>and how can you say redman and not mention meth, who i would
>easily put above both him and andre'....

Meth is nowhere near Red on a skills. Meth ain't done nothing fresh since his verse on Shadowboxin'. Since then he's verses have been an amalgamation of previous styles he's done. Overall his content is weak and he's done nothing to really elvolve lyrically. While some of the same could be said of Redman. He OFTEN come thru with some ish that makes me say, "Damn, that nigga still got it".

Red has shown a great level of technique from his styles, delivery and voice. As far as raw illness goes he one of thats that I gotta give credit to.

As far as Dre goes, I can't say that I'm a Dre afficianado. I like his skills and vernacular but I've never really been able to put my finger on him. Kast makes such drastic changes that I've never really been a hardcore fan of their work.