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Topic subjectCaitlyn Jenner is DOING exactly what you said she isn't doing.
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208188, Caitlyn Jenner is DOING exactly what you said she isn't doing.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sat Jun-13-15 06:22 AM
Caitlyn Jenner is not saying I am a transwoman. She is saying I am a Woman. The fact is we know Caitlyn is a trans because we remember when she was Bruce. We know her history.

Are you saying that transwomen who identify as "Women" and don't explicitly describe themselves as "Transwomen" are lying??!?!


And let's admit another thing. If an interviewer or reporter was interviewing a transwoman, and asked her if she was a man or a woman. And kept repeatingly badgering her about whether she was truly a woman. We would all think that that reporter was a dickhead right?


Try again.


>But I just tried changing one of the variables of her
>situation.
>
>What if she actually declared that she was transrace. She
>hasn't. She is saying 'I am black'. But what if she said 'I
>was born to white parents but have always felt black on the
>inside'. If she explicitly stated that I think I'd find what
>she's doing less problematic. But notice...it would be less
>likely that she would get a scholarship for Howard...less
>likely that she'd have a high ranking position at the
>NAACP....less likely that she'd be a university prof in
>African studies.
>
>I think that's a really important distinction. If she did
>what Caitlyn did in her context.....she wouldn't lie. She
>wouldn't take a picture of her doctor'ed hair and say "Going
>natural for my birthday". The deception proves to me that she
>knows she will get something of value out of lying. Caitlyn
>Jenner is doing nothing of the sort. In short....we could
>conceivably condemn Rachel without closing the door on the
>existence of a transrace identity. A person who identified
>themselves as 'transrace' wouldn't receive the benefits that
>we think Rachel is after. (a more credible voice, victim-hood
>seeking, etc)
>
>So this kinda opens up some room to move here. When we change
>our perceptions of Caitlyn from being a man to a woman....we
>can do so while recognizing that Caitlyn has not had ALL the
>experiences of a woman. She has not experienced sexist
>barriers to success. She has not experienced fear of sexual
>assault the same way that a nontrans woman has. And we're ok
>with that. But with what Rachel's doing....she's not giving
>us the opportunity to make that distinction in our perception
>of her.
>
>


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