1994- @@@@
1996- @@@@1/2
1999- @@@@
2002- @@@@



and since we are on the subject.....

1998-@@@1/2
2000-@@@@
2002-@@@@


oh well....maybe next time.

2002 was a weak assed year.....well the beginning wasn't bad

when I moved out to fuckin nashville it went downhill....

one second what were you talkin about?

better yet what was I talkin about?

Was up people? Just gettin set for the Jelly filled tour. Keep your eyes open for the Do'h Nuts, we gonna bring it to you live on stage. Comin straight out ever Green Terrace, Springfeild. Can’t no one bring this shit to yo like the Do’h Nuts, we bring you that real shit. Wit my nigga Carl Carlson on bass, Lenny hititn the keys, Barney Gumble on the drums,the Lyrical stylins of Homer "Mr. Plow" Simpson, and me your man DJ Lardlad. " -DJ Lardlad, off the 2003 Jelly Filled, Hip Hop tour. Featuring Dj Comic Book Guy and Sea Captain McCallester, Senor Burns and the Isotopes, The Krusty the Klown Break Dancers, and the Headliners "Do'h Nuts" featuring DJ Lardlad. Coming to rock a stage near you.

these are the roots and (i think) commons' source mic ratings. both of the new albums got @@@@..

..or am i totally wrong?

>these are the roots and (i think) commons' source mic
>ratings. both of the new albums got @@@@..

Don't think that's Common, if so he would have include '94.
>
>..or am i totally wrong?

what happened to 95'& 97'?
2good yrs!

"i ain't gotta flex my city"-pastor troy

4 is better than 3.

Anyways, music cant be systematically judged / categorized.
Different music does different things for different people.

Sheek Looch is killin it right now!!!!!!!

I stopped reading that magizine in 98.
Piece of shit in my opinion.
KC

1998-@@@1/2 ( blackstar )
2000-@@@@ ( Train of Thought )
2002-@@@@ ( Quality )

i caught the roots years but i didnt know if the others applied to slum or whoever

from bestbuy.com

The Source (11/98, p.198) - 3.5 Mics (out of 5) - "...With a delicate balance of Black Nationalism, well-chosen interludes and lyrics to go, high-pitched metaphor specialist Kweli and straight-up showman Mos prove that they're more than just 'lyrically handsome'..."

It should've gotten 5 Mics...

The Black Star album was good, but it had flaws. I think it deserved what it got from The Source. Look at the improvements on "Black On Both Sides" & "Reflection Eternal". Both got 4 mics, but they deserved 5 (well, at least Mos anyway).

The Roots got 4 mics this time?
Hmmm... gotta look into that.
Besides, ratings don't mean shit.
Nelly is a consistent 3½ mic man, and he sells big...
I can't see Eminem get 5 mics either, unless he reeeeeeally comes good...

It could've been worse... Kim Osorio and the guys couldn't have understood the album's "change of pace" and given it three, but knowing Kim (a huuuuuge Wu-Tang fan) she accepts change.

Definition
RE:Definition
Children's Story
Brown Skin Lady
K.O.S. ( Determination )
Hater Players
Respiration
Thieves in the Night
Twice Inna Lifetime

^^An album with 9 classic's isnt 3.5 Mics, and 'Train of Thought' is better than 'BOBS'...

*Blueprint, Stillmatic and The Fix didnt deserve 5 Mics*

I will knife-fight anyone who says otherwise. LOL.

We can go verse for verse or song for song, however you want it.

was a lot better than BoBS. I'm not trying to take anything away from Mos but Kweli had the better album.

Thus far I truly feel that they release their best efforts as a duo.

Lol, I think they work better alone.





"drink drink drunk until I can't hack-it, until the little man falls of the horse on my Polo jacket"-J-Ro

cause ain't no way i'm showin black on both sides more love than reflection eternal. kweli is THE nigga on the mic.

their mics mean nothing.

*I* give blackstar 10 mics. and that's all that matters.

nobody asked you.

unless he reeeeeeally
>comes good...

damn---how good does he need to come? a reverse MJ? LOL!

but on the real--i'm happy. contrary to what y'all may assume, "break you off" is NOT the direction of the record. we are just smart enough to dupe a few 106 and parkers to buy it (do not misread this as a "comprimise" song statement either, i stand by the song (more the album version than radio edit)--but i know we had to do what we had to do.

and i was a lil scurrred because it flys all over the place, that i knew that they give ratings on some "street" level. as in will a mofo from st. louis love this or not. and i knew it had to have been better than the average album just so that we could get a four (i still say if this was the mind squad from 1994 we woulda gotten @@@@1/2)--but it's cool. i'm still hungry as fuck, and i'm not stopping til i get my @@@@1/2.

if anything i'm more dissapointed that we didn't get the main review--that honor went to

1990-@@@@
1993-@@@
1995-@@@@
1997-@@@@ (don't quote me on this one)
2000-@@@1/2 (really not certain about this one either)
2002- (1985 @@@@@)
2002- @@@@

and the four "@@@@"er artist got the coveted HHQ honors.

still hungry.

Wtf

Everybodys saying his new album is garbage. Oh well..

nah, i'm guessing jay z, isn't bp2 supposed to drop in november?

.

>nah, i'm guessing jay z, isn't bp2 supposed to drop in
>november?

Can u name the Jay-Z album that came out in '90?

n/m

Did LL's 97 album get 3 1/2 mics

>
>if anything i'm more dissapointed that we didn't get the
>main review--that honor went to

...cool j (?). He has been in the 'game' WAY longer than y'all. I'd say he deserves it. I know u ain't sweatin' it...but hey...

i'm more dissapointed that we didn't get the
>main review--that honor went to

(Damn man, can u ever stop being so damn cryptic...you got me playing source review challenge here...)

>1990-@@@@
>1993-@@@
>1995-@@@@
>1998-@@@@ (don't quote me on this one)
>2002- (1985 @@@@@)
>2002- @@@@
>
>and the four "@@@@"er artist got the coveted HHQ honors.
>
>still hungry.

that wasn't ll, cuz goat came out in 2000; 14 shots did get 3 mics though, but there's a gap between 98 and 2002

he got a retor 5 mics for paid in full since the source wasnt in existence when it came out originally

Yeah, it's a shame that it got less than 4-1/2

!!!!

EXACTLY.

Especially after all that that record meant to me...

Even more reason to say FUCK THE SOURCE.

From what I've heard so far i'm not disappointed 1 bit.Well at least yall are consistent.That's what counts,that along with longevity!!!Long live the roots!!!

lose their way in the limbo of the commercial middleground. (see: atcq)

even the most skillful funambulist can't walk the tightrope forever; the desire for more (either acclaim on the one side, or fame on the other) always knocks the balancing act off.

it's really a depressing thing as a hiphop head to know all of your favorites must do the grayson tumble sooner or later, for one reason or the other.



BÖNZ MALONE'S REAL NIGGA RULES 4 LIFE:

1. anyone who will get you killed is your enemy.
2. real niggas study conventional wisdom.*
3. real niggas shun conventional wisdom.*
4. the last "a" in "gangsta" is for amateurism.
5. potential threats don't speak.
6. power is not what you can have done, it's what you can get done despite opposition and resistence.
7. success is a journey, not a destination.
8. to become truly great, help others acheive greatness.
9. real niggas build themselves into commodities by lifting with their heads, which builds their minds.
10. real niggas don't have to keep it real, they keep it to themselves.

if that was a robin reference, i tip my hat to you, sir, for obscure reference of the week.

no, wait...

*takes a bow*



BÖNZ MALONE'S REAL NIGGA RULES 4 LIFE:

1. anyone who will get you killed is your enemy.
2. real niggas study conventional wisdom.*
3. real niggas shun conventional wisdom.*
4. the last "a" in "gangsta" is for amateurism.
5. potential threats don't speak.
6. power is not what you can have done, it's what you can get done despite opposition and resistence.
7. success is a journey, not a destination.
8. to become truly great, help others acheive greatness.
9. real niggas build themselves into commodities by lifting with their heads, which builds their minds.
10. real niggas don't have to keep it real, they keep it to themselves.

Off topic, but god did that story suck badly.

just wanted to say that to somebody...

Shaun G. --- who actually got the reference

so why do you give a fuck? You're not stoppin tell they give you 5? Who the fuck are they? Man let the people decide. And i mean YOUR PEOPLE not 106 and Park.


Sincerely yours,

These muthafuckin........ nuttttttttttttts

I don't love The Lesson
I don't love General
I don't love OkayPlayer
Frankly I don't love nothing they got to do with
But, but you know what I want you to do for me?
General, Lesson, check this shit out here...
I want you to put these bizzalls, in your jizzaws...
And work em like a strizzaw... and tell me what ya sizzaw (c) Snoop D-O Double Gizzle

>so why do you give a fuck?
it's my career. i give a fuck.



You're not stoppin tell they
>give you 5?

nope. 4.5



And i mean YOUR PEOPLE not 106 and Park.

the people who control the fate of my record sales are the people that watch 106 AND PARK. the higest rated viacom show. just like cats depended on yo mtv raps, im depending on 106...

>>so why do you give a fuck?
>it's my career. i give a fuck.

we're talkin two different things here... i'm talkin why you care about the Source... you're talkin career. The source can give MADE MEN 50 mics and they'll still brick.

> You're not stoppin tell they
>>give you 5?
>
>nope. 4.5

unnecessary


>And i mean YOUR PEOPLE not 106 and Park.
>
>the people who control the fate of my record sales are the
>people that watch 106 AND PARK. the higest rated viacom
>show. just like cats depended on yo mtv raps, im depending
>on 106...

Now this state ment i was talkin about the mainstream... not Source. Yes you do have to throw a clap at the mainstream consumers and thats understood. But dont let them, nor the Source determine sucess vs. failure. That was my point.


Sincerely yours,

These muthafuckin........ nuttttttttttttts

I don't love The Lesson
I don't love General
I don't love OkayPlayer
Frankly I don't love nothing they got to do with
But, but you know what I want you to do for me?
General, Lesson, check this shit out here...
I want you to put these bizzalls, in your jizzaws...
And work em like a strizzaw... and tell me what ya sizzaw (c) Snoop D-O Double Gizzle

plus four mics, and he goes seran wrap. lol

Word....I just don't get that.....


>plus four mics, and he goes seran wrap. lol

"The camel never sees its own hump but that of its brothers is always before its eyes"- N.African proverb

why 4.5, and not 5?

and don't worry, all of the people i know who have birthdays around the end of november are getting the same present.


aurgasm:

n.e.r.d. - in search of...
nas - illmatic
rjd2 - dead ringer
outkast - aquemini
the roots - illadeph halflife

from the "How many mics do you think the roots are gonna get?" post, umm, I think on page two:

>my dream
>is to get @@@@1/2
>we will probably get @@@@.

>i never want a @@@@@
>because if we do, it gets scrutinized and hated.

>i want people to love it.
>you listen different when u get a @@@@@

>none of your peers listen in love
>always like competition.

>so @@@@1/2 is where it's at.
>it's what im aiming for.
>

5's are never 5's.

and it gets too scrutinized. besides, those ratings are lifestyle ratings. they award em on status and lifestyle. as much as i love aquemini---part of me is listening to them as "competition" so it makes it real hard for me to enjoy it as an album. all i see are 5s. same with blueprint same with scarface, et al.

4.5 is the same as a 5, but it's less scrutinizing.

a true five.

the majority of the pre-97 @@@@@'s are on-point.

they began givin out token mics wit "life after death".

the mindsquad is in denial of the fact that heads just ain't been makin classic albums lately.

-30-

>a true five.
>
>the majority of the pre-97 @@@@@'s are on-point.
>
>they began givin out token mics wit "life after death".

I stand behind "Life After Death"
Its such a complete album. 5 mics in terms of hiphop is fitting for it. 5 mics in terms of all genres is probably a bit much. But the source is a hiphop publication. "Life After Death" is not flawless but no 5 mic album is.


>the mindsquad is in denial of the fact that heads just ain't
>been makin classic albums lately.
>
>-30-

Sincerely yours,

These muthafuckin........ nuttttttttttttts

I don't love The Lesson
I don't love General
I don't love OkayPlayer
Frankly I don't love nothing they got to do with
But, but you know what I want you to do for me?
General, Lesson, check this shit out here...
I want you to put these bizzalls, in your jizzaws...
And work em like a strizzaw... and tell me what ya sizzaw (c) Snoop D-O Double Gizzle

>I stand behind "Life After Death"
>Its such a complete album. 5 mics in terms of hiphop is
>fitting for it. 5 mics in terms of all genres is probably a
>bit much. But the source is a hiphop publication. "Life
>After Death" is not flawless but no 5 mic album is.

i wouldn't change a thing wit illmatic (even the imperfections were ceelo), but i'd definitely make "life after death" a single cd (maybe even illmatic-length).

-30-

>it's my career. i give a fuck.

your career is makin' good music.

success and profits are an added bonus.


> You're not stoppin tell they
>>give you 5?
>
>nope. 4.5

man, who gives a fuck 'bout grades? report cards don't determine a scholar's intelligence nor do ratings determine a musician's quality.

>And i mean YOUR PEOPLE not 106 and Park.
>
>the people who control the fate of my record sales are the
>people that watch 106 AND PARK. the higest rated viacom
>show. just like cats depended on yo mtv raps, im depending
>on 106...

actually, it seems like y'all been pretty successful without having to depend on 106 and Park.

btw, i'm curious, do you

A) make music independant of outside pressure then after the product's complete, hope that it'll have commercial success


B) make music while simultaneously considerin' what's necessary for commercial appeal

i'm rootin' for a.

i'm all for commercial success 'cause i want all folks to have access to good music but i'm hopin' that artists don't purposely compromise their genetic style just for the sake of creatin' consumer-friendly music.

i make music for me,
but i am well aware of the consequences.

....thats hard to beleive...I thought maybe the highest rated show on B.E.T....Never would of thought 106 and Park....

I don't know if it beats all the CBS shows, that would surprise me...

when quest said viacom, he probably meant their music properties, as in "106 is the highest rated of the shows on BET, MTV and VH1" which I am fairly certain is true.

It is the highest rated...it consistently beats TRL, and they're having a fit over at MTV trying to figure what the hell is happening over at BET.

>i make music for me,

yeah, i understand that. but i'm tryin' to understand what's important to you when you make me-oriented music.

so, i'll re-post, do you:

A) make music independant of outside pressure then after the product's complete, hope that it'll have commercial success


B) make music while simultaneously considerin' what's necessary for commercial appeal

from your replies, it seems like you want a larger audience, which is understandable. but how much did this affect the whole production process? i mean, while phrenology was movin' along the creative pipeline, were you askin' yourself, "does this sound good to me?" or "i wonder if this will sound good to 106 & parkers?" i'm just curious.

>but i am well aware of the consequences.

when i say for me.


meaning to my satisfaction.

when i say consequences, meaning the hip hop i'm accustomed to dosn't appeal to the average joe nowadays

think not?


ask the average joe about "menatally mad".


if they don't get it, then you see what i'm up against.

however, who dosn't want a larger audience? i've been doing this for 10 years, i think it's due time we get to play larger houses that my peers who started on that same level with us in 94 did.

but--in this cliamte of being on universal, i can't call it. if this album flops-- i think it could be curtains. the marketplace is falling apart, and clearly people doing art for arts sake are being totally put out to pasture (see meshell)--

so that is what we are caught in. ask BEP and Jurassic and bilal the headaches that interscope have them going through. i aint complaining. i'm up to the challenge. but this is a whole new game, and i know the rules. it aint fair---but eff it.

did we follow our vison? hell yes
did we comprimise our final vison? fuck no.
did it take forever to make? yep but we got it right.

and that's all that matters

>but--in this cliamte of being on universal, i can't call it.
>if this album flops-- i think it could be curtains. the
>marketplace is falling apart, and clearly people doing art
>for arts sake are being totally put out to pasture (see
>meshell)--
>

scares me, are you serious Quest? Or do you mean curtains as far as getting major label support for a Roots project?

I feel y'all struggle, but remember, be careful what you ask/wish for cause you just may get it....Good Luck!!!!

I think he meant major label support. The labels are still trying to deal with changes in the economy post-9/11 as well as those wrought by the Internet.

i'm all for the roots getting even bigger and playing larger places but please don't forget about the medium sized venues. i don't think anything can match the enegery of seeing a roots concert at the 930 club. i think the 3/3/01 930 show may be the best concert of my life (im just 19).

don't get me wrong, if the roots can headline an arena tour...with just the roots i would wait in line to get tix, it would be crazy to see what you could do if you had a big concert budget (see talking heads "stop making sence") or if you can fill a bassball staduim or whatever...i'll be there in a heartbeat,

but also PLEASE keep doing smaller shows too, you may have to play the 930 club for a whole week insted of just a weekend...whatever it takes. ive seen you at college/festival shows and they don't live up to seeing you at a place where the whole crowd knows all your songs, all the lyrics, and all want to dance.

>however, who dosn't want a larger audience? i've been doing
>this for 10 years, i think it's due time we get to play
>larger houses that my peers who started on that same level
>with us in 94 did.
>

so then what do you think the fives that De La got meant? do you see those records that got fives as comp.?

don't count when you are a fan of the group. my 5 checking started post "illmatic".

and you can quote me on that. maybe some other cuts that i haven't heard aren't as good as the ones i've heard. i will say this. i know i will be happy with this album. i've already heard six songs that i love. y'all should worry more about what rolling stone says. more people read and follow that mag. and didn't they give you guys front review with tfa????

or do u not care as much about the rs rating than the source? i know you were hoping for a 4.5, but 4 is still pretty respectable.

Housewives read the Rolling Stone. Besides, the Rolling Stone kinda lost their minds awhile ago, or maybe that's just me.

i mean, rolling stone is usually held in high regard, but when it's not the perferred magazine of your listeners, it may not be as "important."

in rolling stone is like a @@@@1/2 in the source.

@@@@1/2 in rolling stone is like a @@@@@ in the source.

@@@@@ in rolling stone means i owe jaan wearner some cash. (see dylan and jagger and springstein)

...you want a @@@@?

that would be good, actually. because personally, i think their four star albums this year (rhcp, bright eyes, wilco, the strokes) have been a lot better than the @@@@@ (dylan, jagger, springsteen). Although it seems like rs gave em a 5 to kiss their ass (jagger was "eh," and i didn't care much for the other 2 fogies new shit), what do you feel about beck getting @@@@@? personally, i feel he should be at a @@@@. its a good album, but doesn't show a range of shit, and can be boring if you're not in the mood. but that's just my opinion.

so yea, i wouldn't complain if you got a @@@@.

mellow gold: @@@@
odelay: @@@@@
mutations: @@@
midnite vultures: @@@@.5
sea change: @@@@

mutations, @@@?

if any beck album deserves five, in my opinion, it's mutations. it's a remarkable album.

this is like the movie 'a christmas story' where ralphy wanted the red rooster rifle, but when he opened his gift, it was a big pink bunny suit...

damn

yeah but in the end he gets the rifle.

So fuck auntie source.

<this is like the movie 'a christmas story' where ralphy wanted the red rooster rifle>

That's Red Ryder B-B Gun.

I thought noone really paid mind to those clowns anymore.

IMHO, XXL is the better mainstream pub.


NEW SNIPPETS!
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Five Mics has been a lifetime achievement award since BLueprint/Stillmatic.

I can't imagine that Blueprint 2 will get anything over 4 Mics unless Bonnie and Clyde 03 really is the weakest track on there. Nas has a better shot at 4.5.

We should just all be happy the Roots got a new album coming out and it may just go plat. Finally they will get the respect and $ that they deserve and htey did it with out selling out. People need to stop with the just make good music. I admit that when I see people acting like they discovered the hottest new thing that they ignored when I played it a year ago for them I just a little annoyed. But whatever the more people who jam the better. If this draws people away from Ja Rule and Nelly then is there any greater reward for us as fans. Cause the more people that bump good music the less crap we will have to listen too.

and not just their most commercially viable

me.
www.fwmj.com - frank william miller, junior
www.ohsonappy.com - oh, so nappy! unLtd.
www.k-otix.com - Offical K-otix Website
www.littlebrothermusic.com - When T finishes it.

"The term backpacker is about as tired as it gets. The Jungle Brothers were backpackers. So were X-Clan and the Pharcyde.
And for some of us a backpack is where we keep our gat, not our thesaurus. Really, please head down to Project Blowed on a Thursday night in LA and call Self Jupiter or Ellay Khule a backpacker. I saw a quote on Curserver.com the other day where some guy was saying that he watched Khule beat down a promoter with a beer bottle only to go on and perform like 5 minutes later. Dance to that, muthafucka." - Archaic

but i think they're just tryna use good marketing strategy to get this album out there.

speaking of which, what has being 'commercially viable' really meant in hip hop since the early 90s? musically, what does that entail? does it mean that lyrics are more 'street'? is it the bling, bling lifestyle of the artists that fans have come to expect?

talk to me...

don't pretend otherwise :)

me.
www.fwmj.com - frank william miller, junior
www.ohsonappy.com - oh, so nappy! unLtd.
www.k-otix.com - Offical K-otix Website
www.littlebrothermusic.com - When T finishes it.

"The term backpacker is about as tired as it gets. The Jungle Brothers were backpackers. So were X-Clan and the Pharcyde.
And for some of us a backpack is where we keep our gat, not our thesaurus. Really, please head down to Project Blowed on a Thursday night in LA and call Self Jupiter or Ellay Khule a backpacker. I saw a quote on Curserver.com the other day where some guy was saying that he watched Khule beat down a promoter with a beer bottle only to go on and perform like 5 minutes later. Dance to that, muthafucka." - Archaic

lol, yeah I know what you're saying. I was asking e'rybody that question, so...

*tag* you're it!!

XXL sucks ass. I back The Source all the way. I don't read it for reviews (everyone has their own opinion). I read The Source because it brings the complete package of the hip-hop culture: music, politics, advertising, everyday life, the works. Who da fuck wanna read about video hoes and dissing their former bosses? Buncha crybabies is what I say....

I expect XXL to give it a XL...that's what Jurrassic 5 got anyways...

Yall are mad acting like yall have heard the whole album. The source doesnt hold any merit anyways. Judge for yourselves when it comes out.

"you know i rep LA city"-Amad Jamal

"you get diss in the source, your probably fresh"-Evidence

Yeah, I feel like I'm seeing ?uesto the hardline hip-hop "purist" knitting his brow in frustration when I read this post...even if you agree with most of the editorial in The Source, for me the concept of rating a hip-hop record's quality with a number of units lost its meaning many years ago...it just strikes me as such an obsolete way of validating hip-hop records, plus as some people mentioned, the writers consider the artists' lifestyles and fashion sensibilities when they make their ratings, which is overly judgemental. I mean, they can rattle off a number of mikes to "measure" your record by, but can they tell you who James "Blood" Ulmer is? ?uest, you should find satisfaction for yourself, man.

at least I think... Is that how the Source judges music... does the person who writes the review also allocate the mics? or is it a group thing...

If it is one person than ya'll need to relax... that's only 1 (1 dammit!) person's perspective!

lemme use this example. a writer has an audience, a group of readers who enjoy his work, almost completely. but the writer himself, has a particular goal in mind - the pulitzer. eventhough he knows he has this group of readers who will continue to support him in his art, he, himself has a personal goal. For ?uest it's 4.5, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with what we think he should be worried about, or how we feel he should respond to @@@@.

4.5 is the man's pulizter prize...nothing wrong with that.

>lemme use this example. a writer has an audience, a group
>of readers who enjoy his work, almost completely. but the
>writer himself, has a particular goal in mind - the
>pulitzer.

not really. a writer doesn't write with the intention of receivin' a pulitzer. a pulitzer just comes to him/her naturally.

the same should be with artists. they shouldn't create something just 'cause it's likely to receive an award. the reward should come naturally and if it doesn't, who cares, no one needs an award to prove their legitimacy.

it doesn't change the goal of the artist.

that's pretty much pc.

that whole self satisfaction is some nice humble shit, but on the real?

no one out there is thinking 100%--this is for me.

all through voodoo we was dreaming about what our elder influences would think when they heard it.

the reason why riq goes through no less than 5 drafts of verses before he even decides on verse number one is because he's thinking about outdoing and at the same time--getting respect and love from his peers.

and no mc alive--not even the lowest recipient of a source mic (hammer @1/2) can tell you that getting a source classic rating isn't in their dreams.

it's way different now, but pretty much people remember when the source acclaims an album. especially oversees. the same can be said for non hip hop media researchers (snl for example is well aware of our acclaim) who need to know the status of a particular hip hop act that they aren't familiar with.

take that black star review on that online record store some posts up:

now i know at least 300 non hip hop fans (who saw brown sugar this weekend) that are very very curious about mos def, between topdog, and brown sugar and the vanity fair feature. now if the source gave the first record

@@1/2 then gave BOBS a @@@@1/2

what do you think they will grab first?

even my dealer guy at mitchell and ness sportswear mentioned the source ratings when he copped DYWM for the first time.

so to some of us, they hold no weight.

but pretty much they are still considered the hip hop bible to the rest of the world.

and don't confuse the initial post as bitching---again i'm rather shocked. i was really really expecting a @@@1/2, simply because of the musical direction we took it.

hope i shed some light.

my hat is off to you guys......pZ

"if your ears hurt you shouldntlisten that means your artificial and my style will poison your brain tissue"--bad lieutenant

>(snl for
>example is well aware of our acclaim)

i hope this is hinting at somthing... possibly around album dropping time?

to want your music to be considered classic, but it's another to make music for the purpose of being considered as such.

-30-

I feel you on the statement that noone out there is thinking 100% this is for me -- I don't write like that myself. And I remember when The Source magazine's ratings held a lot of weight universally for hip hoppers -- including for me (years ago). But when the writers at The Source started getting lazy with their analyses of more progressive hip-hop records that certain artists were putting out and their laziness SHOWED IN THE WRITING, I tuned out. I'll never forget how Son Of Bazerk's album blew me away when it was released -- hell, the simple fact that it was released blew me away and this was like '90. And The Source reviewer shitted on it with some real subjective and non-analytical writing, citing something like the crazy rock and roll music on the record. From that time forward, I started thinking that writing like that about hip hop would hamper the culture's creativity as well as what showed in the music. Rather than showing the skills and knowledge to talk about music and its origins, I thought, certain writers can get away with their laziness by simply giving mics. And I'll stand by that judgement on my part to this day.

And you did give some good examples of how that magazine's status can influence some peoples' opinions, but then some of your statements (like no emcee alive would not want a 5 mic rating in The Source) seemed overly subjective to me as well.

At any rate, I'm happy that you guys don't use the editorial in The Source as a guide to what you put in your records.

but--in this cliamte of being on universal, i can't call it. if this album flops-- i think it could be curtains. the marketplace is falling apart, and clearly people doing art for arts sake are being totally put out to pasture (see meshell)--

but, the roots and meshell are in diff'nt situations. from the get-go, meshell didn't have much success. the roots, on the other hand, have tasted success, as evidenced by the gold status of things fall apart. your album was a success without havin' to compromise the characteristic roots sound.

besides, y'all have a pretty loyal fanbase.

and, on this:

You're not stoppin tell they
>give you 5?

nope. 4.5

well, like bonz said, "success is a journey, not a destination"(taken from my nigga pra's sig).

>that's pretty much pc.
>
>that whole self satisfaction is some nice humble shit, but
>on the real?
>
>no one out there is thinking 100%--this is for me.
>
>all through voodoo we was dreaming about what our elder
>influences would think when they heard it.
>the reason why riq goes through no less than 5 drafts of
>verses before he even decides on verse number one is because
>he's thinking about outdoing and at the same time--getting
>respect and love from his peers.

sure. but, wantin' approval from his peers ain't the same as gettin' free and lala's approval.

>and no mc alive--not even the lowest recipient of a source
>mic (hammer @1/2) can tell you that getting a source classic
>rating isn't in their dreams.

ain't nuthin' wrong with that but if the source is based on a biased rating system, why give it any worth?

>it's way different now, but pretty much people remember when
>the source acclaims an album. especially oversees. the same
>can be said for non hip hop media researchers (snl for
>example is well aware of our acclaim) who need to know the
>status of a particular hip hop act that they aren't familiar
>with.

4 mics is pretty impressive.


>take that black star review on that online record store some
>posts up:
>
>now i know at least 300 non hip hop fans (who saw brown
>sugar this weekend) that are very very curious about mos
>def, between topdog, and brown sugar and the vanity fair
>feature. now if the source gave the first record
>
>@@1/2 then gave BOBS a @@@@1/2
>
>what do you think they will grab first?

actually, what they'll do is grab BOBS, then after diggin' what they hear, will proceed to purchase the first album. that's a process that a lot of folks are familiar with, includin' my self.

>even my dealer guy at mitchell and ness sportswear mentioned
>the source ratings when he copped DYWM for the first time.
>
>so to some of us, they hold no weight.
>
>but pretty much they are still considered the hip hop bible
>to the rest of the world.
>
>and don't confuse the initial post as bitching---again i'm
>rather shocked. i was really really expecting a @@@1/2,
>simply because of the musical direction we took it.

i hear you.

>hope i shed some light.

yes. thanks. i 'ppreciate your explaination.


but haha at the posts down below. anyone who asks questions critically is automatically accused of bein' a "hater" and those who give compliments are reduced to "dickrider" status.

one person makes a reccomendation that can be changed by the editor..and is often changed.

I haven't really gone through a Source issue in a while so I'm lost...

Is that dude who started it (Dave Mays??) still there, and isn't he down with Benzino and the Made Men, and didn't they get 4.5 mics a while back... hmmm....

and she's starting to turn some things around over there

dovely divine
~s.l.o.c.~

for real she is

You seem to be chasing an existance where the Source loves your album, 106 & Park loves your singles... and Okayplayer.com rides your nuts regardless.

The only group that has that right now is Outkast. If you keep chasing that existance The Roots will lose thier identity and your DYWM fans wont be around to support you. Thats as simple as I can put it without inciting a riot around here.


Sincerely yours,

These muthafuckin........ nuttttttttttttts

I don't love The Lesson
I don't love General
I don't love OkayPlayer
Frankly I don't love nothing they got to do with
But, but you know what I want you to do for me?
General, Lesson, check this shit out here...
I want you to put these bizzalls, in your jizzaws...
And work em like a strizzaw... and tell me what ya sizzaw (c) Snoop D-O Double Gizzle

what the hell kinda review is that? lol

Make a cut called "FUCK FOUR MICS!"

4 mics That's cool and all,continuity in shit....nm

If you think,it's some groups that can barely get two mics nowadays

I wouldn't sweat it though just look over your shoulder and be like ummm,hmmmm.....Once you let that so called status quo go you can free your mind more on the execution......

I know,I know it matters but really does it...


You want to win 106 & Park?????

*slaps hands together then puts up the picture window gesture*

Just get MusiQ on the stage during the live performance,first, before droppin the video, then switch the beat to some slow wicked tempo like the original tempo of the Al Green intro that Biggie used to death.

Have MusiQ babyoil the flesh for the estrogen persuasion.
A wife beater some sweatpants....Have him work the crowd with few choruses.....hands out to the ladies,on his knees maybe once,and some serious intense energy.

toss out some phernology shirts and promo items.....eventhough most of them will look at the title and be stumped by the "Big College Word"
*fur-nee-ologeee*

The stage is tight so Black(thought) must stand still don't jump around,do some Marvin type ish.....(Beyonce proved that too much is too much)

Insert BET some where in the Chorus.


Right after the performance drop the video.....

like a sucesseful formula to me
peace
dave

I can't believe how some posters take every opportunity to attack anything remotely positive.

It's pretty sick actually. I don't know why any of the artists even give people the time of day here anymore.

>1994- @@@@
>1996- @@@@1/2
>1999- @@@@
>2002- @@@@

you are the R.E.M. of hip hop

Let's hope they have as much longevity as REM does.

Where is REM are they even still around....

when you think the roots gonna break up?

It's hard to imagine that they will...maybe even never

Quest got arthritis and shit his fro all gray

Thought starts havin a coughin spell while he's rappin

Kamal falls asleep at his keyboard

that would be funny

Was up people? Just gettin set for the Jelly filled tour. Keep your eyes open for the Do'h Nuts, we gonna bring it to you live on stage. Comin straight out ever Green Terrace, Springfeild. Can’t no one bring this shit to yo like the Do’h Nuts, we bring you that real shit. Wit my nigga Carl Carlson on bass, Lenny hititn the keys, Barney Gumble on the drums,the Lyrical stylins of Homer "Mr. Plow" Simpson, and me your man DJ Lardlad. " -DJ Lardlad, off the 2003 Jelly Filled, Hip Hop tour. Featuring Dj Comic Book Guy and Sea Captain McCallester, Senor Burns and the Isotopes, The Krusty the Klown Break Dancers, and the Headliners "Do'h Nuts" featuring DJ Lardlad. Coming to rock a stage near you.

R.E.M. released their latest album Reveal in 2001.

When did this happen? I guess my other music tastes since i've attempted to prove my "blackness" by getting into Hip Hop

Was up people? Just gettin set for the Jelly filled tour. Keep your eyes open for the Do'h Nuts, we gonna bring it to you live on stage. Comin straight out ever Green Terrace, Springfeild. Can’t no one bring this shit to yo like the Do’h Nuts, we bring you that real shit. Wit my nigga Carl Carlson on bass, Lenny hititn the keys, Barney Gumble on the drums,the Lyrical stylins of Homer "Mr. Plow" Simpson, and me your man DJ Lardlad. " -DJ Lardlad, off the 2003 Jelly Filled, Hip Hop tour. Featuring Dj Comic Book Guy and Sea Captain McCallester, Senor Burns and the Isotopes, The Krusty the Klown Break Dancers, and the Headliners "Do'h Nuts" featuring DJ Lardlad. Coming to rock a stage near you.

Pop music has been rather dead lately, but there's so much more to music than what you get from The Source.

Not that I don't like other music

I just haven't discovered new other music


Was up people? Just gettin set for the Jelly filled tour. Keep your eyes open for the Do'h Nuts, we gonna bring it to you live on stage. Comin straight out ever Green Terrace, Springfeild. Can’t no one bring this shit to yo like the Do’h Nuts, we bring you that real shit. Wit my nigga Carl Carlson on bass, Lenny hititn the keys, Barney Gumble on the drums,the Lyrical stylins of Homer "Mr. Plow" Simpson, and me your man DJ Lardlad. " -DJ Lardlad, off the 2003 Jelly Filled, Hip Hop tour. Featuring Dj Comic Book Guy and Sea Captain McCallester, Senor Burns and the Isotopes, The Krusty the Klown Break Dancers, and the Headliners "Do'h Nuts" featuring DJ Lardlad. Coming to rock a stage near you.

Reveal is a very good album. I recommend it. For some reason people lost interest in R.E.M. after the highly successful Monster. My favorite R.E.M. album was recorded during the Monster tour - New Adventures in Hi-Fi. After Monster went quadruple platinum, Hi-Fi strangely failed to even go gold. They continue to make very good music, but nobody seems to be listening. Warner has lost a lot of money on their $80 million record contract, to be sure. U2 flopped at the same time as R.E.M., but they've bounced back already while R.E.M. has yet to do so. I don't get it.

I think I tuned out after they dropped the single "Losing My Religion" and that was about 5 years ago.

out of time was released in 1992. you've been asleep a long time!

so now that the hip-hop bible has made its more than solid recomendation

how will this rating compare to the others to come?

if Rollingstone says its a classic what are the implications? how about if they hate it?

regardless i still have even money that the Roots get the front story in the Arts&Lesiure section when the album finally drops

Ann Powers will come around

>Ann Powers will come around

i hope not.

Better her than Toure, though.

I wish all their music writing was done exclusively by Lyle Lovette. Then maybe I'd pick up a subscription.

Ooh, or Sage Francis.

No wait. Lee "I am the internet" Perry.

Alek

____________________________
LEFT side of the bedroom, fool!
What? What?

I thought the point of ?uest's initial post was that ratings and write-ups from The Source are more favorable to hiphoppers than those from other magazines.

Yo, the Fix is a dope ass joint. And I've never really been a fan of Scarface. But this album is truly up there. It really deserved the 5 it got.