnes is BALLIN! Bags a scary bitch!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5013/gamelog;_ylt=AkyWRa_qQfDLgapnba7enSOkvLYF

now, YOU tell me who the scary bitch you, you moron. i ain't said shit because i haven't needed to say shit. barnes a 9 and 4 ass nigga. why would i comment on that? MKG is at 10 and 6.

so, barnes has a nice game, MKG get concussed and i'm the bitch nigga?

cool, dogg. like i said...you pound for pound the maddest nigga on this board.

You made this thread. You also made the Rivers ROY thread. You also made the Tobacco Road thread. You are taking L's on all of the above.

The funny thing about this is that NO UNC fans fuck with Barnes like that. You keep lying about us cysing him, but the truth is that we all kinda hated on him at UNC and were angry he left w/o proving shit. I think most of us projected him to be average in the NBA, at best.

But go ahead and ride UK guys dicks and continue to be mad at Barnes for being better Rivers and any Dookie not named Kyrie in the last 10 years

now MKG get fucked up and you wanna shit, like barnes stiff hipped ass gonna pull ahead while he out.

dogg, i ain't hate on him because he a UNC dude...i hate on him because he weak as fuck. he just ain't an all-star type dude.

>now MKG get fucked up and you wanna shit

u know damn well this ain't got shit to do with no fucking concussion bwhahahaha
nigga didn't have one the last 3 weeks and he ain't have one when i made my reply, foh
and i wasn't even talking bout you actually
that austin rivers shitted deaded u on barnes for the whole year far as i'm concerned
can't take shit u say bout barnes seriously till the nigga you ANALYZED and campaigned for show up
the fact the OTHER nigga dudes tried to use against barnes is putting up barnes type numbers on a worse team is just icing on the cake
barnes more refined right now then BOTH them niggas
so when he come back after the ASG putting up 14 a night on that playoff push and MGK being the 5th option garbage man on a team gunning for that #1 pick it's gone be talked bout

and rivers has nothing to do with barnes.

barnes a 9 and 4 nigga. and y'all said he'd get shots ahead of klay, my nigga by the way, and he ain't got shit. he a 5 option...'cause he got 5th option talent...just like marv williams stiff ass..and that's who i compared him to...a stiff ass marv jr.

9 and 4, nigga. this ain't one of them subjects where the threads done disappeared and we don't know what was said. i can up all that shit whenever i want. y'all CYSED this nigga and he a lame 9 and 4 ass dude.

and rivers has every thing to do with barnes
u wasn't hyping up MGK for a yr and a half before they got drafted
u own that L and it's directly linked to any of his peers
can't talk about niggas underachieving when ur pride and joy is underachieving even worse
sorry

and the reality is barnes is contributing to a good team in a way that's needed
steph and your man klay get the shots. when klay go 6-14 every other night barnes ain't mad. he playing the role his coach put em in and doing the shit well.
he not even in a position to "take over" the team as it's currently constructed so yall criticisms don't even make basketball sense
MGK and rivers are in situations where they COULD do more. get off barnes dick!

we don't need to keep going back and forth. y'all took an opening to up this. cool. i get it. i wasn't even on this shit no more.

MKG better and i'll just let it play out.

We'll take the dubs!!!! You mad!!!!

He's not better than MKG and all this recalibrating of the expectations that were had for this guy are mindboggling. He's at 9 and 4. That. Ain't. Good.

NONE. 0. ZERO. NONE. You hear me??

Deng gonna lose too you fuckin ho. Go cockride Anthony Davis or some shit. Austin Rivers blows dick. Kyrie is nice but I dont give a FUCK, he's a LOSER. LOSER. He AI, the player you hate.

Your agendas are over . Go switch onto the D-Rose bandwagon like the dickrider that you are. You MAD AS FUCK. Barnes >> ALL DOOKIES HAHAHHAAHHAHA AND WE DONT EVEN RIDE FOR HIM!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

But ignoring the other 20 or so games in between?

That's why this shit didn't interest me. Barnes isn't as good as MKG. Not in HS, not in college, not in the NBA.

This is a dead point.

MKG is struggling and his numbers are STILL better than Barnes.

MKG is playing on a team where just about everyone has a low hoops i.q. and his numbers are STILL better than Barnes.

And its not just a few numbers. It's ACROSS THE BOARD.

as for that other Basaglia post about Barnes though ...

shit ur mind made up before the AS break of year 1 lol
just ignore the uppage and let your bol shine over the long haul if u think he better
why u getting insecure every time barnes fans celebrate his good games
appreciate ur man hustling for his lotto team and let that be that
somebody in here said he needs like 5 yrs to fully develop anyway right?
don't be pressed
niggas wanted barnes to ball from day one, he don't get a maturation period apparently. we gotta up these shits, amiright

I actually like MKG a lot...and I was always frustrated with Barnes at UNC so it's not like I ride or die for him.

My only beef is with Basa's gayass dickridng and his disgusting inconsistencies when it comes to all his agenda's. Shit is pathetic.

I KNOW why your dumb ass mind. FOH.

I see you bitch. You lose. Go dickride UK players like the Dookie ho you are.

I'm full out war against you now for waiting all day to reply until 4th quarter of the SB like the markass bitch that you are.

>I see you bitch. You lose. Go dickride UK players like the
>Dookie ho you are.
>
>I'm full out war against you

*stops reading*

nigga, you a bamma.

and your pros are sorry. ty lawson your best guy? awesome.

Be MAD

than their suck-ass record indicates. Is it the shoes?

Their younger players have some upside (MKG, Kemba, Hendo, etc) but damn if they don't have some of the All-Time Dunce Crew on their team, LOL...

Tyrus, Ben Gordon, Haywood, Mullens... LMAO at some of that roster

MKG ain't score in double figures in 7 games

Him and AD need to come back from these non-shooting hand injuries though, but not rush it.

http://tlorc.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/whats-wrong-with-michael-kidd-gilchrists-jump-shot/

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1376-Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist

4 more ppg.

Lol....like really?

And that's only right today.

So, that's your win?

*rimshot*
i forgot who was working with him in the offseason but someone close to the bobcats organization was saying how horrible dudes jumper still was
he just may never be a scorer
ceiling may be a poor mans iggy or something
stat sheet got more 6s than 1st grade (c) jay

lol

I'd still say this is far from over-- MKG has always been a "higher ceiling" guy, which often translates to "project." I thought he'd be a little better than he has been, so Barnes has been better early, but this wasn't about who has the better beginning to the career, but the career as a whole.

I'm almost serious about Plumlee too. He's been great in his first opportunities with minutes-- better than Barnes or MKG in their earliest games (chalk that up to age or size, but still).

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231125/Bobcats-Could-Make-Kidd-Gilchrist-Available-In-Trade-Talks



Win

Solid uppage.

career is a L on some top 5 TRob shit
well see what happens


"Kidd-Gilchrist has struggled to develop his jumper to make a strong impact in the NBA"

lol

talent development.

deserves an uppage


I bet the Bobcats front office is wishing they drafted the kid from right in their own backyard instead

Call me crazy....But I think if Mr. 8 and 4 were starting for a shaky team like the CATS, he would be in double figures every night...

that argument is so dumb it ain't worth acknowledging
never mind the fact it's 13 and 4 this year :)

So elite that he has back to back games of 8 and 4 and a season average of 13.

barnes could put that up if he was the #1 or maybe even #2 scoring option on a team as opposed to the 4th
smh, so mad

2.) He would have to get more shots than Jefferson.
3.) There is ZERO evidence that Harrison would put up those numbers.

You thirsty as shit for a win, huh?

a stat where they took the players stats and stretched them out over a timeframe such as Per 36 minutes.

I can't reiterate this shit enough to you dudes. I know MKG is gonna be just fine. And it'd be best if they traded him to a better situation.

But y'all having a blast of Barnes mediocre and eerily similar stats is just bizarre.

On top of being a lie, Harrison Barnes shares the ball with multiple all-star caliber players

13-4 on a team that talented is fine. Charlotte however, is terrible, and lucky to have played what looks to be the leagues easiest schedule so far with most of their wins coming from MIL, CLE, PHI, and NYK.

Now I don't have a horse in this race because neither one of these dudes will ever be more than supporting cast, but at least be honest.

See reply 192 as to why I keep repeating "8 and 4"

>On top of being a lie, Harrison Barnes shares the ball with
>multiple all-star caliber players
>
>13-4 on a team that talented is fine. Charlotte however, is
>terrible, and lucky to have played what looks to be the
>leagues easiest schedule so far with most of their wins coming
>from MIL, CLE, PHI, and NYK.
>

It doesn't really matter. Harrison's numbers are gonna come back down from his current averages. And then, you will as you're doing now come up with reasons as to why they've come down along with excuses as to why MKG's numbers are what they are.

>Now I don't have a horse in this race because neither one of
>these dudes will ever be more than supporting cast, but at
>least be honest.

If you don't care, why are you in the post? What have I been dishonest about?

MKG is going to be just fine. If he gets around or on a team with complete basketball players, he'll be even better.

But to sit here and pretend that Harrison Barnes numbers are that much better than MKG's or that he's played better than MKG is bizarre.

The rest of that is all a maybe and hinges on MKG learning how to shoot

He'll be fine if he never becomes a knockdown shooter. He does so many other things well and can change the game from the defensive end.

which is what this post is all about to begin with, right?


MKG is a solid defender. I watched the youtube link floating around of him guarding Bron - he did as well as to be expected early in that game. Teams always need a guy with his length who can defend.


but as it stands today Barnes is the better player not because of ppg/apg lines; He's a more complete player than MKG right today.


Barnes is a MUCH better shooter


his bball IQ is higher. He understands how to fit into a system.


more athletic


defense is about equal - could go either way there.



I could go into stuff like the lower assist to turnover ratio thing too, but imma chill

I don't need to hear, "I watched a clip on YouTube."

Lol.....you dudes are dumb as fucking rocks with your weak analysis.

>I don't need to hear, "I watched a clip on YouTube."
>
>Lol.....you dudes are dumb as fucking rocks with your weak
>analysis.


I was bigging up mkg there. The clip shows every heat possession and how well mkg played bron.


But u can carry on with your great vengeance and furious anger

by watching YouTube clips is what I don't have time for. And you following it up with your dickhead analysis was only the icing on the cake.

y'all don't do it for duke's players and i don't do it for UNC guys. jabari could end up on the heat and 13ppg would be absolutely unacceptable.

Nor do I have any preference for Duke or UNC. As a Michigan fan and GT grad I have multiple reasons to hate both.

If he's less than what he was projected to be at 17 (and he certainly is), personally that doesnt move my needle in any direction.

The fact that a #2 pick is on the block halfway through his rookie season is mildly interesting no matter who it is...but only mildly.

>The fact that a #2 pick is on the block halfway through his
>rookie season is mildly interesting no matter who it is...but
>only mildly.

Not much rhyme or reason to their management

http://youtu.be/uBSrP7ub6VA

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harklma01.html

Lets get that out the way right quick

fortunately for MKG the bobcats didn't get evan turner like they were trying to do. he might have been coming off the bench behind him otherwise
this will have to be a debate for another year i guess :(

where he can blossom.

Tony Parker in the playoffs 2 years ago. And he bricked his 2nd season.

But MKG didn't play that well either and last year was their one and only opportunity to get some shine.

And it's gonna go down as the last time they have an opening to get at MKG. His confidence is up and he's letting the jumpers fly. That's half the battle.

barnes just not gonna be a star.

lol

winning

good enough for me
they invested in him now and he going make them strides given the environment
just a waiting game at this point

team like Charlotte

They're both role players and the "better" one will always probably depend on what your team needs.

Mark Jackson had him coming off the bench, and it fucked with his confidence last year. He needs to play with a pg who can get him the ball. Wasn't happening with Jackson's dumbass hockey substitutions.



this year, Kerr put him in the starting line up and asked him to do what he does best: rebound, spot up and slash to the rim.

3 pt and FG % are both up

i like(d) mark jackson
but it's really starting to look like he was holding some of the players back

More than one way to succeed in this league as it turns out

and he's managed to do that...easily.

He's 3 and D wing who can guard a lot of 4's, has been great on the catch and shoot, and can finish at the rim. He's replaceable if you got a bunch of money under the cap. Look at the contract Khris Middleton is gonna sign this summer and he's not as good as Barnes. He'll never be a star but he's the type of player that every team in this league is trying gather more of.

Still makes this post kind of silly. MKG is developing into the same type of valuable role player only with more D and rebounding. MKG still got to get a little further with his shot but both guys are gonna have long careers, make a bunch of money and help teams win games.

He is not developing into a role player where Harrison has comfortably settled into. He has a much higher ceiling.

Harrison is solid. He was supposed to be a star though he is not. And will not become a star. There are other players that are solid that help teams win (Jae Crowder, Demare Carroll) every team needs them. So no, there is nothing wrong with what Harrison is.

I voted for him in the original poll. But saying he's better now because he has a higher ceiling is kind of dumb as hell.

And that's huge. We wouldn't have won these last two series without that.

And that makes him a good player.

Klay or steph not hitting?

Let's find HB on a cut or open three. And he's performed. Game after game


I'm not sure what these cats are watching

to hell with being a well rounded player i guess

This whole agenda is to be about shit college scouts said about him while he was in high school and where he decided to go to school. And obviously I could give two shits about all that. I know he's a key piece on a team in the Finals that could win in it all. And he's a piece that's going to be on the team for a while (no-brainer we re-sign him this off-season). So I think I'm going to let the bammas bamma from here on out.

And has ice water in his veins in big time playoff games

like, i was so over this shit that i don't feel the need to be petty when he goes scoreless in playoff games. but, y'all so starved to cyse this hugely disappointing nigga and recalibrate his narrative that i see i'm gonna have to be petty and point out when he doesn't average 15ppg or 6 rpg, which is...EVERY YEAR!

.

y'all niggas get so mad when i be right about something.

barnes wack and klay a star. predictable...for me anyway.

He's still decent, a very solid role player.

Which means he's still not even close to what he was supposed to be.


Shruganomics.

MKG wishes he was in Barnes shoes right now

Tho he's better than Barnes, he cant rise above Kemba and Lance?

Is this what youre saying?

that was easy...got anymore?

he plays with Steph and Klay.

If Barnes success is predicated on playing with superstars
MKG's shouldnt be looked at any differently
because he obviously isnt gonna win anything until he plays with real superstars

Yall tryna have it both ways

You discredit Barnes because he plays with superstars
while at same time wantin MKG to play with superstars so he can shine

*shrug*

Btw, all screen names are aliases.

Barnes is essentially the 6th or 7th best player on his team. He walked into the absolutely perfect situation to coast on. There are 30 other marginal wings that could be doing what he is doing (or better) for the Dubs.

MKG is the better player, the numbers support this. His impact defensively is among the best in the entire league, and his offense is coming around (and other than the 3, is just as good as Barnes').


So in other words, no.

If you think Barnes success is predicated on playing with better players
what do you think MKG's success is gonna be predicated on?
He's not carrying any team on his back anytime soon.

MKG is clearly the better player
but is it that hard to give Barnes credit?

Barnes got dem patches!!!

the real question should be

if Barnes was playing on a perennial lottery team

wouldn't you expect his #s to go up

but his numbers compared to MKG's are damn near identical (those 2 rebs mean something)

while he fills a role on a winner.

>if Barnes was playing on a perennial lottery team
>
>wouldn't you expect his #s to go up

More points per game, more boards, better defense.

People seem to be determining who is better based on the talent surrounding them.

This isn't to say Barnes is a bum. As I said in the Justivity post, he's Calbert Cheaney. He's not quite where peak Cheaney was yet, but he might still get there. MKG still has the higher ceiling, and he continues to improve... and since MKG is already better than Barnes at everything except jump shooting (he'll never be a better jump shooter than Barnes), his odds at having the better career are still exceptionally high.

so, now that's supposed to be GOOD ENOUGH?

I'm not joking. MKG, by not being on the Warriors, was more of a net positive for the Warriors than Barnes was tonight.

He's been prolly the most consistent warrior all playoffs

But yeah go head and up
After one game lol Christ this is dumb

AS THE 5TH OPTION on a team with 2 All-NBA guards to take the pressure off him.

Literally being ignored in this series. Every shot he took last night was wide open.

"Most consistent."


Lol! The lengths his defenders go to for this kid...

But dude's catch feelings when I up it.

Cats talk about this dude like he's Dennis Scott. He be wide open. Shooting duds.

peja he is not.

oh-fer-ate and don't treat it like an aberration because dude was zero for nine in Game 3 against the Rox, too.

i seen him ball out once maybe twice in these 'offs (game 5 against houston and then i guess that game they lost to memphis where the splash bros were cold). other than that dude gets his little 10 and 5. whooptydamndo. if he was a real player he'd be seizing opportunities here, teams are basically daring him to beat them. thank god the dubs have iggy playing aggressively right now.

fixed it for you

you can literally pick a player on GS today to fry

the attempt to spin this as a W for an MKG agenda is hilarisad.

you look at curry, iggy, thompson, as a trio they shot about 50% and made some big defensive plays, particularly iggy. david lee also had a really good game.

if i were to point to guys who let them down, draymond (foul trouble, general struggles) and barnes would head the list.

you're proving my point

see it yet?

.....

Barnes gets the last laugh.
MKG gets to watch the parade.
How sweet it is!!!