http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alton-sterling-shooting-baton-rouge-police-sparks-outrage-protests-n604431


Police fatally shot a black father-of-five outside a convenience store in Louisiana in a chilling incident apparently captured on cellphone video.

Graphic footage circulating online which was filmed by a witness appears to show Alton Sterling, 37, being shot as he is pinned to the ground. It has sparked outrage and protests.

The Baton Rouge Police Department said uniformed officers responded to a call shortly early Tuesday about a black male in a red shirt who was selling CDs and had reportedly threatened the caller with a gun.

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"THE VIDEO FOOTAGE RELEASED TODAY OF THE SHOOTING OF ALTON STERLING ... WAS DEEPLY TROUBLING"
Officers "made contact" with Sterling in the parking lot of the Trip S Food Mart and an altercation ensued, police said in a statement.

"Sterling was shot during the altercation and died at the scene," the statement said.

Two officers have been placed on administration leave "per standard procedure," it added, saying the investigation was ongoing.

Sterling died from multiple gunshot wounds to the chest and back, according to East Baton Rouge Coroner Dr. William Clark. He would not immediately confirm reports that Sterling was shot seven times.

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The president of the NAACP, Cornell Brooks, called video of the incident hard to watch — but "far harder" to ignore.

"Get on the ground, get on the ground" is heard before two officers confront a man in a red T-shirt. One officer tackles the man, throwing him on the hood of the car and onto the ground. The second officer climbs on and helps hold him down.

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One officer appears to shout a warning: "He's got a gun! Gun!"

While the man is on the ground one officer pulls out his gun. He holds it the back of the man's head or neck, shouting is heard, and then two pops — as the camera quickly cuts away. At least two more pops are heard.

Background voices are heard saying "oh my God" and "They shot him?" and "They killed this boy."

"Oh my God," a woman's voice shrieks.

State Rep. Ted James called the shooting a "murder," saying in a statement it "has made me question what it really means to be land of the free and home of the brave."

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He demanded an independent investigation and scrutiny of the police department's body-camera policy. Local media reported that the officers' body cameras had fallen off.

Congressman Cedric Richmond cited "a number of unanswered questions" around the "tragedy" — including the level of force and response of officers after.

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"The video footage released today of the shooting of Alton Sterling ... was deeply troubling and has understandably evoked strong emotion and anger in our community," Richmond said in a statement. "I share in this anger and join the community in the pursuit of justice.

He called on the U.S. Department of Justice to conduct an investigation — and for protests to be conducted "with dignity."

Protesters gathered outside the convenience store overnight, chanting "black lives matter" and holding signs saying "Honk for justice" as car horns blared.

#AltonSterling was trending on Twitter amid the mounting outrage.

Martin Luther King's youngest daughter, Bernie King, was among those adding her voice.

"May his name and his brutal last breath shake up and transform systems," she wrote on Twitter.

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http://www.laopencarry.org/faq.shtml
"Open carry of firearms in Louisiana is permitted without a permit, as long as the user is of at least 17 years of age and legally able to possess a firearm under state and federal law. Louisiana has state preemption of firearms laws, except for local laws passed before July 15, 1985."

Has it been established that he actually had a gun yet?

And according to the store owner, who was also his friend and gave him permission to sell cd's outside his store, he never had the gun in his hand. It never left his pocket until he was dead.
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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"

Look at all those youtube videos of cops going ham on black people in open carry states while letting the white dude whistle around through Walmart with an AR-15.

That's the psychology that leads to this again and again.

This is the photo negative of the mentality with the gorilla last month. The idea there was "that's not just some wild animal, you don't have to shoot it!"

The black man as wild animal concept causes them to go straight to drawn guns with us, or chokeholds, or ignoring calls that you can't breathe, etc.

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/750497362544562176

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/750495901760778241

cause it damn sure isnt voting, protesting, blogging, etc...

Just think, with Hillary as President she'll be able to speak out on the terrible profiling of Black men and the use of excessive force. She'll be able to point out to the prejudice within this policing system that singles out Black men as some sort of predator of sorts. And if these cops get off?! You can BELIEVE she will be right there to talk about the gross miscarriage of justice, and making people accountable when they break the LAW, but how some people are able to skirt the law and avoid any punishment, where that same consideration wasn't given to Alton Sterling.

Oh wait, none of that is going to happen.....I dunno, maybe we're fucked. But whatever the answer is we need to start looking to ourselves. Aint nobody going to fix it for us.

this shit is happening on O's watch.

its disgusting. i dont expect him to play God and stop these shootings but i damn sure expected a fucking hammer to come dowm and let officers know that these shootings have real consequences.

Feds should be rounding these officers up

It is so disheartening and deflating. I was mostly pointing to the absurdity of the potential of going from a black man in office who hasn't moved to the extent that we'd like on this matter, to a woman who has helped directly feed into this narrative.

All is not lost though, but the people will definitely have to make and be the change.

where the incident took place, has a Black Democrat mayor.

Shit just ain't gonna change unless we make shit change. And not by waving signs and sending tweets either.

Just on the local level, which nobody does. Shit, I don't even do it.

But if you want to get prosecutors who will actually prosecute police crimes (not just make it a public show) and most importantly change city hall which implicitly allows this shitty behavior...its voting that will get it done.

we have a black President, a black AG, Baltimore has a black AG and a black prosecutor and we still can't get a conviction.

doesn't matter how many people we elect the jury will let the cop walk 99% of the time.

and even if we do get a conviction the judge will step in most times and give a slap on the wrist.


the system is rigged and you can't use a rigged system to get justice or change the culture.

There's not much you can do on a federal level for local municipalities. Sure the AG can get involved in high profile cases but how many corrupt police departments you have in the US?


>we have a black President, a black AG, Baltimore has a black
>AG and a black prosecutor and we still can't get a conviction.

Just because they are black doesn't mean they have our best interests at heart. The B-More and Brooklyn prosecutors are both black and both dropped the ball in different ways because they were more focused on their career as opposed to justice.

>and even if we do get a conviction the judge will step in most
>times and give a slap on the wrist.

Many judges are elected.

you elect someone and once they get in office they realize the boat is too large to turn around so they go with the flow.

voting sounds nice but it takes too long and once they get in we see far too many switch up.

>you elect someone and once they get in office they realize
>the boat is too large to turn around so they go with the flow.

Also, I fully admit (and would almost expect) the system to adjust to a black voting block with certain changes at the state or federal level if we actually organized in that path, lol.

But it would be nice to get some early wins before they start passing laws that dont let you vote in the hood, lol

and later it came out that her two brothers, grandfather, and bother her parents were all caught shaking down the residents in black Boston neighborhoods. She was hand-picked to do the usual song and dance.

there is no other solution

we = America

I'm only semi-joking too.

I'd be burning things right now. Start with a couple of cop cars... see where it leads.

we should be madder.

And according to witnesses, the gun was not seen by officers, and was never in Sterling's hands.

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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"

fuck anyone talking "good cops" bullshit too.

We've all seen episodes of cops where they tackle homie, give him a pat down, and pick up his gun with two fingers with a shit eating grin for the camera 'cause they know that's the a bonus round of additional charges. Diarming suspects is a part of the job.

Looking at the videotape you get the exact opposite...idiot cop #1 screams out GUN and they both freak out even though he's restrained.

So many fucked up things; apparently the cops came acting like assholes, gonna assume that they intentionally turned off their body cams, etc.

All they are gonna say is that the big scary black dude was reaching for his gun and they had no choice...move it to a jurisdiction where there's hella white people and BAM, slam reasonable doubt slam dunk. City pays the family a couple of mil, and we are back to where we always start again.

well, it shouldn't matter but in our case anytime you move or tense up it's viewed as resisting.

apparently someone called 911 saying he pulled a gun on them, the cops show up, order him to get on the ground, he refuses, they taze him, no effect, they wrestle him to the ground, he still won't give them his hands, its discovered he has a gun...

there was no need to shoot him

>there was no need to shoot him

even if he had a gun and they didn't know where his hands were?

Ain't shit funny about how he keeps finding ways to justify this shit.

several family members and friends that work in law enforcement, in the words of OKP, I "gotta hear both sides"

And the cops pulled the gun out of his pocket afterwards.
One of the cops might have seen the gun, but it doesn't seem like it was accessible to him

But that fact, by itself, matters very little

If it comes out he was aiming his gun at someone then I'll listen.

Unless he was displaying a clear threat of lethal force then he should AT WORST be sitting in a cell right now.

It's amazing the doublethink that has been ingrained in American minds on this shit.

Dude was executed in the middle of the street in broad daylight with no trial. For wriggling. Your brain's way too good at doing backflips if that adds up to you.

what do you expect to happen? Should they have waited until he pulled it out and pointed it at them?

If the shit is tucked away or holstered, a struggle is not a lethel force situation imo

>If the shit is tucked away or holstered, a struggle is not a
>lethel force situation imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGZnB41_e4


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

i'm glad he's ok

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGZnB41_e4

>what do you expect to happen? Should they have waited until
>he pulled it out and pointed it at them?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-pennsylvania-cop-killer-arrested-after-six-hour-manhunt-n471041

"Ray Shetler Jr., 31, of New Florence, shot St. Clair Township police Officer Lloyd Reed, 54, about midnight during a confrontation late Saturday in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania State Police said. He was pronounced dead of his wounds about midnight at Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center in Johnstown.

Police said Shetler, who was free on probation in connection with convictions for conspiracy and assault, evaded local, county and state officers for several hours before he was arrested without incident about 3:15 a.m. ET near the town of New Florence."

See that last paragraph??? That last sentence that says:

"...he was arrested without incident about 3:15 a.m. ET near the town of New Florence."

That's what I would expect. This white boy MURDERED a cop in cold blood and was taken peacefully.

The white boy that shot up the church is still alive.
The white boy that shot up the Batman flick is still alive.
The white boy known as "The Unabomber" is still alive.
The white boy that blew up the federal building in OKC was taken alive
the white boy that was the accomplice of the ^^^ that cat is still alive.

See a pattern here??? White boy kills people, including a cop, and they're taken alive.

>>what do you expect to happen? Should they have waited until
>>he pulled it out and pointed it at them?
>
>http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-pennsylvania-cop-killer-arrested-after-six-hour-manhunt-n471041
>
>"Ray Shetler Jr., 31, of New Florence, shot St. Clair Township
>police Officer Lloyd Reed, 54, about midnight during a
>confrontation late Saturday in Westmoreland County,
>Pennsylvania State Police said. He was pronounced dead of his
>wounds about midnight at Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center in
>Johnstown.
>
>Police said Shetler, who was free on probation in connection
>with convictions for conspiracy and assault, evaded local,
>county and state officers for several hours before he was
>arrested without incident about 3:15 a.m. ET near the town of
>New Florence."
>
>See that last paragraph??? That last sentence that says:
>
>"...he was arrested without incident about 3:15 a.m. ET near
>the town of New Florence."
>
>That's what I would expect. This white boy MURDERED a cop in
>cold blood and was taken peacefully.
>
>The white boy that shot up the church is still alive.
>The white boy that shot up the Batman flick is still alive.
>The white boy known as "The Unabomber" is still alive.
>The white boy that blew up the federal building in OKC was
>taken alive
>the white boy that was the accomplice of the ^^^ that cat is
>still alive.
>
>See a pattern here??? White boy kills people, including a cop,
>and they're taken alive.

I bet in every single one of those cases when the cops showed with their guns drawn and said "get the fuck on the ground!" that's exactly what they did. That's what "without incident" means, they didn't resist, they didn't try to fight, they cooperated fully once law enforcement had the drop on them and that's why they are all still alive.

The reality is some of same things that get black men killed by each other is the same thing that gets them killed by cops. Nobody wants to be a "punk" and back down and they have to live and die with those choices. Sometimes you have to pick your battles and take a small L to avoid a much bigger L but some people don't get that until it's too late.

The cemetery is full of people that had points to prove.

Be the Jew removing gold teeth from the ovens.

Be the slave whipping his brothers for Massa.

Absolutely you should be sensible around cops, as we all should, but the difference in results that the races get from armed police is absolutely astounding.

Your democracy wants to complain about humans rights abuses around the world - you need to look at this HARD first.

you trolling..

and its not cool.

Despite evidence to the contrary?

Your faith in so-called law enforcement
is irrational.

I replied to.

get killed by cops.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/8-white-people-who-pointed-guns-police-officers-and-managed-not-get-killed

and this list doesn't even appear to have the one event I was looking for.

a white boy can point a gun at cops and, one day, will walk out of prison a free and ALIVE man.

A Black man doesn't even have to have a gun on his person and his name'll be in sentences wit the word "remember".


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

with that knowledge better choices need to be made unless you just want to be a martyr for the cause.

he could still end up Like Lavar Jones who was lucky enough to get shot and live.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-south-carolina-trooper-pleads-guilty-after-shooting-unarmed-man-n538411

So you're only right on an irrational level i.e. inside reasoning within the rules of racism/white supremacy/the system. The truth is the odds of his situation turning violent were high regardless. Also assuming one or both of these cops are white 40% of white Americans believe black men to be prone to violence.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11R5KYi6ZdP8Z2/giphy.gif


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

He doesn't want to get it.

situations with so many variables.

Half the cops involved in the Freddie Gray case were black, what was the racist/white supremacist angle there?

Log off Fam, seriously. Turn off whatever you're watching

or listening to and decompress.

>Half the cops involved in the Freddie Gray case were black,
>what was the racist/white supremacist angle there?


For you to even ask this question suggests that not only do you

have no idea how far white supremacy is ingrained in society

but you have no idea how far white supremacy is ingrained

in your own psyche.

This is the age of information. Educate yourself and sin no more.

To you -- as they should be given your position. My point was Levar Jones complied 100% that is an absolute. Watch the video. So what would have prevented Anton from getting shot if he were to act the same as Jones?

Here's an inconvenient truth for you regarding black officers -- you don't have to be white to profit from, fall victim to, support, or enforce white supremacy.

He didn't appear to be actively resisting, but he also didn't appear to be cooperating either.

Why you people keep giving these spineless cowards a moral holiday is beyond me. The dead person isn't on trial here, the officer is. You know why? Because the dead person doesn't get to go to trial.

Resisting unlawful arrest is a right. And even if the arrest was legal, wriggling on the ground after being tackled with a knee in your back doesn't fit the bill. You talk about making good decisions knowing the climate, but knowing that two cops are going to try and kill me because they know they can get away with it and trying to get out of the situation immediately IS the right decision.

I swear man, some of y'all REALLY need to have some shit happen to you so you can learn something. At the very least use your phone for something else besides looking at naked women on Instagram.

I get the fear that the report out on dude was that he had a gun. Cool. I get that. But that fear of knowing when the gun is being used or is actual threat versus a person JUST HAVING A GUN is fucking key. It's a huge part why these pigs keep shooting people. I mean the other huge part of this equation is racism but if you are gonna use the excuse of fear of someone having a gun....how the fuck do you think WE, the citizens, feel when we see your trigger finger shook ass cops walking around patrolling.

Being a cop is standing in the middle of the battle. I get it. Its a fucking hard job. Its a fucking brave. I couldn't do it myself. So I don't. A lot of these fuckers getting jobs at police departments think they built for that life. They are not.

for killing his K-9 dog

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/06/when-a-k-9-died-its-handler-seemed-distraught-but-then-investigators-dug-up-his-back-yard/

comment section is HEATED!!!

The only times I've seen cops get in any trouble w/ dogs is when they leave the K9 in a hot squad car for hours while they are eating or whatever.

https://www.facebook.com/mingarychambers/posts/10157154921530013

so the camera turning away should be the expected outcome. The stores camera didn't turn away though and guess how confiscated that footage?

fuck you

for a second...

and there wasn't racism or fear motivating my actions. and i didn't take a man's life when it wasn't necessary. and i didn't take a daughter's father from her. i put myself in his shoes, and i remembered that i swore to serve and protect. i did both of those, and everyone went home that night. when i take those shoes off, i can look at myself in the mirror.

SHAME

SHAME

SHAME

SHAME

.

had they conserved their distance and/or approached him more calmly, this would very likely not have happened.

that said some of these reports are funny. i read one that said something like "police received a call that a man in a red shirt selling cds pointed a gun at someone. he happened to match 'part of the description' as he had on a red shirt and was selling cds." ... several paragraphs later "he was armed, but did not appear to have the gun drawn at the time." uhhhhhh, so he pretty much matched the entire description in terms of what he had on, what he was doing and that he did have a gun. just want to be clear there.

this is another reminder than police protocol, unchecked aggressiveness, double standards toward black (and brown) citizens and the whole obey-or-die concept need to go. yes. but at the same time let's recognize some facts here.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/06/new-video-shows-alton-sterling-was-not-holding-a-gun-when-baton-rogue-police-killed-him.html

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Since 1976

You're wrestling with a suspect and you feel a gun in his right pants pocket and you don't have control of his right hand what do you do? Wait for him to pull it out and shoot you or your partner?

When the camera pans away you also hear the officer yell "get on the ground!", was he trying to get up? And to do what? Should they have waited to see?

.

disgusting.

They're only on the ground in that
position due to very unnecessary
force to begin with... so if they
felt they had to kill him, it's their
fault from beginning to end.

Then we get to his arm on the ground.
Grab the damn arm, turn him over and
cuff him, at worst shoot him in the
arm you're so afraid of. No justification
for killing that man like that.

Bottom line is he killed that man because he wanted to.
Your continued effort to justify that
just makes you look mad stupid.

If they knew he was armed, why did they rush him? If they knew he had a gun, why did one shout out "HE HAS A GUN?" Wasn't the whole point of rushing him and taking away his hands to get the gun off him and arrest him? Bad procedure here, just poor planning/execution if nothing else.

Bad procedure
>here, just poor planning/execution if nothing else.

perfect choice of words...execution...

http://jezebel.com/hot-97s-peter-rosenberg-snaps-on-a-cop-who-called-in-ab-1783212972

The refusal of any officer in any position to say "that wasn't the best way to handle it" without trying to justify these killings with "you have to make split second decisions" or "it's a dangerous job" or whatever excuse is trotted out...this is the basis of the mistrust by the public of police in these situations. The "blue wall" has to go away sometimes...I understand having a unified front, but unified and wrong benefits no one. Rosenberg said it very well and succinctly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/how-dangerous-is-police-w_b_6373798.html

"Most policemen killed on the job die in accidents (mostly auto), not from firearm assault, according to the FBI.

According to FBI figures (which are slightly different than other tabulations), 14 of the 76 police deaths in 2013, nation-wide, were due to auto accidents —- when the officer wasn’t wearing a seatbelt. Tragic for sure.

Of the 76 cops who died in the line of duty in 2013, 18 of them were from gunfire. The rest were traffic fatalities or slips and falls."

You're more likely to die working in construction than being a cop.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

13.5 cops per 100,000 get killed. steel workers are at 25 per 100,000 and loggers are at 110 per 100,000. Construction Laborers are at 16.9 per 100,000. it is more dangerous to be a construction worker or a taxi driver than a cop.

cause you were looking real racist for a minute.

The FBI... The Federal Bureau of Investigations... aka THE END ALL BE ALL POLICE FORCE IN THE COUNTRY... stated that most cops that die in the line of duty die in TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, not by gunfire.

Being a cop doesn't even break the 10 most dangerous professions list. You're more likely to be killed being a goddamned professional fisherman than a cop.

THE ARTICLE LINKS AN FBI REPORT AND ONE FROM THE BLS!!!

Jesus fucking christ... Are you REALLY this goddamned STUPID???

Nigga the numbers are there, you could easily read the shit, Cops DON'T die like that in the line of duty and there's shitloads of evidence of this fact.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

performing their jobs?

Thanks.

I mean it's not like the construction worker is going to say I'm glad I wasn't shot as he is dying.


>performing their jobs?
>
>Thanks.

Admit he's right and keep it pushin lol.

I doubt he'll ever do anything on radio as meaningful as this.

at this point. niqqas have been pacified, neutered, tortured, psychologically
drained, brainwashed, co-mingled, segregated, et. al by this country/these people.
the agenda/goal to "wash out" the fight/struggle continues, it's fucking sad.

>at this point. niqqas have been pacified, neutered, tortured,
>psychologically
>drained, brainwashed, co-mingled, segregated, et. al by this
>country/these people.
> the agenda/goal to "wash out" the fight/struggle continues,
>it's fucking sad.
>

It appears the may be winning the "turn them illiterate" agenda...

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>
>It appears the may be winning the "turn them illiterate"
>agenda...
>

y'all make fun of people with disabilities
(that you don't know)? you sound like a
bitchy loser, have fun!

Maybe he meant himself.

all this time


make the boogieman real

keyboard?

Abdullah Muflahi, of Baton Rouge Louisiana's Triple S Food Mart, not only is he speaking out to the press -- debunking the immediate spin about Alton Sterling being at fault for his own death, but the video Muflahi shot is so stunning.

Notice how the officer exclaims "he has a gun", shoots him, but then commands Sterling to get on the ground--all while a chest wounded Sterling is bleeding out and being pinned on the ground by a probably 500lbs of cop?

Thank you Abdullah Muflahi for showing the world the truth.

Police arrive on the scene for a call involving a domestic dispute and a gun waiving suspect. Officers are on high alert as a gun has been indicated to be on the person of the suspect.

Police exit their car. See no visible gun but do see a suspect selling CD's outside of the corner store that matches the description. Hands are immediately placed on service weapon and prepared for brandishing and use.

Officer #1: Hello sir, I'm officer Officer Salamoni and this is my partner Officer Lake. And we received a call stating that a man fitting your description and selling CD's outside of this store brandished a firearm and threatened an unarmed civilian. What's your name sir?

Alton: My name is Alton officer. Alton Sterling. I've been here all day but I did not threaten anyone. My friend owns the store and gave me the OK to be here in front of his store.

Officer Salamoni: Well we are here to get to the bottom of things Alton so I have to ask you a few questions. Now this is very important because we were informed that there's a gun on the suspect so I need you to be very honest and to comply. Otherwise, this could very well be a life and death situation. Me and my partner want to go home to our families tonight and just as importantly, we want to make sure you are able to do so as well. Do you understand Alton?

Alton: I understand officer. I've done nothing wrong.

Officer Salamoni: Do you have a firearm on your person Alton?

Alton: Yes, officer, I have a firearm.

Officer Salamoni: Where is the firearm located on your person Alton?

Alton: It's in my right pocket officer.

Officer Salamoni: Ok, Alton, you aren't under arrest or anything but we are going to need to disarm you of that weapon. Do you understand?

Alton: I understand officer.

Officer Salamoni: I need you to place your hands behind your head and turn around.

*If Alton complies, Officer Lake disarms him while Officer Salamoni brandishes to cover him but Alton is unable to see this as he's faced in the opposite direction. Once the gun is off of Alton's person and Lake has patted him down for other weapons, Salamoni holsters his weapon and they talk to Alton about what happened. If he continues to deny any wrongdoing, take him into custody, garner a warrant to confiscate any surveillance video from the store and make your case.

*If Alton does not comply, they brandish their weapons and explain to him that his non-compliance makes him a threat as they've been informed the suspect has a gun. And that further non-compliance will result in increased use of force. Then call for back up. Instruct him to keep his hands visible and that if he makes any sudden moves, you'll be forced to shoot.

On some occasions, an officer may not have the time to get all of this in but from the video, I can see that this approach was plausible.

This man didn't have to die. And I have NO formal police training. This is just common sense.

Same with MN police shooting of Philando Castile.

1-Busted headlight was the reason for the stop but there's rumblings there wasn't a busted headlight? Maybe the light was out and they didn't know it? Interesting.

2-It's broad daylight, a family of 3 with a 4 year old in the back seat. Common sense says, there's a slim chance they'll try anything violent in front of the child.

3-Philando informed the officer he had a weapon and was licensed to do so. So again, if he was going to be a threat, why would he identify that he had a weapon.

4-At that point, you unholster you service weapon, aim it down and away from the car and explain to Philando that the threat of the weapon needs to be neutralized. Ask him to show his hands, then the officer should open the car door and ask him to step out. Philando should have then been required to put his hands behind his head and get on his knees facing away from the officer so that the officer could cuff him and search for weapons, given compliance. Might seem a bit much but as a solo officer on the scene, this reduces the fear of violence on both sides. Call for backup and then continue with the traffic stop.

Again, I don't have any police training but this just seems like common sense.

If I'm viewing these situations objectively, the Baton Rouge incident is manslaughter at worst, murder at best. Simply because of their approach to the situation (tackle, swearing/threats), the circumstantial evidence (no weapon in his hand, already pinned to the ground, no attempt to disarm Alton, just "HE'S GOT A GUN!" pop-pop-pop). Those guys should do limited jail time (mainly because this WAS in the line of duty, but their approach was suspect) and should never be police officers again in their lives.

Philando's killer should be sentenced to murder. Not manslaughter. He should see some serious/extended jail time and be considered a criminal going forward. He panicked out of fear and instead of using some cautionary common sense he murders a man in front of a 4 year old.

I'm sure my views on this might not jive with the legal system but yeah...my thoughts.

i'm sure it would be difficult to implement in some aspects, but cops working any particular beat should be required to have lived in that community for at least a year.

there's too many white, gung-ho meatheads (i know not ALL) who have a penchant for thrill seeking who may have had little to no contact with the people and communities they are required to police. all they've been told their whole lives is that these people are going toting thugs out to harm them. this fear and lack of understanding creates too many opportunities for these encounters to turn violent and deadly.

i don't know the logistics, but this should be where policing is headed. but i know it's not.

I'd LOVE reform, but it doesn't seem to be on the horizon when governing parties, juries, certain law enforcement clearly show that they don't regard some people's lives as having ANY value.... The fact that parties come in and make excuses for outrageous behavior time and time again is scary

There's no money to fight over this time.

if you don't see the sides and the issues at hand...cool

So any kind of "Civil War" is laughable.

Again...we're slowly marching toward a another civil war... Many factions hungry for a revolution and eager to fight literally for what they want changed in America..... But u keep thinking it HAS to b black vs white... I'm fairly sure the thought of the first Civil War was laughable until folks stated dying at high numbers on each side.....

the colonies/states barely got along from jump, it was inevitable as fuck.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

ESPECIALLY people of color and people of "authority... Believe what u need... People are getting more and more comfortable with violence as a means of solving our current issues.... I'm not saying their right, but it is something that is happening and can only escalate if another solution is not found.... It literally happens all across the world in places where people feel like they have no other options.....but again, believe whatever u like

if you think it was a shock to anyone that a civil war happened.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

" I'm fairly sure the thought of the first Civil War was laughable until folks stated dying at high numbers on each side"

sure

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.facebook.com/nakiajonesproductions/videos/10208712158314077/

Ill never forget what NYPD did to a white officer when he just talked about quotas, not even shit that could get them in real trouble.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft

but it takes one to stand up and not be afraid of repercussions to get it started.

https://www.facebook.com/WKYC.Channel3/videos/10154420944049274/

Toward the end of the interview, they
ask her when she'll be back on the
street, and she says she can't comment.

when the slaves get out of line

..family, friends, fellow officers, etc.

this isn't the 1st time she's spoken up about injustice and it won't be the last.

she's a strong, passionate, intelligent, outspoken woman that's chosen to have and hold a positive impact in her community and i applaud her for that. i've never been more proud of my family than i am today.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHj-m0Ch4EC/?taken-by=killermike&hl=en

If you trying to angle for a political career or a talk show, do you. But I trying to hear some, "It's happening to all of us see!" bullshit.

Save that for the Bill Maher show.

Successful movements bring in new people and strive to get bigger and have a more universal message. He isn't downplaying police violence against Black people or playing the Black on Black violence canard. He's trying to give white people more skin in the game.

thinking strategically.

he's downplaying the racial factor, but not to the extent that he's #alllivesmatter-ing

but i think he recognizes that people generally think in terms of self interest, and as long as most of he country sees police shootings as exclusively a black problem, there still won't be much movement on it. even for people who empathize, they don't think something like this could happen to them, or their children.

bringing whites into the fight helped alot

d

that wasn't widely reported

and while some of these "You don't hear about this on the news" memes can be really annoying, i don't think he was being dismissive of a racial factor, as much as he was trying to bring more people into the fold. mainly by pointing out that this isn't exclusively a black problem, but a problem for everyone.

i get what he getting at. i also get why people were rubbed wrong by it.

http://straightfromthea.com/2016/07/07/lynching-or-suicide-black-male-discovered-hanging-from-tree-at-atlantas-piedmont-park/

than any other ones.

I don't even know why.

But it's just so sad.

the 2 in Baton Rouge got facebook pages where they're holding guns with trump signs behind them..

and there is a crazy video out there that's supposed to be the Asian officer that killed the guy in Minnesota. Lots of racist language, and dude honestly comes across as a mentally disturbed person. If this is really the officer...this shit is going to hit the fan in a major way

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHjLQcmgxlI/?taken-by=thakiddjl
https://www.facebook.com/100009059642623/videos/1619383741706932/?pnref=story

in the video you can see another trump sign.

Missed it but I'll assume they are just scrubbing their pages completely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg6ETidhBHc


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I was so hoping they were not Black

That was murder.

2 years later. Not even a jury to decide.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/03/27/baton-rouge-police-officers-wont-be-charged-in-fatal-shooting-of-alton-sterling/


Prosecutors in Louisiana said Tuesday that the Baton Rouge police officers involved in the fatal shooting of Alton Sterling will not face criminal charges, a decision announced nearly two years after his death prompted intense protests.

Sterling was killed in July 2016 by officers responding to a call about a man who had threatened someone with a gun. The Baton Rouge officers then encountered Sterling, 37, selling CDs outside of a convenience store, and fatally shot him during an encounter that lasted less than 90 seconds.

“This decision was not taken lightly,” Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry said while announcing Tuesday morning that no charges would be brought.

Landry said the state could not proceed with a prosecution of either officer involved based on an extensive review of evidence gathered by federal authorities as well as his office’s own investigation.

The Justice Department last year decided against bringing federal charges against officers Blane Salamoni and Howie Lake, concluding that there was “insufficient” evidence to prove that they violated Sterling’s civil rights. Federal law sets a very high bar for civil rights charges against officers, requiring that authorities prove an officer’s intent at the time of the shooting.

After the Justice Department said in May 2017 it would not pursue charges, Landry said he would launch a state probe into the shooting. His office took over a state investigation into whether the officers would face criminal charges after Hillar C. Moore III, the prosecutor for East Baton Rouge, recused himself from the investigation because he had a prior relationship with Salamoni’s parents, both of whom worked with the Baton Rouge police.

The Justice Department’s decision not to pursue charges in the Sterling case marked the first time under Attorney General Jeff Sessions that the department declined to prosecute a police officer investigated for wrongdoing in a high-profile case. That decision drew frustration in Baton Rouge not only for the lack of charges, but also because the news was reported by The Washington Post before federal officials had informed Sterling’s family.

The Justice Department is also still weighing whether to bring charges in the of 43-year-old Eric Garner, who died after he was taken to the ground and put in an apparent chokehold by New York City police in 2014.

But while they declined to pursue charges in Sterling’s death, federal authorities provided Sterling’s family with new details about his death. After meeting with investigators, Chris Stewart, the lead attorney for the Sterling family, told reporters that evidence shows that at the beginning of the interaction with Sterling, Officer Salamoni put his gun to Sterling’s head, and said, “I’ll kill you, b—-.”

Video of the following 90 seconds shows officers telling Sterling to put his hands on the hood of a car. When he did not, a struggle ensued with Salamoni pulling out his gun and pointing it at Sterling’s head and later Lake shooting Sterling with a taser.

Salamoni tackled Sterling and, with Sterling on his back with both officers on top of him, one of the officers appears to yell “He’s got a gun!” Then shots rang out.

While fatal shootings by police have continued at about the same pace as previous years, according to The Washington Post’s database tracking these incidents, these incidents have drawn less national attention and largely faded from the national political debate.

Every time this happens.

requiring that authorities prove an officer’s intent at the time of the shooting.
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evidence shows that at the beginning of the interaction with Sterling, Officer Salamoni put his gun to Sterling’s head, and said, “I’ll kill you, b—-.”
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Alton Sterling murdered
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= no charges?

Fuck it, it's war then