finals are over. people happy (duke fans, lebronians, knick haters, etc.). lotta people mad (they know who they are...they the ones reading this and mumbling "whatever..i ain't mad. what i got to be mad about?")...BECAUSE YOU MAD, SUCKA!

anyway...

time to go on record about the next crop of players whose NBA adventures will be making us happy or making us pretend to not be mad.

let's get it...

i think he'll max out as a camby-type dude. never will be a "star"...just a solid pro.

not dumb enough to be a stromile type. to me, camby is the ceiling and the floor for him

Consistent leader in rebounds, blocks, DPOY votes.

Considering that Nerlens was better his freshman year than Camby was his freshman year, that leads me to believe that if he can stay on the court, he should be better than Camby. I think Noel can score more points per game than Camby generally did in the pros.

He can absolutely do Camby's 12 boards per game, 3 blocks per game, defensive stronghold in the paint, 9-12 points per game. I think with work he could become more of an offensive presence than Camby really was at the pro level.

Worst case in reality obviously is darker than that, I just mean in a world presuming health and no coach/roster issues, what he can accomplish. His basement is pretty goddamn high in my book.

Nerlens will be lucky to be that good.

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Honestly.

If that knee comes all the way back? Yep.

>Considering that Nerlens was better his freshman year than
>Camby was his freshman year, that leads me to believe that if
>he can stay on the court, he should be better than Camby. I

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>i think he'll max out as a camby-type dude. never will be a
>"star"...just a solid pro.
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>not dumb enough to be a stromile type. to me, camby is the
>ceiling and the floor for him

Maaaad skinny with injury concerns at 18? Limited offensive skills? Just not seeing anything special about dude

He could guard 3-5 once he puts more weight on.

One of the best defenders I've seen play at Kentucky. And better on that end than Anthony Davis.

He'll be a good passer from the jump in the NBA.

(Yep, that will never not be funny.)

lol

camby as a youngster, and defensive specialist theo as an old guy.
he is going to have a few ridiculous block games when it's all said and done. 8-14-11 type games. and some where he's a non factor.

good pro.

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as it is.

I think Noel will be a lot like Serge Ibaka, personally. Weakside shot blocker, pogo stick on the glass and a guy with some untapped offense but not too too much

Agreed. Great starter, not a #1 guy.

I never got the hype. Probably one of the worst #1 recruit in 8 yrs. His offense is like Greg Oden minus the lumbering dunk finish.

Floor: Greg Oden (what his career has been, not skillset).

If he lands somewhere in the middle, he'll be a Tyson Chandler type player but evolved (more of a floor runner, hustle guy than Tyson).

Unlike Stro/Tyrus and them, Nerlens likes to play ball. He's been doing ball-handling drills and Freethrows ever since he got off crutches. The boy wants to beast out and understands how. He's not going to be a 20/game dude but I bet that he's getting an easier 18/game at 25 than most big men. His D is going to be amazing though. Great foot slide on the pick and roll, great weakside help. If he can get strong enough to not let people get in his chest then he's 18-10 and a cross between Ibaka and Marc Gasol.

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nm

Obviously his circumstances could speed or slow this (please God not Charlotte or Sacramento), but he has the talent to be in line behind James Harden (Kobe done by year 3, Wade effectively done). I fully expect at least 18 PPG by year 3.

I wanna see how that whole roster shakes out in the coming season or two.

Already showing up to camp out of shape, not a good look. Most talented player in the draft, might need an ideal situation to avoid bustin out.

given his background, anyone who parties off any failures for this dude can go to hell.

but, uh, yeah, i just think he's got too much going against him to succeed. maybe finds some life late in his career in a jason terry/mavs type role, where he might be overqualified. but as a starter/franchise building block, hell no.

where he will fit in as a pro but doesn't have positional identity problem, just style and shaping stuff. i think he will be a very, very good player. should be an all-star level guy, not sure about all-nba.

Will be a disappointment, but will stick in the league.

Good shooter off the bench, you could start him in a pinch, but that won't win you many games.

Yall talkin top 5. lol. On his own team maybe he will be top 5 Guard.

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and the J ain't as pure but I think he can get close if he works on it.

Maybe an evolved/healthy version of Allen Houston.

He also has what O_E would call Nyquil potential. I see a lil Paul George in him. But if he became very aggressive, he'd be dangerous.

his athleticism in the first half of his career is so underrated

16-20 per game with no significant boards or assists. Look, we need to stop the damn Ray Allen comps. Ray had a handle, he was great off the bounce from jump. Will Ben ever get to the point where he can leverage his J to get to the rim at ease like Ray was doing from 2001-2009?

I don't think he has the focus to defend either. I see a lot of empty buckets coming from this dude. Unless he ends up on a team with a great coach and pg, then he might be Mitch Richmond-esque with his. (Early mitch, Golden State Mitch)

but its something i cant really trust abt african hoop cats

outside of dream they disappoint a lil

i guess im saying he could ball out or flame out, but i dont see him just being a average bench warmer cat, either star or d league


does it even matter?

He's the type of talent with the type of work ethic you just don't question. Scary effective at putting the ball in the hoop, scores in a variety of ways, chooses his 3s carefully and generally makes them, and a stud of a defender for the most part.

Worst case scenario: Tony Allen with a better offensive skill set, which most teams would love to have at the 2. The type of guy it wouldn't surprise me to see make at least one All-Star team, and honestly, if he ended up pushing Top 5 SGs in the league, I wouldn't be surprised either. One of those guys with a pretty high basement whose ceiling could keep growing over the next several years the more time he has in the league.

i think he'll max out at 15 ppg but he'll shoot a high percentage and after a while be a perennial all defense guy.

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I just cant see him NOT being productive in some form.

The dude is a beast, love this guy. He and Zeller had me pulling for Indiana, whom I typically despise. Great length, great quickness, explosive, smart, really he is a near complete package. There will be Iggy comparisons, I can see that for him but to me that is like the mid-range of his potential. He could be a really good one.

just don't see him droppin 20 at any time.

he could adapt but overall i think he doesn't score in enough different ways consistently to do it in the pros. but his defense and ability to get out in transition are so attractive that it doesn't matter. i'd gladly spend a top ten pick on him

were within 3 feet of the rim. doubt it'll be like that in the nba for him if he's trying to score > 15 or so points. but a kawhi leonard type of player in that hustle/defend/fight style. still remember how mad some locals were that georgtown didn't recruit him harder. i thought they were being normal fans bitching about hoya recruiting because that's what that board does, but i was wrong on this one.


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he needs to be deadly from the corners and, if possible, the elbow/elbow extended.

basically he needs to be in a position to slash and he wont be able to do it if people dont respect his shot.

if he can reach the point where people run him off that corner trey, he is going to be trouble. hard close out and PYOON, drive the baseline and score from in close.

so i dont think he needs to turn into ray allen, he just needs to have a couple spots on the perimeter where he's very comfortable to automatic. that will open up his game. i feel like he's working on that.

Oladipo puts in work. so if he can get those couple spots, he'll be good. and i suspect he will.

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You have to be TRANSCENDANT or physically dominant to put up 20+ regularly. Only 9 dudes avg'ed 20/game this year. As opposed to even 06 when 22 dudes put those numbers up. Team defenses are too good. Volume scorers can't exist successfully anymore unless you're Kobe/Bron good at getting buckets. If you can score opportunistically and pass the ball well you're more valuable as a player. That's why I can't rock with BMac as much

Josh Howard from his Dallas days with his head on straight. Better defender. Solid starter. Can overachieve based on his work ethnic.

One of my top 3 players in the draft. Because he is aggressive unlike Porter, Mclemore and the Centers.

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and by that, I mean he'll need to focus HARD on developing there.

The good thing is, I think he has it in him to do so.

At worse he'll be a Tony Allen type stopper/specialist.

But if he works hard to develop his offensive game the first 2-3 yrs, I could see him as a D-Wade light.

21/6/4 is very attainable in his prime if so. If not, he prolly gonna be a career 10/6/3 type player.

A guy who can defend three positions, nail 3s and score at a high percentage, strong ballhandler for his size? Sheeeeit. In the right position (Cleveland, Washington), we're talking instant 12-14 ppg, 6 rpg. Perennial starter. Hard to say where he ranks among SFs with so many current studs and young skilled guys coming up, but with the right team around him, he should be pushing entering the top 10 SF by year 3 at latest (that sounds less impressive, but right today that's like Parsons/Leonard/Batum range, aka pretty goddamn good).

he'll make multiple ASGs with young rie.

Damn sure won't be SF in the East

There aren't a set number of small forwards... you know that, right?

You want to go on record that Otto will make MULTIPLE ASG's at the SF, fine...

you just put him at 12-14 ppg with Rie's non passing ass...

SMH

I am sure that will get the coaches vote...

Bron, Deng, Melo, George, Pierce...and Otto



Right

As you would know if you'd read what I wrote.

I just wanted to know if you knew how All-Star voting works. There could be as many as 5 SFs in the East every year. You're also assuming he goes East, when if he falls out of the Top 4 (unlikely IMO but certainly possible if Washington is high on Len/Bennett), he'd likely be in the West.

that is just life for a GTown player these days.

i already made the mistake of backing off monroe after his last year at gtown, i am not making that again. this dude is going to be a very solid player.

gonna be hated, numbers probably won't be great as a rookie and people are gonna jump off his bandwagon and then those people will feel like complete fucking morons when he is a top 2 or 3 player on a championship contender.

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I don't know how good he is. Jerseytornado rides for him. K-Badd rides for him.

I haven't watched any Georgetown games in years. The only time I've seen him play was the 1st round of this year's tourney.

floor: Ariza
ceiling: prime Odom

>floor: Ariza

Other than Noel the most can't miss prospect. Early ROY candidate.

quality is disappearing.

Gtown has had the bizarro Iverson star player since he left. He must've destroyed that campus.

and let me preface any response you have with: you're fucking wrong, you fucking idiot.

he had a bad game against fgcu and once in 3 games vs. cuse (after stealing their soul in the dome and then keying keeping them to 39 points in the final big east regular season game between the two) and ...?
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and led the team in boards and steals, second in blocks

but other than that you're right

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and probably the worst 1 point game in the history of sport

that or the temple/hoya game a couple years back to start the season that was 46-45 and was played at 4 pm on a weekday. hoyas lost a 12 point lead in that game. IT ENDED 46-45!

we've had some clunkers. and that's not including the fucking ncaa tourney games. sigh.

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U see a star? I dont. U see a 2nd or 3rd option? 3rd maybe.

I see a guy who is reluctant and a scrap player. He is a SF with no handle, that's a death wish.

He is a luxury pick for a playoff team. But he will be going to a team where he needs to be the 1st or 2nd option.


I only count big games and games against ranked teams. He was avg in all but 1 game vs ranked teams, the game vs the Cuse. We all the know the Cuse give you the three all day and he got hot. But what happen in the other games vs the Cuse? What did he do in the tourney, please remind me? I must've missed him making a statement when everyone was watching.

>I only count big games and games against ranked teams. He was
>avg in all but 1 game vs ranked teams, the game vs the Cuse.

yeah, he sucked against ranked teams. He didn't do shit against UCLA (nope! ranked!)
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=323240046
he really sucked against ND:
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330210087
don't know how we beat Lville when he was invisible with his 17/12:
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330260046
this game didn't help us win the big east at all:
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330420046

fam, stay saying dumb shit about him. it's fun to add to the group of people who are gonna be so wrong and so mad in a few years.

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You're so sensitive you didn't mention anything about the big stage accusation. FOH until you give me your excuse for the tourney.


And the shit you posted was 17/18/21?????? Those are the high games and you're hype about that?

What about the absolute shit games he had against the Cuse? 10 pts and 12 pts? That's embarrassing. That 15 vs IU. cmon

>You're so sensitive you didn't mention anything about the big
>stage accusation. FOH until you give me your excuse for the
>tourney.

he had a shit game against FGCU. shit happens.

>And the shit you posted was 17/18/21?????? Those are the high
>games and you're hype about that?

lol @ not mentioning rebounds, assists, steals. FOH.

>What about the absolute shit games he had against the Cuse? 10
>pts and 12 pts? That's embarrassing. That 15 vs IU. cmon

word? shit game? the team was beasting on cuse so he didn't have to score. he let others score because the entire defense was focused onhim. and georgetown plays a slow offense so he won't put up 20 or 30 often because the team doesn't put up >70 often. smfh.


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Not sure about his floor.

What happened to the Knicks that would make Knick haters
happy?

Oh and I found these:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/10/28/nba-preview-2012-13-crystal-ball/index.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1317934-25-bold-predictions-for-the-2012-13-nba-season/page/8

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I don't want this thread derailed.

>I don't want this thread derailed.

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but i am too lazy to find it

hilarious that NO ONE there took them, all lakers and thunder. lmao@ anyone who took the lakers. thunder was a solid pick, i guess.

Big, fairly mobile, decent hands, solid defender. Would love him as a backup to Asik in houston, but we dont have a first rd pick.

Totally fine, totally unspectacular, maybe a standout season or two in the right system. Serviceable on defense, rebounds, putbacks. Will in all likelihood be one of those guys coming off the bench a decade from now as people go, "he's still around? goddamn." That's not an insult, btw. That's just his role and what he'll likely do.

then you lose. a lot.

and turn into a very respectable pro

With that body, dude could become a well-balanced big in a league where they tend to be either scorers or defenders. I love that guy's ceiling. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being worth more than his draft selection spot (depending where picked-- if he goes #1, that's a statement I can't back up, LOL).

i meant very respectable to be a compliment, like i said i would compare his ceiling to that of hibbert. hibbert is a top 5 center in the ene beh ah.

High chance of being a bust. Would let somebody else draft him.

Really just a body. But you need footers to at least get in the way on the way to the basket and finish dump off passes with dunks.

Granted, that was the first game of the season and I never watched Maryland play again.....but yeah.

He looked more than solid in that game. Very polished.

floor: mike sweetney seems more like a floor. but then again, that'd be a wide range from sweets to motivated rogers. lol.

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He's too talented.

i would say he's a player with a somewhat limited ceiling but may or may not a clear role either. that's not a player i'd invest heavily in. again i could be wrong here

as a hs'er I was high on him. then I think his senior year he got nicked up a bit. I'm always wary of the adonis who keeps getting hurt.

I actually thought pothyress would be the one to expand his game more their freshman year, cause all bennett did was dunk on cats. HARD. that part I like.

But one season of facing up and I'm supposed to buy him as stretch 4? After what we just went through w/ derrick williams? nuh uh.

this is the one Im sure will go exactly the opposite of what I wrote.

@chadfordinsider: Bennett 18lbs overweight rt now at 261lbs.

yeah, good luck with that

Obviously dude is offensively gifted... but his defense is SO poor. Granted, I only watched UNLV three or four times last year, but I'm not talking defensive lapses. I'm talking about the other offense getting down the floor, starting to execute their offense... and THEN Bennett comes jogging into position! He makes David Lee look like Bill Russell defensively.

Which leads me to questions about work ethic and consistency. I saw at least two games against ranked teams where he must have shot the ball single digit times (don't have the box scores in front of me, but that's how it felt), and he absolutely deferred the entire time. I'm not talking Otto Porter deference (which never really happened) or Ben McLemore deference (which would happen for stretches within a game occasionally, but doesn't really concern me overall)-- I'm talking hard core not giving a shit.

At a certain point, his talent requires you to draft him and hope he comes along. But Christ, he'd scare me if I'm a fan of a team with picks 3 through 5.

Nice bigman off the bench probably, low chance of something more. Would not draft in Top-10.

In fact he is not good enough to waste time figuring out who he compares to. 6'7" soon to be 280lb dump truck.

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If he works hard, he'll be in shape and that'll negate a lot of the injuries he might have. And he'll have allstar potential.

If he bullshits, lives the 'star' life and tries to skate on his talent, he'll end up Andre Blatche pre-nets.

I think he will. Would love for us to draft him.

... but in this case, the hip thing to say probably isn't far off. In fact, if he put up 17 points and 5 and a half dimes shooting around 50% in a playoff season, the way Jameer did his best year? That would surprise the shit out of me. So a Jameer ceiling is a pretty best-case scenario, probably even higher than my expectations.

If paired with the right offense, he could start. Detroit would be a great place for him for a number of reasons (good frontcourt means inside-out basketball, he'd be asked to pop 3, Michigan fans make him an instant home-crowd favorite).

I still tend to think he's more of a backup-on-a-good-team/starter-on-a-bad-team guy in the majority of situations.

to me nelson would be a fair "middle" comparison at best. he's definitely got a way higher ceiling than the pro nelson turned out to be. maybe he had the same ceiling as nelson had entering the league, OK, but he has more upside.

first of all, he's not as small as nelson and he's also longer. he has much better shooting range and a more reliable shot overall. he does not scream DEFENSIVE LIABILITY at the pro level at this point.

so, no, the hip thing to say is not the right thing to say. i've got my doubts on burke, but i am pulling for him and the way he gets shit on this board is funny. it shows, once again, that ba has serious influence lol.

I think cysing a small guard in the past made people underrate Burke. Whether TJ, Flynn (guilty), Jameer, or whomever.

Jameer's best season was 17 PPG, 5.5 APG, over 50% shooting, and starting on a playoff squad. You think Burke can definitely do better? Because I don't think so. So I don't think saying Jameer's best is as high as Burke can get is a bad thing-- for a guy not terribly highly ranked leaving high school, that'd be one fucking hell of an accomplishment. If he does any better than that nowadays, he's looking at trying to elbow his way into PG Warz, which I just don't think he will do, personally.

Every guy is his own guy. Positional fit is the only thing that makes me weary, combo forwards who can't shoot for example or small guards who cannot play the point.

I think Burke has way too much going for him to shit on outright. I wouldnt necessarily root for my team to pick him where he is going to go, but I would pull for his success with whatever team did pick him, and I'd expect at least a modest level of it.

Basically I think the guy will be a starter. How good of a starter, eh, hard to say. I would say his floor would be like a Bayless and his ceiling might be a B Grade Tim Hardaway Sr.

For a dude of Trey Burke's size to have a Jameer-esque career is a hell of an accomplishment.

obviously i have mad love for jameer. i would ride for the big five guys like you do the UK guys, if only there were more of them.

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Ty Lawson, n/m. Solid starter at worst.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2202140&mesg_id=2202140&page=1#2202171

A quality backup for a good team, a starter for a bad team.

I can't really call who will be the better pro... but I think it's closer than most people realize.

larkin to me doesn't have quite as high of a ceiling but because he wont be a super high pick, i think he has less bust potential. more time to develop and more reasonable standards are likely in store for him.

i also like him as the leader of a second unit and an energy guy a whole lot. if he settles into that, hey, he will be great at it. burke might be, but he seems like someone who wants to shoulder a big load and who just might be able to.

>...BECAUSE YOU MAD, SUCKA!

I don't know if it's a good or bad thing. But once Chernic starts talking to dudes like she's Aunt Esther, I might have to log off for a couple of days.

and Nenad was GOOD.

at his worst, a dunk test dummy, towel waver.

nenad would be like a middle shot for him, i think he could be pretty good. nice mobility, hands and motor, he's more polished with a higher upside than most bigs to straggle along recently.

i don't think he will be a huge ass star, but i'd be somewhat excited if philly grabbed him, for example. it all depends on who else is on the board, but right now, i would like him in that spot in terms of potential and positional need.

The easiest way to slow him in college was to bang in the post against him. Threw him off 95% of the time. Harder to accomplish in college, but NBA bigs will be able to bang more easily against him.

Without an adjustment and a desire to fix that big time weakness, he's no more than someone who could start as, like, a 4th or 5th man at absolute best. If he learns how to play more physically, he could become a really valuable commodity quickly, cuz he moves well, works hard, and has pretty good touch and short jumpers for a guy his size.

2nd best bigman in the draft after Noel.

He's a natural rebounder so he has LA beat there.

He should study Ben Wallace's old tapes on D. He has good instincts but needs to get stronger and learn to use that muscle (though he has a decent build so this is natural for him to develop there).

He might not land very close to either guy but if he can combine good skills from both (and I think he has the ability to), he'll be a good pro.

Worst case scenario is he gets muscled around and ends up a Chris Anderson type specialist (spot duty rebounding off the bench) with better offensive ability.

sometimes he seems like a stud in the making, sometimes he vanishes. i know that's common with young players but to me it was striking with him. i know a lot of cuse fans who seemed to question his maturity. i dont know about any of that, i just think he's too inconsistent to really call at this point for me.

If a team tries to start him right away, he may struggle. I'd love for him to come off the bench his first year or two, maybe even be drafted by a team with a veteran PG with a decent jumper who can help him develop that portion of his game.

It's all about that jumper and time. If he can make jumpers consistently? He'll be a big time steal.

dude plays stupid a lot. he's a 6'6 PG project whose shot form is not good. there's a really good bust potential here.

he puts everything together and he's almost what Shaun Livingston was supposed to be--which was something special. but i really don't think it'll happen and not only out of hate, out of watching him nearly lose many, many cuse games with dumb fucking plays. i secretly loved him being one of 'cuse's star players because he'd be just as likely to hurt his team as to help his team.

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2.7 SPG in college is usually a very good sign

we'll see if he's a decent man-to-man defender, but i refuse to rate any 'cuse player as a defender until they've played more than 5 minutes of man to man in a game.

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Shaun had potential to put up what Basa quoted on MCW (15/8/8 type games).

It may take 4 yrs but he 'could' get there.

But he could also get lost in the shuffle and end up D-league fodder.

Can't call it. Depends on his work ethic. There are 3 guys in the lottery I think need to work REALLY hard...well harder than the others...to get where they need to be and MCW is one of them.

This is another guy that I don't really get. He has all the physical tools to excel in really all areas of the game, but often he doesn't. He has the potential to be one of these very valuable wing guys that are strong man defenders, play the lanes, score from different areas and move the ball. But he also seemed pretty flaky to me, and I saw him a fair amount. I think it might be a little while before we really see the player he will become, but he is very promising.

and probably play immediately and probably be a bum early on. even though his talent level might suggest it, he doesnt strike me as a guy who was bored by the college game and is ready to be a better pro. he needs seasoning. i doubt he gets it as a high-ish lotto pick.

rare instance where a guy should be diversifying instead of specializing moving up a level IMO. he could be better at more things for sure.

If you need a guy who won't really defend well and who sure as shit won't pass, but you want points, he's your guy.

Some teams would start him, but I'd absolutely love him as a devastating sixth man.

Not enough that I would let him slip past the lotto, mind you.

Bust.

he'll get buckets, and go to a team where he won't be expected to be a savior.

Best thing I can say is that he'll put up 14 a game
on the worst team in the league.

Kinda like that one nigga who used to play for Memphis
with the hyphenated name was scoring good on the Nets a few
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which will make him a 'scorer' but won't do much else and won't be very efficient.

Will be clutch too. He's not as athletic as Rudy tho.

The Diet Coke Stephen Curry. Devastating on offense, great playmaker, smart player. While I haven't seen him since the injury, so it may take him a year or two to get his legs back under him, I think people are strongly undervaluing him because he's been gone for so much of the year.

Will show out and become that PG from this class. Boy can do it all on the court and with flair.

Plus, it's not like I'm making a huge stretch here. CJ will be in that green room with Trey on Thursday. It's not like I picked Lorenzo Brown or something, lol.

but there is a role out there for him to be a contributor

Dude has been a star since he was a freshman.

Because of the wild successes of Curry and Lillard its easy to see him in a similar light.

Definitely high on him, mainly because he can simply make shots from a variety of ways.


He'll be a good one. Bottom half of the lottery has about as much talent and potential as the top IMO.

He should have a good career how much so just depends on where he lands.

either way i felt like both he and len were picks where their teams went "fuck our needs, this is clearly the best player available." you could throw mclemore into that discussion as well.

Adams needs the right place. He's going to need a couple of years to develop but overall offensively and defensively might have the best upside of these guys if he gets it. Of course thats a big IF. But if he could get drafted to a team like Chicago and learn to play D off the bench under Thibs - he's a guy who can slowly come around and be a pretty good center a la Omer Asik. He has good hands, decent mobility and not just height - but girth you can't teach.


Wish he wouldve stayed one more year in college - but not sure Pitt and Jamie Dixon were the right place for him.

... he's just so goddamn raw. I'd obviously take him lotto if I'm a team that can afford to wait and disperse playing time slowly, build his skill set, his confidence, his footwork, etc.

I too wish he would've waited til next year. He and WCS coulda duked it out for best center in the draft.

can be a solid 10-12 dude on a avg team

Might need to switch over to PF.

He seems to be able to shoot but doesn't lean too heavily on mid range jumpers. He is kind of deceptively un-loppy. He moves decently and he is not super skinny. Like any huge ass white guy, he has a low floor, but I think he could turn out to be an above average athlete with nice size and a wide range of skill. I think his defense needs a lot of work, both technical and attitudinal, but beyond that he looks pretty good.

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i love his game

If he can put on more muscle so he can better bang with guys like Len and his fellow big peers, he'll be a steal where he slips in the draft.

He may not have to be a banger

He sort of reminds me of Rashard Lewis a little bit

he's tragically middle of the road.

Nick Collison-like would be a Godsend for him imo.

Will prolly always have a job cuz he's big but eh.

he's got great touch and good feet. he just not gotta not back down from scary black men and that's so hard for a lotta white guys. either that free spirit gotta be like "man, this ain't worth it...i'll just play for another contract or two and be done by 32 and travel the world"...OR "this is FUN...i love my teammates and i love competing...what a great life...and i get summers off! WHOOOOOOOOOOO!"

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he gonna be an energy guy and a finisher. Mason's gonna be a double double guy by year two.

no way...

dude is limited.... guys like that often don't trasfer that college energy over to being an effective nba player..

Relief for Brook/KG, energy guy, get a feel for the pro game off the bench. Prefer him there than in an "instant big minutes" situation.

He's the best big man at running the floor in the draft. Including Zeller. The energy off the bench will be crazy valuable, and if he can work on his touch and getting a more consistent little 10-12 footer (KG and Lopez will help with this), he can be a quality starter.

He wants to run but the starting 5 will NEVER run so I think Kidd will have the second team running like crazy... He will easily lead the Nets in Dunks this season

in this class i would guess, seemed like an athletic two-way guy from what i did catch. i dunno enough to call it but he is a guy i am keeping an eye on.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if he ends up better than McLemore long term.


I could see him having a Dion Waiters type jump on draft day though.

not as good a shooter as people wanna believe. not worth lottery to me.

Him, Monroe, and Drummond is a bright future in Detroit. I like him to put up double figures right away, if given the minutes (which, considering what they did with Drummond last year, isn't a guarantee).

all he can do it hit, field, throw, run and hit for power. nothing more. just your average five-tool player.

creating for him on the offensive end.

A 3-point specialist with good size. Should consistently shoot 38-42% from the arc in the pros. That's worth an early second rounder.

Not sure his ceiling is any higher than a maybe-double-digit at best specialist type... but as long as his shots beyond the arc fall, he has a decent shot at sticking.

My favorite pg in the draft (I waffle between him and Schroeder). Has a chance to be the best pg in the draft.

The mocks I see all have him falling to the second round, when even though he might need a couple of years, he's absolutely first round talent for me. (One of the mocks I see has him going to the Lakers. Cue LA sprouting one collective boner.)

The weird thing about the PGs in this draft is all the question marks around every one of them. Burke/Larkin's size, MCW's jumper, Kabongo didn't play all the time, McCollum got hurt, Wolters played in a shit conference, Schroeder was overseas so who knows with him, etc. Yet with all of these guys, I could see any of them having the best initial impact, and any of them having the longest career, and any of them having the highest peak. None of it would surprise me.

The fact that Kabongo will be second round and all of those others may be first rounders just goes to show what kind of thievery the team that drafts him will be committing. I think he'll need some time to work on shot selection and a better jumper, but I wouldn't bet against him.

what are you bringing to the table that makes you first round worthy?

he's pass first and fast. that's it? there's other guys that can do that. who we've seen. and have more upside and are worth the risk.

backup at best. i don't like much about him.

There's that.

I mean he doesn't have the IQ or will of a Rondo to make up for his flaws.

the game is about stretching teams out to create space. he can't do that at the point, and even if he can get to the rim, he's probably not gonna be a big finisher in the L..


I'd love to be wrong. I don't dislike him personally, I've just not seen enough in his game to make him a first rounder. no way.

If I'm stacking individual game PG performances this year, Kabongo vs Oklahoma and Baylor would be two of the best. Obviously that doesn't mean he'll be a pro... but plenty of PGs aren't brilliant shooters yet can still score, pass, play aggressive, and make things happen.

And many said that's all Conley would be.

45% from 3 the last two years and an elite distributor

Myck Kabongo will *never* be Jose Calderon

the skills Kabongo needs to acquire to be Jose Calderon are more than what most players can add after 18

Unlike Archie he can be a factor despite the dumb decision to come out early. This guy could've been a lottery pick easy if he stayed in school another year and got the exposure.

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Goodness gracious, Longo

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I know I'm higher than most on Nerlens.

I've been on record since Feb/March saying the top of this draft isn't *as* weak as people say it is. The top four players are worthy prospects of high picks, just not necessarily franchise dudes. It just falls off quickly after that.

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They could use some younger legs on the perimeter, plus he can hit the outside shot.

I think the Clippers should be active in either moving up in the first or buy a second round pick.

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Don't follow much college basketball, but I like this guys game a lot every time I've seen him.

Seems like a good scorer that doesn't make bad decisions and is a more than capable defender/rebounder. Supposed to be a hard worker too.

I'd be happy if the Bulls picked him at 20 (him or Dieng, please no more dookies) and I think he'll surprise a lot of folks.

He's gonna be a nice value if he drops for a playoff team.

He's a bit more of a gun than Harden, but has that awkward/old man game.

He's not as athletic as james though.

>Don't follow much college basketball, but I like this guys
>game a lot every time I've seen him.
>
>Seems like a good scorer that doesn't make bad decisions and
>is a more than capable defender/rebounder. Supposed to be a
>hard worker too.
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>I'd be happy if the Bulls picked him at 20 (him or Dieng,
>please no more dookies) and I think he'll surprise a lot of
>folks.

>He's not as athletic as james though.
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super athlete.

maybe an 8th man.

he won't be that good.

Model minority


Bilas just said "he'll improve your culture" for
crying out loud

White people gonna start using Africans to shit on African
Americans on some "why can't y'all be like them!?!?"

Then a Manny Ramirez type nigga from the Congo gonna
play, be acting REAL niggerish and that shit will STOP

Notice how white people cooled on blacktinos in baseball


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the total opposite.

Too passive. Too nice.

The OKC roster of youths being stashed away in the D-league that will inevitably come to the surface just got bigger.

Roberson is an awesome defender and rebounder, and those two traits alone will help him stick. He's a goddamn ball hawk, crazy fun to watch.

I'm betting in the next year or two they send him to the D-League, he works on his shooting range, and comes back ready to contribute alongside Lamb, Jones, Adams, and them.

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