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11178, Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by guest, Mon Mar-19-01 06:35 AM
I saw it yesterday and I thought it was really good. Black Thought did a great job. The story line was predictable but interesting none the less. The Love Scene = hot, steamy, and done with class. The cinematography was hot too. Support if you haven't done so already.

Good Job!

go 'head...feel some type way!

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11179, Needs more violence!
Posted by Improv, Mon Mar-19-01 07:30 AM
The Roots are actors hahahaha
They need their own movie and Hub could be like ummm...hmmm...Jerome with the one-liners

Seriously, the film was cool, but I can't see this being released as a major major film. Can't put a finger on it, but I just can't see it (and not it's not because it was wack, cuz it wasn't...the ending seemed too nicely wrapped)

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11180, Straight to Video.
Posted by Phil, Mon Mar-19-01 07:31 AM
Blockbuster here I come.

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11181, Funny, but that's what I was thinking...
Posted by Improv, Mon Mar-19-01 07:38 AM
Like Marc said...they're not going to release it because it needed more violence hahahaha. S2V would be admitting defeat so fight da power!

I mean damn...HUB SPOKE! KAMAL SPOKE! Release the film on that alone (besides cameos by Naz and GoodRevDrJ hahaha)

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11182, IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE I CAN SEE IT AGAIN.
Posted by Justin_Maldonado_7, Mon Mar-19-01 10:21 AM
I saw the 2nd half yesterday, it was hot..although I missed an hour of it...IS THERE ANYWAY I CAN GET A HOLD OF THIS MOVIE ?
I WOULD LIKE TO CATCH THE FIRST HALF AGAIN !!!!!!!!!

11183, when does it come out?
Posted by loryn, Mon Mar-19-01 12:25 PM
and is it really going straight to video?

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11184, release info
Posted by zero, Mon Mar-19-01 02:46 PM
I'm too lazy to check now, but I think its being released sometime in May on DVD. Not sure about VHS, though.

-zeroš
11185, did i make the cut?
Posted by Sunn_Toucha, Mon Mar-19-01 03:18 PM
peace fam,

If any of you okayers out there who know what I look like or were at the movie shhot at the Rebar, can you tell me if you cats saw my white ass in the final cut..One of the token white cats in the scene. getting my drink on in the front with the fisherman cap.. holler.. I remeber at the screening I was at I made a few cuts. peace

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11186, yes you did.
Posted by qoolquest, Wed Mar-21-01 11:09 PM
so did naz doing a demented boogle. funny indeed.


the source mic ratings 1990-2001


@@@@@
-edutainment (funny in the annivrsery issue they left this out...but i have the ice cube issue when they first started rating albums)
-people's instintive travels and the paths of rhythm
-amerikkka's most wanted
-let the rhythm hit em
-all for one
-de la soul is dead
-illmatic
-life after death
-aquemini
-niggaz4life* (not reveiwed but in summer issue 92 they mentioned it as a 5mic classic)

@@@@1/2
-sex and violence
-buisiness as usual
-business never personal
-whut thee album
-breaking atoms
-death certifacate
-buhloone mindstate
-the chronic
-enter the 36 chambers
-southernplayerlisticadillacmusic
-life after death
-the infamous
-only built 4 cuban links
-illadelph halflife
-hell on earth
-bow down
-i am
-murder muzick
-life story
-classic limited edition vol 1
-guerilla warfare
-in my lifetime vol.3
-la rock familia
-ecleftic:two sides to a story
-moment of truth
-supreame clientel
-last of a dying breed
-the truth

the gag mics-
fear of a black planet-@@@1/2
da shinin-@@@
stankonia-@@@@
lootpack-@@1/2
ressurection-@@@1/2
the beatnuts-@@@1/2**
mos def and talib kweli are black star-@@@1/2
the love movement-@@@1/2
fantastic vol 2-@@@1/2

*-source never reviewed, but mentioned in summer issue that it was a 5 mic classic.

**-the only record to change a rating after printing. in the next issue they printed (in fine print that it was a @@@@ mic album)


11187, Shawn was really feeling yall
Posted by Improv, Thu Mar-22-01 08:10 PM
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11188, lol
Posted by NazDak, Sat Mar-24-01 08:02 PM
>so did naz doing a demented
>boogle. funny indeed.

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11189, RE: Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by keynote, Mon Mar-19-01 04:29 PM
(I posted this in the "Reviews" section, not realizing that all of the discussion was going on over *here*)

I was at the 9:30 screening of Brooklyn Babylon last night at BAM here in Brooklyn. I'll briefly list the pros and cons (and I'll try to keep it spoiler-free by speaking in generalities, but if I slip up, don't kill me):

PROS:

* Hub = scene stealer
* Dope music throughout--the score as well as the numbers from the band
* Black Thought's performance--Common won't be adding him to his "Exceptions to 'Brothers don't know how to act'" list anytime soon; but Trotter was a lot better than I expected.
* The decision to contrast Rastafarianism and Judaism was an interesting decision that prevented "BB" from being a "Jungle Fever" retread.
* Rahzel = dope narrator
* Random cameos from all your hip-hop favorites--there hasn't been a good ol' fashioned hip-hop cameo fest since "Who's Da Man?"

CONS:

* Most of the "learning" in the core relationship was one-sided: the Jewish girl learned about hip-hop, Jah, dreds, etc. In contrast, Trotter's character didnt' seem to be too curious or inquisitive about Sarah's culture and beliefs. The movie was more about correcting misconceptions about aspects of Black culture, and didn't really attempt to do the same for Jewish culture.
* The Jewish boyfriend character was cliche and wooden--he was a walking plot device designed to create friction.
* The brewing conflict between BT and his boy/agent was never resolved.
* Sometimes the flow of the movie was choppy: it's as if I was reading a book with a page or two missing every chapter or so. Sure, I can piece things together, but it disrupts things.


Overall, it was entertaining, if a little heavy-handed. I definitely recommend it to anyone who can get the chance to see it.

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11190, RE: Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by guest, Wed Mar-21-01 12:54 PM
At the movie's end (and if I spoil it for those who are reading this and haven't seen it - sorry), I didn't know if the two got married or something before they planted this seed for Israel...I don't know if that was to be implied...I wished the sex was implied, though...

Sara didn't look too thrilled while she was pushing that stroller...

But, all in all, it was aight...
11191, argh!!! spoilers!
Posted by Dove, Sat Mar-24-01 10:51 AM
that's why we put the word SPOILERS in the subject line so people won't read it if they haven't seen it yet.

ARGH!
11192, RE: argh!!! spoilers!
Posted by guest, Tue Mar-27-01 07:01 AM
>that's why we put the word
>SPOILERS in the subject line
>so people won't read it
>if they haven't seen it
>yet.
>
>ARGH!

I was unaware of this review etiquette...too late now.

11193, RE: Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by lambda, Wed Mar-21-01 01:14 PM
One thing I hear from Jewish people who have seen it is that all of the Jewish characters are incredibly stereotypical.
11194, I am confused..
Posted by clever79, Wed Mar-21-01 02:32 PM
Is out out yet? Is it in selected theaters? Is it going straight to video? Hit me back yall. If it is in the moives, where can I catch it in NYC? I don't care if its playing in Staten Island, I'll troop it! :D

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11195, Facts:
Posted by Improv, Wed Mar-21-01 02:42 PM
-Not out anywhere
-Was a showcase at the BAM last Sunday, may have been the first and only time to see it on the big screen
-Artisan won't release it cuz it needs more violence for the urban market
-so best bet...wait for the video unless folks make alot of noise to Artisan (and tell them no more Blair Witch Projects)

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11196, RE: Facts:
Posted by CTOWN_REPREZENTA, Wed Mar-21-01 03:09 PM
>-Not out anywhere
>-Was a showcase at the BAM
>last Sunday, may have been
>the first and only time
>to see it on the
>big screen
>-Artisan won't release it cuz it
>needs more violence for the
>urban market
>-so best bet...wait for the video
>unless folks make alot of
>noise to Artisan (and tell
>them no more Blair Witch
>Projects)
>
that's real fucked up how they think that us black folk (cause that's what they mean by "urban market") only can enjoy movies that have gratuitious (sp?) sex and violence. shit what about love jones? poetic justice?



11197, Those had "Star Power".
Posted by Mil, Thu Mar-22-01 08:46 PM
Which is the other side of that "and/or" equation needed to pull negroes in theaters. Higher Learning=good violence factor and Ice Cube and Busta Rhymes on the acting tip. Brooklyn Babylon=Not enough violence and Black WHO?!?! See what I mean?

Pullin yo card and yellin "Gin, muthafucka!!!",

mil.

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11198, one more showing in philly
Posted by qoolquest, Wed Mar-21-01 11:12 PM
stay tuned. i think first week of april.



the source mic ratings 1990-2001


@@@@@
-edutainment (funny in the annivrsery issue they left this out...but i have the ice cube issue when they first started rating albums)
-people's instintive travels and the paths of rhythm
-amerikkka's most wanted
-let the rhythm hit em
-all for one
-de la soul is dead
-illmatic
-life after death
-aquemini
-niggaz4life* (not reveiwed but in summer issue 92 they mentioned it as a 5mic classic)

@@@@1/2
-sex and violence
-buisiness as usual
-business never personal
-whut thee album
-breaking atoms
-death certifacate
-buhloone mindstate
-the chronic
-enter the 36 chambers
-southernplayerlisticadillacmusic
-life after death
-the infamous
-only built 4 cuban links
-illadelph halflife
-hell on earth
-bow down
-i am
-murder muzick
-life story
-classic limited edition vol 1
-guerilla warfare
-in my lifetime vol.3
-la rock familia
-ecleftic:two sides to a story
-moment of truth
-supreame clientel
-last of a dying breed
-the truth

the gag mics-
fear of a black planet-@@@1/2
da shinin-@@@
stankonia-@@@@
lootpack-@@1/2
ressurection-@@@1/2
the beatnuts-@@@1/2**
mos def and talib kweli are black star-@@@1/2
the love movement-@@@1/2
fantastic vol 2-@@@1/2

*-source never reviewed, but mentioned in summer issue that it was a 5 mic classic.

**-the only record to change a rating after printing. in the next issue they printed (in fine print that it was a @@@@ mic album)


11199, good look funky drummer....
Posted by Sunn_Toucha, Fri Mar-23-01 09:44 AM
I was hopin I would make it....Naz was cheezin in a lot of clips I saw in the first cut. Everybody better not sleep on this just cuz it went to video...Hub couldve passed himself off as Bernie Mack in that movie...FUNNY ASS ONE LINERS!


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11200, you thought dice is a comedian....
Posted by Sunn_Toucha, Sat Mar-24-01 09:48 AM
Hub was killin heads in that movie!

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" Claimin u got pull when the only pull you got is the wool over your eyes, gettin knowledge in jail like a blessin in disguise...." -Talib Kweli

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11201, RE: Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by DaFlashman, Sat Mar-24-01 11:39 AM
Is this going to be one of those movies that only plays
in "art" theaters? I hate that shit, because it always
means I never get to see it until it comes out on video.
Will it play in Omaha? Probably not. :P

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11202, Yo-Did I make the CUT ???...n/m
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11203, not sure...
Posted by guest, Sun Mar-25-01 07:03 PM
... but why the hell ai'nt I on that Killa Queens list buddy!!!

Cause when you say you love me, it doesn't matter.
I never take it serious bitch I laugh @ cha.
For the simple fact I aint know you were weak
The first day I met cha I smack ya ass cheeks
I mean... I aint sayin there's somethin' wrong wit that...
It's all good... gimme some dap!
I mean, I'm just coolin but yo
What you expect me to do for if u ain't signin' my checks or writin' my flows, or rockin my shows, buying my clothes or sumthin!
YO! again, when you say you love me
It don't matter
If aint trying to make my bank account phatter
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go 'head...feel some type way!

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11204, Score release?
Posted by Brandard, Sun Mar-25-01 05:33 PM
So what is up with the score of the film. From those who have sen it it sounds dope, but since this looks like a stragith to DVD(??) release i doubt its going to get an "official soundtrack" so can we go Black Lily live style and release it special edition through the website or something??

Come on ?uest you know you want to.........
11205, soundtrack.....
Posted by fatlip, Tue Mar-27-01 09:16 AM
Call MCA in Hollywood (310 865-4500) and ask for their PR people
and ask them what's up. Post their answers. i've done this a couple times under different names and such, trying to harass.....it's basically a dead issue.....

hopefully there will be a DVD feature that includes most of the score (ala Criterion's "Carnival of Souls" etc.)

if not, we definitley need a bootleg score.....



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I'm the blood of the womb,
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the darkside that the light cannot hide.
I'm the pages of history
read between the lines,
the living truth behind your symbols and signs.
I'm the son of a minister,
love of a teacher,
my mother taught me well, so I rebel.
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11206, but an official bootleg....
Posted by Brandard, Tue Mar-27-01 10:16 AM
do they make white label full length CD's?

Cant we get like a NOT AVAILABLE IN STORES kind of deal?

Oh wait moment of inspiration, new roots album do a limited edition run with the bonus disc being the Brooklyn to Babylon soundtrack.
11207, That's an idea... n/m
Posted by guest, Tue Mar-27-01 10:29 AM
Cause when you say you love me, it doesn't matter.
I never take it serious bitch I laugh @ cha.
For the simple fact I aint know you were weak
The first day I met cha I smack ya ass cheeks
I mean... I aint sayin there's somethin' wrong wit that...
It's all good... gimme some dap!
I mean, I'm just coolin but yo
What you expect me to do for if u ain't signin' my checks or writin' my flows, or rockin my shows, buying my clothes or sumthin!
YO! again, when you say you love me
It don't matter
If aint trying to make my bank account phatter
(c) SV - The Look Of Love Pt. 2

go 'head...feel some type way!

Goldenlotus
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11208, RE: That's an idea... n/m
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11209, NO SIR...
Posted by Ape Redwood, Tue Mar-27-01 07:34 AM
I didn't like it.

story line: super-duper predictable. another Romeo and Juliet rehash combined with the "trying to get on in the rap game" story. VEEEEEERY Contrived. Jewish characters were especially stereotypical. No interesting twists or turns. No character development.

The Roots: what was the point of having the Roots in the film as actors? Even ? himself poitned out that it was strange that they were performing at the West Indian Parade. Wouldnt it have been more effective to have a reggae band? That would have made a lot more sense in the cultural context of the film. It seemed like they were using them just for the name. Same with Rahzel. What was the point of having him narrate? It was very contrived. BUUUUUT...the soundtrack was dope as hell, definitely the best part of the movie.

ENDING: ugh! How many loose ends can you possibly leave!?!?!

Acting: decent but stereotypical. Black THought is defeinitely one of the better rapper/actors. that corny ass Jewish boyfriend
was horrible.

direction: pretty good, a bit confused at times, too choppy

ANyways I was crazy disappointed. Hate me now.
11210, RE: Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by nyc_rootsfan, Thu Aug-16-01 11:27 AM
i liked this film in some ways
trotter was great, strong screen presence..
rahzel was fresh as the narrator..
my main qualms come on 2 levels,

1 the relationship between these groups in nyc is strained to put it lightly, so although it seems like an appropriate conflict ot have the cliche wrong side of the tracks love story, its ultimately unbelievable because it would never happen.

2. with the shit thats going down in israel, it left a bad taste in my mouth, i know tariq is a voice for the oppressed, and by doing this film, that glamorizes or tones down the racial agenda of orthodox/zionists, i felt like he sort of dropped the ball..


11211, RE: Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by guest, Mon Jan-07-02 10:38 AM
get from the ground up!
i got it a year ago it kicks ass,the dvd isnt that hard to find...i want the soundtrack!

11212, RE: Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by SebastianW, Tue Feb-26-02 03:32 PM
I liked the movie. Not a GREAT movie but entertaining. One part got to me... The dinertable discussion where Sarah's mother says something to the extent of: "we should be getting along, both our ancestors were enslaved"

I dont see how that is a reason to not hate each other. None of the people alive in that movie were enslaved. (unless you count rascism/prejudice as enslavement, in that case you would have a point almost, except that more often than not, jews are treated like whites)

and even if they were so what. I want to get along with jews and blacks too.
11213, RE: Brooklyn Babylon
Posted by MindofFury, Thu Apr-25-02 06:48 AM
I was feelin' this movie, not because it was great, but it was entertaining, of course the music was hype... and damn, Karen Gobleman (who played Sarah) was blazin. Why can't all Jewish girls look like that?