Read about it, and hear the track at Hiphopsite.com

i'm getting tired of hearing about his ass. i love dre & snoop, but eminem is everything he says he's not-bsb, n'sync, britney, and christina. he knows that or else he wouldn't diss them so much.
"when i become famous, you can tell the world you slept with me:-)." t-shirt

I am a fan of Eminem, however...

>but eminem is
>everything he says he's not-bsb,
>n'sync, britney, and christina. he
>knows that or else he
>wouldn't diss them so much.

I agree, he disses those pop acts cuz he sees the direction his career is taking, and is insecure about being perceived as one of them.

And by that same logic, why do you think he disses homosexuals so much? Cuz he is insecure about his own identity on that level.


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Just like in t you are not reading very carefully. I never said Eminem was gay, I said he was insecure about his sexuality and how it will be perceived by the public.

And although Common's comments on gays are nowhere near as virulent as Eminem's, the same theory could easily apply to him as well, yes.




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damn laptop..

I was saying:

Just like in our MOP conversation you are not reading very carefully.

And yes, the same theory can apply to Common as well, I've said the same of him many times. Whenever anyone expresses irrational ammounts of animosity towards others, it usually reflects how you feel about yourself in one way or another.

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I was clownin.

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Raeshika: i bought slum used today
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Just like last time, when I turn up the heat you back out of the kitchen :)

Just clownin.

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"Awwww man, dude, you kissed a girl! That is so GAY!" - Those bullies on the Simpsons

Couldn't finish you off cause my company monitored net access there.

;-)

I think your theory may have some truth to it, because seeing Common perform, he did look a little limp-wristed/effeminate, and he may be worried about that.

However, don't you think it's equally possible that it could be nothing more than calling out behavior said emcee finds reprehensible? Lots of emcees have dissed the jiggy/thug movement. Malcolm X attacked white people hard for a good part of his speaking career. I don't think the aforementioned were insecure about being perceived as similar to the groups they lampooned. Just a thought.



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yo jay smooth, whats the deal....yo, whats the deal with the underground railroad?...me and my man used to be on the phone every tuesday nite @ 10:00 back in 92,93, and 94 like "yo u heard that?...u heard what jay smooth played?....i remember u had the UTD's on there, back when MY KUNG FU came out...i still got some of them joints on tape...matter fact, i got your freestyle on tape...lol..u said something bout dont try to be biggie with your small stuff...yo okayplayers..im not dickriding, but i miss real hip hop sh*T...yo wait till i tell my man i tracked down j-smooth...thats funny shit..peace yo...oh by the way, ufck eminem...i dont even thing i fit his target audience...at least as far as those lp's are concerned....he's got lyrics, but i guess he cant avoid that poppy appeal that comes from having platinum hair.."thong thong thong thong thong"...maybe he should lose the do, just spit lyrics...and i think he'd be wise to leave the okayplayers alone...i dont think its in his best interest to aim at a camp that includes thought, kweli, common, and stretches out to even mos def and the dead prez...(who i think would shoot eminem on sight anyway)

Peace


"Who the cap fit, let them wear it"...Bob Marley

that's really great you feel that way. now why don't you say something relevant to the topic? try it. it's fun and people seem to get a kick out of statements that make sense.

I tried to post on this yesterday but the computer wouldnt let me do it for some reason. SLim calls Evidence a geek and remarks that no one knows that Dialated actually puts out albums. Personally, i think Dialated can take out Slim on record, just think of all the things that you can rip on Eminem for (ya, slim is lyrically sick but Dialated ain't bad either). Plus, they can rip apart Slim's wack ass crew D-12. Whats everyone think. Common took out Cube i think Dialated can take out Slim. Peace.

All that bitch is doing is trying to keep his "bad boy" rep that he earned. So, now he's gonna single out any white rapper and think he has to battle and talk shit, ie: Everlast. I'm sick of his whiney, ill tempered, repetitious scenario...growing tiresome of his litte act he puts on. Can we say OVERRATED?!?

Peace,
Ziad

"Become the change you want to see in others" ~Gandhi

Cynical people around here.

Let me help calm you back down. To my knowledge, this is the first diss song Eminem has put out about a white rapper. He's had a line or two about others, but that hardly calls for a theory about him battling ANY white rapper just to project an (already well-established) bad boy image.

If you didn't actually HEAR the song, and are just talking out your ass, let me inform you. He consistently has given props to Limp Bizkit (white rapper) and Kid Rock (white rapper). So your hatred/cynicism seems unwarranted.

I think you got it wrong...

First off, he's dissed Vanilla, who's changed a lot and was an amazing freestyler (didn't he beat out KRS?). He's dissed ICP, who's amazingly popular among the "freak" population. This is his second song about Everlast and now he's starting on Dilated...

Get your facts straight...we're not "cynical", we're pissed..

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

is it just me...

or are you some sort of hiphop white supremecist? you've praised vanilla ice as "amazing", defended the insane clown posse, gassed up danny boy, the non-existant website you had in your signature was "whitethugz.com" and your quotes are by "lords of brooklyn", "xsupermodels" (who i guess is danny boy's new group) and everlast. what's going on, man?


if you don't bring me some muthafuckin' cognac, i'll kill you -- supherb

how do it feel to hold my dick in public, cock-blower? -- prodigy

I cant stand suto intellectuall mofos -- sundasill

No disrespect, but...

Frst off Vanilla Ice was known to be a great freestyler back in the day. ICP is big with a lot of kids (not me personally). XSM is a great group, and my quotes are by a group of Italians, and two Irish guys.

Notice that the people that Em is dissin are mostly white...

Second, sounds like someone else brought race into this, not me. :) I think the only "racist" is the person who calls into question my quotes and musical tastes...because I like Lordz of Brooklyn, HOP, and am helping out with a website called "whitethugz.com" (and our webdesigner is African-American).

So, no, race doesn't mean anything to me. DOes it to you?
I've seen Em and D-12 in concert and they were terrible...You couldn't make those guys good if you made Talib their writer, made them all purple, and then gave them long straight blonde hair. They sucked (in my opinion) no matter what race they are.

So, does that answer?

CH
the website is being built right now


"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

Dog-

Is the reason you hate Em because his crew is black?

Like my man said, you seem to be way too concerned about a motherfuckers skin color.

Nope..not at all. I apologize if my response was edgy...

I used to think Em was gonna be great...he had good lyrics, and so on. But, when the second CD came out, I listened to it and just got turned off to Em. It was humrous, but nothing special, and really kinda childish.

Then, he starts beef with people...unfortunately for my postings, the people he was starting beef with were all the white rap acts out there, past and present.

I don't like Em because he's just not real to me...He's a loud mouth kid. He's the kid who's always startin fights at the party, you know what I mean? He goes around causing as much beef as he can, and then when he gets hit back hard, like Everlast did to him on "Whitey's Revenge,", he's starts crying like a little girl.

I just don't like him...his music, or anything he does, really. Perhaps I'll change my opinion in the future, but probably not. If he's around in 10 years, I'll change my mind...

And D12, I don't they have much talent either...they are just kinda tag-a-long's riding Eminem's coattails to fame. Like a bunch of backup singers. Where the idea came up that I didn't like them because they were black, I have no idea. Following that logic, I would have hated the last House of Pain CD, because Divine Styler and Cockni O'Dire and Sadat X were on it...and I loved that album. When I saw Up in Smoke, which I ony really went to see because I wanted to see WestSide Connection, Em and D12 came out. It was a laughing matter...Em ran around rapping, two guys held an American Flag with D12 written on it, and the other guys just ran around and did nothing....

A lot of people get into their own musical scene, and then something like this breaks and they start commenting on it.
I have no real idea what happened between Common and Cube, so I'm not going to comment on it. But a lot of folks get a big brain and start commenting on shit they have no idea about...because they are so tied up in their own musical area. I've seen so much misinformation on this subject, because some people just don't know what's been going on....and it's irritating.

A lot of the people on this board are posting, and never even heard Whitey's Revenge off MP3 Napster.

So, there, no skin color involved, and I'm not hung up on it. The people who made first mention were not me...If I was so worried about it, I wouldn't be at the Okayplayer show in Atlanta, the J5/Dilated show, the Common show, Micranauts, and so on....not to mention all the other shows I hit where, God forbid, I'm one of the only white kids in the place...and I know that irritates some people at the show, but good music is good music, good message is good message, and God sees no color.

I'm discussing issues...not race, because that's a subject that desn't belong.


If you wanna email me and discuss this offboard, just hit me up at whitethugz_productions@hotmail.com

:)

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

>I think you got it wrong...
>
>
>First off, he's dissed Vanilla, who's
>changed a lot and was
>an amazing freestyler (didn't he
>beat out KRS?). He's
>dissed ICP, who's amazingly popular
>among the "freak" population.
>This is his second song
>about Everlast and now he's
>starting on Dilated...
>

one line in a song does not exactly constitute "battling" someone. All the people you just listed are people he devoted one or two lines to, just as I ALREADY stated. If you're as smart as you think you are, then you know that he only dissed ICP because they dissed him, and he responded with -what?- a verse?. He only dissed Everlast because Everlast dissed him. Sooooo, why this theory about him battling any white rapper? It is simply inaccurate and I pointed that out. Don't get pissed off at me...

I ain't pissed at ya! :) Nothin but love for an intelligent discussion...I hated the whole race thing coming up...

I don't think he's battling anyone, per se. One line doesn't constitue a battle...it consitutues a diss, to me. So, he's dissin' on Vanilla, on ICP, and on Everlast....

It's a back and forth thing...yea. But, doesn't it seem a little odd that he's battling with these guys, everyone of them? I think it's some kind of ocmplex or something, that he doesn't want the competition in being the "best" white rapper...

A lot of people ave proclaimed him to be one of the best "white" rappers ever...though I don't think it's the case. I'd throw him against Ev, Vanilla, Serch, any of the YBT guys, Danny Boy...or even a lot of the new underground guys out that we've mentioned on other boards. But, yes, he's got talent...

But, he's got himself a niche market, if you see what i mean. He's having diss contests with a lot of people, and of course he seems to come out on top because of his reputation as a "i don't give a fuck person" and his popularity. UNTIL he came out with this whole issue of Everlast.

I told a friend of mine, before all this happened, it was only going to be a matter of time due to the Limp Bizkit-Lethal connection, and the relationship between Limp and Em. SO, eventually, Everlast or Danny Boy, more likely Everlast, was gonna end up with something involving a problem with Em.

I think it's a niche market, a commodity now, with the excpetion of a few recognized people with credentials, espcially Everlast, that these guys wanna be the "tightest" white rapper ever. THis new guy, Haystack, being called the "tightest white rapper to ever hold a mic." When you got so many out there, all of them relative newcomers, you're gonna have a battle for king of the hill.

Em won the battle, mostly by default due to his talent and his associations with Dre and others, and ended up going against what some would consider the old guard...people like Everlast.

Problem, he just bit of more than he could chew...

Damn, I ramble, but it made sense...

A line is a diss, and those turn into battles...

CH


"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

Kid Rock and Fred Durst are not rappers....I dont even know what the hell they are, but its not rappers...Fred Durst is another pop icon...Kid rock....hmmmmm...aight, maybe a rapper...but hes on some nother other isht....as far as em and his bad boy rep...who made him a bad boy, cuz he pulled out an empty gun and beat up another white dude....oh boy, lets watch out, tuff guy...em's a geek, i think he represents the cats that used to get beat up in high school, then they ordered that kit in the back of the comic books, you know the one about the dude who gets sand kicked in his face, then he starts lifting weights and beats up the dude at the beach...thats eminem, he's a geek, a lyrically gifted geek, but alas, a geek nonetheless...unfortunately, somebody is going to pull his card one of these days...he talks so much shit that someone is bound to test him...i dont wanna see another rapper die...everlast already told him to put up the hands....i think em should chill out, we all know that things can get way to hectic really fast...its not 85' we cant have thee battles anymore without them escalating into some war...

"Can't we all just get along..?" -Rodney King

you're forgetting the best white emcee he's ever dissed, CAGE....cage ripped his ass up though in 4 letter words and so kiddies....

Mecca

cause if he's not, he's the only non-white emcee i've heard slim dis other than will smith. evidence sounds white though.


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Dove
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...and it's a product of self-hatred. counseling, group hugs, and wholesome cartoons. that's the remedy.

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You wrote that, son? I read it this spring.

Why doesn't he take on some heavy hitters like Com, Mos, Snoop, Dre, et cetera?

And how come all of these conscious mc's don't call him out for being Elvis or Pat Boone?

it's a non-issue anyway.

peace
k. orr

...and especially not Pat Boone.

Elvis and Pat Boone got some of their biggest hits from covering already successful R&B tunes made by black artists.

Eminem writes his own songs and has a unique style.

It would be one thing if Em was blatantly ripping off some black person's style...or DOC wrote his lyrics...but neither is the case, so I don't think the analogy between Eminem and Elvis or Pat Boone works.

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

elvis did bring music that was percieved as threatening to mass culture....acheived celebrity and got paid and recognition as being great when there were many who paved the road before him (he didn't do much new)........

eminem same thing.....he is appropriating black culture for the masses. this is how eminem could be elvis. do you not see this? it doesn't matter whether he was skilled or not. elvis had a nice voice. eminem has nice skills. that's fine and fucking dandy, but it's still racism.

don't front. yeah, eminem writes his lyrics, but it's still appropriation.

....the same can be said for any white artist. What you're basically asking white folks to do is to stay away from the mic because other (racist) white people would buy their CDs over other black rappers. Does that sound fair? Eminem played it by the rules. He went through the battle circuit, earning respect and taking crowns (even taking losses to greater battle emcees like Juice). He went through the underground circuit doing mad guest appearances. Dre heard his stuff and decided to extend an offer to Eminem. What was he supposed to say: "Sorry, Dre, if I work with you I'll be successful and white people who should be buying Redman will buy my CD"???? Does that make sense?

I feel you, but the difference is, Elvis was blatantly stealing, like re-doing whole songs that HAD BEEN DONE BETTER, watering them joints down, then putting them out for a suburban white audience. Eminem is just doing his thing, writing his own raps, flipping his own style. What's he supposed to do? He put on a crew of black emcees when he got clout. He's staying true to all the brothers he came up with (D-12). What else can he do?

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

before this goes anywhere where it's not supposed to, let me thank you, and say i love constructive dialogue......

i understand that distinction....

elvis - covered "devil music"
eminem - came up on his own skill.

so in this respect, elv and em are different, i agree. the thing is, whether intentional or not, em IS benefiting ALOT more than almost every other rapper (besides those who are appropriating themselves). and the shitty thing about elvis wasn't that he wasn't talented in writing.....it was that he benefited SO much more doing the same thing. it's kind of irrelevant what he was covering.....say he WAS skilled and wrote his own stuff in the same vein....he would still garner all types of accolades which every other black artist wasn't getting.

don't you think it's weird that eminem gets played on "alternative rock" radio???? this is a bad example cause radio has always been racist as hell.

but then, you're right, where is the line drawn? where does a talented white artist fall if he is genuinely skilled in a "black" artform????? i don't think it's as sinister as "elvis plotted to steal black music" or "eminem is a culture theif".....it's mass culture at large for giving them so much more.

was it all just babble????

peace spirit

...but what can Em do?

Theoretically, he could use his money to build Afrocentric charter schools in the hood or something...but I just meant as far as what can he do about racist white folks who support him but not other equally skilled black artists? urge rock radio to play more redman? buy his own 24 hour rap station? i dunno.

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

>Why doesn't he take on some
>heavy hitters like
>Snoop, Dre, et cetera?



why would he call out the people that put him on? he's got beef with Dialted for a specific reason...it was THEIR track that Everlast dissed him on...so, unlike some of his pop artist disses, this one has some reasoning behind it




peace


wally



R.I.P. Rick Wallace

wouldnt consider dre or snoop a heavy hitter...sure...they have big names...but..heavy hitters...lyrics?...naahhh...lets be real!
oh and em drops devil music too.


One Love

"Old Pirates yes the rob I, sold I to the merchant ship"

-Robert Nesta Marley

"Who the cap fit, let them wear it"

-Bob Marley

>Why doesn't he take on some
>heavy hitters like Com, Mos,
>Snoop, Dre, et cetera?

because they haven't started any shit with him, genius.
because they aren't even vaguely involved in any beef with him.

Much like Clef got dissed by LL for being in the 2nd Round KO video playing announcer, Dilated opened themselves up for dissing by giving Everlast a forum in which to dis Eminem.

Now, had Em been given props in the liner notes, or a disclaimer, etc., they might have dodged the beef. But by letting Ford dis Em and not giving any pro-Em feedback, they're guilty by association for all dissing intents and purposes.

I was surprised Dilated let Everlast do that on their LP, frankly.

When Aristotle started beef with Defari, Em stayed way out of it, thereby preserving his relationship with the Likwit Crew.

Now? Who knows.

I've rooted for both Dilated and Eminem since they were indie cats, I just hope it stays on wax and no one gets physical.


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Last week on direct effect when dilated peoples were on the show, they talked about this issue and they gave eminem props, and they said they had nothing to do with it. everlast just came in, dropped his verse and left. They also said they hoped this could be resolved on the mic without anyone taking it to far. I think this was a clear statement of their point of view.

It's one of those things you do immediately, like Em called Puff before the Lopez rhyme came out on LP.

Their album's been out since when?

That's what I meant. They should have had a disclaimer on the album somewhere. Or a press release soon after. Or they should have called him. Point is, they moved too late. The Quitter joint was probably recorded before last week.

I mean, avoiding the beef may not have been that big a priority for them til now, who knows? Maybe the heard the leak before the rest of us and then wanted to squash. Imagine if they dis now though. Em can cut up the section of DFX where they give him props, like in Linda Tripp, and it will be over.



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Raeshika: i bought slum used today
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I agree, whatever anyone says on your record you should be ready to stand by it, or else don't let it be said.


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"awwww man, dude, you kissed a girl! That is so GAY!" - Those bullies on the Simpsons

Portraying themselves as neutral like Switzerland isn't gonna hold up. Cuz if Switzerland offered land to another country's army so they could fire missiles at their enemies, Switzerland would not be neutral anymore.


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And your uninformed, whiny-assed, crybaby opinion would be?

Dilated can cut up the promo for the Slim Shady LP where Em calls fat beats and asks about the record that everyone has been calling for. The lady on the phone replies you mean "Dilated".


Pop stars should stick to dissin pop stars and stay the fuck out of the underground.

Dilated should have told Whitey to put his dis on his own record.

Especially since they came up from the underground around the same time as Em. This was as bad a move as when Aristotle set it off with Defari for no apparent reason.

All I know is, Everlast just got destroyed on Quitter. The battle's over between those two.

I hope Dilated can at least keep things close and make it interesting.......

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"Even when I say nothing, it's a brilliant use of negative space" El-P


Raeshika: i bought slum used today
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nichet00: that should go in my sig
nichet00: putting it in now

Okay first I have to say I've only heard 2 minutes of quitter, but I think that Everlast has won this battle.
His rhyming style may not be the most interesting, but he HIT HOME with the shit he said about Eminem.

And what's so cool about telling all your fans to kick Everlast's ass? He sounds like a punk trying to get everyone else to jump on his bandwagon.

Don't be so sure Eminem would destroy Evidence.
We haven't seen Evidence riled up yet.
Eminem ain't all that.
Notice he didn't dis Rakaa?
hmmm



"Just another crowd...we need a gathering instead"- Operation Ivy

"Smack it, but won't hurt it, nastee but not perverted"- Fatlip

"Me being fat and drunk is just the unspoken truth"- Ryan aka RGD2 aka Ralph de la Simpsons

"Limitless entrance, pay to the order of the cypher slaughterer my mic slappin you senseless"-Black Thought

The part where Em clowns Everlast for getting outrocked and his DJ stolen by Limp Bizkit is classic. Also the "country western rap is good" dis is hilarious. Plus the one about how Everlast had to go country to revive his career? I felt bad for Everlast. It's over. Trust me. Over. THEN the Hit Em Up beat comes in and the "Kill Whitey" chant starts? OVER. I could not stop laughing. This is Bitch in Yoo type material.

AIM: nichet00

"Even when I say nothing, it's a brilliant use of negative space" El-P


Raeshika: i bought slum used today
Raeshika: returned it 3 hrs later.
nichet00: ha ha
nichet00: that should go in my sig
nichet00: putting it in now

THEN the Hit Em
>Up beat comes in and
>the "Kill Whitey" chant starts?
>OVER. I could not stop
>laughing. This is Bitch in
>Yoo type material.

i don't think so. "bitch in yoo" was much harder IMO. and com was on there by himself. three verses of straight crazy clever punchlines. em's verse has filler like the stuff about telling his fans to whip everlast's ass. that's not a clever line, that's inciting to riot. eminem is a MUCH better battle lyricist than this track shows. I think he's letting his emotions get the better of him. it sounded like "hit him up" to me, all rage, not much creativity in content. "hit em up" is raw and this is raw, but neither is as lyrical as "the bitch in yoo".

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

Em gets in Everlast. Clowing him for getting his DJ stolen, for his "country-western" style, it's rough. 3rd verse on it becomes more Hit Em Up, but the first two verses are lyrical ass-whipping at its finest.

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go to www.eminem.com and download 97 Rap Olympics to hear Eminem ripping battle lyrics. That's the level of battle lyricism I expect from Em. He came after Everlast on a kiddie level. Believe me, son gets much iller than that. I think he was just too angry to focus. Or he hasn't been practicing his battle skills lately. I'm telling you, if he goes back to his level at the 97 Olympics, very few people are seeing him on the mic...

(unfortunately, his site didn't include the replies....I would love to see the Eminem v. Juice battle (which he lost) in total....Juice is ILL)

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

got the first 4 1/2 minutes, which is apparently all anyone has.

yeah, em crushed everlast. only had a line or two about evidence. evidence could really ignore this, all em really said was dilated doesn't sell records. that's not even much of a dis. but em killed everlast. ouch.

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

actually i got the who song its 6:44. One of the cats from D12 disses Rakka too. Its funny.

the "Hit Em Up" part is hilarious. "honkey I hit em up!"
quotes from the song:
"get this shit out of stereo/ dilated get violated / fuck around and get annihilated"

"iriscience get choked up and yoked up / all you underground bitches get your throat cut"

opus.... the okayheckler

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the amphibians
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>actually i got the who song
>its 6:44. One of
>the cats from D12 disses
>Rakka too. Its funny.
>
>
>the "Hit Em Up" part is
>hilarious. "honkey I hit
>em up!"
>quotes from the song:
>"get this shit out of stereo/
>dilated get violated / fuck
>around and get annihilated"
>
>"iriscience get choked up and yoked
>up / all you underground
>bitches get your throat cut"
>
It's one thing to diss Everlast. Another to diss Dilated. But when your say "all you underground bitches get your throat cut" that's when the true hip hop heads the underground cats have been given an open invitation to join the battle.

I hope the west coast underground unleashes a track with the likes of Cali Agents, Mikal Myers...... The underground is too deep to be opening up that can of works....

does underground = true heads?

the roots ain't underground anymore.

is Common underground? please


opus.... the okayheckler

the masterminds
http://www.themasterminds.net
we got joints!

the amphibians
http://www.theamphibians.com
check spirit for reasons to visit the site.

Opus didn't you put a link to Pearl Jam on the Masterminds website. I'd be wasting my time talking to you about true headz.

i didn't make the link page, i redesigned the site and kept all the original content.

opus.... the okayheckler

the masterminds
http://www.themasterminds.net
we got joints!

the amphibians
http://www.theamphibians.com
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man, please. it ain't got shit to do with mykill myers or cali agents. when he said "underground bitches", it's pretty clear dude was referred to dilated peoples. anyone who thinks otherwise is silly.

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

There is as creativity in communicating of emotion on a track as in creating clever punchlines. Personally, I like songs with feeling...

I think you guys underestimate Pac (and others) by defining smart, creative, clever in ways that exclude what they do & glorify what Em & Common types do. I guarantee you Em couldn't effectively deliver a Hit Em Up vibe...that is a talent.

I agree with that although I think you're underestimeating Em in that regard. His ability to vividly project emotions (and dysfunctions) through his vocals is one of his biggest strengths. He has a wider emotional range than most any emcee out there.

Jay Smooth
WBAI 99.5 FM in NY
http://www.hiphopmusic.com

"Awwww man, dude, you kissed a girl! That is so GAY!" - Those bullies on the Simpsons

>He
>has a wider emotional range
>than most any emcee out
>there.

gotta disagree there.

haven't seen eminem display love or joy yet. as such, his range is limited.

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

>gotta disagree there.
>
>haven't seen eminem display love or
>joy yet. as such, his
>range is limited.

Limited compared to whom? Who would you say has expressed emotion more effectively than him, within their delivery?

Most of the emotions he explores are dark, but he is still showing us many different shades.

Damn, gotta run...was gonna say listen to Stan, and the different state of mind reflected in his voice in each verse... how many emcees have done something so subtle ad effective?

Jay Smooth
WBAI 99.5 FM in NY
http://www.hiphopmusic.com

"Awwww man, dude, you kissed a girl! That is so GAY!" - Those bullies on the Simpsons

Just the Two of Us. He repeated shows love towards his daughter on the song. Quite convincingly in fact.

He shows conflicted love and hurt on Kim as well.


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Have you even heard Whitey's Revenge?

Let's see....some of the lines from Whitey's Revenge....

"You need to check that kid for your DNA..."
"Instead of worryin about who you should be dissin, you need to worry about who your wife's been kissin."
"With your little blonde Casear, you look like a hoe, like Eminem stands for Marylin Monroe."
"With your Candy Ass name your a Candy ass rapper."

I don't think you've heard that song...

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

It was a respectable comeback.
But:

The first two verses in Quitter destroy everlast:
He gets clowned for having his DJ stolen by Limp Bizkit and taking it out on Fred Durst
He gets clowned for resorting to "country-western rap" to sell records after he deservedly fell off (those last HOP albums were WACK)
He gets clowned for dissing Eminem to revive his career. (Em drops a theory that may have some truth to it: feeling overshadowed by Kid Rock, and Limp Bizkit in the rap-rock realm, Everlast disses the hugely popular Eminem to get more media attention)
Plus the multi-syllable rhyme-scheme is ill as always.

Em was less cartoonish for the first two verses and really rips into everlast in a Common like manner, meaning "this is what you did, here's why you probably did it, and by the way, you're wack for doing so". Talk about disses grounded in truth; those hurt the most. Ouch.






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I disagree. Truth Crushed to the Earth shall Rise Again was a good album. I was surprised by how much I liked it. Okay, why is it that you are jumping on Everlast for switching his style to include more singing and music, the same thing everybody is praising Outkast for?

So ask someone else. Other than Aquemeni and a few songs off the first LP, I can't stand listening to them. I respect their lyrical prowess, but, they're not my cup o tea overall.

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So, is Everlast wack because he added more singing and music to his songs?

And by the way, I am a big Outkast fan.

Perhaps no one saw, but Evidence did say a little something about Em.

The new Entertainment Weekly, with Ben and Gwenth on the front...
Look in the back, and you'll find a picture of Everlast holding Em up in the air abotu to punch him. Next to it says a quote by Evidence, who is descpribed as an Everlast friend...he says, "I do hope for Em's sake it never goes physical...Everlast is a big guy."

So, more than one reason.

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

I love a good battle! If Dilated does a response, they should let okayplayer.com have the exclusive rights to the song (i.e. Common's Heat video). That would bring a whole lot of traffic here cuz people are gonna wanna hear it. Angieee, get on the horn with Rakka!
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I am sick of this Eminem BS. Okay, so him and Everlast want to go at it a little bit. In my opinion, this should have ended after the em response, because Everlast should have just realized that eminem needs to maintain his public persona by being 'bad' and attacking constantly. Nevertheless, he came back, and in the new response, 'Quitter' Eminem makes a fool of himself.

Granted, people are eating this up. Salivating at the drama of revenge. I see Eminem as starving for approval, hip-hop legitimacy. That is my opinion and it may not be shared. In bringing this beef to Dilated, he associates himself with legitimate 'underground' hip hop, far away from his MTV base.

I wouldn't be surprised at this point for Em to put out a record dissing the Beat Junkies (Babu), everyone associated with them (Rawkus), or whoever else he can get his hands on.

And he's still not skilled like Evidence. That's the bottom line, and whether Ev proves it or just disregards this trash, I know it to be true.

oh, and 'Jump Around' can still rock a party better than any Em joint.

bw
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--
"You kick my dog, and now it needs operation."

Sometimes I get Ev and Rakaa confused.

In light of that....

Evidence and Eminem I think would be a close battle. This is not to say that Em has skills. I think his flow is annoying, his 'new' voice effect is pure brain pain, and his content mostly is a waste of space. Ev is the weaker link in DP though.

'Jump Around' still rocks.


bw
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--
"You kick my dog, and now it needs operation."

Are you forgetting not too long ago Dilated and Eminem were on the same show freestyling?

Are you forgetting Em patrolled the underground Circa 97?

Are you forgetting how many Rawkus/independent singles he's appeared on?

Are you forgetting Dilated was dumb enough to let Everlast start beef on THEIR record?

Are you forgetting that, during that freestyle session, Eminem blew everyone away, including Dilated, with that 5 ways to get a record deal freestyle?

Em started underground with Dilated, and probably felt betrayed by the whole incident. Wouldn't you?

I'm sorry, if you print the lyrics to each dis joint, Em wins hands down. I felt bad for everlast listening to Quitter, and I only heard 4 minutes of it.



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First of all, I don't like Em's flow. That will probably not change.

>Are you forgetting not too long ago Dilated and Eminem were on >the same show freestyling?

They were at the same show, and now DP is the object of his attack. Something changed. Em has a different primary audience now.

>Are you forgetting Em patrolled the underground Circa 97?

I knew that I was going to get nailed the instant the 'underground' word dropped from my mouth, and I probably shouldn't have used it. I am not an elitist. I have heard the old Em stuff, and I didn't like it then either.

I want to retract my use of that word. However, I maintain that Eminem is searching for approval. I personally would have lost respect I had for him when My Name Is, etc. dropped, and I think he knows this. As much as he is cultivating his style he wants everyone to love him, MTV, the fans of DP, everyone. This is not wrong.

>Are you forgetting how many Rawkus/independent singles he's >appeared on?

My example using Em bashing Rawkus and the Beat Junkies was because this seems an unnecessary continuation. They were chosen at random because of his association with them.

At this point I want to say that I feel like DP made an error in letting Everlast say what he said in the first place. However, the fact that they screwed up did not necessitate Em's spreading the attack to them. On one level, he was dissed by Everlast. Okay, perhaps a response is justified. But then again maybe it's not! Why sink to the level? If he has less than zero respect for Everlast, then he really shouldn't have felt any obligation. It could have been worked out otherwise. If you get punched by the school bully, do you have to punch back? Do you understand that this exacerbates the problem, rather than ameliorating them?

Isolating the conflict to Em and Everlast, their continued revenge attacks are justified. One attacks, the other fights back, a cycle without end. Eminem had no reason to expand it, and it was his choice to do so. That was unneeded.

> Are you forgetting Dilated was dumb enough to let Everlast >start beef on THEIR record?

See above. Yes, they were dumb. Maybe Eminem should have recognized that they were being dumb, and not marking themselves for his attacks. He could have looked past it, if he didn't need the spotlight of battle - this everlast eminem thing is everywhere now.

> Are you forgetting that, during that freestyle session, >Eminem blew everyone away, including Dilated, with that 5 ways >to get a record deal freestyle?

Okay. That was then, and maybe it would be different now. Maybe it wouldn't. This is not the crux of my problem with the escalation, as you can read above.

> Em started underground with Dilated, and probably felt >betrayed by the whole incident. Wouldn't you?

Sure. He could have also called them up, talked it out with them. And for that, things might be stronger in the rap community. What kind of a picture do you think this is painting for the hungry media? The last thing hip hop needs in the public eye is two visible people telling others to physically attack their rival. Whether we recognize the words as words only doesn't matter to the strides hip hop was making with a positive image in society.

NOTE: hip hop doesn't need media support, but why show the public the 0.1% of hip hop that is like this? I would love one day to hear The Roots or Talib Kweli in the mall....

> I'm sorry, if you print the lyrics to each dis joint, Em >wins hands down. I felt bad for everlast listening to Quitter, >and I only heard 4 minutes of it.

I make no statements about Everlast's lyrical prowess. I just thought 'Jump Around' was a good party jam.

bw
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--
"You kick my dog, and now it needs operation."

this shit is great. if everyone heeded your advice and called their rivals on the phone to sort out their differences, we wouldn't have "the bridge is over", "to the break of dawn", "dre day", "fuck compton", "lyte as a rock", "no vasaline", "drop a gem on 'em", "second round ko", etc. when shit escalates to violence, we've got problems...but advocating the purging of dis tracks from hiphop's collective ideology is a bitch move. who gives a fuck if the media focuses on beef instead of the other elements of the genre...i care about the music, not what MTV or "time magazine" discusses in their coverage.

i'm glad eminem brought dialated into the battle instead of picking on a former rapper turned folk singer. shit, i wish he'd named names when he mentioned all the people making money off tupac and christopher wallace like they "switched wallets". dialated can squash this and look like bitches or ante up.


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> we wouldn't have ..."drop a gem on 'em

Hey does that track by Mobb Deep refer 2 their battle w/ Keith Murray? BTW heres my favorite quote so far from HNIC:



I'll battle you in the flesh, I'll battle you on the net, I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect -Canibus

I'm still official, (why) cuz I'm on a roll like toilet tissue -Ras Kass

Some think I'm clever, others think I'm the one who makes too many references 2 weather...or not. -Evidence of Dialated Peoples

They never know we enemies until they hear me say it, till their kids on the phone sayin please Daddy pay it, till their brains on the floor, mixed on the pavement. -Nas

Blow you off the atlas, as if, I caught you fuckin my wife, on my thousand dollar mattress. -Havoc of Mobb Deep

I stand out like a nigga on a hockey team...I'm Nestle when its crunch time...Weight on my shoulder, flucuates like Oprah, my refridgerator poetry's magnetic like Ultra, you could'nt hang if you was a poster. -Common

Drop A Gem On Em is about Tupac. They have a Keith Murray diss that I think is called something like "The War is On" or something to that effect. I'm not sure, I heard it on a mix tape.

>Drop A Gem On Em is
>about Tupac. They have a
>Keith Murray diss that I
>think is called something like
>"The War is On" or
>something to that effect. I'm
>not sure, I heard it
>on a mix tape.

Do you got that Mister Cee mix tape of Mobb's greatest hits? Any Mobb Deep fan definitly needs 2 cop it. Theres hella unrealsed shit on there w/ Xzibit,Cormega etc.. nice remixes as well.

I'll battle you in the flesh, I'll battle you on the net, I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect -Canibus

I'm still official, (why) cuz I'm on a roll like toilet tissue -Ras Kass

Some think I'm clever, others think I'm the one who makes too many references 2 weather...or not. -Evidence of Dialated Peoples

They never know we enemies until they hear me say it, till their kids on the phone sayin please Daddy pay it, till their brains on the floor, mixed on the pavement. -Nas

Blow you off the atlas, as if, I caught you fuckin my wife, on my thousand dollar mattress. -Havoc of Mobb Deep

I stand out like a nigga on a hockey team...I'm Nestle when its crunch time...Weight on my shoulder, flucuates like Oprah, my refridgerator poetry's magnetic like Ultra, you could'nt hang if you was a poster. -Common

>>Are you forgetting not too long ago Dilated and Eminem were on >the same show freestyling?
>
>They were at the same show,
>and now DP is the
>object of his attack. Something
>changed. Em has a different
>primary audience now.

That's more a function of Dre-produced artists being MTV locks than it is a conscious change of rhyme style. Compare the LP to the EP, not only are some songs the same, but the middle finger to everyone style is the same. DP should have left it alone. Do you think Common would let Sean Lett spit an anti-Black Thought verse on his album? Don't think so.

>
>I want to retract my use
>of that word. However, I
>maintain that Eminem is searching
>for approval. I personally would
>have lost respect I had
>for him when My Name
>Is, etc. dropped, and I
>think he knows this. As
>much as he is cultivating
>his style he wants everyone
>to love him, MTV, the
>fans of DP, everyone. This
>is not wrong.

I mean, he hasn't changed his style for anyone really. I'd say it's the opposite. I can make the argument that certain okayartists became progressively more pop tinged, perhaps to sell more records (i.e. replacing Jill Scott w/a more radio/video friendly Erykah Badu). Eminem doesn't succumb to any of the time-honored ways of making a quick pop hit: i.e., R&B hooks on his singles, rhyming over jacked beats, etc. Moreover, he's taken aim at many of the beloved pop staples that currently anchor TRL. He took a chance at offending many MTV viewers by dissing the boy bands, Britney, Christina, etc. I think he's pissed that a lot of people are saying that now that he's on MTV, he's pop, when other groups that clawed their way to MTV doing things that can be construed as selling out, i.e. Roots, Common, don't get half the flack.

>
>At this point I want to say that I feel like DP made an error in letting Everlast say what he said in the first place.
>However, the fact that they
>screwed up did not necessitate
>Em's spreading the attack to
>them. On one level, he
>was dissed by Everlast. Okay,
>perhaps a response is justified.
>But then again maybe it's
>not! Why sink to the
>level? If he has less
>than zero respect for Everlast,
>then he really shouldn't have
>felt any obligation. It could
>have been worked out otherwise.
>If you get punched by
>the school bully, do you
>have to punch back? Do
>you understand that this exacerbates
>the problem, rather than ameliorating
>them?

Depends on what your objective is. It's like when we nuked Japan. They brought it on themselves with Pearl Harbor. After we nuked them, nobody messed with us for years. We made such an example out of them that countries wouldn't mess with us for fear of being blown up. Think of the last time someone attacked American shores. Same goes for the bully. If you take a bat from the gym and beat him savagely, people may think you're psycho and never start stuff with you again. That being said, if Em destroys Everlast, maybe peeps will stop dissing him. How many peeps dare dis Common after his retort to Cube?
>
>Isolating the conflict to Em and
>Everlast, their continued revenge attacks
>are justified. One attacks, the
>other fights back, a cycle
>without end. Eminem had no
>reason to expand it, and
>it was his choice to
>do so. That was unneeded.

Beef records can become hip-hop classics. It's a time-honored tradition, like it or not. The Bridge is Over is classic and it was dissing the Juice Crew, etc. Sometimes it brings out the best in MC's. LL started paying attention to his lyrics after he got embarassed by Canibus. The only problem comes when people want to get physical. Other than that, beef can produce some of the best hip-hop.
>
>See above. Yes, they were dumb.
>Maybe Eminem should have recognized
>that they were being dumb,
>and not marking themselves for
>his attacks. He could have
>looked past it, if he
>didn't need the spotlight of
>battle - this everlast eminem
>thing is everywhere now.

He also reserved the right to look at it as backstabbing and therefore worthy of retaliation.
>

>
>Sure. He could have also called
>them up, talked it out
>with them. And for that,
>things might be stronger in
>the rap community. What kind
>of a picture do you
>think this is painting for
>the hungry media? The last
>thing hip hop needs in
>the public eye is two
>visible people telling others to
>physically attack their rival. Whether
>we recognize the words as
>words only doesn't matter to
>the strides hip hop was
>making with a positive image
>in society.

I agree that the physical threats should be left out of it. Everlast started with the "put down the mic let's fight" declaration. Again, Em reserves the right to respond in kind. Disclaimer: Em's violence has always been cartoonish in nature, and his threats to Everlast now are more of the same.
It's like this though: as long as ODB is still alive and Puffy is not in a wheelchair, forget about hip-hop making strides in the media. Moreover, rock has had its share of altercations, even attempted murders between beefing bands. Yes it's ignorant, but be glad Em and everlast haven't gotten physical as of yet. That's more of a plus, considering how Puffy ruined it for all black executives AND artists a few years ago. Truly, when you think about it's been individual artists whyling out rather than beef that's gotten hip-hop the negative publicity of late.
>
>NOTE: hip hop doesn't need media
>support, but why show the
>public the 0.1% of hip
>hop that is like this?
>I would love one day
>to hear The Roots or
>Talib Kweli in the mall....

That's easy. Sex, violence and drama sell. Positivity doesn't. Plus people might take umbrage to hearing the "N" word repeatedly in public through the mall speakers.
>
>
>> I'm sorry, if you print the lyrics to each dis joint, Em >wins hands down. I felt bad for everlast listening to Quitter, >and I only heard 4 minutes of it.
>
>I make no statements about Everlast's
>lyrical prowess. I just thought
>'Jump Around' was a good
>party jam.
>
No doubt, but if Em can write something like that for Everlast, Dilated doesn't stand a chance. Plus Em can cut up that DFX episode where they just gave him props. I respect Dilated, but they're in a no-win situation right here.


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I am about to quit talking about this, but I wanted to restate a couple of things.

1. Concerning the extension of the beef between Everlast and Eminem to Dilated Peoples.

I like battles as much as the next person. However, this seems to have lost some of the 'fun' flavor of the older ones mentioned, and it keeps going. My thought was not for Everlast and Em to hug and end it, but for Dilated and Em to clear up their problems. Everlast vs. Eminem is Everlast vs. Eminem, and either it continues, or someone wins. That's it, DP didn't need to be brought it. The danger here is when more people get sucked in to the fight.

2. Concering my statements about the 'public image' of hip hop.

Yes, I too care more about the music than what Time or Newsweek thinks about it. However, I feel that this chain of events is giving hip hop a name it doesn't deserve. This is not characteristic of what is happening in the music today, and so all I am saying is that it is sad that this is what people will know. We are in the business of bringing the music to other people so it can do for them what it does for us. I don't want someone to let this preclude them from enjoying Mos Def or Common with an open mind.

3. Everlast is not major league, nor does anyone think so.

This is not, by any means, a Battle of the Titans. I don't see Everlast as much of a lyricist. Eminem 'destroying' him wouldn't do much in my respect for him for this reason.

I am not going to address the Japan analogy other than I think the analysis is off base.

Keep it in the industry - battle on wax, and watch what violence you advocate, on both sides. This can be positive, in building both of them and providing a show to watch, or it can be negative, trashing the 'image' which may not matter so much, or more than that, ending in real violence.

Jump Around is still a tight party jam. Maybe I'll go listen to it now.

bw
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Ive heard that freestyle and i chose not to cite it here, becuase i find it hard to belive that it was off the head. anyone can write verses and memorize them. just my opinion.

Ev's verse appeared on "Long Awaited".

Being that they were all writtens, Em's still blew everyone's out of the water. At the point they're competing on the same plain...........

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Are you forgetting that every "freestyle" Em used on the wakeupshow was also used on every other show he had done that year.

Listen to Dilated's music from 90 all the way till now.

Then go listen to em's infinite.

There are true Emcees and there are people who switch up there style to keep up with the trends. Real emcees and Djs such as Dilated and Bab's will always be around.

I hope Shady doesn't beat me with an unloaded gun.....

You're talking about that album that never made it on Epic, right? Ev sounds nothing like he does now. Dilated and Em have both changed a lot. I don't know how big an issue that is, considering they all switched up before they got signed, but Dilated sounds way different now. I had to listen close on some joints to make sure it was Ev and not a guest star.

And, regardless of how many times it was used, Em's written blew away Ev's.

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ev's old stuff sounds a lot like his live performance

ev's old stuff sounds a lot like his live performance

ev's old stuff sounds a lot like his live performance

>Are you forgetting that every "freestyle"
>Em used on the wakeupshow
>was also used on every
>other show he had done
>that year.

are YOU forgetting the times Eminem has ripped freestyles completely off the head that were still amazing?! Damn, you've got Napster, right? I've got audio files of Stretch Armstrong giving him random words that Em turned into rhyming sentences. So let's not try to paint a picture of him as not being as skilled a freestylist as anyone else, okay?


>Listen to Dilated's music from
>90 all the way till
>now.
>
>Then go listen to em's infinite.
>
>
>There are true Emcees and there
>are people who switch up
>there style to keep up
>with the trends. Real
>emcees and Djs such as
>Dilated and Bab's will always
>be around.

anytime some person starts with, "there are true emcees..." you know you're gonna hear some elitist, pretentious shit. I can't believe you've got me defending Eminem! So now true MC's never switch styles, or try to keep up with changing styles and preferences?

Please. Please. Please. Shut up. Or at least give me a list of TRUE MC's. Please. So I can show you how they changed styles. I dare you.

I have the same shit w/ Stretch. You don't actually think those rhymes are tight do you?

well, they're about the same level as Black Thought's when he does them. And considering that that is about the hardest thing to do in terms of freestyling, I consider it "amazing", which is not necessarily "tight"; amazing meaning it is impressive. I've never really heard a REAL freestyle that I'd call "tight".

check out Super Nat if you get a chance.

I'm not here to teach. If you don't know the difference between a true emcee and a real emcee maybe your on the wrong website.

ask eminem about real mcs and whatnot. he brings that up in the dis

>Are you forgetting that every "freestyle"
>Em used on the wakeupshow
>was also used on every
>other show he had done
>that year.

Unfortunatly Ive listened 2 the Sway and Tech (Vol 6 I believe) and Evidence's "so called" freestyles (both of them) are the exact same verses off The Platform album

I'll battle you in the flesh, I'll battle you on the net, I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect -Canibus

I'm still official, (why) cuz I'm on a roll like toilet tissue -Ras Kass

Some think I'm clever, others think I'm the one who makes too many references 2 weather...or not. -Evidence of Dialated Peoples

They never know we enemies until they hear me say it, till their kids on the phone sayin please Daddy pay it, till their brains on the floor, mixed on the pavement. -Nas

Blow you off the atlas, as if, I caught you fuckin my wife, on my thousand dollar mattress. -Havoc of Mobb Deep

I stand out like a nigga on a hockey team...I'm Nestle when its crunch time...Weight on my shoulder, flucuates like Oprah, my refridgerator poetry's magnetic like Ultra, you could'nt hang if you was a poster. -Common

That rhyme from the Wake Up Show wasn't a freestyle...hardly any of the cats that come on there actually freestyle, they just recite rhymes that they've already written. For instance, look at Canibus' "freestyle" from the Sway&Tech CD...how many times have you heard that?!? 5, maybe 6 different songs? Em's rhyme on there was far from a freestyle, you can tell. It's the composition of it all. But, I guess it isn't noticeable to the untrained ear. Sorry do disappoint you.

Peace,
Ziad

"Become the change you want to see in others" ~Gandhi

read the "all of them spit writtens, actually" post.
Thanks for your time.


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Chill the fuck out...you think I'm gonna sit here and read almost 100 posts about this subject? I didn't know anyone had said shit about that earlier. Cool out kid. I got better things to do with my time than live on okayplayer and read every post.

Peace,
Ziad

"Become the change you want to see in others" ~Gandhi

Look, you came hard, tried to be condescending, were off base, and got called out. No need to start cursing at me. Sounds like you may need to calm down yourself.


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Wow. You are very cynical. So your theory is that Eminem is doing this to maintain a "bad" public persona? He's dissing them to regain some connection to the "underground"?

I sincerely don't believe Eminem is really sweating the Dilated Peoples demographic, he sold 8 million records in a couple months.

I don't even like him a lot, but I realize bias when I see it. You REALLY don't like him. Cool. But realize (have you HEARD the song?) that he simply mentioned them in ONE line of a song. You're drawing an awful lot of theory off a stanza.

That's all I have to say, now back to normality

Can't wait for the Black Thought solo!


bw
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dialated peoples are on this site right? aren't they the ones with the subway site? i forget...

anyway, the name of their song is "token" it's addressed to dre and talks about how dre is using him like suge knight used dre...sins of the father and all that shit. i just heard it and it's hot as shit, these kids called the duck tape pros from philly are on it. now it seems that em can't catch a break.

it should be on napster soon, and i think that dude rakaa said something about doing a video for it and hiding it in their website.

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if they don't diss back, they are quite bitchlike, and should get no respect.

if they do diss back, they've got a chance to make some noise/ $$$.

do they even have a choice in this?

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Any more info on this "token" track?? where did u hear it, where could we hear it, get it?

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Eminem had a right to diss Everlast because of that track, but I dont think that Dilated Peoples could really change that verse. But, now he has gone the wrong way and dissed dilated and that is going to be a mistake for Eminem. Eminem would easily have taken out Everlast lyrically, but I think that Evidence would be able to destroy Eminem lyrically. And that is only half of Dilated. A combination track of the whole Dilated Peoples group dissing Eminem would be too much for Eminem and his whole D-12 group to which they cannot compare. I just want to hear Dilated's diss track because I know it will be Ill.


As for mine, I be sixty in my prime, still sciencin theories and dropping rhymes all the time.
- Evidence

Don't be so quick to assume Eminem would rip Everlast in a freestyle battle. White E. Ford can still rhyme... he's never put the mic down. Sure he's picked up a guitar and put his raspy voice to work with some success, but he's rooted in hip hop and don't expect that to change.

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>Don't be so quick to assume
>Eminem would rip Everlast in
>a freestyle battle. White
>E. Ford can still rhyme...
>he's never put the mic
>down. Sure he's picked
>up a guitar and put
>his raspy voice to work
>with some success, but he's
>rooted in hip hop and
>don't expect that to change.

Actually I'm real quick 2 not only assume but know for 4 sure that Em will tear Everlast up in a freestyle battle. E-last is aiiiight but Em (no matter how much people wanna dis him) is a very clever lyrical wizard and he would seriously embare-ass E-last, which is the primary reason why he E-last would rather challenge Slim 2 a fist fight instead of a lyrical battle. In regards 2 Dialated, I havent really heard the joint yet but it seems Em is primarily calling out Evidence. Evidence is a nice rapper and a real cool cat as I got chance 2 talk 2 him for awhile during the Word of Mouth tour, anyway I'm a fan of both parties but honestly I dont think Evidence wants 2 battle Em. Regardless of whether you like him or not he spits ill shit and in a freestyle battle hes tearin up alot of dope emceess out there 2day. Other than Ras Kass, Redman, Canibus and a few others that I cant think of right now, Eminem is gonna eat em up in a freestyle battle. Just my opinion.

P.S. Everlast shoulda never started this shit


I'll battle you in the flesh, I'll battle you on the net, I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect -Canibus

I'm still official, (why) cuz I'm on a roll like toilet tissue -Ras Kass

Some think I'm clever, others think I'm the one who makes too many references 2 weather...or not. -Evidence of Dialated Peoples

They never know we enemies until they hear me say it, till their kids on the phone sayin please Daddy pay it, till their brains on the floor, mixed on the pavement. -Nas

Blow you off the atlas, as if, I caught you fuckin my wife, on my thousand dollar mattress. -Havoc of Mobb Deep

I stand out like a nigga on a hockey team...I'm Nestle when its crunch time...Weight on my shoulder, flucuates like Oprah, my refridgerator poetry's magnetic like Ultra, you could'nt hang if you was a poster. -Common

For the record, Evidence is Italian, Puerto Rican, and Russian....


Eminem came real hard on 'Quitter', but i think Dilated will retaliate with somethin real ill. Also, don't forget Dilated got a dope crew, Defari, the Liks, J5, etc... who might also get involved.
But what about Xzibit? He used to be down with all the underground LA emcees, but now he's hooked up with Dre(eminem's partner in crime).

Dilated and Barbershop are all part of the Likwit crew. Which by the way Xzibit is also apart of. If X really wants to "Stay on top but remain from the underground" He needs to stay true to Dilated cause thats where his true fans came from (the underground), when x was claiming "the Dirty Angels", dilated, defari and xzibit.

>Dilated and Barbershop are all part
>of the Likwit crew.

Maybe I shouldve done a new post and I will if no one answers me, but who exactly is in the Likwit crew? I know tash and the alkaholiks and whatnot, but then Xzibit and Defari, and Dilated...damn I could go on and on.. Anyone know the True Likwit crew??

And how I weigh in on this...Em wins. I LOOOOOVE Dilated, but Em will always come back with some funny shit that will make u go, "Damn he said that shit?" Even if it is mad stupid and not relevant, it will be funny. I do think Dilated will drop some knowledge, if they write back, which I dont see them doing. But Em got the audience and support behind him and he will take it.

BTW thanx for tellin me what Evidence's nationality was. I have met him a few times, and always wondered what he was.

BUT who is in the Likwit crew now??

WhiGoStaR-Reppin OKAYoungins since, um, a couple days ago :P

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peace

likwit crew is:

Liks (E-Swift, Tash, J-Ro)
King Tee
Xzibit
Defari
Lootpack (Madlib/Quasimoto, DJ Rome, Wildchild)
Barbershop MC's (Phil Da Agony, Chuck Hustle, Chocolate Tye, some other cats too, i forget their names)


affiliates of the likwit camp:
Dilated Peoples
Declaime

For those that don't know, way back in '98, the Liks had beef w/ Eminem, and flew out to detroit. Eminem was on the wakeupshow w/ Everlast, Dilated Peoples, Defari, and some white boy named Aristotle. Out of nowhere during the session, Aristotle started dissing Defari. Everybody was shocked cuz they aint even know each other, evey sway and tech were kinda stunned. The Likwit camp thought Aristotle was down w/ Em, which he wasnt, so they flew out to Detroit deep as hell to confront Em on it. Em from what i hear pussied out and basically said it was a misunderstanding. He isnt down w/ Aristotle anyway, but the Liks probably took his heart.

I talked to Defari about this incident personally last year when he was on that tour w/ Xzibit and Phife Dog. I know the deal about that situation.

Em's a b*tch. He didnt mention Phil Da Agony, Defari, Iriscience, or Defari, and goes straight for the "white" looking emcees. If that aint a b*tch move, i dont know what is. I heard a few black cats dissed Eminem, namely Ras Kass. Somebody else (i forget who) called him out for talkin' sh*t about Lauryn Hill.

I wonder what Xzibit thinks of all this sh*t.

>peace
>
>likwit crew is:
>
>Liks (E-Swift, Tash, J-Ro)
>King Tee
>Xzibit
>Defari
>Lootpack (Madlib/Quasimoto, DJ Rome, Wildchild)
>Barbershop MC's (Phil Da Agony, Chuck
>Hustle, Chocolate Tye, some other
>cats too, i forget their
>names)
>
>
>affiliates of the likwit camp:
>Dilated Peoples
>Declaime
>
>For those that don't know, way
>back in '98, the Liks
>had beef w/ Eminem, and
>flew out to detroit.
>Eminem was on the wakeupshow
>w/ Everlast, Dilated Peoples, Defari,
>and some white boy named
>Aristotle. Out of nowhere
>during the session, Aristotle started
>dissing Defari. Everybody was
>shocked cuz they aint even
>know each other, evey sway
>and tech were kinda stunned.
> The Likwit camp thought
>Aristotle was down w/ Em,
>which he wasnt, so they
>flew out to Detroit deep
>as hell to confront Em
>on it. Em from
>what i hear pussied out
>and basically said it was
>a misunderstanding. He isnt
>down w/ Aristotle anyway, but
>the Liks probably took his
>heart.
>
>I talked to Defari about this
>incident personally last year when
>he was on that tour
>w/ Xzibit and Phife Dog.
> I know the deal
>about that situation.
>
>Em's a b*tch. He didnt
>mention Phil Da Agony, Defari,
>Iriscience, or Planet Asia, and goes
>straight for the "white" looking
>emcees. If that aint
>a b*tch move, i dont
>know what is. I
>heard a few black cats
>dissed Eminem, namely Ras Kass.
> Somebody else (i forget
>who) called him out for
>talkin' sh*t about Lauryn Hill.
>
>
>I wonder what Xzibit thinks of
>all this sh*t.

For not trying to fight 10 people on one over a beef he had nothing to do with? Look dog, maybe YOU'RE on some Navy Seal shit and can fight off a mob singlehandedly, but most peeps would do the same damn thing Em did.

He dissed Dilated as a group and singled out Ev as well. Rakkaa and Babu still got dissed about their nonexistent albums. The other likwit peeps had nothing to do with the beef, so why would Em dis them randomly?

Maybe if you backup your logic better I could see the validity to your claim, but as for now, it holds no weight.



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yo, if that reply is for me, i said em was a bitch because he only calls out white emcees and pop icons. As much wack sh*t as there is out there, and he wants to go after the littlest fish he can catch.

There were 7 different individuals responsible for "Ear Drums Pop" remix, and who does he choose to attack? Everlast and Evidence, the two white emcees, and also in my opinion, the two who pose the least threat to Em. He didn't call out Planet Asia, he didn't call out Defari, he ain't call out Rakaa or Phil Da Ag, or Babu. So why does he diss Evidence? Because he chose the b*tch route. Ras Kass dissed him. Would he ever respond? Not unless he wants the worst lyrical beatdown in hip hop history.


peace.

So he would only dis Dilated Peoples other than Everlast, logically.

And, at the point he disses Dilated AS A GROUP, everyone's covered, including Iriscience. I mean, if I dis Wu-Tang as a group, but only single out Method, would not all of Wu-Tang feel they got dissed? The song was 7 min long already. I mean, a 10 min dis song while he tore into each member of Dilated, after ripping Everlast, might try everyone's patience.

So Iriscience is in effect dissed. Rewind, play it again, whatever you have to do until it clicks.

Then keep these three things in mind:

1. Em might not have heard of the Ras Kass dis yet. Few people have, actually.

2. No one responds to every dis they get. Canibus hasn't responded to half the disses he got. De La dissed some of the Native Tongues but held back on UltraMagnetic. Priority wise, you go for the ones you're most offended by or those of the highest profile.

3. How many black emcees have dissed Eminem? Cage started beef, everlast started beef, ICP tried to bring it, even Christina brought it on her self. The white emcees started beef with Em, not the other way around. If Ras Kass is the only one, than the odds are greater Em would dis white emcees because it's been mostly white emcees that started it. As a pure percentage, he's doing well on responses.

You need better evidence than that.

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point being??


it doesnt matter if it was a compilation, soundtrack, single, etc. The point of the verse is what's relevant, not who's album it was on. When dilated were on MTV, they said the same exact thing. That everlast came in, spit, and left. They didnt know he was gonna dis em, but they said they wouldnt stop or censor him either, if he said something political they didnt agree with.

I could just as easily use your logic that since it was dilated's album, he shoulda dissed planet asia, because he appeared on the song which dissed eminem. WAS THE ENTIRE PLATFORM LP A DISS TOWARDS EM? of course not, one verse, which dilated had absolutely nothing to do with.

And if Em heard about this dilated LP, which on his diss track, he claims nobody will ever hear, how could he not have heard of ras's subliminal diss?? Everlast didnt even say his name, at least ras said his name. You mean to tell me that wouldnt have gotten back to him by now?? Come on man, Em is deliberately attacking who he wants to attack. He wouldnt go after Ras anymore than he would Phil Da Ag or Defari, cuz he knows better. For all his talk, Em still knows not to go down certain paths, and that's exactly why i consider him fake to an extant.

peace.

Dilated would logically be the only other party dissed in an Em comeback. It was dilated's album. Your constant mentioning of Phil Da Agony (who's actually not that nice on the mic) and others on the song is irrevelant because they're not logical targets.

jsmooth and I dealt with this in earlier posts: when you give someone a forum on your album to dis someone else, you open yourself up to be dissed. Especially when you fail to demonstrate proactively that you aren't involved and do not wish to be. Did Dilated shout out Em on the album? drop a disclaimer? Call him up and say we have nothing to do with this? Nothing until after the dis song had already been recorded. And then for Ev to say, well Everlast would beat Em down if it got physical, combined with no olive branch? Suddenly Dilated's looking less like Switzerland. Like we said earlier, Dilated brought this on themselves and failed to do anything to distance themselves from it. Ev's last comment makes it seem like he's siding with Everlast. Even if it may be true, if you're trying to stay out of beef, you just don't say things like that. Sorry.

And again, look at my other two points. It seems you conveniently ignored them. I'm not going to call De La punks for not dissing Ultrmagnetic, even thought they were more skilled than the Native Tonguers that got dissed (imagine Kool Keith on a dis track). If you think they are, by all means, declare them feminine, but your criteria still looks weak.

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By your logic not only is Dilated responsible but so is Defari, Phil Da Agony, Joey Chavez, Planet Asia, Encore and everyone else who has ever appeared on ABB records. Because after all the Diss was on ABB records. Should ABB put out a disclaimer saying their artist had nothing to do with the diss. Stop being ridiculous. And for Em to allow a lyric like "all you underground bitches get your throat cut" according to your philosophy he is responsible if any underground cats wants to get involved be it Rass Kass, Dilated, Defari, whoever.

Look, last time I checked: The Platform was a Capitol Records release. ABB? You're trying too hard. That's beside the point though.

Anyway, I said it was Dilated's album and they provided the forum for Whitey to dis Em. You're extending with no logic whatsoever. Let me explain.

If you use jsmooth's Switzerland analogy in the earlier post on this thread, Dilated being Switzerland allowing another country to launch missiles on Swiss land, Eminem being a country that's the victim of said missiles, Switzerland is definitely fair game as far as retaliation is concerned. Now, by the same token, your contention is, that because Switzerland was dumb enough to loan land to support the military aggression, the country hit by missiles will now attack, or at least reserve the right to attack all of Europe just because it's the same land mass.

Obviously, if France and other European countries didn't loan the land to fire the missiles on, they are completely neutral and not worthy of being attacked. Such is the case with dilated vs. Em, and precisely why Planet Asia, Phil, et al., are still less worthy of retaliation than Dilated.






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Check the wax!

"Dilated Peoples
Manufactured and Distributed by ABB Records, LLC
All Rights Reserved" Printed on all 4 sides.

If you don't know what wax is look up DJ on the internet.

As far as ghost writer goes I haven't met a cage or necro yet to take my rhymes from so I'll consider that.

"My dj's on the cut my dj made the beat my dj's name is Babu don't provoke accept defeat."

-Dilated

They have those nowadays too. And, lo and behold, it's produced by Capitol Records. Again, like I said, it's beside the point, you're trying too hard ,and arguing from a dubious position.

I noticed you ignored the rest of my post. Was it over your head, or did you realize your logic was extremely flawed and decide to give up?



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And your uninformed, whiny-assed, crybaby opinion would be?

i gave up. Soon as you started comparing battling to war, I knew I was beyond the argument of emcee'n. That stupid line of thinkin is the reason Big and Pac are gone today.

You realized you were barking up the wrong tree.

Battling lyrically is war: a war of wits, as chess is often called.

Wars don't all involve violence, FYI.

That being said, your claim of extension ranks among the most egregious examples of flawed logic I've seen in a while. Congrats.


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>By your logic not only is
>Dilated responsible but so is
>Defari, Phil Da Agony, Joey
>Chavez, Planet Asia, Encore and
>everyone else who has ever
>appeared on ABB records.

No that is completely different logic, if it is indeed logic at all. Merely being on the same label is in no way comparable to you as an individual artist inviting someone to collaborate with you on a song that is coming out with your name on it. This analogy is bankrupt.

Dilated has no control or input as to what labelmates do on their recordings, so they have no responsibility for that. They do however have control over who they invite onto their own record, and they have the power to approve or disapprove of the message these guests deliver. Whatever you allow to be heard on your own record you should be ready to take responsibility for it.

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>Dilated would logically be the only
>other party dissed in an
>Em comeback. It was dilated's
>album. Your constant mentioning of
>Phil Da Agony (who's actually
>not that nice on the
>mic) and others on the
>song is irrevelant because they're
>not logical targets.
>
>jsmooth and I dealt with this
>in earlier posts: when you
>give someone a forum on
>your album to dis someone
>else, you open yourself up
>to be dissed. Especially when
>you fail to demonstrate proactively
>that you aren't involved and
>do not wish to be.
>Did Dilated shout out Em
>on the album? drop a
>disclaimer? Call him up and
>say we have nothing to
>do with this? Nothing
>until after the dis song
>had already been recorded. And
>then for Ev to say,
>well Everlast would beat Em
>down if it got physical,
>combined with no olive branch?
>Suddenly Dilated's looking less like
>Switzerland. Like we said
>earlier, Dilated brought this on
>themselves and failed to do
>anything to distance themselves from
>it. Ev's last comment makes
>it seem like he's siding
>with Everlast. Even if it
>may be true, if you're
>trying to stay out of
>beef, you just don't say
>things like that. Sorry.
>
>And again, look at my other
>two points. It seems you
>conveniently ignored them. I'm not
>going to call De La
>punks for not dissing Ultrmagnetic,
>even thought they were more
>skilled than the Native Tonguers
>that got dissed (imagine Kool
>Keith on a dis track).
>If you think they are,
>by all means, declare them
>feminine, but your criteria still
>looks weak.
>
>AIM: nichet00
>
>"Even when I say nothing, it's
>a brilliant use of negative
>space" El-P
>
>
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i wasnt ignoring your comments. Dont flatter yourself.

While i understand the points you are trying to make, I just dont agree with the reasoning. First, i havent heard the De La disses yet, but (AND SINCE WHEN WERE ULTRAMAG OFFICIAL NATIVE TONGUE MEMBERS? I THOUGHt native tongues was De La, Bushbabees, Tribe, Jungle Bros, Mos, Leaders of the New, and Black Sheep. Ultra mag was never down as far as i remember) so what they didnt diss ultra mag. WAS KOOL KEITH ON A TRACK DISSING THEM??? no, but Phil Da Ag (who i'm sorry, but he's a very capable battle emcee. He'd take it to planet asia imo. Phil Da Ag just has a crazy ass flow and nice lyrics. He aint phenomenal, but he's nice, better than anyone else on that cut) planet asia,etc. were on the song. YOUR LOGIC FAILS AT THAT POINT. if kool keith had been on a track dissing de la, then maybe you would have a point.


2. Em's fake ass "i dont give a fukk attitude" would lead me to believe that he isnt scared or at the least hesistant of dissing anybody, not picking and choosing his battles (no pun intended). He obviously chooses who to beef w/ from pop icons, to lesser known emcees. He can diss other cats subliminaly (DMX,No Limit, etc. but gets pissed when Everlast does it?? Please....)

he aint said sh*t about sway and tech. SWAY MADE IT KNOWN ON SEVERAL OCCASSIONS THAT HE WAS PISSED THAT EM TURNED HIS BACK ON THE WAKEUPSHOW AFTER HIS SECOND LP DROPPED. they gave him much exposure, and he never returned the favor, which sway was extremely pissed at. Did em respond?? FUKK NO.

Fukk eminem. He used to be very well respected by me, but all his new music sucks. I'm sure defari and dilated will cook something up.

peace.

>i wasnt ignoring your comments.
>Dont flatter yourself.
>
>While i understand the points you
>are trying to make, I
>just dont agree with the
>reasoning. First, i havent
>heard the De La disses
>yet, but (AND SINCE WHEN
>WERE ULTRAMAG OFFICIAL NATIVE TONGUE
>MEMBERS? I THOUGHt native
>tongues was De La, Bushbabees,
>Tribe, Jungle Bros, Mos, Leaders
>of the New, and Black
>Sheep. Ultra mag was
>never down as far as
>i remember) so what they
>didnt diss ultra mag.

Reread. I said that De La dissed Native tongue members, then said they did not retaliate against Ultramag. Ultramag had more skill on the mic than Jungle Brothers, yet Pos disses JB's prominently.

>WAS KOOL KEITH ON A
>TRACK DISSING THEM???

Yes. Something like: "You're 3 ft high and sinking", among other things, on an Ultramagnetic track.

>THAT POINT. if kool
>keith had been on a
>track dissing de la, then
>maybe you would have a
>point.

He was, so I do. Keep trying.
>
>
>2. Em's fake ass "i
>dont give a fukk attitude"
>would lead me to believe
>that he isnt scared or
>at the least hesistant of
>dissing anybody, not picking and
>choosing his battles (no pun
>intended). He obviously chooses
>who to beef w/ from
>pop icons, to lesser known
>emcees. He can diss
>other cats subliminaly (DMX,No Limit,
>etc. but gets pissed when
>Everlast does it?? Please....)

Name hip-hop beef he started. As I said in the previous post, most emcees he dissed started beef with him. Refute this first.

Second, think about this. The Likwit Crew actually organizes a trip to fly to Detroit and talk shit to/threaten Eminem. Their grounds for this were that Eminem was white and happened to be in the studio at the same time as Aristotle? Now, this brings up two points: 1. This action was way less justified than was Em's dis of Dilated. 2. If Eminem's experience with Likwit Crew and extended fam is they automatically assume beef on those weak grounds, it makes more sense that he would take Dilated's allowing Everlast to dis Eminem on their OWN ALBUM to be worthy of retaliation. I mean, that looks a lot less neutral then simply being the same complexion and in the same freestyle session.

Next, they feel the need to roll mad deep to confront one short, skinny white boy? Are they too bitch to think Defari can't hold his own against Em? They need a whole crew to do whatever they were going to do? And you call Em a bitch? Let's assume that the reason they rolled so deep, despite their "we'll knock you out"(Xzibit, Tash) claims on many albums, is because they were to scared to let one of their crew go one on one with Eminem. I'm using the same criteria you did. They claim X, they did a cowardly version of it, and failed to show any evidence that they're not scared to do exactly what their claim was.

>
>he aint said sh*t about sway
>and tech. SWAY
>MADE IT KNOWN ON SEVERAL
>OCCASSIONS THAT HE WAS PISSED
>THAT EM TURNED HIS BACK
>ON THE WAKEUPSHOW AFTER HIS
>SECOND LP DROPPED.
> they gave him much
>exposure, and he never returned
>the favor, which sway was
>extremely pissed at. Did
>em respond?? FUKK NO.

Um, didn't he do "Get You Mad" for them? Wasn't Em busy with: A the Dr. Dre album. B. A tour. Didn't they get kicked off the air? Why dis someone that fell off the radar? That's kicking them while they're down and irrelevant.

Then again, whether he disses Sway back or not is irrelevant. Count up all the people that dissed Em, then compare it to who he's dissed back. Then compare this percentage to other emcees that got dissed. His percentage is higher than many others in the same position. Few MC's get around to dissing everybody back. Canibus and De La are prime examples. Pos got yanked off the stage by Treach and never dropped a anti-Naughty dis song. Are they all bitches too?

You may feel like Em personally betrayed you by going platinum, but don't let your anger make you make claims that you can't back up effectively.




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>
>>i wasnt ignoring your comments.
>>Dont flatter yourself.
>>
>>While i understand the points you
>>are trying to make, I
>>just dont agree with the
>>reasoning. First, i havent
>>heard the De La disses
>>yet, but (AND SINCE WHEN
>>WERE ULTRAMAG OFFICIAL NATIVE TONGUE
>>MEMBERS? I THOUGHt native
>>tongues was De La, Bushbabees,
>>Tribe, Jungle Bros, Mos, Leaders
>>of the New, and Black
>>Sheep. Ultra mag was
>>never down as far as
>>i remember) so what they
>>didnt diss ultra mag.
>
>Reread. I said that De La
>dissed Native tongue members, then
>said they did not retaliate
>against Ultramag. Ultramag had more
>skill on the mic than
>Jungle Brothers, yet Pos disses
>JB's prominently.
>

uh, NO. actually, that's not what you said. you wrote, "De La dissed some of the Native Tongues but held back on Ultrmagnetic." anybody unfamiliar with this track (like i already admitted to being) would take that to mean that de la were on a track dissing NT and ignoring UltraMag IN THAT PARTICULAR SONG.



>>WAS KOOL KEITH ON A
>>TRACK DISSING THEM???
>
>Yes. Something like: "You're 3 ft
>high and sinking", among other
>things, on an Ultramagnetic track.
>
>
>>THAT POINT. if kool
>>keith had been on a
>>track dissing de la, then
>>maybe you would have a
>>point.
>
>He was, so I do. Keep
>trying.
>>
>>
ok. i now agree with that point. It wasnt clarified. On to the next parts.



>>2. Em's fake ass "i
>>dont give a fukk attitude"
>>would lead me to believe
>>that he isnt scared or
>>at the least hesistant of
>>dissing anybody, not picking and
>>choosing his battles (no pun
>>intended). He obviously chooses
>>who to beef w/ from
>>pop icons, to lesser known
>>emcees. He can diss
>>other cats subliminaly (DMX,No Limit,
>>etc. but gets pissed when
>>Everlast does it?? Please....)
>
>Name hip-hop beef he started. As
>I said in the previous
>post, most emcees he dissed
>started beef with him. Refute
>this first.

Lauryn Hill, Vanilla Ice (you can laugh if you want, but ice recorded a track dissin him as a response, etc. but i'll even give you some slack on this one away cuz who hasnt dissed ice?),
questionably everlast (ev's response on dilated was supposedly in response to "i dont give a f*ck), and as i said, he does the same sh*t everlast did, i.e. diss somebody w/o saying their name. If he gets pissed when Ev does it, why do it himself? "that sh*t i spit on dilated hurt your pride?"--everlast



>Second, think about this. The Likwit
>Crew actually organizes a trip
>to fly to Detroit and
>talk shit to/threaten Eminem.

they were in Detroit. It doesnt necessarily mean they went out on an eminem hunt. Maybe they had business, shows, etc. to do.



>grounds for this were that
>Eminem was white and happened
>to be in the studio
>at the same time as
>Aristotle?

wrong again. Aristotle was mouthing off saying he was down w/ Em, BECAUSE EM BROUGHT HIM INTO THE STUDIO. This was after he dissed Defari. So the grounds were, somebody supposedly down w/ em is dissing somebody he never even meant before (defari). Like i said, I TALKED TO DEFARI PERSONALLY ABOUT ARISTOTLE. i know what the fukk i'm talking about here. and if i'm not mistaken, Aristotle is doing the ken kaniff skit on the slim shady LP. well, the credits say aristotle, but it might be another person. regardless, em severed any ties he had w/ aristotle on the wakeupshow a few weeks after.


Now, this brings
>up two points: 1. This
>action was way less justified
>than was Em's dis of
>Dilated.

how is it? you just jumped to the second point without explaining the first one.

2. If Eminem's experience
>with Likwit Crew and extended
>fam is they automatically assume
>beef on those weak grounds,

what weak grounds? if you're boy disses me, and has never even meant me, i wouldnt be justified in at least asking you "what the fukk is up w/ ya man?"

>it makes more sense that
>he would take Dilated's allowing
>Everlast to dis Eminem on
>their OWN ALBUM to be
>worthy of retaliation. I mean,
>that looks a lot less
>neutral then simply being the
>same complexion and in the
>same freestyle session.


maybe em is still sore over the situation, but i doubt that, seeing how he blatantly denied any connects to aristotle. If you say you aint got sh*t to do w/ somebody's beef, YOU SHOULDNT BE WORRIED ABOUT IT ANY LONGER. but yet you continually try to depict dilated as belonging to this beef in any shape or fashion. How is what they were doing (playing switzerland in your analogy) any different than what Em did on the wakeupshow?? Come on son, you cant have your cake and eat it too.


>
>Next, they feel the need to
>roll mad deep to confront
>one short, skinny white boy?


i just know some of the crew (and it didnt necessarily have to be the emcees. All headz in a crew dont rhyme.) and i dont know how deep they were, i wasnt in detroit with them.


>Are they too bitch to
>think Defari can't hold his
>own against Em? They need
>a whole crew to do
>whatever they were going to
>do? And you call Em
>a bitch?

this beef was about Aristotle. Em was just a connecting factor who could have contributed to the beef. And it aint about "needing" a whole crew. Have you ever had beef w/ other people who had clicks, etc.? So when you step to them w/ your peeps to get some explanation, are you being a b*tch as well? Of course not. It's called family.



Let's assume that
>the reason they rolled so
>deep, despite their "we'll knock
>you out"(Xzibit, Tash) claims on
>many albums, is because they
>were to scared to let
>one of their crew go
>one on one with Eminem.
>I'm using the same criteria
>you did. They claim X,
>they did a cowardly version
>of it, and failed to
>show any evidence that they're
>not scared to do exactly
>what their claim was.
>

i have no idea what the fukk you are talking about there. Not that you dont have a point, but that sh*t makes no sense, in the grammatical sense. Please clarify.



>>he aint said sh*t about sway
>>and tech. SWAY
>>MADE IT KNOWN ON SEVERAL
>>OCCASSIONS THAT HE WAS PISSED
>>THAT EM TURNED HIS BACK
>>ON THE WAKEUPSHOW AFTER HIS
>>SECOND LP DROPPED.
>> they gave him much
>>exposure, and he never returned
>>the favor, which sway was
>>extremely pissed at. Did
>>em respond?? FUKK NO.
>
>Um, didn't he do "Get You
>Mad" for them? Wasn't Em
>busy with: A the Dr.
>Dre album. B. A tour.
>Didn't they get kicked off
>the air? Why dis
>someone that fell off the
>radar? That's kicking them while
>they're down and irrelevant.

get mad at you was recorded in the spring of '99. the MM LP dropped in the spring of 2000. A whole year apart. Where was Dre recording???? Come on man, that's the most flimsy excuse for not showing love i've ever heard. That's exactly what sway was pissed about, the attitude that "I'm too busy or important to drop by the wakeupshow". furthermore, DRE HEARD A TAPE OF EM ON THE WAKEUPSHOW. They have done more for him the he ever could for sway and tech. You dont want me to start naming heads that were busy touring or making albums that had the courtesy to drop by and show love. I'm sure Rza is a zillion times more busy than Em was, and he DJ'ed the wakeupshow for a good 5 weeks or so while he was recording the bobby digital LP. Just one example. Your argument holds no weight.

and the wakeupshow was yanked LESS THAN 2 MONTHS AGO. On top of that, IT WASNT CANCELLED, IT WAS "CANCELLED", they lost the 92.3 broadcast. They still had MILLIONS of listeners. I live in Jerzey and i still could get every last show. When you're syndicated, losing one broadcast doesnt put too much of a hamper in your step, even if it is your mother station.



>Then again, whether he disses Sway
>back or not is irrelevant.
>Count up all the people
>that dissed Em, then compare
>it to who he's dissed
>back. Then compare this percentage
>to other emcees that got
>dissed. His percentage is higher
>than many others in the
>same position. Few MC's get
>around to dissing everybody back.
>Canibus and De La are
>prime examples.


it aint about "dissing" sway. He could just address the situation. I wouldnt want him to diss him anyway, but an explanation for the cold shoulder should be the least he could do for them. Your percentage analogy is baseless as hell. You gotta be more specific than that. Who are you talking about, etc.? If you mean to imply that emcees dont necessarily diss those that diss them back, why would em respond to everlast? And who other than Truck Turner and that cat from D-12 ever dissed canibus? and i think canibus addressed the truck turner/krs situation before.



Pos got yanked
>off the stage by Treach
>and never dropped a anti-Naughty
>dis song. Are they all
>bitches too?

why dont you tell the whole story? From Treach's understanding, THEY HAD RECORDED A DIS SONG. TREACH TOOK WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THEM AS A DISS. Anyway, this beef has been squased for ages. What's your point?



>You may feel like Em personally
>betrayed you by going platinum,
>but don't let your anger
>make you make claims that
>you can't back up effectively.
>
EM only betrayed me by betraying my wallet with the Slim Shady LP. I learned my lesson after hearing cuts off his second LP. And he IS betraying people who enjoyed his earlier brand of music. Please dont use the tired ass argument of me feeling betrayed because an artist went gold or platinum. Do you really think i give a sh*t how much an artists sells if they're music is pleasing to me? Soundscan is full of sh*t anyway, why would i ever listen to them? So as far as em is concerned, Toss him in the pile with Ice Cube, Nas, Jay-Z, Mic Geronimo, and a sh*tload of other talented emcees turned wannabe pop stars.

oh, other than the 1 or 2 points i agreed with you on, i think i more than effectively backed up my position.


>
>
>
>AIM: nichet00
>
>"Even when I say nothing, it's
>a brilliant use of negative
>space" El-P
>
>
>Raeshika: i bought slum used today
>
>Raeshika: returned it 3 hrs later.
>
>nichet00: ha ha
>nichet00: that should go in my
>sig
>nichet00: putting it in now

>>
>
>uh, NO. actually, that's not
>what you said. you
>wrote, "De La dissed some
>of the Native Tongues but
>held back on Ultrmagnetic."
>
>anybody unfamiliar with this track
>(like i already admitted to
>being) would take that to
>mean that de la were
>on a track dissing NT
>and ignoring UltraMag IN THAT
>PARTICULAR SONG.

If you say so. I never limited the statement to one specific track, but at least it's clear now. De La disses some of the NT but held back on Ultramagnetic, read literally, means nothing more to me than a. De La dissed some of the Native Tongues. b. They held back on dissing Kool Keith.


What I'm trying to understand is your criteria for calling Em a bitch, and if you would be willing to call everyone who didn't answer every dis back a bitch. Being that De La and Canibus haven't answered back all the peeps that dissed them, would you take that to mean they picked and chose their battles as well, and that they too are bitches?

Moreover, judging by other posts on this thread, yours included, it seems the Ras Kass dis may not be a dis after all. So, what else are you going to use for your "Em picks and chooses" theory?
>
>
>>>2. Em's fake ass "i
>>>dont give a fukk attitude"
>>>would lead me to believe
>>>that he isnt scared or
>>>at the least hesistant of
>>>dissing anybody, not picking and
>>>choosing his battles (no pun
>>>intended). He obviously chooses
>>>who to beef w/ from
>>>pop icons, to lesser known
>>>emcees. He can diss
>>>other cats subliminaly (DMX,No Limit,
>>>etc. but gets pissed when
>>>Everlast does it?? Please....)

A. How does he dis those artists subliminally?


B.Everlast is a lot more specific. Not only does he say "those that act shady" but talks about how he's the first to rep peckerwood status, etc.

C. Everyone chooses who to beef with. For the most part, Em disses wack pop icons, which isn't exactly a novelty in the hip-hop world, more like a tradition. Everyone else he's dissed has started it first. Lauryn's Hill supposed racist comments about white people got ridiculed. That's it. Exactly who did you expect Em to start beef with randomly? If you discount the Ras Kass dis that is now in dispute, Isn't Em batting 1.000 on retorts?


>questionably everlast (ev's response on dilated
>was supposedly in response to
>"i dont give a f*ck),
>and as i said, he
>does the same sh*t everlast
>did, i.e. diss somebody
>w/o saying their name.
>If he gets pissed when
>Ev does it, why do
>it himself? "that sh*t
>i spit on dilated hurt
>your pride?"--everlast

Eminem says "I'm everlasting". That's a dis? Subliminal disses happen all the time in hip-hop, and emcees that do them and then get dissed in the same manner still get pissed. Again, it seems you're singling out Eminem for doing something that a lot of emcees do. You must have a rather small hip-hop collection if you get mad at artists off that criteria.




>
>
>what weak grounds? if you're
>boy disses me, and has
>never even meant me, i
>wouldnt be justified in at
>least asking you "what the
>fukk is up w/ ya
>man?"

Strangely enough, hiphopsite and elevatedminds said that Aristotle knew Defari beforehand, apparently enough to record a very personal dis track.

>
>>>maybe em is still sore over
>the situation, but i doubt
>that, seeing how he blatantly
>denied any connects to aristotle.
> If you say you
>aint got sh*t to do
>w/ somebody's beef, YOU SHOULDNT
>BE WORRIED ABOUT IT ANY
>LONGER. but yet you
>continually try to depict dilated
>as belonging to this beef
>in any shape or fashion.
> How is what they
>were doing (playing switzerland in
>your analogy) any different than
>what Em did on the
>wakeupshow??
>Come on son, you cant
>have your cake and eat
>it too.

Here's how: Dilated knew for a fact that their album contained a verse that dissed Eminem BEFORE their album was released. And they were in control of said album. Eminem did not have Aristotle on his album dissing anyone, and it wasn't Eminem's radio show. Apples and oranges.

>>get mad at you was recorded
>in the spring of '99.
> the MM LP dropped
>in the spring of 2000.
> A whole year apart.
> Where was Dre
>recording???? Come on
>man, that's the most flimsy
>excuse for not showing love
>i've ever heard. That's
>exactly what sway was pissed
>about, the attitude that "I'm
>too busy or important to
>drop by the wakeupshow".
> furthermore, DRE HEARD A
>TAPE OF EM ON THE
>WAKEUPSHOW. They have
>done more for him the
>he ever could for sway
>and tech. You
>dont want me to start
>naming heads that were busy
>touring or making albums that
>had the courtesy to drop
>by and show love.
>I'm sure Rza is a
>zillion times more busy than
>Em was, and he DJ'ed
>the wakeupshow for a good
>5 weeks or so while
>he was recording the bobby
>digital LP. Just one
>example. Your argument holds
>no weight.

1. RZA? That Bobby Pitiful album was so wack it's obvious RZA didn't spend anytime on it. He jacked Portishead for a beat. Wow, that's hard. He stepped back on production for all the Wu solo shit. He wasn't THAT busy.

2. Meanwhile, after the SSLP, Em did shit for: Outsidaz, Domingo, Jazzy Jeff, Wake Up Show, established his own label and signed D-12, went on tour, did emTV, helped create 2 websites, the Dre album, and odds are, ghostwriting for the NWA album. He's also shopping the Bad Meets Evil project. Let's not forget: arraignment on gun charges, divorce proceedings, lawsuit from his moms, and recording the d-12 album. Call me crazy, but that looks pretty busy to me. At least, busier than RZA. And, maybe he might have wanted to spend some time with his daughter somewhere in there?

>
>
> Your percentage analogy
>is baseless as hell.
>You gotta be more specific
>than that. Who are
>you talking about, etc.?

What, two examples weren't enough? I mean, hey, if you think Canibus and De La are bitches too, then props for consistency. If not, why the double standard?


> If you mean to
>imply that emcees dont necessarily
>diss those that diss them
>back, why would em respond
>to everlast?

No need to imply. It's the truth. My question is are you consistent with it. Do you deride everyone who doesn't retort to every dis?

And who
>other than Truck Turner and
>that cat from D-12 ever
>dissed canibus? and i
>think canibus addressed the truck
>turner/krs situation before.

Did he retort to Fuzz Scoota?


>EM only betrayed me by betraying
>my wallet with the Slim
>Shady LP. I learned
>my lesson after hearing cuts
>off his second LP.
>And he IS betraying people
>who enjoyed his earlier brand
>of music. Please dont
>use the tired ass argument
>of me feeling betrayed because
>an artist went gold or
>platinum. Do you really
>think i give a sh*t
>how much an artists sells
>if they're music is pleasing
>to me? Soundscan
>is full of sh*t anyway,
>why would i ever listen
>to them? So
>as far as em is
>concerned, Toss him in the
>pile with Ice Cube, Nas,
>Jay-Z, Mic Geronimo, and a
>sh*tload of other talented emcees
>turned wannabe pop stars.

I said that because, Eminem has changed very little compared to the other emcees you named. Think about this:

1. His subject matters the same as on the EP. Still raping, still killing his baby moms, still rapping about drugs, still talking shit. He didn't go the bling bling route, etc. If it's about redundancy, Redman has him beat in that category.

2. He hasn't gone the traditional sellout route as far as making pop hits, i.e. no beat jacks, no R&B choruses on his lead singles. In that respect, Common's more of an offender than Em will ever be.

3. It's not like he turned his back on the underground with that discography I mentioned above. I left out the rawkus joint, too.

4. The Bass Brothers were producing him before he got signed. They're still on board.

5. The multi-syllable rhyme scheme is still there.

6. If it's about being a tight emcee with a mediocre album, you must HATE Ras Kass and Canibus.

Honestly, I'm wondering what is it about his new shit that differs. My boys and I liked Em from the sway and tech days and give him credit for the fact he hasn't sold out still. None of us felt "betrayed". So, if you could list your reasons for throwing Em in that pop MTV category, I'd be interested to see it. Yes, he appears on MTV a significant amount, but that doesn't exactly get Method's ghetto pass revoked, does it?

>>>



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"Even when I say nothing, it's a brilliant use of negative space" El-P


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Ras Kass dissed Eminem?? When? Is it on napster? Let's all email Em about it and maybe he would be dumb enough to challenge Ras...now that would be a battle!

'Racially, I'm the antonym of Eminem' is hardly a diss

'Not merely a concrete test of the underlying principles of the great republic is the Negro Problem, and the spiritual striving of the freedmen's sons is the travail of souls whose burden is almost beyond the measure of their strength, but the name of this land of their fathers' fathers, and in the name of human opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois

>peace
>
>likwit crew is:
>
>Liks (E-Swift, Tash, J-Ro)
>King Tee
>Xzibit
>Defari
>Lootpack (Madlib/Quasimoto, DJ Rome, Wildchild)
>Barbershop MC's (Phil Da Agony, Chuck
>Hustle, Chocolate Tye, some other
>cats too, i forget their
>names)
>
>
>affiliates of the likwit camp:
>Dilated Peoples
>Declaime
>

Look at the above lineup. D12 and Eminem have no chance, even if Xzibit doesn't get involved.

wait, wait, where did ras kass dis eminem? where did that happen? and I dunno about that Likwit Crew story. Defari is capable of handling himself and I hear he did a dis track on Aristotle. The Likwit Crew doesn't go around beating people up, if that's what you're implying. They're real cool brothers. Were you implying that they threatened to beat Em up? Those dudes are emcees, they would battle on the mic, not beat eminem down for something *aristotle* said. i gotta wonder about that story.

anyone here hear defari's cut dissing aristotle?

also, em did a song with xzibit recently and they both roll with dre. i don't think dre would let his peoples beef after he personally was in the midst of the NWA breakup (which didn't have to happen if Eazy woulda paid everyone right, but that's another thread). dre seems like a peaceful cat who avoids beef recently. he used to start shit in the past, but he hasn't beefed with anyone since "chronic" in 92 (and only people who dissed him first).

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

peace

the cut defari did dissing aristotle was a collabo he did with Quamallah, a west coast underground head cool with the liks, etc. It's called "bass murder". I never heard the full song, just the snippet hiphopsite had about 2 years ago. I asked Defari personally about it, and we was buildin' on it for a good 10 minutes.

And there was beef between the Liks and Em, but like i said, it was a misunderstanding. Either they themselves, or their peoples were in Detroit and confronted Em about it. Eminem spoke about on the wakeupshow before to clear things up and squash any unecessary beef. But the way he spoke about it, he made it clear, he wanted no beef with the liks. Em himself dissed Aristotle on the wakeupshow for getting him involved, but regardless, THE LIKS DID SEE EM ABOUT IT, AND HE CLEARLY WANTED NO PART OF THEM.

As far as ras kass, you can hear his verse on Napster if you have it. It's labeled under wakeupshow freestyle i think. As you may have guessed, ras aint too fond of white folks to begin with. He spit some sh*t like "I'm the antonym of Eminem/ Hi! my name is/ blow him out like Kurt Cobain's brain is"

peace.

I
>heard a few black cats
>dissed Eminem, namely Ras Kass.
> Somebody else (i forget
>who) called him out for
>talkin' sh*t about Lauryn Hill.

What did Kass say about him? That would be a freestyle battle 4 the ages right there


I'll battle you in the flesh, I'll battle you on the net, I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect -Canibus

I'm still official, (why) cuz I'm on a roll like toilet tissue -Ras Kass

Some think I'm clever, others think I'm the one who makes too many references 2 weather...or not. -Evidence of Dialated Peoples

They never know we enemies until they hear me say it, till their kids on the phone sayin please Daddy pay it, till their brains on the floor, mixed on the pavement. -Nas

Blow you off the atlas, as if, I caught you fuckin my wife, on my thousand dollar mattress. -Havoc of Mobb Deep

I stand out like a nigga on a hockey team...I'm Nestle when its crunch time...Weight on my shoulder, flucuates like Oprah, my refridgerator poetry's magnetic like Ultra, you could'nt hang if you was a poster. -Common

>BTW thanx for tellin me what
>Evidence's nationality was. I have
>met him a few times,
>and always wondered what he
>was.
>


no problem, i remember the first time i met Ev, the first thing i asked him what his background was, cuz i know people be disputing whether he is white or not. he doesn't consider himself a 'white emcee', and i don't really either. but anyways, it dont matter.
the likwit crew will stomp all over eminem and his wack boys.

Just my personal opinion, but I think Dilated Peoples is much better than Eminem. Babu is an excellent DJ, I like Dilated rhymes more, and I'd rather listen to Dilated talk about Graf cats than to hear Eminem calling people faggots any day.

-drFunkenstein

"De La Soul is here to stay like racism." -Pos

Ok...
First off, I've read forever, and seen, that Everlast is one of the best freestylers in the business, hands down...And then, everyone is overlooking the HOP reunion soon (which Lethal will probably be apart of but Muggs will have his hand in), as well as the new XSupermodels release, in which I am sure Danny will end coming out against Em. And to have Danny Boy O'Connor, and Everlast on your ass, I think you're gonna have a bad day....

GO download Get Em Up, by XSupermodels, off napster...Danny is the guy that doesn't have the deep voice.

Everlast's diss to Em was one of the most clever battle raps I've heard in a long time. See, Em rhymes like a child...I'm still waiting on "I'm rubber your glue.." lines to come out of his mouth...Ev's made sense, hit a variety of topics, and dissed him plain. Em was able to talk about his heart problem, and a few white muslim irish comments, and age comments...nevermind Ev is 30 and Em is 26. I'm sure every highschool dropout with died blonde hair pumping gas is happy for Em's diss...

But at the base, they remember who came out first, who gave them hope for white kids in rap....House of Pain.

Secondly, I'd hate to see this go bicoastal. "Eminem has Dre", somebody told me today. Haha....

ok, can you say Soul Assassin Family? Can you say West Coast and East Coast love for Everlast? Haha! Can you say Cypress Hill? This is humorous...does no one remember B-Real going to Cube's house and knockin his ass out? What's Dre gonna do...hit him with a toy gun?

Em needs to watch himself with Suge and the boys...coz if Everlast sees him, he's gonna beat his ass...up front, there you go...Suge will have his ass just shot. How many times have they warned Dre and Em about using Pac reference?

Ok, now, for Dilated....Ok, so, is Eminem going to memorize his lyrics before he goes in to battle with Evidence? Shiiit...How quickly we forget all of the artists who have called out Eminem for writing his shit before a freestyle session?

Remember this quote..."I say make the right music, then your money's earned."

Evidence.

In the end, no matter what...you have a bunch of fat guys and one skinny white asshole who are trying to rap under a real
has-been, Dre...and you have real rhymers, like the Dilated crew, and someone with more props and experience and friends than most cats in the business, Everlast.

It's gonna be a long one...SMILE!

CH
WhiteThugz.com


"Straight out the gate with a chestplate..."
-XSupermodels

"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you busy raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

Everlast is one of the best freestylers in the business, hands down...

Um, are you serious. He's what we called washed up. And I dont think a House of Shame comeback w/ Fanny Boy has Em shakin in his boots.

I'll battle you in the flesh, I'll battle you on the net, I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect -Canibus

I'm still official, (why) cuz I'm on a roll like toilet tissue -Ras Kass

Some think I'm clever, others think I'm the one who makes too many references 2 weather...or not. -Evidence of Dialated Peoples

They never know we enemies until they hear me say it, till their kids on the phone sayin please Daddy pay it, till their brains on the floor, mixed on the pavement. -Nas

Blow you off the atlas, as if, I caught you fuckin my wife, on my thousand dollar mattress. -Havoc of Mobb Deep

I stand out like a nigga on a hockey team...I'm Nestle when its crunch time...Weight on my shoulder, flucuates like Oprah, my refridgerator poetry's magnetic like Ultra, you could'nt hang if you was a poster. -Common

I don't think much of anything has Em shaking in his boots except Everlast showing up at his door :)

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

>I don't think much of anything
>has Em shaking in his
>boots except Everlast showing up
>at his door :)

Aiiight good point. Phyiscal fight E-last wins, verballly Em eats him up.

I'm still official, (why) cuz I'm on a roll like toilet tissue -Ras Kass

Some think I'm clever, others think I'm the one who makes too many references 2 weather...or not. -Evidence of Dialated Peoples

They never know we enemies until they hear me say it, till their kids on the phone sayin please Daddy pay it, till their brains on the floor, mixed on the pavement. -Nas

Blow you off the atlas, as if, I caught you fuckin my wife, on my thousand dollar mattress. -Havoc of Mobb Deep

I stand out like a nigga on a hockey team...I'm Nestle when its crunch time...Weight on my shoulder, flucuates like Oprah, my refridgerator poetry's magnetic like Ultra, you could'nt hang if you was a poster. -Common

If this is going to be a battle:

1. I would love to see Planet Asia get in it...just to see him in a battle.

2. I want El-P to diss Em too...randomly, b/c after Linda Tripp I'm always interested in a El-P diss.

As much as I love Dilated, I think Em would probably take them...it kinda depends on which crews get involved.

DMC

"I think LL Cool J and Canibus are both fantastic!" - MC Paul Barman

"They need to make it legal, before I start barking like a beagle" - Black Attack(For Trooper)

"The greatest feeling I ever had in my life--with my clothes on--was when I first heard Diz and Bird together in St. Louis." - Miles Davis

Dilated has no chance. None.

Honestly, I think everyone will stay neutral because the degrees of separation are so minimal on both sides.

Em being down with Rah Digga, Xzibit, Cypress Hill, and Dre pretty much freezes everybody, I think. Digga did some things with the okayp tour so she's in a tight spot. Dre is X's mealticket, honestly so I think he'll stay neutral, etc.

My prediction is it will end up like the LL/Canibus battle where only parties directly involved got dissed. (except for Lost Boys, but do they even count?)



AIM: nichet00

"Even when I say nothing, it's a brilliant use of negative space" El-P


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i shoulda mentioned this before but.............

EMINEM IS NO LONGER DOWN WITH THE OUTSIDAZ.

that's coming directly from the outsidaz themselves. I have personal connects w/ the Outz, and Em is no longer a member. they probably don't give a f*ck about him now.

just one more reason why Em has lost a sh*tload of credibility from real hip hop heads.

He used to be one of my favs when his EP dropped, but since then, he only dropped like 3 good joints. The soundbombing track, the high and mighty track, and maybe a few others. Both of his albums sucked, the first one was just kinda subpar, not too bad but definately not of really good quality. Em's just falling off faster and faster.

How much misinformaiton are you going to spread?

Em down with Cypress? Ok, do you know nothing about the Everlast-Cypress relationship? Hell they do songs together on every CD they have, have concerts together...hell, they're working with Rage AGainst the Machine right now together.

Sorry, but, man, that's annoying...

READ

Ch



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

Cypress dissed House of Pain on Temples of Boom. You can clearly hear Sen-Dog saying "House of Pain aint down with us."

Monty,

You are right, true...back in 1995. That was when Lethal said he wanted to do the next album without Muggs, and then Sen let them go. There was a small feud because when they left, they took some of the Soul Assassins family with them...

In 1996, Truth Crushed to Earth Shall Rise Again came out, bombed, and Everlast broke up the band because Lethal was busy with Bizkit and Danny was on drugs.

Now, in 1999, you can here Sen call Everlast on the Whitey Ford Sings the Blues CD and say what's up....In 2000, you can hear B-Real do a song with Everlast on the new Eat at Whitey's, a song which some say is a flat diss to Em, on B-Real's part.

Then, Muggs Presents Part II Soul Assasins, Everlast does a Muggs track "Razor to your Throat" which follows The Cypress Track.

Everlast and B-Real are collaborating on the new Rage Against the Machine bit, and are doing shows together, with SX10, Sen Dog's band.

Now, there's talk of the HOP reunion and Cypress having influence on it with Muggs, and a possible tour together...

So, their back down...

In the words of B-Real, from Eat At Whitey's:

You're talking to two who go back like chuck's, with the hand on the pump next to the big black trucks..." and even, "You ungrateful, most hateful, bleach nigga's..."

:)

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

Cypress Hill and Eminem are both managed by Goliath Artists. Do your research before you talk.

Eminem is all over the Rap Superstar video.

AIM: nichet00

"Even when I say nothing, it's a brilliant use of negative space" El-P


Raeshika: i bought slum used today
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Just heard an article came out saying basically this, and as soon as i have the source, I'll post it

B-Real basically said he's friends with Em, but he and Everlast are Soul Assassin brothers and go way back (remember, Cypress brought HOP and Whooliganz out), and he has Ev's back 100%....

And as for Rap Superstar video, fine...they were on tour together, makes sense. But Everlast gives a testimonial in Rock Superstar and Rap Superstar...

AND, Everlast is on the new SX10 CD rapping with Sen Dog and Mellow Man Ace...

Also, another tid-bit. Alchemist was in Whooliganz, and is now all over Soul Assassins and Dilated People's stuff. Whooliganz was brought out by Cypress Hill and they were touring with Cypress, in the words of B-Real, "since ALchemist was like 13." Now, who do you think Cypress and Soul Assassins are gonna back when they have Everlast as a SA, Dilated as SA's, and Alchemist as SA's?

DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TALK...

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

Here you go, if you wanna doubt Breal and Everlast's relationship...

Do your research before you talk.

http://pub19.ezboard.com/fcypresshillconnectionaskcypresshillquestions.showMessage?topicID=235.topic


Cut and paste it...






"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

The reason why I said do your research was because your post said that Em wasn't even down with Cypress. That's all and that's it. Shit, I know about all of the connections that Everlast and Eminem has in the industry and who brought who out and who really likes who and who really hates who, but none of that shit matters. The beef is between Eminem & D-12 and Everlast & Dilated. And just like what happened when Em had beef with Cage and High & Mighty stayed neutral because they shared management, Cypress will most likely end up doing the same thing and letting the beef settle itself (And yes I did read what B-real said on his web-site). It's just extremely annoying when people are talking about what happens when he jumps in or what happens when they jump in. Fuck other people jumping in, there's already enough people involved in it already. Let them handle this shit themselves and hopefully this beef won't escalate into something that everybody looks back upon as another tragedy in hip-hop.

Ok, gotta clarify next time my friend!!! :)

I agree with you...only, the thing is, this WAS between Em and EV, then Em brought D12 in on it (to me in an obvious attempt to market them...why else?). I mean, yea, they're a group, but it was never D12, it was Eminem, and now it's Eminem and D12, soon it will just be D12. Then he started on Dilated, and brought D12 in on it. He conjures up Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit and Durst.

To me, I wonder who else will be dragged in? :) Like Breal said, just sit back and enjoy it while it lasts...I think this will be the most interesting we've all seen in a while.

Take it ease, sorry if I came off rough!

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

B-real's on the dilated lp. Why would he try and jump in on em's side against dilated AND everlast. It makes no sense

TTT!!!!

To the Top..

He's letting this sit out on the sidelines unless someone jumps in, uninvited, on Everlast...

CH



"What's yours is yours and I take what's mine/It's about organized fuckin' crime"
-Lordz of Brooklyn

"While you raggin' on all the people you blasted, I'm askin' how many days have you fasted?"
-Everlast

from Davey D's newsletter
http://www.daveyd.com

While Eminem is dealing with his legal woes, he may now start feeling heat from Dilated Peoples. Apparently Em and his group D-12 recorded a dis song against the group because Everlast was featured on their record 'Ears Drums Pop' remix. It was on that cut where Everlast launched some barbs against Em who then retaliated with the song 'I Remember'. Hence Em and his group D-12 went into the studios and recorded a song called 'Quitter'. According to the folks at HipHopsite.com, the song was done using a beat similar to the one used in 'I Remember' then it switched up to the beat used in 2Pac's 'Hit Em Up'. HipHopsite also reports that they had heard the song a while back but the group decided to scarp it and everyone was sworn to secrecy, put it somehow made its way onto Napster and so now the world knows.. The irony to this whole saga is that both Em's camp and Dilated's camp have folks who are close to each other.. There's no telling as to whether or not they'll go behind close doors and squash the beef.. or allow themselves to verbally battle.. Em vs Dilated.. Now that sounds like a battle.. I know one thing I've never seen Dilated back down from an emcee battle and I've seen those cats rip folks who tried to step to them.. I'm putting my bid in for the pay per view rights.. This could be better then the Presidential elections..

by Davey D
******************************************************

Dove
~Sheepish Lordess of Chaos~

Native 2
http://www.nativemagazine.com

Number 100 baby!!! hahaha!

Unfortunatly I'm one of those cats that only has access 2 a computer @ work and AT&T Wireless aint down w/ lettin their employees use Napster since we should be dealing w/ cell phones but anyway if theres anyone out there that can post the lyrics of Ras Kass dis 2 Eminem I would certainly appreciate it.

I'll battle you in the flesh, I'll battle you on the net, I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect -Canibus

I'm still official, (why) cuz I'm on a roll like toilet tissue -Ras Kass

Some think I'm clever, others think I'm the one who makes too many references 2 weather...or not. -Evidence of Dialated Peoples

They never know we enemies until they hear me say it, till their kids on the phone sayin please Daddy pay it, till their brains on the floor, mixed on the pavement. -Nas

Blow you off the atlas, as if, I caught you fuckin my wife, on my thousand dollar mattress. -Havoc of Mobb Deep

I stand out like a nigga on a hockey team...I'm Nestle when its crunch time...Weight on my shoulder, flucuates like Oprah, my refridgerator poetry's magnetic like Ultra, you could'nt hang if you was a poster. -Common

'Racially, I'm the antonym of Eminem' <--- the supposed diss.. wow.

'Not merely a concrete test of the underlying principles of the great republic is the Negro Problem, and the spiritual striving of the freedmen's sons is the travail of souls whose burden is almost beyond the measure of their strength, but the name of this land of their fathers' fathers, and in the name of human opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois

>'Racially, I'm the antonym of Eminem'
><--- the supposed diss.. wow.
>
>
>'Not merely a concrete test of
>the underlying principles of the
>great republic is the Negro
>Problem, and the spiritual striving
>of the freedmen's sons is
>the travail of souls whose
>burden is almost beyond the
>measure of their strength, but
>the name of this land
>of their fathers' fathers, and
>in the name of human
>opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois


i have to listen to it again, but unless i'm mistaken, he:

1. didnt finish his verse (i think he fumbled over it or some sh*t)

2. said something about his name being blown out like kurt cobain's brain. he was either talkin' about himself or em, but i think that's when he cut his verse off.

3 from what i remember from the first time i heard it, it sounded like he was tryin' to play him out.

whatever. let me go listen and then come back.

peace.

>>'Racially, I'm the antonym of Eminem'
>><--- the supposed diss.. wow.
>>
>>
>>'Not merely a concrete test of
>>the underlying principles of the
>>great republic is the Negro
>>Problem, and the spiritual striving
>>of the freedmen's sons is
>>the travail of souls whose
>>burden is almost beyond the
>>measure of their strength, but
>>the name of this land
>>of their fathers' fathers, and
>>in the name of human
>>opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois
>
>




ayite, i agree, i may have jumped the gun on that one, since it's inconclusive. i just relistened to it.
>i have to listen to it
>again, but unless i'm mistaken,
>he:
>
>1. didnt finish his verse
>(i think he fumbled over
>it or some sh*t)
>
>2. said something about his
>name being blown out like
>kurt cobain's brain.
>he was either talkin' about
>himself or em, but i
>think that's when he cut
>his verse off.
>
>3 from what i
>remember from the first time
>i heard it, it sounded
>like he was tryin' to
>play him out.
>
>whatever. let me go listen
>and then come back.
>
>peace.

I guess you're talking about what he spit on the Wake Up Show.. he spit that whole verse on a mixtape. All he says is 'Racially, I'm the antonym of Eminem/ My name is, blown out.. similar to the way Kurt Cobain's brain is' It might've been a jab towards white music artists, but not Eminem specifically.

It's all good tho..

'Not merely a concrete test of the underlying principles of the great republic is the Negro Problem, and the spiritual striving of the freedmen's sons is the travail of souls whose burden is almost beyond the measure of their strength, but the name of this land of their fathers' fathers, and in the name of human opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois

>I guess you're talking about what
>he spit on the Wake
>Up Show.. he spit that
>whole verse on a mixtape.
> All he says is
>'Racially, I'm the antonym of
>Eminem/ My name is, blown
>out.. similar to the way
>Kurt Cobain's brain is'
>It might've been a jab
>towards white music artists, but
>not Eminem specifically.

Man, come on. Everlast said "I buck a 380 at those who act shady" and Em is all over him. You don't think the above could be read as an Eminem dis? I just listened to the audio. That part is written, then Ras stumbles, admits he forgot the rest of the verse, starts freestyling and returns to the written later at a different point. No idea what else he might have written about Em, because he messed up right whne he was getting into it.

Still, I doubt Em wants any part of Ras Kass on the mic. I think very few people do. Some dude in New York tried to dis Ras for "Sunset", but I don't think the record got much play (I never actually heard it), so I guess Ras didn't think it was worth a recorded response (I'm sure he'd be happy to see dude live on stage tho).

Em versus Ras? Ras Kass by a landslide. Of course Ras would use writtens, but his writtens are lethal.

Spread love,

Spirit

"You broke my head
and you fractured my spine
you told me
you’d be forever mine
you broke my law
and there is a fine
and it’s a very vengeful kind
And I’m stalking
for my love
And I’m watching
from the buildings above
Well, I put the rope on too tight
With you in a cage,
it’s such a beautiful sight,
Don’t worry about my monkey,
He looks,
he won’t bite
My vengeful love..."

- Some dude on MTV2

Search for 'Green Lantern' on Napster.. you'll find the whole verse in which he talks about Em

And hell yeah.. Ras would fuck up ANYBODY on wax.. I'm not sure about off the head tho. I forgot doods name, but a white emcee took exception to his infamous 'fuck white people in general, and fuck the police specifically' line.. he replied with somethin like 'fuck wack emcees in general, and fuck Ras Kass specifially'

Anyways.. he's lucky Mr. Kass didn't respond

'Not merely a concrete test of the underlying principles of the great republic is the Negro Problem, and the spiritual striving of the freedmen's sons is the travail of souls whose burden is almost beyond the measure of their strength, but the name of this land of their fathers' fathers, and in the name of human opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois

>>I guess you're talking about what
>>he spit on the Wake
>>Up Show.. he spit that
>>whole verse on a mixtape.
>> All he says is
>>'Racially, I'm the antonym of
>>Eminem/ My name is, blown
>>out.. similar to the way
>>Kurt Cobain's brain is'
>>It might've been a jab
>>towards white music artists, but
>>not Eminem specifically.
>
>Man, come on. Everlast said "I
>buck a 380 at those
>who act shady" and Em
>is all over him. You
>don't think the above could
>be read as an Eminem
>dis? I just listened to
>the audio. That part is
>written, then Ras stumbles, admits
>he forgot the rest of
>the verse, starts freestyling and
>returns to the written later
>at a different point. No
>idea what else he might
>have written about Em, because
>he messed up right whne
>he was getting into it.
>
>
>Still, I doubt Em wants any
>part of Ras Kass on
>the mic. I think very
>few people do. Some dude
>in New York tried to
>dis Ras for "Sunset", but
>I don't think the record
>got much play (I never
>actually heard it), so I
>guess Ras didn't think it
>was worth a recorded response
>(I'm sure he'd be happy
>to see dude live on
>stage tho).
>
>Em versus Ras? Ras Kass by
>a landslide. Of course Ras
>would use writtens, but his
>writtens are lethal.
>
>Spread love,
>
>Spirit
>
>"You broke my head
>and you fractured my spine
>you told me
>you’d be forever mine
>you broke my law
>and there is a fine
>and it’s a very vengeful kind
>
>And I’m stalking
>for my love
>And I’m watching
>from the buildings above
>Well, I put the rope on
>too tight
>With you in a cage,
>it’s such a beautiful sight,
>Don’t worry about my monkey,
>He looks,
>he won’t bite
>My vengeful love..."
>
>- Some dude on MTV2






yo, i agree completely. When i heard that Dilated Track, i had no fukkin' clue Ev was dissin' him until months after when Em dropped a response. Em is subliminal all the time with his disses, like i been arguing with this other guy on here about, but then he gets mad when somebody else does it? Em started this sh*t anyway to be truthful. After hearing the whole version of quitter, i must say that that song sucks horribly. It had some potential, but once the beat switches up, ITS ALL DOWNHILL. It so fukky corny. He calls Ev among other things "honky, white devil, cracker,etc." WTF??? Em is just stupid there. And he sounds so f*cking corny with that "kill whitey" sh*t. All he really talks about is his heart. I mean, sh*t, 7 minutes of talkin' sh*t about a heart condition???? Em shoulda stopped with his first dis record, cuz that wasnt that bad, but quitter is atrocious.


btw

The guy who dissed Ras Kass was in the Jigmastas. He said something like "Hip hop started out in the park/ and Ras Kass was no part of that" or somethin' like that. Jigmastas are cool, but w/o DJ Spinna, they aint sh*t. I heard Necro stepped to Ras before, but that's probably rumor. I know Ras had minor beef w/ the Hemisfear. Peace.

the fact that Everlast mentioned Eminem's daughter on the DP track. Regardless of how subliminal it was, bringing somebody's family up on wax is a no-no.. unless of course you're asking for a reaction of some sort...

'Not merely a concrete test of the underlying principles of the great republic is the Negro Problem, and the spiritual striving of the freedmen's sons is the travail of souls whose burden is almost beyond the measure of their strength, but the name of this land of their fathers' fathers, and in the name of human opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois

>the fact that Everlast mentioned Eminem's
>daughter on the DP track.
> Regardless of how subliminal
>it was, bringing somebody's family
>up on wax is a
>no-no.. unless of course you're
>asking for a reaction of
>some sort...
>
>'Not merely a concrete test of
>the underlying principles of the
>great republic is the Negro
>Problem, and the spiritual striving
>of the freedmen's sons is
>the travail of souls whose
>burden is almost beyond the
>measure of their strength, but
>the name of this land
>of their fathers' fathers, and
>in the name of human
>opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois


yo, Everlast aint mention Em's daughter on that dilated track. He aint say sh*t about his daughter until "whitey's revenge".

On Ear Drums Pop remix, he said "spit a comet like Haley", as in Haley's comet, not Eminem's daughter. Em just got his pride hurt at being called out, that's all.

peace.

'Cock my hammer, spit a Comet like Haley
I'll buck a three-eighty on ones that act shady'

Both lines had double meanings.. that shit wasn't a coincidence, potnah

'Not merely a concrete test of the underlying principles of the great republic is the Negro Problem, and the spiritual striving of the freedmen's sons is the travail of souls whose burden is almost beyond the measure of their strength, but the name of this land of their fathers' fathers, and in the name of human opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois

>'Cock my hammer, spit a Comet
>like Haley
>I'll buck a three-eighty on ones
>that act shady'
>
>Both lines had double meanings.. that
>shit wasn't a coincidence, potnah
>
>
>'Not merely a concrete test of
>the underlying principles of the
>great republic is the Negro
>Problem, and the spiritual striving
>of the freedmen's sons is
>the travail of souls whose
>burden is almost beyond the
>measure of their strength, but
>the name of this land
>of their fathers' fathers, and
>in the name of human
>opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois


yo, i agree w/ the "ones that act shady" line, but how in the hell is the haley's comet line talking about Em's daughter?? No connection whatsoever, purely coincedence.

Him just happening to mention Eminem's daughters name and then dissing him immediately after. The line doesn't completely make sense, but Everlast isn't much of a poet neither

dah well.. whatevas clever

'Not merely a concrete test of the underlying principles of the great republic is the Negro Problem, and the spiritual striving of the freedmen's sons is the travail of souls whose burden is almost beyond the measure of their strength, but the name of this land of their fathers' fathers, and in the name of human opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois

Okay, I love to see emcee battles as much as anyone else, but I think a lot of cats up here have to chill, cuz you acting like its some important piece of history, and its really just a couple of lyrics. You really don't have to bring up war strategies. It's all just fun, that's it. Calm down.
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In instances such as this, some words from the once much-loved Coolio come to mind...:

"If you got beef then: eat a pork-chop".

Em is arrogant.
Reminds me of a child who's had a deprived childhood and is now taking revenge on the rest of the world for fucking him over.

-araQual

"Addicted to her presence like a narcotic/Though I wonder if she ever got it - the hypnotic/That faded like a dream sequence that pursuaded/Beyond being infatuated - spiritually intoxicated/Comps are dated - I concentrated/On how to get in touch with her/Cause the fact of the matter remains that I miss the hypnotic",
-The Roots: 'The Hypnotic'.

On rotation:
Blue Note - A Story Of Modern Jazz
Erykah Badu - Mama's Gun
Jazz Masters 13 - Antonio Carlos Jobim
N'Dea Davenport - Self-Titled

YOU PEOPLE HAVE LOST IT!!!

Seriously, get on with your lives...I have a feeling you care more than the actual people involved...and that's a bit disturbing to us normal folks.

A big bunch of FANS.