i dunno what is is whit this album, but when I hear it I feel like a grimey. i just wanna slip on a ski mask and lay in the shaddows

subliminals?
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confusion is nothing new - Cindy Lauper

I agree to a degree
you see the roots
can write about anything
even your u or me
i feel that there the key.
they open up this universe
like a patient loves a nurse.
eat a fuckin purse,
kill Fred durst,
if u think my style is wack
take two steps back!!!!

Illadelph halflife is definitly some grimy depresing shit if your in that kinnda mood. Not all the joints are like that tho. I can listen to the whole album at one sitting witch says alot compared to most of the albums put out these days....
Clones and Push up ya lighta are probably some of my favorite roots joints.

p.s. I'm a hack M.C. :D think i'll stick to scratch djing, lol

-riq's fade on "section"
-jazzie fade on "episodes"
-riq's fade on "push up your lighter"
-malik morphing into riq first chorus on "no alibi"
-malik fading like doughboy from boyz in the hood end of "no great pretender" (peep the backwards reverb effect. scared the shit outta me when bob did it)
-hypnotic. scary
more more more.............





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@@@@@
-edutainment (funny in the annivrsery issue they left this out...but i have the ice cube issue when they first started rating albums)
-people's instintive travels and the paths of rhythm
-amerikkka's most wanted
-let the rhythm hit em
-all for one
-de la soul is dead
-the low end theory
-illmatic
-life after death
-aquemini
-niggaz4life* (not reveiwed but in summer issue 92 they mentioned it as a 5mic classic)

@@@@1/2
-sex and violence
-buisiness as usual
-business never personal
-whut thee album
-breaking atoms
-death certifacate
-buhloone mindstate
-the chronic
-enter the 36 chambers
-southernplayerlisticadillacmusic
-ready to die
-the infamous
-only built 4 cuban links
-illadelph halflife
-hell on earth
-bow down
-i am
-murder muzick
-life story
-classic limited edition vol 1
-guerilla warfare
-in my lifetime vol.3
-la rock familia
-ecleftic:two sides to a story
-moment of truth
-supreame clientel
-last of a dying breed
-the truth

the gag mics-
fear of a black planet-@@@1/2
da shinin-@@@
stankonia-@@@@
lootpack-@@1/2
ressurection-@@@1/2
the beatnuts-@@@1/2**
mos def and talib kweli are black star-@@@1/2
the love movement-@@@1/2
fantastic vol 2-@@@1/2

*-source never reviewed, but mentioned in summer issue that it was a 5 mic classic.

**-the only record to change a rating after printing. in the next issue they printed (in fine print that it was a @@@@ mic album)

there is some talkin' in the backgrund of that song, and it sounds backwards too
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The first time I bought it I was mad that it didn't sound
like DYWM?!!??! but the longer that I owned it the more it
started to creep up on me and demand more and more repeats.
I think I already stated in another "Artist" thread that my
all time favorite instrumental on any 12" is my copy of
"Concerto of the Desperado." I like to just turn all the
lights off, block all the windows, make it completely dark,
then drop the needle on that shit and just lay there in the
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Hmmm, well... DYWM will always be one of my favorite albums ever, but I must say I also found renewed appreciation of IHL, which happened... either this week or last week, I guess.

The problem with IHL before was that I had bought it together with DYWM and always when I buy two albums at the same time, one of them (the one that sounds best at first listen(s)) always gets a lot of play, while the other remains in the shade...

Now my opinion is that it is pointless to argue which album is better, because they're so different. If you like the DYWM style better, you will like that album more than IHL and vice versa.

Another way to approach it is from a technical viewpoint. At the time I bought both albums, I was more into rhyming. Now I've been exploring beatcreating quite a lot as well. And from a HipHop point of view, IHL is better on the technical tip, no doubt. DYWM had a band playing, IHL had a band using what they play in a similar way as HipHop uses samples. When I listen to IHL now, I hear subtle things in those beats that just tickle my ear.

However it may be, all I know is that if this summer will be a hot one, I'll be very glad to have DYWM in my collection. If this summer will suck, I'll be bumping a lot more of IHL... which kind of illustrates the point of the original post... Hmmm.

To cut a long story short (cause I'm due for class in five min.) there is no point in doing IHL vs DYWM debates. It's better to find the good points of both records. And as a closing comment I would like to say that it would be a shame if the Roots would totally abandon the DYWM-style, cause that would leave us with very few acts flipping it the way they did on the album.


I don't make sense cause I'm Belgian,

DVL aka the long lost WUZ

It's got this creepy ass grey rainy day ghost town type feel to it..no alibi is one of my favorite jawns but there is something maaaaad unnerving about listening to it.
Personally I think IHL is the best roots album they ever made, because its got this crazy quality to it, and its alot more ambigious than DYWM or TFA, I dunno I cant explain it..but its my favorite to listen to.



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this whole thread has just articulated what i feel whenever i hear IHL (and for that matter, the dj shadow song on "nia"), yet couldnt quite put finger on....

"i feel like putting on a ski mask and hiding in shadows"?

funny. and kinda true.

It tells me to "Get the gun, get the gun"

Feel my "Notic" shit
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"Touch Dis, El-e-phant, Dyn-a-mite!!!" :)

"I know I'm twisted, but fuck it...I like it like dat" - Scrapluv

"One day, I WILL be featured, but for now...I'll just lay the chorus" - Scrapluv

>It tells me to "Get the
>gun, get the gun"

and just "kill FOUR PEOPLE....just FOOUURRRRR PEEPLE, MAN...." (c) Martin Lawrence


"without struggle, there is no progress" - anon

seek.

It's challengin'...everybody has this straight "fuck the world" vibe from Black Thought on his "make a man murder" tip, to Ursula on some "bitches in cages," it's ill...the second side threw me off the last times I listened when it went off on a tangent, but that's cool...oh yeah, it's Black Thought's apex as far as recordings go, no doubt.


"YA GOTTA LET YOUR NUTS HANG." - Scarface

at the very end of the song, as it fades out, spanky plays this little funk riff at the end. I only caught that on my headphones at first...


peace,

r

man, i cought crazy sounding stuff in my headphones only
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we put his bass through a piano filter.


the source mic ratings 1990-2001


@@@@@
-edutainment (funny in the annivrsery issue they left this out...but i have the ice cube issue when they first started rating albums)
-people's instintive travels and the paths of rhythm
-amerikkka's most wanted
-let the rhythm hit em
-all for one
-de la soul is dead
-the low end theory
-illmatic
-life after death
-aquemini
-niggaz4life* (not reveiwed but in summer issue 92 they mentioned it as a 5mic classic)

@@@@1/2
-sex and violence
-buisiness as usual
-business never personal
-whut thee album
-breaking atoms
-death certifacate
-buhloone mindstate
-the chronic
-enter the 36 chambers
-southernplayerlisticadillacmusic
-ready to die
-the infamous
-only built 4 cuban links
-illadelph halflife
-hell on earth
-bow down
-i am
-murder muzick
-life story
-classic limited edition vol 1
-guerilla warfare
-in my lifetime vol.3
-la rock familia
-ecleftic:two sides to a story
-moment of truth
-supreame clientel
-last of a dying breed
-the truth

the gag mics-
fear of a black planet-@@@1/2
da shinin-@@@
stankonia-@@@@
lootpack-@@1/2
ressurection-@@@1/2
the beatnuts-@@@1/2**
mos def and talib kweli are black star-@@@1/2
the love movement-@@@1/2
fantastic vol 2-@@@1/2

*-source never reviewed, but mentioned in summer issue that it was a 5 mic classic.

**-the only record to change a rating after printing. in the next issue they printed (in fine print that it was a @@@@ mic album)

No Alibi, No Great Pretender, and Clones...

But you might get caught off-gaurd by "Hypnotic" and "Push Up Ya Lighter" if you really let the vibe hit you. The Hypnotic is one of my ALL TIME fav hiphop tracks. No Alibi was my fav joint after I first got the CD and listened thru... but after a couple years wit it.... Hypnotic is that heat!

Squeamish kids, yall get the eff outta this post (c) Jay-Z


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"Put that Spring Water down man, you aint sweatin
You motherfuckers did a 10 minute weak show and you jettin" --- Kool Keith

"Kneel down, I'll make a nigga like you call me Big Earnest" --- Kool Keith

"A big dissapointment when I rub your asshole with a verbal ointment" --- Kool Keith

"I wasnt proud of it but I was a child... FUCK IT" --- Jay-Z

"Muthafucka, I pull your face off...
bout to show you what the fuck you look like" --- Kool Keith

You gotta listen to this album at night in a bleak or vacant part of town...then the shit's creepy, and also if u like the grimy creepy type shit get the "Meiso Drug Deal Vocal Mix" if you can find it....you will eat it up...peace, d

Dice Raw's verse on Clones.
The song name escaps me, but his verse:
"Sometimes i sit back and wonder what the fuck i think about that
nowadays kids get whacked for nothin less than a pact..."

Raw as Hell!!!

another dark track that's off the hook is Gravediggaz Diary of a Madman. Or Danja Danja!!!

But the Roots is more eerie because of the reality in it.

Something about it compels me to listen to it on them dark, grey ass rainy days. And at night...I barely listen to that album when it's sunny outside. Don't know why, just don't.

creepy yo....real creepy...

-Loryn

5.12.01--mos def concert. arguably the best day of my life.

okayoungins-we put some stank on it.

"If I don't like it, I don't like it, that don't mean that I'm hatin"--Common

EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE AS LARGE A TURNOUT AS WE HAD HOPED, MOS DEF AND TALIB ROCKED THE PLACE, ALONG WITH J5, DILATED, FRONT PORCH, BURNING STAR, AZTLAN UNDERGROUND, AND MANY MORE...OH YEAH, SAUL WILLIAMS BLESSED THE MIC. IT DEFINITELY WAS THE DOPEST SHOW EVER, AND THE BEST PART WAS THAT LIGHT AND AWARENESS WAS SHED ON IMAM JAMIL'S SITUATION. WE PLAN ON HOLDING ANOTHER CONCERT NEAR THE END OF THIS YEAR IN PHILLY, SO LOOK OUT FOR THAT ONE. THANKS FOR THOSE WHO CAME OUT AND SUPPORTED...AND FOR THOSE WHO WERE TOO SCARED TO ROLL OUT TO WATTS...YOU MISSED OUT ON A DOPE SHOW AND A GREAT COMMUNITY...YOU CAN'T ALWAYS BELIEVE THE MEDIA HYPE, OR ELSE YOU'LL FALL VICTIM TO IGNORANCE. PEACE......SISTER HAERO

do yo dang.


the source mic ratings 1990-2001


@@@@@
-edutainment (funny in the annivrsery issue they left this out...but i have the ice cube issue when they first started rating albums)
-people's instintive travels and the paths of rhythm
-amerikkka's most wanted
-let the rhythm hit em
-all for one
-de la soul is dead
-the low end theory
-illmatic
-life after death
-aquemini
-niggaz4life* (not reveiwed but in summer issue 92 they mentioned it as a 5mic classic)

@@@@1/2
-sex and violence
-buisiness as usual
-business never personal
-whut thee album
-breaking atoms
-death certifacate
-buhloone mindstate
-the chronic
-enter the 36 chambers
-southernplayerlisticadillacmusic
-ready to die
-the infamous
-only built 4 cuban links
-illadelph halflife
-hell on earth
-bow down
-i am
-murder muzick
-life story
-classic limited edition vol 1
-guerilla warfare
-in my lifetime vol.3
-la rock familia
-ecleftic:two sides to a story
-moment of truth
-supreame clientel
-last of a dying breed
-the truth

the gag mics-
fear of a black planet-@@@1/2
da shinin-@@@
stankonia-@@@@
lootpack-@@1/2
ressurection-@@@1/2
the beatnuts-@@@1/2**
mos def and talib kweli are black star-@@@1/2
the love movement-@@@1/2
fantastic vol 2-@@@1/2

*-source never reviewed, but mentioned in summer issue that it was a 5 mic classic.

**-the only record to change a rating after printing. in the next issue they printed (in fine print that it was a @@@@ mic album)

that's all....

3rd

only thing is it was too short. but yeah, it was the shit. South Philly repazent!

even the back of the cd case.... body less heads floating there... and the colors? green brown & black... thats dirty for sure...

?uestlove, you're such a brilliant brother!;) I think the reference is to Meet the Beatles, which has a similar visual lay out on its cover - the Beatles' heads on a black background. Anyway, I think that's what they were going for on the back of the disc.

"YA GOTTA LET YOUR NUTS HANG." - Scarface