In the upcomin movie I was wonderin if Thought kisses his co-star. Im crossin my fingers that he doesnt especially since he takes the pro black stance. Dont worry though I will c the movie...... on bootlegg if he does. Y shld I pay doe to s a man I consider top-notch kissin on a chick of a different persuausion? Snipes already did that n Mekhi Phfiffer is bout 2 take the same darn route.It wld b ill if yall did a show at Medgar Evers College in Crown Heights,Bk. Im sure yall will c alot of blk heads that support yall there. One

due to the controversy that the "jew girl" caused the movie. she's been replaced by the jawn who plays laura on family matters. we are reshooting now. so it's safe to see the movie now.<P><P><P><P><P><BR>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

People who don't understand the history of Crown Heights will never get this film.<P>As much as I love that Laura chick (she can get it FOR REAL!!! hahaha), the film would have more bite if the jew was kept in...<P>Uno<BR>Improv!?<P>Support Okayplayer.com and <a href="http://www.Boondocks.net" target="_blank">http://www.Boondocks.net<;/a> (for all you lazy mofos lol)<P>"We younger Negro artists who create now intend to express our individual dark-skinned selves without fear or shame. If white people are pleased we are glad. If they are not, it doesn`t matter. We know we are beautiful. And ugly too. The tom-tom cries and the tom-tom laughs. If colored people are pleased we are glad. If they are not, their displeasure doesn`t matter either. We build our temples for tomorrow, strong as we know how, and we stand on top of the mountain, free within ourselves." --Langston Hughes

hey no hating on "Laura" pple say we look alike!! <img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/happy.gif"><BR> <BR> <BR>-----------------------<P>"I smiled at her and talked to her and treated her as if she were beautiful, not making a pass at her or anything. And she smiled, caught off guard, she wasn't expecting it. Her whole attitude changed and she became more beautiful. And as she walked out it made me think of all y'all. And how,<P>If you treat a woman beautiful, beauty will manifest (inside and out).<P>Don't complain about a person's meanness until you supply them sufficient chance to be beautiful."- box <P><BR>"May your life speak as loudly as your words"<BR><a href="http://home.talkcity.com/reflectionsrd/bonamie" target="_blank">http://home.talkcity.com/reflectionsrd/bonamie<;/a><P>When u have read all posts....<BR><a href="http://www.BlackPlanet.com/Referrals/bonamie" target="_blank">http://www.BlackPlanet.com/Referrals/bonamie<;/a>/<P><P><BR>

yo quest-<BR> why in 2000 is it still acceptable to be ignorant about/ hateful towrds jewish culture and jews,in ways that are remisant of the stereotypes and beliefs that have caused so many deaths and so much destruction for the Jewish people. Even on these boards were most peopel usually seem like they know where their heads are, I see. I dont know if you were jolking about the substitution of Laura, but i was looking foward to this movie as a major experience.I was very eager to see how two of my favorite artists, thought and spike( spike is directing this, right?) deal with this issue. Its something real close to home for me, a very proud jew, a hip-hop fan and a new yorker.<BR> one<BR> text<BR> "one who forgets anything his eyes have seen has caused great injury to his soul." Rabbi Meir

SA-DA-TAY!<P>I AM BLACK MUSIC<P>"See what I mean? You motherfucking crybabies? Get in line punk! You should be studying your odds, instead of studying me. That's how you lost the first time." Ghostmotherfuckingface Killah<P>"Now, who else wanna fuck with Hollywood Coles?"- Dre/Kast<P>"Shining star 4 you to see, what you're life can truly be" - Earth Wind & Me<P>"If trouble were money, I swear I'd be a millionaire" - Stokely/MintCondition<P>"Mama said, alligators are ornery cause they got all those teeth and no toothbrush" - Adam Sandler/Waterboy<P>

"Brooklyn Babylon", directed by...MARC LEVIN (NOT Sheldon Spike Lee. Levin, also director of films such as "SLAM" & "Whiteboys"(with Danny Hoch)and also creator of award winning documentaries such as, "Bangning in Little Rock" , "Thug Life in D.C." , "The Execution Machine...Texas Death Row" as well as others.<P>Spikes current film though, is titled Bamboozeled (OkayPlayers very own The Legendary Roots Crew have a minimal role in the film)<P>CamHasFilmRelatedInternships

What exactly, or who, decided that a reshoot would be the best move? IMO that's complete bull shit.<P>-cass<P>"Some people thrive in change others flounder in routine." -kelino

especially since he takes the <BR>>pro black stance. <P><BR>um, what is the pro black stance? just wonderin'. is it like a fraternity pledge? i wanna pledge.<P><P><BR>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

Maybe it's a lawt like a "buffalo stance" - only cooler....<BR>Dove<BR>~Sheepish Lordess of Chaos~<P>People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do.<P>"...its about time that we get back 2 the true essence in many aspects of life. folks so busy with tha peel they forget about the banana.." - Okayplayer Nubia<P>

That must be like some sort of a B-Boy Stance(see Vanilla Ice with arms folded across his chest looking like someone just stepped on his sunday shoes) only blacker. I told BT to stay off the Kente Cloth and African pride medalions but he wouldn't listen. Now look what he's gotten in...<BR>Ha Ha<BR>For all you new okayplayers who don't know, the best way to get at least 60 reponsesto your post is to question Tariq's role (and the jew's too)in Brooklyn Babylon...<BR>Forget Lara, I think they should use Mariah Carey instead. The audience would be too confused to critiscize... <BR>-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-<BR>March 28th seems such a long wait.<BR>You know how albums get pushed back? Can they also be pushed "forward"?<BR>-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_<BR>

Cause the black women on these boards care a little too much about who he's kissing. I'm not being sarcastic or anything, but please don't be so preoccupied with a film. I'm just glad to see a black man on the big screen where they aren't "afraid" to show him kissing a white girl. It's entertainment, that's all, nothing more. <P>SA-DA-TAY!<P>I AM BLACK MUSIC<P>"See what I mean? You motherfucking crybabies? Get in line punk! You should be studying your odds, instead of studying me. That's how you lost the first time." Ghostmotherfuckingface Killah<P>"Now, who else wanna fuck with Hollywood Coles?"- Dre/Kast<P>"Shining star 4 you to see, what you're life can truly be" - Earth Wind & Me<P>"If trouble were money, I swear I'd be a millionaire" - Stokely/MintCondition<P>"Mama said, alligators are ornery cause they got all those teeth and no toothbrush" - Adam Sandler/Waterboy<P>

Im glad that He Got a "black girl" cause I Personally WOuldnt wanna see any brotha put his lips opn a white girl. <P><BR>the revolution has begun <BR>@<BR><a href="http://ill-matik.8m.com" target="_blank">http://ill-matik.8m.com<;/a>

SA-DA-TAY!<P>I AM BLACK MUSIC<P>"See what I mean? You motherfucking crybabies? Get in line punk! You should be studying your odds, instead of studying me. That's how you lost the first time." Ghostmotherfuckingface Killah<P>"Now, who else wanna fuck with Hollywood Coles?"- Dre/Kast<P>"Shining star 4 you to see, what you're life can truly be" - Earth Wind & Me<P>"If trouble were money, I swear I'd be a millionaire" - Stokely/MintCondition<P>"Mama said, alligators are ornery cause they got all those teeth and no toothbrush" - Adam Sandler/Waterboy<P>

Wow... honestly peeps on here about as dense as bricks... Im gonna sit down and count how many people took quest seriously... THEN im gonna clown the ones that took it seriously AND were glad, like.. (In Martin Lawrence's white man voice)"Oh good its about time someone did something about this".<P>Baaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha... <P>This isnt directed at the folks who thought he was for real but were upset. Just those fools who were actually HOPING this would happen... <P>This goes out to y'all... <BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<BR>*SMACK*<P>"Dont come around here no mo..."-Tom Petty. Baaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha<P>oneLOVE.<P>OkayBoricua known as... Mil<P><BR>"I effin LOVE this song!"-Nikki (Asialove)<BR>"Thats my thing.... haa haa... put that bitch in QUOTES!"-Nikki (Asialove)<BR>"Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret: The million other straws underneath it - it's all mathematics"-Mos Def<BR>"Say they want you successful, but that ain't the case. You livin large, your skin is dark, they flash a light in your face."-Mos Def<BR>"So I remain the main master of ceremonials, like Puerto Rico remains imprisoned by colonials"-Q-Unique (I think)<P>Rest In Peace Christopher Rios, aka Big Punisher.<P>"That's how the city be, everybody gettin they hustle on, Judge singin death penalty like it's his favorite fuckin song. Word is bond, takin my life you know they lovin it... God 'F' the government and it's fuckin capital punishment!"-Big Pun<P>"Get off your high horse, or die off like an extinction, Boricuas are like Mohicans, 'The Last of the Po'Ricans'"-Big Pun<BR>

This is the second time I got got and I ain't too happy about it, numbnuts <img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/happy.gif"><P>Uno<BR>Improv!?<P>Support Okayplayer.com and <a href="http://www.Boondocks.net" target="_blank">http://www.Boondocks.net<;/a> (for all you lazy mofos lol)<P>"We younger Negro artists who create now intend to express our individual dark-skinned selves without fear or shame. If white people are pleased we are glad. If they are not, it doesn`t matter. We know we are beautiful. And ugly too. The tom-tom cries and the tom-tom laughs. If colored people are pleased we are glad. If they are not, their displeasure doesn`t matter either. We build our temples for tomorrow, strong as we know how, and we stand on top of the mountain, free within ourselves." --Langston Hughes

In the upcomin movie I was wonderin if the white girl kisses her co-star. Im crossin my fingers that she doesnt especially since she takes the pro white stance. Dont worry though I will c the movie...... on bootlegg if she does. Y shld I pay doe to s a woman I consider top-notch kissin on a cat of a different persuausion? It wld b ill if yall did a show at bob jones university in south carolina. Im sure yall will c alot of white heads that support yall there. One <P><BR>guinness's song of the week: "wu-banger" -- by ghostface killah

i'm sorry. all we can do now is crack up. guin this made my day. i wish now motherfuckers can see how bullshit they sound. lol!!!!!!<P><P><P><P><BR>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

I could just kiss you!!! Um.... wait a minute though.... are you a black guy??? Wouldn't want to cause a fuss.... <img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/wink.gif"><BR>Dove<BR>~Sheepish Lordess of Chaos~<P>People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do.<P>"...its about time that we get back 2 the true essence in many aspects of life. folks so busy with tha peel they forget about the banana.." - Okayplayer Nubia<P>

that's quality right there. georg wilhelm friedrich hegel (that's my dad) would be proud. lol.<P><a href="http://www.thehungersite.com" target="_blank">http://www.thehungersite.com<;/a><P>"I ain't no goddamn son of a bitch--you'd better think about it, baby!"<BR> --Glenn Danzig (Misfits)<P>"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

Guinness..just wanted to let you know that THAT was funny....best response this thread could have!!<P>much love,<BR>Kyle

Peace and love,<BR>-Ben (iLL)<P><P>"We Love Hip Hop!" -The Cake<P>A man that works with his hands is a laborer; a man who works with his brain is a craftsman; but a man who works with his hands and his brain and his heart is an artist. -Louis Nizer<P>If your bayonet breaks, strike with the stock; if the stock gives way, hit with your fist; if your fist are hurt, bite with your teeth. -M.I. Dragomiroff <P>I can't knock you for not knowing/ But I could for you not wanting to learn/ Nor for asking/ But I could for you not willing to earn/ No I can't, for someone to even havta tell me twice/ So this music is my sacrifice/ So I be dedicated, determinated, and dependable/ To demonstrate directly/ And use the opportunity correctly/ So forget the gold teeth/ Forget the bald head/ forget it sound country/ Just remember what I said... -Atlanta's own Cee-Loo

he could do the movie in the makeup that Eddie Murphy used in Saturday Night Live, so he "looks" white? They could play that movie in the white neighborhoods. And/or we could put the girl in blackface like Bojangles? For the black "hood". That would be best, they wouldn't wanna "offend" anyone? I mean entertainment is here to cater to the masses, and segragation at the movies is alive and kicking in North America!<P>SA-DA-TAY!<P>I AM BLACK MUSIC<P>"See what I mean? You motherfucking crybabies? Get in line punk! You should be studying your odds, instead of studying me. That's how you lost the first time." Ghostmotherfuckingface Killah<P>"Now, who else wanna fuck with Hollywood Coles?"- Dre/Kast<P>"Shining star 4 you to see, what you're life can truly be" - Earth Wind & Me<P>"If trouble were money, I swear I'd be a millionaire" - Stokely/MintCondition<P>"Mama said, alligators are ornery cause they got all those teeth and no toothbrush" - Adam Sandler/Waterboy<P>

I had to sleep with the director to get Rik in the movie. He wanted an "exoctic" Black chick and I gave it to him. What we sistahs won't do for our black men who end up kissing white girls. FOR SHAME!<BR>Tiny

I could see doing Quentin Tarantino or Woody Allen but Spike is a stretch!<P>SA-DA-TAY!<P>I AM BLACK MUSIC<P>"See what I mean? You motherfucking crybabies? Get in line punk! You should be studying your odds, instead of studying me. That's how you lost the first time." Ghostmotherfuckingface Killah<P>"Now, who else wanna fuck with Hollywood Coles?"- Dre/Kast<P>"Shining star 4 you to see, what you're life can truly be" - Earth Wind & Me<P>"If trouble were money, I swear I'd be a millionaire" - Stokely/MintCondition<P>"Mama said, alligators are ornery cause they got all those teeth and no toothbrush" - Adam Sandler/Waterboy<P>

michael levin did this film (slam.1998)<P>spike did our next film Bamboozeled.<P><P><P>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

>michael levin did this film (slam.1998) <BR>>spike did our next film Bamboozeled. <P>I LOVE IT!! QUEST GOES HOLLYWOOD! Next thing u know he'll be crashin' his Viper (w/ token white girl in the car) after a hard night of booze, coke and partying, land in rehab for overworked drummers, and still have time to tour with D'Angelo!! <BR>><BR>><BR>>THE SOULQUARIANS chewy (quest).....jan luke (d)........feb <BR>>lando (jaydee)......feb cp30 (james poyser).....jan r2d2 <BR>>(jazzy jeff)......jan hans (chaos)........jan anakin (lil <BR>>mike)......feb <BR>>honorary members: kelo- soulacorn.......jan common- soulcies......march erykah- <BR>>soulcies......feb <P><BR>

he did that america undercover thing on HBO, too, right? about jails and shit?

I know we say it everytime somebody comes on the boards and posts something like that...but...this guy/girl whatever the hell it is just wants attention...uh-ten-shin..."i'll still go see it...bootlegged if he kisses her"...come ON...s/he is just trying to piss off the sensitive okayplayers...so...no need to get huffy puffy...and ?uest...you shoulda picked the the Olsen twins...and if you're gonna change that...you might as well just drop Tariq and replace him with...hmm...how about Cosby? That would be a dope movie...and change the plot...I mean why make a movie that causes controversy and makes people think about themselves? You could just make Mystery Men 2...daaaang, get the director on the phone and tell him WHAT'S UP...this movie is gonna top Titanic...I'm sure glad this post was made to help us all realize how stupid it was to make/see a movie with somebody kissing a woman of a different race...wow, I don't know why I never took offense to this before...I just want to thank you...as well as the three other people who posted this EXACT same topic over the last 2 months...really though, thanks<P><P>"Webster's don't know jack" me<BR>"CARROTS" me<BR>"The system is screwed" me

what an original post...<BR>(this is one of the reasons the okplayer forum is the weakest...the same damn topics OVER and OVER again)<BR>--res-one--><BR>LPP for life (light pockets posse)<BR>peace, okayplayers...<P><BR>"I'm on my own dick, like sleepin on my stomach"- AG<P>knowledge, wisdom, and understanding: with these three elements of life, we must build a better world, teach the young and old, use natural resources to uplift the people, not to make individuals rich, but to put the Human mind back on the right path and get rid of sick racist mentalities.- Afrika Baambaataa<P><BR><a href="http://www.mumia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mumia.org<;/a><BR><a href="http://www.thehungersite.com" target="_blank">http://www.thehungersite.com<;/a>

> what an original post...<BR>>(this is one of the reasons the okplayer forum is the weakest...the same damn topics OVER and OVER again)<BR>>--res-one--><P>I guess the 1,000 threads in OkayArtists for Com's album (that hasn't even come out yet) doesn't count then!? LOL<P>Peace2U,<BR>Re Alief<P>put HaK on!: <a href="http://www.h8r.com/mtv/form.htm" target="_blank">http://www.h8r.com/mtv/form.htm<;/a><P><a href="http://www.BlackPlanet.com/Referrals/Re_Alief" target="_blank">http://www.BlackPlanet.com/Referrals/Re_Alief<;/a>/<P>Black Lily pix:<BR><a href="http://homepages.go.com/~rlbk/albums/album" target="_blank">http://homepages.go.com/~rlbk/albums/album<;/a>/ - updated 12/3/99 (9 pix added)<P>The Key club pix:<BR><a href="http://homepages.go.com/~blaktwin2/albums/OKP_at_the_Key_Club" target="_blank">http://homepages.go.com/~blaktwin2/albums/OKP_at_the_Key_Club<;/a>/<P>Sugah's (aka Suki SULI) published '98 poem :<BR><a href="http://www.rhapsodyinblack.com/98Summer/ea.html#HeavenonEarth" target="_blank">http://www.rhapsodyinblack.com/98Summer/ea.html#HeavenonEarth<;/a> & her page at BlackPlanet: <a href="http://www.BlackPlanet.com/Members/MyPage/viewpage.html?MEMBER=SukiSuli" target="_blank">http://www.BlackPlanet.com/Members/MyPage/viewpage.html?MEMBER=SukiSuli<;/a> <img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/happy.gif">

I personally as a African American Male, am sick and muthafuckin tired of the mutha-fuckin (as used in "from Niggas to Gods by Akil" of our brothas neglectin our beutiful black sistas wether it be as simple as a kiss in a movie. These are the same people who slaughtered our anscestors and threw them to the sharks as they died on the slave ships till sharks followed the slave ships for food. These are the same Motha-fuckas (yes i mean motha-fuckas (they fucked our great great great granMothers) ) who tore apart African mens bodies to show the other slaves what exactly would happen if they ran (and yes sometimes for entertainment) Why would any Brotha / sister would want to grace his lips on such evil. I hope Tariq would not go out like that. As Evil travels through ones heriditary like the Sickle cell trait. <P>the revolution has begun<BR>@<BR><a href="http://ill-matik.8m.com" target="_blank">http://ill-matik.8m.com<;/a><P>ill~est<P>e-mail me some time MahAgany<P>illmatik_webmassa@ill-matik.8m.com<P>or<P>illmatik_site@hotmail.com

Aight... well, Im here to please.<P>Wow... first off. Youre a moron. Wait.. thats a "Moron" with a capital M. You are a member of The Church of Retarded Day Saints. Heres your membership card. Now. Why possesed your tiny little pea sized brain to post this? Wow... This is really a remarkably ignorant statement. I commend you for now watering down your statement. To do so would be an injustice to the stupidity of your message. To "dress it up", would be an insult to all the Klan members who have worked so hard to become the stupidest members of society. Boy... you really gave them a run for their money though.. Wow! I thought you had them til right on the end. <P>Hey!!! The race isnt over!!!!!!!! Make some more stupid comments! <P>oneLOVE.<P>OkayBoricua known as... Mil<P><BR>"I effin LOVE this song!"-Nikki (Asialove)<BR>"Thats my thing.... haa haa... put that bitch in QUOTES!"-Nikki (Asialove)<BR>"Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret: The million other straws underneath it -it's all mathematics"-Mos Def<BR>"Say they want you successful, but that ain't the case. You livin large, your skin is dark, they flash a light in your face."-Mos Def<BR>"So I remain the main master of ceremonials, like Puerto Rico remains imprisoned by colonials"-Q-Unique (I think)<P>Rest In Peace Christopher Rios, aka Big Punisher.<P>"That's how the city be, everybody gettin they hustle on, Judge singin death penalty like it's his favorite fuckin song. Word is bond, takin my life you know they lovin it... God 'F' the government and it's fuckin capital punishment!"-Big Pun<P>"Get off your high horse, or die off like an extinction, Boricuas are like Mohicans, 'The Last of the Po'Ricans'"-Big Pun<BR>

You Have your Opinion I Have Mine, I Understand FUlly what Quest is saying, But do we really need to Show "Interracial relationships" on the big screen as if they will be "peachy Keen" in the end? I Mean seriously.....think about this.. How many "black Men & white women" I mean your average everyday brotha....can possibly have a interracial rerlationship with the chances of it working being over 50 % ? No major film has touched on the subject thouroughly... and for you to say they have is Ignorant moranic, and just utter bullshit.....thats like saying "teen summit" will ever talk about the sex in videos shown on BET affect our youth. Of course they wont... Because thats what makes the channel what it is. PERIOD. Open your eyes to the truth of the matter the way people are influenced these days another brotha kissin a white girl in the movies will lead to more brothas treating "white women" better then they treat their own. It's a known fact that black and latino women get the shit end of the stick anyway. Just listen to what comes out of your friends mouth and your girl freinds mouth "girl he likes you" the respone "oh he/she is black as fuck", but there is a window of oportunity for a white person? Logically does that make sense? why do women put perms in their hair? "the straighter look" "oh my hair is too nappy" but thats its original texture. WHite women do wonders tryin to get our texture and your gonna put the same chemicals in your hair that read on the back "Do not use while Pregnant could cause birth defects?" All these spawn from something as small as a misconception From a kiss on the screen. We need more movies to neutralize thgis with black women kissing black men (that arent corny) then I would be less offended to seeing a black man kiss a whitew woman. but until that day I stand by what I say.<P><BR><a href="http://ill-matik.8m.com" target="_blank">http://ill-matik.8m.com<;/a><P>the revolution has began<P>ill~est<P>"Elvis presly aint got no soul,<BR>Bo diddly is rock and roll,<BR>ya main digga on the rollin stones,<BR>He aint come up wit dat shit on his own~<BR>I guess thats the way it goes,<BR>Steal our clothes and try and say they yours~<BR>the same society that Pimps the hoes~<P>-Mos def ROck and ROll

The same man who'll diss a SISTAH FOR a white woman, the same man who will choose a white woman OVER a black woman, proved countless times over and OVER again, the same man who'll have his woman work before he does and call her a Bitch in the end to win a Grammy. PUHLEASE, don't make it seem like black men are all goodie goodie. I don't see no slave masters running around making niggas beat on they women! How many times have I heard from white men, especially those that work around successful black men (i.e entertainment, sports) "Why don't black men treat black women very well?" Uh, the "jig" is up (pun intended). Come on now. I realize many of y'all are new in school just learning the black power stuff, I remember it well, but slow your roll.<BR>IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE!!! Why NOT show it on the big screen. You mean lie so that folks don't see y'alls weakness? Give me a fuckin' break. Y'all are silly. Black folks fight for freedom and still use the same excuses to make up for apparent weaknesses that we've been given plenty of options to get over. I gotta get off this damn thread. Ya'll are makin' my butt itch.<BR>Tiny

First Of all Don't Generalize me w/ the rest till you know me personally. I never have and will hit a woman. Especially a black woman. Secondly I will never date or even associate with a white woman no matter my status, I will only associate in the business aspect of white people because I have to. You sound idiotic to say "because you just started school and are on this black power trip" WTF?! Once again I been in college probably longer then you have and have accomplished much more then most sitting here typing and posting on this board so dont make statements about what you don't know. I dropped out of High school @ 16 years of age when a skinhead @ my school killed my girlfreind and my cousin. I got my GED. Started taking night classes at Parkland Community College...I started going full time that following semester, and as of right now Im attending My first semseter as a Senior @ the University of illinois @ champaign Urbana. I will be graduating on time next year, and have already been excepted for graduates school here @ the university of illinois. I been talking about the same issues since the 8th grade. My mother is mulatto and my father being a 5 star general of the Black p-StoneRiders or BPSN. The second largest gang in Illinois other then Gangsta Disciple (G.D). I know all about struggle, and have had many Run ins with the cops because of who my father is. My mother put me On this "Black Power trip"......and I will be returning to teach African american studies so no this is'nt just a "phase" this isnt something I'm talking about to pass the time. This is what I live on a daily basis What I entrench Myself in knowing and reading, and soon speaking about. so Get ya facts straight and go scratch ya ass.

Did you realize that everytime you are posting to a thread - and I post back - that you are "associating" with a white woman?! *sigh* I can't help but find that amusing. .....<BR>Anyhow, you are demanding that no one generalize you - yet you are continuing to generalize others.... double standards are a mofo huh?<BR>I'm very sorry to hear about what happened to your family - that is a tragedy and it should never have happened to you.<BR>I personally am rather tired of being generalized myself and would appreciate a little mutual respect. So I guess we agree on yet another point - and that's a good thing. <BR>Dove<BR>~Sheepish Lordess of Chaos~<P>People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do.<P>"...its about time that we get back 2 the true essence in many aspects of life. folks so busy with tha peel they forget about the banana.." - Okayplayer Nubia<P>

Whathisname wrote:<BR>"I never have and will hit a woman. *Especially* a black woman." (Emphasis my own) <P>So you *might* hit a white woman... I mean, she's white, so even though it's bad, it is a bit more acceptable than hitting a black one... right? Just wanted to make sure I understood that correctly...<P>-thebigfunk<BR>~Race/In the space I mark human...~ <BR> - Prince

. . . Facts are based on experience . . . just like yours are based . . and sweetie, my Masters in Clinical Psychology is nothing to sneeze at but congratulations on your educational endeavors. Didn't think I needed a bio, but whatever.<BR>People are generalizing all over this shit . ...just cuz I play devils advocate muthafuckas get all excited, damn.<BR>Honey, many black people have an experience . ..most of the time we "relate" henceforth, it's inbedded in our culture (i.e. your mulatto mama, my mulatto daddy . . . my family used to marry each other to keept he fair skin . .howz that for institutionalized racism)<BR>But being a "person" and dealing with "people" does come with maturity and a sense of being able to handle a situation and your place in society. I'm a black woman, bottom of the damn totem pole. Don't think I don't make it a point to rub success in the white mans face . . .any where I go, i represent something that wasn't supposed to be . . . that's how I fight racism. But it took a long time to overcome and realize limitations and what was just their bullshit. And it ain't over yet, obviously. But going down the line to blame everyone for the state we're in is laborious. If enough people took responsibility for themselves as human beings, I bet racism would change a bit. We have the tools, we need to use them and demand that our voice is heard. I don't believe that a movie about racism and it's perils stops our greater good or our greater movement. The movie is about racism. Not Black Thought kissing a white girl. Check it first. Someone in your family was down, just like my white grand daddy. So don't front. Love a little brotha. <P>Tiny<BR>By the way, ain't nothin' like a good ass scratchin'. I suggest it to one and all.<BR>Tiny

A good Point hence All I can say is I understand<P><P><a href="http://ill-matik.8m.com" target="_blank">http://ill-matik.8m.com<;/a>

yo dude. i know that blacks have been shitted on for eons. but there is a time when you stand on your own two.<P>we are all aware that america is a society that benifents the white male society. i still stand on my own two.<P>everyday as a 6 foot plus 300 lb brillo pad for a head livin' nuh. i experience shit every fuckin day. i see the frown on white people's face when i take that aisle seat on a sold out plane (prayin "god don't sit next to me", movin their child out the middle row, switchin seats so the dad sits next to me and mom is now safe in his seat 4 rows up, only to breathe a sigh of relief when the 6th person asks for an autograph..."to give us more space i'll put my son back in the middle".....now that it's safe. and lets not mention when i go to the paramount, le matage, or the montrose or any of these artsy hotels with dark elevators. i will purposly hold the elevator door open while the scared white couple prays the door closes so they can order another questless elevator....or what about when i'm ina fancy restaurant and they automaticly include tip when it's 4 or more of us.....i can go on and on from the cops to the health food store i shop at to the "good white" mall i buy my shoes from to the company i still get rejected for when it comes to tryin to get a drum endorsement (change the art of playin drums and i still can't get an endorsement)...trust me black race and negetivity is all around. but are you gonna sound like a bitch and bitch.....or are you gonna stand own your own two and move on.<P>now don't confuse this with do i think some sort of reperations are due us? or should blacks pay taxes for 400 years of free labor? i'm more concerned with how the goverment deals with racial injustice then whether or not riq will "go out" for kissin a white girl. y'all act like the boogie man's gonna get you!!! ohhh.... <P>shit use that energy you got and educate heads on mumia, or how to get the goverment from capturin assata from cuba. real race shit. not this kissin bullshit. you know how bitch y'all sound?!?!?!?<P>pardon my french y'all. i can feel a nesta "tsk tsk tsk" post comin now...<P><P><P><P><P><BR>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

<BR>do we really have to talk about this again?<P>give it up, its over u racist, interracial couples on the big screen is a sign of improvement in our culture, it shows that there are less racist fucks like you out there, and more open minded people ready for change. <BR>do u really think America will stay like this?<BR>fuck no, evntually racism WILL wear out.<BR>but we all have to make a concious effort.<P>message to all u "pro-black" motherfuckers...<P>remember that the KKK only claims to be pro-white, thats all <P>if u had the power in this country, would u go around hanging white people?<P>think about it<P>and yes, i am white, and i admit when i see a black man kissing a white woman it makes me feel a little uncomfortable, but i embrace it, and hopefully one day i will think nothing of it <P>with every generation born, racism will fade, the concept of preserving heritage will fade, this is supposed to be a melting pot remember? fuck whoever u are attracted to, simple as that <P>PEACE<BR>TABS

In James Joyce's 'Ulysses', the character Stephen Dedalus talks about awaking from the 'nightmare of history' - OK, he's talking about Irish history - but the idea applies to all history in general. You can't spend the next 400 years moaning about what's happened in the last 400. We remember it, we learn from it, but we have to move on as a society.<P>Peace

DAYUM!!! Can we find a metaphor to use instead of "bitch"? I agree with EVERYTHING you said, and I ain't on no Gloria Steinem shit, but come ON! What does "bitch" sound like? What does "bitch" act like? What does "bitch" look like? A woman? A gay person? I don't get it........................I'm not tryin' to start shit, but DAMN! Ain't no tsk tsk to do with it either.............you grown. But I hate hate hate it when brothers use "bitch" as a metaphor for weak, it's just not fair..........<P>And don't y'all be comin' back jumpin on my shit, either, i just had to get that offa my chest! Carry on.............

I dont like women being called "bitch", but the word has other meanings in this day and age.... and honestly, would anyone say anything if it werent Quest talking?<P>oneLOVE.<P>OkayBoricua known as... Mil<P><BR>"I effin LOVE this song!"-Nikki (Asialove)<BR>"Thats my thing.... haa haa... put that bitch in QUOTES!"-Nikki (Asialove)<BR>"Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret: The million other straws underneath it - it's all mathematics"-Mos Def<BR>"Say they want you successful, but that ain't the case. You livin large, your skin is dark, they flash a light in your face."-Mos Def<BR>"So I remain the main master of ceremonials, like Puerto Rico remains imprisoned by colonials"-Q-Unique (I think)<P>Rest In Peace Christopher Rios, aka Big Punisher.<P>"That's how the city be, everybody gettin they hustle on, Judge singin death penalty like it's his favorite fuckin song. Word is bond, takin my life you know they lovin it... God 'F' the government and it's fuckin capital punishment!"-Big Pun<P>"Get off your high horse, or die off like an extinction, Boricuas are like Mohicans, 'The Last of the Po'Ricans'"-Big Pun<BR>

...about the use of the b-word even to mean "complain"....<P>(1) "Bitch" has other meanings in our day and time? Yeah right...underlying the usage of "bitch" to mean "complain" is the chauvinist notion that women complain too much...shit, where do you think the term originated?<P>(2) I would have said it no matter who posted that word, especially as excessively as it was used...<P>As far as Tariq "kissing the white girl" goes, my only real issue is the scarcity of black-on-black romantic films, but hey, at least we get to see a brother in a dramatic role where no black-on-black murder is involved...I would say simply that Levin did an excellent job on "Slam" and I expect "...Babylon" to be good HOWEVER considering hollywood's history of handling racial topics, some skepticism is warranted and justified. I think Levin, however, has shown he can sensitively portray members of different races in his work.<P>Peep "Slam". Good flick. i was an extra. If you can point me out, I'll buy you a taco. Ha...<P>Peace,<P>Spirit<BR><a href="http://amphibians.iuma.com" target="_blank">http://amphibians.iuma.com<;/a><BR><a href="http://infiniteloop.iuma.com" target="_blank">http://infiniteloop.iuma.com<;/a><BR>DC hip-hop is on the rise...<P>"High grade when I create beats/if I don't get signed/I'ma be the most dope bum that ever walked the streets" - <BR>Aychell (HL, of Khemystery)<P>"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's probably a tool of the conspiracy" - unknown

you better save up them $.79!!!!! Haha... that taco's mine.<P><BR>oneLOVE.<P>OkayBoricua known as... Mil<P><BR>"I effin LOVE this song!"-Nikki (Asialove)<BR>"Thats my thing.... haa haa... put that bitch in QUOTES!"-Nikki (Asialove)<BR>"Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret: The million other straws underneath it - it's all mathematics"-Mos Def<BR>"Say they want you successful, but that ain't the case. You livin large, your skin is dark, they flash a light in your face."-Mos Def<BR>"So I remain the main master of ceremonials, like Puerto Rico remains imprisoned by colonials"-Q-Unique (I think)<P>Rest In Peace Christopher Rios, aka Big Punisher.<P>"That's how the city be, everybody gettin they hustle on, Judge singin death penalty like it's his favorite fuckin song. Word is bond, takin my life you know they lovin it... God 'F' the government and it's fuckin capital punishment!"-Big Pun<P>"Get off your high horse, or die off like an extinction, Boricuas are like Mohicans, 'The Last of the Po'Ricans'"-Big Pun<BR>

if i offended with the "b" word i'm sorry. that word is not in my vocab at all.<P>for the record i meant it in the verb tense as in to "bitch" and complain. not the noun tense as in eff you "bitches".<P>please excuse me, and yes mil i should hope that people correct me if i do wrong.<P><P><P><P><P>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

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I'd bitch. But then I probably wouldn't cause I'm not much of a feminist . . . <BR>"what's ?uest got ta do got ta do with it?"<P>Tiny

Read what I said In "clowning is Meaningless" that is My Fault FOr making it all about the kiss............the kiss is just a misconception to uneducated heads about our past and everyday struggle. I'm not gonna be Url'in cause they kissed and that doesnt mean Imma GO out kissin white hoes neitha', but there are them cats lookin for that excuse to go be wit a white girl. Or to show what they are saying is right. It is not "a Step In society" because a black man and white chick are kissing on screen. WHat if it wasnt Tariq.......and some Bum on the street kissin some white chick.....these same peeps in here sayin "hooray!" would be the same ones with nose turned up. Or if it was me........a STudent @ the University Of Illinois @ champaign Urbana....a 3.7 GPA. Electrical engineering major....In the mall with a DOo Rag Under my hat........with My Braids sticking out underneath.....TImbs.....big Camoflage pants on....and a Ecko hoody kissin a Ambercrombie and FItch white chick.....they'd have something to whisper about. "I'd rather them be honest and say becuase he is a "star" its cool"<P>thats my word. I do agree about heads needing to know about making sure they don't get Assata from Cuba. Most heads don't even know who she is, and I thought Mumia was posed to be Executed In December of Last year?<P><a href="http://ill-matik.8m.com" target="_blank">http://ill-matik.8m.com<;/a><P>the revolution has been televised<P>ill~est

"everyday as a 6 foot plus 300 lb brillo pad for a head livin' nuh. i experience shit every fuckin day. i see the frown on white people's face when i take that aisle seat on a sold out plane (prayin "god don't sit next to me", movin their child out the middle row, switchin seats so the dad sits next to me and mom is now safe in his seat 4 rows up, only to breathe a sigh of relief when the 6th person asks for an autograph..."to give us more space i'll put my son back in the middle".....now that it's safe. and lets not mention when i go to the paramount, le matage, or the montrose or any of these artsy hotels with dark elevators. i will purposly hold the elevator door open while the scared white couple prays the door closes so they can order another questless elevator....or what about when i'm ina fancy restaurant and they automaticly include tip when it's 4 or more of us.....i can go on and on from the cops to the health food store i shop at to the "good white" mall i buy my shoes from to the company i still get rejected for when it comes to tryin to get a drum endorsement (change the art of playin drums and i still can't get an endorsement)...trust me black race and negetivity is all around. but are you gonna sound like a bitch and bitch.....or are you gonna stand own your own two and move on."<P>get busy<BR><img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/happy.gif"><P><BR>poetess <P>(AIM NAME PoetessCrystal)<BR><a href="http://www.sentergroup.com" target="_blank">http://www.sentergroup.com<;/a><P>NO GOD, NO PEACE - KNOW GOD, KNOW PEACE

He's kissing a white chick. Dont see the movie. You dont make a difference. I'm going to personally see to it that every black man I know kisses a white woman by the end of the week. Oh My god!!! The horror! What will you do then? You're losing the battle!!<BR> I hope you dont take this the wrong way (I really dont care), but I notice that most chicks that complain about this kind of thing are usually pretty wack looking. Usually lonely, have a hard time getting men of their own. Bad attitude...and are Just about *always* single. Generally, they're just jealous of the white woman thats kissing the black man, because *They* (The woman complaining) dont have a man for themselves. You'd feel better if you went for a makeover and looked for a nice guy in the supermarket early in the morning (I hear thats a good place for a woman to find a good man.) If it dont work, just put up another post about Thought Kissing a white girl to make yourself feel better. We'll understand.<BR> Good luck,<BR> NazDak<P> "I'm so ahead of my time, my parents havent met yet"--Big L (RIP)<BR> <BR> "PTHBT"--Maria<BR> <BR> Pick up ROOTS COME ALIVE!!! Available in either Single CD or Limited edition Enhanced Double CD. The First Live HipHop Album in almost 10 years...COP THAT!!!!<P>

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yeah quest look at ya man ((naz dak)) wildin out... (naz ya post was some bullshit...werd up!!)this movie is probably gonna be bearable to watch only cause tariq is in it..but the kissing scene will be QUITE a let down...personally i agree with that other cat..WHO WANTS TO SEE THAT ISH..a whole section of you're existing fans i'm sure will be madd hype to see "black thought" relating to them..perhaps they'll think this is cool and acceptable . "DOWNTOWN inTERRACIAL COUPLEs HOLD HANDS"..--common. you have to understand a VERY large portin of the roots fan base are white kids..that's the reality of it, and perhaps they feel this way they cater to them as well..or somethin like that..who knows.<BR>personally i would have loved to see thought kissing a black female.. being with a black female.. i mean, WHY not?? we need to EMBRACE OURS and stop glamorizing love affairs with white chicks and making it uncool to be with our own..<BR>so it is a BIG dEAL who this CharcateR that we know as "black thougth" kisses or whatever in this movie..it's a reflection of us..where we stand as a people and what we feel is acceptable..i think this is just portraying a VEry Bad image..<P>"on a quEst foR loVe like the prOceed drummEr..inhale imagination and breathe wonder.."--common<P>"you want some more son that's when more come and drag a n*gga ERie aVenUe to OReGON.."

One of the most intriguing themes of Amerikkkan life is race relations. The two main dynamics of the precarious situation America has been in for 400 years are 1) the Black / Black relationship, and 2) Black / White realtionship. What an artist or a writer or a director does is explore a theme. The writer of BK Babylon chose to explore, in this dynamic of the film, the Black/White relationship. Daringly, he/she even chose a Crown Heights Black/Jewish realtionship. What better way to explore American black/white realtions than to use an interacial couple as the focus?????? In exploring this theme a viewer has to decide whether he/she felt it was a good muse on the topic, or whether it was one-sided, unthorough, etc. Now, Illa Noize you're saying the same thing that Tipper Gore, the Christian Coalition, and Dan Quayle were. And it's censorship. Instead of worrying about whether or not your fellow african-Americans SHOULD see a black man and white woman in a relationship on screen, worry about educating them on how to evaluate a theme discussed in a film so that they can make their own well thought out decisions.<P>I know this thread has probably died out (four months ago!!!lol) but tell me what chall think. <P>"Fuck this rap shit, I listen to Classical" -Jaydee

....That so many black women are SO damn insecure about this issue. I must have been lucky or something, because any black woman I ever dated in the past never seemed to have a problem with something of such insignificance. Just proves my belief that I've only dated NORMAL women in my life thus far....<BR> Peace,<BR> NazDak<P> "I'm so ahead of my time, my parents havent met yet"--Big L (RIP)<BR> <BR> "PTHBT"--Maria<BR> <BR> Pick up ROOTS COME ALIVE!!! Available in either Single CD or Limited edition Enhanced Double CD. The First Live HipHop Album in almost 10 years...COP THAT!!!!<P>

Oh yeah I know why . . .CAUSE YOU AIN"T A BLACK WOMAN NIGGA!<BR>Tiny<BR>You see how fucked up society got us? That's no accident.

For real, for real, Naz, you need to try putting yourself in the other person's shoes here...the black women who have issues with tariq kissing a white women are reacting to a historical phenomenom of successful brothers marrying/dating outside of their race...there are a whole lot of sociopolitical and economic issues involved that go WAY beyond "insecurity"...successful black men having relationships with non-blacks is the ultimate case of "taking money out of the community" (I say that half-seriously). And Tariq is considered somewhat sucessful. <P>To use another example, Reginald Lewis was the richest black man in America...he married an Asian woman...lewis died and now his business (TLC-Beatrice) is no longer a black owned one, but an Asian owned one...we can debate the socioecomonic ramifications of that all day if you want, but it's about way more than "insecurity", although that plays a role as well...not because the woman questioning it are "ugly", but because the socialized standard of beauty in America is Eurocentric (peep a beauty pageant for the 411 and try to find a contestant with natural African hair...).<P>Normally, I dislike racial discussions on this piece because there is rarely a true attempt to seek understanding...<P>Peace,<P>Spirit<BR><a href="http://amphibians.iuma.com" target="_blank">http://amphibians.iuma.com<;/a><BR><a href="http://infiniteloop.iuma.com" target="_blank">http://infiniteloop.iuma.com<;/a><BR>DC hip-hop is on the rise...<P>"High grade when I create beats/if I don't get signed/I'ma be the most dope bum that ever walked the streets" - <BR>Aychell (HL, of Khemystery)<P>"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's probably a tool of the conspiracy" - unknown

you people to refer to white females as "white chicks" .. "white hoes" .. yet, you'll refer to black women.. as "OUR WOMEN" .. like they belong to you because your black..and like every black female is a woman.. >>laugh<< .. AGAIN, i dunno who said this, maybe ILL_NOIZE, (more like just NOIZE if you ask me), "these people," these "motherfuckas" .. are most definitely not Jews sweetheart.. Jewish people were too busy being persecuted, killed in gas chambers, and shot by Nazis in Europe.. I don't know any Jewish people who owned slaves.. sorry.. CHECK YOUR CREDENTIALS..<P>-cassandra..the propheTess of greeK mythology

>I don't know any Jewish people who owned >slaves.. sorry.. CHECK YOUR CREDENTIALS..<P>Ummm...I would research that statement before I made it. There is strenous debate about the extent to which Jewish financiers helped bankroll some of the slave shipping companies...also, there is some historical debate about the *number* of Jewish slaveholders...I have never heard anyone argue that there were *no* Jewish slaveholders or *no* Jewish participation in the slave trade...maybe you can point me to some documents that stand for that proposition...<P>Peace,<P>Spirit<BR><a href="http://amphibians.iuma.com" target="_blank">http://amphibians.iuma.com<;/a><BR><a href="http://infiniteloop.iuma.com" target="_blank">http://infiniteloop.iuma.com<;/a><BR>DC hip-hop is on the rise...<P>"High grade when I create beats/if I don't get signed/I'ma be the most dope bum that ever walked the streets" - <BR>Aychell (HL, of Khemystery)<P>"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's probably a tool of the conspiracy" - unknown

I was referring to Jews who carried out actions that Ill_noize stated:<P>"These are the same people who slaughtered our anscestors and threw them to the sharks as they died on the slave ships till sharks followed the slave ships for food. These are the same Motha-fuckas (yes i mean motha-fuckas (they fucked our great great great granMothers) ) who tore apart African mens bodies to show the other slaves what exactly would happen if they ran (and yes sometimes for entertainment)" <P>these people he's talking about are most probably (i wont say definitely) not jews..the prominence of Jews in America wasn't many at the time of slavery. And IF they did own black slaves, it was probably a Jewish man who converted his religion to Christianity when he married a Christian woman- and they probably raised their children to be Christian (there were very few women in America who were Jewish and many Jews had to conceal their religious identity anyway). But that's if you want to get technical. As for slave trading, even BLACK men, yes AFRICAN men, sold men from their country to America, contributing to slave trade..Men from Portugal, Cuba, Spain, etc. etc. contributed to the black slave trading also and sailed on those same ships.. and you don't see blacks hate on hispanics as being "these people"..or half as much hate when you see a latino with a black person.. And if it's because of the OWNING of slaves in America, then you can't criticize a Jew for it.. as i stated earlier..<P><BR>if you want to check my sources.. you can go to <a href="http://www.connerprairie.org/injews.html" target="_blank">http://www.connerprairie.org/injews.html<;/a><BR>for research on the settlement of Jews in America..<BR>or<BR><a href="http://www.bnp.net/spear28.html" target="_blank">http://www.bnp.net/spear28.html<;/a><BR>for info on race-on-race slave ownership and trading..<P>-cassandRa<BR>

since it relates to the topic of slavery<P>let's open our eyes to the fact that it is still going on now in africa and other parts of the world<BR>www.anti-slavery.org<P>peace<P><P>"Well, I like to eat, sleep, drink, and be in love.<BR>I like to work, read, learn, and understand life." - Langston Hughes "Theme for English B"

<BR>personally i <BR>>would have loved to see thought <BR>>kissing a black female.. being with <BR>>a black female.. i mean, WHY <BR>>not?? we need to EMBRACE OURS <BR>>and stop glamorizing love affairs with <BR>>white chicks and making it uncool <BR>>to be with our own<P>well if the story called for that then it would be that. but because of the racialy charged riot that occurs that would be ridiculous huh? i suggest that if the sight of this happening offends you all, then stay home. but don't talk ish, then see it. then i will have zero respect for you.<P>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

it's cool i understand you gotta stay neutral on a dicussion such as this (quest)..being as though you you're self have yet to give any real insight on this topic..but then i guess that's becasue "it's only a moive"..oh....i got it..i got it...<P>nah.. we realize it's just a movie but i thought the point of this forum thing was to voice you're thoughts on different topics..that's all that is quest..<P>slow down money.. (hehe)<P>peaCE.<P>"askin how come like wyclef they'll be gone before noveMBER/ name will be in sentences with the word reMEMber/ wrote a letter to 88' let's get back love me tender/ the letter came back three days later..return to sender..DAAMN..."--ugh what yall know about my man COM....((one of the illest))<P>"you know i aint got to lie to you..GoD aLLah made the woRLD geT uP and Move.."--mos def<P>

Steve is gonna quit on yall lol<P>Uno<BR>Improv!?<P>"Stakes are high like my uncle is/ we both got problems, he never confronted his"---Common, "Time Travellin'"<P>Support Okayplayer.com and <a href="http://www.Boondocks.net" target="_blank">http://www.Boondocks.net<;/a> (for all you lazy mofos lol)

it's a movie. It's a movie about being interracial. Therefore, ya gotta have 2 races. It's just a movie. Black folks need to feel as strongly about themselves as tehy do about other people representing THEM. We have a responsibility to be human y'all. everything else is whatever. He don't even date white girls. It's afucking movie.<BR>Tiny

I'm fly and I cringe when i see a black man kissing a white woman too. I just don't care about this cause it's a movie. The issue is that black men treat black women like shit and tehn treat a w hite woman like a fucking queen. Like he puts her on the same pedestal the white man puts her on. I guess that's called "entitlement". Don't speak for us Naz. Just agre or disagree with the topic. You ain't even old enough yet to have an opinion. Ooh look what i done started now!<BR>Tiny

is why black women gonna get mad when they see brothers kissing white chicks, and they don't even WANT that brother! it's like chris rock said: when a brother sees a fly sista with a white dude, they get mad "baby, what i got to DO to get wit YOU?" but if it's an ugly sista, the white boys can have her. how come i'm always seeing black women saying that dennis rodman's ugly and then the very next minute, getting mad cos white women give him love and he takes it?

You are speaking of the "niggas" you deal wit. You Need to check ya'self if all you find are brothas who treat women wrong. Secondly. How can you be that bitter about a brotha Period. But not care to see him kiss a white girl? I mean as a people we need to get our shit together before they show shit like that cause "alot of brothas" are looking for that "excuse" to do it. and that movie may be the "excuse" they need.

Ay yo I'm down in Urbana too dawg and I definitely feel you. Heads on here act like the sistas ain't got no legitimite beef with the movie. We don't have the same circumstances to face as they do. We don't know what it's like to be considered to be at the bottom of the beauty totem pole because of your color. Most black women want black men for husbands and there ain't nothing wrong with that. Quest ain't keepin it right at all. We've got history with white america and it ain't pretty. Why ya'll acting like nothing ever happened to contribute to some black people not wanting to see the interracial thing on the big screen. It ain't that heads are being racist, we just haven't chose to act like nothing ever happened. Yo, to Ill_Noise and the sista that started this thread, "I feel you". There are too many la la land people on here acting like we ain't got nothing to be pissed at white america about. We've made some progress, but bad blood is gone be bad blood, especially if the wrong never tried to atone for their evil actions. Ill_Noise, i'm down here in Urbana from Harvey mann, hit me up at princenetmail@netscape.net

>I'm fly and I cringe when i <BR>>see a black man kissing a <BR>>white woman too. I just <BR>>don't care about this cause it's <BR>>a movie. The issue is <BR>>that black men treat black women <BR>>like shit and tehn treat a <BR>>w hite woman like a fucking <BR>>queen. Like he puts her <BR>>on the same pedestal the white <BR>>man puts her on. <P> Maybe theres something wrong with me (Or the people I tend to associate myself with), but I dont believe in a man treating a woman with more or less respect merely because of her ethnicity. My mama taught me to respect women all the same, not to put anyone on this "pedestal" you speak of, simply because of their race. <P>>Don't <BR>>speak for us Naz. Just <BR>>agre or disagree with the topic. <P> Sorry, but no. First off, I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself. Second, I'll elaborate on my feelings as much as I damn well please. Thats what these boards are for.<P>> You ain't even old enough <BR>>yet to have an opinion. <BR>>Ooh look what i done started <BR>>now! Tiny <P> My "young" opinion obviously made you a little upset. Its ok, I understand. Just dont get too stressed out over it...old girls like you can develop wrinkles from stuff like this. <BR> Peace,<BR> Nazzie<P>"I'm so ahead of my time, my parents havent met yet"--Big L (RIP)<BR> <BR> "PTHBT"--Maria<BR> <BR> Pick up ROOTS COME ALIVE!!! Available in either Single CD or Limited edition Enhanced Double CD. The First Live HipHop Album in almost 10 years...COP THAT!!!!<P>

uh tina if that is so then why when i mentioned that jeff goldblum (uh, jewish i think) was chillin at the white house for new years you damn near ran me down to check.......<P>by the way amina. i'm not in the middle on this subject. i'm against ignorance. emmit til lost his life for the same bullshit we discussing now. i just don't see why we (blacks) gotta stoop to that same level of stupidity.<P><P><P><P><P>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

Damn ?uest...did you have to bring him up? Emmitt Till was a beautiful light in the world that shined all too briefly before some racist beasts tortured the life from him. He was only a little boy. Jeeeeez. For real, I want to cry everytime I think about that whole situation. <P><BR>"She was used to seeing pimps in furs and gators. Told her I'm an innovator." - Common<P>

HOW DARE YALL SAY WHAT ACTRESS RIQ CAN KISS OR NOT.....HES A PROUD BLACK MAN, WHO IS TRYIN TO STRETCH HIMSELF......I NEVER EVER HEAR SHIT ABOUT TUPAC DOIN THAT WACK THUG SHIT IN "ABOVE THE RIM"....OF COURSE, CAUSE THAT WAS "REAL" MAN FUCK THIS SHIT......HOW CAN YALL SIT THERE AND SAY YOU WONT WATCH THIS MOVIE FOR THAT REASON...A KISS....THE FACT THAT RIQ IS DOIN SOMEHTIN WHICH IS CHALLENGING IS REASON ENOUGH TO SUPPORT.....i bet there would be nan posts if riq was playin the part of a cat who slings rocks.......man yall have incorporated these prejudices and stereotypes in your own minds.....thats a dangerous thing.....LET THE MAN TRY SOMETHIN DIFFERENT.......<P><P>also....SO DOES THIS MEAN HE SHOULD NEVER PUT OUT THIS MOVIE, CAUSE THE DIRECTOR IS WHITE?!?! cause if a white guy is a director and riq is the actor, isnt that reverting back to the slave days??!?! (that dont make too much sense now do it!) <P>so how are yall gonna use a visual metaphor and translate to something as complex as race relations in America...PLEASE!! yalll sound fickle as fuck.....deal with shit like affrimitive action, the disproportionate amount of minorities in jail, the total lack and ineptitude of African amercian culture (yeah sadly most black folks are the culprits) <P>YALL SHOULDNT DARE TELL AN ACTOR WHAT ROLLS TO TAKE, SO IF HE DOES KISS A WHITE GIRL, IS HE CONFIRMING TO A SOCIAL NORM BY KISSING/NOT KISSING THIS GIRL....MAN EFF THAT..........<P><BR>think before yall speak........<P><P>One Love<BR>RamXL<BR>(b-boy advocate)<P>"Each soul is potentially divine, the goal is to manifest this divinity within by controlling nature: external and internal. Do this either by work, or worship, or psychic control, or philosophy -- by one, or more, or all these -- and be free." Swami Vivekanada<P><BR>"I, personally, believe in an art as it exists in the context of the phrase "thou art God". In this phrase, art is the word that connects the individual (thou) to their higher self (God) or to that which is universal. Using such a standard, most emcees might become embarrassed." Saul Williams<P><P><P><P>

and make no apologies about it . . . If you'd notice I play both sides of the fence on this issue . . . I always get rammed for noticing white boys, whatever. And yes Ill noise dear I am talking about the "niggas" I deal with, who else would I be talking about? The bottom line is you stating that Thought on the big screen is just the "excuse" people need to start this tirade of interracial dating is stupid. period. Like it never happened in the first place. My beef is why is it such a big deal because Thought is doing a movie? A fucking movie? I want a man who ADORES me. Whoever that may be is the one. . .I no longer make excuses for black men or any one else . . .SOmeone mentioned Quest doing wrong based on who he dates. I don't see 1000 of black women running to knock his door down, just like I don't see thousands of "correct" black men knocking down mine. It would be fantastic to have a black man . . absolutely magnifiscent! But I know what I know. And if , umm let's see . . . Vince Carter came dropping some crazy lines and Jeff Goldblum came and showed me the sunset . . .I'd probably long for Vince Carter but not hte game . . .wait I'm lying. I LOOOVE Jeff Goldblum . . .Okay Ben Affleck and Vince Carter . . whatever you get my point.<BR>And now Naz, I won't get wrinkles about issues like this . . .not for another 40 years . . .just another positive about being black . . .the fly ass skin!<BR>Tiny

I hope you dont <BR>>take this the wrong way (I <BR>>really dont care), but I notice <BR>>that most chicks that complain about <BR>>this kind of thing are usually <BR>>pretty wack looking

I'll still support the film. I mean it is only a film right? I don't think Tariq is gonna be rappin' yiddish, sounding like mashuginah. My question is this? did he put his tounge in her mouth or the other way around. Cause thought look he might have straight razor for a tooth.<P>"I still fast, make salaat, and pay zakaat" Malik B

ahem<BR>In this world, lets say, black women have not generally had the good end of the stick. Not at the top of the beauty pyramid in our ethnic finest, "exotic" or "beautiful" usually when some other ethnicity pops out in our appearance...a little black ain't bad (see J. Lopez) but a lot is. and that's how it is.<P>And men, with their "I don't understand" selves, think .." oh, why doesn't she like me dating white women?" <BR>weyull...<BR> I can think of a few reasons why...while black women are so very often degraded and reduced to sex fiends and angry women in the media( you think i'm jokin, watch music videos for a while)...and black women have traditionally held the black community together, and then some guy APPEARS to value some other women who APPEARS to not have come from any background like hers...<P>I dunno. People always talkin about black men, it's like they forget black women at times. Patriarchal society we live in. We have names, feelings,beings...I know black men don't have it all wonderful...but it's not like it's SO easy for black women...it's hard enough being a woman..

If I hadnt lost track of time I wld have finished my message but i had to go to class. All those people looked at what I was sayin took it as an offense. Cried at lil stuff like "whte chicks". Come on now. Of all he Roots concerts n when they came to Levi's to help promote our new jeans Ive seen nothin but white peeps, and havent gotten any static. but once the concert is over, do yall really feel like we as people are still connected? Listenin to the Roots doesnt mean u have an inside view or feel what ANY minority people go through, once your cd or tape stops thats where our connectedness end, and reality comes back to u. The last role I saw a blk chick datin a white guy was with Lela Rochen n Mark Walhberg n she was playin a money hungry chick. Why hasnt George Clooney or Tom Hanks have a blk chick as a wife or as sidekick in their movies?, shit wesley snipes do. Damn I thought "Jackie Brown" wld open doors for an interracial relationship but if Foxxy Brown cant then who? Everyone cryin "its about time a movie like this has been made" duh remember Zebrahead? didnt think so. Nbushe Wrights career shld have taken off from that just like Micheal Rappaports career did. I dare anyone make a movie about a Jewish man from Crown Heights and a Black woman from Flatbush falling in love, then again yall would probably turn it into a comedy, so trash that.Like Malcom (yeah I said it Malcom) x said before we get outside help first we need to help ourselves first. And in the black community we need alot of self healing first, theres no dialogue goin on between blk chicks and blk guys, just like theres no dialogue between blk n wht people.And b4 we can start one with white people we have to get ourselves together. Dont forget white people have 50 yrs until they will become the minority, lets see what yall will think then. Check out Time magazine Jan. 17 issue if u dont believe.<BR>One, MahAgany

Damn i’m glad somebody FINALLY posted about this subject. <BR>I haven’t seen this discussed b4. <P>Laura Winslow?? <BR>I was hopin’ that they would switch the Jewish girl with Raven Simone (Sista got BACK!!!) or the girl that played Nia Long’s crackhead sister in the 1st Friday.<P>Didn’t u get my E-mail, Quest? I sent u a list of actresses that should replace the white girl. Oh well, I’ll just post em here.<P>bust it:<BR>1. Rupal (yeah, he’s a dude but at least he’s black)<BR>2. Champ MC (oooh, those teeth)<BR>3. Rah Digga (young zee might not like the sex scenes tho)<BR>4. Weezy from the Jeffersons (change the title to “Weezy gets her groove back)<BR>5. Mia X (she takes a Pro black stance. NO LIMIT RIDAZ FO LIFE!!!)<P>Laura is good but Mia X is for the children. So please consider my suggestions Quest, or i will have no choice but to buy the flick bootleg from my boy ‘Drow who sells movies from a shopping cart in front of the smoke spot. <P>once again i would like to thank whoever posted this - this topic is new, groundbreaking, and it has NEVER been discussed here b4!! <P>THANK YOU!!!<P>1ne Luv<BR>incognito & takin it EZ

this is insightful commentary on the issue. and i'm glad you came with such a well thought out set of suggested solutions to this obviously serious problem!<P><a href="http://www.thehungersite.com" target="_blank">http://www.thehungersite.com<;/a><P>"I ain't no goddamn son of a bitch--you'd better think about it, baby!"<BR> --Glenn Danzig (Misfits)<P>"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

“Laura Winslow is good but Mia X is for the Children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”<P>-inconito & takin it EZ

All jokes aside, I have the utmost respect and love for black women. Everyday I am frustrated with the way black women are portrayed on TV in movies etc., but i REALLY think that all these BKYLN Babylon posts are misdirected.<P>People have to understand that this film is done within a certain context. Its based on real life events in Crown heights & all the racial tension there. Yall really need to stop condemning Tariq and breaking your ROOTS CDs over a movie nobody has seen yet. It is a stretch to say that his character kissing a jewish woman is degrading to sistas. I’m not promoting interacial relationships (or condmning them). I personally like nubian queens but I’m not here to judge others.<P>Basically what I’m saying is why waste time crying about a flick when we have so much work to do as a people in real life.<P>peace<BR>incog

cuz we're going in circles...<P>Fact: Brooklyn Babylon is A MOVIE and I bet you don't even know the history of Crown Heights...<P>Fact: If you do not like what the movie is about, DON'T SUPPORT IT. Support Troi (an independent black film that shows black people in a sensual, erotic, sexy light. Hey no white girl kissing!), rent or buy Hav Plenty, rent or buy Rosewood, rent or buy Sankofa, rent or buy a black movie period. Buy a book from Nkriu(sp). Go to a black vendor and buy stuff. You have soooo many alternatives than agruing on a board about fiction.<P>Fact: Improv!? thinks that the folks doing the most complaining ain't doing shit to bring black folks into the forefront. Make your own movie. Teach a child. Speak with your elders. Read a book. Join an organization THAT WORKS. Complaining about a movie that hasn't even COME out yet is wack. Complaining about an ACTED OUT KISS is bullshit. Tari...oops Black Thought kissing a white woman DOES NOT MEAN HE DOES THAT IN REAL LIFE and if he does, WHO CARES? If you feel that strong about it, don't support! "Simple ain't it..." <P>Fact: this is a losing battle folks. When I say that, please do not think that I'm defeated. I saying redirect your energy. This is a concept WE as a people do not seem to have a firm grasp on...<P>Uno<BR>Improv!? (listening to "A Song for Assata" by Common and crying...yes it's that beautiful...)<P>"Stakes are high like my uncle is/ we both got problems, he never confronted his"---Common, "Time Travellin'"<P>Support Okayplayer.com and <a href="http://www.Boondocks.net" target="_blank">http://www.Boondocks.net<;/a> (for all you lazy mofos lol)

that’s what i’m saying.<P>get yo ish together.<P>peace<BR>incog