Hey, this might get flamed but I really dont' care and plus i was just curious to get some okayopinions, nahmean?? My man GFK is 1,000 levels past dope, and so is BT, that's a given. I know the "you can't compare them yada yada yada" but just to say, who's iller?? And don't jump to conclusions just cause this is a roots-orientated site. Really think about it. And if the only Ghostface verses you've heard are the radio cuts off the W, and you don't actually own Ironman and Supreme Clientele, then don't bother with a response. HOlla!!!

Kyle

Black Thought is the NIGGA, nooooo question. BT is much clearer and easier to understand as an MC, but Ghost spits iller verses (if that makes sense). Ghost will make you buy the Wu lexicon and years later you'll be like "OH SHIT, THAT'S WHAT THE FUCK THAT MEANT!"

Both dem niggas is illmatic!

in reference to the AZ track? "Ratha Unique" if it is, great choice man, that LP is fuckin great

PEACE

"the captain crunch dogg"

You're really going to get yourself into trouble with this one...

lyricist (BT) is a highly underrated mc, the other aint. but i feel they are BOTH equally dope. but when u listen to all of ghost's shit u'll see that his lyrics are more ABSTRACT than BT's. ghost say shit that is without boundaries while BT seems to have boundaries however illmatic as hell too, u know? ghost dont mind sayin fly shit that dont make sense (and i respect that) BT say shit that makes sense, but some shit that cant nobody compete with, cuz it be SO damn ill :-)

~1~
OHIOplayer

picasso vs divinci

they are both good in their own right.
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"girl u bout as classic as stan smith adidas" - kiera

"what's wrong w/big magic wand?" - janet j on "wands"

BT is nice, but Ghost man he'll have you tripping! Check "one" from Supreme Clientale

definitely black thought. if you said genius, it might be another story...

Word.. Only a few MCs stand a chance against The Genius (Black Thought is one of em)

yeah, the genius would have made this a real battle......

i've always wondered what would happen if tariq, the gza, and rakim made a little ep.........that'd be something to see.....they all have that no b.s. mc vibe going......

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"i write to let my soul fly higher, while ya'll defeatin' the purpose like black highlighters"-wonluv

Yes, Thought is colder than Gza!!! Gza is nice, but he's HIGHLY OVERATED. Thought vs. Ghost: I'd give it to Thought. Ghost is nice; but Thought is even nicer!!! Peace yall . . .

Overrated? I always thought Genius was underrated. It's my opinion that most the members of the Wu Tang Clan get overshadowed by ODB's antics and Method Man's celebrity. I know they treat their band like a perfect democracy, where each member is viewed at the same level, but in any group of nine talented, versatile artists, some are going to shine. I think Genius is definitely the best lyricist in the group and thus I find his music the most intelligent. Don't get me wrong, Ghostface is nice as hell, but the one Wu-Tang concert I went to, heads got amped for Cherchez LaGhost, but Breaker Breaker got a pretty mild reception. Needless to say, I think the Genius track is better.

GZA overratted?????? Buy Liquid Swords and then holla at me.

Kyle

one of my favorite LP's
classic shit!!


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Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

First off. BT has it over ghostface in all categories of MCin in my opinion. If you've ever seen ghost live then compared that to thought, i think its pretty obvious who the better mc is. Also, i feel like GZa is hands down the best original member of the Wu. A lot of people fronted on beneath the surface, but there were some deffinte joints on that record. that female njeri he had rappin on there was deep as it gets. she was like 2 steps ahead of most female MCs. Part of his production was wack, but I was deffinately feelin some of the other joints. Who could front on "ya wild cards, jack of all trades, those who parade their position, show their spades."

ASalaamuWaLeikum


"The true wealth of a nation lies not in it's gold or silver but in it's learning, wisdom, and in the uprightness of its sons." Kahlil Gibran

Ghost is ILLER than BOTH of them. Explain yourself!!!!!!!!!!

kyle

another vs. post!!!

shmooz

"i wanna be a pioneer so trails i blaze"

"hip hop you're the love of my life"

GOOD MATCH-UP. I DON'T GET AS HYPED WHEN I HEAR BLACK THOUGHT DROP A VERSE AS I DO WHEN I HEAR GHOSTFACE. IN MIC PRESENCE GHOST KILLS HIM. IN CLARITY BLACK THOUGHT GOT GHOST. LISTENING TO GHOST IS LIKE DECIPHERING ANCIENT LANGUAGES. ON THAT SAME TOKEN THOUGH GHOST SAYS A LOT MORE ILLER SHIT. BLACK THOUGHT RHYME STYLE IS BASICALLY SIMPLE IN CONSTRUCTION, GHOST TOTAL OPPOSITE. BOTH ARE GREAT EMCEES!! REALLY HARD TO CHOOSE ONE OVER THE OTHER. I GUESS I REALLY HAVE AN ANSWER AFTER BLACK THOUGHTS SOLO EVEN THOUGH TO BE HONEST EVERY ROOTS ALBUM IS DAMN NEAR A SOLO FOR HIM.

I've been wondering about this shit for about a month now after reading various posts about each artist and FUCK a battle...can u just imagine these two collectives in the studio together??!?!! The creativity would flow out the room into the hall and out into the street! Kelo and the Rza...Ahmir and Dennis Coles(GHK's government. Most ppl don't know that he executively produced most of the Wu albums right along with RZA. Check that out!) I would love to see these two cats on a track together! I don't care what nobody say, Ghost's shit is deciperable, and easy to flow with. His don't put words together cause they "pretty" and shit. Each word is twisted to take on another meaning. If this ain't hip hop in it's purest then what is? Thought's delivery to me is very similar. His flow is simple, but when you get into his topics and subtopics, he can get just as "undecipherable" (peep the quotation marks) as Ghost.
No matter what though...bost of these artists and collectives will go down as one of the greatest in hip hop.




"The toes you step on today, might be connected to that ass you gotta kiss tomorrow"Yogi of CRU

"they raped expression changed her name to entertain
now she's doing pole tricks while doused with dollars and champange
chump change, we just taking it back is what they claim
but pimping is simply pimping no matter if you change the name"
that's a papi original

Word!! i just pictured that in my head. The flows would definetly gel nice. I think i'd be too much for the average head to digest.

I need to lobby for that shit or something, cause it's all I've been able to think about for about a month now. These two collective, but specifically these two artists. Ghost is on a jawn with Mos Def, so the next step up would be BT.




"The toes you step on today, might be connected to that ass you gotta kiss tomorrow"Yogi of CRU

"I put my heart, my soul, my pen into it..." that's a papi original

Tony Starks

I AM REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS POST! I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS GHOST IS ONE OF THE TIGHTEST PROLIFIC IMAGINATIVE MC'S OUT THERE!

LISTEN TO "SATURDAY NIGHT" AND IT'S LIKE....A MOVIE RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU. HIS MOUTH DASHES WITH THE SPEED OF THOUGHT!

BLACK THOUGHT IS ALSO TIGHT IN HIS OWN RIGHT......CHECK OUT "PUSH UP YOUR LIGHTER" AND "HYPNOTIC".

LOVE THEM BOTH!
GHOST EXCITES THOUGH!

I watched Rap City with Big Tigger.
Tigger asked Ghostface about the lyrics on his album and the meaning.
Ghost reply, (not a direct quote)"Sometimes I get blazed and I just start writting, and I just be written whatever comes out my mind."
Meaning: he doesn't know..
If Ghost don't know what the fuck he is saying, how can you?

peace...

Funny yo, I seen that show too and no that is not a direct quote. Have you listened to any ghost albums? I'm sure the man knows what he's writing. Most artists take this same approach to their music( now I've seen some shit that ?eust worte about scoring some gang') But yo maybe our methods of deciphering aren't the same. Any line you can pull off of any track that Ghost has spit on, bring it.


"The toes you step on today, might be connected to that ass you gotta kiss tomorrow"Yogi of CRU

"I put my heart, my soul, my pen into it..." that's a papi original

"The toes you step on today, might be connected to that ass you gotta kiss tomorrow"Yogi of CRU

"I put my heart, my soul, my pen into it..." that's a papi original

That's partially true. A lot of his lyrics can be deciphered. Some make no sense to the listener but so what. It's like absract art, you may not recognize the image but you can sometimes appreciate the beauty of it. Plus, Ghost is just original. You never know what he'll say.
He has incredible stroy telling skills too.

Fuck a internet coke is it when you on line-Kweli

>That's partially true. A lot of
>his lyrics can be deciphered.
>Some make no sense to
>the listener but so what.
>It's like absract art, you
>may not recognize the image
>but you can sometimes appreciate
>the beauty of it. Plus,
>Ghost is just original. You
>never know what he'll say.
>
>He has incredible stroy telling skills
>too.
>
>
Ghost story tellin skills are incredible. Shit tugs at ya heart.

that quote is an interesting take on what he really said. he really said "I knew what it meant when I wrote it." He said absolutely nothing about getting blazed.

Peace,
Illnes

"Aw, don't say that, Tito..."
- Miles Davis

"Vertical sideways, earthquakes'll shake them highways"
- Kool Keith

"Scotty watty cop it to me, big microphone hippie/
Hit Poughkepsie crispy chicken verbs throw up a stone richie"
- Ghostface Killah

there isn't even a contest

Ghost puts 100x more passion into it than thought, and thought ain't no slouch either.

He just gets you amped. Lyrically he's tight. His flow is great and his storytelling is incredible b/c he rarely kicks them in a straightforward manner, yet we feel like we were there.


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"I wanna give a shout out...to funkmaster flex and all the dj's across the world. I want to give a shout out to my n***a luke, I wanna give a shout out to my n***a suge knight,...to my n***a dr. dre, snoop dogg. I wanna give a shout out to..umm...ummm...ummm what's them n***as? Outkast!? I wanna give a shout out to ummmm them crazy n***as... that...in parts of the world that I never been to. I wanna give a shout out...to the eskimos! I wanna give a shout out to the submarines...I wanna give a shout out to th...uh the army navy airforce marines! Knowuhmsayin? Y'all playin my music...in the submarines, in the boats! Knowuhmsayin?!? Play that sh*t! Youknowuhmsayin?!? Called travelin' music bustin yo ass style! Yo Big Baby Jesus youknowhumsayin?!? One looove! I give a shout out to all the women! I give a shout out to alll the babies, all the munchkins all across the world playin hopscotch!! I give a shout out to all the schoolteachers! I give a shout out to uhhhhm....ummmm...myself!" - ODB "I Can't Wait"

Kwame'v/s anybody and I'd put my money on the polka dots.

>Kwame'v/s anybody and I'd put my
>money on the polka dots.
>



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i havent heard enuff of tony to argue who's better. but i see starks as more hype, thug type, bust you in the back of yo head, type mc. while thought seems more of a comtemplative, laid back type mc. it seems like you get hype more off G-diddy's energy rather than his lyrics, and vice versa for BT-diddy (inspired by the boondocks strip). as for who's better? wouldn't be easier if you asked "who's better: black thought or....mase?"
peace
L-diddy(haha)

"great spirits often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds" - albert einstein

"whomever conceptualized the mechanism(and derivatives of) calculus should be beaten and stabbed, and then vice versa" - me

That is the most absurd thing iv'e ever heard. You "get hype" off his hypeness, not his lyrics????? Buy a fuckin' G'Deini album and come back and make an intelligent post. Holla.

Kyle

Motherfuckers act like Thought don't make hype joints. See "The Ultimate", "Adrenaline", "The Lesson Pt III"....come on, my man KILLS hype joints. I'm listening to Ghost's "Nutmeg". Sounds like a really hyped drunk freestyle. Lyrically, Thought is killing it. Somebody called Thought's style simple? What the? YOU do that shit if it's so simple. Dude has a variety of flows and can sound fly on a wide variety of tracks (including the circus music of the "Burn, Hollywood, Burn" remake).

Listen to Ghost doing a socially conscious rhyme on "I Can't Go to Sleep" versus Thought on, say, "Pump Ya Fist" or "Quicksand Millenium". Come on....Ghost gets over on emotion. Dude is like a cross between Tupac and Kool Kieth...I love him and all, but he isn't even in my Top 20 in this, too much irreverent shit that sounds like he freestyled it at 2 in the morning. This thing should be about SONGS.

Anyway...

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality*

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Just listen, you will believe...

"I don't denounce writtens, but freestyling at its essence is improvising. It's spontaneous, uncut, mind, thought, travel, energy - all at the same time...the thing is to be at a peak where your freestyle sounds like your writtens and vice versa" - Aceyalone on freestyling (Rappages, Sept. 95)

"Smack it up, Flip It, Rub It Down.. OH NOOOO!! - This always intrigued me. What horrible catastrophe was caused by rubbing it down? If he just stopped after flipping it could this tragedy have been avoided?" - jsmooth995, LOL of the month

a cross between Tupac and Kool Keith

hahahaha its funny because its true
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You couldn't be more wrong. Nutmeg, aka Track 2 on Supreme Clientele???? Sounds like a drunk freestyle??????????????????????????? You shouldn't be allowed to post on okayplayer EVER again for saying that. Ghost's rhyme scheme and delivery in that song is sick. Name one rapper that even compares to Ghostface. His style is unparalled. He's in a class of his own. Tupac and Kool Keith??? That's soooooo untrue and terrible. He's nothing like either one. Ghost is iller than Black Thought hands down. Holla.

Kyle

It's obvious you haven't hung out with a lot of people who freestyle WELL. Yes, "Nutmeg" with its non-sequitirs sound very much like a drunk freestyle. A drunk freestyle from an emcee with strong delivery, but a drunk freestyle nonetheless. You can't say that "nutmeg" sounds anywhere near coherent, you big microphone hippie.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality*

* new name. debut single dropping in summer even if it kills me

COMICS ARTIST NEEDED!!!!!!!! INBOX ME!!!!!

http://www.mp3.com/miscellaneousflux -
Just listen, you will believe...

"In the first forty years of the twentieth century, about half of all
blacks who were killed, were killed by law enforcement." - Tim Wise, shocking statistic of the moment

"Smack it up, Flip It, Rub It Down.. OH NOOOO!! - This always intrigued me. What horrible catastrophe was caused by rubbing it down? If he just stopped after flipping it could this tragedy have been avoided?" - jsmooth995, LOL of the month

head vs. no head?

who cares!

Yeah, I know them both through their many endeavors, but I honestly feel that you can't compare two people like that... See, the vibe is different, you can't hear GFK over a ?love beat, but you can ALMOST hear Thought over a GINUINE RZA beat, but the vibe is not the same... I can almost bet though, that if you get a "gassed up" Premo beat, you can hear them both shine over that. For example, something old, like "Come Clean", and they will both rip it, and after it's done, you can't say who's the best... but that's my opinion, and people who will generaly compare them would actually be fans of both...
SWEATT

and Thought didn't study under Bruce Lee nigga.

So there.

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

"Pimpin ain't easy, Pimpin ain't dead, the hoes are just scared" - Charles Oakley

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Ghost DID NOT, I REPEAT, DID NOT study under Bruce Lee. It's a lyrical joke buddy. Gimme a break.

Kyle

>Ghost DID NOT, I REPEAT, DID
>NOT study under Bruce Lee.
> It's a lyrical joke
>buddy. Gimme a break.
>

Errrr. I think he knows that. Matter of fact, I think we ALL know that.

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"I wanna give a shout out...to funkmaster flex and all the dj's across the world. I want to give a shout out to my n***a luke, I wanna give a shout out to my n***a suge knight,...to my n***a dr. dre, snoop dogg. I wanna give a shout out to..umm...ummm...ummm what's them n***as? Outkast!? I wanna give a shout out to ummmm them crazy n***as... that...in parts of the world that I never been to. I wanna give a shout out...to the eskimos! I wanna give a shout out to the submarines...I wanna give a shout out to th...uh the army navy airforce marines! Knowuhmsayin? Y'all playin my music...in the submarines, in the boats! Knowuhmsayin?!? Play that sh*t! Youknowuhmsayin?!? Called travelin' music bustin yo ass style! Yo Big Baby Jesus youknowhumsayin?!? One looove! I give a shout out to all the women! I give a shout out to alll the babies, all the munchkins all across the world playin hopscotch!! I give a shout out to all the schoolteachers! I give a shout out to uhhhhm....ummmm...myself!" - ODB "I Can't Wait"

with Kareem Abdul-Jabaar an em. Up at his place in San Fran like Waaaaaa-pow!

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

"Pimpin ain't easy, Pimpin ain't dead, the hoes are just scared" - Charles Oakley

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wrong

Kyle

"Quotes are for homos"---Mos Def

right after he trained with the Shaolin monks. The ones that taught him the art of chessboxing and got ODB hooked on Chinese Opium.

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

"Pimpin ain't easy, Pimpin ain't dead, the hoes are just scared" - Charles Oakley

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