I searched and didn't get a season post I saw the off season but not the season one, so if there's one please feel free to lock away.

Everyone saw opening night, it was bad so i'll skip that and move on to week 2 below.

Two weeks in a row they've looked unprepared.

Defense looks worse than last year.

Haslett was and is still a bad hire.

Merriweather was the best-case scenario at safety and he might be the dumbest asshole on the team.

RG3 will get healthy and eventually be a great QB again.

What's the plan for the rest of the squad?

They look like they didn't even have an offseason. Totally unprepared for the looks they're getting. Totally unable to make adjustments and make plays in crucial spots when the game is still in the balance. Its more than just Griff, the rest of those bammas need to be held accountable too.

- Radio and Haz might have to go if things continue like this, they'll be worse than last year's saints and they were the worse statistical defense in history.

safe hire, got the job because he's a familiar face.

mediocre at best, awful at worst (closer to the latter right now).

He's a known quantity. He's been a DC or HC for 20 years and never built a great defense. Not once.

He's the type of decision you get when all of your decision-making power lies with a coach like Shanahan who was beyond his prime when you hired him.

I don't disagree, this particular group looks way worse than many i've seen. Most of the time they're not even in position to make plays, sometimes they're out there and miss tackles, but most of the time, there's no one around.

That's just depressing to see a team get 3rd and 13 and get a 24 yard gain.

- This Defense is horrible, the rookies are getting cooked all over the field and no matter where you put them they are out of position and there's always someone open. I mean that, there's ALWAYS someone open. I'm not sure if its the defensive calls or just the offensive schemes they're running against, but the spread em out and make run combo routes is working like a charm. They're spread out and fools are so far out of position that they're sprinting to the ball and just taking bad angles. Its ugly, he front line is getting bowled over all the time.

- The more I think about this, the more i'm thinking Radio and Haz might to take some of this blame. ALL of his people are out of place and missing assignments, when the always dependable Reed Doughty is missing assignments and there's no communication there might be a problem kids. I'm not really worried about the rookies missing assignments because they will do that, i'm way more frustrated by being out of position and the plethora of missed tackles. How in the world does your defensive alignment and scheme have Perry Riley matched up on Randall Cobb ONE on ONE??? That's a recipe for more points everytime. How is Jordy Nelson allowed an inside release with no safety help on the inside? These are scheme and assignment things that are dooming this team early. The D has been on the field alot so I'll give them that, but once teams stop dropping back we can do nothing, no passrush, no pass defenses, no nothing. BAD FOOTBALL. I'm watching DeAngelo Hall scream at the sidelines to change the scheme. Something has to give, either its Haz or we're going to get blown out of every game and all the defensive coaches get cleaned out.

- Hey thanks Brandon Merriweather, you proved why the Patriots were so readily able to move on from a Probowl safety. Dude has been leading with his head since he was in New England and this game as nothing new. he'll get a nice sized fine to go along with that headache, i'm not impressed.

- As bad as Griffin has been in the first half of games, he's not getting a lot of help there's a lot of dropped balls, yea I get it the balls aren't perfect, but if you as a professional wr get two hands on the ball, catch it. Josh Morgan, Fred Davis, Aldrick Robinson. Right now this team isn't good enough to overcome mistakes like that. The execution has been horrible, blocks are being missed and teams are selling out up front because they're not afraid of the long pass and the routes being run allow the D to be in a zone and just wait you out and by then the blitz has already either hurried the play or bust Griff in his head.

- I'm really worried about the game planning, because it seems that the other teams have an answer for everything that we're running in the beginning. I want them to go wide move that safety and one of those line backers outta there and then go at them, with the bunch all of the defenders are just sitting and waiting for the cut, the backside is getting killed and the zone read is anemic. There has to be some other offensive line set that they can run their plays out of because right now its looking bad.

- Fred Davis has probably missed his opportunity at a big contract, because Jordan Reed has come in, out played him and makes catches every week that aren't perfect, meanwhile Fred gets one thrown his way, hits him in the hands and he drops it. Reed cost less anyway, bye Fred.

- Great job by Alfred Morris taking what the D gave him and running hard, too bad the game was WAY outta hand by the time he was doing work.

- This team is abysmal on 3rd down. In the pointless 1st half they were 1 for 9 on 3rd down. You can't win games that way.

- I have no clue what happened to Kai Forbath, but got damn.

- This is abad team right now, they're undisciplined, they're not good at assignment football, and the idea of trying to stop Megatron when James Jones just ran up 164 on you is not a great feeling.

WE IN TROUBLE

>Josh Morgan, Fred Davis, Aldrick Robinson.

None of these guys are good.

Through two seasons Bob has one good receiving target and while I like Garcon, nobody's going to mistake him for an All-Pro #1 WR.

You can't say the same about either of the other two.

Fred looks like a shell of himself, and Robinson whenever he gets open doesn't attack the ball, and allows it to get on him and knocked away.

All the speed in the world, but can't catch.

but he's an overpaid 3rd or 4th WR.

also as far as giving Bob weapons, he's not changing the equation.

but toughness and blocking dont make a great or even adequate WR.
Morgan's skillset adds next to nothing to the team.

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

problem is that the offense changed now and we need guys to actually get open and catch instead of being blocking decoys on the read option.

him and moss are satisfactory WR3s depending on the plays we are running.

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

Someone has to step up now that we're not running that read option. If you've watched the plays on the edge almost all of them were because Josh Morgan's blocking, but in a traditional offense such as we're forced to run now his inability to separate and sit down in zones is a liability. His hands are also a liability as he's not catching the easy ones.

If at somepoint Griff finds his accuracy I think Josh can help out, but honestly he's way overpaid and may never be a legit #2. In the run offense he's a beast though.

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

Cause I don't see anybody.

Garcon is legit (but not elite)

Reed looks promising.

But collectively the receivers aren't doing anything.

Reportedly can't reach her at the the moment. Hopefully she is alright....

however you feel about the football team, no one wants that to happen

>however you feel about the football team, no one wants that
>to happen

As not one of them.

I feel for Josh though man. His mom was working at the Pentagon during Sept. 11 and he was at VT during that mass shooting. Luckily though they survived all those incidents. That's a blessing.

serious circumstances but luckily dude is still trucking along.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Peter King has decided to not use the word

why don't others follow his lead

I mean if the team was the Washington Ni**ers

or the DC Crackas

would people really say it?

can't get a shot at a start in Cleveland and skipped over for Hoyer.

Hoyer is the unknown, so they'll ride him until he's either awful or does well. JC is the safe choice after you see what Hoyer can give you.

I'm really optimistic on his contribution so far and even moreso on his potential. Furthermore, I've been ready to get out of the Fred Davis business for about 3 years anyway.

He's been making catches in traffic, doing the things that most everyone else hasn't. We can get rid of Fred and get out from giving him a huge contract. I'm happy about this Reed kid.

Not raw like he looked in camp.

The sooner Fred "decorated accessories" Davis leaves, the better.

Yet another missed Snyderrato draft pick.

smh

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

But nope.

John Keim wrote a while back that the reason they reached for two big WRs that round was because Snyder made it clear that's what he wanted.

What kind of owner does that shit? Besides Jerry Jones or Al Davis.

...even he's kind of "meh"

can they?


Those firt 2 games seemed like I was in the bizarro world.

I just think RG3 T-Shirt in the preseason was really prophetic. It's all about Operation Patience at this point.

Also, bottom line is that we were not as good as we thought we were coming out of last year. We are still suffering from the cap hit of the last two seasons and haven't been able to improve the team in key areas (O-line and secondary).

We are seeing an offense that used Robert's athletic ability and the read option to mask the fact that the offense line is not very good at all. now that RG is not a threat to run, it affects how the offense performs, from the pass protection all the way down to the run game.

I put a lot of our current struggles this year on Kyle Shanahan. The offense needs to be changed in order to protect our QB. my question is what would this offense look like if Kirk Cousins were running it and install that as our base. One that is not so reliant on RG3's speed and takes more advantage of his intelligence and passing ability.


<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

>I just think RG3 T-Shirt in the preseason was really
>prophetic. It's all about Operation Patience at this point.
>
>Also, bottom line is that we were not as good as we thought we
>were coming out of last year. We are still suffering from the
>cap hit of the last two seasons and haven't been able to
>improve the team in key areas (O-line and secondary).
>
>We are seeing an offense that used Robert's athletic ability
>and the read option to mask the fact that the offense line is
>not very good at all. now that RG is not a threat to run, it
>affects how the offense performs, from the pass protection all
>the way down to the run game.
>
>I put a lot of our current struggles this year on Kyle
>Shanahan. The offense needs to be changed in order to protect
>our QB. my question is what would this offense look like if
>Kirk Cousins were running it and install that as our base.
>One that is not so reliant on RG3's speed and takes more
>advantage of his intelligence and passing ability.


Agreed on all accounts there. RG3 even with his struggles is not dumb. He has been fairly accurate under pressure and hasn't made too many bad reads. You can't keep him playing with this poor of a line though cause even though he is not making too many mistakes right now, that could all change in an instant.

Even with all of our offensive struggles we still score enough to win though. Our defense however is in shambles. I thought they would have been ok last week but after seeing that game I was wrong. Something needs to give with the D cause we aren't gonna win without them showing up. That's Cam's main problem in Carolina.

I like this and I think you're right, K Shanny hasn't been earning his check. I mean if folks are going to continue to put 2 extra people in the box and blitz right at you then you've got to call a wr screen, get them up field and throw in behind them. Instead he's running long 15 yard outs and when there's absolutely no time to get that play run.

We've got to find a way to put our players in a position to succeed and that to me means more roll outs, more Morris, and Reed.

They aren't as good as they thought, but because this division is so terrible there's still an opportunity to get into the race.

We'll see if we can stop Megatron on sunday.

Polumbus is a fucking joke. We got away with it for one season bc of RG3.

But how Shanahan didn't make a move to improve the OL, especially Typer Polumbus, smacks of that Shanahan GM hubris.

The OL sucks.
The receiving options are mediocre at best.
The secondary sucks, and Jim Haslett is making it worse.

the offense is SUPPOSED to move left and right, not right ahead. It doesn't work for conventional pass and run blocking. Last year it performed well as it was intended, but this year the poor talent on the line is being exposed for it's underwhelming effort at traditional run and pass blocking.

You can see that from his run 30 yards downfield on a wr screen last week.

if there's adversity or the QB is limited for some reason, it all goes to shit.

In other words, it's not a great plan.

Polumbus was ok for a 1-year stop gap but it was a big failure to not replace him with someone, anyone.

not that the Raiders are any good, but the two of them combined might make one decent RT

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

Dick Stockton calling London Fletcher "the old man from the sea" will probably be my highlight from this season.

Where to start, well ok lets start with the Defense

- They got tired of seeing Baccari Rambo so out of place that they decided to hide him and go with a 1 safety base this week as Josh wilson as the one high. THINK about that, let that sink in, their base calls for 2 safeties, but the guys they have on the team at this position are so inept they chose their "best or 2nd best" (i use that term loosely) corner and put him at safety! It still didn't help because all of the big plays that happened because of miscommunication and poor game planning. I said this last year when I watched this defense get gashed, they were losing games on Wednesday. Other teams O Coordinators are watching film and calling the perfect plays against what our scheme is. It works perfectly, and it continues to work. The number of plays where there is a player running free in our secondary is amazing. Usually on 3rd and long plays, so that's coaching. To this point they've given up the most yards in NFL history. Again let that sink in. For all the love that Brian Orakpo gets he's done absolutely nothing, no pressure against the All Pro Offensive Front of Detroit, oh wait they're not all pro Rak just didn't do a damn thing. No pressure anywhere, other than in spurts, no pressure, the secondary is exposed and that's ugly. We're bad in man coverage, and horrible in zone because we don't read the routes right, either Perry or London may not get enough depth on their drop in coverage and that area is wide open. This is a bad unit kids and blame #1 needs to be leveled at our old friend Haslett. He needs to be held accountable, I know that no one wants to question Shanny but at somepoint we have to start looking at the historically bad defensive unit.

- The offense looks better, but tends to fall under the play calling of k. Shanny. They were running the ball really well and in a close game had the chance to continue running the ball, but let the Detriot D off the hook but not committing to the run. Then the poor execution doomed this team. The short of it, give Morris the ball and stop putting the game on Griff's shoulders

- Griff looks to be getting more comfortable taking those game speed snaps, but he's not himself yet. It has little to do with the running or throwing, but the thing that separated him from other young qb's and other qbs in general last year was his decision making. He didn't put his team in bad positions with poor decision making, this year he routinely puts his team in bad decisions with poor decision making.

Lets look at the two glaring mistakes from Sunday. First deep in Detroit territory escaping the pocket outside the tackle box with no one to throw to. There is only one play here "THROW IT AWAY" instead he holds the ball forever and at the last second makes desperate throw to the sideline that gets picked off. Taking sure points off the board. I believe this one led to a Detroit fg.

The next one and this is the most egregious. After making a great play to escape pressure and run up field for 22 yards Griff ignoring the rule slides head first and fumbles. When asked about this play later, he refers to the rule as silly. What I'd like to call silly is a player ignoring a SPECIFIC rule put in place to guard against something like this. All he has to do is slide feet first and the drive continues in a way that could put points on the board. There is momentum and the Detroit D is on their heels, instead of taking a lead or giving yourself a chance to win you decide against sliding feet first and give the game away.

- The wr corps is pretty bad people, Do you know who had the most yards from your wrs this past game? Pierre Garcon? NOPE, Josh Morgan, NOPE, Logan Paulsen, NOPE That would be Santanna Moss with 7 catches for 77yards. Garcon had 8 catches but Moss had more yards. Along with Aldrick Robinson's inexcusable drop this unit is not giving you enough to win games. If there were any other options at wide out I would say cut Robinson, but he's the only legitimate burner you have on the team but since he's a receiver his job is to catch the ball and he doesn't do that there's really no reason to have him on the team. If a kicker can't make kicks they cut him, same rules apply here with Robinson. SOMEONE ANYONE has to step up and catch a ball. Reed has a thigh contusion and I know Fred mysteriously showed up on the injury report with an ankle sprain, he's upset Reed is taking his snaps and I assume this is his way of protesting. They HAVE to make plays, we're getting almost nothing from them outside of Garcon and moss. DO better

- We're a bad team, we make mistakes bad teams make to lose games. We commit a lot of penalties in situation where it mkes an already bad play 15 yards worse. We're that team.

- We've gotten NOTHING from our return game, absolutely nothing this new kid is about worthless and we need to find a spark. I'm at the point of calling Brandon Banks back to get something going. If Niles straight ahead paul isn't returning kicks then fuck it just kneel and start at the 20.

- If they don't get a win against the Raiders season is almost effectively over. They better hope Tyrell Prior's concussion is strong enough to keep him out next week, because if its not we're in for a long game next week in Oakland.

what exactly did Shanahan expect to happen with this secondary this year?

What was his plan?

Merriweather and a 4th round rookie would work? really? with no back ups to speak of?

if I see one more camera cut to Haslett in the box looking confused/angry/lost, I'm going to punch something.

get a fucking clue, Haz.

receiving corps is bad.

Shanahan is bad.

This team is bad.

Raiders makes me scared. This team is pretty bad.

Griff holds the ball way too long trying to make something happen. The good thing is his arm is strong as heck, but he shouldn't be trying to make the play so much as he should just let some things go. Throwing the ball away is not the end of the world. He is not in abysmal territory though with his decision making. The reason why I give him some credit is because I do see him adjust to what is going on during games.

We actually would have a chance if one layer of our defense was serviceable. Nobody is good on that side of the ball. I'll give a compliment to Deangelo Hall though. He has been trying to earn his check. Defense needs a definite coaching overhaul. We don't have the best talent but the talent should not be this terrible.

This team gets anywhere near 8 wins and I am surprised because the way they are playing right now, 4-6 wins is likely their ceiling.

I mean they get no pressure up front so qb's have time to pick apart our sorry as secondary. Our lbs are either getting blocked or just out of place.

Griff is getting better every game, but this is a 16 game season, you can't wait on your qb get his shit together for a 1/4 of your season.

- Ugly start with a blocked punt, man I bet these fools are REALLY missing Danny Smith. The special Teams have looked terrible all season and if this continues I can see the steams coach being held accountable. Perry Riley missed a stunt and the defender walked on Sav, they even talked about this exact thing during the week and still couldn't execute. Still no flash or even decent returns on punts or kick offs.

- Can you name the Redskin who is tied for 3rd in the league in tackles? London Fletcher? NOPE, there's no one else it could be right, wrong its Perry Riley. Dude may be the one that will have to step into London's shoes after this year. The issue is that Perry is really bad in space and gets lost in coverage a lot. In zone he usually doesn't get to his depth and that zone is wide open directly in front of the corners and safeties, but he's tackling well which is way more than you can say about really anyone else on the D.

- The Defensive front 4 had a good game against a really bad offensive line unit. Barry Coefield has been playing at a better level than really anyone on the line. If he doesn't have that cast on his hand the first 2 weeks there might've been a few more sacks. Rak had a decent game, but missed a sure interception that would've stopped the drive that lead to Oakland's 2nd td. Those are the types of plays that better plays (Kerrigan) makes all the time, meanwhile he gets his hands on a ball maybe 6 times a year and comes down with maybe 1. That shit is incredibly frustrating.

- The secondary played much better this week, primarily because the front 4 was pushing the pocket and they were playing against Matt Flynn (That dude is really stealing money) David Amerson's play on the ball in the middle of the field is exactly why we drafted him. Watching him get got again on the outside in a one on one by a subpar wr is once again NOT why we drafted him. Overall it was a much better game, lawd look at how much better this unit looked with some real pressure up front just by the front 4.

- If Al doesn't get hurt, he's going for 135 and possibly 2 tds. The run game looked quite good this week and should be the emphasis in Dallas. If they can run the ball they can control the clock and game and give themselves a chance to be in the game late so Dez and Romo don't run away from them.

- HELLO HELU! This is what a healthy Roy Helu can do for your team. Great open field instincts and cut backs. Good speed and vision, still not patient enough on the zone reads to open that backside up, but against a team like the raiders the front side was so open it didn't matter. Swing passes to him in the future could be big during this season.

- Griff looks better as he's supposed to with more time. Decision making isn't where I want it, but its better and he actually threw the ball the 2nd time after he was flagged for intentional grounding the first time. The less this team has to depend on him to win, the better off they'll be. He shouldn't have 300 yards passing, that's not their recipe for winning.

- All in all good win on the road after taking a uppercut to the chin early in the game. I'll take it, btu just know this will not be good enough for this team to even be in the game at Dallas. If they play like this, it'll be a wrap.

- Looking at this game just solidifies that we're just not that good. Plain and simple we're just not that good.

- Will Montgomery and Kory Lichtensteiger had horrible games. Montgomery cost the team a td on the qb draw because he refused to at least put some pads on Sean Lee, instead he tried to get cute and cut him and lee went right around him and stopped Griff short. Good play call honestly with each defender accounted for but poor execution by Montgomery. Cost us points and basically was the look of how things would play out for the rest of the game. The O line was bad, You get DeMarcus Ware out of the game and you can't stop the pressure from being in Griff's face all night. They looked good in run game with First Round Talent Al.

- First Round was about to really get into a groove and then the game sort of got away from them with poor wr play, Griff missing passes and suspect playcalling. If this team can't keep the run game as part of the game plan they can't win. This much is evident.

- Griff looked spry, looked really good outside of the pocket but again his decision making was poor at times. He was REALLY feeling himself in the zone read to the point where there were times when Al had great running lanes but Griff pulled it back and got killed. I'm not sure if he's holding the ball too strong or what, but those intermediate touch passes are coming out like ducks constantly. He's missing the corner passes and missing open targets. He's not reading at the line either, the cowboys were in straight 4-3 zone, and a very makeable down and distance a draw play is a terrible call. Griff either doesn't have the ability to, or recognized too late that the play wouldn't work and didn't change the play in time. These are things that your franchise qb must do, get you in a better situation based off of the look that the Defense is giving you.

- I don't believe our Special Teams coach will be with the team much longer. This unit is abysmal and in a very winnable game this unit allowed the other team to take the game out of their hands. Huge returns from the other team, and NO positive returns from our side. On top of all that he cost the team 15 yards after they gave up a td because he couldn't get out of the damn way. We really missing Danny Smith this year.

- I wasn't too angry with the D, they didn't play great but played well enough to keep the offense within reach the O just didn't pull their half of the weight. They stopped the run well after injuring Murray which was the only way they were going to stay in that game. D hall played against a beast, but played well for the majority of the game, none of the same can be said about the other kats on the backend. EJ biggers getting beaten alot, David Amerson was knocked CLEAN OUT with a good helmet to helmit, maybe he'll be forced to do some homework and work on his zone technique. To be very honest they played decent, but they again came up with too many mistakes, penalties, and missed assignments. The biggest thing is that if you're going to put pressure on Tony Romo you've got to hit him and get him on the ground, because if he breaks the pocket he will kill you, which he did last night.

- Overall we're not a good team and have a good Bears team coming to town, so its looking like 1-5 coming up real soon kids.

What say you

>- Looking at this game just solidifies that we're just not
>that good. Plain and simple we're just not that good.

Year 4 of Shanahan.

>
>- Will Montgomery and Kory Lichtensteiger had horrible games.
>Montgomery cost the team a td on the qb draw because he
>refused to at least put some pads on Sean Lee, instead he
>tried to get cute and cut him and lee went right around him
>and stopped Griff short. Good play call honestly with each
>defender accounted for but poor execution by Montgomery. Cost
>us points and basically was the look of how things would play
>out for the rest of the game. The O line was bad, You get
>DeMarcus Ware out of the game and you can't stop the pressure
>from being in Griff's face all night. They looked good in run
>game with First Round Talent Al.

As we all knew, this OL was mediocre at best. Their deficiencies are masked by a mobile QB but as soon as we need them to pull their weight (ha), the offense stalls completely.

>
>- First Round was about to really get into a groove and then
>the game sort of got away from them with poor wr play, Griff
>missing passes and suspect playcalling. If this team can't
>keep the run game as part of the game plan they can't win.
>This much is evident.
>
>- Griff looked spry, looked really good outside of the pocket
>but again his decision making was poor at times. He was REALLY
>feeling himself in the zone read to the point where there were
>times when Al had great running lanes but Griff pulled it back
>and got killed. I'm not sure if he's holding the ball too
>strong or what, but those intermediate touch passes are coming
>out like ducks constantly. He's missing the corner passes and
>missing open targets. He's not reading at the line either, the
>cowboys were in straight 4-3 zone, and a very makeable down
>and distance a draw play is a terrible call. Griff either
>doesn't have the ability to, or recognized too late that the
>play wouldn't work and didn't change the play in time. These
>are things that your franchise qb must do, get you in a better
>situation based off of the look that the Defense is giving
>you.

To me Bob looks like a 2nd year QB, coming off a huge injury, who missed an entire off-season of fundamentals, film and practice.

I see flashes of his greatness from last year (he's still missing throws he hit easily last year), and have faith it will return.

>
>- I don't believe our Special Teams coach will be with the
>team much longer. This unit is abysmal and in a very winnable
>game this unit allowed the other team to take the game out of
>their hands. Huge returns from the other team, and NO positive
>returns from our side. On top of all that he cost the team 15
>yards after they gave up a td because he couldn't get out of
>the damn way. We really missing Danny Smith this year.

When is the last time we had decent special teams?


>
>- I wasn't too angry with the D, they didn't play great but
>played well enough to keep the offense within reach the O just
>didn't pull their half of the weight. They stopped the run
>well after injuring Murray which was the only way they were
>going to stay in that game. D hall played against a beast, but
>played well for the majority of the game, none of the same can
>be said about the other kats on the backend. EJ biggers
>getting beaten alot, David Amerson was knocked CLEAN OUT with
>a good helmet to helmit, maybe he'll be forced to do some
>homework and work on his zone technique. To be very honest
>they played decent, but they again came up with too many
>mistakes, penalties, and missed assignments. The biggest thing
>is that if you're going to put pressure on Tony Romo you've
>got to hit him and get him on the ground, because if he breaks
>the pocket he will kill you, which he did last night.

The secondary is still a complete rollercoaster ride on a good day. DHall is our best player by far.

That's weird & probably a bad sign.

>
>- Overall we're not a good team and have a good Bears team
>coming to town, so its looking like 1-5 coming up real soon
>kids.

Then after that is Denver.

1-6.

O line is dreadful there's not a lot we can do to cover that up. They're ok going forward but moving backwards and protecting they're terrible. Griff will face a lot of pressure in his face all season at this rate.

- D. Hall has been playing really well with zero consistency at safety I don't think people truly understand how important that is. He's been the best player on the D and that's better than Kerrigan and MUCH better than Orakpo (who by the way played last night, i know it was hard to tell since you didnt' hear his name get called once)

- Even if you believed that their special teams wasn't great last year where they were THIS bad, they were terrible the entire game in all aspects Kai was off because he wasn't used to kicking 50 yarders on a rehabbed quad and groin tear. Short fine, btu full extension of the leg no bueno. This unit is one of the worst i've seen in football period.

>- D. Hall has been playing really well with zero consistency
>at safety I don't think people truly understand how important
>that is. He's been the best player on the D and that's better
>than Kerrigan and MUCH better than Orakpo (who by the way
>played last night, i know it was hard to tell since you didnt'
>hear his name get called once)

Man I have been telling folks D.Hall has been the only slight saving grace this team has. I have not had too many bad things to say about dude this season. He has been giving it his all out there. He ain't shutting it all down but he is pretty damn close. It's just too bad he is all alone out there. These dudes make me wish we had an old ass Fred Smoot.

I want a refund from Orakpo though. That dude is a waste of money right now. Man this dude be going for games at a time now without his name being mentioned. That is how bad it is right now. He just be coasting. Doing nothing but trying to hype himself up.

Its ridiculous that a talented LB core is this terrible. They all can't be in this bad of a slump. Haslett gotta go. Get somebody else that can run this 3-4 better than him...

He's good with me.

I was on the Orakpo wagon real good until I saw a stat that said he didn't have an in division sack until his 3rd season as a pro. I'm like wait there are no elite tackles in our division and you can't get any of the qb's on the ground? Kerrigan as versatile as he is really benefits from a push from Rak, and since Rak hasn't done that much i'm he's suffering. Now truth be told Tryon Smith is really good and will be a mainstay at tackle for probably the next 10 years but Rak looked overmatched and couldn't get away from him. Rob Jackson isn't in football shape yet, and as much as I like Perry he's a liability in coverage and tends to make 1 boneheaded play a game. Usually costing us points.

Defense is bad fam.

We can't afford for our few #1 draft picks to not pan out.

I'm going to say we're at what we're going to get from them. They won't be dominant but they'll be good to above average for the duration of time they play together.

but this secondary is one of the worst in the NFL.

That trumps everything else for me.

And no, sadly I don't expect him to get fired this year or summer though I can always dream.

I feel like this year is a wash, and i'm ok with it at this point

That schedule is murder's row anyway

And I'm not sure I expect him to ever make a good front office or head coach hire.

Mediocre has-beens like Allen, Shanahan & Haslett are the best he can do.

So maybe he learns 12 years at a time.

I really don't like younger Shanny, and Haslett has been terrible all year. I'd love to see them go after a really inspired hire. Ole boy from Stanford, or even Texas A&M.

We all know it won't happen but i'm sayin

with a team he built as Pres/GM.

What's funny is that vs Seattle last year, Shanahan The HC probably prevented Shanahan The Prez from winning that first game.

We're rootin for you mikey!

Very winnable home game where the coach's feelings about a player superseeded the team and they lost.

He's not getting that first win this season so we'll look to teh 5th year of shanny and if he's not getting it done then hey its time to move on. As long as young shanny is not here in his wake, I want them all gone, both shanny's and Haz.

Good enough Pres/GM to keep his job for a while.

Not good enough to actually succeed in the post-season (or even get there regularly).

Gets fired after a while.

Anyone who expected something different was wearing burgundy glasses or is named Dan Snyder.

Shanahan wasn't going to come here and all the sudden become a good GM/Pres.

He wasn't going to turn back the clock to the mid 90s.

Steve Spurrier, Jim Zorn, et al.

A man who by all judgements at the NFL level was not ready for the job and wouldn't get a shot anywhere else. He saw the money and went, but he didn't really want to leave college. Hence why he's still at SC enjoying getting that knob slobbed by boosters young and old.

Zorn was a position coach who only got the job because the guys that Dan really wanted he waited too long to get and signed with other teams. Lets not look at this like he was just picking young smart guys for the job. If you'll notice Zorn has gotten no higher than position coach since he left here. It was a terrible hire then, and it looks even worse in hindsight.

I get your point, but there are young kats in the league that everyone has agreed are ready to take the next step, someone just has to take a chance on them.

which is why I don't expect Snyder to make a good hire any time soon.

...as head coach.

The only defensive guy he went and hired was Marty early on and then he let him go after only a year.

Snyder's problem is he keeps trying to recreate the Joe Gibbs Era, trying to find some offensive mastermind that calls his own plays and leaves the defensive side of the ball to the d-coordinators.

Every hire has followed this pattern (except for Marty)...
1. Spurrier
2. Gibbs II
3. Zorn
4. Shanahan
5. Hiring Shanahan's son as a possible successor (this was actually discussed back when Shanahan initially came on board, as a sort of succession plan)

Snyder is obsessed with having a top offense, not understanding that you can still have a top offense with a defensive coach as your head coach a la Belichek, Schwartz, Dungy (back in the day) etc...

I agree in not wanting Shanahan here anymore, but I don't trust Snyder to hire the right guy, at all.


<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

but the problem is also that Snyder has shown no ability to make good football management hires period.

Gibbs was a no-brainer but even he only managed to win one playoff game.

The rest of this is bad hires or mediocre hires.

Offense, defense, it doesn't matter. I don't know what Snyder has shown that would lead anyone to believe he is capable of being a shrewd and effective owner as far as W/L.

I'll say this though, it only takes one hire to make you a genius. NE got Bellichick and Brady and mr. Kraft is the classiest owner in sports, The Saints have Payton and Brees, everyone loves the saints owner, Pittsburgh is reknowned for their coaching hires, and NYG has as of recent done quite well with Coughlin as the coach even though he was a wr coach.

It only takes to hit on one

Oh and FUCK THE GIANTS for this.

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Loses Bryan Kehl (Their best tackler) and Nick Sunderberg (one of the best long snappers in the league) both of which for the year.

wow London if there was ever a time to call it career bro, its now .

And they had to let Lorenzo Alexander go before the season.

Zo would've been warranted, I know it went against their plan but double damn he's a glue guy, you've got to find a way to keep the glue guys.

They are 6-9 in FG attempts. 66.7% puts them at 29th in the league.

Sav Rocca is still the lowest ranking punter in the NFL in avg. yards and net yards punting.

The return and coverage units are the 3rd most penalized units in the NFL. The 1st and 2nd most penalized teams (St. Louis and Detroit) have both played one more game than the Redskins.

Ranked 30th in Kickoff Return Average and 27th in Punt Return Average.

Ranked 28th in Kickoff Return Average Against and 32nd in Punt Return Average Against.

The Punt Coverage unit has now given up 1 return touchdown and 1 blocked-punt return touchdown.

I couldn't wait for him to be gone.

But damn.

Next year is the last of his contract. He's unlikely to go into next season on a final year.

He'll probably push Snyder for a new contract.

My feelings on that decision are obvious.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahans-contract-status-hovers-over-washington-redskins-and-daniel-snyder/2013/10/16/b3b9dd66-3674-11e3-be86-6aeaa439845b_story.html

for years you were the most pragmatic Skins fan on the boards. Most all of your predictions came true, as cynical as they often were. I'll even admit that you helped me view this team through more rational lenses.

But...

you pined for Mike Shanahan the coach, no?

I mean I ain't carrying NO AGENDA. I have NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE here Smuts. I'm just recalling what I'm pretty sure is true - you wanted Shanahan the coach.

Now, I also recall you openly rejecting Shanhan as Head Football Honcho in Ashburn. But oddly enough I don't think the talent is as bad as the execution, at least right today. Shanny the GM has been overall pretty solid - Kerrigan, Morris, obviously Griffin, Jarvis Jenkins, Amerson, Neild, Royster, Riley...I mean those are all pretty good if not very good and in some cases even great players.

So all this to get to my question - how do you overall view Shanahan the head personnel man? Like if you were giving a letter grade, would you give him anything lower than a B?

>for years you were the most pragmatic Skins fan on the
>boards. Most all of your predictions came true, as cynical as
>they often were. I'll even admit that you helped me view this
>team through more rational lenses.
>
>But...
>
>you pined for Mike Shanahan the coach, no?

I was -OK- with him being hired as head coach. But as soon as he wanted the Prez job, I hated the hire.

Then I saw him hire Haz, remake the defense for no reason, and I was pretty much against the entire project.

He's been exactly as expected. A past-his-prime head coach who won't be the worst in the league, but is not going to build or coach a perennial playoff team. So in that case, what's the point?

brownie points for us no longer being a laughingstock? that's not good enough.

>
>I mean I ain't carrying NO AGENDA. I have NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE
>here Smuts. I'm just recalling what I'm pretty sure is true -
>you wanted Shanahan the coach.

it's possible I was ok with it, but I really don't recall -wanting- him.

>
>Now, I also recall you openly rejecting Shanhan as Head
>Football Honcho in Ashburn. But oddly enough I don't think the
>talent is as bad as the execution, at least right today.

Strongly disagree.

Let's look at the units (let alone the record, which in four years is sub .500 with no playoff wins)

The OL is one elite player and 4 journeymen who are getting exposed this year.

RBs: great, as expected

QB: great, total credit for making the trade for Bob

WR: pretty bad. Especially if offense needs to carry this team. Hank is a bust at this point. Garcon is elite. Reed looks good but very raw. The rest is garbage.

DL: pretty good.

LB: pretty good. will be bad once London retires and there's no one to replace him

secondary: maybe the worst the in the league

special teams: definitely one of the worst in the league.

Haz is doing a shitty job
The ST coach is doing a shitty job.

There's some talent on this team. But there's talent on every team. Except maybe the Jaguars.

This team is exactly what you see. Will struggle to be .500. If the QB plays out of his mind, the team is capable of sneaking into the playoffs and losing.




>Shanny the GM has been overall pretty solid - Kerrigan,

good. but the number of high picks on defense, this plan doesn't seem to be working well

>Morris, obviously Griffin,

both incredible picks

>Jarvis Jenkins,

hasn't shown or achieved much. at this point is rotational

> Amerson,

completely unproven. could be a good pick but we'll have to see.

>Neild,

who?

>Royster,

He's a third string RB

>Riley

great pick

Basically Shanahan has hit on his first round picks, which is the bare minimum a GM/pres should be able to do.

Your money is made in FAgency and late rounds and Shanahan hasn't done well in either.

Where are the late round OL starters? where's the depth? How is the defense this bad four years into a rebuild?

>
>So all this to get to my question - how do you overall view
>Shanahan the head personnel man? Like if you were giving a
>letter grade, would you give him anything lower than a B?

This year? D.

last year I might have given him a C.

This roster is bad man.

Now granted being hamstrung by that 18 Mil penalty absolutely hurt their ability to grab some good depth on the OL and in the secondary.

Smuts and I have talked ad nauseum about how changing a Top 10 performing D to a 3-4 doubled the needs of the team overnight. Then to bring Haz along with it, was one of those things where you're immediately weary if you're familiar with his track record.

Its tough because the team was so incredibly devoid of talent before Shanny got her perspective makes us realize that damn we have to at least give him credit for fielding a competitive team now. The problem is "his guys" aren't panning out. The Joshua Morgan's, Hank, Jarvis, jury still out on Merriweather. We'll see if any of those kats actually start to show some return on investment.

He has a knack for finding RB's so he's done that again.

They're definitely better than 4 years ago, but still not good or even consistently stacked with talent.

>Now granted being hamstrung by that 18 Mil penalty absolutely
>hurt their ability to grab some good depth on the OL and in
>the secondary.

back to back penalties left this team's cap at 85% of the normal during the critical 3rd and 4th years of shanny's tenure. The impact of this on talent acquisition and their ability to build up the special teams roster cant be overstated.


>Smuts and I have talked ad nauseum about how changing a Top 10
>performing D to a 3-4 doubled the needs of the team overnight.
>Then to bring Haz along with it, was one of those things where
>you're immediately weary if you're familiar with his track
>record.

folks harp on this, but the players we had in the 4-3 were old, overpaid and about to be replaced anyway. Guys like Wynn, Griffin, and Daniels. If you are going to switch, doing in immediately when you are about to turnover the d-line anyway makes sense. Haslett prolly was a bad hire and needs to go, but the teams needs were immense from day one regardless of the scheme switch.

>Its tough because the team was so incredibly devoid of talent
>before Shanny got her perspective makes us realize that damn
>we have to at least give him credit for fielding a competitive
>team now. The problem is "his guys" aren't panning out. The
>Joshua Morgan's, Hank, Jarvis, jury still out on Merriweather.
>We'll see if any of those kats actually start to show some
>return on investment.

Hank and Jarvis both had injuries that undermined their development. Morgan is overpaid, but not a bust depending on which offense kyle feels like running. Most of the dumb stuff they did was in year one with the mcnabb and jammal brown trades. After that, they've been solid despite limit resources.

>He has a knack for finding RB's so he's done that again.

yup.

>They're definitely better than 4 years ago, but still not good
>or even consistently stacked with talent.

If this is the team that shanny built in year 4 without the cap hits, i would agree with everyone that he is mediocre. But between the lack of picks early on and the inability to do anything in FA recently, to me shanny the GM gets a pass. We would have gone after antoine winfield with more money, could have signed a competent safety to compete with Rambo early on, and resigned Alexander. Those moves would have made a difference, but instead we have the same or worse problems that we had two years ago. Spending at an 85% cap level only goes so far.

I actually think he's been a better GM than coach. Kyle doesn't look like he knows what the eff he is doing out there. McNabb threw for a record number of yards, then we had the read option offense, then we had the traditional offense for 4 games before switching back. The coaching is suspect. Hiring burns looks suspect now, and these questionable hires are the coaches fault.


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>back to back penalties left this team's cap at 85% of the
>normal during the critical 3rd and 4th years of shanny's
>tenure. The impact of this on talent acquisition and their
>ability to build up the special teams roster cant be
>overstated.

Are you agreeing with me here? I can't tell.

>folks harp on this, but the players we had in the 4-3 were
>old, overpaid and about to be replaced anyway. Guys like Wynn,
>Griffin, and Daniels. If you are going to switch, doing in
>immediately when you are about to turnover the d-line anyway
>makes sense. Haslett prolly was a bad hire and needs to go,
>but the teams needs were immense from day one regardless of
>the scheme switch.
>
I think its a lot easier to find players to fill in spaces opposed to changing over the entire defensive scheme you're running. Some of the line were old but a guy like Kedrick Goldsten is and was never going to be a star, but he was good in that D, he has no place in a 3-4. They drafted for the 3-4 and have placed talent on the D line with guys like Stephen Bowen, Carriker (who still can't get right), Orakpo is overrated and I suspect he's been doping, but he's good not great. There's no way to front on Perry Riley, Kerrigan, and Even Rob Jackson. I'm good with that. I'm saying relation to an Offense that had no weapons and still doesn't you've spent a ton on the defensive side of the ball and with a bad coaching hire that effectively makes all those moves moot.

>Hank and Jarvis both had injuries that undermined their
>development. Morgan is overpaid, but not a bust depending on
>which offense kyle feels like running. Most of the dumb stuff
>they did was in year one with the mcnabb and jammal brown
>trades. After that, they've been solid despite limit
>resources.
>
4 years for Hank, at this point he's given almost nothing and if he doesn't find a way to produce and give more to the team, the Hank Experiment is over. Jarvis i'll give you as he was poised to have a break out year until his injury. Hank i don't have a lot of faith in as he doesn't get much separation and still after all this time still has suspect hands.

>If this is the team that shanny built in year 4 without the
>cap hits, i would agree with everyone that he is mediocre. But
>between the lack of picks early on and the inability to do
>anything in FA recently, to me shanny the GM gets a pass. We
>would have gone after antoine winfield with more money, could
>have signed a competent safety to compete with Rambo early on,
>and resigned Alexander. Those moves would have made a
>difference, but instead we have the same or worse problems
>that we had two years ago. Spending at an 85% cap level only
>goes so far.

I completely understand why you'd feel that way, I just dont' agree. There are glaring holes on the O Line that obviously they weren't able to address maybe due to the cap hit or because they believed in the guys they had. Griff's running ability completely masked their inability to pass block. You and i both know one thing Shanny does is believe in his lines, but this one isn't very good and that's been evident this year. I don't know if its just over confidence in a system or what, but that's an area that's been completely overlooked. Yea Morgan is overpaid incredibly, but as i've stated many times on the edge he's one of the best if not the best blocking wr we have. Problem is we pay him to catch passes as well and to this point in the season just hasn't done that. I agree the 85% has hamstrung this team incredibly. I'm just not going to give them as much of pass.

>I actually think he's been a better GM than coach. Kyle
>doesn't look like he knows what the eff he is doing out there.
>McNabb threw for a record number of yards, then we had the
>read option offense, then we had the traditional offense for 4
>games before switching back. The coaching is suspect. Hiring
>burns looks suspect now, and these questionable hires are the
>coaches fault.
>

He's good at finding gems in certain aspects of his system, but deficient in others. Here's the thing, the read option was fine, it worked incredibly well and griff never got hit while running it, he got hit playing hero ball and not getting on the ground. Say whatever you want about the scheme the shit was very effective. Kyle as an OC has never impressed me and I generally scream at him every week. They ran Danny Smith out of town, and now folks are screaming for the good ole days when he was here. The kat that's running that unit hasn't really gotten the players to buy in and its showing. Its early but at somepoint its no longer on the coaches the players have to step up. Special teams is a mess.

I'm sure Shanny will get another couple of years because of that penalties. If we get to year 6-7 and that O line still isn't able to protect and we're still not hitting on wrs then the finger is going to have to pointed squarely at Shanny.

>
>>back to back penalties left this team's cap at 85% of the
>>normal during the critical 3rd and 4th years of shanny's
>>tenure. The impact of this on talent acquisition and their
>>ability to build up the special teams roster cant be
>>overstated.
>
>Are you agreeing with me here? I can't tell.

you mentioned the cap hit without really getting into the severity of it. if the average dudes budget at work was cut 15%, people would not have the same expectations as they have for the skins.


>>folks harp on this, but the players we had in the 4-3 were
>>old, overpaid and about to be replaced anyway. Guys like
>Wynn,
>>Griffin, and Daniels. If you are going to switch, doing in
>>immediately when you are about to turnover the d-line anyway
>>makes sense. Haslett prolly was a bad hire and needs to go,
>>but the teams needs were immense from day one regardless of
>>the scheme switch.
>>
>I think its a lot easier to find players to fill in spaces
>opposed to changing over the entire defensive scheme you're
>running. Some of the line were old but a guy like Kedrick
>Goldsten is and was never going to be a star, but he was good
>in that D, he has no place in a 3-4. They drafted for the 3-4
>and have placed talent on the D line with guys like Stephen
>Bowen, Carriker (who still can't get right), Orakpo is
>overrated and I suspect he's been doping, but he's good not
>great. There's no way to front on Perry Riley, Kerrigan, and
>Even Rob Jackson. I'm good with that. I'm saying relation to
>an Offense that had no weapons and still doesn't you've spent
>a ton on the defensive side of the ball and with a bad
>coaching hire that effectively makes all those moves moot.

you seem to be arguing against the move to the 3-4 in general, which i wont try to defend. Once Shanny decided to make that change, I focus on how he implemented it. From a personnel view given that the previous 4-3 defense needed a youth movement anyway he did a solid job. Only Orakpo and Fletcher are left as starters from the 4-3 front seven but we'd still have 5 new guys up there if we kept the 4-3 given how old/bad (in rocky mcintosh's case) the talent was. By 2011 the 3-4 defense had become #13. Arguably, the ranking would have improved in 2012 and 2013 with more money to spend on skill/depth at DB.

>>Hank and Jarvis both had injuries that undermined their
>>development. Morgan is overpaid, but not a bust depending on
>>which offense kyle feels like running. Most of the dumb
>stuff
>>they did was in year one with the mcnabb and jammal brown
>>trades. After that, they've been solid despite limit
>>resources.
>>
>4 years for Hank, at this point he's given almost nothing and
>if he doesn't find a way to produce and give more to the team,
>the Hank Experiment is over. Jarvis i'll give you as he was
>poised to have a break out year until his injury. Hank i don't
>have a lot of faith in as he doesn't get much separation and
>still after all this time still has suspect hands.

Folks raved about Hank being a first or second round value when he was selected. If Hank doesnt pan out, it may be Kyle's fault. not that we should cuz the line sucks, but if we used more three and four WR sets, he'd get more reps. His time also gets cut by Moss who can't catch anything at this point and might be holding hank back.

RG3's early inaccuracy also mean that all of the WRs are underperforming at this point. I'd give hank a pass until the second half of the season.

>>If this is the team that shanny built in year 4 without the
>>cap hits, i would agree with everyone that he is mediocre.
>But
>>between the lack of picks early on and the inability to do
>>anything in FA recently, to me shanny the GM gets a pass.
>We
>>would have gone after antoine winfield with more money,
>could
>>have signed a competent safety to compete with Rambo early
>on,
>>and resigned Alexander. Those moves would have made a
>>difference, but instead we have the same or worse problems
>>that we had two years ago. Spending at an 85% cap level only
>>goes so far.
>
>I completely understand why you'd feel that way, I just dont'
>agree. There are glaring holes on the O Line that obviously
>they weren't able to address maybe due to the cap hit or
>because they believed in the guys they had. Griff's running
>ability completely masked their inability to pass block. You
>and i both know one thing Shanny does is believe in his lines,
>but this one isn't very good and that's been evident this
>year. I don't know if its just over confidence in a system or
>what, but that's an area that's been completely overlooked.
>Yea Morgan is overpaid incredibly, but as i've stated many
>times on the edge he's one of the best if not the best
>blocking wr we have. Problem is we pay him to catch passes as
>well and to this point in the season just hasn't done that. I
>agree the 85% has hamstrung this team incredibly. I'm just not
>going to give them as much of pass.

Morgan's blocking yesterday directly let to TDs, so i dont need him to catch anything really. I think i am more inclined than most to give the team a pass due to the lack of money. $36M would have translated into 4-6 decent players and some depth at C, RT, CB, and S and solved a big portion of the teams problems.

>>I actually think he's been a better GM than coach. Kyle
>>doesn't look like he knows what the eff he is doing out
>there.
>>McNabb threw for a record number of yards, then we had the
>>read option offense, then we had the traditional offense for
>4
>>games before switching back. The coaching is suspect. Hiring
>>burns looks suspect now, and these questionable hires are
>the
>>coaches fault.
>>
>
>He's good at finding gems in certain aspects of his system,
>but deficient in others. Here's the thing, the read option was
>fine, it worked incredibly well and griff never got hit while
>running it, he got hit playing hero ball and not getting on
>the ground. Say whatever you want about the scheme the shit
>was very effective. Kyle as an OC has never impressed me and I
>generally scream at him every week. They ran Danny Smith out
>of town, and now folks are screaming for the good ole days
>when he was here. The kat that's running that unit hasn't
>really gotten the players to buy in and its showing. Its early
>but at somepoint its no longer on the coaches the players have
>to step up. Special teams is a mess.
>
>I'm sure Shanny will get another couple of years because of
>that penalties. If we get to year 6-7 and that O line still
>isn't able to protect and we're still not hitting on wrs then
>the finger is going to have to pointed squarely at Shanny.

agreed.

Who would you guys want as a DC? Its obvious that folks don't like Haslett, myself included, but who do you think is out there that would get the best out of these guys defensively?

But give me the resources available to a GM or owner and I'll get you a list by the end of the day.

does it even matter?

Have a chance to win.

Excellent work by Aldrick Robinson doing the one thing he's on this team to do.

Catch a bomb that hits him in the chest.

Bob was feelin it yesterday.

I mean each of those units is just abysmal. And STILL the Skins put up 45, introduced Jordan Reed to the world, and unleashed the thunder and lightning running back tandem we've all been waiting for.

Above all else THEY WERE ACTUALLY FUN TO WATCH for the first time this season. This offense is a thrill to view when it's clicking.

Griffin is who he is. For better or worse he'll do literally anything for a first down, for 30 yards, for a TD. At this point you can't teach an old dog a new sliding or running out of bounds trick. But I'll tell you what, these guys play FOR HIM. Helu, Morris, Trent all of em.

You take the good with the bad in his case. Yesterday it was a lot of good, and when he's inviting contact right on the edge of the sideline from guys who have 50+ pounds on him you just have to hold your nose and wince. That's the complete Robert Griffin package; I can't help but admit I love all of it.

But yea, what you've got with Griff is what you're going to get. WHen he tried to be a different qb, he was, and he was less effective. This is the show stopping young qb we have to have

Getting out of bounds. Getting down.

His biggest problem IMO is still trying to make too much happen in the pocket/passing. He stands around for too long, or rolls out for too long.

It's a problem a lot of young QBs have and I fully expect it to get better.

Edit: most of the worst hits he took last year were rolling out too long, or holding the ball too long. And the original injury was diving for a first down on like 4th and 20 to keep a game alive which they eventually won over the SB winning team.

In other words, this shit got way overblown.

Edit II:

I still don't give Shanahan a pass for keeping him in the Seattle game. It was obvious Cousins would've been more effective, and playing injured led to another injury for Bob. That's on the coach.

Sure it sucks because he is the most competent safety on the team, but dude leads with his head on every tackle and at some point the league has to do something about it. He really looks like he's trying to hurt people. I hope he at least tries to change his game a bit and start trying to wrap people up instead of delivering the big hit.

This won't bode well for our already terrible D with Peyton and Phillip Rivers in back to back weeks.

I mean he's better than Baccari Rambo sure, but that isn't saying much.

That's a problem shit is no good.

the broncos are bout to get busy.

That said, props to D Hall tho for stepping up this year. He may be benefiting from there being more obvious weaknesses in the secondary to target, but he's been solid regardless.

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he got a "shot" on the sideline (awesome for his long term health) and should probably play this weekend.

But yeah.

um..... my dude....

I was like um NO you don't, you lead with the crown of your helmet and try to knock people out, the Alshon hit was bad, but the one on Brandon Marshall was worse because the ball was already OUT. He couldn't see it though because his head was low ready to deliver that blow.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/10/21/redskins-said-to-be-open-to-idea-of-trading-fred-davis/

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even if he was drafted by Snyderrato. I really wanted to.

But he's been dumb as nails from practice one (which he slept through), and not even his physical ability can make up for it.

long story short:
bad FA signings
bad drafting
cap penalty

rinse, repeat.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/1914/quick-takes-redskins-hurt-selves-at-safety

oh well.

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I honestly don't think it should be reduced at all, but hey the players union has to do something right?

Would've had this one upheld. I guess that'll help us against Phillip Rivers, but not against The Sheriff

- Hankerson hurt his foot running around the house with his kids, he's questionable for Sunday.

- Griff is getting closer to the player he was last year, he may never be the player he was pre injury, but he's getting closer. That bodes well for this team going forward.

- The Defense didn't play particularly well last week, but a short field once, and then a punt return for a td aren't on them. Still gave up a ton of points though, and that was to the back-up, Peyton about to go for 500.

- I'm sure Alfred Morris is way too humble of a guy and a team first guy, but i'm sure he's salty about running the team all the way down the field to get taken out and have Roy Helu score all the tds. Doesn't really matter to me as long as points go on the board, but I was just thinking about that.

- You know its tough that our Special teams coach is so bad. He was a player for many years, he was a special teams guy for the majority of those years. He's played the game and knows what he's talking about, but for some reason he can't get guys to play for him. If they give up another on to Trindon Holliday (which is VERY likely) you might as well not ride back with the team bro. 4 straight weeks with giving up a td, you can't stand for that.

- I wonder if the fans will treat Shanny on Sunday.

- We've got to run the ball to keep Peyton off the field, only way we have a chance, a shootout will end poorly for us.

basically:

'Hankerson is questionable. Morgan would be his replacement. It doesn't really matter which of them plays'.

Hahaha.

At least Josh will lock that edge to allow for good runs.

run downs: Morgan (WR) goes in

passing downs: we could have two TEs in (Jordan & Sleepy)

but these days Sleepy is eating popcorn at home so.

killed my FF team last week but it makes sense... He opens up more options in the redzone and is running hard as hell these days.

i'm optimistic about outscoring peyton. he's got that ankle injury and we really have the most trouble with mobile qbs that extend plays.


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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

In the redzone which is why they use him there. He's a better pass catcher than Alf, and has bulked up and runnign with power Helu and Alf are going to give us a good 1 2, I hope we can keep them happy and around.

Man I don't know, I feel like we have problems with anyone who gets the ball out quickly and has more than one legit target. Peyton is on pace to have 4 receivers go for a G! That's unheard of even in this age of passing. Looking at our defensive backfield we just don't have the horses to cover that many folks.

I just hope its not Philly on Monday night.

- Griff had a poor game, missing multiple open targets, and the Denver Front 4 pushed the Skins O line around.

- Defense played their ass off, D. Hall had a great all around game and played D. Thomas (who he gives what 4-5 inches and probably close to 50 lbs to) really well and if not for the 35 yard screen pass would've held him to those Dez totals. Great job by D. Hall and the entire Defense until the end where they got tired and Griff put them in some bad situations with picks. You can't give that Denver team any help, they're already really good.

- Special Teams played better, other than Sav Shanking that one punt.

- Looks like the play design in Washington has been good and well researched so what we have left is execution. Griff has to hit some of those guys and some of those guys have to make catches when the ball comes their way (Santanna). I say that except.......

- WHY THE FUCK DID THEY STOP RUNNING THE BALL. The Broncos came back to tie and the Skins were calling plays like they were already behind! Al had 97 yards and then lost 4 on a run and I don't think he got another chance to run the ball the rest of the game. The run game keeps people off of Griff and ensures its not all on him to play heroball. Oh and its the best thing we do, why do we get away from it every week? Bad call Kyle.

- Griff is really missing the benefit of a full off season with tape, and working on fundamentals. We've talked about it a lot, but a game like sunday did a good job of illustrating.

Anyway what do ya'll think of our chances against Rivers and the Chargers?

The bright part about the Denver game is we kept up with them for three quarters. Obviously we aren't there yet in terms of being a good team, but in all honesty the team as a whole did pretty well. Just gotta keep focus throughout the whole game.

Chargers ain't near the juggernaut that Denver is. I believe its possible for them to sneak a win in.

They're a well coached team that has taken advantage of Phillip Rivers Strong suits which is getting the ball out quickly. Rivers is having on the best seasons of his career with everyone other than Gates injured. He's also been incredibly efficient this year.

We're not going to get pressure on them so we've got to control the game from our side of the offense. Keep them off the field and hopefully get some turnovers when the opportunity arises. Ryan Matthews has rushed for over 100 the last two games, this in and of itself shouldn't scare the defense too much, but Shady, the kid from Detroit, GB, and Forte had GAMES against us, so we're going to have to strap it up.

We could beat them though.

the talent isnt great across the board, but if guys to their job they are good enough to keep up with anyone.

so sure they could beat the chargers. They should, at home, against a no more than decent west coast team playing at 1 ET, whip their ass.

The chargers are gonna be expecting us to run more. Kyle over thinks things and wont make them stop the run. i think we'll see more quick slants and screens to get the ball in the WRs hands early and fast, plus more draw plays.

I dont know how solid the SD secondary is... if they have a weak spot like the bears did with that one safety that Reed abused all game, its an automatic W. If not, i still think they execute better this week and get a close win.


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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

A little more poise here and there, and the season is not only not lost, but we're either leading the division or in the hunt. So its super frustrating to see them blow their opportunities week aftr week.

As much as I shit on Kyle for his game, the execution killed it too.

The pass plays wouldn't have been so bad if Griff had hit open guys, or open WRs had caught balls that hit them in the hands.

I just hope this season is making Shanahan realize the deficiency of talent around Bob.

Especially the OL. That is a bunch of mediocre dudes who can only get by if Griff is on his game making defenders play hesitant.

But OL is Shanny's blindspot, IMO.

Also I watch a team like Cincinatti (man it's sad) and see how many talented WRs they've managed to draft, even beyond AJ Green who was a top 5 pick.

And in four years Shanahan has drafted nothing.

Especially with the WRs....

Like I feel Hankerson could be good but he has not built upon one fundamental skill set to get him to that next level. And while that could very well be his own fault, I think the coaches have been a bit underwhelming as far as developing the talent they do have.

I agree with you that our drafting sucks but I also believe that there is no absolute guarantee that these players would develop the same way here.

It seems there are places that no matter who or where they draft always manage to have Wr that contribute in big ways. People don't realize this, but Tom Coughlin was a wr coach, so his wrs are always good and sound. Think about Steve Smith(usc) being a 100 catch receiver in the NFL and now not playing. I look at Cincy and think Marvin has to be doing soemthing real right over there, TJ a beast during his time there, Chad was arguably top 5 in the league during his good run with Marv. AJ is a killer we'll leave him off, but Mohammad Sanu is a beast, those dudes catch the ball out there.

Meanwhile we can't get anyone to catch a ball out of break, there are NO BOUNDARY plays, no outs (granted that might be because Griff tends to throw balls to the inside and on outs that 6) but still I watch teams year after year field decent wr corps meanwhile our 2nd best receiver is our rookie TE, and 3rd best is any of the dudes not name Pierre or Jordan. Call Art or something man, get some guys who can teach them to get free, or maybe they're just not that damn good and once again our draft has failed us.

cincy, dallas, GB, NO, NYG, Indy, Pgh

In some cases they've drafted well. In others they take lower round talents and make them productive.

Theres another handful that no matter what they do, they cant solve the WR issue - Detroit was and is (despite Tron) the king of this. We arent far behind.

Gotta figure out how to move from one extreme to the other. Some of those teams have had average to bad OLs and still been winners.

Arguably, with the exception of Dalton and depending on how you feel about Carson Palmer, the common denominator is an exceptional QB...

Put in work, they're backup TE just went for 3 tds and a 100 week before last, but on the outside you don't need good receivers when Tron is getting safety help over the top and probably a lb rolled to cover his underneath work.

But I agree with you, there are teams like us and Jacksonville that repeatedly get absolutely nothing from the position, Oak, St. Louis of late come to mind in that department.

Like what is the secret, can we just develop a little talent, I don't need them to find a Victor Cruz, but I do need them to find a productive guy.

with a calvin gettin so much attention, other guys should shine.
Burleson never became a star on his own like cruz, austin, houzmazilly, or the pitt/GB wrs.

Even historically bad passing teams like Jax, Was, Cle, are able to get numbers out of the TE position. I wouldn't credit Det for doing something special there.

The skins (QB's?) inability, like Detroit's, to take advantage of their WR1 in a way that maximizes the other talent is what's significant to me.

And I know stafford many times is just chucking the ball downfield towards calvin without regard to the other WRs or the coverage. If a great QB is the key to maximizing WR output (moreso than WR or OL skill and talent) i am less worried about overhauling the OL or even getting a better group of WRs. I'd rather invest in the defense more and coach up RG3.

there are times where he struggles to get separation in single coverage.

That's a bad statement on Bob's weapons.

He's a high quality #1 that isnt the best of the best. At the least he is jordy nelson good. Good enough for an opposing defense to be worried about him if used properly and to make room for another WR to stand out.

The packers have fewer passing attempts than the skins, but do a much better job of distributing the football. Jordy has 53 targets, Boykins in three games has 22. Cobb had 44 thru 5 games.

Garcon has almost 80 targets, the next guy is Reed with 44, Moss 37, Hank 36, Morgan 17. Griff isnt even looking at morgan so its hard for him to do more than block well to make an impact. Griff is missing guys when they are targeted, throwing into double coverage and locking in on garcon too much.

I dont blame him for not being a great passer yet, but again - it might not be a lack of talent on offense that is really holding the passing game back.


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>At the least he is jordy nelson good.

strongly, strongly disagree.

Since he's been in the league Garcon has relied more on his speed than his route-running. I thought the Skins overpaid for him and still do. He's good, and we need him. But he's not worth his money or his reputation, IMO.


>Good enough for an opposing
>defense to be worried about him if used properly and to make
>room for another WR to stand out.

Disagree.

That's what I was saying about not regularly beating single coverage (according to Keim): defenses don't have to gear their whole plan around him.

It's also just a statement on Bob's weapons. He's not throwing to an elite #1, he's throwing to a pretty good #1.

But look, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Bob could be making these guys look better.

But that also doesn't mean these receivers are good enough. They are very much not.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/2337/kyle-shanahan-accepts-some-blame

ASHBURN, Va. -- Add one more person to the list of people who felt the Washington Redskins should have run the ball more in the fourth quarter: offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan.

But that comes with a caveat. There are only a couple times Shanahan wishes he had called a run.

“Obviously I look at myself, too, and I would have done a lot of things differently,” Shanahan said, “because we got our kicked in the fourth quarter and that starts with me.”

Kyle Shanahan conceded that the Redskins needed to run a bit more in the fourth quarter Sunday.
The one play that Shanahan wishes he had called a run came on the one series I felt really got away from the Redskins.

The first series? They set up the first-down play well, had eight Denver defenders in the box and a wide-open receiver. The design was perfect; the execution failed because the pass was behind Josh Morgan. On third down, receiver Aldrick Robinson was open and dropped a high but catchable ball.

“Those plays were open and it was open because we were committed to the run all game,” Shanahan said. “That’s what opened those plays up and we didn’t make those plays.”

The next series Washington went pass, run, pass/sack/fumble.

But that third series, with Denver’s stadium rocking, was a play-calling swing-and-a-miss. The Redskins were only down by 10; more than 11 minutes remained and they needed to return to what worked. Instead, they opted for another pass.

“That third series in particular started out with a play-pass I wanted versus a certain coverage,” Shanahan said. “And I didn’t get that. That’s one play in particular I wish I ran.”

Shanahan said he did not realize until after the game the run-pass disparity in the fourth quarter. They had run the ball on six of their eight plays in the third quarter.

“I don’t like it either,” Shanahan said. “I know we’ll do better. I know what we want as a philosophy. We want to be balanced. We weren’t balanced there in the fourth quarter. I can attribute it to a bunch of things. It’s not something you want to do as a playcaller.”

A big problem was that Washington failed to have a drive longer than three plays on its first four series of the final quarter. The Redskins ran only twice in the fourth quarter, once for 6 yards and then for minus-4.

Shanahan had been trying to set up some passes with the runs he called in the third quarter.

“You don’t just want to do the same thing the whole game. Sometimes you have to switch it up,” he said. “You want to keep them off-balance, come out and get a play-pass that you have set up. I could have run on a couple of second-and-10s there, but I chose to pass it and did a couple screens, too, and it didn’t work out.

“It’s not like we’re sitting in there as a coach saying, ‘We’re getting away from the run game.’ That’s what we’re planning on doing, we’ve been doing all game. But you call plays to attack coverages, you call play-passes that you’ve been trying to set up through the run game and when you end up punting it’s hard to get those other calls.”

> I can attribute it to a bunch of things.

- on one hand he probably does feel that way in earnest and is taking some accountability. To have a crack at the Broncos and to let it slip away has to be a hard pill to swallow.

- on the other hand, he's really sticking his neck out for Robert and the receivers too. Should they have ran more? Sure, but there were a lot of plays available to be made that weren't executed right.

That right there is exactly what infuriates me about kyle, if the run game is working, why do we have to go away from it and mix things up. Make people stop you.

Teams that run the ball run can control the game. Our playaction is great when its working and you're right the plays were there to be made, but damn just run the ball.

>That right there is exactly what infuriates me about kyle, if
>the run game is working, why do we have to go away from it and
>mix things up. Make people stop you.
>

He tries to be too smart.

Now obviously that's a bit of a strong statement, but its like everyone can see where the game gets away from them. Whenever they attempt to throw too often the game gets away from them, and fast.

If we could coach some of these bad habits out of Kyle he might be alright, because like I said they have the scouting reports down. THey know how to utilize their personnel and create mismatches, yet every sunday they hit none of them well except the Jordan Reed game.

So his preparation is not the question its in game decision making.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/2346/friday-conversation-deangelo-hall

Smart guy...

Bullshit though that he says he is one of the more physical corners....Yeah now he is. 2+ years ago he was scared to make a tackle. He earned that reputation.

The one play where I can point to D Hall not tackling in the past was a 4th down play where it was him and Jake Delhomme for the game, and he let Jake run through him for a 1st down trying to drag him down instead of just hitting him. He earned that bad tackling badge.

This year though, dudes been playing out of sight, I don't have any bad words for him.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000109127

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Bob staring down receivers and being inaccurate today.

Pulled out the win when Kyle stuck with the run game.

griff was playing a little reckless but garcon (and the defense) kinda willed that team to a win yesterday.

The RBs did what they do, as did the OL, which was given a chance to excel with kyle calling more running plays.

Given the chargers low pass defense ranking going into the game, the temptation was there to pass a bunch but the OC didnt overthink things this time.

He marginalized santana (good!) and got hank, niles and logan some action which increased the run threat and helped open up the field for garcon.

hopefully, bob will be more accurate on thurs and garcon wont have to be superman in order for us to beat the vikings.

we won

but every damn Skins fan is gonna have to qualify it today w/ what we did wrong & why we should've lost...

Dudes called in last night's post game and again this morning saying, "Yeah, we're still not sold on RG3..."

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it's not a big deal.

For example, the Chiefs now have 9 of them and they can't throw anything past 18 yards.

not just this offense, this TEAM; we can run like hell against anyone, and Pierre Garcon is great.

That's it. We can run and Garcon can bail us out. The rest of this thing is an ever-fluid mess.

Reasons for optimism. Pointing out the simple system last year is getting more complex this year, and Bob is doing a better job staying in the pocket and going through his progressions.

Also of note (which we all know): the pass blocking is terrible and some of bob's inaccuracies are due to that.

Tyler Polumbus is a good example. OK runblocker. Massive liability in pass blocking.

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/11/04/robert-griffin-part-ii-reasons-for-hope-and-watching-grass-grow/

- Who knows if this will be that sort of game, but the way they won could be the catalyst to a legit run. I still don't think this team will make it to the playoffs, but a good run would be great.

- Its so evident that when this team just lines up and runs the ball they win. Its not Griff that makes things run, its the running game. If anyone follows me on twitter I was going NUTS about running the ball. I watched Kyle run the ball effectively and then when they needed 3 yards he tried to get cute and had to punt. First Round Talent Al looked strong, and San Diego couldn't handle him. This O line is created to shoot out, not go back. If they are set up to run they put themselves in good positions.

- If you look at Griff's efficiency its almost entirely attached the ability to move LBs through playaction. He's been inaccurate but when that playaction is working he throws with confidence and looks like a different qb. We run the ball, that's our identity. Griff played a bit of heroball but all in all had a good game and looked like the qb we need him to be. Aside from a few off throws, he looked good. I don't give a shit what people say, that's our qb of the future and i'm excited to have him.

- Kyle almost outsmarted himself again. End of the game you need a 3rd and 3 to really get close to icing the game, and you line up and do something cute. You've been lining up and running all game and now you want to play it cute. RUN THE BALL. Shout out to Darrell Young for running hard and taking full advantage of his opportunities. I say almost because in overtime Kyle got a clean slate and just decided to bully the chargers. Run the ball, run the ball, playaction, run the ball, Pierre, Run the ball. It was beautiful, I just loved how hungry they looked.

- This team performed at a level that it hasn't much this season and I'm happy to see them compete this way. They shot themselves in the foot, allowed the chargers to march right down the field twice only to have an incredible goal line stand. This team hasn't quit and those kats deserve a lot of love for their performance. Rivers is completing passes at a historic rate and they managed to limit his output to 2 tds and a fg. That's some good shit. A back in Ryan Matthews who had consecutive 100 yard games coming in left with 34 yards. They did a great job.

- DB's D. Hall is playing some of the best and most consistent ball of his career and is holding down the #1 corner spot better than most in the league. I'm not trying to sice, just what i'm seeing. He's reading his keys every week and is playing physical and smart. At one point he came off of his man and jumped back inside surprising Rivers and almost came away with another int. Dude is zeroed in! David Amerson had a great play and got caught looking in the backfield on another couple. When the chargers went into the bunch, D. Hall called out to Amerson that he had 13, and he still lost him focusing on Gates instead of his man. I love dudes ability to fight for the ball when its in the air, i just want him to be more disciplined. It takes a while, but dude has the ability to be a stud. All in all they played a good game.

- Special teams, not so special, left points on the field and Kai forbath hasn't been the same kicker as he was from last year. His injury might've really set him back further than we thought. The coverage teams were good this week though, so i'll give them love for that.

- Can we stop AP, or do we give AP 125 and contain everyone else and try to outscore them? What say you?

>- Who knows if this will be that sort of game, but the way
>I say almost because in
>overtime Kyle got a clean slate and just decided to bully the
>chargers. Run the ball, run the ball, playaction, run the
>ball, Pierre, Run the ball. It was beautiful, I just loved how
>hungry they looked.


The goal line stand and OT possession were things of beauty.

Minny has 6 passing tds on the season. only jax is worse.

I am confident that haslett can scheme against the vikings. hall's growth, amerson's talent really make a difference in terms of freeing up the defense to focus on the run and blitz the way haslett wants to. I also doubt ponder will display the pocket presence that rivers did which extended drives and contributed to some big plays for the chargers.

still not confident that kyle will run as much as we should especially against their poor passing defense. after showing how it should be done last week, he may decide to air it out on the road against a team we should beat just by playing to our strengths. this could easily be a game where we play down to the level of the competition instead of letting morris and helu and the OL dominate.

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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

in that there was a bulletproof method to getting wins - Stephen Davis - and Spurrier all but ignored him except for a few games.

We can win 8 or 9 games if we just play mediocre defense and run the hell out of the ball. Who knows if we will.

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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

Bottle up AP and leave the ball in Ponder's hands. He's proven he can't do it and if this team can score 28 points they should win this game going away.

I just don't want one of those "ADRIAN PETERSON IS LOOSE!" runs. Those shits kill the confidence of your defense. You know the one where everyone touches him, has a shot to bring him down and just flat out doesn't get it done. I really worry about that this week.

Truth be told Amerson has been good, but its the safety position that allows Haz to call the game he wants. With Merriweather stabilizing the back end its allowed Haz to call stuff he wouldn't normally have been able to call. I don't think Ponder will be able to beat the exotic blitz schemes and only Jennings is good enough to really run away from someone. D. Hall track him all over the field and try and take him away with physical bumps to disrupt his routes and lets get it rolling!

Like you said, if they run the ball and then throw in some play action with Pierre and Jordan they should win this game in a laugher, but I worry this is a trap game fora bad team and it turns out to be a close one where Griff makes a few mistakes and the Vikes capitalize on it.

>I just don't want one of those "ADRIAN PETERSON IS LOOSE!"
>runs. Those shits kill the confidence of your defense. You
>know the one where everyone touches him, has a shot to bring
>him down and just flat out doesn't get it done. I really worry
>about that this week.

it might be a play when we are playing touch football or just a good offensive play call that gets AP into the secondary with only a juke/stiff arm keeping him outta the endzone. I'm mostly worried about dropped passes and poor play calls that lead to short drives and a tired defense. this isnt the game to awaken the corpse of santana moss on some wr reverses. i was wrong about the quick passes and screens last week... we didnt use them or need them. so i dont want to see those either.

>Truth be told Amerson has been good, but its the safety
>position that allows Haz to call the game he wants. With
>Merriweather stabilizing the back end its allowed Haz to call
>stuff he wouldn't normally have been able to call. I don't
>think Ponder will be able to beat the exotic blitz schemes and
>only Jennings is good enough to really run away from someone.
>D. Hall track him all over the field and try and take him away
>with physical bumps to disrupt his routes and lets get it
>rolling!

when merriweather is composed, he adds value to the team. hopefully he learned his lesson cuz we need him.


>Like you said, if they run the ball and then throw in some
>play action with Pierre and Jordan they should win this game
>in a laugher, but I worry this is a trap game fora bad team
>and it turns out to be a close one where Griff makes a few
>mistakes and the Vikes capitalize on it.

the other thing is we gotta make FGs. missing those or getting them blocked is demoralizing and we arent efficient enough on offense yet to throw away points.

my prediction is 24-14 with a big game by AP, a score by the skins defense and more TDs vultured away from Morris. I had to trade that ninja away this week... its too much to take!

There was a Native American group protesting this game outside the stadium.

That big of a point swing...Especially with a big lead like that and all that has been going on this season...Philpot is right.

I normally don't tend to go that route but that is just...unreal...

>


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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

- I'm almost too deflated to even type this shit out.

- What a wonderful half of football, to then watch Griff get pummeled for the second half. Chris Chester looked completely overmatched and couldn't hold a block all night. That interior line looked shakey on all money downs in the 2nd half. Kyle never adjusted and Griff got punished. One thing that really sort of blew me away last night was our inability to hold the edge either by TE's or by tackles and guards on pulls. So instead of being able to skp to the sidelines the vikings forced griff back inside towards the pain. It was a great strategy and it worked well. Again we didn't adjust and GRiff got hit all night.

- Griff played well, I thought he did when he was in a his zone, but once they got him out of it he never got back in. Sprayed a few balls, missed a few open receivers and took his eyes off the field early a few times because of the blitz. Statistically dude has a good game, and kept his team in a position to win, the playcalling let him down.

- Kyle other teams are going to blitz you until you prove you can beat it, please believe Philly is coming.

- For as well as the defense has played, they got manhandled when it counted. The game plan of making the Vikings beat you through the air only works if you get pressure and make Ponder/Cassel uncomfortable, if you give any NFL qb the amount of time and clear views they allowed last night they will all have similar success to what we saw last night. Dudes were running free, the TE was a big target who killed us in the middle of the field. The thing that really burns me up is how every week the other teams know how to call plays that have Perry Riley matched up against a wr with little to no help. It happens almost twice a game for big yards. Frustrating as hell.

- First Round Talent Al, nuff said dude is a baller and gave it everything. On money downs I think I need Al in the game, as good as Roy Helu is out of the 3rd down set Al keeps defenses honest and when you need it, he's got to be in the game.

- At half time the Vikings made great adjustments and Kyle made none, we lost.

- Goaline play calling, I was salty because Jordan dropped a sure td, and the fade route call was atrocious. Two weeks, two different types of emotions.

- GREAT recognition by Reed Doughty and Sav on the fake punt poor recognition by Niles Paul. You're uncovered as a burner, you're supposed to be looking inside anyway, poor awareness. Still a great job by Reed and Sav.

- Brian Orakpo anyone? Anyone? Ok just checking. Meanwhile Ryan Kerrigan dropped and int that would've either won the game or set the O up with an excellent chance to win the game. Its a play we've seen him make his entire career, but last night it just didn't go our way.

- As a sloppy and undisciplined team we commit penalties you can't come back from. The personal foul penalties to extend drives and give the Vikes new life are inexcusable.

- Shanny running out of time dog.

- GAWD we have to beat the Eagles.

Also the bad coaching and bad OL are a terrible combination.

Griff doesn't have the explosion to run away from Defenders like he did last year, so you've got to find ways to protect him.

Oh and that D looking like its about to be blown up again, so......

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but I didn't realize he's a straight up beast.

I was skeptical last year because he doesn't have that breakaway speed, but the dude is just an incredible runner.

Patient, tough, smart.

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- Which Griff will show up? Now granted the last couple weeks he hasn't been bad, but the play calling has left him wanting.

- Which D will show up? If Brandon Merriweather gets too excited he's going to take a shot at Desean I can see that happening. Shady look like he's back in stride just in time to take us apart again. We held Adrian Peterson under 100 but he hurt us in the 4th quarter when we absolutely had to stop him. i'm genuinely worried about how this unit will fare on Sunday. With Foles playing very efficient ball and using Riley Cooper the offense isn't what Chip might've thought but its become very consistent and winning games.

- Our Special teams are viewing games that they didn't give up touchdowns as wins, yea nuff said.

- I hate to break this to people, this team isn't that good and doesn't seem to have the same belief and heart that last years team did.

- If we don't see a huge turn around I think Shanny might be done after next year, and i'd be in favor. I know I know all the pleas copped, my thing is record if he can't win, then you've got to move on.

- We better run Alf into the ground, Roy is cool and all but Alf is the motor that makes this car go. Ride him.

- Will Philly's streak of not winning at home continue?

That will be his third season out of four with double-digit losses.

But that double digit losses thing is killer.

It's not like we're playing a tough division.

Coaches usually get canned for that sort of thing. Shanny is WAY too conceited to quit or resign so he'll have to get the boot.

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Although i'm sure he won't fire his son.

The only way I see his son leaving is if the Houston HC job opens. Rumor has it they'd love to have him.

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It would enable us to cut shanny ties all at once.

lol

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

I'm not copping anything for Mike, but I don't have a problem with him playing out his 5 year contract and go from there. Now, if Kyle were to leave, I wouldn't have a problem with that at all, but I doubt pops would can him

Ya'll just going to have to fire us both. so I get it, I just hate that its my team.

>- Our Special teams are viewing games that they didn't give up
>touchdowns as wins, yea nuff said.
>

These people seem to have very short-term memories when it comes to RGIII. He has been erratic this year. For anybody that expected him to come back and immediately be the player he was last year, was fooling themselves.

This team is so flawed and RGIII was able to mask some of it with his athletic abilities last year. He has to play perfect for this team to be competitive.


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Most people writing Bob off are fans of other teams with their wishful thinking.

People are critical of him and he's a young QB with a lot to learn, but nobody rational thinks he's a problem, not the current and future solution.

in DC.

I stand corrected.

Nobody but talk radio listeners and opposing fans think Bob is part of the problem, not the solution.

Give this guy one offseason at least. Sheesh...

Team's post.

We talk about our team in here.

http://tinyurl.com/nvcsetr

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One of the big head-scratchers this year has been Shanny having Davis inactive almost every game this season. You cannot tell me Davis is not one of the best players on the roster come game day.

If Davis is active this week and balls out, won't be a good look for the father-son dynamic duo.


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I mean I don't know Helu missed a terrible block that got RG killed and took points off the board Helu still in there. So i don't really know. They don't like fred, but dude can catch and can run.

They better use him, they already fucked him from his bonus at least let him help the team.

Josh Morgan was inactive this past game, he hasn't been helping to catch the ball and his special teams have been miserable so might as well give the white guy a try.

Not sure how far his athleticism gets us.

It got him inactive.

no reason to invest time in knuckleheads.

freddy is talented but wont go on to do great things once he leaves here.

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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

- Griff has not progressed as passer, we all know this. The NFL knows this, so they're going to give Alf his yardarge, but they're going to make Griff beat them, and until he proves he can do that, by going through his progressions and finding his second option and hitting him we will have similar outcomes like on sunday. Philly took 1 man outta the box to sit them in the seam routes and intermediate routes we like to run off the read option fake, so Alf had room, but Griff did not. They sat on our first read across the middle (which is Griff's best throw by the way) and made him go out. Logan Paulsen was WIDE open, and Griff couldn't hit him. He's not polished, we know that. An off-season is what he needs. Away from microphones, away from expectations, just him the coaches, some video and the practice field. After the season i want Griff to go away from football for a month and then come right back to Redskins park and be there all off season. He's super talented and he will be the qb we need someday, but that day isn't today or tomorrow.

- Hey where were those super aggressive bookend rushers we used to have? Oh yea no where to be seen all day sunday. Philly does not have elite offensive lineman yet Orakpo got one, Kerrigan got none and London got one on a delayed blitz. Our defensive backfield isn't good enough for them to provide NO pressure and next week with Colin who can skate its not looking good. Nick Foles looked comfortable as shit all day. He also had more yards than Griff on the read option.

- Db's didn't play terribly, Amerson is young and Cooper caught him with a few pushoffs, but for the most part i'm not really upset about how they played. The only play I was really salty with was the Brent Celek screen pass that almost went for 6.

- Tackling Shady McCoy is hard, I get it. People have been screaming about how Ryan Kerrigan got locked up on Shady on that wheel route. That's incredible play design and they caught us with our pants down. That's a pretty standard blitz we run where London hesitates and tries to get free up the middle. He didn't get there, which left Kerrigan one on one with one of the most dangerous men on the field. Again great play calling by them, if we got to Foles it wouldn't have happened. We ran the same blitz on London's sack.

- Our offensive line is terrible in straight pocket protection, those dudes were getting mushed back into Griff ALL day long. Then to add insult to injury when they were doing their jobs, Roy Helu gave a TERRIBLE cut block that got Griff blown the fuck up. My wife goes "why is he always on the ground with his helmet off?" My wife is astute fam, she doesn't even watch the whole game but every time she sees us on offense our qb is on the ground, meanwhile theirs is pristine and clean. Pass blocking is not a strength for them at all. I understand that quick undersized lineman are the staple of any zone blocking unit but the ability to do the cornerstone of your job has to be evident. The Eagles mushed them all game long. Shameful.

- That special teams kat we promoted from the practice squad showed it was his first game. He may have to help outta the slot because punt returns may not be in his future.

- Josh Morgan didn't play and I saw a number of missed blocks on the outside this past week. Just something I noticed

- Pierre didn't get enough throws, he's the only real option he must get touches.

- Hey Aldrick Robinson caught a ball

- This team will be different next year as I think London will be gone, there will be a new safety, probably a new punter, new lineman, we

- Trent I need you to worry about how you're getting worked up front, not what the Umpire said to you. Focus on the team in Green, not the one in black and white.

Is there a chance we even win one?

The Giants are improved and by the time we play them, they may find their stride all the way so honestly its not looking good to get 1 divisional win this year.

but it's not like Snyder will hire anyone decent to replace him.

I just enjoy getting to root for Bob, and ignore the rest.

He said there were only 5 players worth keeping.

Griff, Alf, Pierre, Trent, & Jordan!!!!

Those are more or less the only players that would get drafted as starters on another team.

Amerson gets a pass bc he's a rookie, and I assume London is retiring.

Orakpo/Kerrigan are borderline. Perry Riley is alright I guess.

That's about it.

Merriweather? Rambo? Doughty? The entire defensive line? LG-C-RG-RT? Morgan/Moss/Hankerson?

These players are barely replacement level.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahans-poor-defenses-with-the-redskins-and-broncos-speak-volumes/2013/11/20/7a919636-5222-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html

"In (Shanny's) years, Washington has ranked 20th, 22nd, 22nd and now 30th in points allowed . That’s an average ranking of 24th in a 32-team league. That’s the worst defensive standing, relative to the whole league, in the reign of any Redskins coach since Otto Graham in the ’60s ... The Redskins allowed an average of 314 points in the three years before Shanahan arrived. That’s the baseline. Since he brought in Jim Haslett as coordinator and replaced a functional 4-3 defense with a generally inept 3-4, the number of points allowed, per full season, has skyrocketed to 398."

i've defended the 3-4 and haslett to some degree but the bottom line is that the defensive performance has been unacceptable. The talent isnt so lacking that they should be this bad.

now, with the cap hit coming off, is the right time to make a change. before letting shanny fully make the team in his own image, in a contract year when he has no incentive to think long term, they might as well blow this thing up.

Give Rg3 a full offseason with the new coach. let the new regime start with RG, Morris, Helu, Garcon and Reed and fill out the rest of the offense. Find a competent safety and ILB and get a special teams coach that isnt garbage.

i'm done defending these folks. the NFC east sucks and worst to first is attainable next season. bring on lovie, dungy, gruden, cowher, jimmy johnson, briles and try again.

>
>i've defended the 3-4 and haslett to some degree but the
>bottom line is that the defensive performance has been
>unacceptable. The talent isnt so lacking that they should be
>this bad.

The system doesn't even matter. With this secondary it wouldn't matter.

However you are right that while there are holes, they have no business being this bad. That's on Haslett. He needed to be gone yesterday.

>
>now, with the cap hit coming off, is the right time to make a
>change. before letting shanny fully make the team in his own
>image, in a contract year when he has no incentive to think
>long term, they might as well blow this thing up.

That's what I'm worried about. Even more short-term thinking while Shanahan tries to save his job.

But I doubt Shanahan agrees to go into next year without an extension. Snyder will extend him a few years and then fire him if the team starts slow.



>
>Give Rg3 a full offseason with the new coach. let the new
>regime start with RG, Morris, Helu, Garcon and Reed and fill
>out the rest of the offense. Find a competent safety and ILB
>and get a special teams coach that isnt garbage.

Yup. Basically we have a franchise QB and some good skill position players (though the WRs corps after Garcon needs serious work).


>
>i'm done defending these folks. the NFC east sucks and worst
>to first is attainable next season. bring on lovie, dungy,
>gruden, cowher, jimmy johnson, briles and try again.

Bring in some OL, some secondary, a WR2 and a decent coaching staff (basically: fire Team Pres Shanahan) and this team will be doing just fine.

I don't think it'll happen but I'd love it.

This year is a wrap and let the kids grow with the new coach, thank Shanny for his work and move on.

this team needs a defensive minded leader.

i also like a guy thats been to the SB and *lost*. someone skilled, still hungry and humble...

I could do with a plan that consisted of a good defense + Bob.

Hire a decent offensive mind to call the offense.

I like that plan.

Yes that plan would work for me completely.

TERRIBLE.

Please, NO MORE offensive gurus, steady neglecting the defense.

Man, I don't even think he is even on the radar though, sadly.


<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

In the direction they've been going the last couple of weeks.

Which I hope doesn't happen.

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past his prime, stubborn, not good at playing GM.

He was basically telling folks that if he got the head coaching job, he'd see what Kirk Cousins can do and Robert might be outta here.

It just highlights the decision making process by Shanny. At first I thought it was a smart move and they were going to use him for picks this past year; but when they held onto him I thought it was a bad move.

They always say on a bad team, everybody's favorite player is the back-up QB. If you watch this team, you cannot tell me putting Cousins behind this o-line would make a huge difference.

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hell of a way to say thanks but no thanks.

RG3 is boys with Snyder, so we know kirk aint replacing anybody.

we need the highest pick possible in the second round.

also, if shanny loses the team, he is more likely to get fired.

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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

Just look at the matchups:

- You knew they D was going to try and stop the run which means Big Kap was going to abuse our garbage ass secondary.

- 49ers d-line is beastly, our o-line is only beastly in the run game. You knew the 49ers were going to take that away which means the o-line was going to have to pass block (well, we see how that went).

- Garcon is the only legit receiver we have with Reed out and Davis not getting any run. Hell, even sure-handed Santana Moss is dropping passes this year


This team is shit. RGIII is catching all the heat but any smart fan can see he's not even one of the top 5 problems with this team.



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>This team is shit. RGIII is catching all the heat but any smart fan can see he's not even one of
> the top 5 problems with this team

That game last night put all of our flaws on display, for a national TV audience to gawk at.

I say it's a shame for RGII to take this heat, but on the flip side he got MOST (albeit deservedly so) of the praise for what we did last year, but still it's disheartening, and you don't that type of stuff getting to your young franchise QB.

Our line(s)are so bad, and looking at what the niners were doing last night, by just rushing four, just shows how we ain't ready (literally for prime time). They were only rushing four, and getting legit serious pressure on our QB (this is the tactic from here on out by the way) while dropping seven in coverage. If your team has the talent (like the 49ers especially do) or with some appropriately timed blitzes at the weakest points of our line (everywhere except Trent) you can have our number. The offense can't go and every play looks like a broken play, last-ditch effort before the QB gets blasted, time and time again.

I have finally seen the light on Shanahan and he need to GO! i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and have him remain for the sake of continuity, but all of this shit his fault due to his inability to build a team correctly. I was even willing accept that the cap penalty is a valid defense for our inability to field a balanced team. Come realize that he was in charge when that shit went down. It was HIS FAULT, which ultimately i attribute to him being old and trying to cut corners to getting the team out of the mass that was the Snyder/Cerrato era, but he shot himself in the foot.

There is no guarantee, if given the opportunity, that he won't make another similarly team-crippling mistake, because he's old and is running out of time (like leaving the already hurt franchise QB out on the field, up by 14 in the playoffs).

Ugh. Bring on the offseason and get rid of this dude.



<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

anyway.

Garcon is the only decent FA move he's made.

The rest is the scrap heap of OJ Atogwe, Tanard Jackson, and Josh Morgan.

The whole offensive line are scrap heap reclamation projects, except for Williams.

In year four, that's not good at all. Shanahan has had ample opportunity to pick up/draft prospects as opposed to relying on other teams cast-offs. (Licthensteiger, Chester, Polumbus, Jammal Brown).

It's bad!

The team can't run a standard drop back offense because they aren't built for that AT ALL. They (the niners) were killing them last night with a basic four man rush.



<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

- I'm going to make this quick because they don't deserve the super long explanations anymore, we've seen it all before, and we've said it all before.

- The entire line looked overmatched and weak, usually this does not include Trent, but Trent got his lunch money taken last night. Aldon Smith took his lunch money and asked him what he was going to buy with his lunch money. Shit was really bad, they were in the backfield all night. O Line overhaul.

- Griff is pressing really badly to prove he's still good. Its costing the team. Dudes are open sometimes, so stop saying they aren't, he can't hit them. The first one he overthrew Aldrick Robinson by 7 yards, then he underthrew him by 6. Aldrick should've caught the 2nd one. Bad game by him, bad game by everyone involved. Also his pocket presence isn't great, there were times when the line gave him a pocket to step up into and he just took off running. He'll get better though.

- Josh Wilson got EATEN ALIVE last night, everytime Kaep just looked for 26 and let the ball go. Quan too big for him, shit everyone is too big for him. It was a rough night for him.

- Um how do you lose Vernon Davis on the goaline?

- Santana is old and reliable, i'll miss him next season.

- We were laughin that once Alf hit 50 yards they'd take him out and he wouldnt' touch the ball again for the rest of the game, then it happened :-(

- We know the defense doesn't provide any pressure but damn, Orakpo just runs RIGHT by the qb almost every rush, he's got to get some better rush moves.

- How bad does it have to get to put Shanny FIRMLY on the hotseat.

- I'll never understand the idea of taking the powerback out in short yardage situations. NEVER, I know Kyle is trying to trick the defense by putting a pass look in the game, but dude just run the fucking ball!

There isn't one area you can look at on this team and say "well ya know, if they built around THAT they might be on to something."

Don't grasp and say running game; it's 2013, how far are you going to really go when running the ball is your bread and butter?

Literally EVERYTHING this team does is poor. It's time for a change.

The problem is if you don't have the defense to go with running the ball then that is when it becomes pointless..

>The problem is if you don't have the defense to go with
>running the ball then that is when it becomes pointless..

If you don't have the defense, there's no point. Teams will let Alfred get his 100, then put up 30 points on the defense.

>
>- We know the defense doesn't provide any pressure but damn,
>Orakpo just runs RIGHT by the qb almost every rush, he's got
>to get some better rush moves.

cant beat a double team.
has one "move"

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BWAHAHAHAA..yall sorry as fuck

>BWAHAHAHAA..yall sorry as fuck

*here*

dude, you tried to tell us a few seasons ago how this was gonna go down & i didnt wanna accept it at the time & for that i was dumb

Shanahan was a shitty GM/Pres in Denver, and yet Danny hired him to do the same thing here.

It was never going to work.

But nobody's ever accused Dan Snyder of knowing how to win football games.

Not sure where we're going next.

But when I saw that he was defacto-GM I knew it was a wrap.

but I was hoping he'd be a good coach

thought he'd be a good GM. Completely ignored his tenure in Denver.

He said Fred Davis has been acting up because Shanny simply doesn't like him and Shanny LETS it be known. So this has soured him. He said the Shannies feel and always have felt that Logan Paulsen was better than Fred Davis.

He went on to say that *skins need to "stop trying to prove a point" and just release him. They're just wasting a roster spot.


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He was active, he was ready to go and Niles Paul wasn't getting it done yet Fred didn't see the field until it was too late.

They already cost him $500K they might as well just let him go.

like all the true prophets

BLACK

I know Pierre "Waiter" is a large portion of this but c'mon.

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I'm surprised $18m is most in the league.

Doesn't Calvin Johnson make that by himself?

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

'Official Washington Redskins 2013 OffSeason Post'

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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2013/11/show-everyone-youre-not-racist-by-buying-a-t-shirt-redskins-snyder-racis.html

- Well after 2.5 weeks of absolutely destroying Robert Griffin, ya'll can't blame him for this one. He played well, went through his progressions (albeit a bit slowly) but he scanned the field and did very at times. I was happy with his decision making and his ability to get down and save himself some hits. All in all great game from Griff, a really nice effort wasted.

- We heap a lot of praise on Pierre for being a good player, well last night he was not a good player. He dropped balls, got Deboed, and was basically off all night. Silly mistakes, the play in the endzone where he kicked the ball in the stands Griff read it to the inside where the corner would have a difficult time getting turned around to, Garcon went outside, looking at the play qb was right wr was wrong, ball was almost picked off. All around bad game.

- Speaking of bad game, that Offensive line gave up a ton of sacks in the 2nd half. It was almost like it was a different group. I know some of it had to do with coverage and our inability to run the ball last night, but one player had 4 sacks. Will montgomery looked overmatched, Chris Chester per usual and Tyler Polumbus had a terrible game. I can't wait to get rid of Polumbus. We've been mathematically eliminated lets see what those young kids we drafted can do on the line.

- Fred Davis, this game epitomizes why he hasn't played. Has a nice catch to get his team in scoring range and then immediately gets penalized and pushes the team back and fucks things up. Late in the game runs a great route to get open on a must have catch, and drops the ball. Thanks for playing Fred that tape and your demeanor will be your undoing not coach shanny.

- I'm not really mad at the D, they actually applied pressure last night and got to Eli quite abit. The secondary wasn't terrible and tackled well. The one play in the endzone to their TE, Perry sprinted out to take away the seam from Victor Cruz, the Safety didn't then come in to take the opposite seam away on the other side leaving tons of room for that route to be run. TD. Perry read his keys and knew what the giants liked to do in that situation with Cruz, i'm not sure what was happening on the other side.

- 11 carries for Alf? Yea not enough, and we see the result. When he started to get goin, penalties. Didn't use him enough.

- WHAT IN THE ENTIRE FUCK was up with the dropped passes in crunch time? Logan, Pierre, Fred, all dropped balls they catch 9-10. Horrible time to make those mistakes, but that's what bad teams do.

- So once again the special teams shoots this team in the foot. The long snapper dribbling one back to Sav, congrats to Sav for even getting that thing off. UGLY UGLY UGLY in crunch time.

- Now to the officials, I'm still not convinced that fg was good. doesn't matter though. That screw up with down and distance was a horrible fuck up, but you know what was a larger fuck up? Fred not catching aball Griff put on him. Literally put it on him. Fred got soft and dropped the ball. I know the commentators will have you believe that the play calling came from down and distance and that the refs cheated us out of a situation, but naw dog the play was there to be made and we ain't make it. Don't look at the stripes, look at 83, 88, and 82. Was the miss an egregious one? Absolutely, but was that the reason they lost? NOPE

- Let me stop and give Kyle some credit for the opening couple of series of play calls, he had NYG down in the first half. Knew their tendencies and where to attack them. Really nice game plan and it worked well in the first half. That 2nd half doe...........

not sure why they abandoned it

I didn't get it. The offense was moving the ball, and then all of a sudden the play calling changed.

Cooley, said it was almost as if there were plays Kyle "wanted to get to" versus sticking with "what worked."

He effectively outsmarted himself. It's like he wants to show people how smart he is.

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he needs more self awareness

"some of the things we wanted to get to" so its clear that have a game plan that regardless of what's working on the field they want to get to the rest of the plan.

its usually why this team looks so uneven from half to half.

>- Well after 2.5 weeks of absolutely destroying Robert
>Griffin, ya'll can't blame him for this one. He played well,
>went through his progressions (albeit a bit slowly) but he
>scanned the field and did very at times. I was happy with his
>decision making and his ability to get down and save himself
>some hits. All in all great game from Griff, a really nice
>effort wasted.

Yup.

A young, talented QB in his 2nd year continues to show improvement despite being behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league throwing to one of the worst WR corps in the league.

Let alone Nepotism, the boy wonder.

>
>- Fred Davis, this game epitomizes why he hasn't played. Has a
>nice catch to get his team in scoring range and then
>immediately gets penalized and pushes the team back and fucks
>things up.

Dude I thought the exact same thing as soon as the penalty happens: that is Sleepy in a fucking nut shell.

>- 11 carries for Alf? Yea not enough, and we see the result.
>When he started to get goin, penalties. Didn't use him enough.
>

Keim's post-game write up noted that the Giants scheme was centered around stopping 'fred and messing up the blocking lanes.

They would have paid for it int the passing game but, well, our receivers.

- Fred Davis is who we thought he as.

- The book is out on our Offense, Make Griffin and the receivers beat you. As of right now they can't do it, so just load that box up on Alf and drop the lbs back into coverage when Helu is in the game and take your shots when they come. Its a great and effective game plan, Young shanny has to find something to combat it.

run first, play action second would work.

But with a terrible D, teams know they can let us get 100 on the ground, don't let Bob go crazy and just put up points on our D.

He said the Defense gives up 30 points per game! So you're asking your O to score 31 just to stay in a game. You drive up to the stadium and there's already 30 on the board, how are you going to blame an offense when your D isn't stopping anyone.

I was like damn, I knew we were bad but fuckin 30 points per game! Its really tough to stay in game when you give up that amount of points.

I really need Alf to stay in on Passing downs, because the D needs to stay honest, they don't do it with Helu, time to switch up some of those personnel groupings

The higher our 2nd round pick the better.

I'd still use 3 firsts on RG3 right today. Happily.

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This is all I keep hearing that if Shanny is gone, Gruden will be the next coach hired. They say the organization loves Gruden and there are a lot of former Gruden guys on this current coaching staff, scouting department, and a couple in the front office.

Would this just be a younger version of what we currently have? Plus, if you listened to the broadcast a couple weeks ago, Gruden seems to be in love with Cousins (for some reason or another).

Also, just heard Chris Russell say that if this current coaching staff is let go, the *skins are contractually on the hook for $16 - $18 million.

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>Would this just be a younger version of what we currently have?

YES.

Shanny is owed 7 mil on his own, plus Haz, Young shanny, and Radio all will collect large sums if let go. It doesn't behoove us financially to do it but honestly we've got enough dough it doesn't matter.

Gruden is a bad look and he'd much rather stay in the booth and get paid to be smart about football.

but he's never cared about paying coaches who he fired.

Jim Zorn is rich forever off of Dan Snyder. So clearly he doesn't give a fuck about paying people to go away.

- Andy Reid's coming to town and his bringing a really good Defense to town.

- This one might be over by mid 3rd quarter.

- Alex Smith doesn't make a ton of mistakes and he's a lot more mobile than folks give him credit for, he'll cause nightmares with our D this weekend.

- Can the offense generate a run game against a top tier defense? We know they're stuffing the box against Alf, can we still manage to grind out some yards? Will players keep their blocks this week? Last week backside and frontside blocks being missed caused potential big gainers to go for nothing.

- I believe Pierre will have a redeem game, his ineffectiveness and getting deboed will have him come outta the gates hard and fast. Will it matter though?

- Jordon oh Jordan where could you be?

- Does anyone else notice that outside of Merriweather when our players get concussions I don't even remember seeing the play they get blasted on. That sort of worries me, that like if its not a highlight reel hit, but folks are being kept out 2-3 weeks because of it, something has to change.

- I still love them, but they not going to win this week

But I suspect we'll see Cousins sometime in the second half.

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Just got a breaking news text that the Shannahans were considering sitting RGIII the rest of the season because there is MAJOR friction between RGIII and Kyle.

Yeah, the Shannies need to go because I have a feeling I know what this is about.


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If Danny has to choose between the Shanny's and his not so shiny franchise QB, guess which one he's choosing. So he'll eat that 18 Mil and bring someone else in here.

From all that i've heard Griff and Kyle don't see eye to eye on much.

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And damn near prophetic. He called that shit, right after the draft and everyone laughed at him and called him bitter.

Now look what has transpired in the past year.

Crazy!



<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

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too bad dude sucked too much to vindicate HIMSELF

and you named yourself after one

think about that

Quote from Deion last night...

“Can somebody say something about the defense is hot smoking garbage?” Sanders requested. “I mean, garbage with heat on it. That’s how stank this is. Thirty-one points a game; so you mean to tell me when I drive into the stadium and I look up at the scoreboard, it’s 31 up there. I’ve got to get 32 just to be in the game. We’re putting this on RGIII; he’s not a glimpse of himself from a year ago, neither is the running game whatsoever, neither is the offensive line whatsoever. But the defense is HORRIFIC. Let’s focus on that every now and then.”

I just can't wait for this situation with Shanahan to be resolved. I just don't know nor have faith in Snyder to figure out the next step.

This article is a bit long, but it sums up where we are today with Mike Shanahan and the team...


Mike Shanahan's Brilliant Last Act as Redskins Coach: Making Everyone Forget He Sucked
http://httr24-7.com/blog/mike-shanahans-brilliant-last-act-as-redskins-coach-making-everyone-forget-he-sucked/

If you listened to the post game shows today, you wouldn’t know that Mike Shanahan has led his team to a 3-10 record. You wouldn’t know that his record as Redskins head coach is 24-37. You wouldn’t know that his roster, as constructed, is poor to put nicely and downright terrible and embarrassing to be blunt and honest.

You won’t know that his coaching staff is a mess. That the only reason defensive coordinator Jim Haslett still has a job was because, to get back into the NFL, he was willing to forgo autonomy to Mike Shanahan (meanwhile, the other candidate, Mike Zimmer, is coordinating one of the NFL’s top defenses). You wouldn’t know that Bob Slowik, a below average coach, was shoved into a role as linebacker coach, a role he’d never held before. You wouldn’t know that that the Redskins have had 3 wide receiver coaches in four years, none of whom had coaching experience, and in the case of Mike McDaniels, had only previously experiences coaching running backs.

You wouldn’t that Mike’s had complete control of the franchise for four years, with absolutely zero input from principal owner Daniel Snyder. That the team is constructed entirely of players he chose. That, though he was certainly screwed, he played a key role in the Redskins getting a $36 million dollar cap hit, in large part because he wanted to get in a pissing contest with Albert Haynesworth.

You wouldn’t know about the infamous Shanahan Doghouse, or the mediocre draft choices, or the offensive line that never seemed to get better, or the defense that, like so many Shanahan teams, couldn’t gain any traction, or the special teams unit disasters that span two coaches.

What you’ll hear a lot of in the next few days isn’t about Mike Shanahan’s failures as a head coach. Instead, you’ll hear about Dan Snyder and Robert Griffin III’s “relationship”.

By conveniently leaking info over the course of the last few weeks — about RG3′s insecurity, about Dan’s meddling — Mike Shanahan, effectively, found a way to absolve himself of any and all failure of the organization. No, none of this is Mike’s fault. It’s Robert Griffin III, the insecure quarterback who rushed himself back because he was scared of losing a job to Kirk Cousins. It’s Dan Snyder, ever the meddlesome meddler meddling his way into ruining the team’s championship chances.They say the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist. I don’t want to call Mike Shanahan the devil, but he certainly did a great job of convincing everyone that he didn’t exist, didn’t he?

The lack of accountability from Mike Shanahan has been staggering. Gary Kubiak, a Shanahan disciple, lost his job, but did so with grace and seeming to know his role in the team’s failures, and did it with humility and class. Shanahan, on the verge of losing his job, decided to backstab the owner and the quarterback who seemed poised to bring him back to relevancy and restore his Hall of Fame legacy.

Dan Snyder has given Mike Shanahan everything he wanted. Mike Shanahan told Dan Snyder not to hire him if he didn’t give him five years to turn things around. Dan Snyder gave him a 5 year contract. Mike Shanahan asked for total control, including the role of general manager. Dan gave it to him (despite the fact that the actualgeneral manager Bruce Allen wasn’t totally sold on Shanahan). Dan gave him full control of the cap, full control of player acquisition. He built him a training bubble, remodeled Redskins Park, renovated the stadium, okayed the trade of three first round picks to secure a franchise quarterback.

Dan watched as Mike Shanahan humiliated Donovan McNabb. He did not stir when Shanny trouted out John Beck and Rex Grossman, did not fret when failed trades like Jammal Brown withered away and died. Even when fans demanded that Dan get involved, he stayed away, let Shanahan handle it, stayed the course, did notoverreact, did not move his office back to Redskins Park, did not get buddy-buddy with players. Did not fire Mike Shanahan, even with pundits and analyst (many of whom will line up behind Shanahan to thumb their nose at Snyder) said he should.

In a league where NFL owners pinch pennies and nickel and dime coaches and are quick to pull the trigger on any coach that fails, Dan Snyder, however a jerk you may view him as, however many coaches have not worked out, gave Mike Shanahan every-damn-thing he wanted, including time.

And all he got in return was three losing seasons out of four, and stabbed in the back, portrayed as the same meddlesome, conniving snake that the media loves to pretend Dan is.

“Mike Shanahan is a Hall of Fame coach.” They’ll say. They’ll say what a good coach he is, and how it’s a shame that Dan has once again let a relationship between himself and a player undermine the coaching relationship. Poor Mike Shanahan, dealing with that Dan guy again. Look how bad he treated Norv (who everyone wanted gone) and Marty (who quit after Dan tried to strip him of his GM role) and Spurrier (who also quit but Dan begged to come back) and how he ruined Joe Gibbs’ legacy (who left the team on short notice after he also quit and, oh yeah, by the way, Gibbs had his hand in every bad and stupid move that was made during that four years and Dan also begged to stay) and screwed Jim Zorn (who was in over his head). Dan’s just a horrible owner and as long as he’s the Redskins owner they’ll never be successful because he’s basically Snidely effing Whiplash with a burgundy colored top hat. And no mustache.

Mike just wasn’t given a fair shot with an owner like Dan Snyder, giving him the keys to the team and organization, moving his office out of the building and basically watching Mike ruin it. How unfair to Mike.

The truth is, Mike quit at 3-6 in 2012. For all the back talk about how Dan and Rob are buddy-buddy (Thanksgiving Dinners and security and limos for the wife, oh my), Mike quit on the team in 2012 at 3-6. All that “evaluating for next season” talk wasn’t meant to inspire a team. Remember how many players seemed taken a back and surprised by it? Mike quit. He tapped out. He pulled a Spurrier. The going got tough and the not-so-tough got going.

Mike likely did quit at the end of the 2012 season, even though by all accounts he didn’t go as far as packing up his office. (Shanny the martyr, so bullied by Dan Snyder and RGIII he felt he had no choice to leave.)

Versus Seattle, his decision to keep RGIII in the game — a decision he said to have made because he couldn’t afford losing the kid’s trust — wound up costing him exactly that. But even before that, the relationship was damaged, as RGIII asked (not demanded, not went behind Mike’s back to Dan, simply asked) to not run the read-option. Coming off the injury, RGIII ran it once against Philly, then ran it a ton versus Dallas, and then ran it versus Seattle. And then, when RGIII re-aggravated his knee injury on the second drive of the game, they still didn’t stop; Kyle Shanahan still called a read-option play.

RGIII runs the plays as called. Despite his problems with them, he still goes out there and executes to the best of his abilities. He’s not insubordinate like Donovan McNabb. He does what he’s asked. But the trust between the coaches and Rob was severed. The Griffins weren’t interested in a relationship with a coach who couldn’t respect their son’s/husband’s/own wishes to not be put in any further danger. RGIII couldn’t hold his tongue all the time, running a scheme wherein he felt like Mike and Kyle couldn’t meet him halfway, and oh yeah, still making him run the read-option and expose his twice surgically repaired ACL to more unnecessary hits, even with a stud running back more than capable of taken and entire season’s worth of pounding.

Mike never took any responsibility for what happened on that cold January day. In fact, he went so far as to blame Dr. James Andrews for suggesting that Robert could play, and pinned more blame on the 22-year-old kid not wanting to come out of the game. (Poor Mike, he was simply misinformed, if only he had known what seemingly everyone on the planet watching that playoff game could see. Maybe the suntan lotion was in his eyes.)

The lack of accountability is disappointing and insulting, particularly for yours truly, who has defended Mike through what I thought were dark times. As we look at the tattered remains of another season, I feel lied to. I feel like I was sold a product I didn’t get. I feel I was sold a Bill of Rights about respect and culture and accountability, but that the head coach couldn’t be bothered to follow those ideas.

I feel like he duped Dan Snyder into giving him a 5 year deal to make money, not to build a winner. I feel like none of the stuff he did, the suffering he made Redskins fans go through, was actually effing worth it. That the sloppy play of the players isn’t on the players, but on the coach. That the lack of accountability that players often displayed is the direct result of the fact that the coach rarely held players accountable.
That all the crap about “great practices” and “character guys” was just that, crap. Mike Shanahan lied to RedskinsNnation. And then, at 3-6, in 2012, things got hard, and he quit. And then, even after winning the division, after his team had outperformed their pay grade, after his quarterback electrified his team, the fan base, the city, the owner, the general manager, the whole goddamn league … he still wanted to quit.

I feel like when Robert Griffin III became a bigger figure than Mike, when RGIII got invited to the White House Correspondence Dinner and charity events (you know, franchise quarterback, famous person, “most recognizable athlete on the planet right now” things) and Dan Snyder happened to be there, Mike took it personal, as the Griffins had spurned his desire to be closer to the quarterback, insisting he stay the head coach. I think Mike resented the circus, I think he resented that RG3 challenged his authority in the media. I think the season went poorly and once again Mike Shanahan thought about quitting. He resented that this wasn’t Denver and that everyone didn’t always lavish him with praise and actually asked him tough questions instead of kissing his butt.

In fact, I think Mike knew he was done last week. I think he knew he was done when he cracked a joke about Pierre Garçon getting a stupid ass penalty on Sunday Night Football. When he capitulated and made excuses for his veteran players getting stupid personal fouls. I think Mike knew he was done when he declared that he had no intention of playing any of the younger players because “that was the way you lost a locker room”. I think Mike’s been strategically leaking info to Jason Reid, and Sally Jenkins (who is never at the Park and until very recently never had any access), and Adam Schefter, and Dan Granziano, to stage his exit so he and his son can exit the team looking like they were screwed.

I think Mike hit all the right notes, with an owner who’s only slightly more popular than ritual suicide. Mike planted all the seeds, and he made everyone forget that he did jack shit for the team. He made the Redskins coaching job look like a potential hell hole, which will likely give some hot head coaching candidates pause.

This week, people won’t be talking about Mike Shanahan losing a team, or what a poor job he’s done. They’ll be talking about what a bad owner Dan Snyder is, what a jerk Robert Griffin III is. Even now, people can’t wait to line up and write “MIKE AND DAN SNYDER BOTH SUCK!” articles.
What the frak did Dan do besides give his head coach everything he wanted to be successful, and extend some simple courtesies to the one guy in the last decade that has made his team relevant for reasons other than free agent busts and general dysfunction?

I feel like Mike owes me an apology. I feel like he owes Redskins Nation an apology. So many fans have stuck with him, and even now, even now, so many still stick with him. And he seems eager to quit and get out of dodge, and not only that, but to drag the team through the mud on his way out, throwing so many people under the bus on his way out there’s enough blood to repaint all the lines on I-270 red. I want an apology for the lack of accountability. I want an apology for cardiovascular endurance, for “I’d stake my career on John Beck”, for Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams and Larry Johnson, for every bullshit personnel move I defended, for the inescapable doghouse and the refusal to answer questions. For screwing the cap up and not making hard cuts, to the offensive line that’s never worthy of fixing and the defense he kept sticking his nose in even though he sucked at it. I want an apology for 6-10, 5-11 and now 3-10, I want an apology for wanting to bail on a 10 win NFC East division winner. I want an apology for not calling out Kyle Shanahan, I want an extra apology for Keith Burns, who makes me long for the days of Brandon Banks and Danny Smith’s gum chewing, I want an apology for letting Lou Spanos walk to UCLA and keeping Bob Slowik when the whole world knows he can’t coach, I want an apology for keeping Robert Griffin III in the game…

But Mike will never apologize. He’ll walk into the sun, having thoroughly screwed the team he was entrusted to rebuild, with a pocket full of cash and his Hall of Fame resume mostly in tact, while the media at large rubs it’s hands together at one more “Dan Snyder is the worst owner in sports even though he’s really not but it’s fun to pretend he is” and gets to portray Robert Griffin III as a spoiled, entitled meddler, because Cam Newton and Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are playing well and they need another black quarterback to beat up on for an offseason.

I want an apology. Redskins Nation deserves an apology. But grown adults, and brave men, and men capable of self-analysis and self-awareness apologize when their wrong.

Cowards run. Cowards play politics, cowards try to get fired, cowards blame all their failings on everyone else and never accept any fault of their own. Cowards complain about salary cap penalties and rides for player’s wife and about the owner and the quarterback being too close, which in this case basically means “occasionally being in the same place as one another.”

Bitchers do that. You do know about bitchers, right Mike Shanahan?

I’ll leave you with a quote from someone who I thought was a great man and a great head coach on “bitchers”.

Building a positive attitude and maintaining it can be tough, particularly with all the negative people there are in this world. So many people in so many organizations are so unhappy with their lots in life, they’d almost be better off in anger management classes. They just love to bitch. They thrive on it. I refer to this unhappy lot of people as bitchers.

They complain about their jobs, about their spouses, about anything and everything, as if they have a monopoly on misery. As if others really want to hear it. They don’t, but bitchers in the fraternity of the forlorn don’t care. They try to drag you into their miserable little cave dwellings, where success never will pay a visit. — Mike Shanahan


<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

I hate to say this but,

Shanahan is a bigger scumbag than Snyder at the moment. I never thought this could be possible, especially with all the bullshit Snyder has been doing as of recent with the team's name change.

This muthafucka Mike Shanahan just went full scumbag fam.

- So he states that he and Snyder have talked and somehow this nigga still has a job. Young the possibility that this fool talked to Dan and Dan was like look i'm not paying you 7mil to leave, if you want this money you've got to coach for it. Then Shanny said fuck it, I'm about to let KC get some burn and Griff about to be on the bench in the warmest clothes we can get him. We'll coach him up on our shit starting now and he'll be back starting day 1 next year. This year though, its a wrap. I don't know if this happened, but I can see it happening.

- They are 50/50 on shutting Griff down for the remainder of the season so KC masterpiece can get some burn. This muthafucka had the audacity to say that they want him fresh for OTAS! So he doesn't have a setback on that knee in these last 3 games. Yes this dude just stood at the podium and said it.

- He did however cuban B yesterday's game as his fault, but we're looking ahead to Atlanta. Naw nigga we talkin about this.

- Asked if he wanted to coach here and he didn't answer it, then someone else asked if he wanted to come back and he goes "you always want to come back" WTF.

- This shit is a certified disaster. This is what happens when you don't take qb out and protect him from himself and ruin the rest of your team.

This shit is incredible

ideally, if shanny is gonna get fired, it would be at the end of the season. the two parties walk away based on a mutual decision.

Danny needs to save as much face as possible so that he looks like he's grown into a half decent owner that legitimate coaches would interview with. For the first time ever, he is coming out on top of the PR battle.

Shanny can't afford to be fired again either for his legacy and his job prospects. Waiting until the offseason is a good look for both men.

And if danny, let alone shanny, wants to shelve RG3 for the next coach to be able to work with, good. Dude is not learning anything good from losing.

We can finally put the KC thing to rest too. Either he balls out and increases trade value or stinks and that manufactured "controversy" is over. Eff gruden by the way for feeding into it.

Organization that's stable and has leadership.

We don't have that, so we're starting from less than rock bottom, this shit is terrible!

I mean Shanny throwing Danny under the bus is a good thing right now for him. He better milk it for all its worth cause 1) Folks will briefly forget how much of a D-bag he has been this past season with this name change 2) This the way he will get a half decent coach to come in and put up with him. He better act as meek and humble as possible. Plus you don't wanna be known as the coach killer like Al Davis was. Who is he gonna hire then?

- How does the special teams coach still have a job. Dexter broke a fucking record with return yards against us. He was running like we weren't even there. I was watching this on the couch fully disgusted. I saw Niles Paul show some heart and pop his ass at the end of the game. He can stay the rest of them fools ain't got no scrupples and need to play elsewhere. I've never seen a special teams showing like that in my life. Field conditions aside i've just never seen anyhing like that.

- I can't even address all the shanny shit here, just know it's time to blow it up. Unless they all have a come to jesus and get right, but I just think there's too many egos at play for that to happen. So blow it up and lets look at some new prospects.

- The D looked like Charles and his backup plced butter on their jerseys before the game because no one could tackle either of them. It was embarrassing to say the least. Rambo with some bad tackling and just overall poor performance except...............

- Brian Orakpo, dude is REALLY in his contract year blues right now, he's working his ass off to prove he's an elite player at his position (which he's not, he's good but he's not elite) he's all over the field making tackles downfield, sacks, pressures, and even almost got a int. He's playing hard, but I don't think it'll be the payday he's looking for. I gotta give him some credit the past 2 games he's been playing hard as shit.

- Griff, well 1 up 1 down. You can stare down a backshoulder outside throw, you can't stare down and quick slant against a zone lb. That shit is going back every time. He didn't have a terrible game, but this team needs him to have great games to be able to make up for their issues everywhere else on the field.

- Saw Fred drop another one

- They make it hard to love them.

- Add on kids, this shit is ugly

And I officially stopped caring after the 49ers loss.

All this damn losing and we ain't even gonna get nothing to show for it come draft day. Man this team blows chunks of vomit right now.

Shanny has sabotaged the team more than Vinnie and any other coach has ever done.

RG3 is good. But those draft picks are at a steep price. And with the way the team is performing right now, we needed those picks. That's on Shanahan though. This team should not be in the free fall it is in right now.

I'm just looking at this as my team, it blows me away that they're so bad.

They look so dysfunctional in the 3 phases of the game. Its difficult but it'll make the winning (if it ever comes that much sweeter)

I was just too passive at that point. NOthing was bringing me back except for that.

Hell, he's even lost London Fletcher.

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Its easy to check out, especially when the coach is such a orange jackass.

>Its easy to check out, especially when the coach is such a
>orange jackass.


<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

at the end of the season he will have no choice but to start over. If Danny does anything rash, he looks like the villian.

keep playing this cool. let shanny act a fool, so a coach will see that he has the freedom to succeed or fail here on his own terms.

props to bruce allen for keeping this thing semi-controlled.

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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

Folks were just so happy to have a real coach that they were willing to overlook some shit.

This fool trotted John beck and Rex Grossman as viable starting qbs ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME.

Naw fam Shanny will continue to remind people why he should be fired, and then we'll look over at that record and its a wrap.

That whole deal about making sure none of the players leak shit, and then he going to turn around leak some shit himself! He done, fuck that dude.

if snyder does anything off speculation he ends up taking the blame.

Danny has to watch while shanny takes a crap on his lawn and carry that weight three more weeks.

i dont want to hear anything about the next coach already being identified either. Cuz whoever it is, they need to be coordinating a playoff team this year or lovie smith.

This dude shut Griff down for the season for real.

- I'm actually excited to see where this goes.

Its going down folks, lets all lock it in and see how it plays out. I would LOVE to see KC start grillin ship him off for that 1st rounder and keep it moving.

Orangeman is giving Danny, Griff, and everyone the middle finger.

he really doing it big.

shanny getting fired.

RG3 gets humbled both by the demotion and potentially by Kirk's play. if Bob is gonna be great he can come back from this.

RG3 stays healthy.

regardless of what happens, some truth is gonna come out about the offense, the quality of the line and the WRs.

If kirk starts hitting ninjas in stride and we put up 32 every week... we get an answer.

If kirk gets sacked 15 times, throws 6 picks and plays like the fourth rounder *everyone* in the league thought he was two years ago... we get an answer.

Bring on the drama...

2-4 sacks a game
250-300 yards
2 td
1 pick

but ultimately good enough that another team might trade for him. so, its a win.
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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

I would love if he balled out and got us a 1st rounder or high 2nd round pick.

Honestly not seeing Griff run for his life hold the ball and get blasted has given me a huge sense of relief.

We don't have to be afraid for his life now.

Its sad though cause Kirk got potential when he is being protected.

#2. He'll be a checkdown king if he has to

#3. Having said all that, he's going to get killed

Crazy!


<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

I expect the next Snyder hire to be just as big a failure.

#teamBob for life.

I hope that Snyder is humbled. I hope he learns a lesson in how he chooses his personnel. Cause we stuck with this man as fans...He's not going away. Just gotta hope he grows up and learns from his mistakes.

>I expect the next Snyder hire to be just as big a failure.
>
>#teamBob for life.
>

I just read some stuff about what Jake Plummer is saying about Shanny.

This shit was just not going to work with this crew. It was never set up to win.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/12/14/shanahan-cousins-could-fetch-a-first-rounder/

It's like people would rather lose "pretty" than win "ugly."


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He really is no better or worse than RG III.

I guess nobody saw how bad the team sucked overall. That was a bad showing. Everybody played a bad game.

KC gives them ability to do that. Most people can't tell you WHY a read option play works or doesn't work, but if a drop passer takes a 5 step drop and hits a player in stride you easily identify why that happened.

DC has a ton of reactionary idiots who call into talk radio. They are the vocal minority and tend to not know shit about football. KC is a good young qb and could absolutely be someone's starter, but does that mean that he has more upside that Griff? Absolutely not.

>KC is a good young qb and could absolutely be
>someone's starter, but does that mean that he has more upside
>that Griff? Absolutely not.


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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

> KC is a good young qb and could absolutely be
>someone's starter, but does that mean that he has more upside
>that Griff? Absolutely not.

any talk other than this is garbage.

these fuckers would be CRUCIFYING RG3 for the exact same performance

i'ma just leave this here. I also think Santana is saying some of this shit, just the way the sentences are formed.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24375961/kyle-shanahan-staff-inexperience-at-core-of-redskins-dysfunction

Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, son of head coach Mike Shanahan, has not endeared himself to others on the staff and within Redskins Park, according to numerous team sources. According to current and former staff members, Kyle Shanahan has been granted virtual autonomy by Mike Shanahan to guide the team.

Conversations with several people within the organization have revealed a similar perception of Kyle Shanahan as someone who was empowered and enabled by his father, spending an abundance of time in his father's office, given a wide swath of power, and rubbing many people -- players, fellow coaches and members of football operations -- the wrong way. At the same time, Kyle Shanahan has been the most heavily rewarded of the team's assistant coaches, as team sources said the two-year extension Shanahan earned following the playoff run in 2012 will pay him $1.5M in 2014 alone. That's money he's almost certain to collect away from the team, with this regime widely expected to be fired after this season.

With the team in a 3-10 collapse, Robert Griffin III now inactive and the franchise in disarray, the composition of this staff has fallen under criticism, as has the work of the Shanahans in particular, with the lack of experience and pedigree on the offensive side of the ball seen as a particular problem both within the organization and outside it.

“Kyle is the head coach, it's just that no one knows he is,” said one member of the organization. “He gets whatever he wants. And he has no relationship at all with (quarterback Robert Griffin II). So how could it work?”

Kyle Shanahan apparently rubs many people within the Redskins organization the wrong way. (USATSI)

As a former member of the organization put it: “Kyle bitches about everything, and then his father has to fix it. He bitches about the food in the cafeteria, he bitches about the field, he bitches about the equipment. He complains and then Mike takes care of it. Kyle is a big problem there. He is not well liked.”

Several members of the organization said Kyle Shanahan was a cause of internal strife, surrounding himself with young coaches with inferior experience, and allowing for no checks and balances of outside voices in the offensive coaching rooms.

“This is the NFL, it's not supposed to be a training ground for coaches,” said someone who has worked with Kyle Shanahan in Washington. “It's ridiculous. Look at this staff. It sucks. Mike's best buddy is (longtime Shanahan assistant and current linebackers coach Bob Slowik), and Slowik's son is in his second year out of college and he's on the staff. Everyone on the staff is in his first or second year except for Mike and Kyle and Haslett (defensive coordinator Jim Haslett) and Raheem (Morris, the secondary coach), and everyone knows Raheem is there because he is close with Kyle. Those two go way back.

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“Kyle's not that confident, so they set him up with a bunch of yes men rather than have some experienced coaches to push him. It's like Kyle is the pied piper and these kids just follow him around. I mean, Mike has been a head coach for 20 years -- usually a guy like that has a posse he can bring with him. So he's got Bobby Turner (running backs coach) here, and Slowik, and that's it. How does that happen? How does he end up hiring all of his son's buddies?

“What Mike has allowed to happen there, with that staff, there is no excuse for. There are guys on that staff who are just not qualified, and it shows up. Have you seen the quarterback develop? Look at (defensive ends Brian) Orakpo and (Ryan) Kerrigan? Are they progressing or regressing? Are you seeing the offensive lineman they drafted making it to the field?' How many players are getting the kind of NFL coaching you'd expect on that staff?”

The Redskins have had a succession of first-time wide receivers coaches on this staff, and the offensive staff has generally been devoid of experience other than Turner. Most of the offensive staff had less than two years of NFL experience before coming to Washington and even in those cases the two years weren't as actual position coaches, but as offensive assistants and low-level help.

Quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur worked with Kyle Shanahan in Houston and had only two years experience as an “offensive assistant” with the Texans prior to becoming the Redskins QB coach. Similarly, receivers coach Mike McDaniel was a lower-level assistant on the Texans staff before coming to Washington. Tight ends coach Sean McVay's only prior NFL experience to joining Washington came in 2008 as an offensive assistant in Tampa.

“McVay is really the only one of those kids qualified to do what he's doing,” said one member of the organization.

Several members of the Redskins traveling party were perturbed, when, following a win at Dallas on Thanksgiving 2012, Kyle Shanahan and several of his assistants were hollering loudly, crowing and alluding to Cowboys' coach Jason Garrett's job security on the team bus (hooting how they might get him fired) while heading to the airport after the win. The Redskins were just 5-6 themselves at the time and, according to sources, one member of the staff actually told them to “shut up” and diffused the staff.

Furthermore, Kyle Shanahan has long had a very strained relationship with Griffin, sources said, with one staff member saying Shanahan treats Griffin like, “a JV quarterback.”

“Kyle knows ball, but he is just so petty and he picks fights and holds grudges over small stuff,” the source said. “He's a mountain out of a molehill guy, and he's got entitlement syndrome. That's why we ended up hiring all of his close friends and buddies, so no one can challenge him. But it makes you worse in the long run, because there is no accountability. Ultimately, it's his father's fault for pacifying his son.”

Kyle Shanahan had a good run as a member of Gary Kubiak's staff in Houston -- Kubiak was a longtime assistant to Mike Shanahan -- and with the Redskins crumbling, he could end up finding a spot under Kubiak elsewhere if Washington owner Dan Snyder makes major changes as expected (Kubiak was fired as Texans coach last week). But it has long been clear to many people in various corridors of the Redskins' organization that the pair of Mike Shanahan, with his son running the offense, in Washington, has been a doomed combination. Especially within the construct of the lack of other strong voices on the offensive side of the ball, and that nepotism has served to hinder, rather than help, the growth of this franchise and the development of RGIII.

over giving Mike Shannahan such free reign...because this type of stuff should not be happening when Snyder is paying out so much money.

Control of football operations in the off season. Keep in mind he already has this, but he wants to call another meeting to ensure he has it.

So basically he wants to bench Griffin and run with the Masterpiece.

there is no way Snyder keeps this going...

I'm hearing more and more that Shanny will be back with a one-year extension but with assistant coaching changes.


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Play out the end of his contract, so he has to earn tht 7 mil and if all of the coaching staff go along with Kyle we're starting over again with a man that has proven to not select or cultivate good talent.

Same shit

so if you're cool with a six win season and the lowest paid attendance in the NFL next year, then go ahead and bring him back.

Its bad now, I have no clue how bad it would look.

How much worse could it look.

if his renewed focus on the power his contract allows is less about RG3 and more about his coordinators, then he only needs the year remaining on the deal to prove their collective worth.

but if he "lets" kyle move on and fires haslett, whoever they bring is gonna need to know that shanny will be around for more than a season.

F*cked. I wish that Snyder can be gone. Just vanish into thin air n sh*t.

On the one hand I do understand his thinking. Shanny's gotta find a way to earn his money. I just don't trust him to do anything more than what he has done thus far. Firing his coordinators is not gonna change the result if Shanny is the one bringing them in.

Fuck all this

That's how fucked up things are around this organization right now.

keep yalls heads up redskins nation, things are gonna get easier

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What Really Went Wrong With Robert Griffin III
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/86415/what-really-went-wrong-with-robert-griffin-iii

Good article, BUT this Paragraph...

"Despite the torrent of leaks, media reports, and bizarre press conferences, we know very little about how Washington actually came to this decision or about the team's overall future direction. But we know one thing: Griffin will still be Washington's starting quarterback in Week 1 next season. Despite the fact that Griffin hasn't played well, despite the injuries, and despite the dalliance with Cousins, Washington simply has too much invested in Griffin to move on just yet. For now, Griffin's future is still the Redskins' future. But if the quarterback wants to keep his job long term, he must play better. And I think he will."

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How in the hell does a NFL Rookie of the Year, have such a short lease to the point that people are questioning whether the team is debating his future with them?!? WTF!

THIS is why you don't draft another quarterback so high in the same same draft, when you have so many other holes in your team. Because of this type of nonsense.




<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

if you think, and it looks that way, that he was better than a 4th round QB, then Shanny wins when cousins is traded for a 3rd or second. its not like 4th round position players are all that likely to succeed.

so if you are gonna play the lotto, play the lotto on a QB that might get you a first rounder later on, rather than on a WR or DB or OL/DL that probably is gonna be a back up.

all the noise about a qb controversy is with the media and the fans. there is no reason to believe that shanny actually thinks cousins is better than rg3.

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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

except for that last part. im not so sure.

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

there is no reason to believe that shanny actually
>thinks cousins is better than rg3.

...and if he thought that, what's so wrong about it? Most people seem to agree that Cousins is miles ahead of RG3 in terms of development as a pocket passer. Most people, including RG3 and his father, seem to believe that if RG3 is going to have a future in this league it needs to be as a pocket passer. So Cousins is better at what RG3 wants to be.

>there is no reason to believe that shanny actually
>>thinks cousins is better than rg3.
>
>...and if he thought that, what's so wrong about it? Most
>people seem to agree that Cousins is miles ahead of RG3 in
>terms of development as a pocket passer. Most people,
>including RG3 and his father, seem to believe that if RG3 is
>going to have a future in this league it needs to be as a
>pocket passer. So Cousins is better at what RG3 wants to be.

before the draft, there were folks saying that rg3 was better in the pocket than even luck. His stats last year bore out that he's a great passer. we know for a fact that griff can lead a team to the playoffs.

in contrast, we are only speculating after two starts a handful of extraneous qtrs, that cousins *might* be a starter in the NFL. it would be a hard case to make right now that kirk *is* better than bob as opposed to just playing better right now.

bob didnt lose his ability to pass overnight. he rushed back from the injury, didnt get an offseason, threw to an average group of WRs, behind an average O-line and plays behind all the time cuz the defense sucks and the organization is dysfunctional.

Kirk just goes out there with only the weight of proving himself. he isnt the savior. he had the whole offseason getting reps. until the injury, he got all the reps in preseason/training camp. he looks fresh. and good. but there is no reason to believe that he has surpassed robert yet.

frankly, i'm glad bob was humbled this year. he needed it. but i fully expect him to sh!t on the league next year.

>
>How in the hell does a NFL Rookie of the Year, have such a
>short lease to the point that people are questioning whether
>the team is debating his future with them?!? WTF!

Hell, I think the author was being way too generous, declaring that RG3 will for sure be the day 1 starter next season. His game was mostly predicated on being an accurate passer while at the same time being the fastest guy on the field at any given moment. The accuracy took a nosedive this year, and it's questionable that he'll ever be the fastest guy on the field again. Even if he regains 100% of his speed, it's questionable that we'd even want him running around.

Without his speed he looks like Jason Campbell - horrible at anticipation passes, hesitant to throw until after the WR is already open, takes tons of hits, etc.

>
>THIS is why you don't draft another quarterback so high in the
>same same draft, when you have so many other holes in your
>team. Because of this type of nonsense.
>

Actually, this is exactly why you draft another QB in the same draft if you think the other guy is a good prospect as well. So far Kirk looks the part of a capable young pocket passer. If RG3 doesn't pan out, it's a great consolation prize that we'll have a guy like Cousins who also looks promising.

>Hell, I think the author was being way too generous, declaring
>that RG3 will for sure be the day 1 starter next season. His
>game was mostly predicated on being an accurate passer while
>at the same time being the fastest guy on the field at any
>given moment. The accuracy took a nosedive this year, and
>it's questionable that he'll ever be the fastest guy on the
>field again. Even if he regains 100% of his speed, it's
>questionable that we'd even want him running around.

Accuracy took a nosedive to poor footwork, no off season, and being antsy behind a porous line. He'll be much better next season.

>Without his speed he looks like Jason Campbell - horrible at
>anticipation passes, hesitant to throw until after the WR is
>already open, takes tons of hits, etc.

2 things here, #1 Griff made up for bad line play but his biggest plays happened throwing the ball last year (game winner against minnesota aside) as much as we make about his legs he won by throwing and throwing with great success last year.
#2 Jason Campbell as a Brown has been doing all of the things you've stated he can not do. I know MOST people don't watch browns games, but Soup has been putting things together over there.

>Actually, this is exactly why you draft another QB in the same
>draft if you think the other guy is a good prospect as well.
>So far Kirk looks the part of a capable young pocket passer.
>If RG3 doesn't pan out, it's a great consolation prize that
>we'll have a guy like Cousins who also looks promising.
>
I completely understand this thinking, but you can't give away 2 firsts and a 2nd on some "if it doesn't pan out" those are picks to set your franchise up for the next 10-11 years so you are committed to this guy until the wheels fall off. Under normal circumstances I would agreee about KC Masterpiece, but in this situation Griff doesn't have the confidence or the people around him to deal with this level of dysfunction and a REALLY capable dude breathing down his neck under the guise of support.

>Hell, I think the author was being way too generous, declaring
>that RG3 will for sure be the day 1 starter next season. His
>game was mostly predicated on being an accurate passer while
>at the same time being the fastest guy on the field at any
>given moment. The accuracy took a nosedive this year, and
>it's questionable that he'll ever be the fastest guy on the
>field again. Even if he regains 100% of his speed, it's
>questionable that we'd even want him running around.
>
>Without his speed he looks like Jason Campbell - horrible at
>anticipation passes, hesitant to throw until after the WR is
>already open, takes tons of hits, etc.


The focus on this dude's "legs" and "speed" is a curse to this young man. He is an NFL quarterback. People need to kill the noise about his career being tied to his ability to maintain the 4.3 speed he demonstrated at the combine. He is an NFL quarterback. Kill the read-option aspect of this offense and stop putting him unnecessarily in harms way. What did you pick up Kirk Cousins, because you knew you were going to be running this dude into harms way on the regular? I agree with his pops when he says running quarterbacks are losers. When you have NFL head coaches placing them in gimmick offenses and getting them banged up for no reason, what do you expect?


>>THIS is why you don't draft another quarterback so high in
>the
>>same same draft, when you have so many other holes in your
>>team. Because of this type of nonsense.
>>
>
>Actually, this is exactly why you draft another QB in the same
>draft if you think the other guy is a good prospect as well.
>So far Kirk looks the part of a capable young pocket passer.
>If RG3 doesn't pan out, it's a great consolation prize that
>we'll have a guy like Cousins who also looks promising.


But a team in the position that the Redsk*ns were in, doesn't have the LUXURY of "just in case scenarios. You give up the amount of picks they did for your franchise, the rest of resources need to go to supporting that pick. If you wanted someone capable of backing up your franchise, dump Rex Grossman and use your "superior" offensive talent evaluation prowess and find a more capable back up.


<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

like a Matt Hasselbeck in Indy situation for instance.

I can't fuck with the Cousins pick.

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how his mechanics and footwork suffered bc of coming off an injury and missing the off season.

it's a good article.

>>How in the hell does a NFL Rookie of the Year, have such a
>>short lease to the point that people are questioning whether
>>the team is debating his future with them?!? WTF!
>
>Hell, I think the author was being way too generous, declaring
>that RG3 will for sure be the day 1 starter next season. His
>game was mostly predicated on being an accurate passer while
>at the same time being the fastest guy on the field at any
>given moment. The accuracy took a nosedive this year, and
>it's questionable that he'll ever be the fastest guy on the
>field again. Even if he regains 100% of his speed, it's
>questionable that we'd even want him running around.
>
>Without his speed he looks like Jason Campbell - horrible at
>anticipation passes, hesitant to throw until after the WR is
>already open, takes tons of hits, etc.
>

Dude keeps it real! He's on fire about the double standard for QB play. And he is killing the defense too.

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I'll have to address it in my post but i need to hear that criticism that they were hurling at griff immediately

You're the second person today to mention doc. I'm mad I missed it. I hope they have it on the 980 vault.

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Andy and Sheehan are just the right kind of clowns to set him off though. lol But im sure scott jack can get it out of him.

RG3 had a horrific season. Point blank - he played like garbage for almost the entire season.

Yet here is the narrative when Cousins gets in:

"See? RG3 wasn't the problem. We're still losing."

...yeah, technically. But now we're actually IN games. We had Dallas on the ropes, rather than having them make us look like a high school team. We should have beaten Atlanta.

Yeah, our opponents are taking big leads early in the game, often due to poor special teams or defense. But now we're rallying back. Cousins had us rally back from a 2 TD deficit against Atlanta to put us in the lead going into the half. We rallied back against Dallas as well.

In HIS FIRST START of 2013, Cousins had as many first quarter TD passes as RG3 has had in 13 starts. RG3 has generally (but not always) played horrificly abysmal football for the first half of games, and racked up some decent stats during the second half when our team had already lost the game.

Griff brought the team back against philly opening night, against dallas and had the special teams not given up 224 returns yards they probably win that game. They were in the game until the end in a lot of games this season they just couldn't get it done with Griff just like they couldn't get it done with cousins. If you're not a Griff fan that's fine, but don't change the narrative because you like KC better.

Griff has started slowly pretty much all year except the Minnesota game. He has not been abysmal all season, he's been inconsistent MOST of the time and had little help for the majority of the year. A few good throws where he sets his feet goes through progressions and delivers, some of them have not been caught. Then there are times when he doesn't set his feet and sprays balls all over the field. KC is the better pocket passer today right now, but Griff has a much higher ceiling and until he proves that he's not willing to work he's the franchise guy.

KC threw for under 200 yards against a BAD secondary and when the chips were down got not a single completion. Loses are loses, but when the qb plays an ok game (he didn't lose the game with his play and certainly didn't win it) that must be talked about it.

Either way we staring 3-13 in the face

We scored 16 points against Dallas last time. Yet you're hustling and bustling to deflect blame from Griffin for the 1 INT, 2 fumble disaster, while with Cousins the Skins put up 24 points and had a 6 point lead with 2:00 to go in the 4th quarter. That's the double standard I'm talking about.

"We would have won the game, if it weren't for special teams" (if it's Griffin QBing)
"The QB played just OK, and that must be talked about" (if it's someone other than Griffin QBing)

Griffin brought the team back against Philly (offense scored only 20 points, Skins are down by 2 TDs with 2 minutes to go in the 4th)
Cousins just played OK, and that must be talked about (brings team back from 14-0 against the Falcons to 20-17 at half; team down 14-6 at halftime to Dallas, brings team back to 23-14 with 10:00 left in the 4th)

I watched a team make all of the same mistakes with KC as the quarterback as they did when Griffin is back there.

KC can have them up by 9 in the 4th and still lose. Griff can have them up by 17 and they lose.

Again if you don't like Griff that's fine roll with that.

Not necessarily torching them :/


<<<---"That's my quarterback!" (c) T.O.

...

my thoughts,

peace.

Bob did more in 2012 than KC might do in his whole career.

If Bob is never healthy again then there might be an argument.

Otherwise Bob will quickly prove again how much better he is and will be.

If you actually think long term that KC is a better QB, that's obviously your choice.

lost all credibility

many adjectives could qualify RG's season, but "horrific" is simply fundementally inaccurate

At least we don't have to hear Kirk Cousins garbage all off-season.

Good god that was awful, that was one of the single most boring and ugly games I've seen in a long time.

I'm not going to waste my time on Shanahan's dumpster fire.

WaPo reporting Shanahan will likely be fired tomorrow morning, if not sooner.

Call Shanny into the office and be like "Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu'rrrrrrrrrrrre fired!"
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Love the Jetson's reference.

Shit I am just glad the suffering from this season is finally over. I'm with Smuts tho. I wasn't bout to watch that bullshit of a game today. I saw the score 8 minutes in the fourth and said fuck the bullshit...

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4376/giants-20-redskins-6-ten-observations

1. If the Redskins asked me -- and for many, many years they have not -- I’d tell them to bump Bruce Allen to team president, hire a young general manager, let him hire the coach and proceed with building your organization. It’s a strategy the Redskins have not tried under Dan Snyder. Allen is a negotiator/contract guy, not a talent evaluator. That’s not a knock, it’s who he is. But I’m not a fan of a head coach having all the power. You need to have checks and balances when it comes to acquiring talent; GMs have an eye on the future whereas coaches are worried about right now.

The rumor mill has started and here is what I do and don't want:

1. I want Shanahan AND staff fired. However, I'm hearing Cowher is the leading candidate. WTF?!?! I DO NOT WANT COWHER. Why go for another coach that's going to break the bank and is going to bring "more of the same." A name I have heard and I was slightly intrigued was Ken Whisenhunt.

2. A true GM and here is where I have mixed feelings. The name I'm hearing associated with this is A.J. Smith. I am not an A.J. Smith fan at all, he feels himself a lot. He likes to take A LOT of credit for a team's success and his ego gets in the way. However, he does know how to evaluate talent. This is where I'm torn.

3. I wanted KC gone at the end of this season but I think his three starts deaded all the media created controversy. So I'm okay with bringing him back but would not be upset if we could get a pick for him. We need all the draft picks we can get.

4. I know this won't happen but FedEx needs field-turf. They resurfaced the field half-way through the season and it was still terrible.

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from what i recall, his teams were pretty good. He came out well in the eli manning drama in terms of extracting picks and then drafting good players with them. Not sure how great he is a finding late round starters, but seems like it could be worse.

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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache…He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

But even by GM standards AJ Smith has ego issues. He seemed to constantly be in showdowns with players or coaches, I especially remember Antonio Gates.

It's the kind of dictator ego shit this franchise needs to get far away from.

AJ Smith is the guy who fired Marty Shottenheimer after going 14-2 (!) because of their "dysfunctional relationship". (And instead he hired hire Norv Turner.)

Also the bottom line is the same as it was with GM Shanahan: both were fired from their previous job for lack of results (esp via draft) and there's no reason to expect better results now.

As has been the case since day 1, this franchise needs up & coming talent (front office & on the field), not recognizable names past their prime.

Its long but it illustrates the 10 worst moves of his tenure, the majority of these I think me and Smuts have been talking about pretty consistently.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/12/30/the-10-worst-moments-of-the-shanahan-era/

He was arguably (or objectively) worse at picking players than at coaching them.

10, but hey what can you say it was bad and its over.

Meanwhile bloody monday has been SUPER BLOODY.

perhaps I'll compile 10 worst Emporer moves and 10 worst coaching moves, with a bonus Kyle Shanahan section.

Allen's presser is making me doubt anything will ever change

The people in the front office are not good, firing a head coach will not change that unless we have a systemic change.

in his presser he basically said he's the GM, will work w/ *existing* personell dept. & new head coach on personell decisions

sorry guys :(

But I thought there was a chance he would hire real personnel guy, not a negotiator in over his head like Allen.

Unless we get a miracle

At least we have a QB to watch.

He is immensely gifted, but not ready for the GM tag just yet, so Bruce will have the title and Morocco will do the work. I'm EXTREMELY excited about what he has to offer.

he's the only positive in all of this.

Fantastic person. Fantastic family. Fantastic philosophies. If he has a bigger voice in Redskin's Park, only good can come from it. I have been terrified of losing him for the last few years. Just an extremely high quality individual.

That's a voice I can believe in.

you're giving me hope, lol.

I just googled him and saw that he was interviewed for the Arizona GM job a while back.

For, we'll see if he gets it right.

The Redskins have confirmed the eight members of Mike Shanahan’s coaching staff that will not be retained by the team after they decided to terminate head coach Mike Shanahan on Monday.

As mentioned while discussing General Manager Bruce Allen’s press conference, the two biggest names on the list are offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and special teams coach Keith Burns. Neither move is a surprise. Shanahan’s reported desire to part ways with his father doesn’t change the fact that he was in Washington for blood ties as much as anything else and Burns’ units were terrible all season.

Quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, advance scout Larry Coyer, linebackers coach Bob Slowik, defensive assistant Bobby Slowik, wide receivers coach Mike McDaniel and offensive quality control assistant Richmond Flowers are the other coaches who won’t remain with the team. Most of those coaches have long histories working under the elder Shanahan.

Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, defensive backs coach Raheem Morris, defensive line coach Jacob Burney, offensive line coach Chris Foerster, assistant offensive line coach Chris Morgan and tight ends coach Sean McVay remain with the team. Burney is the only member of that group who worked with Mike Shanahan before joining the Redskins staff.

Nobody on this current coaching staff needs to stay........



They fucking up already......

Not even sure how I feel about that one yet

1. if they quit, you don't have to pay them
2. complete player evaluations

apparently it's common to keep some assistants and let the next coach make a decision.

glad Kyle is out on his ass though.

After his rookie season, it was nice to see we finally have a franchise QB. Now, after year two, it appears many are questioning whether Washington does have a franchise QB.

Dude owned the city last year and now this year, those same people are ready to tear him down. I don't get it. Was RGIII as good this year as he was last year? No, but it's an easy explanation. It's called MAJOR KNEE SURGERY. Plus, they rushed him back waaaaaaaay too soon. I thought they of had him ineligible the first 4 weeks and brought him back after the bye week.

Maybe you have an explanation for it, but I don't.


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fickle spectators
he talked a bit too much
injury
no winning record
no playoffs
he black