>and even though i was part of the production team of "mama's >gun", i can count a few moments i could do without, not to >mention some cleanup work that coulda been done engineerwise.

cleanups or not, mamas gun i think is the better record in virtually all aspects. jags album should be compared to baduizm in my humble opinion, not mamas gun. its a great debut, maybe a little more streamlined than people expected but its more than solid.