Just a little message from my homie Broke at the University of Washington.<P>First and foremost, Peace and Love to Rahzel The Godfather of Noize this doesn't apply to you(Thanks for treating me with respect at the Elements of HipHop tour in Vancouver 97 w/Common). Unlike every single person who seems to post on your website and rides your nuts. I come to post my frustration with your hypocracy(sp?) and arrogance. On numerous occasions you have completely shitted on the Pacific Northwest. Well that is where I reside and I take offense to that. This may not be entirely your fault, but you must take at the very least partial blame for this. The Roots have continually done shows in Seattle at the Showbox. This is a 21 & Over venue that serves alcohol. Now that's cool, I ain't mad at y'all for that. However, each and everytime you have come to Seattle you have either performed there, or done a no-show(ahmmm...Bumbershoot). If you guys are supposedly all for the preservation of the hiphop culture as you all so claim. Why is it you virtually ignore the hiphop youth. You all seem to forget that the youth is the future and present of hiphop. The youth have always dictated who deserves monolithic status. Right now despite what all your fanatics claim, you haven't proven to come remotely close to a Public Enemy. You don't show respect for all of the fans that support you. Shit, I have all your albums, but that don't mean I'm just gonna keep getting shitted on by all of you guys. I am not saying I am giving up on you guys yet. I will say that I know for a fact that heads in Seattle have come into ?uestlove about at least appearing and blowing down a few joints at an all-ages venue somehow. But Qwestchun has IGNORED these requests. Well I would hate to see you guys lose the support of thousands(Don't fool yourself, those Hippies/Grungers ain't true fans) of HIPHOP fans to some petty bullshit. I trust you guys will come to your senses and at least make an appearance at an all-ages location. My suggestion would be the University of Washington. Don't worry, by the way. I will email you ?uestlove and be sure you will read this message again if you don't. Until you guys show some respect to your fans, FUCK THE ROOTS.<BR>broke <BR>Seattle, WA USA - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 13:15:30 (CST)<P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

You sir should not ever be allowed to see a concert by the Roots. <P>I know if you said some shit like that to *me*, you'd be in for a beat-down.<P>I would suggest this post be deleted from the message board, for I find it IGNORANT to the EXTREME (like Vanilla Ice) and offensive.<P>I would further suggest you put on your Eddie Bauer jacket and go back to watching Romper Room.

You could at least back up your examples with some type of reasoning. <P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

I will intelligently respond to your personal beef. I know you love the roots. I am sure if Thought or Questionably for the Love asked you to jump you would say how high like Meth & Red. However make some sort of arguement besides the ignorance you just spewed.<P>War before Peace

n/m

Enough Already<P>King Nesta<P>"Only when lions have historians will hunters cease to he heroes." - African Proverb

I live in the NW too and I don't agree at all. The Roots have done a lot of shows here in Portland over the past 5 years, and as far as I know ALL of them have been at all-ages venues. In fact, they're playing the Roseland on the 22nd, and it will undoubtedly be an all-ages show. The problem may have more to do with businesses in Seattle trying to keep young people out of the clubs than anything with the Roots. Anyway, that post was uncalled for so let's please just let it die.<P>peace,<BR>murph

"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

the Seattle promoters are hating. You were wrong about the post being uncalled for. Why do you find it uncalled for? Is the purpose of this website to dickride the roots and not allow anybody who posts something remotely critical about the group? Tell me? Drop it? I think not. It is an important issue that needs to be addressed because the Roots are not the only group that have done this. They do however deserve partial responsibility because they ultimately make the final decision on "what they do"

I understand your frustrations my man, but lets think about this rationally shall we???<BR>The Roots, being that they roll with a crew as deep as MC Hammer did back in the day, and before this album, really didn't make doodly squat from record sells, make almost all their dough from touring the earth. Why would they purposely avoid seattle????? or avoid playing at all age venues in WA??? YOU CAN'T PLAY AT A VENUE UNLESS SOMEONE ASKS YOU TO. So go get all your frustrated buddies and go to the university of washington or some other place and lobby to get them to invite the roots to perform. That's like me bitching you out and call you a sissy ass sucker cuz you won't come to NYC and let me buy you dinner, even though I'm not willing to pay for your trip here. Doesn't make much sense does it??? <BR>Anyway, that's all. I understand your pain buddy, but just think about this whole thing a little bit more thoroughly.

I already emailed ?uest and invited him personally.<P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

We have made the contact before, but not a response...Questionably 4 Tha Love only responded to my post just now. We will see how the future works out. I stand by my post. You make some good points though. It is true that the Roots ain't making shit from their album sales. But they signed the dotted line. They have all the fan support in the world and name power to go the indie route through the internet like Public Enemy, Chuck D, and Poor Righteous Teachers have. Speaking of which, check out the new PRT cuts at www.rapstation.com They are off the hinges!

HEY DUMMY! Groups are represented by agencies, agencies book gigs, agencies contact promoters, then send info to tour managers (i.e me) or operation managers, (i.e Miyoshi) and we make the shit happen. People ask to go to Japan all the time but if it DON'T MAKE DOLLAS IT DON'T MAKE SENSE (WESTSIIIIIIIDE) DUH. I fyo had one clue as to anything you speak of . . . that's why I went UCLA, maybe the cold air has fucked with your brain, or maybe you're 19 and just coming into college and talking shit, I remember it well . . .use all of the words in your literature vocabulary book, try to showcase yourself as a literary whizkid . . . I got a fake I/D in college just b/c that's how you do it when you're a snot-faced kid. We all had to go through it. It doesn't mean you're shitted on it menas WE HAVE TO PAY FUCKING BILLS. Oh yeah, but you're still riding the nuts of the financial aid office so you couldn't possibly know what it's like . . .oh yeha you have a job. Well b/c you have to work, don't you think the University is shitting on you? Or the world. You'e whack! You can't go, isn't there a curfew at your dorm or something??<BR>As fo the others, I know Bumpershoot was fucked up, trust me, I was there and DID NOT want to be. People fuck up, and I think they are allowed to. They ust have to deal with the consequence. HTis little piddly flea, I can't believe Quest is paying any attention to. Or any other muthafuckas who can't add. People don't make money from albums that go gold only sweetheart, mmmkay? I know it's difficult for y'all to understand. Just take the pacifier out of your mouth and try to listen for one minute.<BR>Flights cost about $600/person to go out there hotels roughly $100 -$200 depending on where you are . . .why am I explaining this to you??<BR>You're a dork.<BR>Tiny

For those words of bull-ish wisdom. If you haven't noticed what you've said has already been covered and gone over a million times in this discussion, they only thing you managed to contribute was mad ignorance to an already negative situation that people were trying to get over.<P>Now that you're done showing off, are you lookin' to get a mad pat on the back from ?uest for your show of love. Wow what i valiant effort. Come riding in here like a ghetto night on broke ass horse after the battle's done. Looks to me like the Seattle boys aren't the one's who need to pull the pacifiers out thier mouths. I suggest you do the same cause your wack ass is full of shit. <P><BR>Don't bother trying to ghet-to know me. If you know yourself and the role you play in, and the relationship you have with, the world, then we already know each other and introductions aren't necessary.

I can't figure you out...ya stick up for us one minute and then diss us the next. But's all good. I'm probably wrong. Maybe you just diss ignorance and stupidity. Which I hope, cuz that's all good in my book. Peace.<P>Respectfully,<P>Crossfaded<P>"If you can't laugh at yourself then you take yourself way too serious" -- Crossfaded

I'm defending your right to speak and yes you are correct i hate stupidity over all. So that is also why i'm not all that impressed with you guys in terms of continuing the stupidity. So this is not a case of me defending you against them, this is simply about me supporting intelligent thought and the right to air them. This Tiny..whatever guy didn't have an intelligent thing coming out of his mouth, so i'm not impressed with him either. <P>Peace<P>Don't bother trying to ghet-to know me. If you know yourself and the role you play in, and the relationship you have with, the world, then we already know each other and introductions aren't necessary.

y'all think that the worlds goal is to jock the Roots crew?? That's what y'all are here doing not me. No pat on the back necessary son, I have a job and degrees(s). I can always do for self. I can post as long as I want to whenever I want to as I have to deal with triflin' mofo's like yourself. I don't have the luxury of being on a computer all day everyday. Ya see, I work. People who are proactive rather than reactionary do that, you know, "work". Look it up if you don't know already.<BR>As for showing off? Honey please, I don't "need" to do anything but stay black and die. The need you feel to diss a group based on the 2 year old thing, and or b/c you thin one person can change the minds of a record label, booking agent, and the likes is ridiculous. Again, my post was telling you to know the system, not just running your mouth to hear yourself speak.<BR>"Ghet to know you" that's cute. what else did you get from your Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes?<BR>Tiny

Question: Is it possible for you to have or be part of a discusion with out attacking an individual personally? I'm just wondering. <P>Anywayz!<P>If YOU have a degree then i'm even more disappointed in the North American school system than i ever was before, since not only don't you know how to speak an intelligent word, but your ass doesn't even know how to read properly let alone do some research. I didn't diss the band, and if you had scrolled through the posts and taken a moment to read what i had written in here, instead of hopping on the bandwagon trying to get attention, then you would have known that. Whatever school you got your degree from must have specialized in remedial. <P>I'm quoting you: "my post was telling you to know the system, not just running your mouth to hear yourself speak". <P>Your post did nothing of the sort, all it did was ridicule and patronize, there was barely and ounce of sense in anything you said (notice i said barely, i don't like to write people completely off). If you had come with that drama in the beginning then i wouldn't have said anything, but to come along seventy-something posts later and just regurgitate the same ish is just plain stupid ish and all i did, was call you on it. Seems to me that if you're as much of a grown man as you say you are then you would have been able to take it with a grain of salt. The fact that you didn't makes it pretty clear whose still reading Mother Goose and Nursery Rhymes. No wonder you were able to critique my shit.<BR> <P><BR>P.S. Seems to me work doesn't keep your monkey ass busy enough. Can i suggest overtime?<P><P><BR>

Tiny is a female, and she's the roots tour manager. She was talking from experience, not to get heard and get thanks from ?uest.<P>Peace,<BR>Phil<P>"Okayplayer.com, first the Web, next, the World!" - Phil copyright 1999<BR>"Phil, You're a Genius" - Kayci Copyright 1999<BR>"I'm not a genius, I just say what other people should be thinking." - Phil Copyright 1999<BR>"Girl, you so chicken, your Grandfather's name is Colonel Sanders" - Phil Copyright 1999<BR>"You must have verbal diarrhea cuz all you do is talk shit." Phil Copyright 1999

....that information doesn't change a thing i said.<P>Don't bother trying to ghet-to know me. If you know yourself and the role you play in, and the relationship you have with, the world, then we already know each other and introductions aren't necessary.

>....that information doesn't change a thing i <BR>>said. <P>How's that? You still believe she posted to jock ?uest and get props? All she did was truly tell the kid how it is.<P>Phil<P><BR>"Okayplayer.com, first the Web, next, the World!" - Phil copyright 1999<BR>"Phil, You're a Genius" - Kayci Copyright 1999<BR>"I'm not a genius, I just say what other people should be thinking." - Phil Copyright 1999<BR>"Girl, you so chicken, your Grandfather's name is Colonel Sanders" - Phil Copyright 1999<BR>"You must have verbal diarrhea cuz all you do is talk shit." Phil Copyright 1999

i mean, what am i supposed to respond to this in a speedy manner? specially when i'm doin all i can to fix the situation at hand. it's bad enough that no promoter could be hired to do a show up there for this cheap ass price (tix are only $5 plus service charges), so in the end to do this damn near free ass seattle/portland show i gotta miss thanksgiving at my ailing grandmother's and do 6 other shows afterwards so that we don't fall in the red.......<BR>.............so again.....am i supposed to be motivated or somethin? tell me<P><P><P><P><BR>"....start your own company??!? your parents don't have enough money to buy you a company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

first off, as to the guy who's pist in Seattle, you really need to chill. I completely agree with you that all shows outta be all ages. Restricting someone from a a show because of their age is just as bad as excluding someone because of their race or releigion. it's fucking stupid. however, you need to realize that bands don't always have the control of where they play. I don't worship the Roots as gods or anything either, keeping that in mind you need to realize that are only human and trying to make a living. One more point you made was that "the hippies and grungers ain't true fans". That's asinine!!!!! Anyone who supports the Roots, digs the music, and keeps an open mind is a TRUE FAN. You need to expand your horizons. Now for quest, just curious as to why the seattle show is 5 bones, yet the SF/Petaluma shows cost me 25 bucks a pop. I ain't complaining though, I know you guys will be worth it. But with those prices in mind, at 20 a head, with a couple thousand at each show, how are u guys in the red? much smaller bands are doing just fine. take care,<P>-eli<P>PS-See you guys in 2 weeks!

I certainly would pay more than $5 for your show, but you guys set the price not me. If you guys are almost in the red then there's something really wrong. MCA must be pimpin you guys quite nicely. You should go the independent route and put out your own stuff and take control of your music. My motivation is to get you guys to play an all-ages show by posting something my homie wrote. If that can't be done, then you can bet I'll be sneaking into wherver the show is thrown.<P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

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Check the tourdates often?? Nov. 23rd is just around the corner. I hope for all the other seattle heads that they find a willing venue, but in your case... i hope you get SHIT ON again.<P>You REALLY consider yourself a fan?? Then get your ass in the car and go to a show. Make a road trip out of it. since last March, I have driven a total of 28 hours to see roots shows. Spent 8 hours on a greyhound for the same purpose too. No matter how much I try, The Roots aren't gonna be playing in my backyard when I wake up in the morning.<P>Life isn't convenient bud. Quit ya bitchin'. I'll stick to "dick-riding" (i prefer to call it showing appreciation)... trust me, it gets you a lot farther.<P><P>Catch ya later, I'll be "Trollin' for Olives"<P>360* forward --><P>(((around sound)))<P>(((krutch)))(((1999)))<P>"Go Go Buffalo" - Pnub from "Idle Hands"<P>"Turns out... Not where, but who you're with that really matters...that really matters" -D. Matthews<P>"You could die a thousand ways and I'd still love you back to life" - L. Kravitz

Some of us have school and may not have cars either. Certain obligations are a little bit more important than a Roots show too.<P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

i was responding to your friend who was bitchin'... quit bitchin'!!!! Me = full time student. My Car = piece of shit. maybe my priorities are a little out of wack.<P>Catch ya later, I'll be "Trollin' for Olives"<P>360* forward --><P>(((around sound)))<P>(((krutch)))(((1999)))<P>"Go Go Buffalo" - Pnub from "Idle Hands"<P>"Turns out... Not where, but who you're with that really matters...that really matters" -D. Matthews<P>"You could die a thousand ways and I'd still love you back to life" - L. Kravitz

I am a full time college student. I deliver papers and bus tables. I do not have a car, so for me I have no means to get to Portland. I applaud you for taking an 8 hour bus trip to see the Roots. You are a true fan. Would you like a cookie too? I got Macadamia Nut and Chocolate Chip. I take the bus to see shows. What is your point? That you have the time to take an 8 hour trip to prove how down you are?

and shove it directly up your bitch ass!! You're the one with the "hard knock life" living all the way up in seattle where the roots don't do all ages shows. maybe you're the reason. Get a Damn Fake ID and go to the 21 venue...<P>Catch ya later, I'll be "Trollin' for Olives"<P>360* forward --><P>(((around sound)))<P>(((krutch)))(((1999)))<P>"Go Go Buffalo" - Pnub from "Idle Hands"<P>"Turns out... Not where, but who you're with that really matters...that really matters" -D. Matthews<P>"You could die a thousand ways and I'd still love you back to life" - L. Kravitz

Regardless. I will not get a fake ID because I shouldn't have to be 21 to see a hiphop show. Other than that you really didn't state anything intelligent, hence this reply.

and talking shit... your whole post lacked intelligence and was a whole load of shit. Investigate what you're commenting on before you post a bunch of bullshit and incite a message board rumble. <P>ya gotta make sacrifices in life. if you don't want the fake id... listen to 98 degrees.. they're shows are all ages .<P>Catch ya later, I'll be "Trollin' for Olives"<P>360* forward --><P>(((around sound)))<P>(((krutch)))(((1999)))<P>"Go Go Buffalo" - Pnub from "Idle Hands"<P>"Turns out... Not where, but who you're with that really matters...that really matters" -D. Matthews<P>"You could die a thousand ways and I'd still love you back to life" - L. Kravitz

So back to your Lenny Kravitz/Dave Matthews music and don't most something so dumb again. The Fuck? If I don't wanna make the sacrifices to get a fake ID I should go see a 98 degrees show. Okay. First off, I have never heard of 98 degrees, so I assume that they are not hiphop. But in the event that they are, what should me being 21 years old have to do with hip-hop? Answer me that Krutch?

Did that shit make any sense??? U of WA teaches you mad grammar huh? if you're speaking of my quotes, they mean something to me bitch. I am not all hip hop, for I have an open mind!!! I'm very glad you haven't heard of 98 degrees... you don't want to. another manufactured boyband.. Anyway, i'm not sayin you gotta be 21 to be a hip hop head... (and you don't have to be strictly hip hop either fool!!!... so don't question my hip hop knowledge based on nothing but my quotes!!!) All i'm sayin is that if you're that pissed off about lack of all ages shows... get a fakey.... you're in college, they're not that hard to come by. <P>responding to every thread sucks<P><BR>Catch ya later, I'll be "Trollin' for Olives"<P>360* forward --><P>(((around sound)))<P>(((krutch)))(((1999)))<P>"Go Go Buffalo" - Pnub from "Idle Hands"<P>"Turns out... Not where, but who you're with that really matters...that really matters" -D. Matthews<P>"You could die a thousand ways and I'd still love you back to life" - L. Kravitz

Yes, i, the pissed off seattle okayplayer am now defending the roots..!<BR>First off, i do feel that the roots have kinda "shitted" on seattle in the past, and i was once a quite upset person because of it. And to all of you doggin my irate friend here, he wouldn't be so pissed if he didn't really like the roots... kinda tough love in a way, guess... not that i think taking the approach he did was the right one.<BR>on to the defending... the roots, specifically quest, have made some pretty damn admerable attempts to correct their wrongs. quest has personaly told me that the show is going to be all ages. do you know why? because i (and im sure others) emailed him asking for to be so! The show WAS going to be at the showbox. it would have been 21 , and god knows how expensive. But the show is going to be all ages, and, according to quest, very cheap. So, if seattle was once dogged by the mighty roots, at least now they're wiping it off, so to speak, and trying to right the wrong they committed a few months ago. And you gotta respect that.<BR>So, on behalf of myself and all my friends who are (almost =)as big fans of the roots as i am, thank you quest, for making the effort. And if you cant find a venue by the 23, i know it'll happen sometime soon, because their are way more people in seattle who feel as i do than there are people who feel as Marc here does. now, thats not to say that i didn't feel betrayed at one time by the roots, but, man, if this was any other group, you wouldn't even have the chance to vent like that! i know, i did it at one time, and quest actually responded to me personally. thats some shit! they've got a whole world to deal with, we are a little corner of the US.<BR>Finally, i hope that post my marc didn't kill your motivation to persue the all ages show in seattle, quest, although id hate to see you miss thanksgiving and all... if it comes down to it, i'll find some way to make it to portland and i'll check yall out there.<P>- eagerly awaiting my chance to finally see the roots live, marius

Those were words from my homie Broke. Read.<P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

First off, if you send an email to people, you are responible for it. IF you post amessage , you are responsoble for it.<P>Your friend to stupid to register with the site? He's too stupid to base any of his arguments in fact?, or to rpovide examples of alleged attrocities by the band.(The children our out future? What kind of trite simpleton shit is that?)<P>Tell your friend to take a shit in his napsack and place it over your head. You both deserve the most sever mockings imaginable, and maybe Hepatitis.<P>Marc One=One Mark Ass Sucka<P>What you give is what you get - The Jam<P>Oh, I posted all this for my friend. Can we open a discussion on it?

You need to leave Marc One out of this. Your little imaginary internet beef is with me and not him. He took it upon himself to repost what I already posted on the guestbook. You are more than willing to check it if you like man. Fool, you are little. I have better things to do with my life than arguing a pointless convo with someone I don't even care to know.

you think you've got it bad? the closest roots show to my lil' ass town in the middle of nowhere has been in chicago at house of blues which is 18 and over and 5 hours away....seeing that i'm 15 i can't exactly go to those concerts......but do i get on the site and write hate letters??? hellno! i'm just happy these cats put out albums so i can listen to them every day.....and hopefully some day the promoters in nearby cities will smarten up and hook up the roots...........for an all ages show......so i feel your cause....but you're taking the wrong angle on the problem.......i think a appology is nessicary......<P>

Check it again. It's not my fault where you live, as at the age of 15 it isn't your fault either. But Seattle is hardly the boondocks. Save that shit for Huey and his brother. Those cartoon characters got real problems.

I know firsthand what it is like not to be able to get into 21 shows, actually I cant even get into 18 shows.<BR>But don't twist this on the Roots.<BR>They do not make these arrangements, the promoters do. Something they cannot control.<BR>It is VERY frustrating for me to not be able to get into shows, but..Don't blame the ARTIST..<P>Although I think your primary reason for the post was to get attention and you obviously do not understand the music industry...<P>y'all are DAMn lucky the roots are even considering playing in Seattle to make up for the show last summer (which was STILL a show, more than most regions of the country and most okayplayers have EVER seen). To play for 5$ shows ridiculous love and appreciation for the fans. Name one other artist who would even think to do this.<P>So dont get all spoiled and whiny over this man..because you just dont know..did you read Ahmir's post?<BR>what he is sacrificing for this show?<BR>Man..just dont start with this.<BR>And don't even call me a dickrider..cause just look at your argument.<BR>If your that heated..goto a sirmixalot show..even HE probably charges more than 5 dollars nowadays.<P>I shouldnt have even responded, but damn, just consider what you said or what your "friend" said.<BR>Peace,<BR>STeve<P><BR>I worship Mr. 1989.

aside from listening to hip hop, I listen to a lot of punk rock and $5 is the normal price for a show. Even the most popular bands such as Green Day rarely charge more than 10 bucks and they are making a fine living. I really don't find charging $5 such a charity. The Roots will still be getting paid for the show, and they'll still be racking in $25 a T-Shirt. All this for doing something they truly love. I don't feel sorry for them one bit.<P><BR>-Eli

>aside from listening to hip hop, I <BR>>listen to a lot of punk <BR>>rock and $5 is the normal <BR>>price for a show.<P>what established (as in more than 6 records under their belts) does $5 shows?<P>name me 5, better yet name me 2.<BR>2 artists (established artists) who does a show for $5 or less........<P><P><P><P> Even <BR>>the most popular bands such as <BR>>Green Day rarely charge more than <BR>>10 bucks and they are making <BR>>a fine living.<P>uh, green day and i share the same agency and the last i checked, their last tour was regular tour price, $17.50-$25.00<P> I really <BR>>don't find charging $5 such a <BR>>charity.<P>then you sir are sadly mist----clueless. you gonna look me in the eye and tell me that tribe, or cypress, or cube, or eminem, or gangstar shows are $3.00? you must be stuck in 1967. or a cheap ass motherf#$%er.<P><P><BR> The Roots will still <BR>>be getting paid for the show,<P>is your name: tina farris? or perhaps richard nichols? or maybe myoshi smith? you gots to be cause i don't recall having a fool named elmic on payroll. cause only those people are privy to my info as to whether not i get paid. how dare you speak upon my situation with convivtion and authority as if you "know that it's no sweat off my back"<P><P><P> <BR>>and they'll still be racking in <BR>>$25 a T-Shirt.<P>even if that was the case (which it isn't) what, you think we get to pocket that loot? no. hell no, that would be spent on maintaining this site so that you can say some more ignorant shit<P><P><BR> All this <BR>>for doing something they truly love. <BR>> I don't feel sorry for <BR>>them one bit. <BR>> -Eli <P>......anybody ask you to feel sorry for me?<P><BR>i swear. i'm cool with lettin motherfucker'spost what they want. but don't think for one second that im letting someone say something ignorant without a response..........fuck that shit.<P><BR>"....start your own company??!? your parents don't have enough money to buy you a company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

That's exactly what I paid when The Roots came to Virginia Tech 2 years ago. And it was a damn fine show, of course. And I think that's a phenomenal price too. What's wrong with that ticket price? And NO, I didn't go to a scalper either. Ticket office, $10, 12 w/o Tech ID.<P>So what's the deal?<BR>

and i'm not tryin to start isht. just answerin the question:<P>>what established (as in more than 6 <BR>>records under their belts) does $5 <BR>>shows? <BR>>name me 5, better yet name me <BR>>2. 2 artists (established artists) who <BR>>does a show for $5 or <BR>>less........ <P>first i gotta take issue with your definition of established. 6 records??? so ATCQ wasn't established??? even if you were exaggerating, there's a lot of groups that only have one or two records but have an established reputation from touring or word of mouth. ESPECIALLY in a genre like punk or hardcore....<P>i seen sick of it all (quite established, heads never heard of them, it's THEIR problem) twice for FREE, at least 4 other times for between $5 and $10. i saw H2O for $5 twice (they're established too, only 4 records but trust me). agnostic front plays for $5-10 all the time. see, these bands just don't usually go through the types of promoters hip hop acts go through because hardcore and punk is so DIY (do it yourself). most of the promoters in a city are just kids from the local scene who know how to get a show organized. see, all it takes in HC is a venue, a PA, somebody who knows some sound, somebody for security, and a SHITLOAD of flyers. i won't get the electric factory but i could get 200 people in a VFW every weekend for 6 months if i can keep bringin the bands. some hip hop could use the DIY approach, but that's not gonna happen, and heads should just stop complaining. <P><a href="http://www.thehungersite.com">http://www.thehungersite.com<;/a><P>"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

We are taking the DIY approach (see MarcOne and Broke's messages about S.H.O.W. - the point of which is putting on our own shows)..so we can complain about the Roots cancelling on us? Right?<P>Peace! S.H.O.W. in the year 2G!

>and i'm not tryin to start isht.<P>tink, when are you not tryin to start some ish? nuh please!!!!!<BR> <BR>> just answerin the question: <BR>>>what established (as in more than 6 <BR>>>records under their belts) does $5 <BR>>>shows? <BR>>>name me 5, better yet name me <BR>>>2. 2 artists (established artists) who <BR>>>does a show for $5 or <BR>>>less........ <P>>first i gotta take issue with your <BR>>definition of established. 6 records??? <BR>> so ATCQ wasn't established???<P>tink tribe has 6 records. what in the world does this have to do with what i'm speaking of?.....<BR> <BR>there's <BR>>a lot of groups that only <BR>>have one or two records but <BR>>have an established reputation from touring <BR>>or word of mouth. ESPECIALLY <BR>>in a genre like punk or <BR>>hardcore....<P>punk and hip-hop are apples and oranges.<BR>again.......hip-hop is what we are speaking of. naw, eff that, fine any genre we can speak on. but in order for any act to do an extensive amount of shows, mind you, around the clock on more than 20 countries. the argument here is not "who is an established artist, the argument here tink, is why am i being challenged like i'm ripping off some people with a $5 dollar show (that was all ages to begin with, so this post wouldn't even be needed if mofo's would do a lil' investigation) so if i sound like i'm on the edge.......damn right i'm on the edge.<P><BR> <BR>>i seen sick of it all (quite <BR>>established, heads never heard of them, <BR>>it's THEIR problem) twice for FREE, <BR>>at least 4 other times for <BR>>between $5 and $10. i <BR>>saw H2O for $5 twice (they're <BR>>established too, only 4 records but <BR>>trust me). agnostic front plays <BR>>for $5-10 all the time.<P>okay. once again. es-tab-lish-ed. by industry standards (gold record at least, hit single, a video at least 7 times a week, a major story in a major periodical).....or whoever. i'm sorry but even though i've heard of these bands i've not seen them in the least sense on mtv ("blah blah blah from h2o got arrested this week for.....") following or no following sorry but they could release a volume of ish the size of prince's catalouge. but still this is not the point.<BR> <BR>>see, these bands just don't usually <BR>>go through the types of promoters <BR>>hip hop acts go through because <BR>>hardcore and punk is so DIY <BR>>(do it yourself). most of <BR>>the promoters in a city are <BR>>just kids from the local scene <BR>>who know how to get a <BR>>show organized. see, all it <BR>>takes in HC is a venue, <BR>>a PA, somebody who knows some <BR>>sound, somebody for security, and a <BR>>SHITLOAD of flyers. i won't <BR>>get the electric factory but i <BR>>could get 200 people in a <BR>>VFW every weekend for 6 months <BR>>if i can keep bringin the <BR>>bands. some hip hop could <BR>>use the DIY approach, but that's <BR>>not gonna happen, and heads should <BR>>just stop complaining. <P>again tink. this was not the focus of the debate. i know you meant well, and i'm not tryin to yank your chain, but this has nothing to do with the matter at hand...<P>"....start your own company??!? your parents don't have enough money to buy you a company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

>tink, when are you not tryin to start some ish? nuh please!!!!!<P>you're right, i been startin too much, why would you believe me? i'm really not this time, but hey, it's all good, it's my own fault if i come across that way.<P>>again tink. this was not the focus <BR>>of the debate. i know you <BR>>meant well, and i'm not tryin <BR>>to yank your chain, but this <BR>>has nothing to do with the <BR>>matter at hand... <P>you know what? you're right on this. i retract my previous statements. i was arguing particulars instead of lookin at your point. i apologize for leapin without lookin. no hard feelings? (this time at least...?)<P><a href="http://www.thehungersite.com">http://www.thehungersite.com<;/a><P>KRH-ONE (nine-nine-nine): the ORIGINAL and ONLY OkayKoolKeith<P>"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

for for siding with me on this. this also shows that true fans of the Roots don't only listen to "hip hop" yet are able to expand their horizons. It's good to see that not everyone on this site takes the Roots side on everything. Quest is obviously a very intelligent man, but he isn't god. no disrespect.<P>-eli

<P> Even <BR> does a show for $5 or less........<P>Absolutely, A.F.I., a punk band from the bay area who have been around for many years and are very widely known by those who listen to that style of music, Mr. T Experience same genre (though they usually charge like 7 bucks), Fugazi, who I'm sure you've heard of never plays for more than 6 dollars.<P><P> uh, green day and i share the same agency and the last i checked, their last tour was regular<BR> tour price, $17.50-$25.00<P>their SF shows weren't that price, but maybe that is because they are from here.<P><P> I really <BR> >don't find charging $5 such a <BR> >charity.<P> then you sir are sadly mist----clueless. you gonna look me in the eye and tell me that tribe,<BR> or cypress, or cube, or eminem, or gangstar shows are $3.00? you must be stuck in 1967.<BR> or a cheap ass motherf#$%er.<P><BR>look, I'm paying $20 to see you guys twice in San Francisco, I think the show is definately worth it. You can charge what people will pay. I'm not saying that you should charge $5. I'm just saying that it isn't so unusual. Obviously those bands don't charge $5, there is absolutely nothing wrong with charging more if you feel you are worth it.<P><BR> The Roots will still <BR> >be getting paid for the show,<P> is your name: tina farris? or perhaps richard nichols? or maybe myoshi smith? you gots to<BR> be cause i don't recall having a fool named elmic on payroll. cause only those people are<BR> privy to my info as to whether not i get paid. how dare you speak upon my situation with<BR> convivtion and authority as if you "know that it's no sweat off my back"<P><BR>are you saying that you aren't getting paid? I have no idea how much you are getting paid, but somehow I doubt your getting nothing. If you are not then, you should do something about it, because for the show you put on, you deserve it.<P><BR> >and they'll still be racking in <BR> >$25 a T-Shirt.<P> even if that was the case (which it isn't) what, you think we get to pocket that loot? no.<BR> hell no, that would be spent on maintaining this site so that you can say some more<BR> ignorant shit<P>as for the $25 shirts, I saw you guys in Boston this summer and that was how much ya'll were charging for shirts. There's nothing wrong with that, if that's what the fans are willing to pay. And I should also mention that I really think it's great that you maintain a website like this.<P><BR> <P> ......anybody ask you to feel sorry for me?<P><BR> i swear. i'm cool with lettin motherfucker'spost what they want. but don't think for one<BR> second that im letting someone say something ignorant without a response..........fuck that<BR> shit.<P><BR>I'm glad you responded, but I don't think that my comments are ignorant at all. I'm merely pointing out that $5 for a show isn't such a rarity. And you never asked anyone to feel sorry for you, another fan implied. I regret that line.<P> take care,<P>Eli

No real comment about Marcone's post I'm just LMAO at what ?uest said to him on #27 "clueless...". I ain't tryin 2 start ish, but that was some funny ish.<P>>i swear. i'm cool with lettin motherfucker's post >what they want. but don't think for one second<BR>>that im letting someone say something <BR>>ignorant without a response..........fuck that<BR>>shit.<P>All I have to say is word.late'.WON.LMAO<P>--------------------------------------------------<P><BR>ELITE CRU SHYNE 4 EVA AND EVA........<P>Check Out Nahum (hopefully) and (main act) the Roots at the 9:30 club (on the date of my arrival here on Earth<BR>(b-day)December 29, 1999)<P>"me..WE" - Ali (the greatest emcee ever)<P>"A lot of TOTS think they WISE 'cuz they LAY CHIPS" - NAHUM/JAH-EL (potato (chip) freestyle<BR>done at a Hip Hop Gala, L.A.)<P>"DO IT NOW!!!!" - MOS DEF/BUSTA RHYMES<P>"What happened to just fallin' in love with a nigga----just 'cuz you love the nigga?!" - Eddie<BR>Griffon ("Ed-ucation" Chronic 2001)<P>"kid test the devil/to hit the next level.....Yo it's time to up lift/They think all we do is bust<BR>clips/and puff splifs/And plush whips/and clutch chips/and touch chicks" - Rakim ("Up Lift" The<BR>Master)<P>"Immobilarity"(I-Master-More-Opponents-By-Implementing-Loyalty-And-Respect-In-The-Youth)<BR>- Raekwon<P>"Keep your heart clean/And your voice will echo" - Sizzla ("True Hearts" The Royal Son of<BR>Ethiopia)

>aside from listening to hip hop, I <BR>>listen to a lot of punk <BR>>rock and $5 is the normal <BR>>price for a show. Even <BR>>the most popular bands such as <BR>>Green Day rarely charge more than <BR>>10 bucks and they are making <BR>>a fine living. I really <BR>>don't find charging $5 such a <BR>>charity. The Roots will still <BR>>be getting paid for the show, <BR>>and they'll still be racking in <BR>>$25 a T-Shirt. All this <BR>>for doing something they truly love. <BR>> I don't feel sorry for <BR>>them one bit. <BR>> -Eli <P>I just cant believe that in this day and age, motherfuckers are THIS ignorant about all this shit. I go to school for this stuff, but isnt it just common sense as to how things work?? At least to SOME degree? Dont you idiots have a clue about promotion, profit margins, Record contracts, etc? Who's the jerk that said "The roots should go independent and blah blah blah?" WOW....you should consult all the major artists that are going broke with advice like THAT! Hell, I'll bet you can teach Michael Jackson a thing or 2 about making money, huh? <BR> Then, this retard says "They still rack in $25 per t-shirt.." Get a FUCKIN LIFE! Better yet, pick up a book and learn. Take a business course or something. You people are so damn confused. Please.<BR> Naz<P>"I'm so ahead of my time, my parents havent met yet"--Big L (RIP)<BR> <BR> "PTHBT"--Maria<BR> <BR> <P>

But they have the ultimate say in where they perform. Mos Def has made it a point that he will not perform in a venue that serves alcohol. So don't tell me for one second that they are completely innocent. What the fuck does Sir Mix A Lot have to do with anything? You are obviously very ignorant to Hiphop in the Pacific Northwest. So you don't deserve much else of a reply.

>But they have the ultimate say in <BR>>where they perform. Mos Def <BR>>has made it a point that <BR>>he will not perform in a <BR>>venue that serves alcohol. So <BR>>don't tell me for one second <BR>>that they are completely innocent. <P>And this is the reason why Mos does not go on national tours. How many concerts does he perform a year? NOT many. So he makes a point not to perform in venues without alcohol but that means not performing at all. (To reply to other stuff:Punk rock shows are 5$ because there are usually 4-5 bands..LOW overhead..and the bands get almost no commision. Green day has sold 20 million albums plus, those dudes do NOT need money..LOL.)<BR>I could break it down even more..but I am already spending too much time on this.<BR> <BR>>What the fuck does Sir Mix <BR>>A Lot have to do with <BR>>anything? You are obviously very <BR>>ignorant to Hiphop in the Pacific <BR>>Northwest. So you don't deserve <BR>>much else of a reply. <P>It was a joke..please. <P><BR>I am not taking a bullet for my "commander in chief"..I am pointing out all of your stupidity. Y'all are lucky they even come to your city..hell they almost never come to mine.<BR>I am dropping it at that, cuz y'all are just not gonna realize. I hope you goto the show so you can be open and realize what is going on. Besides that, I am done reading this thread.<P>Peace,<BR>Steve<P><BR>I worship Mr. 1989.

No that you are in your "reasonable phase."<BR>Do you know how the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY an artist has to playing in a town? They have the option of playing OR NOT PLAYING. They don't get the option of picking and chosing much. If the promoter (the one who guarntees the money) says all he can book is 21 and up, that's where they play. Why can he only book 21 and up? Sometimes it's the size of a venue. Not many BARS will close the bar for a show without getting reimbursed for lost sales. Sometimes it's the insurance risk, remeber all these events have to be insured, and under age mayhem (don't see many 35 year olds moshing) cost more to insure. Sometimes it's security. Some security agencies charge more for an all ages show.<P>How do *I* know this? Coz I worked as a "promoter" in San Diego years back. <P>How can YOU help get the ARTIST you want in your town at your venues of choice? Become a promoter. Go work for a promoter. Call your local promoter's office and make suggestions as to what talent you want in town. <P>As for your earlier Mr. Hyde post, all that shit about "Do what I want or FUCK YOU ROOTS!" is not endearing you to anyone. <P>If you want to make a differnce BE the differnce. (Some trite shit.)<P>-Tom Hayes

mos def may have said that, but it's not true. when i saw him at s.o.b.'s i had a drink in my hand. don't believe the hype.<P><BR>my for-rhyming magnum's got three-hundred and fifty-seven calibers/<BR>to bust a sucker's melon like gallagher/ -- ras kass

>But they have the ultimate say in <BR>>where they perform. Mos Def <BR>>has made it a point that <BR>>he will not perform in a <BR>>venue that serves alcohol. <P>not relevent. but i like to post for no reason anyhow.<BR>Lau....=c)<BR>pronounced "law" as in LAUrie<P>AIM Outlau1<P>"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything." - Mark Twain<P>"But hey, what ever tickles your pickle man" - Me

<BR>i understand the frustration of the roots doing 21 and over venues, cuz i missed many shows due to my age. but peep, you need to stop actin like the roots choose these places on purpose.theres sooo much more, like finding promoters that will do their shows, etc.<P>AND...<P>what hiphop group has a site is for the fans, where u can feel like family and be able to email the members? u act like the roots aren't busy just chattin and peepin emails doing nothing. yo, we are in school, we got time to check the internet and read our email, you forget that the roots are on the move, and this is their JOB and sometimes they do need a break, cuz i know i do.<BR>that animosity in the post was really not necessary yo...just post your frustration bout how u cant see them, but dont call them out their names, if u dont know the whole deal...<P>

5 dollars?????? oh my gosh......<P>the shows here are 25 dollars and MORE, plus the damn parking here in LA which is half the price of the shows...<BR>im feelin the 5 dollar shows...damn!<P>im all about the free- me<BR>and beat up the...-apostle

keroline girl you feel me, complaining aobut a measly 5 bones is uncalled for when you think of all the dope ish these people do for us, homey you need to relax yo.<P>peace<P>"music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent"<P>"you mean you really didn't know raisins came from grapes?"<P>"Only the soul has the ability to love without boundaries"<P>-Unknown-

Public Enemy, Hieroglyphics, Styles of Beyond, Freestyle Fellowship, Duckdown Records used to back in the day and were kinda pioneers with the whole conversing with the fans thing. Problem But who's counting. I think its really dope that the roots are conversating with there fans. Why else would I voice my frustrations. I just find it funny how its nobody's business who I say FUCK off to but that particular person. Yet all these Roots seamen were ready to take a bullet for their commander in cheif. Its kinda sad really. Although I can't lie, I would take a bullet for Chuck D, Muhammed Ali, and Grandmaster Caz. I could throw a few more in their but you get the point. But that is actually a bullet. I wouldn't defend them when someone attacks them. That's their job.

<BR>--res-one--><BR>peace, okayplayers...<P>"symbolize dope, like sirens do terror"- common sense<P>"life is like the open sea, truth is the wind in our sail"- kweli<P>"so what? you carry hot glocks and rocks, so what? that type of rap is #1 on the charts, so what? your video is on MTV, you still ain't an emcee to me"- Krumb Snatcha<P>FREE MUMIA<BR><a href="http://www.thehungersite.com">http://www.thehungersite.com<;/a>

Talking about how you'd take a bullet for your idols but never defend what they say. What kinda backwards KrisKross sh*t is that? Really it must be all that F*ckin rain messin with y'all coz I know some people in Seattle and most of y'all are plain ol ignorant. As for the show.....do this. Walk up to ?uest or anyone else and tell 'em you are okayplayer Broke (your name says it all) and be a man about your so-called opinions instead of being a keyboard warrior about things.<P><BR>UCLA sucks...............but STANFORD swallows!!!<BR>Cal wins THE BIG GAME!!!!Nov 20 1999<P><BR>look for www.abesha.com COMING SOON!!!<P>did you know raisins were dried grapes?<P>AIM: okmikeONE<BR>

In my post, I said the following:<P>"I would take a bullet for Chuck D, Muhammed Ali, and Grandmaster Caz. I could throw a few more in their but you get the point. But that is actually a bullet. I wouldn't defend them when someone attacks them. That's their job."<P>It is not my job to clarify words that are not mine. Just like it isn't the job of okayplayers to take it upon themselves to explain what ?uestionably 4 Tha Love meant by what he said. It is ?uest's job. So tell me how that is KrisKrossed? <P>As far as being a man...I have made it a point to ?uest on several occasions through email who I am and that I definitely will approach him in a peaceful manner. He has made it a point that he will not approach me with the same manner.

HoMeBrO SaYs get a fake id.<P><BR>the roots can't please everybody all the time. <P><BR>

I sit here baffled as to how and why this has become such a big issue.<BR>I love the roots, I don't go to every concert. Matter of fact I only been to three since '94. It would never cross my mind to be so heated at them. Maybe seattle fans are more serious about hip hop than us in NYC. Then again, I've been listening to hip hop since 1979, and buying albums since 1983 my roots run deep in this music my music.<BR> I would never in my wildest dreams make such a big stink over not being able to go to a show by my favorite artist, and then tell them when they are finally trying to get the show together, that they are basically not doing it well enough.<BR> On top of that, I would never take a bullet for no hip hop artist either (well, maybe Kool Keith). What's going on in the world today?? Why have we turned our music into such a serious matter. The bottom line is this IT'S JUST MUSIC. IF ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE ARTISTS IS NOT LIVING UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS, DON'T GET ALL MAD AND LOSE SLEEP OVER IT!!!!!!!!! <BR> I'm not gonna defend the roots cuz I don't know what they promised you or if they were assholes to you. That's not the point the point is that this is all not worth the aggravation. Maybe cuz I am older than you cats I gotta better perspective on the whole thing. I don't know, this is all just a little bit overboard for me.

That's why a show like this is so important. Every time a national act comes to town it helps the hip-hop community that much more. You are lucky enough to live in NYC which is the Mecca of hip-hop. When you email Questlove numerous times without a response the only way to reach him is by making it everyone's business. Only then will he respond because of that. Personally I'm doing my best to help build the scene. But The Roots playing at an all-ages venue can only benefit everyone involved.<P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

I dont speak for anybody but myself on how I feel about what I read in your boys letter. I dont think anybody is ever satisfied with how often they perform in our areas, but we dont lash out on some bullshit, we just wait patiently for them to show back up knowing/hoping they will reappear. Artists perform wherever they get booked regardless of age limits or whatever. Its up to your boy and other similar people in his age group to stimulate some kind of demand so that a place will want to have the roots do a show. Or he can nicely try to speak to the manager of the place and say "im not here to drink, I just want to see a good show, Im a big fan", but bringing that drama here was the wrong place. I dont think they're saying "fuck seattles nirvana lovin asses, we were on geffen too, shoulda supported us back then". I doubt that they have much control over the venues they get booked in. Make sure he reads this just like he was tellin people what they had better read, so that he has a better understanding of how these things work.

Here are the issues as I see them:<P> - People in the Northwest feel shitted on by the<BR> Roots. As much as many of you dick riders would<BR> like to say it's not so, this appears to be the <BR> case, at least in a Northwest fan's mind. This is due the Roots pulling a dissappearing act at<BR> Bumbershoot (I know, a message was sent but I <BR> bet no more than 20% of OKPlayers got it before <BR> the show...and what about the Roots fans who<BR> aren't on OKPlayer.com?...how the fuck would <BR> they know the Roots weren't coming?) And now,<BR> it is my understanding that the Roots have<BR> cancelled a couple of Northwest shows.<P> - To those of you bitching about how you live in<BR> BFE (that's bum fucked egypt to the rest of ya):<BR> It's not the fair for you to whine about how you <BR> have to travel to see the Roots. If you live in a small town it makes sense that the Roots <BR> aren't coming there. If you live in Seattle <BR> (which is by all means a "large" city), you <BR> would expect the Roots to show up there and not<BR> have to travel 400 miles.<P> - As far as all ages venues go: The Roots should <BR> make it a point to book all ages venues (much <BR> like Mos does w/ his no alcohol shows). As I've<BR> stated in the guestbook, I can almost certainly guarantee you that at least 60-65% of Roots fans<BR> are not of legal age. If you play at 21 venues<BR> you're locking out your biggest fanbase. And as<BR> far as dealing w/ promoters (remember, I'm not <BR> in the biz so I'm willing to admit that I don't<BR> know for sure how this works), any promoter, <BR> would seemingly want the Roots. You are guaranteed a sell out at almost any Roots show and<BR> seeing how theRoots are by most accounts a "peaceful" group, a promoter would have to worry<BR> about violence at a show and whatnot. I think <BR> it is more the Roots management's fault that <BR> they book an 21 show..but again...I don't work<BR> for the Roots so I'm only guessing (so don't go<BR> off on me!) And you can understand how an <BR> underage kid would be pissed that they had a <BR> good chance to see the Roots in a nice venue <BR> where they didn't have to do anything illegal<BR> to get in the show, and then the show was <BR> cancelled (Bumbershoot). I think all of you <BR> jock riders (who seem to think the Roots are <BR> impervious to criticism by the way...why is <BR> that?) should try to put yourself in a 17 yo<BR> kids shoes who has just paid 15 bucks for what<BR> he hopes is the best show of his life only to<BR> find out that his favorite group has chosen not<BR> to show up.<P> And don't think I'm a hater...I have every Roots album (and I mean every single one). I've been to<BR> shows like the rest of you. As a matter of fact,<BR> I just shelled out 28 bucks (including tax) to buy<BR> the Roots live album just so I could remember how<BR> nice they sound live. Just because I'm a fan (like the rest of you) doesn't mean the Roots aren't<BR> above being called out when shit ain't sweet. You all need to re-examine before you judge.<P> Anyhow, I've said enough for now...I'll pick apart the rest of your arguments later. Peace to<BR> MarcOne and Broke (you know who it is...check the email kids...see you at the SHOW meeting).<BR> PEACE!

<BR>>To those of you bitching about <BR>>how you live in <BR>> BFE (that's <BR>>bum fucked egypt to the rest <BR>>of ya): <BR>> It's not the fair <BR>>for you to whine about how <BR>>you <BR>> have to travel to <BR>>see the Roots. If you live <BR>>in a small town it makes <BR>>sense that the Roots <BR>> aren't <BR>>coming there.<P>First off, I wouldn't make fun of anybody's town. Second off, if you're serious about building your town's hip-hop scene (as someone, possibly you, noted) and you can't book the Roots, BOOK SOMEONE ELSE. Since when were the Roots the only hip-hop act in the world? I don't get this at all...<P><BR>> - <BR>>As far as all ages venues <BR>>go: The Roots should <BR>> make <BR>>it a point to book all <BR>>ages venues (much <BR>> like Mos <BR>>does w/ his no alcohol shows). <P>Relatively speaking, Mos Def doesn't do that many shows (ESPECIALLY compared to the Roots). I would wager good money that his 'no alcohol' pledge has a lot to do with that. <P>The Roots don't "book" the venues, the promoter does. Here's how it works (in the case of Mr. Def, hypothetically): Promoter X contacts Mos Def and says, I have Y amount of money to pay you. Mos says "Is there alcohol in the venue you wanna have the show in?" If the promoter says "yes", mos asks the promoter to find another venue or the show's off. Mos does NOT (I'll bet the house) call around Promoter X's city trying to find a non-alcoholic venue to perform in; that's the promoter's job. same goes with the Roots and whether they perform in all-ages venues. <P>In this particular case, the Roots went out of their way to insist on an all ages venue. I wager they had problems finding a promoter to agree to book them for a $5 all ages show. why? The money is fucked and the range of venues is limited, two headaches no promoter wants to deal with.<P>Yo, cats need to learn more about this game before they speak on it, for real...<P>>And as <BR>> far as dealing w/ <BR>>promoters (remember, I'm not <BR>> in <BR>>the biz so I'm willing to <BR>>admit that I don't <BR>> know for <BR>>sure how this works), any promoter, <BR>> would seemingly want the Roots. <P>It's not just the promoter that has to want them...the venue has to want to house the show as well...the venue has to be strategically located (you know, easy to get to, decent parking, etc), there are a couple of factors you aren't discussing (I only went through two, if you want more, e-mail me)...<P>>You are guaranteed a sell out <BR>>at almost any Roots show<P>No such thing as a "guaranteed sell out"...everything has to be properly promoted, et cetera...but yes, the Roots are popular...<P>> <BR>>seeing how the Roots are by most <BR>>accounts a "peaceful" group, a promoter <BR>>would have to worry <BR>> about violence <BR>>at a show and whatnot.<P>You mean their fans are peaceful...not too many violent acts at concerts are instigated by the group on stage...hah...<P>> I <BR>>think <BR>> it is more the <BR>>Roots management's fault that <BR>> they <BR>>book an 21 show...<P>The management? No, it's the promoter's decision...<P>All age venues are a different dynamic from alcoholic venues...some venues serve alcohol at some shows and have all ages on others, some venues are exclusively one or the other...what you have to realize though is venues can make a heap of money by selling liquor, money which doesn't get made at an all ages show...so, whenever a venue is missing a chance to make money, they want to make that up somehow...when that happens, you get into arrangements where a venue owner's grubby hands start slicing out of the pie of money made at the door a little more than anyone likes...this discourages a lot of promoters because, hey, you do a lot of work to get people out to the show and look who takes a healthy chunk out of it?<P>I could talk about this all day, but I'm bored now...point is, the Roots are coming to Seattle for an all ages show at $5...so why is this thread so large?<P>Peace,<P>Spirit<BR><a href="http://amphibians.iuma.com">http://amphibians.iuma.com<;/a><BR><a href="http://infiniteloop.iuma.com">http://infiniteloop.iuma.com<;/a><BR>DC hip-hop is on the rise...<P>"High grade when I create beats/if I don't get signed/I'ma be the most dope bum that ever walked the streets" - <BR>Aychell (HL, of Khemystery)<P>"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's probably a tool of the conspiracy" - unknown

read them all and enjoy. Peace!

>read them all and enjoy. Peace! <P>You didn't capture half of my points...read what I wrote again....then read what you wrote...<P>Peace,<P>Spirit<BR><a href="http://amphibians.iuma.com">http://amphibians.iuma.com<;/a><BR><a href="http://infiniteloop.iuma.com">http://infiniteloop.iuma.com<;/a><BR>DC hip-hop is on the rise...<P>"High grade when I create beats/if I don't get signed/I'ma be the most dope bum that ever walked the streets" - <BR>Aychell (HL, of Khemystery)<P>"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's probably a tool of the conspiracy" - unknown

?uest,<P>You know I respect you as an artist and all that but, I don't think that it's fair that you should have to do a show that will make you miss your holiday and mean that you can't be with an ailing family member; that is unfortunate. However, I must also say that I don't think it's fair that my grandfather had to work on his Thanksgivings and miss all of them for 8 straight years. But it's a job, and love it or hate it, you still have to do it. Everyone faces these problems but life goes on, you are no different from, to quote your Philly brethren, the "average joe". Take care, hope your family member gets well...Peace!

you still have <BR>>to do it. <P><P>uh....actually i don't and had i known this was the response i was gonna get............man....it's still not too late to pull out....<P><BR>.....i do not need this ish.<P>not now.<P><BR>"....start your own company??!? your parents don't have enough money to buy you a company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I think you're taking it too hard...maybe not, I don't know. I was simply trying to state that with the good comes the bad you know? I know you don't HAVE to do a show here...that wasn't my point at all. But if you feel like you need to cancel the show to make a point...hey that's up to you. I still stick by my comments though. I think if you're are even considering cancelling the show here in seattle because of all this you will only be proving those of us who have been critical correct though. I'm sure you'd feel differently on this point. Much love...Peace!<P>P.S. - It ain't a money thing either (at least on my end)...did you read my reply post about how I don't care what it costs (within reason of course). Peace again.

><BR>> .....i do not need this ish. <BR>><BR>>not now. <P>dammit ?uest cheer up actually i have no idea the depth of this situation but i do know that my analytical approach to your latest work will cheer you up some. <P>(translation- get over to my post "analyzing/hey ahmir!!!!!" and tell me what you think of my review and answer my damn questions. ARGH!!!!!)<P><img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/happy.gif"><P>peace<BR>lay-z<BR>well tell me your comment...IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR COMMENT IS!!!!!!!<P>i bought the jazzyfatnastees album "the once and future" and i feel great. one serving in the morning , one at lunch hour, and then with a sensible dinner, it's that easy. do your self a favor and buy the album!!!!!!!!!<BR>NOW!!!!!!!!!!!<P><BR>at times my going forward seems like retreat<BR>-common (sense)

...that certain cheap-ass motherfuckers want something for (next to) nothing the whole time, like they're the only people with no goddam money? They overlook, or can't grasp, the fact that The Roots are in the music BUSINESS, and as a result, their livelihoods and the livelihoods of those who work for them are often dependent upon a whole bunch of unquantifiables.<P>It's all well and good saying "they signed on the dotted line", but if they hadn't, you'd be lucky to see them playing Seattle at all. Ever try getting tour support off an independent? Ever try getting shit from a rocking horse? Ever travelled cross country in the back of a stank-ass van doing something you love, yet wondering whether it was worth having to live on nothing but Taco Hell burritos for a month to do it? Like Marvin Gaye said, the artist pays the price so you don't have to pay. Maybe not literally in this case, but bear in mind that if they do go to Seattle and do that $5 show, they won't make any money from it. The Roots have bust their asses to get this far, and people still want it on a plate. Damn, I think I'd give up...<P>paz,<P>Pablo<BR>"Why don't you check out your mind, it's been with you all the time" - The Impressions<P>"Gimme a dope beat and I'm all in it" - Gang Starr "Mass Appeal"<P>"If something is yours by right, fight for it. Or else shut up" - unknown voice, Main Source's "Vamos A Rapiar"<P>"You can't touch the effervescence" - Tajai Massey, Souls Of Mischief 1999

Look...I appreciate the fact that the Roots are willing to do a $5 show, don't get me wrong. As a matter of fact, I'm wondering why so cheap...hell, I'd be willing to pay $20 as longs they ACTUALLY DO THE SHOW...you know what I'm saying. Hey Roots, don't sell yourself short...charge more but, just make sure you show up. Peace.

That's not even the issue. I'm sure everyone in Seattle would be willing to pay $20 like Crossfaded said. But Quest knows he messed up with the whole Bumbershoot and is rightfully correcting this wrong. The last time I checked the Hieroglyphics were doing quite well on their independent label. There are many others too. Quest thanks for making it all-ages.<P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

If the Roots don't perform where you live regularly, go see them somewhere else. <BR>If you have more important stuff to do or you don't have a car to go there, too bad, but don't blame the Roots for not having a car, or for YOU making the decision not to go cos you have other priorities.<P>It's been said a zillion times already (and I'm afraid we'll have more posts like this in the future), but try to understand the way the music industry works, and if you desperately want to blame someone, blame the right people (promoters).<P>i live in Ghent, Belgium, have seen The Roots 3 times in Brussels already. The last TFA-tour they didn't perform in Belgium. I could have said 'What ? They don't perform in Europe's capital ? How can they front on us' <BR>But instead I went to see them in Amsterdam. It would have been very convenient for ME if they had performed in Brussels, but so what ? It means no promoter wanted to book them for a Belgian date. <BR>I don't whine, I mean : this is life. You're gonna get what you want sometimes, but you're gonna be disappointed every now and then too. If you don't start accepting that, you'll end up frustrated and bitter. I don't want that to happen to noone, so PLEASE chill from time to time. <P>And if ?uest wasn't replying your emails, BE PATIENT. You don't know how many emails he gets a day, plus they're on the road constantly. I have a lot less work to do than The Roots, still I'm not on the boards as much as The Roots. <BR>And don't say 'it's their job, so they have to be there', cos it's not. How many other artists do the same thing Ahmir Thompson do ? <BR>On one hand you say we think The Roots are god (which I think most of us don't, they're just nice people), but at the same time you try to make 'm almighty, by expecting them to control the places to tour, the ticket price, whether or not there's alcohol being served. <P>I understand that some of us might feel that it would be better if The Roots followed this or that particular route, but that's your opinion. You're welcome to give it (in a polite, respectful manner), but don't expect The Roots to thank you for your advice and do as you tell. <BR>They make their own decisions, it's their lives, art, families and careers involved. They're the best judges of their interest.<P>krewc<P><a href="http://urgent.rug.ac.be/vinylators">http://urgent.rug.ac.be/vinylators<;/a><P>'pardon my expression, but I'm a tear shit up'-Kane<BR>

In defense of the Roots I'd like to make this statment:<P>As a concert promoter I tried to bring as many hip hop acts (Tha Alkaholiks, Hieroglyphics, RAHZEL((where you there)), The GZA/Genius, etc...) as possible to RKCNDY, an all-ages venue. I just wanted you to know the fact the Roots NEVER played an all ages show in the Seattle area because of their booking agent having a long standing working relationship with a certain promoter who does all of their shows at The Showbox and Aro.Space (both 21 and over venues) who really doesn't care whether the 18 to 20 year old fans ever get to see their favorite artist because it would be too much trouble for them (working around the infamous Seattle teen dance ordinace)and partly because their out of touch with the HIP HOP audience anyway.<P>SO THIS REALLY ISN'T AN ARTIST PROBLEM IT'S JUST AN UNFORTUNATE POLITICAL SITUATION FOR THE PACIFIC NW! <P>P.S. Sorry to those fans that I disappointed by moving to Atlanta, I know there isn't another promoter in Seattle willing to make the sacrifices that I made to make sure that the youth continue to get the opportunity to see live hip-hop. (Had to move for family reasons) <P>***NOTE to the Roots-I'm not saying there is anything wrong with said booking agent's exclusive working relationship with this promoter. (I also agree that she is one of the best in the business)<P>PEACE

I guess the real deal is that this cat was extremely disappointed in not being able to access the Roots on his terms...even tho many caustic arguments have ensued, it points to the real depth of admiration for the illadelph kings, but bottomline, a true fan remains a true fan, no matter what!!!!!I haven't seen the Roots since 96 at the Masquarade in ATL, but shit, I rep them 24/8.There are 2 many factors on the business side for The Roots to be in full control of every individual venue, so unless you are on the friggin road with them day in/day out, there's NO way for some of these idotic rantings on these boards to have any basis in reality...watchagonna do when some real thugs roll up on you and you ain't got your crew?(thats to all you cyberthugs who pop ish on the boards but would probably drop loads if ?uestlove and Kamal rolled up in your piece...nothing worse than cats who front)<BR>The Roots gotta be feeling frustrated at times too, and it ain't about bozackriding either...its about real business with real musicians with real challenges to provide real hip hop music to real fans, and to even submit the accusation that the Roots don't really love every single fan and consciously make an effort to piss on their following, young and old, must be a pimpb*tchslap to their collective rosy cheeks!<BR>If you get a chance to see the show, cool, rep them because they deserve it...<BR>If they happen to cancel a show, rep them because more than likely circumstances beyond their immediate control came about...<BR>If you get a chance to buy one of their gems, rep them, because ain't no other hip hop band rippin ish like they do...<BR>And if you are still sleepin on them or can't feel what I'm saying, GET THE FUCK UP(outta this site)!<P><BR>"I'm the psycho(time to catch a bodaaaay!!)The Four Horsemen<BR>"I'm surgin up when I'm emergin..." Pharoah Monch

You ungrateful Bastard!!!!!!!!!!!<P>"You couldnt catch me in the street without a ton f reefer thats like Malcolm X catchin a jungle feever."- Nas

I'm going to make a comment away from the topic and step away from this a level. I think a lot of people in here have a lot of nerve to lecture the brotha (or whoever)that posted, about the way he posted in here, when almost everyone in here came back at him with negtative energy and no sense. A case of the Pot calling the kettle black maybe? He's a fan, that's why he's pissed, he is as much one of you as anyone else. He may be irrate as ish but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a right to the way he feels. <P>If most of ya'll have managed to remain calm about the fact that you don't have easy access to the Roots, that's on you and goody for you, but he's reacting different and he shouldn't be ganged up on for pointing out some very valid points. There are two sides to this story, everyone jumped on the Roots side without even dissecting the post enough to say that "maybe" the brotha had a point. No i didnt' like the way that he went about getting his frustrations out, i thought he was a little extra, but i do give him props for coming here and saying what he had to say straight out.<P>There are far too many "psuedo" industry people in this site, trying to give out information about a scene and scenario they aren't even completely sure of. Most of you aren't even in the business, that's pretty clear so spare the lecture. The brotha was talking about his business and like he and his partner said they were trying to bring a concert into happening so i think that they have some kind of clue. And no, i'm not in the business, i've only been exposed to it, but i know enough to know that a lot of you were talking "ish". The Roots ARE partly responsible, that doesn't mean that I think that they are assholes, i think it's an oversight. When you are busy you are busy, you deal with things one day at a time and try to balance all the things that are thrown at you. I don't expect them to have a moment when they're like "Hey, i know we got a show in an hour, but since we have a moment of peace, let's sit down and plan, how, when and where, we're going to rock Seattle!". At the same time it's big enough of a city to count when touring.<P>So this isn't to who posted or to any of the member of the Roots that's feeling pissed in response, they have a right to it because that ish was directed at them and they're just out there trying to do their best. This issue is theirs and really no one else's. So this is, instead, to all the people in this place that think that stardom makes you infalliable and being a layman makes you significanlty less. These were two sides to this, both with two valid arguements and most of you in here didn't even bother to give both parties a chance or listen above and beyond the anger. Instead you chose to contribute to the negativity. Look i'm no flower child, but still that's really sad ya'll. Then again who am I to say shit right? because i'm sure that will be the posts that get flung at me in response to all this.<P>Peace<P><BR>Don't bother trying to ghet-to know me. If you know yourself and the role you play in, and the relationship you have with, the world, then we already know each other and introductions aren't necessary.

I didn't necessarily agree with the tone in which my homie Broke presented his argument, but like you said, he has some valid points.<BR>The reason I chose to post his essay was because both of us had emailed Quest earlier in a professional manner to try and get an all-ages show with no response.<BR>Obviously when the issue becomes open to the Okayplayer board Quest has to address the issue and speak his side of the story. Obviously he felt some of that since he took the time and effort to respond.<P>"We all be kinda fly, just can't be afraid to spread your wings."<BR> -Dre of Outkast "ATLiens"

Man, I came online, searching for "Seattle" in hopes someone would know what venue the show's gonna be at by now. I stumbled across this thread and I cannot believe the negativity and lack of appreciation. <P>?uestlove bends over backwards to come back to Seattle and this is what he gets??? Damn, this brother comes up on the web and answers questions from fans all over the world on a regular basis, this on top of a heavy touring and recording schedule. You think he has time to answer your email 8 nanoseconds after you write it?<P>You guys are UNIVERSITY STUDENTS? Now I HOPE you're not Music Business majors... cause you got a few things to learn. Enough of that.<P>?uestlove, thank you for showing love to Seattle. Even if you missed Bumbershoot, you cared enough to send Scratch, Scott Storch, Dice Raw, Kenny X etc. Thank you for taking time out of your day to make an EFFORT to come to Seattle, most of us appreciate it and look forwarding to seeing you on the 23rd. Peace.

First off, let me tell you that the show is at DV8 and the tickets are $8 (I already got mine).<P>Now, I am one of the original "critics/seattle kids/whatever else we've been called", and I don't think anyone expected quest to reply "8 nanoseconds later"...in fact, a reply was never requested as far as I can remember. The title of the original post was "Roots, You Better READ (emphasis added) this", not "you better answer this".<P>The fact that we are university students means nothing. And never have anyone of us claimed we "know how the business works".<P>One last thing...the name of the show is called "The Redemption Show". That's about as close as you can get to admitting that Seattle was "shitted on" without actually admitting, right or wrong? Cuz if not there'd be nothing to redeem? right? Peace.<P>Respectfully,<P>Crossfaded<P><P>"I drop bombs like one-armed wide receivers" -- Ras Kass

Yeah I said it! For record sales to be 29,000 y'awl know how to a bitch a lot. Tell your punk ass college to call Cara Lewis like every other college in the states and HIRE the Roots! "Oooh, I'm in college and I can't go to a show b/c I'm under 21" Waaa Waaa fuckinWAAAA. Do you whine at the casinos too, how about buying alcohol, is it UNFAIR college boy? You guys are idiots. I'm am so tired of all of these muthafuckin okers actin' like the Rots owe them shit! You don't even know how much people bust their asses doing fuckin 20 shows in a matter of 30 days, but bitch and moan is all we get. KEEP YOUR PUNK ASS AT HOME THEN, PUNK. I'll be there and I don't need no damn internet screen to hide. Fuck this and fuck y'awl. Getting next to nothing bastards just to make up for the last shit. . . hellfuckin lo? KNow some shit about the music industry first before you start talking shit.<BR>Until then, pull up your training pants youngster.<BR>Tiny

It's people like you that give hip hop a bad name<P>John

>It's people like you that give hip <BR>>hop a bad name <BR>>John <P><BR>IF yall only knew the shit that tina puts up with.....and yall are probably the same cats that think "HIgh And Migthy" are dope as hell, "Company Flow" is "real hip-hop" and that WU-tang is still "dope" if you gonnna diss tina, at least know what she does for "hip-hop" before you accuse her of givin it a bad name, on the contrary, suckas like you that dont know hip-hop history give hip-hop a bad name......and i just know that you really dont know shit about hip-hop, so i dont even have to assume!<P><BR>One Love<BR>RamXL<BR>(b-boy advocate)<P>"guess who bringin the get-busy back/ women say the sound of my voice/an aphrodisiac/ okayplayer.com where you can hit me at" Tyriq<P>"I aint a perfect man, im tryin to do the best that I can, with what it is I have" Mos Def<P>"the title on my book binding/is advanced mic science/a champion can only rest at the place where the title is" Mos Def<BR>

...because I smell the savory aroma of rotting horse flesh festering in the hot sun. Mmmmm...<P>But seriously though, everybody needs to step back and take a deep breath. Count to a hundred. A thousand, if you will. A million, if need be.<P>Please. For everybody's well-being.<P><BR>"Densetsu no hitokiri, Himura Battousai." - Some dead Japanese guy<BR>"Mweh. Heh. Heh." - Me<BR>"Y'all sound drunk." - Thought<BR>"I need a cough drop. Now." - Karina-chan after the Stanford show