first off, let me apologize and completely remove my following statement if she is at all Native American.


but if she's not........what the hell was she thinking? first off, she made me realize all the things abou L.A. i do not like, the skinny ass barbie looking chicks, the ridiculously short clothes, and the cultural ignorance. The feathered headdress? If Black Thought rocked a show in a sombrero and poncho, or if Kelly Clarkson did the same with an African garment, I would fully expect people to bitch, and with a right, so Im bitching. Does she think that shit just looks cool? I really wanna hear if anyone else thought that shit was a big deal, because i felt she was the low point of both nights with no class and poor music, but the music shit is subject to opinion.

if you are native american and it offended you, i understand.

but i didnt think twice about it.

their music wasnt too bad either despite what a lot of people claimed it was. Would i have preffered someone lile Kane instead? fuck yeah, but its not like they were bad.

you can't really just brush off the whole headress thing, maybe im young and idealistic, but if she were to have picked something from a more represented minority (haha, ironic) shit woulda hit the fan. I just hate when artists have to broadcast their ignorance, i know everyone has their prejudices and ignorances (NOT saying she did it to disrespect purposefully) but leave that shit off the stage.

one in the same don't you?
If not... I invite you to read up on Native American culture...
and African culture. Often times people take offense at what they have no knowledge about.

related at several moments in history, but I was referring more to the present day situation of both minorities. Maybe I should just state the assumptions I had when I said what i said:

- J.Davey is not of any Native American descent
- She wore it merely for fashion and not for any deeper meanings
- She didn't think twice about it.

first... again...
read up on Native American history and then African history...

if you know anything you'll know Africans were here first...
not being able to tie two cultures in that have the same parallel themes is just... well... blind... huh blackfoot indian?

knowing that... well... don't mean to spell anything out for you but it's common sense... but gather your facts first...
put your ego down, grab a book.


Also do you know JDavey? If not how can you speak on what her intentions where... and if she is native American? You don't know... then maybe you shouldn't be so quick to speak on it.

...we can say the first human remains were found in Africa or wen can go all the way back to Pangaea (sp) times were all the continents were connected...where do we draw the line?

and that the first Natives (who eventually became the Native Americans you commonly know) were African
you sound like someone who has an opinion.. .but hasn't read up on it. It has little to do with my logic... it's history.
Of course you won't find this in white institutions cause they believe in seperating people of color... it's how they win.

The truth is.. everyone is African... however, let's not go there...
read up on Native American culture and African culture...
then get back at me.

2006, i dont play that. there's a long conversation in that and I really don't want to get into it on a message board, whatever, I guess I opened myself up for it, I shoulda known

I mean... you are being assumptive as hell don't ya think?

and i dont say that with any malice.

do you pull them up too?

prejudice in some cases. like i said, stuff like this (or what i thought was the J Davey example) happens all the time and its wack.

even bigger *sigh*

i mean, it happened to their ancestors too, right? since we're all related and everything.

LOL.

get off of it.

you sound absolutely ridiculous.

even if you gather the DNA evidence that shows that modern day native americans emigrated from west africa (and not east asia via the land bridge connecting the USSR to present day alaska), you still would have to make quite the leap to say that j. davey is part native american as a result of THAT... (edit: filthy says she is part native american probably due to her genealogy in the RECENT PAST), but as for that 'all natives americans are black' argument, have you ever heard of the concept of cousin once removed, twice removed, etc? that would make j davey a native american 200 times removed or so (absent having a native american ancestor in her recenet genealogy, which filthy informs us is the case).

edit: filthy says she is part native american because she can probably trace her genealogy to show a recent native american ancestor...all that 'all native americans are black b/c they descended from africans at some point in the distant past' stuff is hogwash. in that case, bush is black too.

but some say she is directly native american, so i could understand, but you are basically saying the idea i was trying to push. im glad someone got it.

Afro-Cubans working Africa and find out how incredibly culturally different they are. If Afro-Cubans find it hard to relate to Africans how the fuck do Amerindians relate to Africans?

Before you start ranting.

2nd..she was rocking a SICK Leroy Jenkins hoodie too!
I found that hoodie so NASTY!!!!! I was pissed when she toook it off!

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my shit, I probably would, but if its an informal online discussion...nah, I will risk being wrong.

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my mine gripe w/j*davey is that they didn't sing
my favorite songs (private parts & no more)
+ they weren't selling cds

haha I like those songs too
But I like what the did at the show too.

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thanks for making a post about it tho.

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Assuming, non-knowing yournativeamerica/african history, orevenjdavey history mufucka.


hahaha...

"first off, she made me realize all the things abou L.A. i do not
>like, the skinny ass barbie looking chicks, the ridiculously
>short clothes, and the cultural ignorance."

these are the words of someone that knows what
they are talking about. my sentiments exacty.

and you know what? i dont care if shes Native American or not,
that ish is offensive and she sucked horribly.

?

Skimpy Barbie outfits... sure that's a problem...
hating on her cause she has a nice shape...
that's a problem too...

exploitation of self... yeah that's a problem...
exploiting your ignorance in a post when you think youre making a point... that's a bigger problem.

At least Jdavey got paid... she wins.

im not hatin on her shape, i just find it unnatractive and played out.
her clothes, yeah, im hatin.
her music, yeah, im hatin.
her headress, shits cleared up, my bad, give me my lashes and ill be on my way.

'give me lashes I'm on my way'
hahaha...

lol.

The head dress thing you are blowing way out proportion. Anyway if you look closely she kind of has a epicanthal fold. So she might be Indian.

And as far as her outfit goes. I enjoyed seeing her ass cleavage in those booty shorts. If you got it flaunt it. Kept my eyes on her.

And her music is not my thing but I’m sure as her music progresses it will become more tolerable to others. But she didn’t suck, I was aighttttttt.

fucking love it... hypocritical mufuckas boy.
let the bitch get naked.
shit.
hate.
that's just hate.

I like the song...
it was the best prince impersonation on record...

APPARENTLY, i cant knock it on that level. i can say though, that that shit looked WACK AS HELL.

I hear you... can't get in between a woman and fashion.
*steps back*
lol

I mean... they are from LA
lol...

still didnt like the music.

and no worries... let's just light that L and pass it around...
that's how we build.

vaguely go-go's, oozing Valley-Girl/high class L.A. shit. theres mos def an audience for that, but its definetly not me.

Explain it to me. Outkast faced the same criticism when they had a native American motiff during the grammys. I like to hear a really good explanation as to why wearing native american garb could be considered offensive, while wearing, for example, Kimonos(sp) would not be (or is that offensive as well)?
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Reality check: according to the 2000 census, there were more than 31,000 black physicians and surgeons, 33,000 black lawyers. There are about 1,400 black athletes playing professional basketball, football and baseball combined.

its disrespectful. If someone rocked a show in an Aztec headress, or a poncho and sombrero (not that the last two are important, but they border on cultural minstrelsy when someone else wears them) I would be offended. Mind you, im not a feelin-catching bookworm or nothing, but i recognize certain lines that should not get crossed, but do alot in todays media.

anything about the history of that culture...
Native Americans were black people... they have roots going all the way back to Africa... who taught you they were not black folks?
White racists who also taught you they were savages... killers... and the enemy...
damn... c'mon... we were making progress and then you use the word 'foreign'...
I haven't used that word in over 10 years.. .why? cause if you are of the earth... what's foreign about it? Nothing. Who uses that word? White elitists who could care less aobut anything other than themselves, money, and the O.C.

and I dont buy that the average Black person living in Los Angeles has any relevant cultural ties to Native American culture just by being of African descent. Just like if I have a son, who has a son, who has a son, who has a son, his last name will still be Reyes, but if he's born, raised and living completely in the U.S., he will not have the same ties to Mexican culture that i do.


I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT J DAVEY IN THE LAST POST, i was just letting the dude know the IDEA behind what i said. whew.

what I'm saying is...
African culture/Native culture have seriously deep rooted ties...
that's A)...

B)
I'm also saying please stop giving your opinions... and read up on it first... it just makes you look uninformed and loud. Which isn't the best combination.

What I'm also saying is in addition to being uninformed and loud, your being assumptive. If you know her history.. fine... but if you don't... well...

That being said

you don't know the African/Native American history...
you don't know JDavey's familytree history
yet you are offended. Hmmm. Something is wrong here... and all arrows are pointing at you. Pardon the pun.

i am aware of African-Native American connections in history, do i think they extend to present day? no. I very much think two cultures grew like branches to a place where they are very much their own today. Do i think the histories of cultures and races gives modern day people a pass to try an adopt certain symbols mindlessly like i THOUGHT was happening with J Davey (no one has actually proven that shes Native American, but i didnt have any proof she wasnt either, so...), nope. my bottom line: i know where i stand, i know what i know, this is a message board im not gonna have a works cited about my opinions, ill talk about them as much as i want in good taste. i think ive done that, if you don't, its cool, give your opinion.

and works with her means nothing to you.

Methinks you won't be happy until you see some sort of genetic character mapping that proves her ethnicity to a satisfactory level for you.

That means you have too much time on your hands. The woman is part Native American. Get over yourself. You wanted something to bitch about, cool. Talk about how you didn't like the music. The rest is extra

i said something about her ethnicity without stating any kind of source, you did the same. Can i not point it out? you then say you work with her, cool, you now made your point more valid. if someone says something i think itd be pretty asinine of anyone, me OR you, to believe it just like that. but im sorry, i should have known you meant that you knew her when all you said was that she was part Native American. my apologies, sheesh.

that's all I'm saying...

cause you know nothing of African/Native connections... they don't extend to modern day? Your saying this based on what? You have already said you don't know anything about that culture... yet you have an opinion on where it stands today? Really? How does that work again? Lol.

Sure it still extends today... it's blood, it's history... it's as involved as the people are...

and you were saying?

lets all read posts before we continue dissing, yes, even you ?uest.

Even though everyone was sitting and dissing them, I was feeling 'em for real. I might even cop the cd.

I don't know if she is or isn't Native American. I do know LA based songbird, Kim Hill has been rockin' a headdress for a while now. In fact unless youv'e been under a rock in the LA, everybody knows that. So is there a connection? Or are people running out of ways to express themselves.

I don't get it. I have seen J.Davey perform twice and they were horrible both times. Uncomfortable and offensive. I saw them perfom at a choclate city event, people were leaving during the perfomance. I then read a review about it which said it was a great show. Sometime the uber hip just get it wrong.

?uest has a beau, its not her.

were booing her due to the headdress. I kept hearing "She's dressed like an Indian. Get her off the stage!!!" This could of also been because they didn't like the music but anyway I kinda dug the performance.



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yo is the term 'indian' still acceptbile when describing native americans? somebody school me on this.

As they are not from India or the West Indies... remember... Columbus was a drunkard...

And these were your peoples? Sounds like they are the problem... not the performer.
Let me guess... they booed her while wearing Redskins jerseys and doing tomahawk chops? lol... wow... people are just... ignorant.

when she's that hot, shit like her music dont matter...

BINGO! And that is all we're talking about here. Ain't all "niggas" "indian"? Do people think that skinny people try to be skinny or that it's genetic? Hating on the girl cause of her frame is fucked up. How about her energy, courage, her ability to waltz across the stage in platforms and booty shorts with no booty (wink Jack) in front of THOUSANDS at Radio City!!! Everyone has a dream yawl. And she's rocking it.

And when will New Yorkers realize that a) Africans always show their ass: see every island in the Caribbean and Africa
AND LA has the weather to wear flip flops and asses out. That's all. Nothing more. Geography.

AND.....to see more of her ass and her wearing a Kimono in white face a la Geisha girl....
Black Thought Presents....June 20th at Little Temple. Los Angeles. 8pm. FREE. Musicians who like to Jam WANTED

July ... maybe she'll wear a kilt
August .... maybe a toga and a fig leaf
September....?????

you made your points too.

...than most folks in their entire being. And the Amsterdam show I saw was off the damn hook, even though the sound was ewww.

Nicolay

only gripe is they didn't do "Division of Joy" or "Camera Gangsta"

i hate that fat fuck

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Lets say she didnt have any 'native american' roots, y wud it be offensive? i've read your arguments but none of them come close to explaining y it wud be offensive...?

and the hater alarm in me went off when she first came on stage

.........

You are just a hater.

I thought the Roots attracted progressive minded people...
I was wrong.

posts like this! AY YI YI

PEOPLE CAN'T *ENJOY/APPRECIATE/TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH*...

MUSIC
A SHOW
ART
TALENT
CREATIVITY
MUSICIANS FASHION STYLE

NO MORE!?!?

and texting your college roomies while she performed?

oh.

*pouts uncontrollably*

as it seems like you were hinting, shits not at all connected. shit was fly....for a minute. i like to rock shit thats not all over the place, but thats neither here nor there.

.

Talking about the misappropriation of native american culture WHILE SPORTING A MOHAWK.

just stupid, man.

First off, I'm glad that The Roots collective has the balls to put J. Davey on and give them exposure that they would otherwise not get.

I can understand if you didn't dig the music, but it was executed flawlessly. Jack has a killer voice and even though she was singing intensly and with a loud tone there were no flat notes and there was no distortion in her singing voice. That was impressive off the top. Secondly, the band was rocking that shit. Sure it was on some Berlin meets Nona Hendrix vibe (I hadn't heard any of their shit before the show) but again, it was performed well and was high energy.

But to shit on her for her style and to say she was offensive and then to tie it into some L.A. hate is just fuckin stupid. Obviously, you're not old to remember LaBelle or Parliament/Funkadelic and the gear they used to rock...or even 80's icons like Berlin, Missing Persons, Grace Jones or Nona Hendryx on the solo tip. Wifey said to me while she was on, "they just ain't ready for this shit". But got damn it was 10 minutes...as much great shit that happened on that stage you're seriously reaching to make a hate post on an act you didn't like and you assumed was offensive without all the facts. Just say you didn't like the music, take a bathroom break like many people did and keep it moving.

i loved her...i been humming that 2nd song all week. I asked 100 people backstage " who the hell was that" and when I finally met her I just stood there with my mouth open. That girl is funky...she made a fan outta me.

was the reaction of the other performers backstage.
peers are diggin' it and the tours around the country and europe have had great responses.

we must be doing something right.


thanks skillz.

peep sig

say that's more than just 'nuh-huhs' and all that.

i still think my point is getting lost on SOME of y'all

i still don't care for the music much

but im glad shits gettin discussed.

even if she is NA
that ish looked so wack


all the comments hurled at sa-ra
need to be reserved for her wack ass

1. J*Davey is a group.
2. The research issue has been closed so I'll leave it.
3. If it ain't for you, it aint' for you, but they're music is not wack.
4. She ain't biting Kim Hill. I assumed it referenced her photo shoot in the last XLR8R magazine (XLR8R, right???).
5. Hate on.
6. Oh, and Macy Gray is rocking the Jack Davey mohawk.

1.i always forget that
2. yeah, kinda tired of it.
3. point taken, i still dont like it.
4. huh?
5. oh i will
6. freal?

>4. it was in URB

But I like homegirl.

Havent listened to much recorded shit tho.

Matt

I wasn't crazy about the music actually. As far as the fashion goes, yeah, I thought it was kinda corny, I mean I'm Chinese but I'm not gonna go gigging in a coolie hat. But whatever, evidently some people liked it, more power to them.

i actually like the recorded material better than the live renditions i saw when they opened for questlove's dj-ing down here in the district...i'm assuming they're working out the live versions...lookign forward to seeing them again...

Late Pass:

I'm glad this shit was resolved but, its gotta be said for artist, music, etc. in general

1)I dunno...you can't assume the relevance of what someone is suggesting in their songs, simply because it isn't apparent to you as an audience member. You assuming the headdress has no relevance, is just as bad if she were assuming certain ethnic stereotypes...just sayin'.

2) They gotta song called "Cowboys & Indians"...I'd advise you to give it a good listen. Namely, if you were at their Temple Bar show in L.A. last New Years, you'd note the singers political statement about xenophobia, the cultural war painting of "other ethnics" in modern day warfare, and extreme conservativism creeping into our society - and then draw the connection between Andrew Jackson and the whole "Cowboys & Indians" concept that people *still* grow up with on an innocent level as kids. Like I said, its not completely obvious and its not like they're going to break into a political statement clarifying, like they did at that show all the time...good thing about music like this is, you're expected to think for yourself. Because if they had started soapboxing on stage then the same cats that don't like the headress would prolly say they're too preachy - can't win with some folx.

Does, that make her a card carrying member of the Cherokee Nation? No - but I think it deserves a little more credit than that.

in honor of world cup, and to big up my fellow "skinny girl"

Now that 15 clarified that she is N.A?!

>first off, let me apologize and completely remove my
>following statement if she is at all Native American.

For the record I stayed standing when she performed simply because a. Jacks voice was great. b. I had never heard them before. and c. because she was having a real rockstar moment. Choice!

Hopefully she accepts your apology and we can all have that awkward silence moment when someone puts there foot wayyyy in their mouth.

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Oh and I forgot ... DO PANIC!

put down yo shovels.

J Davey is wack!

smh....

J. Davey sucked at that show. They or she, or whoever, had no business breaking up the flow of the show like that. I have been going to Roots concerts since 97', and the J. Davey break was the worst part of any show I have seen. Definitely killed my high (musical and otherwise).

I could care less if she was native american or not. Wack is wack. Her outfit was wack, her songs were wack, and everyone I was sitting near was praying for the next act to come out after the first song.

i mean assuming it offended you at first why would you feel better about it knowing she is american indian?

i thought she looked hot as heck c/o burb

And I'm not easily impressed.

J Davey was boring at RCMH.
i dont get why The Roots fuck with them, but whatever.