I am not knocking drum machines. I like when its done creatively and they use alot different drum sounds. For instance autechre is one group that has amazing programming on their albums. Another is aphex twin. Squarepusher and Prince in the 80's had pretty nice drum programming with the LINN. Why the thud snare? Thats all im getting at ... I know alot drummers who would be like why the heck is there no snare sound hardly? Rimshots a good example of somebody playing this out is on Erykah Badu. Every single track sounded almost the same type of drums its like hardly any diversity. <P><BR>"Course thats my opinion I could be wrong" <P>