I think that some of the okayplayers have been so taken in by the opinions of ?uestlove (aka Music Soulchild's older cousin who used to eat his butterscotch tastycakes and drink his strawberry quik) that they have lost their goddamned minds....see the overabundance of Jay Dee is God posts. Now I would like to know how you exert such influence and how much it it? and please inform when you begin claiming Black Thought as the best emcee so I can make sure not to check the posts for a little bit. Also please inform your worshippers that the spaceship that will transport them to a higher plane of existence is arriving soon, where they will revel in the sounds of producers that negatively affect the sound of legendary groups....and receive acclaim for producing groups with wack lyrics.

"I don't give a fuck about your keys of coke, gats that you claim you toke, lyrics that you say you wrote or even if you slit your throat." Kriminul (Jigmastas)

>see
>the overabundance of Jay Dee
>is God posts.

it turns out that i was a jay fanatic before okayplayer... but i didn't even know who he was until after i got here.

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but only this line:

>I would like to know
>how you exert such influence
>and how much it it?

you're almost there young jedi ... soon all the power in the universe will be yours.

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>


You were doing good until..."gats
>that you claim you toke," HUH??? LMAO you don't TOKE a gat buddy. :) TOTE you TOTE a Gat Thug 101-hehe j/k

I write that verse everytime I post....I don't have pasting option on this piece at work...usually get it right though.....not working for me today

>I write that verse everytime I
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>on this piece at work...usually
>get it right though.....not working
>for me today

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The both of you actually took time to reply to an error that had already been mentioned. I hope that my time never becomes that meaningless.

Yeah, Questlove is evil.

Motherfucker has me not ONLY drinking Kool-Aid, but whenever he's in town I dress up as the Kool-Aid man and follow him around. Then when someone disagrees with hi I bust through a wall, slap the dude in the mouf and scream "Oh Yeah!!!."

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Rest in Peace, Aaliyah....A Salaam Aliekum....

Let's not get boggled down with semantics, that is immature and let's address the real issue here....dickriding OKPs

pathetic

Interestingly enough, while I agree... I disagree too... What I have noticed is that people blindly take his opinions as law... recently he and I went back and forth on here about Prince and his influences. While I definitely agreed live he wore his influences on his sleeve, it didn't start until the Purple Rain tour with his James Brown and background band countdown thing. Before that it was just Prince. This Motherfucker tried to tell me that Prince's recordings sounded like JB and Little Richard. Again, I disagreed, he didn't start doing this until 88 moving forward, before that, while I'm sure they were there, it was still strictly Prince. I was suprised at how people took his foolish rantings as law, me being a fan of music myself, I knew he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about even with all his so-called background information. Wasn't impressed. However, he has been apart of some of the best (note I did not say greatest) recordings of the nineties and the turn of the century but I'm also slightly convinced that it was all in a effort 'to be apart' of the hottest things going, D, E. Badhu, Bilal, Com, Slum, you name it. At the same time you have to respect that. The reality? Black music is a fucking shame right now, all we have is this bullshit of people using legendary techniques in performance (biting Prince's and James' DICK!!!) and recording (Oh Jimi, where are you when we REALLY need you) into their desired affect. They will redo some corny ass lyrics (see Bilal for that) and then call it that new shit... it's one part talent, two parts gimmick (see D'Angelo for that) and ultimately the light will come through. Do You Want More, Illadelphhalflife Volume 1 was that shit, no doubt, and during that time period they were the illest live act to catch. Now? It's all bs, they could use a facelift for real! What I have also noticed is to make up for their shortcomings or lack of talent Quest issues his propoganda posts to make them legendary, bugged out ish like "D is the new Prince" (laughing over that one man), or "Bilal is this or that" (I saw the Jay Leno performance, he needs to chill with the crack cause money can sing, and is ill, but he just seems like a damn clown)... as oppossed to just allowing us to feel the real. We know fake from real, and the realist thing poppin is E. Badhu's Momma's Gun, so the question becomes who's the real genius behind these projects, Quest or James Poyser. (poyser)
Quest or JD (hmmm... Slum or the Roots, depends, recording wise, Slum every time, live? The Roots hands down, but just like all great bands their peak was 93-96... no doubt...) Peace.

You would take Slum over the Roots recording wise? Why? I want your opinion, not attacking. I just think that people on the board should be more opinionated than to simply accept someone else's theories without thought, but Im sure it feeds is ego. And we all know that the Big Momma's House Sdtrk is the real ish right now.

well, maybe I will retract cause as I mentioned Do You... and Illadelph... is good, damn good, but the best from the Roots as far as I'm concerned, however, Slum is ill... I was fortunate enough to have the original bootleg release which is ten times better than the final. It's just gritty, off the cuff, funk, the Roots get to the point sometimes where they sound contrived, or even... sloppy. The second half of Things Fall Apart, falls apart. I know it's early to count on Slum and I hope JD's solo effort isn't any indication... we'll see. Live is another story all together, can't front on the Roots, even tho they now suffer from DeLA itis, the same damn routine since 96???? What is wrong with these cats!!!

ok...what da fucc do you do???can I hear your shit?????please???cuz I feel like im missing something if you think that TFA fell apart...... you must know something or you on some ol otha shit we aint ready for...

please bless us your majesty.....

oh, and I aint a dickrider...im just curious where you get ya high ground from.

so if I am to understand your silly ass, your basically saying that Quest love is the end all, above all, answer to music? what your basically saying is beyond this little fucking website...
that's it? No great music beyond Quest? No great music beyond the Roots? Please, I would show you how to get to my higher ground, but you would lose your grip and fall to your death...

its just that quest is like most enthusastic fans of music. when you hear something you like, or even something that youre involved in, you get hyped about it and this comes off in the posts.

Jay is still not the GOAT though.

well. you're so blind pointing fingers at me. when you really don't see the point at all. whenever i state an opinion of mine, i back up my theories.

i judt don't say "BILAL IS THE SHIT SO LIVE WITH IT SUCKERS!!!!!!!"

i at least back my shit up with some sort of theory. (I AM ?UEST STUFF WAS HUMOR BEFORE YOU START)

but unlike me i would like you to explain your second half of TFA falling apart...

-love of my life
-100% dundee
-diedre vs dice (interlude)
-adrenaline
-scratch vs. ? (interlude)
-you got me
-don't see us
-return to innocence lost

that is the second half.

now with half the TFA mail i get mofo's say that "love" touches them deeply.

"100" and "adrenaline" according to "them/yall" is some hyped ass lyrical shit with riq and malik on point as always. i've not met one person mad at beans' verse either.

"you got me" well cry "pop" all you want (and it's not pop because it barely cracked top 40) we still can claim title as one of the first groups in mainstream hip hop to fuck with drum and bass. and then to up the ante, fuck with drum and bass playing it live. even bilal's drummer had to record 4 tracks on "hand me down". so we got a hit, and did something ground breaking at the same time. half of my compliments from non roots fans are "yo! that drum shit on that erykah song is off the hook!!!!!!"

i like "dont see us". i think the jawn is funky and the lyrics are on point. i've heard various opinions about this one. i dig it.

and "return" while not a gangbang classic that snuffed you earlier, is still a touching piece. (i think the music is my scariest work)

do being though this is our best period yet. can you count how many groups that made thier debut in 1993 are still here?

snoop?
jay?
kast?

to the contrary. as long as we want to make records, we will still be here. and not on some run dmc past their prime shit. i'm talking about still relevant here.

how bout them apples?

that's kinda shady...i'm not on RUN DMC, but why'd u have to throw that name out there...damn...:O besides we all know the cliche about opinions. rather than be an a-hole about anything, it is more of a learning experience to try see the other persons perspective. i've been called a great hater over the years because of my opinions on hip hop and music in general. i don't care what you think but if you can present a legitimate of somewhat logic oriented presentation of your feelings then fine. i don't have to agree with you and vice versa. for example, i have every album the Roots have put out on either vinyl or CD. i actually became interested in the group in '92 when a fellow mc i was going to college with put me d. he had a tape from WPRB when they still had the hot underground hip hop show Raw Deal. ever since i've been checking the group. i don't like the albums to the point where i listen to them everyday. there are even musical issues i have with the group production-wise. whatever. that is my opinion. i have it and i express it. why does it have to be an argument? one more thought and i'm out, b4 this becomes a book. over the years i've heard many hip hop conversations where people compare artists who really are not similar. for example, KRS and Rakim, there is almost no comparison lyrically, yet i have heard the argument. if having an opinion means being an a-hole then i'll being sh@ttin' on a lot of people...:D

"we still can claim title as one of the first groups in mainstream hip hop to fuck with drum and bass"

How can you even say (type) that with a straight face?

I noticed you threw in "mainstream" this time, which is the arguement you're going to use if you respond, a la "I didn't say we were the first group to do it, just the first..." So just because you threw in some speeded up drums at the end of the song (where is the bass at anyway?), that means you're responsible for exposing the "mainstream" hip hop masses to drum and bass influenced hip hop? I know you'd like very much to "have your hand on that torch", but it's not yours. When I first heard the track, I thought...okay...well at least he's trying, but the shit ALMOST sounded forced. "Sounded forced" in the sense that one day you would be just barely be able to justify making a statement such as the one above.

(where is the bass
>at anyway?),

that you hear NO bass within the last parts of "you got me".

Hub's timing along with ?uest drumming is the essence of a basic drum n bass beat. You can argue all the other points, but you honestly hear no bass?

maybe it's your little sony "my first radio" that can't play lower ends of your cd.

I'm sorry, but you and I both know that speeded up drums and bass do not a drum and bass song, or snippet rather, make.

"Hub's timing along with ?uest drumming is the essence of a basic drum n bass beat"

Right...

Reply to the mandatory "okayinsult": I'll trade in my little sony "my first radio" for a bona fide ghetto blaster whenever you a) admit that you are an okaydickrider who can not think independently, b) admit that you need help and c) reply to posts that were directed to you (if and when you can start to reply intelligently).

>I'm sorry, but you and I
>both know that speeded up
>drums and bass do not
>a drum and bass song,
>or snippet rather, make.

you would have to have a basic working definition of "drum and bass" for anyone to agree on that point. and the definition of any given music genre is pretty broad. (1) what's your definition of "drum and bass"? (2) on what authority is that definition based? (3) you realize that any strict limitations on the nature of a genre constantly evolves as time progresses, right?

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

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so whose hand is on that torch?



my shoes are soaking wet, but my ankles are bone dry...everything's coming up millhouse!

No one as of yet...don't you listen to hip hop?

not that i feel as though i need to explain myself.

but while doing that joint, indeed i was thinking about living in london the early half of the decade. listening to shit that dego would play us long before dnb became more popular. and how could i put my twist on it.

while yes "mainstream" is looked upon as something bad, we are not exactly the best kept secret anymore. so while we are still not hot 97 material like jigga, we are not exactly low profile.

now you say this "straight face" shit like we failed or something. obviously we didn't bring shit to the level that tricky, or 4hero, or goldie, or prodigy for that matter did, but i felt as though i executed the initial idea in my head which was: "what can i add to this song that in have yet to hear my peers in hip hop do?"

the jazz breakdown has been done......we tried the tired and true dub thing (jah-faking)...rock shit....name it. at that point in the summer of 1998 i have yet to hear anyone in hip hop really fuck with drum and bass (timbo would flirt, but whenever i asked him he'd had a confused look on his face "dego who?")

not tribe
not gang starr
not outkast
not epmd
not pe
not digable
not 3rd bass


i havn't heard it. and if it did come out, i wasn't aware of it.


enlighten me then. take me out of the dark please.

perhaps krs did some shit and i missed it.
or maybe rae and ghost had a hidden track on cuban links.

straight up.
straight face.


WARNING; I JUST DEFENDED MY WORK. I FEEL I HAVE A RIGHT TO. THESE SONGS I CREATE ARE LIKE CHILDREN. FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH CHILDREN, JUST STAND THERE AND TAKE IT WHILE YOUR NEIGHBOR TELLS YOU, 'YOUR KID IS A RETARD'. SEE WHAT YOU DO. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS FOR COCKYNESS. AS YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN I LOVE MY CHILDREN AND WILL DEFEND THEM TO THE DEATH. THINK FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE. THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION. DO NOT FOLLOW ME PLEASE. YOU WILL ONLY GET HURT IN THE PROCESS.

As far as 'hip hop' is concerned, if you're not checkin' for MC Conrad's with the likes of LTJ Bukem, Goldie, Grooverider, etc, nobody's fucked with it till "you got me"

BUT, I would possibly argue that "Brown Paper Bag", a Roni Size single was released February 10,1998. (beating out Things Fall Apart by two weeks) It did get 'mainstream' radio play and it had a video. (I believe MTV's AMP actually helped this video get mainstream love)

This is all null and void because I think y'all were talking about within Hip Hop. The version the radio played was without an emcee. And I would also like to show to the jury, evidence B, Brown Paper Bag did not win a grammy for hip hop duo or group. Although this (soon to be) attorney would like the record to show that she very much likes Roni Size, especially live, and is not trying to belittle his success in any way shape or form.



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roni size dosn't count cause he is in that calliber of artist that i would consider drum and bass anyway. he is a drum and bass pioneer. matter of fact. it was a remix i did for him that got me open into doing such a thing in the first place.

i too was speaking in terms of hip hop.

perhaps the initial "whoa guy" poster thought i was trying to take credit for inventing drum and bass. sure hope people read again before they write. cause i swore i said nothing to get that response.

WARNING: HERE IS ANOTHER SIG FOR YOUR SIG.

I thought the roots invented the wheel!

I swear I read that on here...and you know what they say!

You DIDN'T invent drum n' bass????

Man, I'm selling my copy of Things Fall Apart. I thought it was a collector's item.

Damn. Next you're going to tell me Positive K didn't invent hip-hop.

1Love,
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>Although this (soon to be)
>attorney

oh no, don't tell me the law school matrix sucked you in, too?

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL.

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Actually Quest, KRS did do some shit with a guy named Goldie, a spell before Things Fall Apart was released. Goldie's from London, maybe you bumped into him while living abroad. The track was called "Digital". Let me know, I can email you a copy of the MP3 if you'd like. (we can milk this for as long as you'd like...)

Just to clear it up, IMO there hasn't been a mainstream rap act or artist that has brought drum and bass to the forefront of MAINSTREAM hip hop. Artists (The Roots, OutKast, Timberland, etc) have used elements of drum and bass, but no one has successfully created the hybrid everyone's been waiting for. I don't think mainstream hip hop is to that level yet, assuming that it ever will reach that level.

When BOB first came out, what were the first reactions to the song?

Average independent minded hip hop listener - "Oh snap, Outkast is on some drum and bass shit for the lead single off their album! Have you heard the track yet? It's off the hizzy!"

Trainspotting backpacker / anyone who hates the fact that OutKast has BROUGHT IT musically AND lyrically on all of their albums, flipping their style more successfully than the Roots ever will (or will they?-pointed finger-) - "On no, that's not drum and bass, it's just speeded up drums, which technically is not a drum and bass song. Actually, if you break down the drum patterns it's more along the lines of a booty song."

It's the second of the two responses (not that either were gospel)that stuck with me for a while and began to make me bitter towards your sometimes arrogant, elitist attitude (n.b. - I am not referring to specific posts / statements made by you, but rather the attitude that you have implanted into some of the impressionable minds that frequent these boards).

"not tribe
not gang starr
not outkast
not epmd
not pe
not digable
not 3rd bass"

What's the point here? You wanted to beat these guys to it? Who gives a shit? I thought the Roots were about making excellent music at their own pace. As was the point in my initial post, the Roots have not exposed mainstream hip hop to drum and bass, as you claimed. And they won't, because they are too afraid they will fall on their face (or will they? again - pointed finger-). And by the way, the above mentioned artists have all have made their permanent mark in hip hop. They are not worried about what they will be remembered for. Chuck D is not on his website claiming that he was the first rapper ever to expose mainstream hip hop to "political" rhymes, if you catch my drift.

you told me!

There is one song that I can think of that used drum n bass. There was a remix of Choclair's song "What it takes". It's pretty hot. But the song was not mainstream and he's from Canada so the US didn't play it at all.

we all try to back up our thoughts with theories as well...
your theories are no more relevant than anyone else's...
for the record, some of us have children and songs we have created, so there is never a need to be a arrogant asshole...
people who support your ass could just assume turn away...
how kind will be you then if your album doesn't even go gold?
or copper? Spare me the bullshit... your theories are not always on point, so the constant "I'm the shit" energy your throwing out there is a waste of fucking time... just create the music and have respect for the people who buy it... sounds simple enough doesn't it???
Your cocky ass has dissed a lot of people...
Mos, Run DMC and that's just two people! And look at those two...
and that coming from a good drummer (NOTICE THE WORD GREAT WASN'T TYPED) and a subpar beat maker? Hmmm...
I hear a corny ass group like 112 think they the shit too...

MY NAME IS PEOKE7 God DAMNITT!!!!

>we all try to back up
>our thoughts with theories as
>well...
>your theories are no more relevant
>than anyone else's...
>for the record, some of us
>have children and songs we
>have created, so there is
>never a need to be
>a arrogant asshole...

so because you make songs too, he isnt supposed to defend his??? what the hell are you trying to say here money?? He said he will defend his songs because they are like his children and he gives valid arguments with good points, he gives POINTS, no bullsh*tting, and i dont see the arrogance, maybe confidence (TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING)...what the hell do you want??

>people who support your ass could
>just assume turn away...
>how kind will be you then
>if your album doesn't even
>go gold?
>or copper? Spare me the
>bullshit... your theories are not
>always on point, so the
>constant "I'm the shit" energy
>your throwing out there is
>a waste of fucking time...
>just create the music and
>have respect for the people
>who buy it... sounds simple
>enough doesn't it???
>Your cocky ass has dissed a
>lot of people...
>Mos, Run DMC and that's just
>two people! And look
>at those two...
>and that coming from a good
>drummer (NOTICE THE WORD GREAT
>WASN'T TYPED) and a subpar
>beat maker? Hmmm...
>I hear a corny ass group
>like 112 think they the
>shit too...

and who the F*CK are you?? it sounds here like your trying to threaten him....what the F*CK is on your mind?? did ?uest steal your lunch money when you were kids??? if you think hes throwing "im the shit" energy around and is dissing people with no good reason then get the F*CK out of here, everyone is entitled to an opinion and if they back it up well then there is no reason for you to cry about it like he is just biggin himself up 24/7...you need help, your being way too defensive about someones VALID opinions/statements

and for the record i do not agree with everything ?uest says, i RESPECT his opinions because he backs them up well and he admits what he does not know or is not sure about, i sense more sincerity and excitement then arrogance from ?uest

first of all... if you grab his balls while you give him head then he will enjoy it more... cause A) no one was even talking to You (who the hell are you????) If I buy the music, rent the movie, support the concerts, then I have the right to criticize all I want... bottom line, he can criticize and even have the nerve to do record reviews, but what your telling me is he and anyone else for that matter is exempt from the same criticism??? Your bugging... I hope for his sake you swallow...

>Let's not get boggled down with
>semantics, that is immature and
>let's address the real issue
>here....dickriding OKPs

maaaan...it's hard NOT to expect the jockriders when you come to a fan site such as this...so long as YOU don't dikryde, if that's what you want, cats're gonna type what they want on this thing...i agree that the fine line b/w speakin' respect and jockrydin' has been crossed on more than one thread here on OKP, but eff it...you just gotta let 'em be...tho' i am glad you called 'em out...it's only so much one can take...continue on hollerin' out the nutsweaters...i wonder if the artists get sick of that ish too...like, "dayumn, i wish they'd stop kissin' my ass sooooo much"...yeah the roots're good and so're a buncha other groups out there, but i jus' figure that if you're gonna go to the fansite of ANY group, you gotta be willin' to take some of the sh** on there with the proverbial grain of salt...
?uest is GOD???...psh, God's prolly livin' thru that man, as He is thru most of us all, but dude(?uest) is a helluva drummer...thatisall...siguesigue

paz y amor
L Malo

but he is the best producer.

Kyle

he might as well be, they ride his dick just as or even more than they do the roots...

why is dialated peoples okayartists???? im not knockin them, but to me they just seem.....outa place.....

hell, id rather see trick daddy in that slot!!!! just jokin...but trick is that muffuka..quit frontin...

>he might as well be, they
>ride his dick just as
>or even more than they
>do the roots...
>
>why is dialated peoples okayartists???? im
>not knockin them, but to
>me they just seem.....outa place.....
>
>
>hell, id rather see trick daddy
>in that slot!!!! just jokin...but
>trick is that muffuka..quit frontin...

You half a homo. Jay GETS his because he deserves to get his. Sucka!!!!!

Kyle

How old are you son?

I need a new nigga for this black cloud to follow/cuz while it's over me it's dark to see tomorrow-Nas
Man plants seeds that bring forth multiple breeds/So many cultures on one planet but one culture's freed-Nas

>How old are you son?

Whateva. Why does it matter? I'm sick of cats sayin' Jay isn't nice. That's all.

Kyle

How old? 16,17,18...what it it?

I need a new nigga for this black cloud to follow/cuz while it's over me it's dark to see tomorrow-Nas
Man plants seeds that bring forth multiple breeds/So many cultures on one planet but one culture's freed-Nas

21. May 11, 1980.

Kyle

Okay. Anyway, this post isn't about who's the best producer. You ain't gotta show love for Jay every time out. You do enough of that on the lesson.


I need a new nigga for this black cloud to follow/cuz while it's over me it's dark to see tomorrow-Nas
Man plants seeds that bring forth multiple breeds/So many cultures on one planet but one culture's freed-Nas

Well I agree that the jockridin is annoying. Jay Dee is the best producer? Have you even heard ANY beats by premo???!! I agree about D and Bilal, and that Things Fall Apart ..fell apart (I actually posted about The Roots slipping weeks ago but everybody was in disagreement). And I have to say, although Okayplayer is great when we live in this Nsync, jiggy ice, TRL, fake thug, sorry excuse for "Rhthym & Blues" WASTELAND.. some of this crap is overrated. I don't like ?uest's attitude on this site, but I guess he's just irritable since he's on tour a lot. This site seems to be "falling apart" itself, as I am seeing more and more ignorance by the people who post.

And yeah, Dilated doesn't really fit in. I think Mos, Erykah, dead prez, and others should have been OkayArtists all along too.. cause there aren't that many artists up here to be honest. I dunno about OKP anymore.. it's getting real dull and boring. I'm still gonna support this, but for now.. I think it's time to click the "X" button on this site.

Peace

"..." -Me

maybe this site doesnt include all the artist you think belong here, but how do you know what collection of artists should be here?? this is not your vision, maybe they have something else in mind instead of a huge collection of similar artists

I somewhat agree with the earlier post. Illadelph Halflife was the joint. TFA was...cool, to me. I'm still a fan, though, but I try to be respectful of those that don't share my opinions.
"H to the Izzo, V to the Izzay" Jay-Z

I agree with some of the things you and peoke said. You got a lot of fanatics on here and they're gonna take whatever Quest says as gospel. I don't care what his credentials are or what songs he's produced. I don't agree with some of the shit he says(Jay Dee is the GOAT,all that D'angelo shit,etc). A lot of cats on here need to learn how to form their own opinions. I ain't really see people mentioning Jay Dee until Quest started hyping him up. Now he's everyone's favorite producer. You can't blame Quest for that though but there are some lemmings on here..


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Man plants seeds that bring forth multiple breeds/So many cultures on one planet but one culture's freed-Nas

>I agree with some of the
>things you and peoke said.
>You got a lot of
>fanatics on here and they're
>gonna take whatever Quest says
>as gospel. I don't care
>what his credentials are or
>what songs he's produced. I
>don't agree with some of
>the shit he says(Jay Dee
>is the GOAT,all that D'angelo
>shit,etc). A lot of cats
>on here need to learn
>how to form their own
>opinions. I ain't really see
>people mentioning Jay Dee until
>Quest started hyping him up.
>Now he's everyone's favorite producer.
> You can't blame Quest
>for that though but there
>are some lemmings on here..

I loved Jay's beats before I even knew who he was. ?uestlove just verified my point that Dilla's the GOAT.

Kyle

Give it a fucking break guy, it is beyond ridiculous now

>Give it a fucking break guy,
>it is beyond ridiculous now

Whateva kid. I'm just reppin', not dickridin'.

Kyle

JayDee for president!

We all know your opinion on Jay Dee. We don't need to hear that shit every post.

I need a new nigga for this black cloud to follow/cuz while it's over me it's dark to see tomorrow-Nas
Man plants seeds that bring forth multiple breeds/So many cultures on one planet but one culture's freed-Nas

Always remeber don't hate.......we need to unite not divide.

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sometimes make me feel guilty for agreeing w/?uest. Like, is it possible for me to have my own opinions? And is it possible that those opinions agree w/his? And maybe he just posts them 1st, or posts them better than I?

But then I remember the main reason I started fucking w/these boards was b/c I found a group of ppl who shared some of my views on music. So of course it's gonna be a semi-regular thing for me to agree w/another OKP.

i am supposed to feel guilty for agreeing with ?uest now? because several of his views match mine, i'm suddenly a dickrider? stattic, i'm sick of your shit man. what DO you like? i'm pretty damn sure that you're pretty new to the boards, and i can guarantee about 85% of your posts have been complaining about shit. get over it. wally really likes jay. let him do him. you make a post like this which is basically directed at him, obviously he's gonna start throwing his opinions at you because you've got him on the defense with this shit. let it go. damn. peace, love, and soul!!!
-b

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>i am supposed to feel guilty
>for agreeing with ?uest now?
>because several of his views
>match mine, i'm suddenly a
>dickrider? stattic, i'm sick of
>your shit man. what DO
>you like? i'm pretty damn
>sure that you're pretty new
>to the boards, and i
>can guarantee about 85% of
>your posts have been complaining
>about shit. get over it.
>wally really likes jay. let
>him do him. you make
>a post like this which
>is basically directed at him,
>obviously he's gonna start throwing
>his opinions at you because
>you've got him on the
>defense with this shit.

Word. I like Jay-Dee. The last time I checked that wasn't a fucking crime. Every time I see "Primo is the Best" or "Jay's Wack" shit on here, I'ma post some shit about how I rep Jay. THE CAT IS NICE!!!! IT'S NOT MY FAULT THAT JAY-DEE IS NICE. I LOVE JAY-DEE BECAUSE DUDE IS THE ILLEST SAMPLE DIGGER, THE ILLEST DRUM PROGRAMMER, AND THE ILLEST PRODUCER. If you don't like it, just read it and keep it movin'. Peace.

Kyle

Jay Dee is cool, but I'm feelin Organized Noize and Earthtone III a lot more. Jay Dee producing an entire album makes me sleepy.

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>but I'm
>feelin Organized Noize and Earthtone
>III a lot more.
>Jay Dee producing an entire
>album makes me sleepy.

Jay Dee isn't bad, don't get me wrong, but
he's not fucking w/these heads.
I'm in complete aggreance with you Kao.
Organized Noize and Earthtone are on a
completely different production plateau.
A lot of the music you can honestly say you've
never heard anything like it before.
Or "on some different shit" for all my
slanging compadres.

Nobody is ready for the next installment from
the Earthtone & Organized Noize camp.
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You should only feel guilty if you follow what ?uestlove says without discerning the content of his arguments. Now there is NO reason to become defensive unless you are one of those people. If you find yourself agreeing with ?uestlove and take the time to investigate what he says. I did not directly aim the post at Wally, although he is guilty of atleast one offense, there are plenty of others. And as far as how long I have been a member, I was a member in Summer of '99, didn't post much b/c I was finishing up school and now Im posting again, as if that should matter. I do not understand why people are getting so defensive, if they are confident in their own views, then so be it. As far as what DO I like, I like plenty and if you check my posts in the Lesson, I am not always hating on others.

what makes ur opinion so damn precious huh fucko?????

"and thats the truth ruth...."lovedaddy

"wanted to be a star till i seen i was the sun..." common

Look man, understand that not everybody on these boards is a twenty/thirtysomething music lover fully into his/her own with well-developed, air tight opinions on shit. Some of these young heads actually look up to him as a successful musician, unofficial music 'historian' and all round music lover.

Other people just share his opinions on music, and post because of it.

I honestly don't think ?uest is laughing over the computer, rubbing his hands together at how many okayacolytes he's just brainwashed into submission. While he's probably aware of his influence (how many of you bought Slum Village because of his review, fuck the @@@1/2 from The Source said?), is it brainwashing to know a lot about one subject and then share your opinion?

Or is it brainwashing when a group of people all believe something that you don't?

Man when you're sixteen you don't know jack. So why not learn from someone you respect? Hell I'd go crazy if I was a sixteen year old on these boards chatting about music with one of my favorite artists. If he says Welcome 2 Detroit is ill and some kid buys it and thinks it's ill, does that mean he's brainwashed? If you can't at least value the opinion of someone who probably knows more about music than you, who's opinion can you value?

Obviously, when you're interested enough in an artist, you're curious as to what music they dig, what music inspires them to make the music you like. So if Prince gives out props to Jimi Hendrix and Joni Mitchell, you shouldn't be called a dick rider for being interested in Jimi Hendrix and Joni Mitchell.

All of this nonsense about brainwashing and the even more eloquent "dick-riding" is very unnerving at times.

Please, let other people's opinions be other people's opinions.

(or maybe I'll just get another big "F U BigWorm" for taking time out to reply to another "pissed off guy speaks up" thread)

1Love,
BigPerm

LATER FOR YOU.

IN THE DECK:

Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Nick Drake - Pink Moon
Gregory Isaacs - Night Nurse
Bob Marley - Exodus
Miles Davis - Miles Smiles
Wilco - Summerteeth
Guided By Voices - Isolation Drills
Rufus Wainwright - Poses

Speaking for myself personally? I change my opinion, or at least contemplate changing my opinon of nearly every artist on OKP, or every artist that is talked about on OKP, because for the most part, people do a good job of making strong, convincing arguments one way or the other when they post. When someone says the Roots suck and gives me a convincing reason why, it makes me think of something that maybe I had never thought about before. Same thing when someone posts about how BT is the best MC ever, or how ?uest is the coolest guy they've ever met or whatever. I dont think its dickriding, I dont think anyone is taking a famous person's opinion as fact, I think OKP just has alot of smart cats on it, who are eloquent in expressing their opinions. Sometimes that causes disagreement, but y'all need to chill the fuck out on all this dickriding and "everyone follows
?uest like blind sheep" shit.

Bitching about how its the cool thing to like Jay Dee just 'cause ?uest says so? That isn't any better than accusing everyone of being dickriders and shit 'cause thats the cool thing to do around here.

There are some poseurs(sp?) on this site, and it ain't the one's coming up with their own posts or the ones who change their opinions because they read a convincing post by another OKP, its the ones who respond to everything with "follower", "dickrider" and ish like that.

I was not criticizing people who take another person's point into consideration and then formualte their own. I was addressing those that follow ?uestlove's simply because of his status and perceived authority. And you cannot tell me that there are not people on this board who will make the claims that he does and either not back them up with evidence or will provide the same examples as him. I made the statement in a crass way but things must be said like that sometimes to get dialogue started and obviously people have feelings on the subject. I am not attacking The Roots or ?uestlove's knowledge or anything like that, so I do not understand why people get so mad and defensive. If you know that you do not simply follow his opinions blindly then there is no reason to get upset nor respond to the post. I am commenting on those that do appear to follow him or use his opinions as buttresses for their argument, as if what he says should be used for someone else's argument.

i mean, does that affect your opinion? i mean, i can see it affecting the quality of discussion..but so is filling up an initial post with curses and extremes...basically masking what u really mean since u know immediately people are going to attack the semantics, and then u turn around and criticize them for not thinking outside the box..its a tried and true formula. if u feel someone's opinion isnt validated enough, ask for more detail and proof..it is a discussion board..if they cant...write them off as whatever you'd like them to be and ignore them on the next thread. i mean, are u ridding the world of okp dickriders? would u like to call them out? start a database of them? is this a public service announcements of sorts? well...the dead horse of this kind of post is so beaten, its mush now


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Dove
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Played out Lesson posts as chronicled by j3ph:

gorillaz?
SWIPES....ALL THE FUCKING SWIPES (can we just find a new word?)
where's digable?
stakes is high vs. 3 feet high
biggie g.o.a.t.?
was tupac really ever good?
jazz recommendations please.
tales of a crate digger
outkast to remix __________, hear it here!
why the lesson is better than any other board
prince is god
prince is how i imagine myself when i get done with this diet
best prince album
where can i find prince interviews
prince recommendations
prince's panties, i'm selling them on ebay
is prince gay?
40 reasons why prince is the sexiest human being alive
here's what's wrong with anticon
rza to remix ___________, hear it here!
ghostface is the best, here's why!
i'm tired of gay posts!
r kelly this
r kelly that
r kelly isn't worth a goddamn post
r kelly is priceless
what'd you find at the record store?
where do you shop?
online places to shop?
who's goin to the _________ show this ___day?
prince paul?
can someone recommend some nonhiphop listening?

Fuck You Bigworm, hahaha

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i agree with this Bigworw cat so i guess that makes me a "dickrider". hehe.

anyway, 1st things 1st:

dickriding can go both ways. as a young boy when i told someone to "get off my dick" that meant to also stop fucking with me and keep my name out of there mouth. some of y'all cats act like y'all want to be put in a steel cage match with this Ahmir cat.

hollering on cat about how he ain't God all the time just makes YOU a "dickrider". that is an ol' school definition that some of you young cats might not be up on. y'all call it playa hatin', but it IS dickrider. you 'member how Dres said if he dick was on your mind and shit...well, you get it.

2nd things follow:

i don't think that Jay Dee is the GOAT. i just thought i would throw that in there.

3rd things 'cause i got a few:

people can share similar opinions w/o jocking someone. republicans and democrats do it ALL the time. when was the last time you heard someone say that so and so was a Clinton dickrider.

4th things must come also:

the whole idea of of rambling about this Ahmir cat thinking he is God seems silly. the idea of trying to break on people who share opinions is kinda weak as well. it seems as though the poster is making an attempt to position themselves in that Godlike position and dethrone this Ahmir fellow. i guess it is best to ask "what the fuck makes YOUR opinion so valid?" in short, these are ALL opinions; mine, static (sp?), poeke (sp?) and Ahmir. so why even bother. you can disagree without (clearing throat) "dickriding".

go see somebody about your issues with the boards and people sharing views. it'll help you...

one.

"Quit fuckin' wit' me, man!" - Anonymous

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and right there....is exactly what i've been thinking....since i began reading this post

All this negativity is boring. Go ahead and hate, but you are only hurting yourself

so little time. Why do some people spend gigantic amounts of time hatin' on others? Where is your CD? Why haven't we heard of you? ?uestlove and Co. are and have been the "GOAT" in their field, people are just not catching on.......Organix....etc...is some groundbreaking stuff. If you are too stupid to read posts and take them as God's word, then that's your problem. I just saw Roots perform @ House of Blues in Chicago and once again, I got my money's worth and my spirits lifted. There is no other band in the universe right now that can take you to church, make you shake yo azz, and hold hands with stranges like the Legendary Roots Crew. You are a hater, plain and simple.

the fuck you people are talking about sometimes, yall be speaking in riddles , makes no sence.

...and probably follow. I agree wit what a lot of y'all are saying, but what you need to realize is that its pointless. Some people form their own opinions...others blindly follow mess and act like its theirs. What do you think the whole problem wit hiphop right now is? People put out stuff commercially, and the masses jus eat it up. People watch videos and start rockin clothes like the rappers got in the video...usin the same words...buyin the same jewelry...it happens all the time, and its not jus isolated to music. How you think they got suicidal cults and whatnot? All I'm sayin is that people think and say what they want...so why do you really care if people adopt someone elses opinions, its bound to happen. Quest says whats on his my mind, and madd people agree...it aint his fault. Only dumb people get "brainwashed"...let them be fools. Don't get all heated...you gonna bust an artery or something.

On the whole producer tangent. Jay Dee is nice...one of the illest right now...and he's been around for a looong time too. He's no Premier or anything...but they're different and dope in their own right.

And Go buy Cannibal Ox...its too nasty for words...and cuz I said so.

i bought the slum village cd because i thought it looked good
the title got me
i didn't know how popular they were til i came here like four or five monthes ago

and by god i'm not a sheep




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"...i'd rather die on my feet/than live on my knees..."- B.I.G.

"...proud people breed sad sorrows..."
-wuthering heights

word poem perhaps worth considering

as things be/come
let's destroy
then we can destroy
what we be/come
let's build
what we become
when we dream
-nikki giovanni

TFA is the shi(T)(i'm bumpin' right now)
Jay Dee is a dope producer,at first i didn't like both Slum and Welcome... but they both grew on me.I just think their near classic now(but those lyrics?????????).

are booty on both the Slum Village and the JayDee joint. Slum Village ruined "Thelonious" for me on Comm's album. Love JayDee's beats, but Slum Village as a whole does not exactly do them justice.

"H to the Izzo, V to the Izzay" Jay-Z

The fro he wears has telepathic powers I heard hair is an antenna) , he sends messages from ittime to time. You don't hear the voices ? You probably don't wear your hair natural, or you would have picked up the messages.




If they are not your friends, they are not your concern. :)

peoke7, will you PLEASE quit arguing for argument's sake?

you're playin' yourself.

maybe nobody else can see through you, but i can.

You don't even know me... so fuck you

>You don't even know me... so
>fuck you

Question: Is the above quote something you would say in a face-to-face conversation? I see a lot of profanity and aggressive language in your posts and I don't think much of it is necessary to making your point. Using language like the above isn't going to further any understanding...and if you're not trying to get people to understand your point, what's the purpose of communicating? Consider choosing your words more carefully.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

http://www.miscflux.com - the only band on earth I would take a bullet for. support them now or face an eternal damnation of Lil Romeos.

and if you'll take the time to notice...
I didn't start this post... nor am I the only person who feels this way... so could you stop being a bitch?

dude, i'm gonna sit you and this Ahmir fella down like Farrakhan and y'all gonna hafta work this out 'fo somebody get hurt. i'm calling a truce fo' rilla. you got a lot of anger towards this cat on the basis of differing opinions. hella crazy.

"Quit fuckin' wit' me, man!" - Anonymous

http://www.thesquareegg.com

http://www.mp3.com/thesquareegg

no anger, I just call them as I see them...
the only thing we have to go by are the actions... and his actions are mad offensive sometimes... all I'm saying is we buy the records, we support the shows, we follow these cats, if it weren't for people like us they wouldn't eat! Treat your fans like friends, not like they are beneath you...
don't wait until your heydey is over to be walking out in the crowd like "Whassup? Peoples?"
and if you are going to be a asshole, please be on point...
something these kids are not all the time...

>no anger, I just call them
>as I see them...
>the only thing we have to
>go by are the actions...
>and his actions are mad
>offensive sometimes...

examples?

i think you must be misreading quest's posts. whenever i see the guy arguing with someone who i would just ignore, i think "well, he's going out of his way to keep the dialogue going" often in situations where i'd just shrug my shoulders and walk away. after all, he isn't obligated to respond to any of these posts...and when he does so, generally he does so with diplomacy. Look up a few posts where you ask somebody "so will you stop being a bitch?". I don't have any recollection of Quest using language like that towards someone on the site. That right there is an action which I find offensive...I don't think Quest has ever said anything on that level. Many of his posts are archived...please post some evidence of this "offensive" behavior.

> all I'm saying
>is we buy the records,
>we support the shows, we
>follow these cats, if it
>weren't for people like us
>they wouldn't eat!

sure they would. they'd just have a different job.

> Treat your
>fans like friends, not like
>they are beneath you...
>don't wait until your heydey is
>over to be walking out
>in the crowd like "Whassup?
>Peoples?"

Quest is actually a pretty social guy with the fans, I understand. I know he hooked me up with a concert ticket once when the venue was sold out and that guy doesn't know me from Adam.

>and if you are going to
>be a asshole, please be
>on point...

I don't know, chief. Disagreeing with Quest is one thing, but are you basically trying to say that money isn't knowledgable about music? I would have to disagree. Most of his opinions are informed, even when I disagree with them.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

http://www.miscflux.com - the only band on earth I would take a bullet for. support them now or face an eternal damnation of Lil Romeos.

that's not what I'm saying... bottom line, he and I had a discussion and he got out of line... I don't mean to shatter everyone's perfect picture of the man, but he was wrong... I'm not questioning his music history background, but I shouldn't take offense when he questions mine on the heels of giving out wrong dates???(Pertains to arguments) and for the record, HE RESPONDED TO ME JUST NOW, I NEVER ASKED HIM TOO... so the argument this time started there... yeah I know he's diplomatic at times, and at times he can be a real dickhead just like anyone else... I won't give examples cause everyone else is talking about this more than I am... doesn't make sense how everyone else discusses this (haven't been on this post in weeks) yet in discussing it they will say "ah, there he goes again..."... please...

how you went toe-to-toe with ?uest on a Prince debate...c'mon now, did we really have to bring that up?

sorry if i came at you too harsh, i should have chose my words wisely...

fuck it, i hate ?uest anyway.

hate that foo'.

=P

HATE!

Thanks for the apology and likewise...
I have read your posts in the past and they seem like they come from a level headed individual, let's chalk that up to poor communication...
I brought that up because I have noticed how he takes the 'know it all' stance on everything. Now that he is getting called out he is trying to be a little more humble, which is all anyone ever wanted cause, his history isn't always on point (several examples of putting 'his theories' in on what 'actually' happened. Plus, instead of adding to the countless posts of hear-say, I decided only to speak and defend what I know to be true. That way, I can never be called a liar. For the record, I know you don't hate the brother for real, and neither do I, but these cats are trying to act like their this day and age's Miles Davis, Coltrane, and Prince, and believe me, they are anything but. One.

do me a favor for real.

seriously.

can you grab some posts where i made you feel like i was better than you?

you make it sound so out the blue like you were just walking along...singing a song and then....

BLAM!

i came and took your lunch money.

if i came hostile to you, perhaps you made me hostile. and drop that prince shit already. i had no idea you take this shit so godamn seriously. i ain't even think bout you like that. for real man. if someone asks an opinion of me i state what i believe. then i add some facts to backup why i came to the conclusion as to what i did. that's all.

perhaps i need to take more vaction days or something.

perhaps you need to think about the Quest Quest used to be heh?
and I will drop whatever whenever I want... since I didn't post the response to you, dun, why are you responding? It's not personal, at all... I didn't start this post so obviously I am not the only person who feels that way.... Dude

somehow it seems your responses are trying to provoke some sort of response from me.

but tis true.

it's whatever.

ignore capiche'?

capiche.

once again your ego gets the best of you...
your forgiven.

serious though peoke7, it just seems to me you were/are trying to get a rise out of ?uest. That's alls ahm sayin', 'lax on that.

didn't want to bring it up, but i wanted to conclude my part of this subject matter ('specially since you was agreein' with me on another thread).

i respect ?uest like i respect everyone else here on this board. i ain't never seen ?uest step out of line with someone unless it was provoked and/or deserved.

all right i'm done. (laughin' that qoolquest typed "dude"...you been hangin' in CA much? cause we all say it over here.)

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if it was me

i'd just keep woopin' that ass every day.

see'm comin' out the club...woop that ass.

see'm in drivin' in deadlock traffic, drag him out the car and ...woop that ass.

see'm eatin' on the patio of a restraunt, tip the waiter/waitress and ...woop that ass!

see'm at a phone booth, call 911 and... woop that ass.

deliver a special package at his work...suprise! woop that ass.

catch'm on the toilet pinchin' off one...woop that ass.

knock on his door, ask for Star, when he come to the door...woop that ass.

wait for him at his Granma's house and pop out the bed like the big bad wolf and...woop that ass.

think i'm playin'?

Moral of the story, don't eff with people you don't know or make light of some personal tragic ish.-Me in reference to what Dash needs to be doin' to Star

"we made it, ma! we got white girls!" LOL. "not just one, TWO!"-spirit (okplayer) in reference to Ja Rule's new video

peace... under normal circumstances I would have to agree... which is why I got so pissed when he came off at me... and for the record I really wasn't trying to get him to respond... I mean c'mon, hundreds, possibly thousands of posts are posted daily, and all the times Quest's name get mentioned he doesn't respond, even when they are direct legit questions... he chose to respond this time cause he knows exactly what I'm talking about whether he wants to admitt it or not... doesn't matter to me nor do I care (just like I told him)... I'm definitely not the Quest groupie or anyone for that matter... but no... I wasn't trying to get him to speak up... he has no problems doing that for self... One!

>perhaps you need to think about
>the Quest Quest used to
>be heh?
>and I will drop whatever whenever
>I want... since I didn't
>post the response to you,
>dun, why are you responding?

because you said his name. people respond when they're being talked about.

one other thing you should learn is that this is an open forum, anyone can respond to anyone.

> It's not personal, at
>all...

any time you bring up an old argument from another thread in a current thread, it is personal.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

http://www.miscflux.com - the only band on earth I would take a bullet for. support them now or face an eternal damnation of Lil Romeos.

dun, people talk about Quest all the time... all the time... 85% of the time he doesn't respond because they are not speaking to him, but about him, or even on behalf of him... I am no different, I was just explaining to someone what happened to me... you know... the post? I didn't even start this post, so I am obviously not the only one who feels this way... could we please let this thing go already... thanks...

Hey I like this kid, he got moxy. Keep hating son

5 D.V.S
http://melanism.com/dvs
"Fuck the law, keep dealing"
H to the izzo, V to the izza

http://members.blackplanet.com/ShinobiShaw/

"I'm the fire bearer
Holder of the sun
The Earth and the universe combined as one
An everlasting energy taking all forms
Blue skies on sunny days tell the storms
The one who tears down what you adorn
And curses the material things that you mourn
But look up in the sky 'cause I am the dawn
And the light that empowers your flesh as it yawns"
Mr Lif

my favorite word

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"u stupid mothabitch!"

"Um, Well it's because humans wanted to eat cows really. I mean you go to India they don't do that shit."--Evidence,DPs

"Who would have guess it possible that waiting is sustainable, a place with its own harvest or that in Time's fullness diamonds of patience couldn't be distinguished form the genuine in brilliance or hardness." --Kay Ryan

jeez that took a long time to read

and i've come to the conclusion that

if u admire someone and u express admiration
u r suckin their dick

if u r rude ignorant and unduly sensitive
u r a free thinker

well well

i guess i must be a homosexual
i have to tell my mum she'll be pissed off tho
and although i thought i was a free thinker
i can't be cos i have respect for other peoples opinions
and sometimes i even agree with what they say

i must go now and grow a fleece and practice my baa's

oh and i changed my mind about what i said about ?uests drumming on nikka costa not being that rocked out. i went away listened again (to the whole album this time not just my fav tracks) and i will readily admit i was wrong. the drumming on a couple of the tracks on nikkas joint is way more rocked out than badu's penitentiary philosophy it was the double peddle thing in that song that got me tho at least it sounded like a double pedal

by the way

anyone wanna start a pino palladino appreciation post
just a thought

now i suppose that must really make me a dick rider
i'm even trying to see if i can work with pino next time he's in the uk

not becos i think he's an amazing talent or anything
it couldn't be becos of that

it must be becos i'm a okayrider

(ya two bit twat)

i didn't know this post was still up!!! guess i need to stay outta gd so much.

1Love,
BigPerm

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