now..people can tell me that the naked body is a work of art, and ill agree. they can tell me that d' is an artist for he has truly sculpted his body, and ill agree. they can tell me that its been done before, this 'sexual' overtone to ones persona (prince - marvin) and ill agree that it has, but it does not justify it.

is this not the most blatant case of selling sex? is it d's responsibility to keep himself clothed just so as not to take advantage of the ignorantly vulnerable masses? no, i dont think so..but still, i believe it is done intentionally, by d' and his label..sex sells. no one will deny that. but i thought d was about the music. the artistry of music. and that selling was not the ultimate goal..crafting the music was.

now, the question, if d' were ?uest, if d and his estrogen evoking body was behind the drums hiding in the back, and ?uest and his obviosuly less appealing physique was front and center on stage..how would this tour be doing? how would this album be doing? realizing obviously that it would not be doing as well...how can one still go on night after night and flaunt their body to a bunch of souless, hungry, mad women, knowing that they are what drives the train..knowing that without this body hes parading around in, hed not be where he is right now..



'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

and dont come at me with 'd aint quest!' cause im quite aware of the fact. im not saying switch personas, just bodies, thank u


'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

, and ?uest and his
>obviosuly less appealing physique was
>front and center on stage

a.) speak for yourself. whatever you may find less appealing might be another woman's dream.
b.) why is this topic bothering you so much?
c.) was it really necessary to begin a whole new post?

let me try and answer this.. you're right. there are women that go to the shows strictly for the body. as men go to strip joints for the bodies, too. or watch VIP. or..anything like that. it's just our nature to be attracted to things of that nature. but i DO think that d' is an incredibly talented man and that the stellar reviews of each show are proof that the music is what people want.

i doubt people would shell out $50 for tickets in the nosebleed section just because they like his body. i've been to several shows and watched women AND men singing at the top of their lungs. it's a wonderful performance.. music, dancing..soul. if he just wanted to flaunt his body, he'd come out half naked and perform like that all night. but like i said before..unless it's torn off, the shirt doesn't come off till the END of the show.

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i did not say ?uest was not cute..and why am i so obsessed with this issue? hmm..maybe because i get an ill feeling everytime i listen to his music now, just a lil whisper in my head..that threatens d's motives..he is selling his music through his body, and irregardless of my motives for buying it, im still supporting this vanity..D has a fine body, girls would pay more than 50 dollars to have him strip for them..u see where im getting at, u cant defend society..the majority of society is not in the right...thats why we have acts like britnney spears and christina aguwhatever and nsync..SEX SELLS..bottom line, i just wish d wouldnt use his sex appeal to sell what is a beautiful work of art..

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

dude i know you ain't up at 6am still postin bout this?

(i know i ain't up postin bout this)





THE SOULQUARIANS
chewy (quest).....jan
luke (d)........feb
lando (jaydee)......feb
cp30 (james poyser).....jan
r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan
hans (chaos)........jan
anakin (lil mike)......feb

honorary members:
kelo- soulacorn.......jan
common- soulcies......march
erykah- soulcies......feb
zack- soulicorn.......feb
anthony hamilton-soulquarian.jan


MAY= OFFENSIVE QUOTE MONTH

"FUCK ALL Y'ALL!"
-ice cube

maria...

ms lady, i can't beleive you were the SECOND person to reply, i figured you might have some sort of top secret quest symbol flashing on the sky whenever a post like this comes up!

"STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND BY YO' MAAAAAAAAN!"

you go girl!

PoZi (;=

Why are you so consumed by this? Granted KFC Luther wasn't takin' his shirt off but I can testify that many women were screaming for Jesus at his shows. It is about the music first. I don't care what you say. Sorry, I'm not trying to diss, but I think you're wrong. Please get over it. I paid $50 to see D in the nosebleeds and had an unbelievable time. O.K. so I paid twice as much the next night just to be closer to the stage and maybe cop a feel. :) It was about the music first. And ?uest is a cutie so What you talkin' 'bout Willis? Let it go my brotha. Let it go.

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I read this post before anybody replied and I was waiting for Maria to set him straight.

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sexiness is really some inside shit. remember vesta? i thought she was sexy as fuck and she was far from the eurocentric standard of beauty (which the media upholds as the best beauty). but there is some shit within her that works. yes i know i'm no d. but that don't hold me back from doin no shit. (and yes i got naked for vibe, no shame in my game). but d is not me, and i'm not him. and that's the point. why you pointin fingers at d? point fingers at the media, and the unknowing public, school them.





THE SOULQUARIANS
chewy (quest).....jan
luke (d)........feb
lando (jaydee)......feb
cp30 (james poyser).....jan
r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan
hans (chaos)........jan
anakin (lil mike)......feb

honorary members:
kelo- soulacorn.......jan
common- soulcies......march
erykah- soulcies......feb
zack- soulicorn.......feb
anthony hamilton-soulquarian.jan


MAY= OFFENSIVE QUOTE MONTH

"FUCK ALL Y'ALL!"
-ice cube

I agree. D's sexiness(is that a word?) comes from within. The 1st time I saw UNTITLED I felt a tingling sensation within the 1st few seconds(when the music was playing and ALL you could see were his braids!) The MUSIC got me hot. When I saw his body I got HOTTER, but hell I'm human! Another thing, I went to his show. I felt most attracted to him during the 1st song...Devil's Pie. Mind you, he was covered from head to toe in a Monk's robe, hood and all. It was the music, his voice and his energy that just reached out a grabbed me. Man, I HATE to use the term HATER but it fits you well. Damn you for making me say that.

P.S. ?uest, I saw you showing all your lovliness in Vibe. You go boy!
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at C.H. two weeks ago I was under the impression that that black hooded/feathered figure at the beginning was Shelby. . .was it my faux paus?

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it was shelby










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chewy (quest).....jan
luke (d)........feb
lando (jaydee)......feb
cp30 (james poyser).....jan
r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan
hans (chaos)........jan
anakin (lil mike)......feb

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kelo- soulacorn.......jan
common- soulcies......march
erykah- soulcies......feb
zack- soulicorn.......feb
anthony hamilton-soulquarian.jan


MAY= OFFENSIVE QUOTE MONTH

"FUCK ALL Y'ALL!"
-ice cube

Shelby was in the front right? Wasn't D the one way in the back on the elevator thing?
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"Okayplayers harbor more "cliques" than a remote control." - Me

"If God one day struck me blind, your beauty I'd still see..." - Prince

>Shelby was in the front right?
>Wasn't D the one way
>in the back on the
>elevator thing?

>Yup. That was him.
>
>"If God one day struck me
>blind, your beauty I'd still
>see..." - Prince

That's my favorite Prince song. Makes me cry everytime I hear it.

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and to all u women out there!!! who are coming at me for all the reasons i expected u to, realize this...

how would u feel if u went to a christina aguilera concert and the trick started to disrobe, and hump the ground? is that respecting oneself? why does she wear such skimpy outfits? why does she look like trash? because it sells, girls like to see a woman with a fine body strutting her sh*t, controlling those men, cause its what they aspire to be, they look up to her, the gurl aint writing her own songs, aint producin tha sh*t, she belting it out, shes no artist, yet why all the hype? she damn good looking thats why, guys dig her for that reason, gurls for the former..and i just picked up the ROLLING STONE thats out currently, and what do i see on the cover, u all know, maybe know one wanted to say anything, its just more ammo for me, "DANGELO BACKSTAGE WITH THE SEXIEST MAN IN SOUL" wow..keep feeding my argument, known for his sexuality rather than his ability? could that be because he misrepresented himself and disrespected himself on numerous occasions, selling his music with his body..? the editors know that sex sells, they know that most kids buying the mag want sex, not artistry, thats why buffy the dildo is on the cover, jesus, its so obvious and clear to me, that it effing hilarious that u all continue to deny it, effing hilarious! lol..

u all continue to think im a hater, and im against dangelo, keep on keepin on, but u know what? realize that for me to be posing these questions, shows a deeper understanding and concern and connection with him..realize that, u all defending him simply because u like his music is not founded, im into his music as much as anyone out there, believe me, go to my website, i am..and its because i am that i can look deeper, and truly look past the music, for i know it justifies itself, and wonder why he is being hypocritical, why he disses emcees for selling out to what he sells out to..how he can disrespect himself night after night...how he can fail to let the music sell itself..

im a guy, yes, so i can be slightly more objective, having no physical attraction, but ladies? how can u let thaty cloud your judgement? im not into mariah carey? most of the guys listening to her new shit are doing so because shes bzza banging, same for brittney and christina, im not buying no cds because the gurls look good, i judge the music, the majority of people are going to d because hes fine as hell, and because hes showing people his body, and thats not right...it just aint right man

let the music sell itself, keep your self respect, keep your clothes on
'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

You know what, I am really tired of people trippin on this man because he shows "a little" skin!!!! Yes, I do believe that sex sells, but at the same time, D's music sells. That is the whole point of this. Some one made a comment about this a couple of weeks ago. Forgive me if I misquote "...It's like seeing a big building with flashing neon lights, saying come in side and when you do...it's a library..." That was cool, because personally, to me, that is what it is! Michael possess much more that a chiseled body, and yeah, who would not be attracted to that?! D' is a cool guy with BOMB ass music...

That is all I have to say....

I said the stakes is high...D'Angelo, The Line

Are you dense or what? You say you like the man's music right? He is creatively gifted and blessed right? He shows skin right? And this matters why? I'm going to say this for the last time. His sexuality compliments his art. He is an artist and this is the way he chooses to express himself. His body is a beautiful work of art. Look at those eyes and lips. They permeate with sexuality even when he is fully clothed. Are you saying he should where a mask? He can't hide that. So taking his shirt off is a little something extra. You won't be satisfied until someone says,"Hell yeah he's a sell out. Nigga put some clothes on!!" It is always going to be about his music. His music is intelligent and inspiring. It makes you think and feel good. Like someone said before, when we are all old and out of shape and he's still making music, the true fans and supporters will be there, male and female. So just to get you to shut the hell up about this topic I'm going to say it.:) "Michael D'Angelo Archer is a sellout. Damn nigga. Put some clothes on and sell the music!!!!" Happy Now???:)

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First, of all I wouldn't go to a Christina Aguilera concert.

Maybe you should move to an Amish community so you won't have to deal with all the evils of the world.

If you don't like it don't look at it. Plain and simple. You have no right to tell other people what they can and cannot like. Ever heard of censorship? It seems like that's what your in favor of.

>censorship

hmm, its funny how you alot of you enjoy putting words into my mouth...'hes different, thats bad...he must be bad, lets attribute bad ideas to him, so hell look bad' grow up people. sh*t..im listening to dirty mind right now..and im for censorship? good one ace..im for people practicing what they preach..d isnt doing that

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

>hmm, its funny how you alot
>of you enjoy putting words
>into my mouth...'hes different, thats
>bad...he must be bad, lets
>attribute bad ideas to him,
>so hell look bad' grow
>up people. sh*t..im listening to
>dirty mind right now..and im
>for censorship? good one ace..im
>for people practicing what they
>preach..d isnt doing that


WTF? You haven't made a point once. For one you disrespect ?uestlove, which stood out the most, which is why you aren't taken seriously. I understand where your coming from to a degree, but it's just the way you present your questions. To each his own brah. I'm sure there are some sista's who like D because of his body, hey its the bomb, what do you expect, and there are alot who love the music. But do you bring this question up for the sista's in video's with G strings up their asses? Which is totally degrading.

I for one have supported D since he came out fully clothed behind his keyboard, I support any artist these day's who can so much as read a musical note or play an instrument.

You really need to dig deeper brotha and get your mind out of the commerical mainstream superficial market and realize that there are artist who still represent the true essence of creation. I know its hard to determine these day's but don't lump people together with you stereotypical views.


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>hater

hmm...for expecting d to respect himself? your right, im such the hater, good job there kid..im 'hating' on d because i love his music to death, im 'hating' on d because he is the only musician among us that i recognize as legendary, i am 'hating' because d has obviously sculpted his body to an amazing degree, that is all my 'hating'

no hun..your the only one hatin, on me, for i have a different voice, and i dont praise d for disrespecting himself...i dont frequent strip clubs, i dont watch porn, these are all weaknesses right? right..im a hater, because i have respect for myself, and only wish the artist whose music i love would do the same, and sell his music in another manner, the music speaks for itself, why tempt the superficial majority with sexuality? why sell the music with the body? why disrespect yourself? until i get an INTELLIGENT rebuttle, ill forever know its for the money



'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

Don't come with the humble role now! Like you just want him to respect himself when the title of your original post was "IF D' was such the 'artist'"

1) His nakedness in UNTITLED was to symbolize the RAWNESS of his music.(btw, he WAS wearing sweatpants during the shoot)

2) He takes of his shirt at the END of the show. Have you ever performed under stage lights?! It's extremely hot. Besides, in the summer, men walk around with their shirts off all the time(men with nice bodies that is).

Fact is, no matter what anyone says, you won't listen. You'll just let is fly over your head and remain stuck on stupid.
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"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke!" - Carlos Mencia commenting on people taking offense to gay jokes.

"Okayplayers harbor more "cliques" than a remote control." - Me

oh give me an effing break!!! yeah, he takes off his clothes because it s hot..right..and he humps the floor with his ass hanging out for what? stretching exercises, get the hell outta here, evrybody on this board can admit that the show is overtly sexual, d himself said it, aight..dont cut around the edges..

and its been about the artistry the whole time with me, if d is such the artist why does he have to sell his music with sex, no one will ever know how it would have done without it, but i have an idea that it would have done alot worse....cause with his sexuality..and him disrespecting himself, he got all the superficial vanity of the trl world with brittney and nysnc..its a shame...and ill say again, d - let the music sell the music


'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

I've read your replies to several people. I've seen things like "he doesn't practice what he preaches" and "D is disrespecting himself." I must say that you are quite the judge! Let's put your life under a microscope and see what kind of hypocrasies dwell within you.
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"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke!" - Carlos Mencia commenting on people taking offense to gay jokes.

"Okayplayers harbor more "cliques" than a remote control." - Me

EFF That !! That makes me pissing angry ( as my Brit father says). The music stands up no matter who sings the shit. It is cool that D is charasmatic but I think Quest would argue that he is macking mad charisma too. So dude get over your sexual jitter, and either listen to Voodoo and enjoy or put it away. That is just straight up steppin on toes that don't need to be stepped on.

Darbw


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dude, u come at me, when your quoting NAS? lol..thats all i have to say about that..second quote..

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

never been to a levert concert, and i mean eddie, or gerald, it don't matter, women still hoot an' holler and yearn for a touch, it is about what's coming from the lungs/ mind/ heart of the performer, not just the body. And being a secure male i can tell your ass that quest is a beautiful person, and if you don't think women have wanted him, you obviously never listened to the stalker of the month recordings in his section, peace.

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I feel that. That diss was totally uncalled for. Beauty comes in all shapes, sizes, colours and demeanors. Although it's a cliche', beauty really is in the eyes of whoever's looking at it.

q.

STOP DEFENDING ?UESTS LOOKS!!!! jesus, like guard dogs, i said it was "less appealing." im sure he is a good man, a strong man, of good character, and that all those that know him would defend him on that foundation...but not knowing who he is or who dangelo is, just two regular guys walking down the street, who has the more appealing body? use your imaginations people, step outside yourselves, of course his gurl is gonna defend him, thats her duty, but the rest of u?


'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

That mofo had women going crazy back a few years ago and that was the "fat" Luther! I remember reading a review after he did a show in Savannah, GA in the late '80s. The reporter was talking about how after Luther had heated up the women in the audience and that their men were going home reaping the benefits! Luther NEVER rocked me like that but he d@mn sure did for a lot of females!

I bet most of the people posting 'round here were like me and wore the he!! out of Brown Sugar eventhough D was wearing the baggy jeans and leather jacket! I didn't know ANYTHING about this "trimmer" D when I was knockin' my sister over to catch D back in August on the Chris Rock show!

The brother worked out and wants to show his ish off! When I tighten my ish up, I'm going to be showing my ish off too so whateva!

if u respect yourself, u do not show of your body, u show off none of your strengths..u girls out there know u be hatin when another girl comes out with some short ass shit, and aint really wearing nothing, so why u gettin on me, the bottom line is he is disrespceting himself, and therefore his music, im as nutrition sensed and athletic as any college basketball player, but is it my ability to not show off my body that makes me weaker? ladies, would u respect a man who kept his fine body clothed or not? the strong women would have the former, the weak the latter..its that simple, and again, i dont expect u all to understand, for the majority of you, the great majority have no self respect..

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

my last post on this subject-

i just finished reading this months rolling stone article about d, where he himself comments about the topic im discussing 'i dont want it(being his body and taking off his clothes) to turn into a thing where thats what its all about.' and he says 'sometimes i feel uncomfortable...cause im not no stripper' and even mr. ?uest himself says 'he does it cause women want it..but he really doesnt want to do it.' wow..seems like what ive been saying all along holds water..

...d himself doesnt like it, and it makes him feel uncomfortable, just as it does me when i see it..cause hes not respecting himself nor the music, he doesnt need to do it and just because u got alot of soul-less vain women out there doesnt mean u have to give in to them, thats what im saying, and if d could read this, i know in my heart hed agree..esepcially with what ive just now read..

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

>my last post on this subject-
>
>
I'm so happy this is your last post!!!

Now, I have to disagree. I went ot see the Roots last month, and there were hoochies upon hoochies fiending to see the drummer, the cat who's with them while Q-murder is on tour. They were talking about giving the drummer some...literally. Being the drummer is not a sub-standard position. WTF? Go to any chuch and I gurantee that at least three altos, and maybe one tenor, will be battling it out for the "foine" drummer. If you're fine, you could be the dern roadie and get some wimmens. Plus, there's a pretty big ?uestlove groupie consortium up in here.

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I feel that to, But it really doen't matter what they look like. As long as they are making good music. For ?uest being the man he is, I still would acknowledge him for his music and D the same way even if he is on the drums. I know that everybody thinks d is so fine. Don't get me wrong he is fine, but yall wasn't talikng about him back in the Brown Sugar days like that.. but Yo that was a good point to put out there.

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"SMACK YOUR ASS PULL YOUR HAIR" "D'ANGELO"

"LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE" "COMMON"

I know that
>everybody thinks d is so
>fine. Don't get me wrong
>he is fine, but yall
>wasn't talikng about him back
>in the Brown Sugar days
>like that.. but Yo
>that was a good point
>to put out there.
>
>There was not website like this back then, so how would you know? I thought he was sexy back then. The boy is just sexy naturally. He doesn't have to do anything to be sexy. It seems to be something deep within in him; something he has no control over.

hey roz, intelligent respomses left and right from you..lol, 'something within him'...your right, he sold more records then, he had more women throwing panties on stage, and he had rolling stone coining him the 'sexist man in soul.' your right, it was something within him..the kid was scared to come out from behind his piano..he didnt have crazy ass women back then...god damn i wish he would just sing...and thats it..most of the women there would rather him strip then sing his songs and thats the damn truth...ask any of em, and i know you all are the exception..lol, yeah right, but if you take aside any woman at that concert..and ask her 'would u rather see d naked or sing sh*t damn motherfuker...we know the answer..hes made it more about the sexuality than the music..and its not necessary.. because more people are going to buy the cd, going to the tour because hes showing his fine ass body, and not because hes making legendary music..

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

here partner!

>and i know you all
>are the exception..lol, yeah right,
>but if you take aside
>any woman at that concert..and
>ask her 'would u rather
>see d naked or sing
>sh*t damn motherfuker...

I'd like to see your poll results on this one. Did you stand around AFTER the D'Angelo show and hand out secret ballots? I REALLY don't think you can SPEAK for females. Anyways, there were a FEW 'headz chanting "Take it Off" at the ATL show but like I said there were only a FEW of them. Hate is not a handsome characteristic son.

Back to your ORIGINAL post in this thread comparing D'Angelo and ?uest. I along w/ SEVERAL others gave you SEVERAL examples of brothers who weren't as cut as D'Angelo yet they STILL were pulling like What! So what's your response to YOUR claim? Basically your claim that D'Angelo COULDN'T or WOULDN'T be selling if he wasn;t showing the goods have basically been discounted. Brother sold 2 million copies of Brown Sugar so what about that?

Yo man i feel what u sayin, and im sure im not the only one. Its just that no one on this sight is gonna agree. You know how it goes kid.



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I'm in a somber mood, so i will not give you my consummate sarcasm. but matey, you are digging way too deep into hollow/hallowed ground. Sex/sexuality is one of the most beautiful things given to us by God. Yes, we mortals at time abuse it strictly to our advantage. But guess what? you and I wouldn't be here if it weren't for somebody getting BUCKY NAKED in the 70's (my mom & dad) and getting down right nasty! How Does It Feel? Uh, he ain't talking bout the dentist, he is talking about drilling the fuck out of his girl though. ERGO, nudity, fucking and sucking.

You're right, d could cover up his body and still have his audience captive, but what fun would that be? For the women? For himself? Who doesn't wanna be drooled over? Come on! Ricky Martin was the biggest thing since sliced bread last year, you know why? Women thought he was sexy + he had that well written (i don't care what anyone says, I liked it!) Living La Vida Loca song which = superstar.

by the way matey, you're jealousy is shining through, not pretty.

Where's the link for your website anyway?

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more laughter..lol, jealousy huh? thats all you people can say, 'well he thinks different and has respect for himself, he must be jealous'..you know to be misunderstood is often times to be great..im so happy none of u understand me..cause u dont understand self respect, u dont understand that the people buying music these days are mostly superficial, explaining how nsync can debut with 2 million sold, how can u deny that? and to say that none of that 'type' of music buyers are coming to d for his sexy ass body, just like they go to justin timberfuk for his face..is just plain dumb..shut up people, unless your gonna come with something founded, sex being fun and good to look at does not make it right..its not respecting oneself..and d said it himself that he felt uncomfortable doing it in rolling stone this month..and we all know u cant go against d, not u people, not u followers, its time to hop ship..d agrees with me, come on, some of yall need to grow a brain in the most serious way..your as mindless as those 2 million nsync fans if u dont consider the motives of your artists..


'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

>more laughter..lol, jealousy huh? thats all
>you people can say, 'well
>he thinks different and has
>respect for himself, he must
>be jealous'..you know to be
>misunderstood is often times to
>be great..im so happy none
>of u understand me..cause u
>dont understand self respect,
>dont understand that the people
>buying music these days are
>mostly superficial,

How is D' not being respectful of himself by showing his body? He ain't Jesus! He's not preaching the gospel, or trying to keep anyone from having sex. Since when is sex/sexuality equal to self respect?

explaining how nsync
>can debut with 2 million
>sold, how can u deny
>that? and to say that
>none of that 'type' of
>music buyers are coming to
>d for his sexy ass
>body, just like they go
>to justin timberfuk for his
>face..is just plain dumb..shut up
>people,

You shut up! Don't post something, get a reply, not like it, and then tell me to shutup, no you
shut
the
hell
up!

unless your gonna come
>with something founded,

you started the post, you're post, IMRO, is unfounded.

sex being
>fun and good to look
>at does not make it
>right..

How were you conceived? Immaculate conception? don't think so, Jesus doesn't come to the internet.

its not respecting oneself..and d
>said it himself that he
>felt uncomfortable doing it in
>rolling stone this month..

Dummy, having a child is uncomfortable, but you do it cause you love it. Losing your virginity is uncomfortable, but you do it cause you want an orgasm. Getting teeth fillings is uncomfortable, but you do it cause you don't want cavities. Teaching to the ignorant, now that, just plain stupid!

and we
>all know u cant go
>against d, not u people,
>not u followers, its time
>to hop ship..d agrees with
>me, come on, some of
>yall need to grow a
>brain in the most serious
>way..your as mindless as those
>2 million nsync fans if
>u dont consider the motives
>of your artists..

Your artists? I thought we were followers?

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>Dummy, having a child is uncomfortable, but you do it cause you love it. Losing your virginity is uncomfortable, but you do it cause you want an orgasm. Getting teeth fillings is uncomfortable, but you do it cause you don't want cavities. Teaching to the ignorant, now that, just plain stupid!


hey kid, thanx for supporting my opinion, by giving an ignorant one? that has to be the stupidest and infantile statement i have ever read in my entire life..need i critique it? i dont think so..lol...so, why is D doing it? because he wants what? record sales? way to prove my point while attacking it...lol, and 'losing your virginity' thats uncomfortable right, but u do it cause u want an orgasm? pleasure is always a great justifier..for the weakest people..pleasure is never a justification, at least a moral one..

do u know what ?uest thinks about this..'d does it because the women want it' how is that self respect? d is uncomfortable because the women in the audience are yelling 'take it off! take it off!' and its becoming more about his body and not the music at the shows..so how do u justify his being uncomfortable at this? i justify it as being d realizing he is disrespecting himself and consequently his craft..u justify it how?



'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

if he uses his natural sex appeal to sell records, more power to him. as long as the music is not affected by his image, why does it matter? quite honestly, you sound like someone who has long been infatuated with d'angelo and now resents that many women are now competing with you for the right to shimmy back stage and perform lung.


you better bring me some muthafuckin' cognac or i'll kill you -- supherb

i'm from the indian tribe called nava-love-a-hoe -- chino xl

offensive quote of the month: "belly" was fuckin' dope!!! i don't care what nobody says! i believe that a lot of heads just were not intellectually equipped to appreciate that film. -- okayplayer ikonoklast

lol, another attributer of jealousy

>who cares?

your right, those 2 million nsync fans dont care..i guess neither do u, and if its no big deal and he should feel good using his natural sex appeal (natural being rippig his clothes off and humping the floor) then why does he say he feels so uncomfortable doing it? could that be his consciousness telling him these women screaming "take it off!" are coming to him more for the sex and less for the music, which he says he notices..???? most of you are so effing clouded by your love for his music, sounds just like back street boy fans, or britnney fans, they defend their artists till the death, and unfortunately, never really open their eyes to them, let alone their mind..

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

does "who cares?" sound like a "to the death" defense of d'angelo? personally, i think all that prancing and dry-humping is rather blase blase -- but if that shit doesn't effect the musical quality and content, then what's the harm? i'd much prefer a musician keep his musical vision intact and alter his image than vice versa. liking or disliking a musician for their image and not the music is absurd. when the ass-shaking influences the music, then there's cause for complaint. as far as d'angelo's conscious rebelling against his image -- that's on him.


you better bring me some muthafuckin' cognac or i'll kill you -- supherb

i'm from the indian tribe called nava-love-a-hoe -- chino xl

offensive quote of the month: "belly" was fuckin' dope!!! i don't care what nobody says! i believe that a lot of heads just were not intellectually equipped to appreciate that film. -- okayplayer ikonoklast

>lol, another attributer of jealousy
>
>>who cares?
>
>your right, those 2 million nsync
>fans dont care..i guess neither
>do u, and if its
>no big deal and he
>should feel good using his
>natural sex appeal (natural being
>rippig his clothes off and
>humping the floor) then why
>does he say he feels
>so uncomfortable doing it? could
>that be his consciousness telling
>him these women screaming "take
>it off!" are coming to
>him more for the sex
>and less for the music,
>which he says he notices..????
>most of you are so
>effing clouded by your love
>for his music, sounds just
>like back street boy fans,
>or britnney fans, they defend
>their artists till the death,
>and unfortunately, never really open
>their eyes to them, let
>alone their mind..
>

I thought you were done posting a long time ago.

me 2, i apologize..

but others posted and wrongfully dissected my opinion, it must be defended..

..so deal

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

why would anyone even compare the two?

i have a thing for big men who know alot
theres a whole tribe of them in which quest is a member
Poet Martin Espada is another
perhaps there are more than three in this tribe but I haven't met them yet (although i'd love to meet them)....

dangelo is sexy as hell but it's a different kind of sexy
its a hump in the back of the barn sexy
its a wink across the church sexy

he makes you want be naughty
so quest and d have thier own vibe, thier own sexiness

dont you dare try to compare them.....
:-)




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These are just 2 examples of brothers who weren't
ripped but still got the ladies panties wet not to mention the numerous ugly ass rock stars that women still love and go crazy over. The fact is men are more concerned with how an artist looks than women. Women give it up to ugly fat ass dudes all the time but an overweight women gets no love no matter how talented.

Hello everyone!! I'm new. I'm a female from Philly. I just wanted to point out that d' had plenty of fans before voodoo even came out. I know this because I'm one of them. Sure he has thousands of more since untitled's video but he's not really showing anything but his chest. Bottom line D' is a great artist,and I can see that he has pasion for music not showing off his body.

"The soul that is within me no man can degrade"-Fredrick Douglas

just look at aretha, luther vandross(sometimes) barry white, biggie(rip), etc...skill is skill...if ?uest could sing like D, he would have fans (groupies)...like he does now! he just gets what d leaves behind...and D cant get wit all of them!!

peace

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Ok, those who've seen me post know that I'm not on any touchy-feely, be nicey-nice ish. HOWEVER, dude, your post is really, really mean. And ugly. And fucked-up. Can I call you ugly, homes? Can we talk about how much less popular I'd be if I looked like you instead of looking like the bshelly we all know and love?

I know you didn't intend it that way, and your basic point is worth talking about. But you're basically up on the Roots board calling the Root most responsible for this wonderful place ass ugly. There's one problem:

He's not. Even as a straight guy you've got to realize Quest is good shit.

So, if you really want to pursue this topic, change your login name and come about the issue in a more respectful way.

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Dorian, did you feel that?

I see where dorian is coming from, yeah true, he is coming at us in the wrong way, however, you can't dismiss the fact that he does make some valid points.

Yeah, a lot of teenage girls (sheeiiit, even my grandmoms) be lovin D cause he shows his chest and part of his ass. Is he gettin much attention and love cause of that? Hell yeah!
Is his music weak? Hell no!
Is he a no-talent artist? Hell no!

Now, dorain, you should be careful when you say that it isn't right for D to be exposing himself because #1- I know you like pornography
#2- if you had that type of body, you'd want people to notice it as well.

I think you should just be content with the music.
Never mind the fact that he shows his ass.
Personally, (as a heterosexual man) I don't care for it.
However, I'd tell D to go for his.

lol..that was good

>i know u like pornography

well, i use to, but now i get an ill feeling everytime i watch women disrespect themselves, whether it be maraih on mtv or porn or just at college...

and dont get me wrong, ive dissected voodoo since the day it came out, im in love with it, honestly..

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

calling all intellectuals!! free me from this contemptuous yearning to condescend..

i said that d's 'BODY' was 'less appealing' than ?uest's 'BODY'...

i said nothing about looks, nada..thaats just what u want to hear

'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

please no more, nothing more can be discovered or realized..its a win-less war...

..retreat!


'how can a man who regards success in life as a primary goal, be considered an artist..' -wilde

'when u come sloppy, fu*k is yall trying to do? yall in-to..some whack shit and aint saying nuttin new' -dice

You are beyond ignorant, mr. d0rian... D' is wearing less clothes this time around, yes. And he is buildt, yes. And it bothers you, yes. Are you jealous?? I wouldn't know. Are you ignorant? Yes. The bottom line to all of this is that D' is presenting his self to the world how HE wants to. d0rian's opinion doesn't mean shit to him or anybody else*(don't argue that it does cuz of this thread... I'm just trying to open your eyes). You are entitled to think that D' may need to wear more clothes, but that isn't gonna change anything. So love your voodoo like you say you do, turn your eyes when D' is naked up on your TV set, and move on with your life, but just know that all people aren't as narrow minded as you are*(regarding this issue. As I don't know you, for me to say that you have a narrow mind in general would be hypocritical). But basically, I appreciate the conversation that you sparked up, but please, pack your bags and move on... okay??? Good luck you you in the future... peace

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