-i'm still staying w/ tariq as the best, but jay is up there. i think we get wrapped up in judging by looking at the big picture (like whole albums) as opposed to specifics. Jay's flow has always been beyond exceptable. and i don't care what anyone says, reas. doubt was like a cut or two away from being classic, and the first blueprint was. hands down. i would actually go as far as to say that he would be one of the few mc's to challenge thought (losing eventually because tariq would eat his ass up in a battle). but, the man has earned his respect to me, and he deserves to be mentioned in this topic. he should be a staple in any top 15. minimum....