http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/30/donald-trump-talks-mexico-comments-bill-oreilly
He's saying what they wanna hear and they're eating it up. People are taking him seriously. Im not saying he's gonna get the nomination, but Sarah Palin was almost Vice Pres.

I seem to remember a similar coincidence before the last lot of primaries.

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The show is still scheduled with either Magic Johnson or George Lopez in place of Trump.

the presidential nomination...

I can't wait for the republican primary debates though - should be a bloodbath

>the presidential nomination...
>
>I can't wait for the republican primary debates though -
>should be a bloodbath
>

its really disgusting to think about

bachman, and cain all throw their hats back in the ring as well

.... or Christine O'Donnell.

>bachman, and cain all throw their hats back in the ring as
>well

nbc dropped him.

we have decided that his rhetoric is no longer acceptable.

Are you talking about name recognition?

Last polls I looked at from lastt year then this year said 55-75 percent said there was no way they could see themselves voting for him.

Macy's dropped him from their stores because of his statements on immigrants.
In response, he put the following statement:

https://instagram.com/p/4mS9POGhVe/

He's never serious about running and will drop, like he has in the past, when he's gotta announce his finances. It's was just easy advertisement for Trump name and in the past he could play with racist demagoguery and escape unscathed...a la the Atwater method of promotion

But considering how race has been a part of the 24 hour news cycle, on top of how much the Charlston killings were the top news story when he gave that speech, he fucked himself.

He was NEVER as rich as he's said and he's effectively used his name to raise capital when he was about to be wiped out. Now he's fucked up and dragged it in the mud, not sure what he's gonna do if when the times get lean, which has happened alot in his career.

It's not about Trump being rich....It's about his brand....

Trump is getting a big boost because the largely white, racist Republican base is fawning over him....But outside of that political bubble, Trump's empire has always been built on a very corporate structure with a little Hollywood mixed in....If your business relies heavily on YOU as a salesman, the one thing you DON'T want to do is call a large block of your potential customers rapists and drug smugglers...And then remain brazenly unapologetic....

Trump's issue is not whether or not he can remain a billionaire. It's how his image continues to take a brutal pounding as his various partners run over each other to cut ties with him...

In this business age your brand is all that matters....

as opposed to some generic ass developer corporation title. It's not like ye old country yokels are the ones staying in his hotels.

In the past he could do shit like call for Obama's immigration papers and still be seen at the red carpet taking pics with Diddy because, well 'murica. However in a this small period of time where even the 'beloved' Confederate flag is no bueno it was a really awful timing to call Mexicans racists, lol.

Corporations seeing his brand as toxic is a spiral....corporations pulling cancelling planned conferences in Trump buildings, etc. Rich people moving into another luxury high rise because the Trump brand doesn't have that prestige anymore (even tho they are racist as fuck themselves, lol).

Of course he's going to stay rich, but when they are forced to change the name of Trump towers into a generic ass "Lifestyles Corp" shell company name...for someone who's spent 40 years pushing his name and his ego...it would be a big fucking blow.

And ppl seem to have short memories.

So i don't know if his empire will collapse because of this.

I doubt he's making much of his fortune on the apprentice or Macy's ties or pageants. I think these are vanity projects.

But there's no way to know or speculate how much this will hurt him...

Think about the Donald Sterling ish. I mean, there were well documented racist offenses for years and he was getting awards from the damn NAACP until that tape dropped. We can't say if it'll have a lasting effect, but considering that Latinos, specifically ones of Mexican descent, are well on the road to being a MAJOR factor in this country, it's short-sighted as hell. I don't think anyone is saying he'll be broke, but he probably won't be able to capture the spotlight the way he has previously. There are ways to "evolve" your views in the public. This ish he's on is so blatantly racist, I don't see how that can happen.

Still flies all over the south. If he wants to go that way hell have his audience. Sterling is still doing business and is rich as fuck. Richer cause they hooker had to five a few nil back. The team was his vanity project.

neither does Ann Coulter. Again, nobody's saying he won't be able to get paid and still do business. However, the branded portions of his businesses (Apprentice, ties, etc) that are driven by his name/reputations are gonna be a hard sell. I'm not sure I can see that coming back on a mass scale. He's a rich white dude living in a country predicated on white supremacy. No one's under any delusions that he will be broke. Of course, there's a niche audience that loves it, but that audience seems to be shrinking, though. I don't see how he can capture America like he did with the Apprentice again.

Wasn't renewed. That's why he went in that media blitz.

>Wasn't renewed. That's why he went in that media blitz.


Yes...indeed....But it doesn't help Trump's overall business brand if he continues to go full on racist in this fast shifting climate that we are in RIGHT NOW....If u don't think the whole Confederate Flag sea change is not being viewed in the same way as Trumps anti-immigrant rants then u may want to look a bit closer....

where latinos, specifically those of Mexican descent, are on track to be the majority population, he'll be able to recover from that to take the spotlight? Again, no one is arguing that he will be broke. We know he'll be able to do business. We know that, monetarily speaking, his racism carries no consequences. What we're talking about is the portion of his portfolio based on his name. I can't see a lot of people returning to the Miss Universe competition en masse or him being able to get back on TV like that. We're now in an era, where the past doesn't die the way it used to.

A decade ago, Bill Cosby's issues blew over. Can you see that happening now? I honestly think the landscape is shifting to a point where a person's words/actions have lasting consequences in ways we've yet to conceive, because it is so unprecedented.

anytime soon.

disliking illegal mexican immigrants and considering them criminal unwelcome and dangerous is pretty mainstream amongst white folks. he's not anywhere near on the level of david duke.

>neither does Ann Coulter. Again, nobody's saying he won't be
>able to get paid and still do business. However, the branded
>portions of his businesses (Apprentice, ties, etc) that are
>driven by his name/reputations are gonna be a hard sell. I'm
>not sure I can see that coming back on a mass scale. He's a
>rich white dude living in a country predicated on white
>supremacy. No one's under any delusions that he will be broke.
>Of course, there's a niche audience that loves it, but that
>audience seems to be shrinking, though. I don't see how he can
>capture America like he did with the Apprentice again.


Basically.....And David Duke wasn't selling his own ties with his name on it...The two can't even be compared....

this dude donated a shit load of money to the Clintons and he is nothing more than a clown who says crazy shit in order to make Dems look good when they denounce his crazy rants.

ionno.. shit seems real calculated to me. Dude donated more to Dems. He is just playing politics.

I bet he has bean counters counting GOP heads vs Apprentice heads and went with the larger group

The internet is making it impossible for people to simply wash over their past. Everything comes back. Financially, he'll be fine, but his prominence in pop culture and his ability to capitalize on that is taking a real hit. A few years ago when he was on that birther ish, no one dropped him like they're doing now. The landscape is actually shifting.

and he gained a few points in pills due to his shifty statement.

Will he ever be on The Apprentice? no... but that show was dead already.

The Internet may never forget but it also has a shit load of info to distract you from a few lines of ignorance.

if he goes to rehab or some shit. America will forgive him.

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functioning one, at that.

he's a horrible person and that's the nicest thing i can say.


peace & blessings,

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focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

...like i said ya'll greatly underestimate how racist and stupid america is and how mainstream hate for "illegals" is for white america.

never mind

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/macy-s-terminates-contract-with-donald-trump-474543171972

& the good old boys flock to his banner like hes the second coming of Robert e lee & he overtly appeals to the xenophobic racist heartland & wins like South Carolina so people start thinking JUSSSSST maybe...and then wins the GOP nomination.

can you imagine? OH it will be awesome. id be dancing w/ joy. RILE EM UP, DON! get them crackers dancing in the streets, son!

HAHAAH it just gets better and better


De Blasio: We’re Reviewing Trump’s NYC Contracts over ‘Disgusting’ Comments

http://www.mediaite.com/online/de-blasio-were-reviewing-trumps-nyc-contracts-over-disgusting-comments/

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http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-hits-keep-coming-smoking-gun-reports-donald-trump-was-a-draft-dodger/

it showed his number was drafted in 1969 and he had a student deferment. Anyone going to college received a student deferment up until around 1971. His medical deferment was given to him after he went for his armed forces physical. It's not like he went to the doctors and made up some sickness that would disqualify him for service.

Im all for the Trump dog pile but lets not make up stuff to dog pile with. He gives us enough material.

he's alienating all these groups that help win elections, and many in his party are eating it up, no matter how uninformed it is.... I think the guy is an idiot that knows how to sell.... just cause they're eating it up now, doesn't mean they'd vote for him at crunch time, or even that anyone else would vote for duke

i don't think he'll really "run" either...

and it's growing.

http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/live-video/watch-live-donald-trump-immigration-speech-322484291648

WHO IS THIS BLACK GUY ON STAGE?

*Scust at this dude*

*EDIT*

This fucking coon is spouting this myth of black on black crime. I'M MAD AS FUCK. <--- *fumes coming off keyboard*

to shoot blood gang members....this is Jamiel..daddy never wanted to face the fact his son was involved in gangs..

http://www.streetgangs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/20080611-redragwear.jpg




daddy insists on going in on immigrants..hes trumps new buddy


its fkng disgusting to me

http://www.streetgangs.com/features/110912-pedro-espinoza-death-penalty#sthash.NLzLFQCp.dpbs

http://www.streetgangs.com/features/guess-who-this-is#sthash.6pBl05gr.dpbs

it would be the ultimate sign of the impending death of this iteration of the GOP - and this iteration of the GOP has done too much damage to this country that they must be obliterated from our politic.

Also, Bernie Sanders would beat Trump in a General Election, no question.

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Do you know that idiot is number 1 in some republican polls?! I pray to GOD, JESUS and at least 3 apostles that fool wins the Republican nomination. He would get obliterated in the General.

You would see EVERY F*CKIN MINORITY IN THE COUNTRY TURN OUT THE POLLS. We would have POLL PARTIES UP IN THAT M-F. Ribs and chicken, arroz con pollo and chimichangas. Free bus/car/uber rides to the polls. It would be bigger than Barack's first run.

NO ONE WANTS THAT PIECE OF SH*T as President, except ignorant white folks.

:/

says he admires Donald cause he tells the truth that no one else is willing to say....

Straight up clowns him
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/politics/donald-trump-gives-out-sen-lindsey-grahams-phone-number/2015/07/21/997ed558-2fd5-11e5-a879-213078d03dd3_video.html

Like that Joakin Phoenix thing?

If thats who they want I hope he wins the nomination.. shrug.. Chump is playing the cowboy right now, lets see how that shit pans out 6 months from now. If all he has is snark and shit talk when responding to anyone who criticizes him I dont see that strategy working in the long run.. Though its possible the conservative base is even more simple minded than I thought,, haha

He talked about making Mexico pay for the boarder wall.. rolleyes... yea ok..

bc they are imploding, lol

It is entertaining, 16 fools running under the GOP banner for Pres, pure comedy!! Trump the chump walking into the GOP party like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLBUd3r1y3I


HAHAHA

reminds me of Sarah Palin hype but she sskunded like an uneducated schmuck.

cant handle it.

They STAY disrespecting Obama and his family

But when it's one of their OWN getting disrespected? Trails of tears

fuck all that stumping through caucus states shit. too expensive and the benefits are way outweighed by the drawbacks and loss of time.

Stay in the (Free) media outlets by speaking directly to the base...make bombastic claims and then figure out the rest during the (also free) debates that they HAVE to include you in because your previous wild ass statements have made you a favorite.

Say what you want about him...he's not an idiot.

D

say crazy shit and let the cameras flock to you.

He's operating like getting the nomination is like hyping up the season premier of "The Apprentice." Except the season premier (the RNC convention) 361 days from now. Shit, the Iowa Caucus isn't until February 1. He's gotta keep with at least 15 other people banging him and each other with steel chairs for another 7 months before the first state even votes.

This is why Sarah Palin likely never threw in her hat last time around; she was only interested in a coronation, not the long, grueling primary process.

So Trump can grab all the headlines he wants right now, but this is protracted process that going to damage him and bore him in about equal amounts.

because i'm a glutton for right wing radio. she was talking about how she'd like to run for office again at some point but she doesn't want to have to do interviews she doesn't want to do lol.

if anything, it's smart of her not to run for any kind of office. she can continue the narrative that she was treated unfairly by the lame-stream-media. if she has to answer those super tough questions again, it will refresh the public on what a dunce she is. and now her looks aren't around to carry her.

>This is why Sarah Palin likely never threw in her hat last
>time around; she was only interested in a coronation, not the
>long, grueling primary process.

they can't wrangle him. he's got 'fuck you' money.

there's a reason you got some conspiracy theorists on the right who think he's a hillary plant. strategists know they can't win like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JFXSnfb5fw

https://youtu.be/RXSFRMJhlgY
You know someone is going to attack him for spending all that money on those phones.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/22/425324267/responding-to-trump-lindsey-graham-takes-his-frustrations-out-on-his-phone

And it don't stop. Lol
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/248910-exclusive-trump-threatens-third-party-run

there's always some wildcard nominee who is dominating at this stage. it's mostly due to the fact that only the most gung ho weirdos take part in the polls this early. Cain and Palin were leading the charge this time last election as well...we all know how that turned out.

How he's the refreshing alternative to politicians because he has no filter. Which might make more sense if he actually believed half the shit he says. He doesn't really believe most immigrants are rapists, he never actually believed Obama was born in kenya, he don't want it with Chapo Guzman lol. He doesn't have a secret plan for ISIS. He just says shit for attention, and everyone gives it to him, so he says more shit.

I mean, clowning his fellow republicans for sucking off the Koch brothers, and his "fuck a lobbyist" approach is fantastic but it's not like Trump's primary intention is to expose the ridiculousness of our media, and our political process. It's absolutely happening, and he'll probably come out of this saying it was his plan all along, but mostly, he's just playing his character.

That said, fuck if i'm looking away either.

went hard at him because she was on her period....Like this dude gives NO FUCKS....Now Conservatives (who are not brand new to such stay-in-the-kitchen-chick! thinking) are scrambling to distance themselves from Trumpy....Shit is hilarious....But on the real this may be the catalyst for Trump to go independent....We all know that's where this is headed when he raised his hand up at the debates.....



Dat Link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/08/07/trump-megyn-kelly-has-blood-coming-out-of-somewhere-else.html#

Daily Beast
Megyn Kelly Has ‘Blood Coming Out of Her Wherever’

Donald Trump on Friday night attacked Fox News host Megyn Kelly for menstruating. "She had blood coming out of her eyes. Or blood coming out of her whereever," Trump told CNN's Don Lemon about her questioning of him at Thursday night's debate. "You call women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals," she said. "Hours later, Trump retweeted a statement calling Kelly a "bimbo."

On CNN, he called Kelly a "lightweight" and unprofessional. Last month in an exchange with another female reporter, Trump belittled her. “Come on, try getting it out.” Trump told NBC News's Katy Tur. “Don’t be naïve. You’re a very naïve person.”

I def. want him to keep going......PLEASE GO INDEPENDENT....

Dude can't himself....Now he's lashing out at Red State for booting him from an event....Trump just went Trump....lol

I don't think he was making a period reference. I don't think hes quick enough to come up with that. Plus, he used the blood line about a dude about ten seconds later.

You see how devastated and sad the other republicans looked during the debate?!


Especially the moderators.



Trump is adding years to my life. Where do I donate?

say what you will but if elections were held THIS november (2015) Trump would beat Billary

All repubs would vote for him just because they hate Hillary
that's 47%
Then most dems would vote for her because they hate repubs
That's 40%

That 13% fray, Trump only has to secure 5% of

I don't think young, black, latinos can save Hillary like they did Obama.

Trump has obviously paid for some SUPREME focus groups because he is saying EXACTLY what conservatives want to hear (which is non-PC women degrading and race baiting talk) so they will support him

Many ppl are saying "not another clinton" and "not another bush" in office

>say what you will but if elections were held THIS november
>(2015) Trump would beat Billary


What?....lol

At least do some research before you post something like this^^^^

In every head to head poll Trump gets his ass kicked by H. Clinton.....U can look up the numbers yourself....

If anything Clinton needs to continue to pray to whatever god she believes in and hope that either A) Trump shockingly wins the GOP nomination or B) hope that Trump goes independent....Because that's the best chance she has to win it all if this email shit continues to grow....

Trust...if somehow Trump miraculously wins the GOP nod the Republican party is officially dead....

>What?....lol
>
>At least do some research before you post something like
>this^^^^
>
>In every head to head poll Trump gets his ass kicked by H.
>Clinton.....U can look up the numbers yourself....
>Trust...if somehow Trump miraculously wins the GOP nod the
>Republican party is officially dead....

If a Black man can win BACK-TO-BACK presidencies over old white guys even a CERTIFIED POW WAR HERO then anything can happen.
Hillary got bumped for the nomination 8 years ago because some unknown Black guy had the Big Joker

Obama won because he energized the BLACKS, gays and the youth to vote.
I don't see Hillary having that kind of pull.

Everyone thought the George Zimmeran case was open/shut.
Everyone laughed off his defense when they opened up with a "Knock Knock" joke.

You want it to be one way...

>If a Black man can win BACK-TO-BACK presidencies over old
>white guys even a CERTIFIED POW WAR HERO then anything can
>happen.

Obama beat that war hero because they put a joke of a Vice Presidential candidate (Palin) on the ticket....That's all too it...



>Hillary got bumped for the nomination 8 years ago because some
>unknown Black guy had the Big Joker

She got bumped because she 1) ran a poor campaign and thought she had it all sewn up and 2)She was going against history....

Well, this time, if Trump wins the Republican nod (which would be ridiculous), guess who would have history on their side? Female candidate, Hillary Clinton


>Obama won because he energized the BLACKS, gays and the youth
>to vote.

He also won because he had the good fortune (again) running against a ticket that had the biggest joke VP EVER in Palin...lol

And Obama beat Romney because Mr. Money Bags' made that 47 percent comment....

>I don't see Hillary having that kind of pull.


She wouldn't need to...not with Trump...

>Everyone thought the George Zimmeran case was open/shut.
>Everyone laughed off his defense when they opened up with a
>"Knock Knock" joke.

I just need you to read a few polls and then we can continue this discussion.

What Trump is doing right now is capturing the imagination of an angry REPUBLICAN BASE and some hardliners who are pissed that Obama and the Dems are beating their brains in in terms of setting a national agenda....

Trust...Trump vs. Hill? lol....Latinos alone would rush to vote for her because of the things Trump have said about Brown folks...She's winning by double digits easy....

What Hilliary REALLY needs to worry about is a combination of that Gov. from Ohio and Rubio/Jeb Bush....They could indeed beat Hilliary if that email thing continues to become a real problem....

But Trump in a national election? Nah....Right now he's getting crushed in all head to head matchups against Clinton...Just do a little research....

>You want it to be one way...


U smoking crack....I think I want it a hit though....Seems like some good shit....Peace....

>
>>If a Black man can win BACK-TO-BACK presidencies over old
>>white guys even a CERTIFIED POW WAR HERO then anything can
>>happen.
>
>Obama beat that war hero because they put a joke of a Vice
>Presidential candidate (Palin) on the ticket....


does anyone even know what Biden does today?
let alone did before he was on the POTUS ticket?

who is to say Hillary won't have a lame duck VP candidate?

I'm telling you Hillary's gmail account and this Benghazi stuff will kill her.

Dems are having a hard time right now.

It won't be a "walk in the park" like you're making it seem.

A VP is a reflection of the Presidential candidate....It's one thing to have a loose canon (Joe. Biden) or someone who is not that smart (Dan Quayle) on the ticket...It's quite another to have a VP that couldn't even name the last book they read in a powder puff interview...Or fumbles when asked about foreign policy issues....

Palin became a cautionary tale for the Republicans. Just because u put a woman on the ticket doesn't mean u r going to beat the black guy (or anyone else...) if they r not ready to show they can actually be President....

Once MCcain started saying he would suspend his bid for the White House because of the poor state of the economy, it was a wrap for dude....

She's not my friend neither,
I'm just saying the American electorate is finnicky

You're acting like Clinton-Trump is a slam dunk for Clinton

Just as in 2008 everyone thought Hillary was the SHOE-IN for Dem candidate, just 11 months before the election.
But what happened?

You want it to be one way...

Not hate...just a student of political history....Hell, if you don't believe me just do a search of the Republicans that were running Johnny Mac's campaign: Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace....Type their names and then Palin and see what comes up....It's more brutal than anything I typed in this exchange....

Real talk....

>Real talk....

Trump is calling debate mediators "bimbos" calling Mexicans "wetback criminals" just all kinds of outlandish shit
ON LIVE TV
and his ass aint gone yet
so, i'm sayin, be careful for what's in store
Herman Cain might have said something slick to a chick at a bar while he was full of that oil, his ass was IMMEDIATELY shown the door
Howard Dean got bounced for a Ric Flair moment

GOP got something up their sleeves

Trump is going IN on their establishment but he's still up there
They aint brought an Admin Asst out to say he "touched" her inappropriately

>Real talk....

Again...I just need u to do research, homie...because it seems like u r more interested in debating.....In swings states Clinton beats Trumps brains in...In purple states, the same....Overall, when u add up all the head-to-head polls Clinton beats Trump by double digits...

But H. Clinton is losing by 1 to 2 points RIGHT NOW against Walker, Bush, and Rubio in conservative states like Iowa and New Hampsire and swing states Colorado and Ohios....And that's because people are beginning to look at her sideways because of the email bullshit...

Trump is a God sent for Hillary. She better hope that he goes independent....

>
>
>Again...I just need u to do research, homie...because it seems
>like u r more interested in debating.....In swings states
>Clinton beats Trumps brains in...In purple states, the
>same....Overall, when u add up all the head-to-head polls
>Clinton beats Trump by double digits...
>
>But H. Clinton is losing by 1 to 2 points RIGHT NOW against
>Walker, Bush, and Rubio in conservative states like Iowa and
>New Hampsire and swing states Colorado and Ohios....And that's
>because people are beginning to look at her sideways because
>of the email bullshit...
>
>Trump is a God sent for Hillary. She better hope that he goes
>independent....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/14/democrats.poll/

POSTED: 11:33 a.m. EDT, March 19, 2007

Hillary Clinton has a lead of about 15 percent, followed by Sen. Barack Obama in second place and former Vice President Al Gore and John Edwards tied for third.

A recent CBS News/New York Times poll showed the public expects a Democratic candidate to win in 2008 by a more than 2-to-1 ratio. Democrats are overwhelmingly confident of victory, with 78 percent predicting their party will win.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/22/AR2007072201135.html

Monday, July 23, 2007

Overall, 45 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents support Clinton to be the party's nominee, with Obama second at 30 percent.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/103351/clinton-maintains-large-lead-over-obama-nationally.aspx

December 18, 2007

The Dec. 14-16, 2007, poll shows that Clinton continues to have a large lead over her competitors, with 45% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents saying they support her for the nomination. Twenty-seven percent of Democrats support Obama and 15% support Edwards. Sen. Joe Biden (3%), Gov. Bill Richardson (2%), and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (2%) are well behind in what has pretty much been a three-person race the entire campaign.

I think not
He seems too creepy
He also has a fluff piece as military record
No way these folks will vote for him

dude was hilarous at the debate. all gloomy gus and shit. but being single and childless is like 20th down this list of why no one would vote for Lindsay Graham. No one besides John McCain likes that guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=saC13RJ8CUs

No one even had Obama winning the Dem nomination until into 2008.
We have 15 months to go

Trump is dirty and doesn't care.
He is going to pay for as much dirt as he can find on Clintons and USE IT!

>No one even had Obama winning the Dem nomination until into
>2008.
>We have 15 months to go
>
>Trump is dirty and doesn't care.
>He is going to pay for as much dirt as he can find on Clintons
>and USE IT!


lol....

Lol

It is truly embarrassing for our country that he has enough support to be a serious candidate

Scott Pelley spent the whole interview rubbing his temple lol

Even when he is kind of specific he is vague as hell.
His whole platform is "When I am president, we are going to be the best at...." Pelley comes back with a "How are you going to do that?"
And Trump responds with some cockamamie scheme.

He is going to bring jobs back to the US by starting trade war with Mexico, Japan, China, etc.
Once the trade war is a success he will lower taxes for everyone.

His strategy for the middle east is to stop fighting ISIS for a little while. Let ISIS fight Assad in Syria and then once they're done, swoop in and take care of ISIS.

He is not opposed to a preemptive strike on North Korea. But before resorting to that, he will force China to keep them under control (how he can do that, I'm not sure).

http://i59.tinypic.com/1z309xs.jpg

then Mr Garrison went in

>then Mr Garrison went in

LOL. Literally.

I know South Park has done a lot of fucked-up death scenes, but that one was up there. Got it worse than anyone not named Chef or Scott Tenorman's parents.

i like that you never quite know what direction the south park guys are going to go. they shit on liberals, they shit on conservatives. Canadian dad broke it down tho:


"There were several candidates during the Canadian elections. One of them was this brash asshole who just spoke his mind. He didn’t really offer any solutions, he just said outrageous things. We thought it was funny.

His wife sobs, hugging her young son.

He continues:

Nobody ever thought he’d be president! It was a joke! We just let the joke go on for too long. He kept gaining momentum, and by the time we were all ready to say, “Okay, let’s get serious now, who should really be president?” he was already being sworn into office. We weren’t paying attention! We weren’t paying attention!"

That was just strange.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/11/30/donald-trump-black-pastors-amazing-meeting.cnn

Yes. It was very strange. And I can't believe that Donald Trump had these people up there fighting with each other over his simpleton ass. Those two preacher saying that they would support him , what the fuck is this man done to garner any support other than to be a blithering idiot smh

a lot of these preachers are just in it for the money.

etc

Don't fall for the banana in the tailpipe, y'all....

With Trump there is always a bait a switch...The three "ministers" that were standing next to Trump after their meeting r sketchy at best...

Darrell Scott, AKA Captain Collar, is Trump's token boy--it was Scott who tried to gather all the black pastors together (he's on Trump's team).Scott got put on blast by prominent black pastors for that flyer fiasco (Trump's people tried to make it seem like he had their endorsements.....lol)

Scott is one of only two pastors who have publicly supported Trump. The other pastor that was standing with dude with the press is Omarosa, that chick from Trump's Apprentice show...She just became a minister and has NO pull....

The third guy in the shot isn't even a minister at all. He's a black Republican...U can connect the dots from there....

This shit was a farce...

He gets caught in a lie about thousands of american muslims celebrating 9/11. He has no way to prove this, so he mocks a disabled reporter attached to the story instead, everyone bites and the focus now becomes, that Trump mocks a disabled guy. Something you can *just about* prove, but minor compared to his original lie that everyone stopped talking about.

Trump drops a fake racist statistic about blacks killing whites that traces back to a neo-nazi. When when called on it, he drops a fake announcement about 100 black pastors endorsing him, which just turns out to be meeting with a bunch of pastors. now the focus isn't even that the whole "endorsement" part of it was bullshit. It becomes about how the number wasnt 100 or how some of them said nice things about him, so everyone will now try to dig up dirt on these black pastors. Again, original lie, no longer the story.

The whole thing is fascinating to watch. And depressing. Everytme you think you got him, he just pulls out his laserpointer, and the media chases it.

it's like dude's figured out the exact formula of how to exploit people's anger, and attention span on both sides

'minister'. please.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-us_5665f75de4b072e9d1c7252b


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

he's either playing stupid or is dangerously ignorant of the reasons.


---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

this always gets me

the 'why do they hate us' line

for real

you can't think of any reason(s) why Iraqis --> Libyans --> Syrians hate us

can't think of a reason ehh...?

But yeah, I can't believe this fuckwit has been given a platform like this and that there are actually people out there who think he should be the President of the United States. The PRESIDENT.

I mean, I guess I can, but I don't want to. It's fucking embarassing and scary.

and people are falling for the trap.
.
.
.

.

"Trump. That's like, you're treating an appendectomy, would it make it better or worse if you just threw a cat on it?"

i know we're all having fun watching trump's troll america tour, but headlines around the world are now: "leading candidate for united states president calls for nationwide ban on muslims." to say that that's not ideal is an understatement. the GOP is taking the problem of anti-american rhetoric/recruiting abroad and just throwing cats on it.

for americans.

the problem is the fear of muslims.

and he's saying all the right things to address it.

an appendectomy is a problem.

i mean you can die of that shit, most of us have almost no chance of death by muslim.

so no his strategy is sound for addressing the REAL muslim problem...

western fear of muslim.

He's just seeing how far he can push this shit before he drops out... or is forced out of the race.

don't believe for a minute he is serious

he CAN win if he can get his people registered.

that is basically what obama did.

he went out and got people who weren't registered registered and then got them to turn out to the polls.

he also can write a check for whatever he needs, whenever he needs it.

and the second time around voters stayed home.

Obama had a shit load of cash on hand too...

ain't no way Trump uses his own money.

strategically targetting who they needed to turn out to the polls, getting them registered and calling these people day of to make sure they showed up. it's been extensively covered and studied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-obama-campaign-won-the-race-for-voter-data/2013/07/28/ad32c7b4-ee4e-11e2-a1f9-ea873b7e0424_story.html

mccain would have lost with paul ryan, just like romney did. you don't need to just get out the normal voters, you need to actually energize a new base and tap into that 50% that's not voting to win post 2000+.

a candidate like romney could not. a trump could.

but it was old ass McCain and an idiot from Alaska who could see rusia from her house.

and Romney is a Mormon who had Romneycare in Massachusetts.

Obama needed all those computer geeks because he was the first black man with a legit shot.


no way in hell Trump wins against Hillary.

Pretty sure he likes his life the way it is. Being president is pretty much a terrible job.

is his DREAM JOB.

He would be subject to nightly excoriation from all sides.
The folks who voted him in would be devastated by most of his policies. Fox News will tell them to revolt.
He would be in immediate danger of being impeached.
He would be completely unable to move congress or the courts, because they will all hate him.
His real estate ventures would certainly take a hit, and he likely wouldn't be able to do much about it.

Running for president is fun, and for Donald, cheap fun. It'll pay off in his private efforts.

Actually BEING president means there are about a million ways to fuck yourself and the country up every day. Accidentally leak the wrong information? Accidentally intimidate a judge? Accidentally forget to disclose some income? We can be talking censure and/or impeachment. I think Donald knows all this. He's not built for 3am in the situation room 3 nights a week. Dude needs his beauty sleep.

And a workaholic. See interview with his kids. He calls them up Saturday 5am and makes them feel bad about not working. He has no need for more money. He's going for legacy and fame and totally has the stamina to do this. He's got 3 -4 35yo kids overseeing his business and a bunch of employees. It's not going anywhere and even if it did, hes good. He's got more money then he could ever spend.

they all know most everyone will say if I can't vote for Sanders or Trump, I guess I will vote for Clinton or Bush because they have a (D) or (R)

forgetting that Clinton is a war mongering corporate shill

forgetting that Bush is a big government RINO

the money will win in the end, those two don't have it stay in the race

I'm convinced that Trump's people studied Rob Ford's takeover of Toronto. This shit is real. Perhaps I've been tramautized....but I'm seeing so many similarities that I just don't think people are taking him seriously enough.

the players involved are different. the voters are different.

not a worthwhile comparison.

More LGBT representation.....more progressives representation.....more races represented demographically. Way left to the US as a whole. If anything.....you'd think Trump would have MORE of a chance than Ford had in Toronto.

But it happened. Cause they found a formula that works. And Trump is using it.

but the highest office? nah...

I could see Trump winning Mayor of Vegas or some Shit.... but we are talking President. Dude doesn't even have the GOP establishment in his corner.

it could happen.

dude is just showing how crazy the extreme right of the GOP is so the Dems can cake walk.

That man isn't winning, it will never happen.

and ruin his business and there was no way he could make a serious run for it.

i said you underestimate how acceptable and mainstream it is to hate mexicans and other minorities.

unless you say I HATE BLACK PEOPLE or you say the word NIGGER you're NOT racist by more than 50% of american's standards.

so none of that stuff is a negative.

and he has a ton of postives, not being a washington insider and being seen as strong and as the only candidate who will keep people safe.

let's just revisit this in 6 months.

>let's just revisit this in 6 months.


Trump will be OK in 6 months....And 6 months after that....

Because Trump is preaching to the Right Wing base pissed that their party has been selling wolf tickets...They r simply calling their bluff....

So dude can def. gather enough backing and pick up that GOP presidential nomination...And when that happens, you better believe the Repubs are going to push for an independent candidate....

And on the real, Trump's "brand" was never that serious...Dude is a celebrity...His brand is being outrageous....So this run was never going to hurt someone who has said and done some pretty despicable shit even before running for President (Trump is the unofficial leader of the Birther movement)....

His brand was never going to be ruined by his antics...

What Trump is ruining is the Republican Party....And they deserve everything they get....

b/c...there's a convention. where delegates are going to have to cast votes.

but before we get to a convention citizens will have to cast votes in primaries and caucauses nationwide.

i'm not sure the votes cast by delegates at the convention MUST BE tied to the votes cast by citizens. i expect that if such a rule exists the GOP leadership will have fixed that by the time those delegates vote at the convention.

i don't see Trump coming out of the convention w/the nomination in large part b/c the GOP would fear that Trump won't be able to swing back and pick up the moderates while the presumptive Democrat nominee, Hillary, will have a thoroughly easy time picking up the moderate/fence-sitters w/Trump as the GOP nominee.

i don't see it.

>i don't see Trump coming out of the convention w/the
>nomination in large part b/c the GOP would fear that Trump
>won't be able to swing back and pick up the moderates while
>the presumptive Democrat nominee, Hillary, will have a
>thoroughly easy time picking up the moderate/fence-sitters
>w/Trump as the GOP nominee.
>
>i don't see it.


For the most part u r right....But either way Repugs r fucked with Trump making the most noise...

If they attempt to stop Trump from getting the nod, he's going to go independent and basically hand the Office over to Hill Dawg...

They fucked either way....

I don’t mean that in an argumentative sense.

I think it would mean that we dodged a bullet more than it would mean anyone really “knew” he couldn’t or wouldn’t win.

The people who are championing this lunatic are buying into him the same way they buy into memes as deeply profound philosophical statements and for the same reasons.

I can’t recall any candidate who has appealed more strongly to low common denominators.

You know what the number one and two things I hear people say about why they’ll vote for him?

1. HE SAYS WHAT’S ON HIS MIND.

2. HE’S A BILLIONAIRE WHO KNOWS HOW TO RUN AN ECONOMY.

Between that and the “America is the greatest country/we don’t win anything anymore/MEXICANS, ARABS, AND MUSLIMS, OH NO! /Brown People Are Coming!” rhetoric, he’s got what appears to be legions of lemmings at his beck and call.

Maybe he doesn’t have enough juice to win but he’s been an absolute freight train thus far in a way that has mystified even the GOP and nobody among their projected superstars looks like they’re capable of taking him down either. Maybe Rubio has some steam but after that? Shit Jeb now looks like the dunce brother in a family that includes Dubbyuh.

Also, I don’t think for a second he’s pulling some ropeadope double agent shit for the Dems.

We should all take him very seriously and breathe a sigh of relief if/when he loses at some point.

Those two things you listed is EXACTLY how Rob Ford won the election in progressive, multicultural, gay-friendly Toronto:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/donald-trump-and-rob-ford-are-these-two-loudmouth-politicians-cut-from-the-same-cloth?__lsa=c212-b58e

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/why-is-donald-trump-so-popular-look-no-further-than-rob-ford/article26482893/

Even if they turn out to be "right" in the end.

When he got through that unscathed....I realized he can basically do anything. He can't lose.

Rob Ford was racist, homophobic, smoked crack, was an alcoholic that walked around the city going off on drunken, racist rants....he was friends with gang-bangers....was involved in making threats to gang-bangers....gang-bangers were MURDERED in connection to his relationship with them......he was the focus of a police sting operation.....was caught lying (beyond any doubt) about every single one of those things.....

AND WAS STILL GONNA GET RE-ELECTED if he didn't get cancer.

When you play your cards like Trump and Ford...you literally can get away with anything. That's where Trump is right now. There is NOTHING he can do wrong. The smallest scandal/quote by any of his opponents will destroy them while he is basically untouchable. I've seen this play out....Hillary won't be able to make a mistake. Trump's mistakes won't hurt him any. How can anyone beat him under those conditions?

jus not enough.....then you have women, immigrants, gays.....he cant win....not happening

It still happened. That's what made it so shocking.

We had a man who used racial slurs like "paki" and 'nigger' and 'wop' and who told a woman (in public) to 'go back to your home country and get raped'. He was openly homophobic in the most gay city in the country. He was sexist against women.

He was elected mayor in the most multicultural city in North America.

He did it by getting bolder and bolder and never apologizing. Sound familiar?

People been saying 'Trump will eventually cross a line that will eliminate him'. Exactly what we said about Ford. His scandals and controversial statements only HELPED him. And that's what's happening with Trump.

Not to mention....Ford and Trump are good friends. And Rob Ford's campaign manager has been contracted as an advisor to Trump. I'm telling you....this is all an orchestration and he's using Ford's campaign as a model.

than in toronto nephew...and they aint fuggin with trump

White people make up 50% of Toronto. They make up 63% of the US. If you count white hispanics....they make up 77% of the population.

There are more racial minorities here than in the US as whole. And it's not close.

But we're getting off-track. Google 'Rob Ford Donald Trump'. Trump is basing his campaign on Rob Ford.

>White people make up 50% of Toronto. They make up 63% of the
>US. If you count white hispanics....they make up 77% of the
>population.
>
>There are more racial minorities here than in the US as whole.
> And it's not close.
>
>But we're getting off-track. Google 'Rob Ford Donald Trump'.
>Trump is basing his campaign on Rob Ford.


Trump could def. get the Repub nod.

But like I said in a previous post, the reason why Trump can't win IT ALL ranges from...

1. The Republican party, which is freaking the fuck out, will def. try to shoot Trump down the closer he gets to the nod....When that happens, Trump will go independent and basically hand the Presidency over to the Democrats...

2. Or...Trump gets close to the nod and forces panicking ass Repubs to push for an independent candidate...This will also hand the Presidency over to Democrats....

3. Or...Trump wins the nomination and gets beat down in the general election. I hear your point about Toronto....But America is a lot more straight-no-chaser when it comes to its Presidential general elections....Someone saying racist, crazy shit can def. win a congressional House seat in America...No doubt about it....But the way our E.C. voting system is set up it basically protects against someone like Trump becoming President....

Trump is being backed by angry whites who r mad that the Republican Party has used and abused their support....That's enough to get the nod....

But that's about it....

https://youtu.be/fk4lsTmTdTI?t=24

https://youtu.be/FUX_6zIMVhQ?t=247

https://youtu.be/LIs4a1Sjucg?t=55

I think he's a 'policy troll'. He's so absurd that anything else sounds reasonable. I wouldn't be surprised if he's trolling for Obama. Somebody might have covered that in an earlier response. But I aint readin all that $hit.

Who says that newspapers aren't effective media outlets?

http://www.businessinsider.com/philadelphia-daily-news-cover-donald-trump-hitler-2015-12

but he didn't win the nomination at the 2012 GOP convention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Republican_Party_2012_presidential_primaries#2011_polls

>but he didn't win the nomination at the 2012 GOP convention.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Republican_Party_2012_presidential_primaries#2011_polls


Yeah...Newt's time in the sun was very different....atmosphere different...And Newt was not the celebrity that Trump is...

Yeah, I agree with u for the most part...Trump is a joke....

But he's a joke that the Republican guard should take seriously....lol

but until then the only thing you take seriously is how easy it is to make the GOP look like the KKK

>but until then the only thing you take seriously is how easy
>it is to make the GOP look like the KKK



They r not going to let Trump get the nod without challenging him.....For the first time in a long time the Republican convention will actually matter....

If anything, it will be fun to watch....

and he did win the nomination.

He was also close/competitive in early December and TIED in mid December and nobody is nearly as close to Trump.

Newt in the lead again.

then Feb 2012.

Santorum in the lead.

by March 2012 Romney's lead was more secure. and by then more ppl were casting actual votes in real primary elections and caucauses too.

point - poll results at this point in a campaign season aren't necessarily good predictors of which candidate will win the GOP nomination at the convention. more specifically - the fact that Trump is leading in some polls right now doesn't necessarily mean he will win the GOP nomination at next year's convention.

i don't know why you're copying and pasting the whole page.

someone else could emerge by the end of december.

but by the end of december, it's usually a wrap.

if he wins some primaries then he's a threat. but w/o a single vote having been cast in a primary as of yet i don't care about Trump. even if he wins some primaries then he's gotta actually secure delegates at the GOP convention. that's a tough row to hoe for Trump. i don't see it happening.

There have been some cases where things were close and people went back and forth. Trump has a commanding 20 point lead.

http://time.com/4136867/donald-trump-december-polls/

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The Republican frontrunner at this point usually wins the nomination



Here’s some good news for Donald Trump fans: History is now on his side.

For months, members of the Republican Establishment have dismissed Trump’s chances at snagging the party’s presidential nomination. But he’s still ahead in the December polls, a signal that has boded well for GOP candidates in the past.

In fact, according to a 1999 Gallup poll analysis, in almost every election since 1952, the leader in the Republican polls in the fall ended up being the party’s nominee.

The elections since that analysis was done haven’t done much to upset this trend. In the 2008 Republican primary, Mike Huckabee was leading in December, but John McCain had been leading for months before then, and then came back to win the nomination. In 2012, Mitt Romney was leading in December, and then got the nomination.

According to the most recent poll from CNN, Trump is beating his nearest competitor, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, by 20 points, and he’s consistently been near the top of the pack since the summer.

Of course, the wildcard nature of this election suggests that there’s a good possibility the future might not look anything like the past.

One exception: 1964 nominee Barry Goldwater. In the fall of 1963, he was polling neck-and-neck with Nelson Rockefeller and not considered a clear frontrunner, but went on to win the nomination.

Democrats tend to be less predictable, and there are multiple examples of Democratic candidates who had wide leads a year before the election who went on to lose the nomination. Howard Dean was leading by double digits in late 2003, but lost the 2004 nomination to John Kerry. TIME declared Senator Edmund Muskie the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination in 1972, but George McGovern was picked at the convention.

Of course, presidential elections are held only every four years, and elections where neither side has an incumbent are even rarer, so drawing conclusions from the small sample of results is always a risky proposition. But for now, Trump can count history in his favor.

b/c it's time to freak out since Trump is winning some polls.

>and he did win the nomination.
>
>He was also close/competitive in early December and TIED in
>mid December and nobody is nearly as close to Trump.


Basically ^^^....

While I don't think Trump can win it all, it's important to take in the specifics of Newt/Trump....Newt was running during a time when the establishment Conservatives STILL had power....They never feared Newt getting the nod because they knew the party would come to their senses....

2015 is A LOT different. Basically, the uber Right Wing Republican base is pissed off after being used and abused during Obeezy's presidential run....They got sick of Republican law makers not going through with their threats of impeaching Obama; of tearing down Obamacare; of truly defeating the "threat" of gay marriage...

Trump taps into that shit....Plus it helps that the rest of the Republican field that could actually win (Rubio, Kasich, Bush) are viewed as establishment candidates....

So yeah...That Newt/Trump comparison is hella flawed...

i couldn't care much less about Trump than i do today.

good luck w/the panic.

>i couldn't care much less about Trump than i do today.
>
>good luck w/the panic.


Dog....u good for throwing the baby out with the bath water...lol

Panic?

I'm talking about the reasons why Republicans are truly shook over dude's current social/media/cultural dominance....Trump is going to hurt the Republican party either way...And I'm quite happy about that....But he ain't winning the entire thing....

just in case.

>just in case.


huh? I know I'm not writing in Chinese....

I think u got your setting stuck on SOWHAT SARCASM.....lol

but no matter - i'm also buying a generator on my way home. b/c Trump is going to win the GOP nomination since he's leading in polls and Rob Ford won an election in a city w/lots of brown ppl and gays. and Trump's victory will mean the end of the GOP party but then Hillary will win and she's the devil and so it's over for me so i might as well stock up and prepare to hunker down. i'll need candles too.

>but no matter - i'm also buying a generator on my way home.
>b/c Trump is going to win the GOP nomination since he's
>leading in polls and Rob Ford won an election in a city w/lots
>of brown ppl and gays. and Trump's victory will mean the end
>of the GOP party but then Hillary will win and she's the devil
>and so it's over for me so i might as well stock up and
>prepare to hunker down. i'll need candles too.

Oh...Make that scented candles....It helps out with that Trump fever....

Not worried about him winning a General election


But if this dude starts winning GOP primaries ... Without winning Iowa this could be a paradigm shift


More trolls could try to follow suit

they posted some figures not too long ago IRT campaign spending on adverts

Trump was the lowest $$$, I think aroung $250K

and Jeb! was the highest $$$, in the 10s of Ms

which leads me to believe this is his whole strategy

I think mynoriti posted a bit of a timeline above

say something outlandish and offensive, grab headlines

and then shift to something else outlandish and offensive before having your feet held to the fire, and stay in the headlines

at some point the media has to accept their culpability in this nonsense

as we enter 6 months now of this BS, of Trump being the lead story on a nightly basis

shouldn't be hard to understand how that makes him look like a viable candidate

+ I'm not so quick to dismiss Denny's input in this thread

hilarisad that the counter is Palin

she was a Governor and a VP candidate

folks think Trump is some bull in a china shop

I'm thinking this is his whole strategy, and everybody is playing their part to perfection so far.

and Palin was governed of a state with 3 million people away from the other 48 states.

Trump is just lying to stay in the news but once those votes come in I think we see him bounce.

He isn't going to spend his own money on this joke of a campaign

I get the feeling alot of people underestimate the rampant stupidity of US citizens/voters

his message is resonating

and with Cruz now his next closest competition

it should be evident

the repbulican party is going to nominate our nightmare

because that is their base.

>the repbulican party is going to nominate our nightmare
>
>because that is their base.



Good....they will lose.....

it's not like Palin was voted in or on the radar. No one knew who she was and we found out she was a fraud.

the cynic in me thinks she was picked to guarantee Obama would win.

the Republican party voted for her as the VP nominee

Trump is not running as an independent

he's running for the Republican nominee

and subsequently, engaging the very same base that, as you pointed out, Palin was used to engage

you follow

he's using the repbulican party's base for support

those people, those beliefs, those ideals

are a reflection of the republican party, not necessarily Trump (dude's been in the spotlight for a long time and it's not hard to find evidence where his previous actions conflict with what is now his political agenda)

it's not as much about Trump as it is the repbulican party, IMO

and Cruz being #2 is just further evidence of that, as I said previously

Just as Obama and his team PICKED Biden, and so on since around the 60s.

The delegates might have "voted," but she was running unopposed, since the Conventions have, since the 20th century, largely just rubber-stamped the nominees pick.

She was anointed by Bill Kristol and that whole lot, and didn't win shit on a national level.

i don't even think they have 1 million

carry on

Jeb Bush has $133million

Trump is huge for network ratings. He makes great TV/Web...that is it.

Please don't fall for the dolo.

>Jeb Bush has $133million
>
>Trump is huge for network ratings. He makes great
>TV/Web...that is it.
>
>Please don't fall for the dolo.

He hasn't needed to though.

Jeb Bush has not been able to translate his donations into anything.

He's polling 3-6% consistently.

I don't think I've seen one Trump commercial, however he is on my TV all day everyday.

.

IF he somehow gets the nomination....

Does that destroy the republican party? will the extreme tea party types splinter off? have more parties like europe?

Who does Sheldon adleson and the Koch's spend their money on?

Why do you think the tea party will splinter off if he gets the nomination?

the old establishment will split tho

Power play

If the extreme right puts him in the hotseat while the establishment has fully lost control they will need to break from them in order to reestablish control and power over the party

>Why do you think the tea party will splinter off if he gets
>the nomination?


Because the establishment will make it their business to make sure Trump doesn't see the nomination....And Trump will make good on his threat of going independent. Which will basically create a third party.....

And if Trump does get the nod, the establishment will shun Trump and shit on him as a candidate.....They will attempt to wrestle back control of the party from the crazy ass base which will force the Republicans to make the most logical split....

Why can't the GOP have Trump win the nomination?

This is not who they want in the white house...

Trump is beholden to no one.. he hasn't built the good ol boy GOP connects and the party donors hate him...

And the more extreme his views the more apparent it is..

should be evident, his popularity is coming directly from republican voters

IMO, it's too late in the game to switch up now

if they don't have another candidate that can rally the base to counter Trump

they might be stuck with him.

Trump destroyed the race... He single handedly changed the metrics of the race....

Im sure establishment figured Jeb would put up a good fight but they probably banked on Rubio (still might be).. Before bridge gate Christie def made sense.. He held their views but was sensible (at times)..

Why would ANY party want some wild volatile megalomaniac as the face of their party?

the party, I'm assuming, initially used Trump to divert attention from the Dems and HRC

now that it's spun out of the party figure heads control

the voters are lapping it up

and as I said in a previous reply, Ted Cruz at #2 just further reinforces the idea that these shock topics that Trump is capitilazing on

are really just a reflection of the republican voters themselves.

i.e., doesn't really matter now

the base that he's engaged will be picking the republican nominee

whether it's Trump or not

peep these

This chart from fivethirtyeight

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/silver-gop-five-ring-circus-jindal.png?w=610&h=613

And some quotes

"Quite often, however, the Trump’s-really-got-a-chance! case is rooted almost entirely in polls. If nothing Trump has said so far has harmed his standing with Republicans, the argument goes, why should we expect him to fade later on?

One problem with this is that it’s not enough for Trump to merely avoid fading. Right now, he has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.) As the rest of the field consolidates around him, Trump will need to gain additional support to win the nomination."

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/

he's ignited a base within the republican party

that is going to require whoever ends up with the nomination

Trump or otherwise

to actually include his bigoted stances

just as those graphs illustrate

he's operating outside of the other candidates agendas

and garnering 25-30% of the polls

that works both ways

if the nominee wants his voters

they're going to have to pander to them

the same way the article alludes to his need to pander to the more moderate bases

you follow

the BS you're hearing coming out of Trump's mouth

is because of who republican voters are

not because of who Trump is.

>he's ignited a base within the republican party
>
>that is going to require whoever ends up with the nomination
>
>Trump or otherwise
>
>to actually include his bigoted stances
>
>just as those graphs illustrate
>
>he's operating outside of the other candidates agendas
>
>and garnering 25-30% of the polls
>
>that works both ways
>
>if the nominee wants his voters
>
>they're going to have to pander to them


^^^^this is true....

>the BS you're hearing coming out of Trump's mouth
>is because of who republican voters are
>not because of who Trump is.

I've long thought that Trump is only talking all of this shit because IT WORKS. There are plenty of people that support him because his extreme statements mirror what they are thinking in their heads.

That "base"... is an extreme (but vocal) minority.. you did not read the article

correct

because nobody has demonstrated to me they know what the fuck they're talking about

Trump wasn't suppose to make it past the summer

here we are heading into 16' with him as the front runner

I'm confident whatever supposed insight is to be in the article you posted

is mostly bullshit.

The article is math.. it is not propaganda...

Fact is the polls are a small part of the actual voting public.. so if 25% of 25% say that Trump is #1 that literally means nothing..

makes for good TV though

>Why can't the GOP have Trump win the nomination?


Because it would spell doom for the future of their party....

It's one thing to have racists in your base....And it's one thing to at times blow the dog whistle to get them riled up...

But it's quite another to have a chest beating, mouth foaming RACIST!!! Presidential candidate, who has VERY LOUDLY shitted on Latinos, blacks, Muslims, and women, as the face of the party that can't be controlled..

This is different than becoming Mayor of Toronto....Trump being the face of the Republican party will have consequences on all the down tickets of elections...

That's why Repugs are freaking out....

and quiet as kept, that's where they've been having their silent revolution.

While they would LOVE to get the white house back, they knew in their heart of hearts taking back the presidency was a rough one(hence all that anti-hilary campaigning taking place for years with benghazi).

This circus is some unexpected extremely bad for business shit though.

MAYBE galvanized trump voters might help them win a congressonal seat or two during the national election, but as far as a longer term branding is concerned being the UNDENIABLE (which they've always been good at dodging) face of all the bad isms in the world (sexism, racism, etc) would kill them long term on all levels



>>Why can't the GOP have Trump win the nomination?
>
>
>Because it would spell doom for the future of their party....
>
>It's one thing to have racists in your base....And it's one
>thing to at times blow the dog whistle to get them riled
>up...
>
>But it's quite another to have a chest beating, mouth foaming
>RACIST!!! Presidential candidate, who has VERY LOUDLY shitted
>on Latinos, blacks, Muslims, and women, as the face of the
>party that can't be controlled..
>
>This is different than becoming Mayor of Toronto....Trump
>being the face of the Republican party will have consequences
>on all the down tickets of elections...
>
>That's why Repugs are freaking out....

>and quiet as kept, that's where they've been having their
>silent revolution.
>
>While they would LOVE to get the white house back, they knew
>in their heart of hearts taking back the presidency was a
>rough one. However, this circus is extremely bad for
>business. YUP, small town racists might help them on the more
>local level temporarily...shit maybe galvanized trump voters
>might help them win a congressonal seat or two during the
>national election, but as far as a longer term branding is
>concerned being the UNDENIABLE (which they've always been good
>at) face of all the bad isms in the world (sexism, racism,
>etc) would kill them long term on all levels

^^^^^...to all this....

As others have noted, Trump opens the door for the other wacky Republican candidates running for President....

In other words, Trump may not even get the nomination...But who is to say Ted Cruz who is just as worst won't get it (dude is playing the long game, basically kissing Trump's ass so he can scoop up his voting block just in case Trump flames out...)?

The ones that can win are not getting that Mitt momentum like the last election....Rubio, who would be a formidable candidate, is behind 3 or four other candidates right now....Candidates that have no business running for President...And Jeb is toast...

Either way, the Repubs will be nominating someone tailor made for the angry, crazy, frustrated base....

This is Barry Goldwater Part 2.....To the extreme.....

They want to win first and foremost. They would rather win with Trump than lose with Rubio.

I really don't think they care about racism. That's just so far down the list of priorities for them.

>They want to win first and foremost. They would rather win
>with Trump than lose with Rubio.


Have u read the recent pieces about donors and party establishment folk freaking out because Trump is holding his lead by nearly double digits? How they are worried that it's going to hurt other senate and house races (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-republican-ticket-216377()?

There are GOP bigwigs who are saying they will sit out of this race if dude gets the nod...

They spooked, dog.....

But like I said, it don't matter if Trump gets the nod or not....The stage is already set...

They want MONEY... first and foremost..

and that money will not support Trump..

>They want MONEY... first and foremost..
>
>and that money will not support Trump..


Basically...Establishment donors don't want to be attached to someone who literally called themselves David Duke Without The Baggage and who gets Tweeted thumbs up from white supremacists...

It's not good for business....

they could easily just count on their being more (fill in blank)ists everywhere and say fuck it...let's all go full heel

>they could easily just count on their being more (fill in
>blank)ists everywhere and say fuck it...let's all go full
>heel


If Trump kept his language coded? We might be talking President Trump. But since you've got big city newspapers posting him doing a nazi salute.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/philly-daily-news-likens-donald-846683

They can't double down on the rhetoric as a party. The reason why you've got mega-racist parties in Europe is because they are fringe and it doesn't reflect on the regular right...not the same with the two party system we have here.

>They can't double down on the rhetoric as a party. The reason
>why you've got mega-racist parties in Europe is because they
>are fringe and it doesn't reflect on the regular right...not
>the same with the two party system we have here.


Yep...Trump basically has outflanked the GOP....U can't get MORE RIGHT WING than Trump without putting on a KKK hood....

The irony is, those mega racist parties in Europe are starting to make an impact...Just look at what's happening in France right now...They got a female Trump running...Her part affiliation is grabbing some serious power right now...And she's much more savvier than Trump....

but..

Europe is crazy.. like if we were like them.. Trump would be on his 4th term already.. I mean Italy elected berlusconi

those #s are big enough from the pool of either party to attract the needed #s

its not like these party are really giving a shit about policy

they just need the numbers so they can get back to sucking off big biz

>those #s are big enough from the pool of either party to
>attract the needed #s
>
>its not like these party are really giving a shit about
>policy
>
>they just need the numbers so they can get back to sucking off
>big biz


Nobody with sense wants to be attached to a BRAZENLY racist party, dog....Not in 2015....That means the establishment Republicans and the BIG MONEY establishment donors will be sitting on their hands...

But the conservatives only have themselves to blame. They created this atmosphere...They created Trump, the monster by supporting his Birther obsessions...

Now them chickens are coming home....U know the rest....

is this the ever elusive "common sense"

or the financial know-how version of sense?

there is soooooo much money in bigotry

they don't need to come right out and say it...they'll just continue to let the public "polls" do the talking

wait for a few more ISIL attacks...stir the pot...just try to remains as faceless and as quiet as possible until they can find a way to root out that bigot base

why would they be willing to stir that pot...but unwilling to stir it whilst giving a giant middle finger...

the people who have supported in spite of the thundercloud of bigotry will do so when it's a full blown hurricane

not sure what changes...they been called racists...they tried to dodge...no way to backtrack or correct that...they just gotta continue to deny deny deny while clearly being exactly what we thought they were

if the market or social climate eats that base alive...it will likely allow them some leverage to profit more from it by marginalizing them

>is this the ever elusive "common sense"
>
>or the financial know-how version of sense?
>
>there is soooooo much money in bigotry




Yes....there is indeed money in dog whistle racism, congressional, gerrymandered races and small time city council races...

But for an election for President of the United States? Nah, dog....It's tough to bankroll a candidate who is viewed as a straight racist....It's the same reason why big money donors were not lining up in droves to support Pat Buchanan back in the '90s.....

They knew dude was basically that crazy racist uncle that could hurt the party....

>if the market or social climate eats that base alive...it will
>likely allow them some leverage to profit more from it by
>marginalizing them

What's going to happen is the Republican party will split into two....That way, the big money donors bold enough to bankroll a staunch racist, xenophobic candidate/party can come out of the closet....The ultra right wing conservatives will finally have their base party they have been looking for since the election of Obama...

And the establishment Republican party will finally be able to unload the crazies and get back to being what they view as the grown up party (whatever that means...lol)

He *is* the Koch brothers

He can fund it himself

He's on a completely dif level than Romney

>He *is* the Koch brothers
>
>He can fund it himself
>
>He's on a completely dif level than Romney


Trump ain't spending his own money like that.....He will set up shop just like everyone else....The difference is he won't be going to the usual suspects to help him bankroll his campaign....

And I'm not so much talking about Trump's election...I'm also talking about donors giving money to the other down ticket candidates (House, Senate candidates....)...It's going to be hard for a lot of THEM to raise money if Trump is the face of a party...

Those r the politicians that will get hit...

In his lifetime. He has very little connection to the establishment repubs and nobody is going to feel bad about giving money to jeb bush or Paul Ryan or other establishment repubs bc trump exists. Dick Cheney of all people came out and condemned trump today.

Don't get bogged down by Trump's money....All that is moot....

The real issue is how him running for president will affect other smaller tickets IF Trump somehow gets the nomination...Smaller candidates will have a tough time raising money if their party is being represented by a full blown racist (it's one thing to be a dog whistle racist; it's quite another to do that shit with a bullhorn....)

Besides, Trump doesn't want to spend his own money...Anyone who reads his books would know that. Right now, Trump is running his campaign on small donor money and his reliance on social media and traditional media...And as his run gets deeper in the woods, dude will play the money game just like everyone else...

His language is coded enough for his white working class base. Unless he calls multiple people nigger during a speech (on a private convo would be okay) or says I Hate blacks his base will not feel he's racist.

But what readers of the daily new and New York Times think is irrelevant. That state was never going republican anyway.

What's NY have to do with this?

doesn't matter. trump isn't going to win in those areas anyway.

you think ppl in *insert state here* can't read those Philly/NYC papers on their cellular devices too?

surely you've heard of broadcast tv also, right? you understand that those cover page images are being shown on broadcast tv in *insert state here*. and then there's cable tv. using satellites to beam those images all over *insert state here*.

and then there's that new-fangled thing - the Internet. and those social media books. or pages. you know, those things. you know how this works. you know how all of this works.

hell, Reg posted a link to a story from a Hollywood paper covering the Philly/NYC covers.

it's not just about the Philly/NYC media markets.

>you think ppl in *insert state here* can't read those
>Philly/NYC papers on their cellular devices too?
>
>surely you've heard of broadcast tv also, right? you
>understand that those cover page images are being shown on
>broadcast tv in *insert state here*. and then there's cable
>tv. using satellites to beam those images all over *insert
>state here*.
>
>and then there's that new-fangled thing - the Internet. and
>those social media books. or pages. you know, those things.
>you know how this works. you know how all of this works.
>
>hell, Reg posted a link to a story from a Hollywood paper
>covering the Philly/NYC covers.
>
>it's not just about the Philly/NYC media markets.


^^^^ U beat me to it....

I hope he gets the nod and turns the whole election into a shit show while the whole world is watching, so we can stop pretending like our governance is some holy thing to be exported around the globe like the Bible. This is America's true manifest destiny.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

getting it....


It's not about Trump having money or whether or not the racists will come out to support him....

It's about how Trump is freaking the Republican establishment out and how that freakout signals a coming party fracture....

Dude just tweeted out a poll from the USA Today stating that 68 percent of HIS supporters would follow Trump if he decided to bolt from the Republican Party....Trump is already looking at the front door....He's going to make Perot's 3rd party run look like a trial run....

Democrats are looking like this: : )

it's beyond just Trump now

it's about the abysmal affair that IS the republican party.

Trump is a freaking Mad Man right now.

trump is a joke to us 'cause we know who he is and we know he has zero point zero chance of ever being president. people around the world though? all they see is the leading candidate for president of the united states calling for a ban on muslims. not so funny.

i guarantee trump makes the cover of ISIS's next recruiting pamphlet: "america declares war on islam."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/world/europe/donald-trumps-call-to-bar-muslims-reverberates-abroad.html

money quote:

Mr. Trump’s comments were widely shared on social media throughout the Arab world. In a region racked by conflict, his language had an impact, including in Egypt, where he was condemned by the country’s highest religious authority and by many others, who called him an Islamaphobe, a racist or, as Reem Khorshid, a 21-year-old engineering student and blogger, put it, “a madman who has no sense at all.”

Rachid Tlemcani, a professor of political science at the University of Algiers, warned that Mr. Trump threatened to push young people toward the Islamic State.

“A lot of people in the Middle East think of the United States as the last place we can go if things turn really bad, as it is the place of freedom and liberty,” Mr. Tlemcani said. “I think that sort of comment could even invite some act of violence against America. I think he is not responsible.”

not b/c i think he might secure the GOP nomination. but i am concerned that ppl who can't contextualize him and his campaign might mistakenly accept his bullshit as actual policy proposals.

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/674021415897681924

https://youtu.be/wVhZcPl9qNA

What the heck do people not understand about the most money wins elections?

You might also study what the GOP did to Ron Paul last election when he started to gain momentum

barring supporters and super delegate shenanigans

fake weather events in Maine with missing vote tallies that favored Paul

corrupt as shit


The only thing he is good for is telling you how many ignorant people who lack critical thinking skills you have as facebook friends

in it the long run. The question is, how far is he gonna take it and what kinda damage is he gonna do along the way?

Whether he wins is moot....

Trump is already damaging the Republican Party....The old rules no longer apply...

Forget the money...Forget whether Trump can win or not...

The real battle is behind the scenes....Trump has become the face of the Republican Party...And they are sweating like shit....They can't truly go in on him because of his I WILL GO 3RD PARTY IF YOU DON'T TREAT ME RIGHT threat....But it's the House and Senate candidates that are REALLY shitting bricks....That's going to be the real damage if Trump (or Cruz) continues to rally the feverish base and beat up the establishment....Excerpt below

---

Politico

Republicans have spent many years and hundreds of millions of dollars wresting control of the House and Senate from Democrats.

Now they say Donald Trump is putting it all in jeopardy.

"With the Iowa caucuses just 55 days away, Republicans are beginning to see Trump as a dire threat to their majorities on Capitol Hill. And they’re warning that the GOP poll leader, who this week called for a ban on Muslims entering the country, will cause irreparable harm to the party.

From vulnerable senators to top party officials, the fear is palpable and bursting into public view. Congressional Republicans face a tough 2016 landscape even without Trump. Senate Republicans are clinging to a four-seat majority as they defend 24 seats versus just 10 for Democrats. And House Republicans are expecting to lose roughly a dozen seats in 2016. Trump’s rhetoric, they fear, could cause those losses to grow substantially.

“This is not what we’re about as a party, and this is not what we’re about as a country, and we cannot yield to this,” said Oregon Rep. Greg Walden, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, which is charged with electing Republicans to the House, said Tuesday. “It puts, certainly, competitive seats in jeopardy. We’ll have a much more difficult time.”

Rep. Steve Stivers (R-Ohio), the NRCC’s deputy chairman in charge of helping reelect embattled GOP incumbents, was more blunt.

“It would be devastating to our attempts to grow our majority and would cost us seats,” Stivers said in an interview. Trump “would cost us seats. There are people that couldn’t win if he was our nominee.” "

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/republicans-fear-trump-216561#ixzz3tpPYOvi5

Problem is that within the party they are still in this bubble where things aren't as bad as they think they are and they believe they can still salvage this election(I remember so many Repubs shocked at Obama's second term stompage at the ballot box, the fox news bubble is real).

The election is a *W-R-A-P* in favor for the Democrats and Trump going third party and taking a shitload of Repub votes with him won't make a difference in the end.

NOW, If Trump actually goes third party it would help them out…make a deal with Cruz to put Rubio up as the face of the party and spend 2016 calming down the rhetoric so that way the damage to the house and senate stay minimal so they can work on 2018 senate/congressional seats and a real presidental candidate for 2020 so they can go back to 'racism-lite' like they've been for the past few decades.


>
>
>Forget the money...Forget whether Trump can win or not...
>
>The real battle is behind the scenes....Trump has become the
>face of the Republican Party...And they are sweating like
>shit....They can't truly go in on him because of his I WILL GO
>3RD PARTY IF YOU DON'T TREAT ME RIGHT threat....But it's the
>House and Senate candidates that are REALLY shitting
>bricks....That's going to be the real damage if Trump (or
>Cruz) continues to rally the feverish base and beat up the
>establishment....Excerpt below
>
>---
>
>Politico
>
>Republicans have spent many years and hundreds of millions of
>dollars wresting control of the House and Senate from
>Democrats.
>
>Now they say Donald Trump is putting it all in jeopardy.
>
>"With the Iowa caucuses just 55 days away, Republicans are
>beginning to see Trump as a dire threat to their majorities on
>Capitol Hill. And they’re warning that the GOP poll leader,
>who this week called for a ban on Muslims entering the
>country, will cause irreparable harm to the party.
>
>From vulnerable senators to top party officials, the fear is
>palpable and bursting into public view. Congressional
>Republicans face a tough 2016 landscape even without Trump.
>Senate Republicans are clinging to a four-seat majority as
>they defend 24 seats versus just 10 for Democrats. And House
>Republicans are expecting to lose roughly a dozen seats in
>2016. Trump’s rhetoric, they fear, could cause those losses
>to grow substantially.
>
>“This is not what we’re about as a party, and this is not
>what we’re about as a country, and we cannot yield to
>this,” said Oregon Rep. Greg Walden, chairman of the
>National Republican Congressional Committee, which is charged
>with electing Republicans to the House, said Tuesday. “It
>puts, certainly, competitive seats in jeopardy. We’ll have a
>much more difficult time.”
>
>Rep. Steve Stivers (R-Ohio), the NRCC’s deputy chairman in
>charge of helping reelect embattled GOP incumbents, was more
>blunt.
>
>“It would be devastating to our attempts to grow our
>majority and would cost us seats,” Stivers said in an
>interview. Trump “would cost us seats. There are people that
>couldn’t win if he was our nominee.” "
>
>Read more:
>http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/republicans-fear-trump-216561#ixzz3tpPYOvi5

>Problem is that within the party they are still in this
>bubble where things aren't as bad as they think they are and
>they believe they can still salvage this election(I remember
>so many Repubs shocked at Obama's second term stompage at the
>ballot box, the fox news bubble is real).
>
>The election is a *W-R-A-P* in favor for the Democrats and
>Trump going third party and taking a shitload of Repub votes
>with him won't make a difference in the end.
>
>NOW, If Trump actually goes third party it would help them
>out…make a deal with Cruz to put Rubio up as the face of the
>party and spend 2016 calming down the rhetoric so that way the
>damage to the house and senate stay minimal so they can work
>on 2018 senate/congressional seats and a real presidental
>candidate for 2020 so they can go back to 'racism-lite' like
>they've been for the past few decades.


Cruz doesn't know the meaning of compromise....lol...Dude ain't making deals...He wants that Presidential brass ring...And he's not going to let Rubio jump ahead of him...In fact, Cruz thinks Rubio is one of those "squishy" fake Republicans that he once called out....

There's no calming down happening...The Republican Party is on a highway to hell, whatever Trump decides to do....

since he would split the Republican vote and cost them the election.

He's basically cost them the election anyway by sacrificing his national credibility to double down on the crazy vote to get the Republican nod they've got nothing to lose now.

Its why I think the bulk of the party(outside of Cruz) attacked his Muslim stance on Monday...its not as if he said anything more egregious then calling Mexicans rapists.

Trump didn't even get the right Twitter acct for Nutter

amazing

It's pretty clear now that he knew the majority of repub voters are racist, and I don't think it's any coincidence that the biggest selling point of his campaign has been fighting to keep foreign people out of our country.

He may be a racist asshole, but the guy has unrivaled ability to feed on the ignorance of our nation like no other. Truly one of a kind.

good to be true.

This might wind up being the worst landslide in my lifetime.

Clinton and Bush weren't either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_Zone_(novel)

You can see it unfolding like they generally described above the past couple days.

Also....I was neglecting that Trump's 37% has a ceiling. Noone's gonna go from Bush to Trump, or Fiorina to Trump or Paul to Trump or Kasik to Trump etc. After candidates start dropping off Trump's numbers will stay where they are while Rubio or whoever else make exponential gains. After it becomes a 2 or 3 man race I imagine the numbers eventually look like something similar to Rubio 50% Trump 37% and Kruz/Bush 13%.

Bright side is Rubio/Clinton will probably make for the most interesting debates. Clinton gonna have to take a hard right after she shakes Saunders off her business skirt.

the White House. The same people who think Pres Obama is a Muslim Terrorist, the same People Who said Pred Obama was Osama Bin Laden.

>
>Also....I was neglecting that Trump's 37% has a ceiling.
>Noone's gonna go from Bush to Trump, or Fiorina to Trump or
>Paul to Trump or Kasik to Trump etc.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

GOP already plotting to get Trump off the ticket....But it's not going to work.....The "joke" is just going to make the Republican Party miserable....(SWIPE)
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Washington Post
GOP preparing for contested convention

By Robert Costa and Tom Hamburger


Republican officials and leading figures in the party’s establishment are preparing for the possibility of a brokered convention as businessman Donald Trump continues to sit atop the polls in the GOP presidential race.

More than 20 of them convened Monday near the Capitol for a dinner held by Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, and the prospect of Trump nearing next year’s nominating convention in Cleveland with a significant number of delegates dominated the discussion, according to five people familiar with the meeting.

Weighing in on that scenario as Priebus and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) listened, several longtime Republican power brokers argued that if the controversial billionaire storms through the primaries, the party’s establishment must lay the groundwork for a floor fight in which the GOP’s mainstream wing could coalesce around an alternative, the people said.

The development represents a major shift for veteran Republican strategists, who until this month had spoken of a brokered convention only in the most hypothetical terms — and had tried to encourage a drama-free nomination by limiting debates and setting an earlier convention date.

Now, those same leaders see a floor fight as a real possibility. And so does Trump, who said in an interview last week that he, too, is preparing.

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Because of the sensitivity of the topic — and because they are wary of saying something that, if leaked, would provoke Trump to bolt the party and mount an independent bid — Priebus and McConnell were mostly quiet during the back-and-forth. They did not signal support for an overt anti-Trump effort.

But near the end, McConnell and Priebus acknowledged to the group that a deadlocked convention is something the party should prepare for, both institutionally within the RNC and politically at all levels in the coming months.

Attacks on Trump just make these voters like him more

When asked Thursday about the dinner and convention planning, Sean Spicer, the RNC’s chief strategist and spokesman, said: “The RNC is neutral in this process, and the rules are set until the convention begins next July. Our goal is to ensure a successful nomination, and that requires us thinking through every scenario, including a contested convention.”

During the dinner, attendees delved into what exactly a brokered convention would look like. It would happen if no candidate was able to win the nomination on a first-ballot vote, starting a multi-ballot exercise on the floor of the Quicken Loans Arena that could extend for hours until a candidate has secured sufficient support.

Many of the delegates are “bound” on the first ballot, meaning they must support the candidate they chose in primaries or at state conventions. But that restriction would lift if no nominee is chosen. The jockeying for delegates on a second ballot — or third, fourth or fifth — would be intense and full of political dealmaking, thus the term “brokered” convention.

Upon leaving the Monday dinner, several attendees said they would share memos about delegate allocation in each state as well as research about the 1976 convention, the last time the GOP gathered without a clear nominee.

The rules for selection of delegates are complicated — and largely decided state by state. Most states now elect delegates on a proportional basis, with at-large statewide delegates supplemented by delegates awarded by each congressional district.

This makes the task of securing delegates more difficult in many states, because Republican candidates must, in some cases, push for support in overwhelmingly Democratic districts.

They must also qualify for each state’s ballot in order to win any delegates at all, making the arduous series of state-by-state rules governing ballot access a potentially critical factor as well.

The campaign of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) seems to have mastered the intricacies of state ballot access rules and is said to have qualified in more than 40 states and territories, more than any other candidate.

The emerging consensus at the highest levels of the Republican Party about how the 2016 race could unfold comes after a fresh wave of polls showing Trump leading in early-voting states and nationally, even as he continues to unleash incendiary comments such as his proposal to block Muslims from entering the United States. It also marks the close of a months-long chapter in the campaign when a brokered convention was considered a fanciful concept rather than a possibility that merited serious review.


Conservative radio host William J. Bennett, who served as President Ronald Reagan’s education secretary, said the unrest on the right echoes the run-up to the 1976 GOP convention, when Reagan challenged then-President Gerald Ford. But Bennett called this moment “a little more intense.”

“That said, people shouldn’t be panicking, and I think things will calm down when people in the party leadership realize there are core truths to what Trump is saying and he’s not trying to take down the party. For many conservatives, his candidacy is a positive disruption,” Bennett said. “Let things run their course.”

If anything, he added, the GOP convention “may get a ton of interest. People will want to tune in. They won’t tune in to the Democratic coronation.”

Stuart Stevens, a former adviser to Mitt Romney, said the need to plan for a brokered convention is not necessarily all about Trump.

“Beyond Trump, what you’re seeing is the party bracing for a potential ‘Hunger Games’ scenario where you have a different person win each of the first four primaries and they all have the resources to slug it out until the convention,” Stevens said. “It’s smart to think of contingencies, and if you actually spend time with the numbers, it’s possible someone won’t quickly get the number they need to be the nominee.”

The prix fixe three-course meal at the Source, an Asian fusion restaurant near the Capitol, was part of a regular invitation-only dinner series hosted by Priebus in which he solicits candid input from party leaders. Those familiar with Monday’s deliberations spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private matter.

Attendees included Ward Baker, executive director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee; Rob Simms, his counterpart at the National Republican Congressional Committee; Ron Kaufman, an RNC committeeman and Romney confidant; and pollster Linda DiVall. Whit Ayres, an adviser to Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), and Vin Weber, an ally of former Florida governor Jeb Bush, also were there, among others.

It was not supposed to unfold this way. After Romney’s 2012 defeat, which followed a protracted nomination season, the RNC moved to speed up the process. In August, Priebus predicted a swift and relatively painless nomination contest, two months after Trump jumped in the race. “We’re going to have a nominee probably by the end of March or the beginning of April,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

The problem facing the party — a crowded field led by a billionaire firebrand — was evident Thursday, a deadline to qualify for the Virginia presidential primary. According to the state GOP, 13 candidates qualified. Given the acrimony and uncertainty — and the relative ease of fundraising — there is little incentive for any of them to drop out.

RNC members will huddle in January in South Carolina to discuss the convention. Although no rule changes can be implemented until the convention, the people familiar with the dinner gathering said top Republicans would like to begin that winter meeting with more clarity about how the RNC would handle a contested convention.

When asked by The Washington Post last week what he thought about a contested convention, Trump said he is getting ready for one.

“I don’t think it’s going to be a brokered convention,” he said. “But if it is, I’d certainly go all the way — and I think I’d have a certain disadvantage.”

“I’ll be disadvantaged,” he continued. “The dealmaking, that’s my advantage. My disadvantage is that I’d be going up against guys who grew up with each other, who know each other intimately, and I don’t know who they are, okay? That’s a big disadvantage. . . . These kind of guys stay close. They all know each other. They want each other to win.”

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qb0Q7hXDpzY/hqdefault.jpg

which kind of shows just how out of touch they are.

constantly losing with establishment guys like Romney is part of the reason the far right is embracing these outsiders to begin with.

there's not a whole lot Romney can bring to the table that don't already have with Bush, or Rubio. I don't know why they think people will get excited about the guy who lost to Obama, and passed his own Obamacare before Obama

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/10/no_trump_isnt_the_next_hitler_but_his_real_historical_comparison_is_still_scary/

Thursday, Dec 10, 2015 02:27 PM CST

No, Trump isn’t the next Hitler: But his real historical comparison is still scary

A tycoon dilettante with a "straight shooting" style who mainstreamed repugnant racist views? Sounds familiar
Arthur Chu

If I were still in a mood to make jokes about the Trump campaign I’d say the makers of “Allegiance” and “The Man in the High Castle” both owe Donald Trump money for free publicity.

The Philadelphia Daily News hailed Trump’s plan to ban all Muslim immigration–which would bring us back to the era of the openly racist Chinese Exclusion Act–with the barely-even-a-pun headline “The New Furor.” The New York Daily News, not to be outdone, showed Trump beheading the Statue of Liberty.

Prominent Republicans have been coming out of the woodwork to bash Trump for escalating Republican discourse about immigration from veiled bigotry to open bigotry. The First Amendment-defying concept of applying a religious test to immigration is apparently a bridge too far even for the Dick Cheneys and Lindsey Grahams of the world.

Twitter, of course, has been a-twittering nonstop. Jeff Bezos threatened to shoot him into space. J.K. Rowling weighed in, calling him a worse villain than Lord Voldemort. (A stretch, considering Donald Trump has not yet assassinated anyone nor created an army of mind-controlled slaves nor fused his soul to that of a giant man-eating serpent, though I guess we’ll see in 2016.)

All of this naturally leads to the question: If everyone hates him so much, why are we so worried about him? Ross Douthat points out we haven’t even held our first primaries yet; Trump has yet to win a single actual election. Nate Silver, our nation’s election oracle, recently implored the media to “stop freaking out” about Trump’s position in opinion polls as the “Republican frontrunner.” Trump gets a lot of attention, but not that much support–his overwhelmingly “high unfavorables” basically mean the nation is split between a minority that backs Trump and a majority that hates him but hasn’t decided whom they’d prefer as president instead.

As Silver says, “Nobody remotely like Trump has won a major-party nomination in the modern era”; for Trump to succeed, he’d have to beat the entire Republican Party apparatus lined up against him and thus prove that the party itself is ineffectual against a determined enough wealthy individual. People who’d like to think that the two parties are obsolete lick their chops at Trump’s headline-grabbing status for this reason, but for better or for worse that’s probably wishful thinking.

To put it bluntly, Trump isn’t Hitler, not because Trump’s views aren’t as personally odious as Hitler’s were but because Trump doesn’t live in Hitler’s Germany and, to be blunt about it, he doesn’t have Hitler’s balls. The Adolf Hitler who took power in 1933 was a man who’d previously taken politics seriously enough to lead an armed revolution against the state and be imprisoned for it. His party already had a paramilitary wing (the SA) of organized, uniformed thugs who seriously thought of themselves as a rival to the existing military. He rose to power in a country that saw itself as a desperate underdog, having lost a major war and been forced to make massive reparation payments that crippled the economy.

None of this describes Donald Trump. It’s impossible to imagine the effete reality-show billionaire at the head of a Beer Hall Putsch or going to prison as a martyr for his cause. His supporters are violent, frightening, boorish mobs but they’re nothing at all like an army, not even the ersatz army the SA were. And despite how ugly things have gotten in the United States during the War on Terror we are still comfortably the world’s wealthiest superpower; Weimar Germany would be lucky to have our problems.

No, as disgusted as I am that a leading candidate for president can mouth fascist slogans and trumpet fascist ideals in 2015, I don’t seriously believe the America is Germany in 1933 or Trump is Adolf Hitler.

That doesn’t mean I’m not scared.

Because there is an example of a country a lot like America in 2015 that had a candidate in mind much like Trump–an ultra-rich dilettante who seemed to treat politics like a show and shoot his mouth off without any concern for actually winning, who did indeed “freak out” the chattering classes by skyrocketing in popularity against all common sense.

That country is America in 1924, and that would-be candidate was Henry Ford.

Like Trump, Ford vacillated about which party he even belonged to but seemed none the worse for wear for his shifting allegiances–his personal brand outshining the brand of whatever party he belonged to. Like Trump, Ford’s popularity was blamed on mass media–in 1924 that was the “movie mind” overstimulated by Hollywood features; in 2015 it’s apparently the fault of the “social media mind” of self-sustaining Internet outrage.

Like Trump, Ford surged to national attention in 1924 because of the country’s deep disenchantment with the “serious” candidates, a sense that party politics was just a corrupt elite trading favors with each other–Trump, like Ford, somehow managed to be an “outsider” and to represent the “common man” despite being incredibly wealthy.

And, like Trump, Ford was beloved by his fans because he was perceived as a straight-talker, a truth-teller, someone insulated enough by his wealth he didn’t have to recite polite fictions. Among serious pundits of the chattering classes, an eccentric billionaire who goes on rants about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or Barack Obama’s forged birth certificate has disqualified himself from being taken seriously for office. Among voters who hate and resent the serious pundits of the chattering classes, those “fringe” views only underscore the billionaire’s “outsider” credentials.

It may well be the case that Ford, had he not bowed out of running for the Republican nomination in 1924, would never have won a general election once enough people blasted the contents of his raving anti-Semitic newspaper the Dearborn Independent to a national stage–indeed, the Anti-Defamation League successfully shut down that newspaper with a boycott in 1927. It may be that historians are correct that Ford would never have made it that far into the election because, like most people who storm into presidential elections with no past political experience, he simply didn’t have the taste for politics.

And it may be that the prospect of a President Trump is unlikely for the same reasons. Trump’s whole campaign has been a series of brash, trollish provocations followed by an impressively united backlash, from the Latino community speaking up about his mass-deportation plans to the uproar about his recent anti-Muslim comments. There’s plenty of speculation that Trump is, on some level, getting off on the attention that comes from being polarizing and doesn’t have the expertise or the personnel or even the attention span to do the serious work of winning the election.

So no, if there were someone capable of plunging America into a fascist dystopian nightmare overnight, I don’t think Trump is the guy. The problem is, these things don’t happen overnight.

Henry Ford, for all his rants about rooting out Jewish influence in America and blocking further Jewish immigration, never actually proposed violent ethnic cleansing or a Final Solution. What he did propose sparked enough anger among the American mainstream that he was forced to back off of his position and publicly apologize.

But the rising star of Henry Ford’s political career in the 1920s aligned with the resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan as an “Invisible Empire” throughout the United States. Ford paved the way for later anti-Semitic political figures like Father Coughlin and Charles Lindbergh.

Most important, he pushed the Overton window far to the right on anti-Semitic politics. By openly espousing conspiracy theories that overtly named “international Jewry” as a menace to be rooted out, he allowed the harsh Immigration Act of 1924–which did not specifically exclude Jews by name, merely setting a quota for immigrants from southern and eastern Europe–to seem reasonable by comparison. He was a convenient figure for the later America First Committee to distance itself from: By expelling Henry Ford from their membership and embracing the more “moderate” Charles Lindbergh they were able to define the debate over entering World War II as one over how much the Jews were at fault for the war rather than whether they were.

Ford never created a Nazi state in America. There were no overt policies of pogroms or concentration camps or genocide aimed at Jewish-American citizens here, although the 1920s and 1930s did see the peak of the Klan’s anti-Semitic terrorism.

But Ford cheered the anti-immigration policies that kept Jewish people trapped in fascist states as anti-Semitic persecution continued to escalate. Lindbergh’s America First Committee successfully kept the United States out of World War II while pogroms racked Europe. Whether you held the “extreme” views of a Henry Ford or more “moderate” views, it had become politically normalized in America to declare excessive Jewish immigration a threat to American culture–normalized enough that in 1939 the U.S. turned away an ocean liner full of Jewish refugees, citing the 1924 law as justification for sending them back to the Nazis.

All of this echoes ominously when you remember that, amid all the uproar about ISIS/Daesh proving the threat “Muslims” supposedly pose to our way of life, Daesh has far, far more victims in the Middle East than in the West–victims that just a few weeks ago U.S. governors were gleefully racing to deny asylum to in order to show their patriotism.

But it goes further than that. Those fascists in Europe who were openly butchering a minority religious group they decided they could blame for all their problems? Several of them had read Henry Ford’s work and approved of it–his most extreme Dearborn Independent articles had been republished in Germany as “The International Jew.” One of his fans was a scrappy political prisoner named Adolf Hitler, who, after going to prison for insurrection in 1924 (the same year as Ford’s presidential run), wrote a prison memoir, “Mein Kampf,” that was largely based on “The International Jew.”

In later years Hitler kept a full-size portrait of Ford by his desk and called Ford his “inspiration”–inspiring him not just in the field of mass-market production of inexpensive automobiles but also in the field of genocide.

There is a story that after the war, when Henry Ford watched a newsreel depicting the horrors of the Nazi death camps in graphic detail–that is, when he was forced to confront the visceral reality of what his ideas led to when put in practice–he collapsed of a stroke and died shortly after. I don’t know if it’s true. I hope it is.

As I said, I see Trump as far more Ford than Hitler. He gives no indication of understanding the implications of what he says, the bloody consequences that would result from a movement that truly embraced the vicious xenophobia and racism he lets fall out of his mouth on a daily basis. To him it’s just words.

That doesn’t stop him from saying them. That doesn’t stop those words from entering the conversation and altering it, from turning our world into one where “Do you think all Muslims should be barred from entry to the United States?” or “Do you support a massive crackdown on Latino Americans to deport anyone without papers?” becomes a reasonable topic of debate.

I don’t know where the chain of dominoes ends, who the Father Coughlin or Charles Lindbergh to Trump’s Henry Ford will be. But I do think that if we see another Hitler in the West any time soon, it’ll be someone who, whether or not he puts up that big portrait of Trump and calls him an “inspiration”–something that would tickle Trump pink, I’m sure–will approvingly cite Trump as an antecedent, one of the first men who had the courage to say what needed to be done.

I hope it never comes to that. I hope Donald Trump never has to wrestle with the same horror that Henry Ford did, watching that stark black-and-white footage from Auschwitz. I hope his candidacy in 2016 is simply forgotten, a footnote in history.

Somehow, though, I doubt we’ll get off that easy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/15/doj-trump-s-early-businesses-blocked-blacks.html

In the 70's he along with his father instructed landlords to deny potential rents of colored.
They would do this a number of ways.
This included instructing the landlord to attach a blank piece
of paper to the application with a big letter C on it, presumably
for "colored" so they can be denied or to give black applicants
fake applications.

The way he was caught was through the a equal housing group
sending "testers" where on the same day they would send white
and black applicants to see if there was a difference in responses.
Black applicants were informed no units were available while on
the same day, several instances where white applicants were
informed there were several empty units.

In one case of testing, a black husband and white wife team did some testing.
The black husband was interested in a two bedroom and was
told there was nothing available.
The white wife on the same day inquired about
2 bedrooms and was informed 2 units were available.

Trump claimed that they were trying to force him to take in
welfare recipients, while several landlords corroborated
each other in stating that the rule from the Trumps was to
deny specific races of applicants,
even if they had the money for the apartment and welfare
was never an item of discussion during the process.

An indian man was also almost denied housing until donald found
out he had ties to the UN and they approved his application.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12842850&mesg_id=12842850&page=#12844166

believe me (c) Trump

The republicans have some horrible horrible ppl on their voter rolls. If I was a fiscal conservative or moderate republican I would be absolutely embarrassed and prolly feel like I had no party/very isolated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

there's also a theory

that when initially presented with an outlandish idea

one will be more open to another lesser outlandish idea

see: Ted Cruz

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
>
>there's also a theory
>
>that when initially presented with an outlandish idea
>
>one will be more open to another lesser outlandish idea
>
>see: Ted Cruz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique



>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
>
>there's also a theory
>
>that when initially presented with an outlandish idea
>
>one will be more open to another lesser outlandish idea
>
>see: Ted Cruz

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
>
>there's also a theory
>
>that when initially presented with an outlandish idea
>
>one will be more open to another lesser outlandish idea
>
>see: Ted Cruz

I was shocked at some of the responses last night actually sounded like solid policy

I think it was Fiorina that blew me away talking about how she could go after China...floored me

even some of what the Donald was saying, I actually agreed with

I think he said something about the trillions we've spent in the middle east would have been better served on our infrastucture here

but specifically, I think foreign policy will be Hillary's achilles heel

unless Obama pulls an Osama and exterminates Isis before the election

there really isn't any spin for the Obama administrations failed foreign policy

toppled regime in Iraq
toppled regime in Egypt
toppled regime in Libya

= all Ls

of course Iraq is on W's watch, but it's still a complete shit show

and they've continued the failed regime change approach

into Egypt and Libya = can't really talk around that

and now the shit show in Syria

they really can't topple another regime, because, as Rand Paul stated, that just clears the path for Isis and the caliphate

if Obama can't pull a rabbit out of his ass in the 4th quarter

I don't see how Hillary can win a general election.

I think the dems are ok

more attacks like Paris or San Bernardino

or the eradication of Isis

?

U gotta keep up homie....Let me help u...

U said:

"toppled regime in Iraq"

No...That's not what happened. At all. lol. Bush and his team signed the papers for us to get out of Iraq. because the Iraqi government wanted US OUT....So Bush and crew said OK....They handed it over to Obama who basically pulled our troops out under the agreement of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND IRAQ....Don't fall for the banana in the tail pipe....

"toppled regime in Egypt"

That was the will of the Egyptian people....US could not do shit about that. Remember, all this happened under THE ARAB SPRING....Meaning, the USA had to set aside and let the Middle East handle their own business....


"toppled regime in Libya"

This is ^^^^something u may be on to...Except for the part where Hillary actually wanted to take it further than Obama (she wanted more fly overs, bombings and troops there to hold shit together....)....What the Repubs r going to do is try to connect Hillary Clinton with Obama's foreign policies....The problem with that though is Hillary back then was more Hawkish on foreign policy than Obeezy....(Because she already had an eye on the Presidency.....)

Meaning that she will outflank the Repubs in their own BIG DICK foreign policy bullshit...

"= all Ls"

Nah....The only L for Hill Dog is if the email scandal really blows up again....New info, FBI charges etc....

Other than that? Hillary Clinton will beat Trump/Cruz......Easily....

I'm speaking in generalities, because that is what is going to resonate in the general election

the regime change strategy has been a proven failure

first by Bush, and continued by the Obama administration

I'm really starting to think the term Arab Spring is just code language for nation building and regime toppling

there is no argument that whatever our involvement in those countries

to date, has been nothing but a failure

Hillary is not going to big dick her way out of that

or her actual involvement

Bern himself has been flying the...she voted for all of the wars...I didn't...flag really high

the Reps are already directly their foreign policy critiques directly at her

and I don't think she can talk her way out of the results.

Obama needs a HR before the election, because, to date, IMO

his administration's legacy on foreign policy will be absolute failure.

Ls

>I'm speaking in generalities, because that is what is going
>to resonate in the general election



Trump and Cruz are leading the Repugs...

>the regime change strategy has been a proven failure


Trump and Cruz...

>first by Bush, and continued by the Obama administration


Trump and Cruz....

>I'm really starting to think the term Arab Spring is just code
>language for nation building and regime toppling

Trump and Cruz....

>there is no argument that whatever our involvement in those
>countries

Trump and Cruz....

>to date, has been nothing but a failure


Trump and Cruz....

>Hillary is not going to big dick her way out of that


Trump and Cruz...

>or her actual involvement

Trump and Cruz....

>Bern himself has been flying the...she voted for all of the
>wars...I didn't...flag really high

Trump and Cruz...And Bern is already done...

>the Reps are already directly their foreign policy critiques
>directly at her

Trump and Cruz...

>and I don't think she can talk her way out of the results.

Trump and Cruz...

>Obama needs a HR before the election, because, to date, IMO
>
>his administration's legacy on foreign policy will be absolute
>failure.
>
>Ls


And did I mention.....Trump and Cruz?

>I think the dems are ok

it's real easy for Donald to say we shouldn't spend trillions in the middle east but we know damn well whoever gets elected will keep spending money in the middle east because if we dont a lot of military contracts go belly up.

lol.....^^^^^

lol.. all I needed to see to not respond...

That shit was laughable.. Trump said he would kill families... Ben Carson literally became Kid Mero as Ben Carson

and you think the Dems are in trouble? lol

Reality is we will get Hillary.. The far left wont come out to vote and in the general election she'll definitely hit on points repub voters can get behind..

do you think we don't

see Anwar al-Awlaki

>do you think we don't
>
>see Anwar al-Awlaki


Man...I can't....

Even if this was the most 'tame' of the debates (apparently, I missed it) the public already got a first impression take of all the frontrunners. Its not going to be hard for Hilldawg to pull in the the hundreds of soundbytes those niggas gave her since June to make them look foolish.

The thing is I dont necessarily disagree with the fact that Hilary doesn't have enough juice on her own* to win an election. A true center/right repub could absolutely win the general election off the recent revelation** the middle class is disappearing. But they've got a bunch of asshats running against her, "Anyone but Trump" has been said from more then a few of the powerbrokers on the right...same would go for Cruz who's a documented loon or Fiorino/Carson who've got no experience at running anything successful in addition to being genuinely dumb people.



*that said, I think you underestimate the power of Obama. Sure the right's is able to put the idea out that most of America hates him but even among his enemies he's 'rational' even if its rationally evil, lol. Its becoming less about "Obama did" (insert commonsense act that they think is fucked up here) and more "Those assholes in the house/senate don't stop him!"

**any black/latino knew that this mythical middle class started disappearing around the crack era. THANKS REAGAN.

>Even if this was the most 'tame' of the debates (apparently,
>I missed it) the public already got a first impression take of
>all the frontrunners. Its not going to be hard for Hilldawg to
>pull in the the hundreds of soundbytes those niggas gave her
>since June to make them look foolish.
>
>The thing is I dont necessarily disagree with the fact that
>Hilary doesn't have enough juice on her own* to win an
>election. A true center/right repub could absolutely win the
>general election off the recent revelation** the middle class
>is disappearing. But they've got a bunch of asshats running
>against her, "Anyone but Trump" has been said from more then a
>few of the powerbrokers on the right...same would go for Cruz
>who's a documented loon or Fiorino/Carson who've got no
>experience at running anything successful in addition to being
>genuinely dumb people.
>
>
>
>*that said, I think you underestimate the power of Obama.
>Sure the right's is able to put the idea out that most of
>America hates him but even among his enemies he's 'rational'
>even if its rationally evil, lol. Its becoming less about
>"Obama did" (insert commonsense act that they think is fucked
>up here) and more "Those assholes in the house/senate don't
>stop him!"
>
>**any black/latino knew that this mythical middle class
>started disappearing around the crack era. THANKS REAGAN.



I mean ^^^^^

because nobody turns out on voting day like they did for Obama.

a recent poll done on foreign policy had Clinton being trusted more than any GOP candidate on dealing with foreign policy. That puts the independent vote clearly in her column. I think this was the driving force behind putting her in the Secretary of State position in the first place. Gives her the credibility on the terrorism question.

The GOP candidates and the potential GOP nominee wont be able to outflank her on without trying to convince the voting public that a full scale war is the only way to defeat isis and terrorism. The unpopularity of the Iraq and Afghanistan war is still on this country's mind and that narrative wont fly in the General election. The coalition of help from neighboring countries to help defeat isis is something the current administration already supports. So they wont be able to win the argument or control the narrative of terrorism without looking like the war mongering tyrant which this country wont accept as its next President.

Also, regardless of what the GOP says, their platform can be picked apart with a fine tooth comb and they will look more out of step with the American public.

Clinton is no perfect candidate by far. She will have to overcome the natural Clinton general mistrust issue and the Bible Belt states who still have a problem with a woman being President in this country. Plus her age will also be brought up by a desperate GOP to paint her as too old to be commander in chief. She's going to have a few obstacles next year to get there. But she benefits from the other side not having a strong enough contender that can outflank her on anything. I think Rubio's profile has the best chance of giving her a run for her money because of his age and ethnicity. But Bush and Cruz knocking him down has given her camp enough information to paint him as an absentee voting member of Congress and his flip flop on immigration wont play well with Latinos. But he still remains the GOP best shot of taking back the White House.

Clinton just needs to take Obamas ground game and database and duplicate it and she shouldn't have a problem barring any unforeseen controversy that might pop up.

>Clinton is no perfect candidate by far. She will have to
>overcome the natural Clinton general mistrust issue and the
>Bible Belt states who still have a problem with a woman being
>President in this country. Plus her age will also be brought
>up by a desperate GOP to paint her as too old to be commander
>in chief. She's going to have a few obstacles next year to
>get there. But she benefits from the other side not having a
>strong enough contender that can outflank her on anything. I
>think Rubio's profile has the best chance of giving her a run
>for her money because of his age and ethnicity. But Bush and
>Cruz knocking him down has given her camp enough information
>to paint him as an absentee voting member of Congress and his
>flip flop on immigration wont play well with Latinos. But he
>still remains the GOP best shot of taking back the White
>House.
>
>Clinton just needs to take Obamas ground game and database and
>duplicate it and she shouldn't have a problem barring any
>unforeseen controversy that might pop up.


This is powerful posting^^^^^^

The problem with the Repugs is the candidates that can actually beat Clinton ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE NOMINATION....

Repub. are too busy eating themselves to notice that they have candidates that could potentially beat Hill Dawg,,,,But their racist, fearful, pissed off base wants BLOOD....

And u can only go so far with CRAZY ASS candidates like Trump and Cruz....

in retrospect, failed miserably at their last job is .....the front runner for the Dem nomination.
i don't think ppl realize how bad the candidates on both sides really are
(assuming bernie is basically an idealistic pipedream at this point)

this election is basically a case study in selecting between the lesser of two evils and that should galvanize ppl to get out there and try to minimize the spread of poverty and war mongering that is sure to continue for the next 4-8 yrs
as best we can

thanks, I guess this is what hit me last night

what a failure this administration's foreign policy has been

"breh a establishment entrenched war hawk backed by big money who"
in retrospect, failed miserably at their last job is .....the front runner for the Dem nomination.
i don't think ppl realize how bad the candidates on both sides really are
(assuming bernie is basically an idealistic pipedream at this point)
this election is basically a case study in selecting between the lesser of two evils and that should galvanize ppl to get out there and try to minimize the spread of poverty and war mongering that is sure to continue for the next 4-8 yrs
as best we can"

and to add on to some actual policy being in the debate last night

I heard some of Bern's talk about the disappearnce of our middle class coming out of the Donald's mouth

I think maybe the GOP sat him down, and now we're going to see actual policy be his focus

not just bombastic rhetoric

another reason I think the Dems are in trouble

is their debate schedule

they have 3 national debates...?

The GOP is on TV daily

debating monthly

as far as coverage, Dems have damn near made themselves irrelevant

because the repub candidates all appear to be much worse than Hillary
last night's debate was mellow
i agree that trump and paul seemed to be logical in regards to the middle east......but what about everything else?
foreign policy is only 1 of a host of issues. and it's probably the thing that's not going to change that much going forward

if you're logical on 1 thing and crazy on 4 others you are still crazy

>if you're logical on 1 thing and crazy on 4 others you are
>still crazy


BAM....^^^^

yeah, that's the other thing that hit me last night

felt like they were walking back flat out crazy

and actually got into debating

I damn near passed out at Fiorina's response where she detailed how to leverage China

I can't stand ol' girl, but that answer was incredible

I guess it feels like they are galvanizing behind specific platforms

with the inteniton of defeating Hillary

and all of these debates are almost testers for how people will receive their arguments

i.e. building a wall, muslim ban, etc...

sounded crazy as shit

but now the discussion is actually evolving into how to enhance the background process

how to provide a path to citizenship for desireables

etc...

they're basically running practices and scrimmages for a year and a half

while the Dems are sitting on the sidelines

they've completely highjacked the entire political cycle

with the craziness

now they're turning to substance

and I think the Dems are going to be left behind

until the general election that is

could be too late.

= Dems are blowing it.

I think the Benghazi movie is going to hurt Hillary

I can hear the Reps already using it...'remember those heroes in 13 hours that she let die'...something like that

but I really don't understand the saturday night debate schedule

they're already washed out of the news cycle comparatively

w/only a handful of debates, they're scheduled on saturday night

= WTF

nobody's watching that shyte.

Hillary is not being challenged, at all

she's on cruise control

when she's on stage with a Rep candidate tearing her a new one, I don't think she'll be able to hold her composure

imagine if the Donald is the Rep nominee

you think he's not going to bring up Monica?

bwahahaha, it's going to be ugly.

>= Dems are blowing it.
>
>I think the Benghazi movie is going to hurt Hillary

Trump just came out and gushed about having Putin's support....And people have been doing Nazi greetings at his rallies (no joke...there's actual footage of this...)

I think when the general public thinks of Benghazi, they think of how Hill Dawg mopped the floor with the Republicans during that embarrassing cross examination....lol

Clinton and her team r more concerned with the email bullshit than the Right's Benghazi Fever Dream....

BTW....if I ever find myself in a foxhole with u during an all out war I will just kiss my ass goodbye....lol

get real..the email shit either...but mofos aint forgot the last GOP collapse that really hit home....911...$5 gas, housing collapse, auto collapse, banking collapse...edit..lest not forget high unemployment..fk the GOP

from Isis and Chinese cyber attacks...blah, blah, blah

fam, the shyte writes itself

they

are

F'N

blowing it

BIG TIME

I'm confused...

Are u saying H. Clinton is a shit candidate (that would be your opinion and I have NO issue with that) or r u saying that she is going to lose against Trump or Cruz?

That's the only question that really matters: Will Hillary Clinton lose in a general election against Trump and Cruz.....?

Having the belief that a candidate or national party (the Dems) is highly flawed and untrustworthy (Clinton) is one thing...

Pitting that same candidate against the head-shaking likes of Trump or Cruz is quite another...

Because if u think H. Clinton will get beat in a general election by Trump or Cruz, I have to question your political acumen or at the very least common sense....

most of my replies in this thread are IRT strategy

what is baffling to me today, is the Dems plan

it's starting to feel like they are trying to protect HRC

from getting molly whopped in a prime time debate

I don't see any other advantage to a saturday debate schedule

it's Friday, and the Rep debate from Tuesday is still dominating the news cycle

come Monday, nobody's going to give a F about what will be said on saturday

the polls are out there if you're into that kind of thing

and I believe she's a loser vs Rubio and Carson as of today (which speaks for itself)

but as you pointed out with your Trump and Cruz reply

you can't even say who is going to be the nominee on that side

and if you watch the debates

the Rep candidates are specifically addressing Hillary by name

and, IMO, there has been an evolution from dog barking to actual policy (or what feels like could be policy) on that side

I think the Reps strategy of having +10 candidates

a JV debate, ahead of the headlining debate, etc...

is working in their favor to date

while the Dems have made themselves damn near completely irrelevant

how is that a benefit when it's time for the presidential debates?

she's not being attacked, at all

and on the Dem side, it's really close to not even being an actual debate anymore

when she gets punched in the face for the first time vs a Rep nominee, I don't think she'll be able to just brush it off.

U sound like u r living in a FOX bubble....lol

I don't think you understand how this usually works....

The few debate cycles as it pertains to Presidential Republican debates have increasingly gone further to the right over the last 7 years.....

But what's happening now is a tipping point for the GOP....They are now being led by a reality show star and billionaire who has shitted on everyone from Latinos, blacks, and women to Muslims. Now given the hysteria we are in right now, his CRAZY TALK on banning Muslims from the country is being fueled by public fear. But the majority of US voters are giving Trump and crew the side-eye even during these Islamaphobia times...

Basically, in order to become president you need to be able to show independents and the middle that you are NOT CRAZY...Trump and Cruz, so far, are def. turning on the conservative base (Ted) and those Storm Front type racists (The Donald) who are now coming out of the shadows. But you have to realize how this looks to the rest of the country....

Even with a "level headed" candidate like Romney, the Repugs had a hard enough time winning the electoral votes. Now they are being led by one guy who shits on the fastest rising voters in the country (Latinos) and a dude who makes Barry Goldwater look like a moderate....lol...U can't win the Presidency with just aging white people voting for you....

Nah dog...You need to bone up on this shit before u start running around with your hair on fire....Like I said the only think that will knock Hillary Clinton out is those emails....And even that is small change at this point....

If the Repugs had a sensible candidate going against Hill Dawg you would have a point...

But...u know the rest....

did you forget hill dawgs woman status??? not only that but...911 was under bush watch..which led to his dumb ass invading iraq...which created isis....niggas know whats poppin...not to mention all the other shit mentioned above,,,nobody lettin them GOP clowns back in office,,,,

yeah, but it shouldn't be hard to see the other side's angle

the spin on Hillary is really easy, and I'm concerned that she's not being challenged

AT ALL

in the Dems process

you keep talking about Bush

you do realize the leading candidates today on the Reps side are

2 first term senators and 2 private citizens w/no political experience

Hillary is easier to implicate in everything you just typed

maybe you didn't realize that

because nobody on the Dem side is challenging her on anything

?

is about....only a teaspoon of milf is actually riding with that...

re-elected

they totally dropped the ball

and have been getting bent over a barrell ever since w/rep control of the house and the senate

the Dem strategy thus far is starting to remind me alot of that mid-term cycle

= absent.

?

umm, Benghazi was a tragedy that did happen while she was secretary of state, correct?

that tragedy, whether she acted criminally or not, is part of her record as SOS

we definitely give a fuck.

>?
>
>umm, Benghazi was a tragedy that did happen while she was
>secretary of state, correct?
>
>that tragedy, whether she acted criminally or not, is part of
>her record as SOS
>
>we definitely give a fuck.


U not that well versed in the whole Benghazi saga r u....?

The fact that u said "whether she acted criminally" makes me think that u r trolling....Hillary Clinton is a lot of things....But her issues have nothing to do with the Right Wing, trumped up WET DREAM that is Benghazi...

Those emails? That's something that deserves a discussion if you were a Right Winger intent on going after ol girl. Benghazi already has been dismissed when they gave up the goods that it was a political witch hunt designed to hurt Clinton's Presidential ambitions...

But yeah...I think u fucking with us...lol

a US Ambassador killed on 9/11 = 'murica cares

>a US Ambassador killed on 9/11 = 'murica cares

U r acting like Chicken Little.....

Again, H. Clinton has her issues. But Benghazi ain't one of them....When people tuned in to see how ol girl kick their ass through 11 hours of trumped up conspiracy theories, that's all she needed for the American public to see that the BENGHAZI STORY (and not just the hearing) was a farce...

Again, I would co-sign your SKY IS FALLING routine a little bit more if you just stuck to the things that r truly problematic for Clinton: like her trust issues in the polls and those emails....

But the problem with that whole trust/ likability thing with H. Clinton? Trump's poll numbers in the likability department are even worse....lol....He has the most LYING ASS moments out of any candidate this season....Fact checkers have been partying off of his run....

So yeah...If Hillary were running against someone who could capitalize on her "issues" u would be in the right to be freaking out.

But it's the Donald & Ted show....That says it all....

By letting out through their failed House Speaker nominee, Rep Kevin McCarthy, that Benghazi was mainly politically motivated and when the 11 hour marathon hearing with Hillary failed to get their gotcha moment.

Also they already did the hyperbolic, 'damning' anti Democrat Presidential candidate movie in 2012 when they released the Anti Obama movie 3 months before the election. Movie had no effect on the election and Obama won anyway.

And if Repubs are hanging their hopes on Trump as the nominee and a debater, they have no chance. Hillary is already went through a battle tested Presidential campaign in 2008 and knows how to debate and keep her composure. If she didn't lose her composure in that 11 hour Benghazi hearing a few months ago in that Repub bees nest, they have no shot in a 1-1/2 hour debate setting.


And the Monica issue will have ZERO impact on a voter inside the voting booth in November 2016. Bill is STILL the most well liked and skilled orator the Dems have and he left office in 2001 with a 57 approval rating AFTER the Monica incident.

Hillary is still top dog against ALL the GOP candidates and with the economy improving under Obama it only helps her.

Fact is none of the GOP candidate have the political resume or skill to outflank her. Clinton's mission will be to duplicate Obamas ground game, which the GOP couldnt stop with BETTER GOP Presidential candidates in McCain and Romney in the last 2 elections. GOP have a better shot at trying to get a Veto Proof Congress, which is a scarier proposition, than getting back the White House with the existing Repub candidates.

>Fact is none of the GOP candidate have the political resume or
>skill to outflank her. Clinton's mission will be to duplicate
>Obamas ground game, which the GOP couldnt stop with BETTER GOP
>Presidential candidates in McCain and Romney in the last 2
>elections. GOP have a better shot at trying to get a Veto
>Proof Congress, which is a scarier proposition, than getting
>back the White House with the existing Repub candidates.


This^^^^^

And like I said, H. Clinton is flawed just everyone else...The difference though is the clowns on the other side are a walking shit show....lol

--i still do

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html

The poll, however, suggests Clinton faces a stiff challenge from each of three Republicans at the top of the field. She narrowly tops Donald Trump within the poll's margin of sampling error, 49% to 47%, in a hypothetical general election matchup. But she falls behind Ted Cruz by 2 points (Cruz 48% to Clinton 46%, a shift since last month when Cruz trailed Clinton 50% to 47%) and 3 points behind Marco Rubio (49% Rubio to 46% Clinton). Among independent voters, Clinton trails Rubio and Cruz by 12 points each, while running even with Trump

>--i still do
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html
>
>The poll, however, suggests Clinton faces a stiff challenge
>from each of three Republicans at the top of the field. She
>narrowly tops Donald Trump within the poll's margin of
>sampling error, 49% to 47%, in a hypothetical general election
>matchup. But she falls behind Ted Cruz by 2 points (Cruz 48%
>to Clinton 46%, a shift since last month when Cruz trailed
>Clinton 50% to 47%) and 3 points behind Marco Rubio (49% Rubio
>to 46% Clinton). Among independent voters, Clinton trails
>Rubio and Cruz by 12 points each, while running even with
>Trump

>--i still do
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html
>
>The poll, however, suggests Clinton faces a stiff challenge
>from each of three Republicans at the top of the field. She
>narrowly tops Donald Trump within the poll's margin of
>sampling error, 49% to 47%, in a hypothetical general election
>matchup. But she falls behind Ted Cruz by 2 points (Cruz 48%
>to Clinton 46%, a shift since last month when Cruz trailed
>Clinton 50% to 47%) and 3 points behind Marco Rubio (49% Rubio
>to 46% Clinton). Among independent voters, Clinton trails
>Rubio and Cruz by 12 points each, while running even with
>Trump

In another poll just few days ago, Clinton was beating Trump by 7 points...

The only two candidates that have always been tied with her or slightly beating her r Cruz and Rubio...And guess what? Rubio is struggling to even stay in 4th place while Cruz is basically Goldwater 2.0 waiting to happen...

The Republican base are in a word stupid...If they were to get behind Rubio he would be their best bet to beat Clinton. But that ain't gonna happen...

but since the GOP base is now insane they cant even hear it



>>--i still do
>>
>>http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html
>>
>>The poll, however, suggests Clinton faces a stiff challenge
>>from each of three Republicans at the top of the field. She
>>narrowly tops Donald Trump within the poll's margin of
>>sampling error, 49% to 47%, in a hypothetical general
>election
>>matchup. But she falls behind Ted Cruz by 2 points (Cruz 48%
>>to Clinton 46%, a shift since last month when Cruz trailed
>>Clinton 50% to 47%) and 3 points behind Marco Rubio (49%
>Rubio
>>to 46% Clinton). Among independent voters, Clinton trails
>>Rubio and Cruz by 12 points each, while running even with
>>Trump
>
>In another poll just few days ago, Clinton was beating Trump
>by 7 points...
>
>The only two candidates that have always been tied with her or
>slightly beating her r Cruz and Rubio...And guess what? Rubio
>is struggling to even stay in 4th place while Cruz is
>basically Goldwater 2.0 waiting to happen...
>
>The Republican base are in a word stupid...If they were to get
>behind Rubio he would be their best bet to beat Clinton. But
>that ain't gonna happen...

up with a euphemism for dumb AF people.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Fox is treating a movie like a documentary...'finally we have the truth...etc...'

anybody willing to concede and accept their L

a couple of weeks from the primaries

Trump is still the headline

HRC is losing ground daily

and he hasn't even really taken the gloves off yet

she won't win Vermont

if she loses Iowa...

? HRC might not even be the DEM nominee...AGAIN = blowing it ?

got anymore forecasts about Trump's percentage of a percentage blah blah blah not being enough to win the nomination, etc...

still think he's a Billary plant?

still think his candidacy is some ploy?

L.

way too much stock is put in those first few states.

I'm not even a Hillary fan but I'm sure they studied to loss to Obama and realized the primaries isn't a sprint.

as far as Trump is concerned. Nah, I still think he is a plant.

how many times have the polls got it wrong these last few years. If Nate Silver said it then yeah, believe it. However, Fox News stays fucking up polls for their viewers because it makes for good TV. Then after a person loses by 25 points they spend days wondering why it was wrong and voters sit in front of the tv angry as Shit.

13 Hours isn't going to change anyone's vote either. Anyone going to watch that movie wasn't going to vote for Hillary any way so who gives a shit.

you watch too much Fox News bruh... of course they are going to talk like that movie is a game changer. If Hillary loses its because people don't like her. It won't be over a movie. It wil be because she is a Clinton and people are tired of her face.

But it damn sure won't be Trump. I think Rubio is the nominee. Dude looks like the perfect candidate to get latino voters.

let's be real, people also said Will Smith's movie Concussion was going to rock the NFL...

I think you need to actually wait until Iowa results come in before thumping your chest and holding up the trophy.

This will be an epic L of Trump comes in 3rd.

seriously, are you okay?

LOL, you can't even see it

re-read the replies in this post

and you will see the goal posts move in front of your very eyes

LOL @coming in 3rd

AGAIN

Trump wasn't expected to last through the summer

yet here we are

weeks before the primaries

and he's the front runner

mentioned in the SOTU and rebuttal

while HRC continues to lose ground

AGAIN

she's not even really being attacked

but the more she gets exposure, the more she is exposed

FTR, I peeped FOX after the SOTU

I find it infuriating all of the glad handing, and congratulatory responses to an hour of rhetoric

congrats on stabilizing the econonmy

while increasing the number of people living in poverty

^^^ both things can be true

they also had surviving family members of the benghazi attacks on air

and they were treating 13 hours like a documentary

felt like they were exploiting the mother

and she went full on...HRC lied, BHO lied, Susan Rice lied...yeah

pretty much the way I thought it would go down

The problem is to some on the left she's still seen as an establishment candidate (rightfully so). Bernie has a MUCH more galvanized base. The problem is that the base isn't big enough, yet, to overcome the fact that many on the left feel he's too old and too liberal to win.

It doesn't escape the fact that...

Trump vs Hilary = Hilary wins
Trump vs Bernie = polls are now showing even Bernie wins

I spoke to a repub friend of mine where his fox fanned vitrol against Hilary would have him voting for BERNIE over a hypothetical 3 way...still not Trump.

On the flipside Proposition 8 in Cali showed all it takes is a galvanized base and a sleeping opposition to push through legislation that most of their voting population didn't agree with.

The thing is the Trump show is so big when shit gets real and he wins the Republican nomination 'Anybody but Trump' is going to be a rallying cry.

>The problem is to some on the left she's still seen as an
>establishment candidate (rightfully so). Bernie has a MUCH
>more galvanized base. The problem is that the base isn't big
>enough, yet, to overcome the fact that many on the left feel
>he's too old and too liberal to win.
>
>It doesn't escape the fact that...
>
>Trump vs Hilary = Hilary wins
>Trump vs Bernie = polls are now showing even Bernie wins
>
>I spoke to a repub friend of mine where his fox fanned vitrol
>against Hilary would have him voting for BERNIE over a
>hypothetical 3 way...still not Trump.
>
>On the flipside Proposition 8 in Cali showed all it takes is a
>galvanized base and a sleeping opposition to push through
>legislation that most of their voting population didn't agree
>with.

>The thing is the Trump show is so big when shit gets real and
>he wins the Republican nomination 'Anybody but Trump' is going
>to be a rallying cry.



First rate posting!!!!!^^^^^^^

And just to add, Bernie and Trump are the perfect candidates for the political storm that we are in...But the further we get people on both sides of their parties will sober up....They don't want another Gene McCarthy (Bernie) or a Barry Goldwater (Trump/Cruz).....

They will be willing to back their FAVE until shit gets real (for the Dems that's South Carolina...For the Repugs...it's much further down the line because that party is involved in a civil war right now....)

>seriously, are you okay?

I'm good. Are YOU ok?

turn Fox news off man, shit got you all flustered.

I will admit I thought Trump would drop out by now but its still early.

here's your L

good to see you assemble some sort of rationality

I know people bash FOX news

and FTR, I don't watch it

like I said, I wanted to get their response to the SOTU

and also watch them eat shit with the Iran/Navy crisis aversion

I do watch a lot of news

and they ALL ARE BIASED

it's easy to bash FOX

but you're kidding yourself if you don't think the other outlets are just as biased

..and you keep referencing Fox News so that's the only reason I brought it up.

Unless Nate Silver has a poll I wouldn't waste time using them as proof of anything.

recent polls have been off by 10 to 20 points in some elections. They aren't reliable at all.

so this is a bit off topic, but striking me as a strange reply for a couple of reasons

to begin with, I only referred to something that I saw on Fox news today

you can re-read the replies (think I said this already)

but I think it's reply 318 that is the first example where I'm being called a fox news hound, living in a fox news bubble, etc...

damn near everything I replied in this post was my own interpretation of what I was seeing first hand in the campaign cycle

and I was predicting what I thought would be the course

like I said, it shouldn't be hard to see the angle the other side would be taking

i.e. Trump bringing up Bill/Monica, the benghazi film being used for propaganda, etc...

but what I'm wondering is...how would you know?

that is, if I'm to assume YOU NEVER watched fox news

how could you reference it in a reply...i.e. me thinks you watch fox news yourself

like I said, if you think other media outlets aren't equally biased

whether it coincides with your personal views or not

you're kidding yourself.

talk to you manana, after the debate

but this was years ago...

I was really into MSNBC, CNN, FOXNews but realized most of it is agenda driven and the polls rarely get it right.

Fox News is obviously the worst, especially when it comes to facts. They missed on the last election so bad it was comical.

I also used to listen to Hannity and conservative radio because the call ins were entertaining for a minute...

but then it got to the point where I was sounding like you are in here.

He's right though...Those first two states are Hella WHITE and hardcore when it comes to activism.....

The race really begins in SC....If Clinton loses THAT? Shit, it's over for her....

were watching it or some other ridiculous number.

It's all they could talk about.

One guy is in the background talking about, "YEAH, He's still leading, but if he wins the nomination, he's probably gonna have run against that bitch!"


Other Guy: "I think she is going to lose to that guy, you know um Sanders..."


Guy I'm talking to: "Naw, he won't win, he's a socialist. This country isn't ready for that. In Italy, he'd win, but not here."


Gotta love the Bronx.

Smh

it's who that party is.

He wants to BE president, but not the actual weight of the job.

But he's driven by all this attention, and doesn't know quite how (or if) to let go.

A few losses may sober him up.

Be the "face" of the company, provide the "vision", do the press conferences, give the soundbites, then when it comes to the actual daily grind, delegate to the people who know the real nuts and bolts. And, as I kind alluded to waaaaay back in post #72, he's treated this process like he's lead up to the new season of "The Apprentice."

But it's not like that, and securing the nomination and getting elected to the job is as easy as giving snappy soundbites. Almost a year of ground work and one-liners and debates and Fox & Friends appearances has lead him to this: an election in one state, with a weak second place finish, where if given the choice, 3 out of 4 members of your party choose someone else. And now that shapes the narrative.

So yeah, a couple more second or third place finishes, and he'll get sick of it and fold.

Marathon, not a sprint.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/donald-trump-twitter-accuses-ted-cruz-fraud-iowa

Both of these could have never been more wrong

1. Trump's brand recognition has gone THROUGH THE ROOF! Even with him being a misogynist disparaging women ON TV, getting into Twitter beefs with the Popes. Being an out and out RACIST against muslims and Mexicans. Cursing on TV. The list goes on and on.

After each event his base gets STRONGER

2. Jeb spent $130,000,000 on his campaign and failed. I'd be surprised if Trump has spent even $13M thus far. I know he spends pretty much NO money on getting votes. Trumps fortune is actually GROWING because of this POTUS campaign.

*archive*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT3OQwyvKmk

heaven help us.

Kind of funny to scroll through these threads and see how the Ls are piling up for the hardcore Hil supporters.

Went from "no way, this isn't even going to be close" to armchair demographic analysis to "well its all about the battleground states" to...now what?

At the end of the day, the Dems anointed the wrong candidate.

If she loses or if this is close-

Folks can't (shouldn't) blame Bernie, Bernie Bros, the media, voters, Jill Stein or anyone else.

The Dems have given no substantial reason, to the typical Murican voter, to vote for Hil other than "not Trump" and while it should be enough, this is Murica.



This should be a lock for the Dems. Problem is, not only did they anoint a very disliked candidate...they selected a candidate that can't even authentically align with a very popular sitting president.

Most people not drinking the kool aid remember '08, the Trump campaign certainly does.

She also has a reputation (right/wrong/who cares) of being a do-whatever-it-takes to win.

I don't know anyone outside of Okay-believe-what-I-have-to-in-order-to-feel-better-about-this-player who truly thinks Hil is an extension or an ally in any way of Obama.

She can't even truly capitalize on Obama's popularity. She is the wrong candidate any way you look at this.

I'm not even talking about Bernie, because he wasn't the right candidate either, frankly. Murica isn't ready for Socialist and all that.

Its pretty clear it was Hil's turn no matter what- even if it meant losing. If it wasn't for Bern, she wouldn't have had a primary at all.

Hell seems like Obama had more resistant in '12 in a way.

The Dem party just isn't good at what it is supposed to do- and that's win elections.

Think about it. The Repubs are running Oompa-Loompa no-taxes Hitler and he would win if the election was held today.

Unreal.

"Not Trump" just isn't enough to get folks amped. Especially the youngins.

The Dems should have had an actual primary and hopefully identified a better candidate. At least made it a contest.

Instead, they essentially crowned a candidate with who is not liked, not trusted, can't authentically align with a popular sitting president, can't authentically go after big biz, etc etc.

And now if the election was held today, it would be President Donald Trump. Jesus Chr!st.

so who cares about what would happen if it were today?

well, i don't care about what would happen if the election were held today b/c it's NOT being held today. also, the nerd who made that 'prediction' has been changing it all day since that original story was published and copied by other reporters.

i definitely didn't think the GOP would allow Trump's thing to go on this long and i figured the party would do SOMETHING to stop this whole thing b4 it got this far. i'm stunned that it didn't happen. i'm stunned that so many Americans lined up to express support for such hateful bullshit. but here it is.

i'm also continually stunned by all of this Hillary hate. it's thoroughly illogical - i don't get it. i don't have enough problems w/her to even consider voting for anyone else who's run during this entire season going back to January 2015. it's been easy for me the entire time. i actually like the woman as a potential POTUS. i think my favorite thing about her as POTUS is the way she's listened, admitted fault and either demonstrated her changed mind or made credible promises to act on her changed mind. like that 'super predator' thing (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/25/hillary-clinton-responds-to-activist-who-demanded-apology-for-superpredator-remarks/?utm_term=.e419a61e9a78). like that gay marriage thing (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/). and as for whatever she said about Obama in 2008 when he was her OPPONENT in a primary season...clearly there's no actual bad blood b/c he extended an invitation for her to join his cabinet in a high level position as Secretary of State and she accepted it. but before that she had campaigned for him in 2008 after she had conceded. and now in 2016 Obama and his wife have both campaigned fiercely for her.

at this point i think the ppl who still hate Hillary have some reason for hating her that's not about logic. i don't know what it is. i don't care either b/c i don't work for her and it's not my job to heal the ppl who hate her so much they're willing to actually vote in a manner that will hurt their own interests. or that they'd even consider it. i don't understand this level of hate and i don't have to. i give up.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

Hilldawg supporters like

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

Maybe now people will step outside of their bubble.

this is me standing among Hillary supporters.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

this nigga bout to have the nuclear football b...
it's a wrap

It's like one long Public Enemy album playing in my head right now, or better yet we go from nice happy house tunes to some death metal music.

I got tired of seeing the news around 9pm so I go to sleep and wake up around 1am to hearing about him leading, wtf?

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

I'm not a Trump fan in the slightest, but this should definitely get archived.

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