MMMMMMMMMMHMMMMMM...this my way of gettin everybody LOCKED IN...y'all can make separate threads on the draft or whatever, but this is for MY personal records.

i'm listing all the prospects in this thread...and all you gotta do is reply with your opinion on them. that's all i'm asking. it can be detailed or you can simply say "he gonna be good" or "he gonna be sorry." bottomline is NOBODY is gonna get to pretend they thought someone was good or sorry anymore and have the thread fall outta evidence/existence. nah, dogg. we going on record for real. because bammas on this board STAY LYING!

and if you don't contribute and try to cuban B this thread...GOOD...i don't have to respect or acknowledge your opinion about ANY player from this draft.

AND-0

you just mad.

Easily second option on a playoff team good... but All-Star good and maybe even franchise player good. I'd take him on my team in a heartbeat. Crazy potential.

(By the way, he ain't keepin the unibrow. He's gonna wonder why the other players are all getting TV spots and not him until he plucks that sumbitch.)

but, he's surely a great centerpiece for a team starting over.

early pick for ROY

He won't bust and will be good for a long time, but I don't see him being a franchise guy. He won't dominate the paint like he did in college unless he changes his body significantly. His offensive game also has a ton of room for refinement.

defensively like kg. and looks like he can at least be
solid offensively.

he'll be a defensive presence but he'll never be a 20&10 guy or a go to scorer.

Has shown the ability to hit the jumper and handle the ball on face-ups as well. Great timing defensively, needs to get stronger up top.

obviously without just stipulating he'll have camby's longevity.

He won't be as good at shooting, passing, or ballhandling (where KG was almost guard-like in his prime), but he'll make a similar impact on the defensive end and be very solid on the boards as well. Multiple time All Star. Probably avgs 18 or so in his prime.

dude has handle yo

a guard w/pretty much no D1 offers. folks keep playing it up & while I think he will be a very skilled big man, it aint like he was CP3 and just grew 8inches.

Not a Franchise player in the traditional sense, but will become a solid player on the offensive end based on his quickness and shooting touch.

If he plays the 3, he'll be giving your favorite wing scorer fits.

>If he plays the 3, he'll be giving your favorite wing scorer
>fits.

so you think he can defend people like Kobe, Lebron, KD, and Carmelo out on the floor?

cuz he can post.

He's going to struggle with the strength of NBA players for a year or two and needs to improve his offense but he should be very good.

all-star but not mvp caliber

truth has him a step below that, all-defense but not enough O for all-star

Them is career numbers.

Just like Bogut.


But he'll be healthy
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He won't be an offensive powerhouse

Upside = Larry Nance

Downside = Tyrus Thomas


I question if he's an Alpha male who will be able to take control instead of being just a complimentary player


He will be a beast on the low post D and may end up gaining weight and being a Camby like center in the future but he will still get banged by bamma ass Al Jefferson types

Can be the number one on a chip contender but will probably have to be in a situation similar to what KG had in Boston. I worry about whether he'll be able to consistently get high percentage opportunities with that frame. Will he become just a pick and pop big man jump shooter and alley oop finisher on the offensive end? Also, Bismack (whatever his last name is) dominated Davis physically in that US v. the World game a year ago. Davis was and is clearly better but Bismack was able to knock Davis out of position several times and out position him for boards. All this to say that Davis needs to add a bit a bulk. If he does, he'll be fine and will be able to be a high level shot blocker/rebounder. I expect him to be able to shock people with how good he is on the perimeter as well. I think he'll display similar skills to what we see from KG - maybe not as refined but close.

Anyway....ceiling: KG...floor: Camby.

He's young, but he'll gain more weight to compete w/ the big men
in the league. Already an All-Defensive caliber player, he's
got all the intangibles you could dream of in a No. 1 pick.

Also, lets not forget dude was a gaurd before the growth spurt.
He's got handle, and will develop an quality offensive game
as he grows.

The sky's the limit for this kid.

It ain't easy... but it sho' is fun

The best parts of Ibaka and David West. Multiple all-star games

All-defensive team staple, multiple ASGs. I like the Camby with more offensive potential comparisons.

I can see him picking up where Artest left off around 2004 before he went crazy. He can be that good, because Ron was damn good back then.

Can't miss.

Is he the #1 guy on a playoff contender? Probably not... but he could be a better Iguodala, and Iggy did okay in the playoffs this year.

If he got next to John Wall or Kyrie Irving next fall, and they could have a speedy flashy offense with those two side-by-side, he will legitimately push his teammate for ROY honors.

them bammas just play strong and clumsy

MKG is bigger than Iggy, so it's not a perfect comparison... but Iggy coming out of Arizona vs. MKG coming out now? Give me MKG all day.

even close to doing anything like that.

Not that it's easy to do, cuz it isn't, and one of them came against a ranked Texas team, but the others were against super shitty Liberty and super shitty UCLA (where he shot under 20% for the game).

As a freshman, he played off the bench of a stacked Arizona team and got nothing close to a triple double.

I like Iggy a lot. And the comparison isn't perfect due to MKG's bigness. But to say MKG at age 18, who started for the best team in the country and did plenty of playmaking, isn't as good as Iggy was at the same age, when Iggy couldn't even start for a team that flamed out... is unwise. In my humble opinion.

don't average 5 assists in college. MGK had more than 5 assists in a game ONCE.

I already said the Iggy comparison wasn't perfect. Different roles in the offense in college, different strengths. Who the fuck looks at MKG and says, "If only he'd get 5 dimes a game"? lol

I said MKG at 18 is better than Iggy at 18. Which is unequivocally true in both box scores and simply watching games.

I personally think he's a bigger and probably better Iggy. You disagree. Cool.

skill set was way ahead of MKG's.

MKG is just a bamma that plays hard, that's good enough to be a 4th option on a national championship squad in today's NCAA but guys like him are a dime a dozen in the NBA, that dude is LONG way from being an All-Star.

His body control is incredible, his work rate and willingness is incredible. Love his game.

Ideally he's the 3rd best player on a contender but he's gonna be one of them cats who's always on winning teams. Upside is probably a little less high than your typical top 5 pick but you're paying for probability here... I am 98% sure he is not going to be sorry (barring injury, of course).

>Ideally he's the 3rd best player on a contender but he's
>gonna be one of them cats who's always on winning teams.
>Upside is probably a little less high than your typical top 5
>pick but you're paying for probability here... I am 98% sure
>he is not going to be sorry (barring injury, of course).

They're not going to be on "contenders", they're most likely going to be on shitty teams and as a top 5 pick with a big contract they're going to be expected to be "the guy", not a hustling role-player.

You're right, most of these types of guys don't go til the mid/late 1st - even the most favorable comparison above (Ron Artest) didn't go til the mid 1st, and those early 2000s Bulls teams were horrible. But Ron escaped and has been on winning teams ever since, and the only reason people get down on Iggy is cause he gets paid way too much on a mediocre team. As long as he doesn't get stuck in that NBA purgatory of overpaid "star" on mediocre team, his career will be fine.

(Which isn't to say I'll blame him when he takes an $80 million contract from the Bucks in three seasons, for basketball enjoyment purposes I hope he gets with an up and coming star like Kyrie or a decent team at some point)

Will be a great rebounder from the 3. Will be a key component of a championship team at some point.

Ceiling: a T.O. filiing for bankruptcy Pippen
Floor: a last year on the Mavs Shawn Marion

Smarter on defense will make him better and I think he could do a better job expanding his offensive game.

Yup. I'll have more on the other prospects later. At work. Can't get fired

He might not have as much hops as Pip either but he can still leap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GVsrGQiBWc

His ball handling was very good last yr as well and will get better. He's no Kobe off the dribble but neither was pip. He was the best finisher on the break out of all of the draft prospects as well. Plus the other pip comparisons, 6'7, wiry, athletic and a beast on defense. High motor + intelligence and feel and I say it's definitely possible he reaches that ceiling. We'll see.

He just looks unorthodox doing it.

If he gets Kyrie or Wall, look out.

>If he gets Kyrie or Wall, look out

Maybe another Cal guy coming through (with him working hard on a jumper) at #3 can do the trick for what's been a dissapointing start of a career for John John.

MKG is a can't-miss but I don't see him as a perennial all-star, more like a great glue guy type who gets a few All-D nods, maybe a Six Man of the Year & maybe 1 or 2 AS game nods by way of being viewed as a major contributor to a good team.

Nigga BALLED THE FUCK OUT at Memphis



beware of niggas with hyphenated last names





He should be good, but he is set up to be the Derrick Willams of the draft




just sayin



I like the Kidd, but his shit wasn't AMAZING

I don't think this draft has any GREAT players though
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He could be Grant Hill. He'll board. He's a willing passer. His jumper wont go past 20 feet. Athlete, smart player off-ball. That's the best case scenario

i'm sticking with Ron Ron at his very best. 2002-04 ron was a top 3 SF and a top 15 and CLIMBING player, IMO...he was gonna be AWESOME...then he just went crazy.

I think he's as fluid, maybe not with the vert. The handle is nicer than I thought, just loose. But yeahI'm reaching. The Ron thing is interesting but is MKG gonna be that physically imposing?

by the way, the more i research everything and think of the cavs best fits, the more i come back to MKG...lmao. man, they got 3 picks after the 4 to get "scoring"

young...i just see perry as such a HOMERUN chance, but i need to just stop and take the sure thing where it counts most. that's a STARTER at 3 and a DEPENDABLE teammate..he can finish and wants to be great. let's just leave it alone, dogg.

i wouldn't be mad if they traded with Charlotte for the 2, hendo, tyrus and give up the 4, 24 and the expirings of walton and boobie

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Please Cheezy-E don't draft him.

Personal favorite kid in the draft. Another guy I can see being a all-defensive team staple. Ends up the sidekick to some alpha-star on a winning franchise. Not gonna go as far as the Pippen comps, but I like the sane Ron Artest ones.

Offensive weapons

They have slightly different body types, but maybe a CJ Miles type? Supposed to be a sniper type at 2 guard but is just sorta OK shooting outside, and he isn't really explosive to the rim. It's a tough adjustment going to the longer 3 point line and better defenders, and it's not like his percentage was dragged down cause he was taking a bunch of bailout shots for that Florida team (that was Boynton and Walker). Borderline NBA starter that your team is always looking to upgrade.

He's short.

He rebounds ok.

Not very athletic.

Can't shoot like say, Hersey Hawkins to compensate his height.

I'd rather have Wesley Matthews than draft this dude.

And I hate watching Randy Foye.

like Lamb, Ross, Rivers who have more potential.

aaron afflalo.

Not as good at ANYTHING as people say he is...not AS athletic...not AS good a shooter...not AS good a handle...people are lying about this guy.

he is a 20ppg on an AWFUL team where he's the #1 option. on good team? he's not a 1 or 2 guy. period.

he's barely a starter on a good team. i just don't buy it.

if he ever drops 20ppg, i'll eat paint chips.

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But he'll be nearly as good as neither.

quite as long but a little more athletic, not quite as athletic as Gordon but a little longer and more durable. He was the guy at Florida on both ends of the floor from day 1 as a true freshman. Were there some bumps along the way? Of course but his ceiling is unlimited. He'll be a 20ppg guy from day one, ROY and a future All-Star.

And "no", he won't be a 20ppg scorer from day 1.

He has an extremely limited offense.

And I've seen him play enough to know he'll be a lower-tier sg.

shit is wet and he can get it off on anybody(n/h)

thats when he started shooting shitty. Non shooting wrist but it still fucked with him. I watched most of those Indian games that yr. Plus - Gordon is a much better athlete than Beal and better at attacking and finishing at the rim.

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I'll wait.

don't get these comparisons AT ALL. He's also not as athletic as Ray (cats are really sleepin' on Ray's quicks and hops). I'd argue that he doesn't shoot it from deep as well as Gordon (both shot it at around 34% in their first yrs but Gordon had that wrist injury). No way of telling who will be more durable so thats definitely a reach on your part.

What I do like about Beal tho is that he competes and is a pretty smart ball player with good off the ball movement. He rebounded well playing as the third guard and he works hard on d (even though he won't be able to stay in front of the elite two's in the L imo). I see him as a guy that could avg 18-19 on a team like the 76ers....MAYBE. Not getting the comparisons to a hall of famer though.

He's good, but not top 10 or even top 15 good. Good shooter and rebounder but he didn't blow me away at all.

but three of were against Kentucky & one of em he looked good.

I find Basa's hatred of him (which I think stems from Austin Rivers vs Beal high school shit) entertaining so I'm kinda hoping he ends up in Cleveland for the comedy.

Whether he learns to channel that aggressiveness will determine whether he pans out or is kind of a bum.

But, fuck it, I'd still roll the dice on Beasley.

very good athlete. he's like a 6-11" guard. does not rebound as much as his size would suggest (esp. offensively). the thing that scares me most about him as a prospect is that he has those flashes where he disappears, especially defensively.

sometimes he strikes me as a bootleg Lamar Odom (particularly when he disappears) or even Antawn Jamison (because of the defensive disappearance). he works best in low pressure situations.

that being said, he's the #2 guy I want on the Cavs after MKG, if the Cavs had a second pick outside of the top 10, I'd take him in a minute. I'd take him over Barnes (who I emphatically do NOT want on that team). It's about team fit. Kyrie >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Baylor guards, and right away, the Cavs won't be asking for much out of him. he could actually be a good case where someone was DEVELOPED on the team, so I can dead that knock on the franchise.

Love the kid.

He grew on me throughout the year. he was outta position and played fairly well. he drifts. i will give you that. that's a red flag. but i just think he's one of those dudes that doesn't want to be THE MAN...not yet anyway.

now, he's being viewed as a piece, not a savior, so a lot of weight if off him.

He's going to be a good pro. It's all mental with him.

>He grew on me throughout the year. he was outta position and
>played fairly well. he drifts. i will give you that. that's a
>red flag. but i just think he's one of those dudes that
>doesn't want to be THE MAN...not yet anyway.
>
>now, he's being viewed as a piece, not a savior, so a lot of
>weight if off him.

that's exactly why I want him on the Cavs.

Lemme see him play a season on a non-Baylor team. Then I'll decide.

Cuz like Drummond, I love the potential in his body, and unlike Drummond, I love the potential in his game that we've already seen in tiny flashes. But like Drummond, I'm scared cuz of the disappearances and the mental lapses in college.

Give me a season. Fuck it, half. Then I'll decide. Too scared of the mental component to fully endorse, too scared of a bust call backfiring HUGELY to fully deny. He'll be an all or nothing pick for a GM.

He's got all the tools to be great but I can't help but look at him and see Anthony Randolph. Intermittently putting up numbers but just leaves you wondering why he never lives up to his talent.

Some guys put it together mentally when they make the pros but I'd be scared to make that bet.

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Humble dude who'll shoot too many threes initially but will round into a near-all-star type 3 who puts up 19-7-4 and a block and steal a game.

Guys who showes flashes and intrigues multiple GMs with dat 'tential. Never fully realizes it and bounces between a couple franchises.

It's hard to say who his comparrison is cause
Few 6'11 dudes had handles like him

I will say he can be what Lamar odom
Was supposed to be
Could be better

If he beefs up gets stronger
And improves low post
He can be an all nba dude by year 3

Worst case scenario he is lakers Lamar odom post last chip

Which makes him a borderline All-Star. I'm not sure his ceiling is all that high, but I doubt he's sorry. At the very least he's gonna be a solid starter.

I can't really see the difference between him and other muscular not tall big power forwards.

He can't shoot like Derrick Williams.

He might be a better rebounding Brandon Bass.

Could be Kevin Seraphin-esque

If he develops some finesse post moves and relies less on bamma post moves, he could be as good as a Diet Coke Elton Brand-- not too shabby. I like him to improve every year, to struggle at first, but to end up winning out long run. Not convinced yet he's an All-Star, but that work ethic has me pretty certain he'll stick and start even if his high draft position might result in bust whispers.

i think he could be a good post defender even with his height issues if he stays in the weight room.

good enough jumper to stretch the defense against post defenders he can't post up.

If he keeps improving his handle and his J gets a lil more consistent...DANGER!!!

Dude has a decent post game and an aggressive mentality. Plus he raised his lil bro at Kansas or some shit. I love this dude already.

Rich man's Udonis Haslem, maybe.

this will be upped for better or worse

He's the one who actually reminds me of Amare. And he has a hint of Blake in his game. I can see him making a few AS teams.

TRob at 4 with Moose at 5 would be outstanding

I like him and want him to be great, but I just ain't seeing it. I think he ends up being a solid starter who sticks around for a while and never makes an All-Star game.

Udonis Haslem with slightly better low post offense and better defense

13-8 dude on a good team

Skill-wise not really the same but I think Barnes is going to be a #3 guy who you keep hoping will take the next step but never will.

Strangled by his starting point guard or head coach (hopefully it's a Scott Skiles type, or the actual Scott Skiles) by Year 3.

It ain't easy... but it sho' is fun

naw, I'm jokin'... proportional to the HYPE he got a couple years ago, dude is gonna be SORRY!

the last season at UNC showed you all you need to see. has yet to develop his own shot consistently, which is the biggest knock on a dude who was siced as the second coming of LeFavre.

if the Cavs draft him, I'm gonna be mad. unlike most other Heels who have worn the Wine and Gold (and previous iteration of the team colors).

Won't give you much more than 16 ppg in a season tops, but he can stroke the ball if you get it to him in position, which means there's a place for him in this league. I don't see how he could start on a true contender, but he fills a role and could start for some teams right away. His value on a team is DIRECTLY related to the quality of his point guard.

Pierce has some of the best footwork of any guard in the history of basketball.

he prolly wind up being a poor man's Luol Deng.

Peirce is playing with a sprained MCL, which is the ONLY reason
why his game isn't as fluid as it's been in the past. wtf @ "more
fluid"... jeezus

It ain't easy... but it sho' is fun

3rd or 4th option.

he got dat mechanical movement, overrated clumso shit dat role players move wit.

dude ain't gonna be no dang Deng

Pretty much agree with those that think he'll have a tough time getting his shot off in the L. He can be a very good spot up guy or come off of screens guy. I basically agree with Bags on this.

lmao


It ain't easy... but it sho' is fun

he's gonna score when other people create shots for him. he'll hit the jumpers. that's valuable, but that's all he's going to be.

Very situation dependent. He goes to say Charlotte or somewhere where he is supposed to be the man on offense... he will be labelled a bust. Think he eventually finds his niche as a third-option on a decent team that just needs to knock down ocassional Js.

Best case he will be Wilson chandler

From the unrefined offense to the shitty free throw shooting to the disappearing in games to the potential to be a major factor in other games, I smell a Deandre. I just love the physical attributes on Drummond and the speed at his size. Put him on a team where he can be lobbed to and developed behind a starting big man (Wizards?). Not gonna know what he can be til at soonest three years from now.

It walks like a bust and talks like a bust... but some team has got to take a flier on this kid if solely cuz of his body.

Every year a dude like this is in the draft.

@ 5 - he could get you fired.

@ 10 - hopes and wishes.

@ 20 - could be a steal

@ 35-40 - You can't sleep on his upside and he's going to make some GM's sorry they passed.


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Ideally, he'd fall to ten rather than top five, but a GM could get fired for passing on that potential too, especially if your team needs a big man and Drummond hits, and ESPECIALLY in a draft with veeeeeery little big man depth. Tyler Zeller is a pretty ferociously unsexy consolation prize.

dude. Big lazy dudes don't all of a sudden get un-lazy when you give them a lot of money.

either for the same reason. So I guess it depends on where he lands.

Obviously, he has the potential to be better but I don't think he has it in him.

So gifted, so dumb. If he ends up in the right situation with a coach that can push him he could end up being pretty good. The athleticsm and frame are there and he does have pretty good ball skills. He has absolutely no back to the basket game though and looked lost ALL YEAR on both ends of the floor. If I was the Bobcats, I'd trade down to get him though. What do they have to lose? MKG isnt a franchise savior plus you already have/had Henderson/Wallace (although MKG will be better than both - they're all athletic and hard working wings). Trade down - pick up a nice young player, and Drummond....see how it works out.

he done lost 22 lbs since march. and word is he trying hard.

now, if he being a bamma and woking hard for a couple spots/million on his FIRST contract...imagine how hard he gonna try at 23 and 28 for them second and thirds?

see?

i dunno. this is the same reasoning that mad me think thabeet wasn't gonna be a scrub. but he so much more skilled than theebs.

i like him. all-star at some point. but he might have a slow start.

He won't beast initially but if you put him out there for 25-28 minutes he'll get 12-8 and fuck up on rotations every so often. I think he'll respond to technique coaches and I love that he's working with the navy seal dude that got Blake out of college. He's not looking for the Tim Grover skill-training. He's learning how to go hard and play ball with men. That tells me a lot. He'll never hit more than 60% of his fts but dude is going to be putting up 18-10 by year 3.

he could definitely bust. percentage is probably above 50.

BUT, if you need a franchise player, why not roll the dice? no one has his potential, not even the brow.

i'd endorse the pick for any team without a clear #1 star in place, so that means everyone except cleveland and washington.

Just go get oops and put backs
And boards

Tyson chandler/deandre jordan/javale magee type dude

Great size. Great wingspan. Great touch. Needs to get more aggressive.

I'm not sure he knows how good he can really be.

His wingspan and size put his ceiling higher than Austin's, even if I like Austin's attitude to potentially rise him above Lamb... only if Austin "gets it" and Lamb stays less aggressive.

But yeah. Easily the safest bet at the position. I've seen him become a MONSTER in games. If he turns it on and keeps it on? Someone's getting a big-ass steal here.

posesssion. and still averaged 18 on 48% shooting.
very good shooter. should contribute pretty well on
a winning team as a 2nd(depends) or 3rd option. defensively
shit..7' something wingspan w/ pretty good lateral
quickness.

but in a smaller package? Rudy Gay has at least 3 inches on Lamb, that makes a difference

He could make a splash in his first few years but I don't think he'll ever be a guy you want to rely on.

I didn't like what I saw from him this year though. He didn't have a game where he showed consistent effort and seemed too comfortable dribbling around the three point line and jacking up a shot instead of trying to penetrate and get a better look inside. I still like him better than Beal though. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up.

but, yeah, you look at what he did at uconn, given the absolute shitstorm that program was this year, and you wonder why he's not getting more love. dude was a constant positive force in an awful situation and has all the physical tools.

if he drops to the blazers or something he should be set.
15-18 points and 6 assists maybe at his best.

only seen him play 3 times tho in that conf.

Would be the epic draft for us if we get him at #10.


See him as a bootleg Russy.

Aggressive. Attacking. Hungry. Needs to improve playmaking, but with his talent it should develop.

Great fit for us as long as he and Gordon can play together.

he's not even better than isaiah thomas. not an insult. but this is a cyse.

Damian Lillard? C'mon.

look, everybody want the next wade. this guy ain't it. he's a ROLE player, not a potential all-star.

how's he better than marshon? c'mon man.

i dunno how many times i saw him penetrate and kick out or leave it for a big, but it was a lot. he did it enough that i stopped worrying about whether he was capable and instead chalked it up as a positive to his game.

he averaged just as many dimes as beal and more than lamb, so all that ballhog stuff is a cyse.

he needs to continue to improve finishing with his left, because he's gonna need to be way more creative around the basket. he can get there all day, but finishing is the key. if he finishes at the NBA level? 23+ ppg scorer...and league-leader potential.

yeah, i said it. people too scared to be real about this kid.

there are a number of teams I'd like to see him on right away.

He will create shots. He'll make crazy shots AND clutch shots. He will throw the team on his back. He is unafraid to be an asshole.

He'll miss crazy shots. He'll hog the ball. He'll get pissy if things aren't going his way. He is unafraid to be an asshole.

And I'd take him on my team in a heartbeat.

but he's not a natural playmaker, somewhere between Monta and Tyreke, he'll get his but can you win with him?

I don't see him ever being an All-Star 2 guard but I think he has the skill and pedigree to develop as a point if he wants to but I think in his mind he'd rather be Kobe than Deron.

With NBA hand check rules? Shit. He's gonna score, and he's gonna score in bunches at times. He'll put up assist numbers people won't realize at first, and still get criticized for shooting too much. And like Monta, several years into his career, we still won't be completely sure what he is.

I don't think he'll have a Monta ceiling, cuz Monta is an elite athlete, but he'll have at least a Stuckey.

My floor for him is Jerryd Bayless. Not quite 1 and not quite a 2, but aggressive on the offensive end.

The best part about Austin is his assholery. And because of that and who his dad is, he can't be some bullshit.

He'll work hard and put in the time. And will obsess over that shit.

His ball handling will set him a part and he'll be able to get to the rim and draw contact. He should live at the line.

If any team needs points, I'd grab him.

Well, pretend this franchise has had one

Like someone else said, he showed that he could create for others pretty often last year and has a ridiculous handle. If he's gonna play the 2, he'll need to learn out to keep moving once he's given the ball instead of stopping and allowing the defender to set his feet. He does that shit WAY too often. He'll also need to bulk up a bit and like basa said get better finishing with his left. I'm still waiting on him to get back to utilizing his mid range game more consistently. He did that really well in 10th and 11th grades but fell out of love with it. I think he'll be somewhere between a top tier 6th man (Harden/Terry) or a low level Kobe if he sticks as a 2. As a point, he'll be a bigger Steph Curry imo (not as good from deep but a more wiggle off the dribble).

24 ppg 2apg

i don't see him being significantly more impactful than a dajuan blair type.

he'd be an all-star.

sully got some slow feet, thus the booz comparisons are not good. booz always looked like a dancing bear, even when he was around 280 at duke.

Even if he can't get to Boozish levels, his sheer bamma factor on the floor will keep him getting minutes for a lengthy career.

good from the 3 either. He worked at it tho.

Sully should peak at good mid range shooter, decent post game, good rebounder.

That is if he aint on that Sean May

love was one of the smartest HS players i ever saw. and he got a knack for knowing where the ball is coming off which is why he boards like that. and he can finish from funky ass angles. love is just a basketball player.

sully needs to pattern himself after milsap, booz, baby and bass.

all of them have/had more athletic ability than love and sully (outside of maybe baby). Sully got love's same lack of agility.

Love should be what he aims for and if he even gets half close it'd be an awsome career for him.

Natural curve he might end up between baby and milsap.

25% chance of donuts though...

Which Sully also does well. I actually agree that he could be a poor mans love (big man that can knock down the outside J and get you a bunch of boards). Obviously, Love brings more but that is where that poor mans part comes in.

dude is a coach's son..his basketball IQ is off the charts.

and he has plenty of touch, around the basket and from 12 to 20 feet away..

he can stroke the 3 too, not like Love but he isnt a liability at all from beyond the arc...

we'll see how much better he is once he gets on an NBA S&C program


but you're waaaaaaay off

People forget that Corliss had some pretty nice years in the pros. I think the key to his success is that he realizes his role and fills it and doesn't become like Big Baby, a guy who seems happier putting up good numbers on a bad team than being a useful role player on a winning one.

I'd take him on my team.

We know he's short, but hopefully he can find a nice balance between being quick while not compromising his size and strength advantage.

Gary Trent popped into my head

He improved his outside j from his frosh to soph yr and lost some weight. I'll expect him to continue to do both. If he does, and remains a beast on the glass, then he can get close to Love numbers imo. If not, he'll be a slightly taller/more skilled Blair.

in a very long time

Gonna average 10-6 for 10 years
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Great bamma potential.

Gonna be a great role player.

bench.

i wonder if he sneaks into the first over guys with more impressive measurables for that reason.

it will work out that way in terms of where they're slotted at 15 (too early to grab him in the late first where he's slotted & won't be there in the mid-second) barring some trade movement.

Personally I think he would be worth the pick at 15 but you could probably trade & get him in the mid-20s.

But to me he's almost instantly better than say, Lavoy Allen (a nice surprise this year & an Owl to boot) will ever be.

Stuck playing with a crew of NoBonnies (sorry ma, y'all ain't had a player that mattered since you were cheerleading for Bob Lanier) so not many people saw him or those that did wrote him off for shit he wasn't really great at (like creating shot opportunities for bum teammates out of the post despite being a good passer) or other dumb things that didn't matter (like not coming out last year when he's a kid who wanted to finish his physics degree) but I see him as a solid/legit NBA starter at power forward.

Has an NBA body in terms of size/length/mobility, a legit post game as a collegian but a jumper in case he has trouble establishing that against pros in the early going, a great free-throw shooter for a big, highly intelligent, and he's a good shot blocker who will be able to work hard enough plus gain strength to guard NBA 4s down low but not sure how he'll fare in pick-n-roll.

I didn't pay attention to this kid for the early part of his career but between nagging from moms whose an alumnus to check him out along with some of the draft talk last year I've watched him in the last two years about as much as anyone would hope to see a kid from an upstate New York mid-major while living in Southern California.

This kid was easily the best player in the Atlantic-10 last season.

Singlehandedly ended St Joes at-large then later automatic-bid within about a week's span (gave em 32/14 the end of the regular season, then 25/10 right after) then turned right around to fuck up Xavier's chances of a decent seed by beating them in the final and won the A-10 for the first time in about 40 years.

Also was the reason they almost upset Florida State in the first round (hit & assisted on threes late to bring the game back to one-possession but their guard missed the shot at the end).

Dude will likely luck out & go to a good team based on draft projections, if San Antonio hadn't traded their pick I could have seen them grabbed the kid & had him contributing instantly by being what they wanted Dejuan Blair to be (or he could have given them a longer/taller Malik Rose with better offensive skill who could also step out for jumpers).

I'm on board with this one.

and speed.

(like I've watched him go up then go up then bounce right back up again if he mistimes his jump or bites on a fake but then still makes the play).

I'm not sure he's got actual foot speed & quicks though for this level, which is why I was saying pick-and-roll could be a problem but I don't have evidence to really know one way or the other I'm more looking for what's keeping him from being a top-flight pro.

I'm hoping the Celtics don't pick him.

and feel like he was alright before Big Cuz was on his way but they don't really remind me of each other much at all.

Thompson was a center/forward project who had barely anything resembling a post move let alone the ability to hit a midrange jumper.

We'll see, 'thats the fun of the game'.

I hope he doesn't end up on the Celtics but for the opposite reason as you I guess.

But Nicholson is at best an end of the rotation guy in the league and very possibly a guy who rides pine and then has to head overseas. Since perimeter big men aren't that hard to swoop up so I'd rather use a first round pick on someone else.

Also, the C's basically just kind of drafted him in JuJuan Johnson and I have no interest in adding another lanky, perimeter based PF.

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I'm curious what ya'll think about this one. His stock has shot up the last month or so from mid first to top 10.

why is everybody looking for d-wade? you know how good d-wade was at this age? good enough to be 6-3.75 and be taken that high as a SG.

waiters is a role player. if he becomes a star, i dunno...like, why am i tryna predict who gonna be good...what do i know? is how i'mma feel for real.

AND he got the wing player with a weight problem steez? c'mon, man. he can't be a future star player.

i can see him having a stuckey dogg type run though and getting overpaid

Watching Wade in the tourney before he got drafted I KNEW dude was gonna blow up.

Dion reminds me of a bobby jackson/mario elie/ronald murray mash up.

Just a rugged, sturdy ass bench nigga/part-time starter than can cook up fast but he ain't gonna do a whole lot more than score.

I'd take a chance on him as a 13-20 pick.

I'm rooting for him but the kid literally has to work on every part of his game to be the kind of player the "experts" are making him out to be.

Most top picks have an NBA ready skill: shooting, defense, rebounding, etc. Sure they can improve but they can step in and deliver that one element. I'm not sure Waiters really has one NBA ready skill.

Inconsistent instant-offense off the bench guy. Poor man Lou Williams (role-wise, not skillset).

screw it..all in. new york. I think he'll be a top 5
player in this draft. kinda underrated due to playing
for st john's this season. just as skilled/talented
if not more than all the other sfs in the class.

if he stayed he woulda been lottery in 2013

I feel like it's impossible to get a grasp on either of them. They could be steals or out of the league before they turn 25.

He needs to work on his jumper to be most effective but I think he'll be a solid enough 5th starter or role player, strong help defender. I could see him busting like Brandan Wright but I think his commitment to the defensive end will keep him in the league.

Is that better?

Dude can be a useful role player but I'm not seeing him being a star. And there's a decent shot that he is a 10th man for his entire career like Brandan Wright.

*shrugs*

I mean, dude basically has to be out of the league before his rookie contract is over to be worse than Wright.

he developed a nice 15 footer and a lil fade, but i don't see him gettin those shots off so easily and accurately against bigger guys.

not a "bust" in the classic sense, but he won't be much. could be a very solid role guy.

He'll have that Brandan Wright frame forever. At best he's a guy off the bench to block shots, play D, and grab boards-- but he'll need to bang more in the pros than he did in college, and with those skinny ass shoulders, I wonder if he can. He put on weight while at UNC and still looked like a fucking toothpick.

He could be as good as a smarter but smaller and skinnier Dalembert. Don't expect offense, but expect boards and disruptive D. Won't be a starter.

He could be a capable point guard but he needs to work on his shot, isn't up to 'Dre Miller or Mark Jackson, and probably will be a bigger minus on defense than he's a plus on offense.

He's a good passer but I need my point guards to at least be a threat to score or they won't be able get those same passing angles in the league. Anyone they actually compare to him has some advantage that helped them succeed: Andre Miller (slow and can't shoot but can actually score a bit with that post game and herky jerky moves), Rubio (ridiculous handles/plus defender/jury is still out anyway), Mark Jackson (post game/different era). Backup point guard who will be way overdrafted.

he's a solid kid. DA URREA!

Ceiling: Tyreke Evans with J Kidd's vision/defense/rebounding. Floor: poor man's Tyreke (good off the dribble but not Tyreke and more turnovers).

I'm sticking to my guns on this dude. I think that he's one of those smart, hard working but emptional and immature dudes that will need the right environment to grow. I'm actually hoping he lands with Memphis. He'll get to sit without pressure for a few yrs and Hollins has done well with previous emotional guys (Zbo, Tony Allen). But Tony has to get better with his right hand, needs to develop that jumper A LOT and has to cut down on the turnovers and be happy with making the simple play when it's needed. He's a 6'5 athlete that can defend, rebound and see things on the court that not many other guards, pro or college can see. When he's attacking, he's hard to stop because of his movement off the dribble and his size/strenghth. Plus, dude is a fighter. He ain't afraid of shit. If he figures it all out, he'll be an elite pg in the league. It'll take time if it does happen though.

Not a fan but haven't seen THAT much of him to write him off completely.

>Not a fan but haven't seen THAT much of him to write him off
>completely.

as he should. He needed to stick around another year and continue to develop. He could've played his way into next years top 10 and earn more money over those 3 yrs. Aww well.

If he gets a jumper he'll be unstoppable.

he's one of them kids that thrives on doing highlight type shit...that Johnathan Hargett, Shamgod shit...i hate it. when they not beasting, they don't wanna play no more and they blame everyone else...and sulk. HATE IT!

he has a really high ceiling, but i don't have a good feeling about him.

attitude will be a bigger part of his development than outright skills.

He's remarkably tough and athletic and is willing to get dirty and do the little things.

Once he stopped chucking for his shots in his freshman year, he became a solid player.

Plays great defense and rebounds well. Needs to work on his range and stop bringing his jumper from his left side to the right side of his face.

He can be a solid starter or a good bench player.

I think he'll put in the work.

he'll probably land in a better situation and won't be expected to be a savior from day 1

>he'll probably land in a better situation and won't be
>expected to be a savior from day 1

You don't want him to start but he can handle it in a pinch.

You don't want to rely on him but he could come up big when he needs to.

For all the good he does, he might make some mistakes that hurt.

He might be seen as a disappointment for the team that drafts him but once expectations are where they should be, he'll be a nice role player.

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Bring defense, hit the open kickout shots when the star is doubled/collapsed on, be there on help defense, know your role.

That's what Jones will have to be able to bring. I think he's closer to Haslem than Pietrus but since he's a 'tweener, he kind of in the middle of those two (and I didn't feel like trying to think of a better example of a 'tweener at the time.)

That's about where I think Terrence Jones can be.

I actually like his game a lot, he could be a steal for an uptempo team at the 4 spot. He's a bit of a flake, but shown the ability to reign it in, good finisher on offense, shoots well enough for teams to play him honest (but takes enough bad jumpers to drive a coach crazy). Defensively, he'll get pushed a bit by bigger 4s in the post, but should play the weakside well, and he's athletic enough that you could stick him on bigger 3s (Carmelo/Durant) to bother them. Basically a Josh Smith or young Kenyon Martin type minus some athleticism.

Like, that's easy lotto talent projected to go to a current playoff team. Only bigger sleeper would be a healthy Quincy.

Dude has to get a handle if he's going to be anything more than a role player but he strikes me as one of those guys who'll be in the league for years.

though if he can ever channel his competitiveness and shed his rep of being a "sleepy smooth" kinda player, he'll end up as the best SG from this draft and a 10 time all-star (barring injury).

he has the ability to lead the league in scoring multiple seasons.

everything depends on his hunger/desire.

I'm hoping he falls to the Celtics. I think he's a good flier in the middle of the first. A ton of potential.

Learning how to get his shot off on diff levels is his big issue. Of all the "tayshaun" comparisons I think this dude fits it best. Hella long, will bury a 3, quirky handle. Def a 15-5 type 3-4th option on a good team.

Might slip to late first/early second.

I think he'll pan out to be a nice backup point guard with the chance of becoming an average starter.

Because he's tough and doesn't rattle. Plays like a Pitbull. He impressed Russy last summer. So the talent is there.

Don't know how good of a pro he'll be.

He'll be better than his brother.

The traits he has can make him a solid starter. But there are sooooo many good pgs in the league it might be hard for him to get a team within the first few years and might get discouraged.

He's strong, great handle, plays great defense. And great taking it to the rack and finishing.

If he gets a good coach that works with him, he can be a good one.

Will be Better than his bro

Wish we coulda done this for NFL prospects too (I guess we still can) but the draft is over + I don't care about the NFL like that.

Now hopefully none of these dudes that I praised gets busted for something crazy between now and the draft. You stay away from that girl, Terrence Jones.

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You're right, it'll probably just settle into QB + RB + WR (and occasional high profile defensive player) Warz.

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be an All-Star, lol

Classic Bags strategy, through a bunch of shit at the wall and claim what sticks

that's the point of the thread.

he's a role player, one of THEM dudes...don't have to do anything but hit a few big shots here and there. he can't mess that up.

Dude should have a very long career and has the potential to start a couple years on a center deficient team.

I think he'll be a decent player and a top 20 center. Feel like someone will eventually pay him starters money and be locked into average production

Won't be spectacular, won't fuck up. Should stick.

they were excited as fuck about that dude as a youngin, let no Beantown bullshitter tell you different I was there.

He can start for a team that doesn't really have a center or be a great backup for a team that does.

His floor/ceiling is pretty narrow.

Solid Backup Big.

double post

Operation, Make Basa Mad -- ACTIVATE!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221416/Sources_Cavaliers_Expected_To_Take_Barnes_At_No_4

The Cavaliers are likely to select Harrison Barnes with the fourth overall selection if he remains available, according to sources.

"He's a pretty big deal to them," one such executive said.

Cleveland was known to be high on Barnes during the 2011 NBA Draft process before he elected to remain in school for his sophomore season.

Via Sam Amick/SI.com

just no. I hate that they continue this hype.

i put zero stock in that rumor.

For Barnes dogg

so they can take T.Rob @ 4, and Cavs can get MKG at 2.

if that's true...

I would definitely be on board. Especially considering future agendas.

And he's gonna drop enough points per game if he ends up on the Wiz or Cavs that folks will Cuban B his HS hype and claim he was always meant to be a Calbert Cheaney.

please note that I am not claiming Harrison Barnes. I'll take some stock, sure, but he's not one of mine. He's gonna be a solid jump shooter who plays in the L for a while, and that's all.

All I'm claiming is that he's going to have a better career than Perry "Skinny Man's Tim Thomas" Jones.

Foh

Thats why we have this post

i'm not taking any bullshit when he doesn't make all star teams, or when mgk is better than him (since you replied). he gonna be a serviceable nba player who can play, but not be a key piece on, contenders. that's it.

Brilliant shooter. He'll always have a spot on a roster because of it. Quite possibly starter material for the right team. Never will be terribly athletic or fast, but that stroke is pure, and I love the character/work ethic. Someone'll get nice value for him at the end of the first.

NOPE! He's from Cuse!

Won't ever be more than a less offensively skilled Brenda Haywood Jr.

That having been said, if he actually does slip to end of the first/beginning of the second, you could do worse than a young big guy with that size. Could stick as an extra big to provide 5 fouls... but higher bust potential than most other bigs in the draft.

And I know going to class isn't a huge deal but I think it shows a lack of commitment. If you can't pretend to go to class to be able to play hoops, I'm not sure he's going to do all the work he needs to really be effective.

And then you realize that he's not even as good as guys like Chris Wilcox and you get Mark Blount with a ceiling of Brendan Haywood.

This guy's gonna give someone awesome value in the second round. If he gets that mid-ranger to consistently fall, that's a potential starter. Love the rebounding, love the work ethic. I buy this guy's stock as a second round, worst-case-scenario contributing bench PF that sticks.

Just needs to add some weight in his legs and chest. Already "strong" but needs some mass behind it. should top out at 190. Can't see him being bigger than that.

Next Rip Hamilton.

Dude is very confident in himself and loves to play ball.

Talented though.

I just can't see him working hard.

Maybe I've been spurned by Memphis one too many times.

I thought CDR would be the next Rip.

I don't know if he gets to Rip level, but shit, at the end of the first, he's gonna be a hell of a bargain for a team even if he comes close.

best pure pg in this drat imo.

I'm buying.

to follow.

#EliteProgramProblems

Hard to keep track of all the teams.

Heat
Bulls (multiple players)
Mavs (multiple players)
Lakers
Bucks
Bobcats
Clippers
Cavs
Pistons
Magic (multiple players)
Pacers
Hornets (multiple players)
Blazers

Shit is tough.

I try to go with the teams with the most players and my favorites. Then trickle down.

Last year, I'd go Boston, Washington, Detroit, and Sac.

Then try to catch the Clippers, Houston, and Utah.

But now I gotta throw N.O. and Char into that first tier. And probably bump Houston up since they got 2.

I followed closest Battier, Booz, Deng, and, to a lesser extent, JJ. Then Kyrie, obviously.

Also, if any team has multiple Dukies, I tune in... the Bucks had two last year or the year before, and the Pacers in the past I've followed.

This year, it'll be Battier, Booz, Deng, Duhon, G Hill... and I kinda wonder if Brand/Dahntay and the Mavs will make a push. Rivers and Plumlee will be followed, for sure... and I'll definitely have to keep up with Kyrie, as he's the closest to an MVP level talent we have in the league right now, so watching him grow and hopefully help his team make a playoff push should be fun. And since JJ was my boy in college and he'll have another Dukie on the roster...

That's just a lot of teams to watch. I'll just have to do the best I can, I reckon.

It sucks balls that I'm leaving my current living situation, in which I have NBA TV in addition to full cable, to move to LA, where I'll have no cable or NBA TV. I'll probably have to beg one of my friends with NBA TV to hook me with the password to their internet stream, lol.

NBA Broadband is the bees knees.

Get an Apple Tv or Roku and you can watch on your tv and watch replays for the whole year.

Or just watch on your computer.

4 Good's

1 Good for popping off in the NCAA Tournament. Then being mad when he lost.

1 Good for keep talking about outplaying A.D. and not understanding why he was drafted ahead of him.

1 Good for keep talking about outplaying MKG and not understanding why he was drafted ahead of him.

1 More Good for getting out of T-Jones way on the depth chart.

I hope he sitting in a linen closet right now of his townhouse rocking in the fetal position hoping his Iphone battery drains so they stop calling about his whereabouts.

Nm

Dude's got like a 10% success rate in here. Just call it the throw shit at the wall draft post.

this thread and the 2013 join gonna be around for the next few year and nobody will be able to lie. that's all i wanted. in another two years, we will have a clear idea of the career paths of all these players.

EDIT: without even reading the posts, or knowing who the poster is talking about, the following subject lines are cracking me up:

Meaner Iggy or full flowering of Tony Allen + size and brains
Fuck that. I'ma go all in. Pippen ceiling.
Somewhere between Ray Allen and Eric Gordon
This nigga is the next Wilt Chamberlain
a more fluid Paul Pierce
Man is he dumb
Jamaal Tinsley minus the Mel Mel the Abuser alter ego

Not shitting on anyone's predictions, b/c I wasn't in this post (don't follow college ball like that), but this is a comedy goldmine.

RBO
Basa
Frank

seem to have a decent avg.

Tha truth might be like 1-14 but that 1 was preety on point when nobody else called it lol.


That damian lillard bust name is hilarious cause thats how i felt back then.

>RBO
>Basa
>Frank
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>seem to have a decent avg.
>
>Tha truth might be like 1-14 but that 1 was preety on point
>when nobody else called it lol.

What? the only one I was really off on was Anthony Davis, he's a way better offensive player than I thought he'd be, everything else I said is pretty on point. The dudes you listed above have way more L's in here than me.

granted, one was rivers, which was a massive L.

but otherwise I killed it.