(no hate, serious discussion here)

listening to the song of Bilal on ?uestlove's myspace page I thinking that this was the best damn shit I heard Kamal play

but

i found out that wasnt Kamal on keys (damn!)

then i realized that Kamal doesn't bring much to the table for live shows are concerned

?uesto & Knuckles, Hub, Captain Kirk have incredible solos

Kamals hip hop 101 is nice and all, but it doesnt really fit into the roots setlist since it makes it redudant with covers (keys for the time for when they are not soloing are easily replaceable, so im not counting that)

but

he did killed it on the gilles peterson compliation double album

thats my $0.02

it dont' feel right is all him IMO


23 y/o: 50 & cube got beef with oprah?
me: yeah a few more rappers do too
23 y/o: i'm noticing that. why?
me: they saying she doesn't have enough rappers on her show
23 y/o: what the fuck? oprah ain't get to where she at today by fuckin with no rappers

1. hes played guitar?
2. dont feel right is all about the drums

>1. hes played guitar?
>

i've seen video of him playing guitar during their performance at woodstock 99

23 y/o: 50 & cube got beef with oprah?
me: yeah a few more rappers do too
23 y/o: i'm noticing that. why?
me: they saying she doesn't have enough rappers on her show
23 y/o: what the fuck? oprah ain't get to where she at today by fuckin with no rappers

23 y/o: 50 & cube got beef with oprah?
me: yeah a few more rappers do too
23 y/o: i'm noticing that. why?
me: they saying she doesn't have enough rappers on her show
23 y/o: what the fuck? oprah ain't get to where she at today by fuckin with no rappers

>1. hes played guitar?

http://www.therootslive.com/images/feature/num_1/segment/photos/tfa/photo_6_lg.jpg

http://www.therootslive.com/Roots_Woodstock99/09_Concerto_of_the_Desperado.mp3

23 y/o: 50 & cube got beef with oprah?
me: yeah a few more rappers do too
23 y/o: i'm noticing that. why?
me: they saying she doesn't have enough rappers on her show
23 y/o: what the fuck? oprah ain't get to where she at today by fuckin with no rappers

http://www.therootslive.com/Roots_Diego/roots_9-7-02_13.mp3

(no guitar though.. just some good ol klangsquad!)

(if it's the way i'm thinking)

I'd be interested in knowing how much he contributes to the group creatively. I mean obviously Black Thought and ?uestlove contribute a lot, but I'd be interested in knowing about Hub, Knuckles, Kirk and Kamal too. To be honest I'm not crazy about Hub's solos, although most of my friends love them. As far as Kamal's playing? I don't know, I'm not doubting his skill, but I haven't seen/heard anything that really impressed me. Though one of the nice things about The Roots is that they're not stringing solos back to back, constantly trying to impress you with their chops. Although, I did notice a lot of different keyboardists during the RCMH show, but it was hard to see, I was in the mezzanine and the back of the stage was dark most of the time so I didn't really see who was playing what.

shine on a song.

23 y/o: 50 & cube got beef with oprah?
me: yeah a few more rappers do too
23 y/o: i'm noticing that. why?
me: they saying she doesn't have enough rappers on her show
23 y/o: what the fuck? oprah ain't get to where she at today by fuckin with no rappers

maybe its not so much the roots as it is the genre or/and the industry

i mean gun and roses had a killer guitar solo in welcome to the jungle (i think it was that song)
but
the roots cant have a killer keyboard solo?

besides old school run dmc and the fatboys.. it's like hip hop started with records 4 or so counts played over and over. and with people's short attention spans u gotta put some words sung or rapped in there

imo, the roots should be showing off the capablities of the band in their albums. let members shine when it fits the song. show the fans that theres good reason for hip hop to have bands

hip hop. .....well hey i could go on but i lost my train of thought lol

23 y/o: 50 & cube got beef with oprah?
me: yeah a few more rappers do too
23 y/o: i'm noticing that. why?
me: they saying she doesn't have enough rappers on her show
23 y/o: what the fuck? oprah ain't get to where she at today by fuckin with no rappers

if we are setting the pace...
why is 58 coming with yet ANOTHER complaint?

i.e. he fucking killed it on gilles peterson. i havent said it yet but what highvolt posted was nice (adreline and woodstock guitar)

edit: also i have too much respect for the group and your work to be mister maxxx'ing all over here and not give good reasons for any of my arguments (this no dickriding, so allison dont brother)

Dude I feel you on some stuff but honestly thats like saying "yo fuck that dude john hes a fucker, dosn't deserve to live, but man he makes a really good chese burger."

I mean knuckles isn't always playing on every single song on record but when he plays he kills it. Kamal does the same fuckin thing damnit.

>Kamal does the same
>fuckin thing damnit.

umm... Don't Feel Right, its not bad, but its not something you would go tell a friend that hey the keyboardist kills it in this song

yeah, maybe i worded this post wrong, i didnt mean for it to be an attack on Kamal

I feel you man, but you know what you like the song right? Thats whats important is that that song kicks. If that song rocks then Kamal did his part. I mean I'm a drummer and I'd like to see ?uest just shred it with the most complex grooves, but that just dosn't make a good song. I know its kinda a gay ass cliche thing to say but whats important is what musicians are not playing. Just because kamal dosn't paly some jaw dropping shit on tracks dosn't mean he isn't important to the group. I mean hiphop is based off samples and loops yeah? So I think the best thing Kamal can do alot of the time is play a loop of the same thing over and over again.

>I feel you man, but you know what you like the song right?

yeah, but then again when i made that post the controversy of the negative overshadowed the positive

>Thats whats important is that that song kicks. If that song
>rocks then Kamal did his part.

i disagree, but i see what your saying. look at trouble spirits reply in this

I mean I'm a drummer and I'd
>like to see ?uest just shred it with the most complex grooves,
>but that just dosn't make a good song. I know its kinda a gay
>ass cliche thing to say but whats important is what musicians
>are not playing. Just because kamal dosn't paly some jaw
>dropping shit on tracks dosn't mean he isn't important to the
>group.

yes, this is important. theres no doubt in my mind about that, or else the song would sound like an organized mess. being a jazz fan i have seen this first hand with alot of jam sessions. ?uestlove is a drummer that knows how to master the groove and when to freak shit

I mean hiphop is based off samples and loops yeah? So I
>think the best thing Kamal can do alot of the time is play a
>loop of the same thing over and over again.

this i disagree on, see reply #21. its the shit like the gilles peterson sessions that blows me away. thats what the album should be like when you have a fully capable band with you. i mean look at that one session of break you off with the middle eastern drums in the begining (i dunno the name of the drums exactly)

this is it:
http://therootslive.com/Roots_6Music/03_Break_You_Off.mp3

listening to ish like ttp and this dont feel right single, bugs me when theres ish like these sessions (yeah different albums i know, but im just making a point). that guitar towards the end is great.

I dig but I've always felt like you've wanted the roots to be this jam band rocking their albums like they rock live shows. The roots are a hiphop group, they are just manifesting that through a live band they are playing hiphop. Sorry if my points are shitty its i need to crash.

nothing wrong with that, i dont think theres enough artists out there who master that

the game has went (roughly) from turntables, to beat box machines, to computers, and of course there are mixes of all the above; and every one of those methods of music production have been used for their potential, why not use the potential of a live band?

ill bet that someone once thought that hip hop HAD to be made with only 2 turntables and a mic, but thinking like that is like saying that you can only play jazz with a saxophone

I think the roots are using the aspect of the live band to the maximum. I mean 99.9 percent of ppl at roots shows are there to see the roots. Not to see ?uestlove play some mind boggeling syncopation or hub doing some rediculous bass solo or hear kamal exercise his skill at piano. Those are highlights of the show but the bulk of the show is the roots playing so tight and so spot on that you don't think about the individual musician but the band as a whole and they do that perfectly. I can totally see what your saying but I think Kamal plays for the song, out of everyone in the band i think him and hub are the ones that play for the song the most. I enjoy having to search for a musician in a peice of music. I love it when they really just lay in and it starts to blend together. Thats why I think star is one of ?uestloves strongest peices, he really blended into that song to the point where i couldn't hear what was hub and what was ?uest. I think if you took kamal out of the picture you'd see how important he is to the bands dynamic.

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OOOOH baby, please don't leeeaave. Because i need your positivaaatyyy.

true that hip hop music often exhibits a simple loop, that's repeated throughout the song,
but with a hip hop band one has the capability to be creative and exhibit interesting forms of the instrumentation aspect of it. see the foundation (jon jon brings some badass bassline) and crown city rockers. with the roots stuff too you hear the solos (kamal at the end of break you off, the guitar at the end of what they do, melting pot etc.). it's not impossible to be non-repetative with hip hop music. i think it gets boxed into something that can't stick around that simple loop.

one min y'all are talking shit about each member and then you KISS THEIR ASS the following week or in the same post..."he did killed it on the gilles peterson compliation double album"

make up your mind either you like the group or you don't


>(no hate, serious discussion here)

how is this a serious discussion ?
dude has been in the group for a grip and now you want to ask "Is Kamal really worth anything to The Roots anymore?"

spare us


>then i realized that Kamal doesn't bring much to the table for live shows are concerned

how so ?

>?uesto & Knuckles, Hub, Captain Kirk have incredible solos

as does Kamal

>thats my $0.02

nah, that's just your dumbass talking shit behind a computer screen

just keep coppin' their records playa...

alli out.

this is a discussion about Kamal's strengths and flaws and his value to the roots. no complaining or dickriding, just evaluating (i prolly spelled that wrong) Kamal for a second.

but really do you have to take my words out of content?

>this is a discussion about Kamal's strengths and flaws and his value to the roots. no complaining or dickriding, just evaluating (i prolly spelled that wrong) Kamal for a second.

did you really type "value to the roots"

i just don't know what to say to that petty ass remark.


>but really do you have to take my words out of content?

don't pull that card hun...this isn't the first time you have this type of post...like HV said your're high

my date awaits!

have a good night :)

>>this is a discussion about Kamal's strengths and flaws and
>his value to the roots. no complaining or dickriding, just
>evaluating (i prolly spelled that wrong) Kamal for a second.
>
>did you really type "value to the roots"
>
>omfgawd!
>
>i just don't know what to say to that petty ass remark.

whats wrong with that statement? yeah im not good at grammar but this is a messageboard not an essay


>
>>but really do you have to take my words out of content?
>
>don't pull that card hun...
>
>


thats what you did

nevermind...

out.

aight ?

damn, i let you have it in my first reply...its the taurus in me ;)

How can you measure his value to the band if you're not in the band and arn't involved in thier composition process at all? you don't know what goes on how can you measure this.

theres a question mark in the subject title for a reason

im not saying his completely useless or dead weight

But On all those things you put the question mark for you're implying the negative is the correct answer.

you can disagree but don't act like he just said kamal should die.

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jy
1974-2006

peace & love

stop with the "i'll save him" posts

58 doesn't need captinsaveaho

sheesh

he came up with some of the group's best beats.

The Next Movement
100% Dundee

both are arguably candidates for best Roots beats.

amen

>The Next Movement
>100% Dundee
>
>both are arguably candidates for best Roots beats.

I'm pretty sure I read in liner notes somewhere that most beats over the years that were keys driven were either produced by scott storch or he played keys on those songs.

from what i remember the next movement was one of those songs... even when kamal was in the group i think scott did most of the key parts.

(biter)

lol

impala lost
kamal won
end of story.

kamal has his own solo (not hiphop101) and its usually sick
the keys are in every song, and who isn't replaceable?
im a fan of kamal, i think hes sick on the keys
and hes been with the band for many years, why cut him loose?

that was a 6 hour event!

only I am crazy enough to play all 6 hours!

i alternated because bilal and his keyboard player (the great robert glasper) have a chemistry.

(understand that the only thing I have heard (in good quality) of RCMH is whats on the myspace)

RCMH just made me sparked a thought

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although sometimes q's best posts are in response to something lame

though the hideyaface post in the lesson is beyond the pale

on MTV...

http://www.mtv.com/onair/dyn/the_shop/personality.jhtml?personalityId=5720

Don't front with that NO hate BS.

Facts:
There are better keyboard players than Kamal.
There are better drummers than Questlove.
There are better bass players than HUB.
There are better guitarists than Kirk or Martin.

That is *not* what make The Roots the organic hip-hop unit we love.

Want to hear different keys? Get The Philadelphia Experiment. Another Bass Player? Get Jamaaladen Tacuma's Groove 2000.

But, stop with the hate.

-Tom

Kamal doesn't go to your message board and criticize the way you suck dick for a living.

>There are better keyboard players than Kamal.

>That is *not* what make The Roots the organic hip-hop unit we
>love.

someone finally said it

EDIT.. nothing wrong with casual "evaluating", but what people do is take it too far and can't let the music be what it is.

well said

i.e scott storch, ben kennedy, malik b, etc.

correct me if im wrong, but currently only 2 orginal members (?uest and BT) is still in the band

the roots mos def do not = phillly experiment with different keys, yes same drummer but different music

what im really asking is what is Kamals contribution to the roots and his value; that discussion will determine if the roots will still be the roots with out kamal. since we all know that the roots will not be the same without ?uest, but what about kamal?

chemistry between the band members is important, dont get me wrong (check out Supergroup and see (so far) great musicans fail miserablely, maybe because its a lack of chemistry). thats probably what made the keys of Robert G. so great on that song with Bilal (according to ?uest).

there is no hate, and actucally Kamal's hip hop 101 used to make me inspired to get a motif 6 and start playing the keys (i just dont have the money for it right now)

anyhow kamal did eventfully replaced scott storch. so its not like the roots cant be the roots if a keyboard player got replaced (thats not what im asking, but instead what is Kamal's contribution)

p.s. grow up just because somebody disagreed with you and start callin people names

First off The Roots are Black Thought and Questlove. If they both aren't in it, then it's not THE Roots.

Let's see-- you question a person’s WORTH on their own fucking message board and then get vexed when everyone isn't in your corner?

You hear a solo from a GUEST ARTIST and you question whether the guy who has been ON THE ROAD for 200+ days a year for the past 10 years is still a valuable asset to arguably the world's greatest hip-hop BAND??

You’re like Eddie Murphy, you've eaten so many Ritz Crackers you think you're now eating Saltines.

Another quote from you : "then i realized that Kamal doesn't bring much to the table for live shows are concerned"

Yes he does. If you doesn’t get YOUR dick hard every time then , I'd say it's you with the problem.

The shitty post you started this off with, and I quote, "Is Kamal really worth anything to The Roots anymore?"

The question I have , is you with 12,000+ posts are worth being on this board?

Check yourself,
Tom

P.S. Anytime you start something off with "(no hate, serious discussion here)" it's saying shit like 'Not to be racist, BUT...." and then getting mad when people say you have a sick-mind-of-Mencia.

P.P.S "p.s. grow up just because somebody disagreed with you and start callin people names" <-Stuckey Mack

>First off The Roots are Black Thought and Questlove. If they
>both aren't in it, then it's not THE Roots.

didnt i say that? but what if black thought left, wouldnt it be then a collective of musicans lead by ?uestlove (mmm... post idea)

>Let's see-- you question a person’s WORTH on their own fucking
>message board and then get vexed when everyone isn't in your
>corner?

i never expected everyone to be in my corner (artist has too many dickriders to expect that), and i was only expecting a few to really want to seriously discuss i.e lazyboi and HV, they both disagree, but they dont disagree in a childish manner

>You hear a solo from a GUEST ARTIST and you question whether
>the guy who has been ON THE ROAD for 200+ days a year for the
>past 10 years is still a valuable asset to arguably the
>world's greatest hip-hop BAND??

people overtime can become dead weight, im not saying thats what Kamal is, but really im hoping for just to discuss kamal a little bit. another poster was interested in.

also i was talking about the live show, as far as song composition goes, i dunno, which is a factor that brings me to ask this question.

>You’re like Eddie Murphy, you've eaten so many Ritz Crackers
>you think you're now eating Saltines.
>
>Another quote from you : "then i realized that Kamal doesn't
>bring much to the table for live shows are concerned"
>
>Yes he is. If you doesn’t get YOUR dick hard every time then
>
>The shitty post you started this off with, and I quote, "Is
>Kamal really worth anything to The Roots anymore?"

im just saying that Kamal style of soloing doesnt fit into the style of the roots setlist. How many covers do you really need in a show? His style of soloing make the show redundant of covers, thats why imo, hes not bringing much to the table anymore.


>P.S. Anytime you start something off with "(no hate, serious
>discussion here)" it's saying shit like 'Not to be racist,
>BUT...." and then getting mad when people say you have a
>sick-mind-of-Mencia.

>P.P.S "p.s. grow up just because somebody disagreed with you
>and start callin people names" <-Stuckey Mack
>

that "no hate.... discussion here" was more for of disclaimer for saying that im not blindly hating on kamal, but im just evaluating his merits in an unbiased way. if you continue on all childish im just going to take your agrument as void and immature

as far for me having 12k+ post, if you were struck at a university from 11am to 8pm with no where to go and only a few classes inbetween and also post on other boards heres and also have a job at a bar where you do nothing for hours except to "watch" the bathroom you would rank up a high post count too. as far this "58" login goes, i been meaning to switch to this username for a while (ask HV, he might remember the story)

> but what if black thought left, wouldnt it
>be then a collective of musicans lead by ?uestlove

?uestlove isn't the front man but I'd say he is leader of the band now.

but then as i hinted thats another post that ill save for when i have another lazy day like today

I'll save my comments on that for your lazy day as well.

You are the reason why a lot of the post here are no good.

1)You are an asshole. Example: Is kamal really worth anything to The Roots.
a)Why question someone's worth? I question YOUR worth.
b)What the fuck do you know about The Roots? Nothing? neitehr do I. The Roots is a band that we are not in.

2)You are an asshole. Example "then i realized that Kamal doesn't bring much to the table for live shows are concerned"
a)Again, you are stating your opinion as fact

Here's how You SHOULD have posted this:
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Subject: Kamal is not making my pussy wet

(I'm not questioning his man hood, this is a SERIOUS issue.)

Stalking Ahmir on Myspace I heard a song that I liked and thought 'I don't know shit about this song and I didn't bother to read the blog.
I was thinking that this was the best damn shit I heard Kamal play. But Then I realized that Kamal wasn't playing it and I thought to myself "Fuck Kamal, he's a douchebag. Klanging on the keys and not playing Peter and The Wolf like Hub does."

then i realized that Kamal doesn't bring much to the table for live shows are concerned
Mind you, not as far as I'm concerned but as if God wrote it down and sealed it in a Scroll. I believe this as much as Donald Rumsfield believed it when he said that weapons of mass desturction were "... in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

?uesto & Knuckles, Hub, Captain Kirk make my middle fill with pudding as if I was Duncan Hines, but Kamal doesn't do the shit *I* expect him to do. And as someone who is bored enought to post an avergae of 20 messages a day for the last 575 day, I know what I'm talking about.

And to show that I don't like him live much I have to say 'he did killed it on the gilles peterson compliation double album' which was live.

thats my $0.00

Now I'm off to go post on Vatican.org to make sure that The Holy Ghost knows I know that he ain't shit. Sure, he gave the Bar-Kays a big hit, but what has he done for me lately??

19 more messages to go today.

signed,
Epstein's Mother.
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Remember when I did shit like this a lot in 1999??

I'm my own dickrider.

i love the roots' music, but kamal is always boring live. sure it's in my opinion, but when you constantly see people agree, it becomes more of a fact. now, i think kamal is very much an integral part of the roots, so i disagree with the original poster there, but the live part is on the point.

quest
black thought
hub
kamal

everyone else are guests with them.


if you want to interchange, knucks/kirk/ben kenney, thats understandbale since they are the 5th beatle as quest says.

but for you to say kamal can be replaced when he is a TRUE root is a bit uncalled for.

again im NOT saying he needs to be replaced, but asking is what does he bring to the table for the roots overall

>what does he bring to the table for the roots overall

he brings piano... chords... melody...


you should stop looking at his individual contributions, and try to picture what the roots would sound like without him.

can other people play the keys well?

yes.

but would they share the artistic qualities to compose melodies and beats (Watchdog) like he does?

i dunno bout that. (see reply 19)


lets be honest, the real reason you made this post is because you really want to see the roots show off their capabilities as a band (not a hip hop group) on a studio album.
Im all for that as well, but to make arguements against Kamal because of this just are not valid.

>lets be honest, the real reason you made this post is because
>you really want to see the roots show off their capabilities
>as a band (not a hip hop group) on a studio album.
>Im all for that as well, but to make arguements against Kamal
>because of this just are not valid.

i dont understand on how making arguments against Kamal would accomplish that, but yeah that is the ideal roots album i would like to hear (i was hoping game theory to be that album, but who knows).

but its not hearing enough of kamal is what brings this post and a not knowing of whatelse he might bring (beats, guitar, melodies, the way the roots play, i didnt think of that). maybe its just me, but post phrenology roots, the keys have sorta been "comping" the band, comping is not exactly the word im looking for but i think you get the idea.

But the playing changes from DYWM to Illadelph which is the transtion from Storch to Kamal which I belive today they retain more of the Illadelph style than the DYWM style even though thier sound almost never stays the same. Like I said not being in the band or involved with the composition process The Roots classics we know and love today might not exist if it wern't for Kamal's being in the band. The Roots might also become a completly diffrent kind of band if he were to leave.

anyhow thats a good point, ill come back later after another listen to those to albums to see if ill agree with you on that

Who is Ben Kennedy????? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! he run for the office yet?

c-c-c-c-c-c-c-o sign

I'm 95% certain it was Dice Raw who came up with the piano melody for "Don't Feel Right", not Kamal...

Whether or not it's Kamal playing it on the studio version is anybody's guess until we have the liner notes, or ?uesto tells us.

And for the record, I love how the live version of "Don't Feel Right" (when they're NOT playing it with the NORE beat like they've been doing recently) emphasizes the piano melody (plays it, like, HARDER) on the last bar of every verse and chorus. It kind of dissapointed me that the studio version didn't do that.

It's a switchup of the piano melody that would have made the studio version slightly less repetative.

With that being said though, I adore "Don't Feel Right" and I'm hoping and praying the Def Jam machine can get it working on the video and radio circuit...

>It's a switchup of the piano melody that would have made the
>studio version slightly less repetative.

especially with this. the whole post is dope, but this really hit me.

damn, you should have recorded that ish before. HV is right

@}-,-`-

He looks determined without being ruthless
Something heroic in this man, there's a courage about him
Doesn't look like a killer
Comes across so calm, acts like he has a dream
Full of passion

Anticipating Game Theory by The Roots~

http://www.therootslive.com/images/feature/num_1/segment/photos/tfa/photo_6_lg.jpg

its funny kind of cause the dood is repping the okayplayer, while on the boards he gets shat on.

i'm not going to say "fuck you hater" like everyone else on this post (and i'm a taurus too, for what it's worth, allison... don't pull THAT card) but kamal has shown a great capability for being creative in the group. he unfortunately doesn't always get as much time as i'd like to hear him shine or have prominent keyboard parts, but the roots clearly know what they're doing and when kamal gets some limelight i think he does good with it (indeed HV, with the 100% dundee and next movement).

plus i think a keyboard player is extremely beneficial to the roots' sound and i wouldn't be such a big fan if it weren't for what the rhodes have brought to the table all these years, whether it's kamal or storch.

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jy
1974-2006

peace & love

he had it coming....

but he is nice on dont feel right

at least the album version that is.

is there any way to get the Mp3s posted into my itunes?? that version of adrenaline is so dope, shows how bad ass kamal is on the keys...

the answer is not to eliminate him from the group, the answer is to incorporate him into more material. just because he might be underused doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability.

I was *starting* to think that recenty.
after seeing the Louisville show, and seeing everyone else do incredible solos, kamal let it down to much.. (although he does always rip on Melting Pot)
but Kamal stepped it up in Nashville 3 weeks later.. he's added a little more virtuosity into his solo recently, instead of just the covers and the normal shit he does..
in conclusion, he's a very important part of the group... sure they could find a *better* keyboardist... but any band could really (except Medeski, Martin, & Wood).

you know all that shit you hum along too?

all those melodies that get stuck in your head?

kamal.

(I know quest ain't writing all those keyboard parts/melodies)...

man, it's always been fuckin' sad to me that all people see is the frontman (person/whatever), when in fact they are only doing one share of the larger, collective work. to me the best part about The Roots is the music. black music is in a sorry ass state and The Roots are one of the last vestige's of true unabridged soul left, next to D and a couple of others.

honestly, I don't even really listen to BT that much. for me, it's a musical journey and K (and hub) is a huge part of that.

so, move along then, there's nothing to see here.

(....that don't even need to be answered)

if yall wondering, i think little higher of kamal now