how did they end up joining The Roots? I don't think Knuckles adds much that any other percussionist couldn't add. he seems to do pretty rudimentary stuff.

He(Knuckles) does a pretty good job of playing several odd quest-produced noises at once.

he can dance like a buffoon.

what mo could you ask fo??

I don't know where they came from and don't really care. All I know i s that Cpt. Kirk blows Ben Kenney out of the water. Better singer and stage prescence too.

anyone could do what knuckles does. give me the spot ?uest and I'll rip it up for ya

(& knucks is from kingston, jamaica / capt. kirk from brooklyn?)

he's not bringing a deep groove to the table. he's only displaying chops up on stage, nothing deep or moving.

i dont think you understand the timing involves and the ability to be on the same page with him at all times to complete the drum grooves.

and especially as a drummer who's really listened to ?uest's rock-solid timing, i understand the timing required.

lol--he moved you enough to write about him though....

that right there tells me that you wouldn't even understand the language.

my requirements for being down aint based on how you can juggle, do the dishes, sing "ring around the rosey" and chew gum at once.

its the language:


"rell that shit"

i yell that shit at a moments notice and he knows the 4 things that must be done to make me happy in 2 seconds.

"rade me up"

that is a reference that requires him to play congos/bongos/hand sonic/triggers at once.

"do this son!"

that is my on the dime "break" on the 3 that you must be lightening quick to get

"dre it"

add 808 cymbals on the kick.

"ye it"

you gotta know what patch i want and in an instant.

1."jay dee"
2."dilla"
3."ummah"
4."slum"
5."puck it"
6."detroit"
7. "nuts"

a) skip the pattern once every 3 times
b) use the "we will rock you" patch clap
c) go to patch 48 use the claps
d) use shuffle and snaps
e) the 8 second 808 kick
f) play real fucked up on this part
g) shuffles on the 16


you're right.
on surface the shit aint all that remarkable.
but that is missing the point in this day and age of musicians
tryna show off they chops.
id rather play with someone i got chemistry with than the best percussionist in the world.
there is no job training for this gig.
however what makes frank PERFECT for this gig
is his willingness to sponge shit in.

you gonna tell me if i tell you to "rell it up" that you gonna know off the bat which pharrell reference im talking about?

this is the result of two cats playing with each other for about 7 years now.

studying shit together
trying new ideas
and laughing along the way.


i mean i get you tryna get in by any means (dissing the next man is soooo tired though)---but if you walk away not impressed. or at least "getting it"

--then...

well....that tells me you dont speak the language.


that's it for this post.

i gotta work!

peace.

and i'm tryn to cop the language but what i really wanted to know was how he landed the gig. and you answered me, an inquisitive mind. my teacher went on the road with max roach just because he had that same charisma you talk about with knuckles.

knuckles snaps, don't get me wrong. lol, maybe i should just stop here.

oh but i'd never diss the next person to get myself in, come on that shits been played too much. I'm eager just to kick with yall and ask questions. talked for awhile with the drummer for that opening act (with the DJ and guitar player). i asked him how you practiced getting that breakbeat sound, that dilla sound even. he said you'd probably say "listen to james brown." since i heard that I've been the reinvented clyde stubblefield.

because i envy his position. because ever since my teacher told me to LISTEN to your playing, to really dig deep into and find its sources, i've been a student of yours ever since. you can't shake it off, i bet you went through the same thing with Jay dee's, prince's, and prolly even stevie wonder's music. (shit i bet you went through the same shit with that mesmerizing flute part in Aretha franklin's "until you come back to me", right?) so give me some credit for 'understanding the language.' its not even about dissing on someone to get ahead of 'em.

^^this is the result of 2 cats playing wit each other for about 7 years now....^^

Lol....sorry.....but if he said it in person....he'd get paused....
If I said it.....I'd get paused.......
So ahmir.....

Pause......
{*^YnG'^ *TkR*}

That most def deserved a pause.

>All I know i s that Cpt. Kirk blows Ben Kenney out of the water.
>Better singer and stage prescence too.

i couldn't agree with you more.










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I don't like Knuckles cause when I was trying to get a ?quest-signed drumstick, he made me give the one I got to some chick behind me and when I asked him what do I get he gave me a nasty, sweaty towel. Which I promptly threw back at him. (YUCK!) :-p


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sometimes "simple" is all that is needed.

why a mofo gotta eat fire in order to get a thumbs up?

knucks is PERFECT for what we are doing.

call on sheila for tricks.

all i was asking was how knuckles and kirk made it into The Roots. yall ain't gotta get all uptight and shit. but hey, ?uest i started listening to you, i mean REALLY listening to you after my drum teacher told me "that cat's done his homework!" you weren't even blowing fire to get attention. same shit kenny clarke used to do... just holdin' it down.

and im not putting knuckles down, but he don't add a whole ton of groove to the rhythm section. now you may respond.

i dont think he's going to hire you.

hahaha....this kid just took a huge L.

This guy: "Hey Quest! Your percussionist sux! Lemme have his gig!"

15: "Sure! can you start Monday?"

LOL!

Peace,
Salim

a big L? its not a pissing contest, i was asking a question.

...where you said, "anyone could do what knuckles does. give me the spot ?uest and I'll rip it up for ya".

Inquisitive mind, my ass. More like shark-ass nigga behavior.

You dissed Knucks, and implied that you could do much better. Tearing down the next man on some "Crabs In a Barrel"-type ish. So then everybody in here proceeded to clown you, including ?uesto.

If you just wanted to know how Knucks and Cap'n got down, why didn't you just ask that, instead on getting in the dig on Knucks...which is what everybody justifiably focused on because you played yourself and showed your ass.

That's nobodies fault but your own. Don't get mad at me for what you did to yourself.

And I AM a player, mind you...keys and vibes. So miss me with all that "you must not play" bullshit.

P.S. did you stop to think that ?uest and Knucks are FRIENDS and not just bandmates????...you dissed his BOY. That's what you are missing here. It wasn't called for, and shows that you think that the primary importance in a bandmate is chops above musical friendship.

Good luck on getting that gig, okay player?

Peace,
Salim

you didnt have to trip. its all love. my b folks.

p.s. - lovely 'okay player' pun. i thought i was the only clever one in here. guess you showed me.

I like the Roots the way that they are, and you can't tell me that he doesn't add much when they are going back in forth gettin after shit on stage. Show is live, because everyone brings that shit together. Every piece of the puzzle is important to the songs man. You gotta listen, go to the live shows, it speaks for itself.

but yea you're right, each piece is def. worth having. i've only seem them live 5 times, and each time its been hard to hear knuckles during the actual song. from what i can gather, he makes the backbeat sound fatter and bigger.

but seem to miss my question, how did kirk and knuckles end up joining The Legendary?

Ha, I'm not gonna comment on what they "bring to the table," but I am curious on the history of it all, how did they end up joining The Roots?

Hey ?uest

Why was Knuckles absent from the recent Chicago show? Is he not touring this time around? I didn't notice him or hear him. We want Knuckles we want Knuckles!

when Ben left I was kinda like... NooOoo! ...Kirk slid in nicely... but... who is he? I think his last name is Hazel

I'd love to know this too. The man is an incredible guitaurist, singer, and live performer, great addition to the Roots.

miamiounia is second

he sets a groove and works well with ?uest (drum solos are proof of that)

knuckles is the man. i think he may have thrown a towel at me once but i kept that ish.

the minute I said I didn't care for Knuckles, all you "okay players" started dissin. if you wanna maintain hip hop as an art you cant have keep it black and white. yall some hating mofos though, i thought it was cool to post opinions. must have to have a superscripted 'ok' beside your name to have a legit opinion 'round here.

and for those who think I started this thread so I could cop Knuckles' gig? yall crazy. why would i try to "sneak" in through a post on this site? man i bet none of yall play shit. and thats the problem with hip hop, no respect for talent and passion.

but i dont think anyone can do what knuckles does.

..and i think there are a whole bunch of players in here.

<--- just trying to keep this post alive until ahmir decides to give us the inside scoop. lol

now you may respond.

Can I drive the bus??? I have a CDL.

Can I be a goffer or ... SOMETHING on the Asian leg? I wanna go to Japan!!!

I'm pretty useful. I can read. And stuff.

>>>Avitar - Romare Bearden's "Reclining Nude" c. 1977

>>>"Oil? Who said anything about oil? You cooking, bitch?" - Dave Chapelle as "Black Bush"

>>>"I ain't scared of no Al- Qaeda. I'm scared of Al- Kracker!" - Chris Rock

>>>"That is one of the most useless jobs in the world right now." - Branford Marsalis on A&Rs. From 'Before the Music Dies'

tunes the guitars and shit prior to the band taking the stage... lemme be that nigga..

Still lookin' for openings to be a groupie.