well quez, you say false as in noun being church. but my point was that it doesnt only have to be the church, but many other false (not sure if you got that or not). again, not able to read commons mind, but it does broaden the discussion, right.<P>even if it was the false as in noun being church, isnt it possible even for a Christian to see that there are plenty of people in the church who profit by telling us we are born sinners (whether or not we actually are?) Assuming your uncle is a righteous man, he might take offense to the fact that there are people in the church (those who truly live the basic tenets of the Christian church)who are not hypocrites who say that we are born sinners and are justified and who live righteous lives--and common seems to be taking issue with them also.<P>sure its a double meaning ( or triple or quadruple). not sure unless we hear from the man himself.<P>but its been fun chatting with you.<P>peace,<BR>computer love