http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/reports-trade-alex-smith-san-francisco-done-004247921--nfl.html

even better
he usually rapes teams when giving away shitty QBs
not sure how crafty he is when receiving shitty QBs

>
understatement of the year of course

Andy is gone... but the AGENDA RAGES ON

same as everyone else

basically when he only had to manage games
if I were a chiefs fan i'd be most concerned about AndyBall increasing his level of exposure and shit not really working out that well

Ummmm WHY are y'all still talking about the nigga

Jesus you guys have terrible oral hygiene

Just shit breath, nappy beard, receding hairline
dickfaces, you are

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if reid reverts back to his minimum 60/40 pass-run ratio roots, it ain't gonna bode well for smith. but who knows, maybe reid sees the light now that a bozo like mornhinweg ain't around.

smith's ideal landing spot would be AZ and that defense backing him up, but as a niner fan, obviously that's the last place i want him.

I think the last successful QB that the Chiefs drafted and developed was Len Dawson, we're always picking up someone's leftover QB to come play for us, sometimes they work out (Montana, Rich Gannon, Trent Green) and sometimes they don't (White Cassel).....



You gon' live forever
Whether you want to or not
Some of us gon' end up holy
Some of us gon' end up hot.....

forever, it seems like they're always trying to pull of these reclamation projects

WE getting Geno!

They're not drafting a QB in the first

won't they basically have the same offense as last year?

KC has a decent offensive line whether they keep Albert or decide to pick Joeckel and a good runningback. As long as Reid doesn't ask Smith to do too much he should be able to run the offense pretty well. I think it will be good for KC to settle for a year and see how they look under Reid, then try for young QB in next year's draft.

maybe somebody trades up to reach for Geno?


peace & blessings,

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Geno barely grades higher than Foley, quite honestly.
Foley happened to be in the best QB draft of the last
decade. Geno is in the worst QB draft of the last decade.

And Foley played with an Eagles team that had completely
given up, did pretty well under the circumstances

Eagles fans are a joke

Give him a chance

Geno is hardly a slam dunk and definitely not worth
a top 10 pick

i was unaware Dude Love was our QB.

#whentrollinggoeswrong

Eagles fans at QB.

besides, Chip Kelly is the one casting that damn doubt: retaining Vick, signing Dixon. If Foles don't look like the Football Version of Allah (© will_5198) come September....

You got a Chip Kelly offense? You better have multiple viable options at QB.

trade back, because the draft is deeper than top heavy, especially at our two main positions of need (OL and DB).

geno is pretty clearly the number 1 QB. eagles don't need a #1 QB in this draft. they can make due w/ vick (or foles or dixon) until 2014 when there should be a better draft.

meantime, we need two starting caliber CBs, 2 starting caliber Safeties, and a starting OT or RG.


peace & blessings,

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Shit I could've been referring to Matt Leinart too fwiw.

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but the white-on-white version?
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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

let alone, a conference championship game



as for Pryor, I'm not even sure how to evaluate a QB whose college coach wouldn't let him throw more than 20-25 times against amateur football defenses

how we're sitting here comparing him to Palmer and Leinart, two guys who will never lead any team anywhere, is dumb

You know he was a FA last year right?

You know nobody wanted him last year right?

You know he got replaced this year right?

You know his team got better once he was replaced right?

Alex Smith is easily a better NFL QB than Carson Palmer. He's more mobile, makes better decisions, and is a more accurate thrower.

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A competent coach + good qb + good defense in that division should be enough to go 10 - 6, from the get-go.

Get ready for the aerial fireworks!

hopefully this is true
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We have a white QB playing the best football of his career who's replaced after a concision by a black QB... and we get an "If Alex was black" post?

I'm convinced now that some of these cats are just nuts
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>We have a white QB playing the best football of his career
>who's replaced after a concision by a black QB... and we get
>an "If Alex was black" post?
>
>I'm convinced now that some of these cats are just nuts
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Like very few people follow the Chiefs. Hating ass trolls are gonna create posts now tracking him?

shit is baffling.

People with little understanding of football rushed to the "he's an historic bust" bandwagon then had to scramble for some cover once he started playing good football on a winning team... the goal posts have been moving ever since
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Whether it's "historic" is up for your semantic debate.

Seriously it's not even worth an argument at this point

but you keep on keepin on if that makes you feel better
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I mean, good for him that he's finally good

But he was not for quite some time

>
>I mean, good for him that he's finally good
>
>But he was not for quite some time
>
>
he showed marked improvement his second year. from that point on, he missed a year and a half, otherwise, was mediocre at best. the organization was a shitstorm and an embarrassment.

dude's not transcendent but he was just one of many passengers on a ship with plenty of holes

These cats are going to think what they want... regardless of how uniformed and ignorant it is.

You said it best when you said he wasn't transcendent.. was he a #1 over all talent wise... no

But anyone that can jump from that to 'bust' isn't worth talking to

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Sorry.

so yeah we're done here
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>Whether it's "historic" is up for your semantic debate.

truly baffling.

Alex Smith is a bust.

The degree of bust is all that you can debate.

But he is a bust.

Objectively.

>Alex Smith is a bust.
>
>The degree of bust is all that you can debate.
>
>But he is a bust.
>
>Objectively.

Objectively? No. And saying it's up for debate whether he's a "historic" bust is patently absurd.

and certainly not debatably "historic."

You go to vegas and go bust you've lost all your money... using this cat's logic 'bust' means losing 40-60% *smh*
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Go back to 2005. Tell the 49ers that they'd get the
career Alex Smith would end up having. Then ask them if
they'd take him #1 overall.

If the answer is no, then he's at least a disappointment.

If the answer is "hell no," then he's a bust.

The answer is somewhere between "no" and "hell no."

I'm leaning "hell no" but there are arguments for both.


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I'm not going to bother even reading what you just posted
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Shame on you, madmardigan

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Just now saw this bs

Dude says all sorts of race related and homophobic shit but you gonna delete my shit because I call him what he is

Okayplayer

The fact you shared the same opinion on this doesn't play into it I'm sure.

What a fuckin joke lol




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you know where Alex is on that spectrum

In 2004, we'd gone 2-14, with our sole two wins coming against the Cardinals in OT. Our starting QBs that year were Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey. The organization was about as big of a toxic waste dump as any professional sports organization I've ever seen in my life, and I've been a Warriors fan for the last 30 years. After the 2004 season, if you had told me that they were going to contract the team, I would have understood.

So, if you told Niner fans they were about to draft a guy who'd help lead them to the NFC Finals by 2011, I'd say Hell yes, I'd take that deal.

I think that if you saw how mediocre he was, you'd
prefer to save that money and go get a free agent
available at that time who could have gotten your
franchise some stability sooner

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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>
>I think that if you saw how mediocre he was, you'd
>prefer to save that money and go get a free agent
>available at that time who could have gotten your
>franchise some stability sooner

Well, that's the thing. His first year, his wasn't very good, but he only played nine games and had one of the worst receiving corps I've ever seen. The second year, he was markedly better, in that he had an excellent coordinator in Norv Turner creating plays for him (Turner is a shit head coach, but a great OC). So we saw that he had potential to be something early in his career. Third and fourth he was injured and barely played. Fifth and sixth years were the times of Mike Singletary, who was very good at motivating Vernon Davis, but really not good as a head coach. The whole team was under-achieving, but Smith ended up with a decent season in 2010. And, of course, the seventh year is when Harbaugh came along and everything changed.

And the money we didn't spend on signing a free agent QB we did spend on putting together a great defense and a great o-line. So yeah, all things being equal, I'm still fine with drafting Smith.

>
>Go back to 2005. Tell the 49ers that they'd get the
>career Alex Smith would end up having. Then ask them if
>they'd take him #1 overall.

1. He clearly wasn't what they thought he'd be. But if you present it how it really happened: "He won't be what you think he is, especially at first, but when he puts it together in a few years you'll be a contender." I sincerely think any team bad enough to draw the #1 pick would take that, especially if you add in that he'll (albeit against his will) pass the torch to a better QB.

2. If, on the other hand, you framed it as "Aaron Rodgers is going to be one of the best QBs in the land." then no, they wouldn't. In the discussion of busts I personally don't put too much weight on who a team could've taken otherwise because you could second-guess nearly every pick in every draft if you go down that road.

>1. He clearly wasn't what they thought he'd be. But if you
>present it how it really happened: "He won't be what you think
>he is, especially at first, but when he puts it together in a
>few years you'll be a contender." I sincerely think any team
>bad enough to draw the #1 pick would take that, especially if
>you add in that he'll (albeit against his will) pass the torch
>to a better QB.

Independent of Aaron Rodgers, no team is waiting until his
7th season for a #1 overall pick to be good. That's just not
true.

Knowing what we know now, he's probably a 2nd rounder. And
that' hardly shitting on Alex Smith.

It does mean that he's a bust as a #1 overall pick, franchise
quarterback who you pay a LOT OF MONEY TO (the financial aspect
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and I tend to err on the side of "if a player becomes good at some point then he's not a bust, just a minor disappointment." The team becoming good only helps that argument. This has been my position on Reggie Bush as well.

>People with little understanding of football rushed to the
>"he's an historic bust" bandwagon then had to scramble for
>some cover once he started playing good football on a winning
>team... the goal posts have been moving ever since

I mean if he was on the Eagles or Cowboys or something I'd get all the extra hate. But Smith? I really don't get why ppl are so invested in it.

He was shitting on Cam's numbers, like Cam isn't
30000000 times better than Alex Smith at the
same stage.

Ironic that Smith got benched for another big, fast, black
predominant islamic

Karma is a bitch. When you start having success, keep your
mouth shut

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and you've shit on Cam 30000000 times worst than Alex Smith did. still doesn't compute.

>and you've shit on Cam 30000000 times worst than Alex Smith
>did. still doesn't compute.

I shit on posters, but I'm the Jordan Gretzky Robinson
of this post shit, y'all been known it



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Cam happened to be the perfect quarterback for total yards being a stupid stat to measure success as a QB. Granted i would say Matt Stafford stat padding fat ass is probably person for that analogy, but Smith was making a valid point. I don't remember him shitting on Cam's ability as a QB, but it was a year ago.

And any veteran that criticizes it is an insecure dick
who deserves to lose his job to a Kappa Alpha Psi who
run fast with tattoos everywhere

You don't see any actual good QBs doing that, because
they don't have to. Smith was talking because his non-shitiness
was new money.

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but you are obviously not gonna get over it. Enjoy the madness homey.

Alex Smith obviously did it intentionally, because
he was jealous of Cam's notoriety relative to his

Karma is a bitch

Smith is currently a BACKUP quarterback


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this is a low point even for OE

Using race in a debate like this is flat out disgusting


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Alex Smith was wrong for calling out Cam Newton and
he deserves to be disliked because of it.

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Oh Stop it... so now there's a racial element to the Smith hate?

Jesus Christ this is ridiculous even for you
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>Oh Stop it... so now there's a racial element to the Smith
>hate?

If anything, black people are hypersensitive and protective
of Cam Newton, and I've said that more than anyone on this
board

But what Alex Smith said about Cam was nothing more than
mindless hate. Like I said -- he could have made the same
point thousands of other ways without throwing shade on a
rookie

Karma is a bitch -- Smith got his job snatched by a Cam-ite
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-Smutsboy

how sad must your life really be
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teams... and tho I'm not a huge Smith fan... both have led their teams to NFC title games and Smith is a more accurate passer

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chip game

to a second year player and is immediately handed another starting job on a silver platter?

Dumbass Alex Smith apologists in here all defensive but it really doesn't have anything to do with him.

why would he not get a starting job somewhere else after he has proven if he is in the right system he is perfectly capable of winning football games. In one of the weakest QB draft classes in history of course Smith is gonna get another starting job, because there are not 32 let alone probably 15 people who have played quarterback as well as Alex Smith has the past two years. Him not being a starter somewhere would be more baffling than him not starting somewhere, but y'all stay mad over the fact that a starting caliber QB is going to be starting in the NFL next year.

Oh man.

They can't take into account all the circumstances, they just get emotional and hate the guy. Guy destroyed their view that he's a bust, he's clearly not, and now he'll be a starter again. Dude had a similar run to Vick, many could argue better, yet the emotional black populace still can't figure it out.

The NFL is about BUSINESS, no one is getting any privilege anymore because of their skin color, get a clue. The guy performed, and did it well, shed the label you were desperate to give him.

He belittled Cam's rookie year, which was out of line.
Smith was talking like he didn't suck dogshit his first
5 years in the league

Like I said in the other post, the gods delivered him
awesome irony when he got benched for a Cam-ite


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That dude is half , and raised by whites. More white than black. Not only that, but Alex proved to be correct in that Cam SUCKED this year, and he was on point, arguably a top 6-8 qb this year, while Cam was SUCKING. Alex ate Cam's lunch.

>That dude is half , and raised by whites.

So was Obama.

>More white than
>black.

http://youtu.be/Oi1BcouEmio

Yeah, you mad


Not only that, but Alex proved to be correct in that
>Cam SUCKED this year, and he was on point, arguably a top 6-8
>qb this year, while Cam was SUCKING. Alex ate Cam's lunch.

Yeah, Cam starting, Alex is a backup

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha



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you've been served...your "oh no he mad, oh he mad" chit holds no weight.

>you've been served...your "oh no he mad, oh he mad" chit
>holds no weight.


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namecalling? oh, you mad.

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post-racial NFL, lol

He blak he choose to be, not cuz no dumbass rule

Nigga is a Kappa

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Question I have is...was Vinny Testaverde a bust?


Because if so, Alex Smith was a bust.


I could see an argument for either answer.


For the record, outside of OKS agenda posting I do not know any black people who think about Alex Smith at all, let alone get mad.

>For the record, outside of OKS agenda posting I do not know
>any black people who think about Alex Smith at all, let alone
>get mad.

>For the record, outside of OKS agenda posting I do not know
>any black people who think about Alex Smith at all, let alone
>get mad.

the only agreement is that everybody has their own definition

niggas on oks. Most of the black men I know were defending him against getting benched.

Correct Answer: Eli Manning.

I'm praying for Alex Smith.

Because it's been a couple days

That's the day the new season begins. If there's a deal in place, that's the first day it can get officially done.

http://i.minus.com/ibzeuKDpHorxB8.gif

How can a milquetoast, humble, good-but-not-great player like Smith get people this riled up?

Dude was taken first in a weak QB draft (23 teams passed on Rodgers), played bad on some bad teams, mediocre on some mediocre teams, and pretty good when he got some good coaches and a solid O-line. But his team finds a future superstar and it's time to ship him. The story is not that complicated.

>How can a milquetoast, humble, good-but-not-great player like
>Smith get people this riled up?
>
>Dude was taken first in a weak QB draft (23 teams passed on
>Rodgers), played bad on some bad teams, mediocre on some
>mediocre teams, and pretty good when he got some good coaches
>and a solid O-line. But his team finds a future superstar and
>it's time to ship him. The story is not that complicated.
>
>

Now that I think about it no one is riled up except for Alex Smith apologists with persecution complexes. All those please about bad coaching can be said of Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey and Troy Smith.

Objectively speaking, Alex Smith is a bust that was allowed to hang on long enough to revitalize his career and show enough promise to warrant an opportunity to bring stability to the quarterback position for another team.

We coming for that division crown next year. Until then party all you want.

>Now that I think about it no one is riled up except for Alex
>Smith apologists with persecution complexes. All those please
>about bad coaching can be said of Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey and
>Troy Smith.
>
>Objectively speaking, Alex Smith is a bust that was allowed to
>hang on long enough to revitalize his career and show enough
>promise to warrant an opportunity to bring stability to the
>quarterback position for another team.
>
>We coming for that division crown next year. Until then party
>all you want.


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and the only chance you have to take the division crown is if Alex Smith is your starting quarterback, but have fun continueing to be an idiot.

... bust. Y'all persecution complex niggas have shown your asses in this post. Seriously this a horrible look for y'all.

Our best chances for winning the division comes down to drafting Geno, trading for Alex to keep the seat warm and improving both running back and offensive tackle positions.

Alex musta done something to you and your family for your level of mad, but than again you have seemingly honestly thought the Cardinals had a shot in the division the past two years and seem to think they got a shot next year to, so delusional is probably the most generous description of your perception i can give Ya. If you wanna get gully though i got $50 on Alex leading the chiefs to at least 8-8 if they keep Bowe. I would even feel comfortable going another $50 on the chiefs finishing top 2 in that division, because Alex is the 2nd best QB in that division. And if you really wanna get gully i'll give you 3 to 1 on $50 that AZ doesn't win the west since they are your squad and all but you spend more time commenting on SF and Alex Smith.

>Alex musta done something to you and your family for your
>level of mad, but than again you have seemingly honestly
>thought the Cardinals had a shot in the division the past two
>years and seem to think they got a shot next year to, so
>delusional is probably the most generous description of your
>perception i can give Ya.

... STOP. You talk as if the 9ers had a guaranteed preseason shot to win the division in that first year. They didn't so your point is moot and you are delusional.

>If you wanna get gully though i got
>$50 on Alex leading the chiefs to at least 8-8 if they keep
>Bowe. I would even feel comfortable going another $50 on the
>chiefs finishing top 2 in that division, because Alex is the
>2nd best QB in that division. And if you really wanna get
>gully i'll give you 3 to 1 on $50 that AZ doesn't win the west
>since they are your squad and all but you spend more time
>commenting on SF and Alex Smith.

First off, I'm giving the front office time to build the team and staying out of petty arguments with Alex Smith apologists for the most part. You and the rest of the apologists can continue to live in your reality distortion field.

I just want you on record as saying the Alex Smith led chiefs with no known wide receivers as of right now and an unheralded defense will finish above the Raiders and Chargers. LOL at me betting on a bust-turned-good-game-manager-with-eight-soon-to-be-nine-years-worth-of-NFL-starts. BWAHAHAHAHA.

the chiefs will be the 2nd best team in the NFC west next year.

God damn when are you cats gonna learn
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when cats start redefining words and throwing in racial elements that aren't there then the entire topic has been compromised and taken off point... it's the classic 'a few bad apples ruining the whole bunch' Worst part is one is a mod

part of being a man is admitting when you're wrong... this post is full of little boys with bloody noses still trying to pick playground fights.


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Sorta disproves your point. Nobody hates Alex Smith
with a fraction of the passion that OldPro is defending
him with



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but guess what... i'm done fussin with you so you might as well move along

anyone with half a brain can see where the focus of my posts was directed and it had little to do with the subject at hand


so yeah fuck off
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Its hilarious

Inform me of how I can further the movement

Because literally I don't even GAF about Alex Smith

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As we can see, 49er OKPs do not think so.

It's comical.

MOST every 9er fan thought he was shit before 2011 too

The fact you're a mod makes me question why I even bother with this board

Between You, Kira and OE this post has become exhibit A for how a few arrogant & feeble-minded posters can take an simple point and mire it in so many half-truths and agenda driven bullshit, that things spin off into a type of alternate reality that only they want to operate in. It's like fantasy football isn't enough... they want to play fantasy sports talk too.

Seriously at this point it doesn't matter if yall are just trolling or flat out too stupid to engage in a real fact driven discussion... the end result is the same... a waste of everyone's time.
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If 49ers fans knew what they were getting, would they
have drafted him #1 overall and paid him that money?

The answer: No.

That means he's at least very disappointment and probably
a bust.

Its fair and modest.

As am I.

Orbit, the dispenser of judgement

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immediately come to mind are people like Vinny Testaverde and Trent Dilfer

>
>If 49ers fans knew what they were getting, would they
>have drafted him #1 overall and paid him that money?
Your initial question was to THE 49ers, not the fans. You need to be consistent with your questions. And it's important to make that distinction. That was NOT a good year for QBs. Aaron Rodgers is a future HOF, Matt Leinart would have been number one if he came out that year but his career has been much of nothing.

The ORGANIZATION didn't know what the fuck they were doing. How they were being run in 2005 and how they are being run today is two entirely different things. I know you're just in here yukking it up but you were not following the team back then or aware of how poorly they were being run.

As a FAN, I NEVER wanted ANY QB as the first pick, because the team was so shitty at the time. The best thing to happen to Aaron Rodgers was to get picked on a good team with a legendary QB starting. What the Chiefs did today is what the 49ers should have done back then, trade the pick to get linemen.



>The answer: No.
>
>That means he's at least very disappointment and probably
>a bust.
>
>Its fair and modest.
>
>As am I.
>
>Orbit, the dispenser of judgement

If a team picks a player that is far from the clear best talent in the draft and they produce accordingly, are they truly a bust or did a team make a poor draft pick? There is a difference. One that most of you troglodytes on here lack the nuance to grasp but keep railing on about how black people give a shit about those Cam comments.

Only reason JaMarcus isn't still in the league is because he's black
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I think he is a bust.

^ factual statement. It is the truth that I believe this, I promise.

SF OKPs, right today in 2013, do not think he is a bust

^^ another factual statement. (feel free to prove me wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm right)

This shit is so simple, the only way you can come up with something to say is to nitpick and twist people's words.

I think he's a bust. You do not.

FACTS.

You can't even accept the parameters of a very basic disagreement. No wonder you struggle with basic NFL analysis.

you should have stopped there

"I think he's a bust. You do not"

And I can think blue is red but that doesn't make it true... see the funny thing about words is they have a meaning. It's kind of an important part of what helps us as an intelligent species communicate.

"You can't even accept the parameters of a very basic disagreement. No wonder you struggle with basic NFL analysis"

Yet somehow my lack of 'basic NFL analysis' allowed me to see what people like you couldn't years ago... or did I just dream that once Singletary was removed the 9ers and Alex excelled... I'm one hell of a lucking guesser for a guy that doesn't understand 'basic NFL analysis' aren't I... shouldn't I get some kind of prize for that like guessing jelly beans in a jar or something?


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good starter. He proved them all wrong, destroyed their analysis, made them look bad. Then when he got benched, they said "see!! look!! he's a bust" which is totally illogical given all the circumstances. It's just emotional black folks on this board who can't analyze the game or their arguments, filled with anger over their own agendas being put to sleep by a humble white QB.

Also, a lot of folks on here are MAD (despite them claiming apologists are always "mad", the behavior of children), because they feel that a black QB would never get this many opportunities. Some are also MAD because they thought he got Singletard fired, which wasn't the case at all.

So when he gets benched, the goalposts kept moving as OldPro says, and folks continued to claim that ppl needed to take their L's - which is asinine. It's simply adults failing to take responsibility for their incorrect analysis of a situation, something that's plagued this board and the value of it's opinions.

outside of a few crazy people on this site, nobody is looking at this through a racial lens. Those that do are just playing the same role they always do... it's become cartoonish and only hinders a discussion on legitimate issues of racial bias.

Everything else you said is spot on... and it goes beyond this board. You had a lot of so-called experts also making knee jerk claims that have since blown up in there faces. Some have fallen on their swords and admitted they were wrong... but what this shows more than anything is how many people speak in absolutes without thinking about the nuances and multiple factors that come with being successful\unsuccessful in a game like football. It's just rare we get a chance to see it in such stark and naked terms such as what's happened with Alex Smith.

But instead of what should be a teachable moment for some has become a declaration of war with them grasping at any straw still available just so they don't have to own their ignorance. It's one of the most character revealing moments I've seen on this board or anywhere for that matter.


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i'll add to that count

"ESPN needs to learn that my name is not Sources"

I lol'd.

>"ESPN needs to learn that my name is not Sources"
>
>I lol'd.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/chiefs/2013/02/27/san-francisco-49ers-quarterback-alex-smith-traded-to-kansas-city-chiefs/1951179/

With less than two weeks to go before the start of the 2013 NFL league year, the Kansas City Chiefs and San Francisco 49ers have reached an agreement on a deal to send quarterback Alex Smith to Kansas City, according to a person informed of the impending trade.

The person spoke to USA TODAY Sports on condition of anonymity because the move can't become official until March 12, when the league year begins.

MOCK DRAFT: How many QBs in first round?

The agreement on the deal between the Niners and Chiefs was first reported by FoxSports.com.

The Chiefs were clearly looking for an upgrade over Matt Cassel, who is due $7.5 million in base salary this season and is likely to be released. The team spoke to the Philadelphia Eagles about a possible trade for Nick Foles, whom Andy Reid coached last season, but the Eagles said they are intent on keeping Foles.
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Lol this is almost as bad as the Carson Palmer deal...they probably coulda got Matt Flynn for much less

welcome

now remind us how you were popping off a couple weeks ago on how the 9ers wouldn't get shit for Smith
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yeah you just randomly swiped a piece that had nothing to do with an agenda you've had for the last 3-4 years... and you've NEVER made other statements along these same lines before that... yep it's totally out of the blue

see you I can't even get mad at anymore... you're so ridiculous and been proven wrong so many time it's entertaining (in small doses)

But stay on it... one day you'll end up being right. Nobody can be wrong about everything all the time... can they?
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the 33rd pick is a pseudo first rounder but not a first rounder. meanwhile smith is a moderate to good QB. I'd like to know more about the conditional pick.

Ultimately the 49ers get richer and richer i wonder if they trade up for someone.

Also its funny the coach and the QB a lot of ppl thought wouldnt get jobs after their previous gigs are together in kansas.

But you have to have two feet planted in reality and understand this is true...

>meanwhile smith is a moderate to good QB.

... to see it
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they
>probably coulda got Matt Flynn for much less


Aren't you the one who always questions why teams value their picks so much?

Seems like he said McNabb should be the 9er QB before Alex too

Honestly he'd said so much shit that's been proven wrong I've lost track of half of it
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The holes are huge, but there aren't many, so losing a few draft picks for a competent QB is a pretty good tradeoff IMO. Didn't the Chiefs turn the ball over more than any team in history last season? Smith is the perfect guy to come in and help w/that.

>Lol this is almost as bad as the Carson Palmer deal...they
>probably coulda got Matt Flynn for much less

good god no.

"well they had 7 pro bowler the year before so the talent was there.. they had a great running game.. Smith had a big front line WR in Bowe to pad his stats.. Andy coached Smith up and minimized his weakness"

Because of course Alex Smith is the only QB in the league who can't win without talent around him and a competent coaching staff

just wait and watch
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A third and a fifth or some shit? Did you see what they gave up for Cassel? Arizona gave for Kolb? If a guy is traded for with the expectation of being a legit starter (yes, those exist, I know Miami hasn't had one in 15 years) then they command a first and change usually. These are two quasi firsts, about right.

exchange of known quantities

and sadly Smith is the best QB they'd have had since Marino.

I'd say that's worth $10M's.

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Let's see him make some big plays.

Did anyone catch how many cans of Coke he was sucking down at the combine? Every time they showed him. Every time.

If I'm his boss I'm like, "we want you to be the best coach you can be... so lose some weight."

Just curious how they feel about this:

DeBerg
Montana
Bono
Grbac
A. Smith

Mostly unrelated but I can't think of two teams that have this kind of trend.

>Just curious how they feel about this:
>
>DeBerg
>Montana
>Bono
>Grbac
>A. Smith
>
>Mostly unrelated but I can't think of two teams that have this
>kind of trend.

"The 2014 pick moves from a 3rd rounder to 2nd rounder if Chiefs win a certain number of games, NFL source confirms."

I wonder what the threshold is. 8 wins?

Niner fans win! Guy was gonna be gone next year anyways. What a haul. The league obviously values the guy higher than a "bust", keep staying mad you 'genda fanatics!

that just happen to do this for a living

i'm shocked half are still here posting and haven't already been snatched up by owners around the country
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people in glass new jersey shitholes shouldnt throw stones.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/alex-smith-final-numbers

Under the current NFL schedule rotation, Kansas City quarterback-in-waiting Alex Smith would play against his soon-to-be former team in 2014.



The 49ers are set to open play in their Santa Clara stadium at the beginning of the 2014 season. The 49ers last played the Chiefs in Kansas City in 2010, so barring a change to the schedule formula, Kansas City would come to the 49ers' new stadium in its inaugural season. The Chiefs inherit the final two years of Smith's contract, so he is signed through the 2014 season.

Speaking of Smith's contract, when he signed with the 49ers in the summer of 2005 as the No. 1 pick in the draft, his deal called for him to make $57 million over six seasons.



But after injuries in 2007 and 2008, Smith agreed to a significant pay cut. He signed two more contracts with the 49ers before the 2011 and 2012 seasons.

The final figures are in: Smith played eight seasons, during which time the 49ers paid him a total of $54.8 million, according to a league source.

That averages out to $6.85 million a season. Yes, that's a lot of money. But that's not an exorbitant amount of money for a quarterback in the NFL who was chosen with the No. 1 overall pick.



A lot has been made about Smith's past two seasons under the direction of an offensive-minded head coach, Jim Harbaugh, and the same offensive coordinator, Greg Roman. But Smith's turnaround really began after he came back from shoulder injuries that derailed his 2007 and '08 seasons.

In Smith's final four seasons with the 49ers, he started 45 games and completed 62.1 percent of his attempts with 62 touchdowns and 32 interceptions for a passer rating of 88.2
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>http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/alex-smith-final-numbers
>
>Under the current NFL schedule rotation, Kansas City
>quarterback-in-waiting Alex Smith would play against his
>soon-to-be former team in 2014.
>
>
>
>The 49ers are set to open play in their Santa Clara stadium at
>the beginning of the 2014 season. The 49ers last played the
>Chiefs in Kansas City in 2010, so barring a change to the
>schedule formula, Kansas City would come to the 49ers' new
>stadium in its inaugural season. The Chiefs inherit the final
>two years of Smith's contract, so he is signed through the
>2014 season.
>
>Speaking of Smith's contract, when he signed with the 49ers in
>the summer of 2005 as the No. 1 pick in the draft, his deal
>called for him to make $57 million over six seasons.
>
>
>
>But after injuries in 2007 and 2008, Smith agreed to a
>significant pay cut. He signed two more contracts with the
>49ers before the 2011 and 2012 seasons.
>
>The final figures are in: Smith played eight seasons, during
>which time the 49ers paid him a total of $54.8 million,
>according to a league source.
>
>That averages out to $6.85 million a season. Yes, that's a lot
>of money. But that's not an exorbitant amount of money for a
>quarterback in the NFL who was chosen with the No. 1 overall
>pick.
>
>
>
>A lot has been made about Smith's past two seasons under the
>direction of an offensive-minded head coach, Jim Harbaugh, and
>the same offensive coordinator, Greg Roman. But Smith's
>turnaround really began after he came back from shoulder
>injuries that derailed his 2007 and '08 seasons.
>
>In Smith's final four seasons with the 49ers, he started 45
>games and completed 62.1 percent of his attempts with 62
>touchdowns and 32 interceptions for a passer rating of 88.2
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This is an L no matter how you slice it.

possibly 2 2nd round picks for the "bust".. a top 7 statistical performance last year, kid blows away guys like Vick and Scam. It's over man, take it and digest it and move on like a man, you look worse and worse.

Kid gets a competent staff and plays well, he's not the bust, the organization was a bust...but now all is good in ninerland lol.

>possibly 2 2nd round picks for the "bust".. a top 7
>statistical performance last year, kid blows away guys like
>Vick and Scam. It's over man, take it and digest it and move
>on like a man, you look worse and worse.

The only people that don't acknowledge Alex Smith as a bust are irrational 9ers fans in complete denial.

*PAUSE*

You referred to Cam Newton as scam. You're the dude defending a bust it took 7 years to look like a universally accepted starting quarterback. Alex Smith would sell his soul for Cam's best season. You're really upset and immature. Alex Smith couldn't carry Mike Vick's pads so GTFOH.

>
>Kid gets a competent staff and plays well, he's not the bust,
>the organization was a bust...but now all is good in ninerland
>lol.

Nope, Alex Smith is a bust and none of y'all have the integrity to acknowledge it. The definition of a bust involves mediocre seasons. At some point any organization acknowledges it. Give Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey or Troy Smith six years to suck and they could generate a few picks in a trade as well.

That one drop shit you said earlier sonned your whole point. I'm not cheerleading anything but pointing facts in-line with what others have said. You and the rest of the Alex Smith apologists with a persecution complex will hopefully defend Colin's greatness with this same intensity.

lol. Alex apologists? MFer an entire organization with a respected "qb guru" gave us a 2nd rounder (basically a late first ) AND midrounder for this "BUST"...a guy who would've BEEN RELEASED NEXT YEAR hahahahah. This ish is over, trade value and LEAGUE MARKET VALUE says it all for us. Not only that, but it's been revealed that other organizations were driving his price up. That alone shows how WRONG you are about this, the NFL is slapping you in the face with it. This isn't about being an apologist or having a complex, its about TAKING RESPONSIBILITY and being a grown up, like so many black people I know have failed to do.

QBs have become good after 5-7 years in this league, it happens. For you to isolate one guy and ignore the key factor (circumstance) is very questionable. I know it pains you that a black coach almost ruined this guy but he came back to prove you wrong. It's ok, just man up and stop trying SO HARD to prove you have some semblance of objectivity or intelligence regarding this situation. The only people with any sense seem to be fellow niner fans, and that's for good reason. You know-it-all's on this site clearly don't know the details about what went on, and it really shows in your incompetent analysis.

And about the favorite subject on here, Kap is more white than black, that's just how it is. Abandoned by black father (typical) and white mother, raised by WHITES to be a good guy. Deal with it hahaha.

anyone seen mcdeezjawns lately? is this his return?

>lol. Alex apologists? MFer an entire organization with a
>respected "qb guru" gave us a 2nd rounder (basically a late
>first ) AND midrounder for this "BUST"...a guy who would've
>BEEN RELEASED NEXT YEAR hahahahah. This ish is over, trade
>value and LEAGUE MARKET VALUE says it all for us. Not only
>that, but it's been revealed that other organizations were
>driving his price up. That alone shows how WRONG you are
>about this, the NFL is slapping you in the face with it. This
>isn't about being an apologist or having a complex, its about
>TAKING RESPONSIBILITY and being a grown up, like so many black
>people I know have failed to do.
>
>QBs have become good after 5-7 years in this league, it
>happens. For you to isolate one guy and ignore the key factor
>(circumstance) is very questionable. I know it pains you that
>a black coach almost ruined this guy but he came back to prove
>you wrong. It's ok, just man up and stop trying SO HARD to
>prove you have some semblance of objectivity or intelligence
>regarding this situation. The only people with any sense seem
>to be fellow niner fans, and that's for good reason. You
>know-it-all's on this site clearly don't know the details
>about what went on, and it really shows in your incompetent
>analysis.
>
>And about the favorite subject on here, Kap is more white than
>black, that's just how it is. Abandoned by black father
>(typical) and white mother, raised by WHITES to be a good
>guy. Deal with it hahaha.

You're clearly Tek's alias.

No freakin' way. Is Mike Vick a bust then? lol. The comedy.

Jordan could sneak into Kobe's Kompound tonight under cover of dark and slit his throat with a dagger made from 6 melted-down rings and it wouldn't generate this level of heat.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

nm

>Jordan could sneak into Kobe's Kompound tonight under cover
>of dark and slit his throat with a dagger made from 6
>melted-down rings and it wouldn't generate this level of
>heat.
>
>I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

well done

And can't take responsibility when they've been proven wrong (responsibility is something that could be looked at through a racial lens but I won't go there). The integrity of this forum gets put in jeopardy. Those who were wrong regarding this guy know who they are, they are still too childish to admit it though.

Overall, it sets a really bad precedent. If people can't take their "L" and admit they are wrong like grownups, what's the point of debating and prognosticating on this here forum? The childish behavior is a bad look. The debate was won about a year ago lol.

What's even worse, is these same children try to overcompensate by yelling that they weren't wrong and drawing even more attention to the subject. It's really just the human ego refusing to admit obvious defeat....very sad.

There is also a racial aspect to Alex because he's the white guy who got too many chances (which is only true if you FAIL to look at circumstance), and the black people on this site have taken that aspect to heart....like they always do with anything remotely racial...it's the main agenda on this entire forum. In this place, "You Mad" counts as an argument haha.

ON A MESSAGEBOARD. lmao. log-off.
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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

Let's just make stupid statements and never take responsibility! makes for a great debate and a great forum! Not only that, let's race bait and stick up for agendas that have been proven wrong over time, great stuff.


log off.


The best is when people can't argue anymore and just say "you mad", chuckles inside.

I'm just obsessed about the 49ers, and I love reading opinions from people who are knowledgeable about that subject...you included. What I don't like is people who claim to know shit when they really don't know JACK...especially when they try to poke and prod true fans of the team for no reason except to exact some sort of revenge for an "L" they should've taken a long time ago but refuse to take because they are too juvenile.

The Alex Smith situation is very complex with a lot of circumstance involved, for someone to come in and say "you fukking niner fans need to take your L, it's been 7 years!" is pure ignorance and needs to be thought of as such. It's also pretty obvious to anyone with clear eyes that he gets a lot of heat on this board (along with true niner fans) because he's white and posters have a race complex as big as Kobe's ego. Sad but true. This topic was over a year ago, and because of the low analytical capabilities of some posters, it's refused to die out.. you can thank them.

as for race baiting, go read post 67 and fuck yourself.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

perfectly.

shit that is said on this board that is rooted in many other sports-social elements and take them so serious... the only one seriously taking race seriously in here in you.

and you a dumb mother fucker when it comes to that.

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re-reading some of these replies again


yikes ..gonna be a long season for some of yall

Post 180 is golden. I wonder if Kira ever took that "fuck nigga" josephmurf up on that bet, since 8-8 is a damn near certainty at this point, and the chiefs are currently tied with Denver right now.

'Funny' how smuts only applied abusive language warnings to OldPro but others got to say as much as they wanted.

And also great how all these Giant fans were talking that shit while their O and FIVE team got their shit TOSSED by that "fraud"


the gift that keeps giving. dumbass posters who can't man up for their Ls

>'Funny' how smuts only applied abusive language warnings to
>OldPro but others got to say as much as they wanted.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised but that shit was bad even for this place.. I mean we talkin about OE here who's been king troll for the longest.. but I'm upsetting everyone with my abusive language lol. Mods flexing what little power they do have based on who is aliened with their point of view.. what a damn joke. And then to threaten to delete me like I really give two fucks... if that's what this place has become then by all means do your worst. I mean if it weren't for you, Hood and a few other cats I wouldn't fuck with this place at all and this point.

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but wanted to give him fair time to respond to it since I think that post was made several hours after he gave you the warning on your post... and then I ended up forgetting to get back to it.

but yeah not a good look at all.

but a few bar tabs will be paid by Alex and the Chiefs with friends around the way. I am truely happy for dude, he deserves it.

...

9ers fans.

I never bet Joseph. You persecution complex having 9ers fans lose with every good game Alex has. You lose in more ways than one.

Put it like this: outside of the 49ers' RDF, no one else denies facts. This is no shot at Chiefs fans either. Y'all deserve all the praise in the world for being true fans and sticking with your squad.

He asked if you man up and bet. which you didn't because you are a bitchmade cunt. Secondly we are all laughing being happy for Alex. You have been consistently mad the past 3 years because he smashed your mom or some shit like that. How's Catson Palmer working out for you, twat?

>He asked if you man up and bet. which you didn't because you
>are a bitchmade cunt. Secondly we are all laughing being
>happy for Alex. You have been consistently mad the past 3
>years because he smashed your mom or some shit like that.
>How's Catson Palmer working out for you, twat?


Carson Palmer's looked better than Kaep. The Browns are 4-1. The 9ers are overrrated. Stop speaking a hoe's tone fuckboy. This is karmacally bad pre-emptive cysage by all of you fucks. You're 9ers fans so this is second nature to you.

http://www.nfl.com/standings

Look at you loud and fucking wrong again. And lol at you talking about Carson >>>>>> Kaep. But this post is about Alex Smith. You know one of 3 undefeated QBs in the league. The guy with probably the best record outside anyone named Brady, and Rogers the past 3 years. That's what we are talking about. Keep trying though. Speaking of Cardinals though who have they beaten? Who did Carson have his good games against? What Ds have they played? Keep being loud and wrong and i'm gonna keep calling you out for being a bitchmande punk who knows nothing, just so you don't forget. (i imagine you walk around with a helmet due to running into things so you probably have a shitty memory)

I think its a combination of Reid's game plan and Alex's ability to not really make mistakes that has us where we're at right now, plus a kickass defense. All Alex has to do is not lose the game, and we're good....



You gon' live forever
Whether you want to or not
Some of us gon' end up holy
Some of us gon' end up hot.....

This year is going to be Andy's best chance at that ring since Donovan/TO (sucks they have to come out of Denver's Division). Alex won't make some of the throws Donovan did but also to the chiegs benefit Alex won't make some of the throwns Donovan did. And there are still situations in which i think KC can win that division. There schedule is a lot softer down the stretch than Denvers.

shame about all the obnoxious childish name-calling.

I missed OE's bullshit the first time around (it was only in one post, #21 I think). And if you think I'm biased for him, then LOL, maybe you should KIM and find another board.

And yall are all starting up with the same bullshit again today.

Just stop.