>>dog,please...
>>
>>come with some uptempo shit, with a bassline o.k. ?
>
>thought@work was 110 bpms
>the seed was 115 bpms

O.k. T.A.W. was doper with the Beatles sample...THAT would've been a good look. Wait...was that a single? Y'all need a single that ROCKS...
hear me when I say drop the Thought/Dilla/Dice Raw joint as is...cats foam at the mouth whenever they hear it (not necessarily knowing who the hell it is either)

The Seed was better as Cody's song on Cody's album. It got you a lot of play, and a gang of new audience. But are you following through with that sound? No.

I'm saying give me this song with a "moving" bassline and not just some dumbed down piano loop and we're talking.

Like I said, you should've inverted the middle 8 loop to be the meat and potatoes of the song. Why? Cause it's got more shit to move to than that stiff ass piano loop. (read that part slowly 2 or 3 times)f

>i've done uptempo shit before.
>
>and what does speed have to do with a good effective song?

Effective song is what you want as a first single.
Remember when Prince clowned Wendy & Lisa for the Waterfalls video...

Y'all be coming with the Waterfalls video/song more often than not.
Mid-tempo joint that's locked down but generally kind of dull...
fuck tryna sound like a loop nigga ZIGGABOO MODELISTE that shit. OPEN THE HIGH-HAT 30 times in one song.
Y'all ish be kinda like leggos.

>the fastest song on the top 100 is 100bpms ("tell me when to
>go") the rest are sitting somewhere between 80-90 bpms.
>
>im not saying "im following the marketplace" but if your
>answer is "we would like this if you just went faster like the
>other faster things out" then i would have to bring up the
>point that most of the shit out today that is "success" is
>waaaaaaaaay under this son bpm wise.

Not what I'm saying at all Ahmir.
You've got a band. Not many hip-hop groups in the top 10,20 or otherwise have a band.
You need to show that band ROCKING THE CROWD w/ a song with MAD CRAZY ENERGY AS YOUR DEBUT SINGLE FOR DEF JAM.

The crowd wants to identify with that BAND...
slow or fast...whatever, come with some "KING OF ROCK" shit or a "SUCKER MC's". You thinking too hard coming with that mid-tempo again.

Play a old '73 soul train dance line video with the sound off...you're first single should sync up to whatever those free ass negroes were getting buck too...

After you cats did "RAW" at the VH-1 Honors...everyone who saw that clip was like "I WANT MORE ROOTS LIKE THAT!!!!"

this ain't that, THAT will cut through all the top 20,10 shit, this will not (sorry charlie, I'll put money on it)

If the RockSteady Breakers can't fuck with it...don't put it out as a first single. Feel me?

folks see 6 niggas in the picture and hear 3 on the record.

Booo!
>
>I talked to a straight hip-hop dummy who summed the Roots up
>>perfectly, and I quote:
>>
>>"These guys stuff is all mid-tempo, it's not soft, but it's
>>more like wallpaper,nothing ever jumps out, the beats are
>>COOL, the rhymes are COOL...but it's usually pretty flat"
>
>
>i did the "jump out" record called phrenology. again just
>because you got fast bpms does that mean i can just discount
>the other elements that make a song a success?

phrenology was o.k., I'm not asking for "phrenology" though.
I'm asking for "She Watch Channel Zero", ain't no "She Watch Channel Zero's" on Phrenology,player. Overstand what I'm saying.
>
>
>>I feel that that dummy spoke for once with some serious
>>insight.
>>He's right.
>>Y'all play it a little too safe (BPM/Dynamic wise).
>>You get a lil' crazy and it's like Scooby ate too many pot
>>brownies (Water)
>
>
>well...again. the fact that i am a root within itself is the
>risk. this is the tom hanks/allen iverson in his 9th year
>reaction. hanks is a master and after phila/big/gump/road
>to/ryan/toy/seattle/cast away---i mean after awhile a critic
>said that hanks is so good in his work that to praise him
>becomes cliched.

You're best work is with Dilla, and it's not "Roots" albums.
Seriously.

>now i aint saying everything i touch turns to gold. but you
>also can't say that this song ranks with the filler from the
>Ghetto Superstar album either. and compared to the shit you
>dealing with now? i find it really some curious shit that im
>getting picked on over this.

I'm not picking, I just want a banging ass remix with a bass line and some funky hi-hats, and a guitar and some percussion.
the rhyme is cold, but it's wearing the wrong threads in my opinion.
>
>>Now I'm really not trying to crack, cuz you posed the
>>question.
>>
>>I remember when Late Registration came out, my first
>reaction
>>to "Crack Music" was I would love it if "the Roots" sounded
>>like this (as a band...in a room with a mic) on a track.
>>
>>This joint sounds like you and Kamal collaborated two
>>individual pieces into a beat. Where's Hub? Where's
>Knuckles?,
>>Where's Capt. Kirk?
>
>
>so the idea of the roots fulfilling your fantasy is better
>than the idea of the roots making a good song?

damn...you just mind melded with my wifes debating rational.
NO! OVERSTAND!
"YOU JUST SIGNED TO DEF JAM YOU'RE FIRST SINGLE SOUNDS LIKE ___________"

sure,expectations can get high after reading liner note after liner note detailing the battles with Geffen/MCA/Geffen...but now you've gone and made a record that could've been on Illadelph or T.T.P.
as I said...the vocals/lyrics are tight...but y'all ain't light no fireworks in my opinion.

Of course it bangs in your whip.

I tried to bang it in mine...and it was just "AIIGHT"

>the roots ain't made no striped down hip hop since "clones"--i
>mean need i make a list of "Stripped Down" hip hop? if you a
>"head" then you questioning why i made a stripped down jawn
>confuses me. that's like me asking the bomb squad circa 87 why
>"dont believe the hype" was slower than "rebel"/"noize" and
>with half the samples. i mean it aint the end of the world if
>mofos sit one out right? this is just a piano/drum song.
>
>something we NEVER done before.

dog, if you gonna strip it down. STRIP IT DOWN. First Priority sounded stripped down, BDP "POETRY" sounds stripped down. This sounds like y'all recorded it in 3 studios on 4 coasts.

yeah...make that list.

Follow the Leader was stripped down, but mastered so terribly you can't tell.

This is nowhere near Follow the Leader.

Shit...I wish y'all would bring some "don't believe the hype" or "rebel/noize" type shit. Hear me...I WISH!!!
Not this bassless,1/2 a RZA stuff.

How much would it cost to do a bring the noize/don't believe the hype jam to your liking?

do you have anything like that instore?

Again...don't sleep on that Thought/Dilla track. That shit is a crackhouse on FIRE.

>
>>If it's gonna be like that...just let Thought shine over the
>>Dilla beat. That has a bassline, a dope beat, and is
>UPTEMPO.
>>
>>and I'm not trying to rake you over the coals,player.
>>
>>It seems you're trying to please more than one master.
>
>
>no...i'm only trying to please myself.
>you bring that subject up again like we aint never used a
>"bassline", or the drums aint knocking (if these drums dont
>knock to you i question the system you listening on.
>and ive done shit at high speed, and ive done shit at slow
>speed.

by all means DO YOU,kid. I got nothing but respect for you and your work...

but yeah...give me some memorable "Roots" basslines, not them whole note stunners.

>
>>If you gotta do radio...blow radio away. This track ain't
>>gonna blow radio away. This is gone Ghostface and not even
>be
>>on the radar by the time the album drops.
>
>
>
>what the hell yall smoking? this sounds like the "radio"
>attempt cause we got a girl singing the hook? the reason why
>SHE singing it cause if i sing it the windows will shatter!
>lol....oh god yall got this SO WRONG....

for one chill w/ the girl on the hook joints.

>i am a DJ
>this is 2006.

You're serrato crazy,dog. You're giving "dummy nation" a shorter attention span with all of that instant gratification to go with their red bull and vodka.

>if you gonna go radio--you need to follow in the marketplace.
>this hip hop im tryna keep alive for yall mofos is all but
>DEAD in the eyes of radio.

and this track is just as confusing as them free throws the Fugees put up.

>this does NOT sound like the cousin of "the whisper song" or
>remotely remind you of it!!!!!
>is "lean with it ,rock with it" the song you thought we were
>doing?
>what about that chamillionare joint "ridin" that what you
>thought we thought we was doin?
>or "oh i think they like me"? that gotta be it
>or "snap your fingers"?
>or that din da da ying yang song?
>
>matter of fact...lets go to billboard:
>
>ti-what you know
>chamillionare-ridin
>yung joc-its goin down
>dem franchise boyz-lean with it, rock with it
>bubba sparks-ms new booty
>lil jon-snap your fingers
>field mob-so what
>50 cent-best friend
>
>
>what song was we tryna approximate? the whole top 100 looks
>like this list. oh please don't pat yourself on the back for
>this one.

this sounds like "Don't Say Nothing" been reading the paper for 2 years.

I'm sorry you're in the same business as Dem Franchise Boys, you will have a more lasting legacy than those guys...will you be talking about "Roots" albums? Hmmm...I don't know, prolly not.
>
>>I ain't saying you gotta go club single, but y'all do too
>many
>>tracks for the "bitches" (that's that mid-tempo shit
>>again)...I consider it the "Apple Martini Movement".
>
>
>wow. a protest song about the state of the world executed in a
>way that is light years away from what anybody is doing today
>and you just dismiss this as us having drunk bitches in mind.

dog,you more sensitive than Arnold Drummond on the bedwetting ep of Different Strokes.

You stupid for trying to sneak a mid-tempo protest song on the radio with all that shit you listed in the top whatever.

The girl on the hook will pull in the bitches and you know it,son.
C'mon...
C'mon...
Nigga C'mon!

dummy's will say, "Oooh, it's like "you got me" and "don't say nuthin"

C'mon dude.

>>If y'all niggas ain't got nothing that sounds like a BAND
>>freaking the "jungle boogie" sample on some Bomb
>Squad/Dilla
>>ish with Thought ripping it...then fuck it...you gonna be
>>grumblin' about Gnarls Barkley eating your dinner and Andre
>>and Big Boi wearing your shoes this time next year.
>
>
>
>>I wish you'd hear me though.
>
>
>eh...ok. i asked for the "argument"
>
>and this is it?
>
>
>yall really dont know what niggas is up against do you?

You trying to argue. I'm trying to suggest some shit as a fan who can bend your ear back. After the last 2 albums...y'all need to come with some Rage Against The Machine-Battle of Los Angeles shit.

As I've stated I'm feeling the vocals, but the track is lackluster.
I'm almost expecting Keith Murray to come on talking shit.

I can't wait to hear the rest.
considering y'all are up against Outkast,Fugees and Busta Rhymes on some "cats that have SOME credibility" tip... I can't wait.
And for once I refuse to read the fucking liner notes...
the songs will have to stand on there own...no anecdotes about the ghost of Jimi Hendrix programming motifs through infants.

it's not so bad,just jump off of an exploding speaker or something.