Former NFL Coach Tony Dungy Says He Wouldn't Have Drafted Michael Sam
The Huffington Post | By Ryan Grenoble
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Posted: 07/21/2014 2:16 pm EDT Updated: 2 hours ago

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Former NFL coach Tony Dungy has a Super Bowl ring on his finger, but he wouldn't want Michael Sam, the NFL's first openly gay player, on his team.

In an interview published Sunday in the Tampa Bay Tribune, Dungy didn't mince words when it came to discussing Sam, a defensive end drafted by the St. Louis Rams earlier this year. "I wouldn’t have taken him," Dungy said. "Not because I don’t believe Michael Sam should have a chance to play, but I wouldn’t want to deal with all of it."

"It’s not going to be totally smooth," he added, "things will happen."

Bold words for Dungy, the coach who took disgraced quarterback Michael Vick under his wing in 2010, after the former Eagles player served 18 months in federal prison for his role in a dog-fighting ring.

But there's yet more irony in Dungy's anti-Sam statement: CBS Sports points out Dungy wrote the foreword for a book on discrimination and opportunity in the NFL.

As the NFL's first African-American head coach to win the Super Bowl, an accomplishment he earned in 2007 when his Indianapolis Colts beat the Chicago Bears, Dungy likely knows a thing or two about dealing with discrimination in the NFL.
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the subject of a story posted on the Internet?

whoa!

something's afoot. something's troubling!

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Bc the comments posted in response to internet postings are fairly useless and can result in me developing a skewed idea of how ppl are reacting to whatever I just read or watched. Plus they're usually full of comments that trouble me for various reasons. So I tend to ignore them.

the kind of mindset that contribute to the dialog on a particular topic.
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Good for you.

I don't think that's true at all. I think most people will only take the time to comment on a news story if they have very strong feelings about it. And so you end up with comments from the extremes. You don't get comments from the silent majority of people who read something and say "whatever"

I think the same tends to be true for online reviews of restaurants, hotels, etc. You don't get a sense of the average experience because the only people who will bother to submit a comment either had a great experience or a horrible experience.

I think online comments often do a bad job of representing the full spectrum of opinions on any issue. It's an example of 'selection bias.'

That's a good way of looking at it. Thanks! Internet comments tend to bother me, especially when dealing with politics & race(nationality).

:) Ski :(

you do realise the comment sections on website is where the universe takes a shit yes?

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don't put too much stock in 'em.

And with internet comments people are very honest because they speak from positions of protection.


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first


there is some(more) accountability here on this message board

it is not truely annonymous like the bottom of internet news article. there is no accountability, so take the trolling and inflammatory remarks made here specifically to provoke a reaction, and crank it up to about 1000%




secondly, would you present a topic to some other group you interact with and use opinions expressed here to represent "them"?

them being a larger group and not " the denizens of okayplayer"?

People on here act a pure fool while posting, but when you see them in person they are all the way turned down.

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Dungy is veiling his homophobia here, no surprise.

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i think he's saying he wouldn't have drafted homeboy b/c he wouldn't wanna take on all of the extra trappings that come w/Sam. as a coach i can see him hesitating - b/c w/all the appreciation and attention Sam might be less coachable than if he didn't have the attention. not unlike Tim Tebow or Johnny Manziel - i'd understand a coach hesitating to take them on for similar reasons.

and underneath all of that there's more phobia - the generalized fears about teammates and execs and fans and sponsors responding negatively to Sam being part of the team. that part is less reasonable.

>i think he's saying he wouldn't have drafted homeboy b/c he
>wouldn't wanna take on all of the extra trappings that come
>w/Sam. as a coach i can see him hesitating - b/c w/all the
>appreciation and attention Sam might be less coachable than if
>he didn't have the attention. not unlike Tim Tebow or Johnny
>Manziel - i'd understand a coach hesitating to take them on
>for similar reasons.
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>and underneath all of that there's more phobia - the
>generalized fears about teammates and execs and fans and
>sponsors responding negatively to Sam being part of the team.
>that part is less reasonable.

While that certainly has logical merit, it's also bending
to a repressed viewpoint on sexuality in professional sports.

Also, I don't buy it from an effective strategic/coaching standpoint.
If you believed that Sam was the best available linebacker/fit for your team at the late stage in the draft (when he was taken) - yet
chose somebody else (whom perhaps didn't fit your team's needs as mucha s Sam would) - then you are making a bad football/executive decision based on (an arguably reasonable) phobia.



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any logic used to analyze this story.

I think what drives Dungy stance isn't purely about homophobia.

Decades ago, they'd be saying the same shit about him being a coach.

He can't sit there and tell me that of all the rapists, alcoholics, hard partiers, drug addicts, injury laden, woman beaters and overall violent dudes that come through the NFL, he draws the line at "this guy that happens to love guys".

Nope. A shit ton of the NFL does media, which is a huge distraction in the first place. It's why he's surrounded by microphones the whole time.

There's not many sports reporters worth their salt that will go up there in a post game and ask if "Micheal Sam's performance was due to the gayness" or some shit like that.

He's making up shit in his head.

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i already said how i feel about this in you fb post.

but there really is no way Dungy can take this stance and not be hypocritical. and as an ex-leader high profile representative of the the sport, he is being destructive.

And the uncoachable tag can be conveniently applied to any NFL player with media attention so that logic is slippery.

He was asking teams to take a dog murderer despite the distraction.

Guess murdering dogs is better in the eyes of The Lord than being gay. (It probably is, all snark aside.)

Regardless, him saying it's "because of the distraction" after he advocated for Michael Vick because teams were scared away by that potential distraction shows he's not against Sam because of the distraction-- it's because he's gay.

michael same is short, small, and slow for his position. its apples to oranges.

That kind of rust is a bit of a risk for an NFL team on top of the "distraction" (and I thought Vick deserved more of a second chance than, say, Rapistberger.

LOL...

He's a great coach but he's a dick.

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Has Dungy ever done anything to you?



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Also, that bullshit "a gay dude in the locker room would be a distraction" excuse too.

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they insisted on drafting sorry QB's and running back, while never addressing the defensive secondary. So I fired them!
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I find it funny how ugly people can become towards when dealing with differing opinions.

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>I find it funny how ugly people can become towards when
>dealing with differing opinions.

Welcome to the Internet, moron. It's been like that since it's invention.

And if those comments were the opposite of what they are now, it would be YOU who would be acting UGLY.

but...but...but....MICHEAL VICK!

i hate that shit.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

Dungy claims he wouldn't take on a player due to his non-football-related baggage but he took on a player w/more non-football-related baggage than most football players have ever had.

it's a fair point. b/c it exposes the phobia that lies below Dungy's statement.

He only mentored Vick in private.



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He was in favor of teams taking on that distraction. Why is this one so much worse?

But Dungy was in a Catbird Seat. He never had to make the decision to pick Vick up.

I'm glad that that he mentored Vick. He never said that he wouldn't mentor Sam.


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so it was a non-issue in the lockerroom

in a nutshell...


>so it was a non-issue in the lockerroom

He's afraid of what will happen when an openly gay player is welcomed into a NFL lockerroom.

That's not a good look for the coach.

michael vick can play football in the NFL, and had demonstrated that before going to prison?

michael sam has not. further, he's short and slow for his position, therefore the comparison of vick to sam is really not very good.

"michael sam has not."

Isn't that what his college career is for?
Isn't that what the combine is for (which he didn't look so good)?

What qualifies that he's ready to at least perform or grow in the NFL but that?

Even when Vick came back to the NFL he had to prove himself. They wasn't like "Oh Vick. Here's your position right here" like he just came back home from Iraq or some shit.

Yall killing me here.


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the point of the draft is to select players who you invite to your training camp, where they work hard to make the team. just because a person gets drafted doesnt mean they are assured a spot on the team.

it just so happens that those drafted first are more likely to make the team than those drafted in the mid- to late-rounds.

so the point here is that sam, as a 7th round draft pick has way more unknowns than vick and has to prove that he belongs in the league.

vick, already having been drafted and having played at the league at a high level, doesnt have to prove he belongs in the league (at least based on pure playing ability).

it's whether or not "distractions" are relevant to their future employer.

dungy thinks a former pro bowler coming off a bid for his involvement in killing dogs isn't too much of a distraction.

dungy thinks a reigning co-SEC DPOY who had a bad combine and is gay is too much of a distraction.

and that its totally about distraction, sam had a tv crew ready to follow him into make a reality show when he hasn't even made a team yet.

if you tell me that vick had the same thing going on, then i'll be more inclined to buy your argument.

is there a way to defend tony dungy that doesn't involve use of red herrings?

draftee accepts business opportunity that may interfere with his work in the NFL, prior to consulting his team. team objects. draftee terminates business opportunity to focus on football and comply with team's wishes.

wow. what a distraction.

>dungy thinks a reigning co-SEC DPOY who had a bad combine and
>is gay is too much of a distraction.

bad combine?
nobody even wanted to give dude national TV time which means he was a snoozefest
yall need to stopp trumpeting that co-DPOY like it means some shit
because in this instance, it dont
if you said co-HEISMAN then we'd be talkin

I GAYrontee you that if Sam was Famous Jameis level of good,
we would NOT be having this discussion right now
fact of matter is, Sam is Practice Squad caliber AT BEST

it's reverse homophobia.

another reason why Sam needs to man up and just bow out of this whole thing. and if he won't then the NFL needs to correct it. or the Rams' front office. Nike. Oprah. somebody has to stop this. it's just not right. too much will be wrong if Sam suits up as a member of the Rams in September.

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2003: Heisman - Jason White SECDPOY - Chad Lavalais
2004: Heisman - Matt Leinart SECDPOY - David Pollack
2005: Heisman - Reggie Bush SECDPOY - Demeco Ryans
2006: Heisman - Troy Smith SECDPOY - Patrick Willis
2007: Heisman - Tim Tebow SECDPOY - Glenn Dorsey
2008: Heisman - Sam Bradford SECDPOY - Eric Berry
2009: Heisman - Mark Ingram SECDPOY Rolando McClain
2010: Heisman - Cam Newton SECDPOY - Patrick Peterson
2011: Heisman - Robert Griffin 3 SECDPOY - Morris Claiborne
2012: Heisman - Johnny Manziel SECDPOY - Jarvis Jones
2013: Heisman - Jameis Winston SECDPOY - Michael Sam

Yeah. Not close. Stop talking.

>2003: Heisman - Jason White SECDPOY - Chad Lavalais
>2004: Heisman - Matt Leinart SECDPOY - David Pollack
>2005: Heisman - Reggie Bush SECDPOY - Demeco Ryans
>2006: Heisman - Troy Smith SECDPOY - Patrick Willis
>2007: Heisman - Tim Tebow SECDPOY - Glenn Dorsey
>2008: Heisman - Sam Bradford SECDPOY - Eric Berry
>2009: Heisman - Mark Ingram SECDPOY Rolando McClain
>2010: Heisman - Cam Newton SECDPOY - Patrick Peterson
>2011: Heisman - Robert Griffin 3 SECDPOY - Morris Claiborne
>2012: Heisman - Johnny Manziel SECDPOY - Jarvis Jones
>2013: Heisman - Jameis Winston SECDPOY - Michael Sam
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>Yeah. Not close. Stop talking.


You can't use 2012/2013 because they haven't played an NFL snap yet.
But I'd venture to say that the Heisman list kinda had better NFL outcomes than the DPOY list thus far.
Do you not agree?
I'm confused.

>But I'd venture to say that the Heisman list kinda had better
>NFL outcomes than the DPOY list thus far.
>Do you not agree?

No, of course I don't agree.

Them four alone did enough.
Bush got a ring.
But if you see it differently...

of those guys, by himself.

OK dude.

>"michael sam has not."
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>Isn't that what his college career is for?
>Isn't that what the combine is for (which he didn't look so
>good)?
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>What qualifies that he's ready to at least perform or grow in
>the NFL but that?
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>Even when Vick came back to the NFL he had to prove himself.
>They wasn't like "Oh Vick. Here's your position right here"
>like he just came back home from Iraq or some shit.
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>Yall killing me here.
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so ability isn't too relevant, is it?

point is that dungy would advocate on behalf of vick and tell GMs and coaches to ignore the "distractions" that employing a felon would bring, but wouldn't himself use a 7th round pick on a kid because of the "distractions" related to his sexuality.

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at all like so many predicted it would be when the eagles signed Vick

Primarily because Vick wasn't doing a lot of press/interviews his 1st season w/the eagles because he was focused on getting back in football shape and re-learning the QB position. He didn't seek media attention that season...at all

Sam, on the other hand, immediately embraced being a crusader for the LGBT cause and was speaking in front of cameras every chance he got...and had planned to do a tv show abt "his life" produced by Oprah...

You're trying to tell me the two are the same?

And Dungy wasn't just speaking of the media distraction in regards to Michael Sam, but the potential locker room distraction as well. That was also never the case in Vick's situation because 1.) most players didn't care as much as the mostly white dog lovers abt what he did - admitted it was awful but it was mainly white folx who were ready to nail him to a cross

2.) Many players had already come out publicly and said they had no problem w/having Vick as a teammate - in fact, many players from several teams said they wanted Vick as a teammate before he had signed w/the eagles..it was Mcnabb who lobbied to bring him to the eagles

Honestly, do you think the pct. of players who were hoping their team didn't draft Michael Sam vs the players who were hoping their team drafted him is greater or less?

i really don't see why this is so complicated.

once the CLEAR, CONSISTENT, UNCONFLICTING logic is applied to what dungy said his *personal philosophy* is when evaluating draft prospects and his vouching for a freed felon's emotional and mental state to TEAMS THAT ASKED FOR HIS GODDAMN OPINION of said freed felon...once we break that down, then what happens?

"oh, he christian tho and you know how THEY are"

that helps nothing, man.

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Y'all wouldn't tolerate it form me, so why should I not hold you to the same standard.

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He was literally telling teams to take a chance on Michael Vick, to not worry about the distraction.

Now he's worried about the distraction and says he wouldn't have drafted him.

It's not about "what Vick did wrong" here, it's about what Dungy did wrong. Not regarding advocating for Vick, but in claiming "distractions" are his problem with Sam.

Because all of what you just said is not an example of anything.

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Dungee's cover that his comments have nothing to do with homophibia, is that he'd be worried about the distractions that come along with taking a player that comes with too much media attention

It's a perfectly legit point, except he encouraged coaches to give Vick a chance despite the baggage/distractions/attention that would come along with it.

the fact that Vick actually *did* do something wrong, and Sam is just who he is makes Dungee look like even more of a hypocrite

but I'm sure you understood that when longo explained it, so this is pointless.

but he's really is?


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... because he pleaded for teams to ignore one player's distractions but would refuse to advocate for this player due to distractions...

... or it's not about distractions at all-- it's that Dungy doesn't feel gays deserve equal treatment to straight people, which makes him a homophobe and a liar.

He's either a homophobe or a hypocrite. Either way, it's not great.

by how he adheres and/or interprets his Christian principles?

And he's not being a hypocrite because he advocated for teams to sign Vick but would've passed on sam because it's a false equivalent

Let's not forget that this is partly abt talent, too, as much as it is abt Sam being the 1st openly gay player

And Michael Vick was once a superstar in the nfl before doing his bid and before going to prison was the highest paid player in the NFL - someone who could also put ppl in the seats.

His type of once-in-a-generation type talent was worth taking a chance on...

Sam is by no means the 2nd coming of Ray Lewis and isn't even a lock to make the Rams.

So perhaps Dungy wouldn't have drafted Sam because his talent level wouldn't have been worth the potential distraction

It's was the same for Tebow

If Tebow had Aaron Rodgers type talent, teams would've tolerated whatever distractions came along w/signing him...




>... because he pleaded for teams to ignore one player's
>distractions but would refuse to advocate for this player due
>to distractions...
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>... or it's not about distractions at all-- it's that Dungy
>doesn't feel gays deserve equal treatment to straight people,
>which makes him a homophobe and a liar.
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>He's either a homophobe or a hypocrite. Either way, it's not
>great.

He didn't have any problem with the distractions Tebow might provide. In fact, he thought Tebow would be a great NFL QB.

If Dungy had said he'd have passed on Sam due to talent, that wouldn't be nearly the issue this is. But he specifically said he's not passing on him due to talent, but due to distraction.

Idea of what kind of distraction Tebow would become for the Broncos

Dungy had publicly come out and endorsed Tebow leading up to the draft because he was impressed by his leadership and passion for the game. He stated w/o hesitation that if he had to choose between Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, and Jake Locker to be his starting QB that he would take Tebow ...

He said he believed Tebow would be a starting QB in the league when everyone else was saying he was at best a late 2nd or 3rd round pick

Now, while he didn't say Sam wasn't talented enough to at least get an opportunity to make an nfl roster, I'm sure he doesn't view Sam as a starting LB in the nfl and the predictions thus far are split down the middle on whether he'll even make the Rams' squad...so again, if Michael Sam is someone whose ability doesn't warrant the type of media attention he's going to receive, then for that readon I could see why he would've passed up on drafting Michael Sam...

>He didn't have any problem with the distractions Tebow might
>provide. In fact, he thought Tebow would be a great NFL QB.
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>If Dungy had said he'd have passed on Sam due to talent, that
>wouldn't be nearly the issue this is. But he specifically said
>he's not passing on him due to talent, but due to
>distraction.

That would have been incredibly easy and far less controversial and even would have had foundation in logic.

But he founded it in distraction, despite endorsing other players who come with hefty distraction. That's hypocrisy. Or a lie. Others can choose which.

>... because he pleaded for teams to ignore one player's
>distractions but would refuse to advocate for this player due
>to distractions...

he did not "plead" for teams to "ignore" vick's crimes or the "distraction." he was vick's mentor and advisor. teams that were interested in vick contacted dungy because they respected that man and his judgement of character. he was not acting as a football coach. he was not acting as a GM. he was basically giving a fucking job reference. he would have given vick that reference if vick had decided to pursue an entirely different career. but, since there were NFL TEAMS INTERESTED in signing vick, dungy vouched for vick's mental and emotional state in meetings with those teams. just as he said michael sam deserves a *chance* to play in the NFL, he felt vick deserved a *chance*...but if no one wanted to sign vick, fuck was dungy gonna do? protest?

>... or it's not about distractions at all-- it's that Dungy
>doesn't feel gays deserve equal treatment to straight people,
>which makes him a homophobe and a liar.

you would think this point was be countered by him saying that he believes sam deserves the opportunity to play, but SOMEHOW...it's not enough. the only way for him to not be a homophobe and liar here is to say "yes, i'd absolutely take him, despite my personal philosophy and track record of not drafting players who invite distraction, no matter what that distraction might be."

>He's either a homophobe or a hypocrite. Either way, it's not
>great.

he's still tony dungy...the man with the same fuckin principles that was near universally respected not more than a few days ago.

the thing about outrage is that people can lose sight of what they even believe in and shit all over a human being that's ACTUALLY *FAR MORE* decent than they could ever hope to be. i've seen that man called all kinds of shit and people are so busy being outraged that they letting some truly ugly shit slide. nah...not up in here.

all i'm saying is that for what he said initially and in his clarifications that followed, tony dungy doesn't deserve this bullshit.

I hope that people will read this response and take time to reflect on the facts, the man, and their responses.


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panels and think pieces on how disappointed people are in him... that he's a homophobe at worst, and a coward at best

palin/huckabee types will rush to his defense, on how this is just another example of our war on christian values, an freedom of speech, and how pc liberals are the true intolerant ones...

what else?

and the ensuing handwringing.

i imagine there'll be plenty of both.

wait. are you being sarcastic or is there an convo going about his son's suicide and if so, how is it relating to the sam comments?

..and i've shown nothing but respect for dungy over the years, but i vehemently disagree with his stance against on this issue.






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So miss me with that faux devil's advocate bullshit.

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Colts' Dungy: 'I embrace' same-sex marriage ban

preclude the natural rights of other citizens, and he thinks that sexual orientation makes someone a less worthy employee. That's textbook bigotry right there.

"he thinks that sexual orientation makes someone a less worthy employee."

When did Dungy say this?




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And by all accounts, Michael Sam is a hard worker and a leader. So he's gotta be talking about his sexual orientation when he talks about distractions.

I seriously worry for your congregation if this is the analytical power you bring to scripture.

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I mean the only time your posts isnt about the gheys is when you post about your son.

>I mean the only time your posts isnt about the gheys is when
>you post about your son.

^^^ OH this is Classing Crazy ^^^



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In the locker room" to cover for his real reason for why he wouldn't have drafted Sam which is because he condemns homosexuality as probably the majority of so-called "devout Christians" who openly or secretly believe that that lifestyle is an abomination...

But I do believe that Dungy is right when he says things will happen...because I believe a lot of players would prefer NOT to play w/Sam if given the choice but since we're in the midst of the most politically-correct times in this country, footballs players had to pretend they had no issue w/it for fear of being criticized publicly or having to attend some sensitivity class.

Sure some guys may not want to play with or against him but not that many. And those with issues are rightly under pressure to stfu about that shit.

automatically drops a few points especially when you're dealing w/issues of homosexuality and masculinity around a lot of young dudes who view homosexuality as some sort of affront to *their masculinity*.

Maybe nothing will happen but it won't surprise me one bit if a story(ies) surfaces how he's being ostracized by teammates or being picked on...

>Sure some guys may not want to play with or against him but
>not that many. And those with issues are rightly under
>pressure to stfu about that shit.

I think all of that varies wildly across teams. I say that after what I learned from players in the wake of the Dolphins controversy last yr. several players on more than one team said the kind of talk and shenanigans that we heard about in Miami wouldn't be tolerated in their lockerroom. Which says to me they're not all the same. It seems leadership sets the tone - players, coaches and execs. Sam was probably drafted by a team that will welcome him. Some of his opponents will try him and I expect his team will have his back.

Base

Yeah, some players did speak out against what was done and said in the Dolphins locker room but many, dare I say most, had no issue w/him because that behavior was more commonplace in locker rooms than the NFL cared to let on...but having the *1st* openly gay player in the locker room is a whole nother issue.


>I think all of that varies wildly across teams. I say that
>after what I learned from players in the wake of the Dolphins
>controversy last yr. several players on more than one team
>said the kind of talk and shenanigans that we heard about in
>Miami wouldn't be tolerated in their lockerroom. Which says to
>me they're not all the same. It seems leadership sets the tone
>- players, coaches and execs. Sam was probably drafted by a
>team that will welcome him. Some of his opponents will try him
>and I expect his team will have his back.

Bc an entire team could walk out bc of Sam. Fans may not buy tix. Sponsors might withhold support. The world is just not ready. Sam should just stop being gay. Or he should go play diving or tennis or some other sport where manliness isn't an issue or where there are fewer baffoons involved. Or he could just go become a home decorating expert. Or a ballet dancer. Something where the gays are tolerated. But only temporarily bc at some point all of this gay shit is gonna be shoved back in Pandora's box and the world will go back to normal like it was n the good ol days before political correctness and progressive movements.

Word up, player.

>Bc an entire team could walk out bc of Sam. Fans may not buy
>tix. Sponsors might withhold support. The world is just not
>ready. Sam should just stop being gay. Or he should go play
>diving or tennis or some other sport where manliness isn't an
>issue or where there are fewer baffoons involved. Or he could
>just go become a home decorating expert. Or a ballet dancer.
>Something where the gays are tolerated. But only temporarily
>bc at some point all of this gay shit is gonna be shoved back
>in Pandora's box and the world will go back to normal like it
>was n the good ol days before political correctness and
>progressive movements.
>
>Word up, player.

Bc you're right. Sam is a cancer.

I just stated what I think could happen on a team w/the 1st openly gay player

Will he get treated like Jackie Robinson? No

But it shouldn't come as a shock to anyone if he does experience some problems w/teammates and opponents.


>Bc you're right. Sam is a cancer.

he could end up causing his team to forfeit a number of wins.

the team might have to w/draw from the league.

bad things may happen.

>he could end up causing his team to forfeit a number of
>wins.
>
>the team might have to w/draw from the league.
>
>bad things may happen.

if something bad happens you will have earned your Nostradamus merit badge.

and for the record, quite a few ppl associated w/the NFL, like coaches who wanted to remain anonymous, GMs, as well as players, past and present, have all said that there will be problems arise on the Rams w/having the 1st openly gay athlete.

No one said it's going to trigger a "Donald Sterling" type reaction from his team but this is uncharted territory here and no one can predict w/100% certainty what will happen....

If nothing throughout the season occurs, then good for Michael Sam...and the league

>if something bad happens you will have earned your
>Nostradamus merit badge.

and when you soft in football,
you get hurt
and you get other people hurt.

not knockin any of our brothers who have chosen to live the homosexual lifestyle,
because we are all Gods children.
but gays aint conditioned with the same mental and physical toughness
as normal men.

so not only would they cower on the field
but they would fold when confronted with the "other things" that dungy is talkin bout.

that you were able to meet and get to know every gay dude on the planet to properly make that assessment

Pastry chef?
Male model?
Where do gays like him belong?

>Where do gays like him belong?

who knows what damage he might have done to himself and others

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There have been gay pro bowlers, and that's coming from the mouth of Warren Sapp, who isn't exactly Jason Collins.

organized sports on any level, but a NFL lockerroom is generally not some bastion of political correctness.

That Johnathan Martin shit in Miami, the bountygate shit in New Orleans, the Kluwe situation in Minnesota, whatever the fuck they have going on in New England, there's a lot of crazy things that go on.

A lot of guys may not have an issue with Sam but some will. How do you discipline those guys? It's something that could divide a lockerroom. And the guy we're talking about is a marginal rookie who's a long shot to make the team anyway.

Before the draft Sam and his handlers were saying he just wanted to focus on being a football and didn't want to be any kind of spokesman or get any extra attention. Immediately after he's draft we find out that he has a reality with Oprah in the works and all kinds of other shit. Distractions for a guy who's a borderline pro to begin with. I'm sure a lot of other teams passed on him for those same reasons.

The Rams were a last place team in their division with nothing to lose so they could use the positive PR.

A whole team might revolt if Sam enters the lockerroom. They might walk out like the Clippers almost did.

What should Sam do instead? Gardening? Bc like all faggots he doesn't belong in football and he should just accept that as a cocksucker he has limits. He has to remain in his lane. He has to know his place. He can't be out there upsetting the good breeder folks by doing whatever he wants. Sports belong to breeders and those queers like Sam who wanna play have got to respect that.

How much longer until all this gay shit goes away, man? Bc it can't last. It's just a fad.

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and everybody on the team knew.




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>and everybody on the team knew.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/03/vince-lombardi-accepted-gay-players-on-his-team/

Vince Lombardi accepted gay players on his team

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2013, 2:41 PM EDT

The ongoing debate about how a gay NFL player would be treated in the locker room has largely focused on the idea that times are changing, and that acceptance of a gay player would be a modern development. But it’s often overlooked that the ultimate example of the old-school football coach was also perfectly fine with having gay players on his team.

Multiple players who played for Vince Lombardi, the legendary former Packers and Redskins coach, say that he knew some of his players were gay, and that not only did he not have a problem with it, but he went out of his way to make sure no one else on his team would make it a problem.

In 1969, Lombardi’s Redskins included a running back named Ray McDonald, who in 1968 had been arrested for having sex with another man in public. In the Lombardi biography When Pride Still Mattered, author David Maraniss writes that Lombardi told his assistants he wanted them to work with McDonald to help him make the team, “And if I hear one of you people make reference to his manhood, you’ll be out of here before your ass hits the ground.”

Lombardi’s daughter Susan told Ian O’Connor of ESPNNewYork.com that her father would have been thrilled to have a player like Jason Collins, the NBA center who publicly revealed this week that he is gay.

“My father was way ahead of his time,” Susan Lombardi said. “He was discriminated against as a dark-skinned Italian American when he was younger, when he felt he was passed up for coaching jobs that he deserved. He felt the pain of discrimination, and so he raised his family to accept everybody, no matter what color they were or whatever their sexual orientation was. I think it’s great what Jason Collins did, because it’s going to open a lot of doors for people. Without a doubt my father would’ve embraced him, and would’ve been very proud of him for coming out.”

Dave Kopay, the first former NFL player to come out, also played on those 1969 Redskins, and he says that while he never told Lombardi, he believes Lombardi knew not only that Kopay was gay, but that Kopay and another Redskins player, Jerry Smith, were in a romantic relationship.

“Lombardi protected and loved Jerry,” Kopay told O’Connor.

Lombardi’s brother Harold was gay, and when Harold died in July of 2011 he was survived by his partner of 41 years — meaning their relationship began just before Vince died in September of 1970. As noted by Doug Farrar of Yahoo! Sports, Vince knew Harold was gay and didn’t just believe in “tolerance” but believed strongly that discrimination against gay people was wrong, just as he was angered when he saw mistreatment of his black players, or discrimination against his fellow Italian-Americans.

If a coach who was considered old-fashioned even by the standards of the 1960s accepted gay players in his locker room, the idea that gay players couldn’t be accepted in an NFL locker room in 2013 is both silly and sad.



>organized sports on any level, but a NFL lockerroom is
>generally not some bastion of political correctness.
>
>That Johnathan Martin shit in Miami, the bountygate shit in
>New Orleans, the Kluwe situation in Minnesota, whatever the
>fuck they have going on in New England, there's a lot of crazy
>things that go on.
>
>A lot of guys may not have an issue with Sam but some will.
>How do you discipline those guys? It's something that could
>divide a lockerroom. And the guy we're talking about is a
>marginal rookie who's a long shot to make the team anyway.
>
>Before the draft Sam and his handlers were saying he just
>wanted to focus on being a football and didn't want to be any
>kind of spokesman or get any extra attention. Immediately
>after he's draft we find out that he has a reality with Oprah
>in the works and all kinds of other shit. Distractions for a
>guy who's a borderline pro to begin with. I'm sure a lot of
>other teams passed on him for those same reasons.
>
>The Rams were a last place team in their division with nothing
>to lose so they could use the positive PR.

...before it was Philly teams was hesitant due to the distraction.. but the fact that Vick was/is one of the most exciting players in the league with a huge arm & amazing speed meant it wasn't gonna last.

Sam, well he's a gamble as with all draft picks... but a late round pick due to his limitations at DE/LB? I'd take a pass on him because.. is his talent level worth the distraction?

Well... nah. Now if it was Jadeveon Clowney coming out as he's coming out and my team have him available when it's time to pick? Not only am I picking him ASAP regardless but I'll yell out "YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!!!" when he puts on that team cap.

Same with Vick and his distraction... a pro-bowl speedy QB with an arm is worth that distraction of at least getting a chance in training camp to secure a job with SOMEONE.

He might have point though about unwanted attention. If he is no good can u cut him without a backlash?

>He might have point though about unwanted attention. If he is
>no good can u cut him without a backlash?

That's an interesting part of it too, because D-line is probably the deepest position on the Rams so the odds are stacked against him anyway. If he somehow does make the team and a and somebody else gets cut will the players think Sam made it because he's gay?

that's why he's gotta stand down. for the greater good - the world is just not ready for this. it probably never will be.

i think the gays are gonna be forced back in the closet soon and it's probably for the best. don't you agree?

Why are you talking about the "greater good"?



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i see the bigger picture. i see the forest and don't get caught up admiring the trees.

An stop trying to use my lines.


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but the greater good means doing what's best for the world at large. all of us.

This post has peaked.

What the blood claaat???

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Some taxi squad guy might be pissed but I doubt his teammates care. As underdeveloped as some of these guys are, they are not eighth graders.

If he plays a bigger role than that, well, I don't think there will be much doubt that he deserved to make the team.

he's a 7th round pick who'll be extremely luck to be 2nd string on the rams.

if a coach doesnt want to deal with the additional media surrounding the team w/ sam being the 1st openly gay player, especially since he wont start....i dont see the issue.

With gayness like many others. It's disappointing but I'm not deeply offended and I still think he seems to be a relatively decent guy

What he said wasn't outright homophobic either. Some of the comments in here are tho lol smh

Hopefully sam can show and prove on a lot of levels tho

good job. He should know better, and if he wasn't Tony Dungy other employers might avoid him for the distraction he'd now bring.

I like Dungy, read his book. Disagree with him on this and it'll be a matter of days before he reverses course and apologizes and probably has a sit down with Sam.

that he should apologize. But what should he apologize for?


An interviewer asked a former NFL coach a question. And Dungy answered the question based on his extensive experience as a football coach in the NFL. His response was based on a coaches complete understanding of the media culture, the culture of the the fan base, the NFL, the organization/ franchise culture, and the culture of the locker room. Every coach wants a smooth ship and a locker room that has no issues.

PLUS: Sam wasn't drafted in the top 5, 20, or 30. He wasn't drafted in the 2nd round, 4th round, or 5th Round. He was drafted in the 7th Round and this lack of evaluated NFL talent is another reason that he was passed over that that Dungy may have considered in his comment.

People are in here acting like Sam was a 1st round pick that got passed over. Man kill that noise. He's basically a walk on. And at this level AIN'T NO team that's trying to be a contender going to even want to deal with that level of distraction. The headache is not worth the risk.



Dungy never mentioned his religious views nor did he say anything about Sam's views or sexual preference. But as a knowledgeable coach, he provided an answer that the other teams that PASSED OVER SAM didn't verbalize. But I just because he didn't cower away from the question and he answered it with reason, y'all are calling him a bigot and a hypocrite now.

This place is funny.

What is bigoted about not wanting to deal with a media circus? Half of the people complaining can't deal with their own personal issues, but are up in here acting like they can run an entire organization.

Again, This place is funny.






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I can'd and couldn't tell.


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I can'd or couldn't tell

So, what's your point? Are you going to add anything constructive to the OP conversation or are you going just try to marginalize me just to make yourself feel better about your life?


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Because all of what you just said is not an example of anything.

the English Language

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I'm only playing rev, you carry on!

>that he should apologize. But what should he apologize for?
>
>
>An interviewer asked a former NFL coach a question. And Dungy
>answered the question based on his extensive experience as a
>football coach in the NFL. His response was based on a coaches
>complete understanding of the media culture, the culture of
>the the fan base, the NFL, the organization/ franchise
>culture, and the culture of the locker room. Every coach wants
>a smooth ship and a locker room that has no issues.
>
>PLUS: Sam wasn't drafted in the top 5, 20, or 30. He wasn't
>drafted in the 2nd round, 4th round, or 5th Round. He was
>drafted in the 7th Round and this lack of evaluated NFL talent
>is another reason that he was passed over that that Dungy may
>have considered in his comment.
>
>People are in here acting like Sam was a 1st round pick that
>got passed over. Man kill that noise. He's basically a walk
>on. And at this level AIN'T NO team that's trying to be a
>contender going to even want to deal with that level of
>distraction. The headache is not worth the risk.
>
>
>
>Dungy never mentioned his religious views nor did he say
>anything about Sam's views or sexual preference. But as a
>knowledgeable coach, he provided an answer that the other
>teams that PASSED OVER SAM didn't verbalize. But I just
>because he didn't cower away from the question and he answered
>it with reason, y'all are calling him a bigot and a hypocrite
>now.
>
>This place is funny.
>
>What is bigoted about not wanting to deal with a media circus?
>Half of the people complaining can't deal with their own
>personal issues, but are up in here acting like they can run
>an entire organization.
>
>Again, This place is funny.

People were saying San Fran was going to take him, the Niners are trying to win a Super Bowl, Harbaugh is not trying to deal with a media circus for a 7th round pic, lol.

and not one person in here saying he should apologize

one comment on how he probably will (122),
one comment on how he shouldn't have to (165)
and this one from you complaining about how people in here are saying he needs to apologize

lol

and you know how THEY are.

i've learned this isn't about him answering ONE GOTDAMN QUESTION. it's about him...just this one facet tho, however benign.

morning that if Sam were a 1st round draft pick instead of a 7th round pick then it wouldn't matter one bit if Dungy or whichever teammate had a problem w/him being gay because his talent would be worth the distraction

Or better yet, substitute Jadeveon Clowney for Sam in this discussion and it would be a different reaction from players/coaches/front offices

>Or better yet, substitute Jadeveon Clowney for Sam in this
>discussion and it would be a different reaction from
>players/coaches/front offices

I just told my co-worker the exact same thing. If this were Jadeveon, this "distraction" wouldn't be an issue.

what did he say exactly?

The NFL doesn't like distractions; just ask Chad Johnson, T.O or Tebow. I get it, but Tony should know better. As hard as it is for Black GMs and coaches, u would think Tony would want the most qualified player.

maybe that has distorted his view of how it is nowadays

That said, people demanding an apology shouldn't hold their breaths. He shouldn't feel obligated to apologize for his homophobia nor his hypocrisy. He's human. The people who should apologize are those in the media and elsewhere (mostly Indy) who claim him to be the epitome of moral righteousness and high ground when he's clearly never been that.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11248177/tony-dungy-clarifies-comments-michael-sam-st-louis-rams

LOL

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there is quite possibly some truth to that thought. there may indeed be some ppl who have somethg snide to say or react a certain way...but thats too bad for them because they will have to get over it. seems like he may have backtracked alil bit tho.

"I do not believe Michael's sexual orientation will be a distraction to his teammates or his organization. I do, however, believe that the media attention that comes with it will be a distraction. Unfortunately we are all seeing this play out now, and I feel badly that my remarks played a role in the distraction."

If anyone didn't think that Dungy was strictly based on football, then you were looking for an issue.



Dungy: Sam deserves NFL chance
Updated: July 22, 2014, 3:53 PM ET


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11248177/tony-dungy-clarifies-comments-michael-sam-st-louis-rams

Tony Dungy attempted Tuesday to clarify remarks he made regarding Michael Sam, saying the openly gay linebacker who was drafted by the St. Louis Rams "absolutely" deserves a chance to play in the NFL.

The former Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Indianapolis Colts coach said he would be concerned only with the distraction that media coverage of Sam's attempt to make the roster would create if he were his coach.

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Dungy I do not believe Michael's sexual orientation will be a distraction to his teammates or his organization. I do, however, believe that the media attention that comes with it will be a distraction.
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-- Tony Dungy
Dungy's comments to the Tampa Tribune for a story published Sunday created a backlash within traditional and social media. On Tuesday, in a statement released to media outlets, Dungy said he gave an "honest answer" to questions about Sam. Dungy said his comments were made to the newspaper several weeks ago, when "the Oprah Winfrey reality show that was going to chronicle Michael's first season had been announced."

The time frame of when Dungy made his remarks is in question. Tribune reporter Ira Kaufman told "The Dan Patrick Show" on Tuesday afternoon that he talked to Dungy "a week or two back." Also, Winfrey's planned documentary of Sam's rookie season was postponed in mid-May -- long before Dungy was interviewed by the Tribune, according to Kaufman.

In the Tribune interview, Dungy, who is an NFL analyst for NBC, said of Sam: "I wouldn't have taken him. Not because I don't believe Michael Sam should have a chance to play, but I wouldn't want to deal with all of it.

"It's not going to be totally smooth ... things will happen."

The remarks caused a stir for Dungy, who advocated for quarterback Michael Vick's return to the league after he was convicted in 2007 on dogfighting charges. Dungy became a mentor to Vick.

In his statement Tuesday, Dungy implied he should have been asked particular follow-up questions by Kaufman.

"I was not asked whether or not Michael Sam deserves an opportunity to play in the NFL. He absolutely does.

"I was not asked whether his sexual orientation should play a part in the evaluation process. It should not.

"I was not asked whether I would have a problem having Michael Sam on my team. I would not.

"I have been asked all of those questions several times in the last three months and have always answered them the same way -- by saying that playing in the NFL is, and should be, about merit," the statement read. "The best players make the team, and everyone should get the opportunity to prove whether they're good enough to play. That's my opinion as a coach.

"But those were not the questions I was asked. What I was asked about was my philosophy of drafting, a philosophy that was developed over the years, which was to minimize distractions for my teams.

"I do not believe Michael's sexual orientation will be a distraction to his teammates or his organization. I do, however, believe that the media attention that comes with it will be a distraction. Unfortunately we are all seeing this play out now, and I feel badly that my remarks played a role in the distraction.


"I wish Michael Sam nothing but the best in his quest to become a star in the NFL and I am confident he will get the opportunity to show what he can do on the field. My sincere hope is that we will be able to focus on his play and not on his sexual orientation."

On Tuesday, Hall of Fame linebacker Derrick Brooks defended Dungy.

Speaking on a conference call with the national media Tuesday to discuss his entry into the Hall, Brooks was asked about the Dungy comments. He prefaced his answer by saying he would reserve judgment because he hadn't spoken with Dungy.

"I just generally feel that he's probably saying what 31 other teams were probably thinking in that regard," Brooks said. "They didn't draft him, for whatever reason. He was just saying, if he were a head coach, this is how he would have approached the situation, or approached the player's situation."

Sam was selected in the seventh round by the Rams. He is scheduled to report to the team's training camp Tuesday and is expected to talk to reporters.

ESPN.com Buccaneers reporter Pat Yasinskas contributed to this report.

an agenda. and b/c Christian soldier's like Tony are constantly under attack. of course that's b/c we wrestle w/principalilties and not flesh and blood - it's what's going on behind all of the words and the actions that matters. and behind all of that is a battle for the soul of the world. and ppl like Dungy feel like they're losing. b/c ppl like Sam keep winning. but are they really winning?

i suspect ppl like Dungy are comforted knowing that despite what appear to be wins on the surface (flesh and blood), on the deeper level (principalities) the score is not as it appears. and i'm sure his ppl believe that their side will ultimately triumph despite whatever losses they sustain temporarily.

if you know, what do ppl who agree w/Dungy about the bigger issue here think will happen to ppl like Sam if Sam doesn't end up playing in the NFL? i wonder what their end goal is. do you have an idea about that?

And there are 31 other NFL teams that felt the same way when it came to a mid-level, low potential, prospect.

You and others keep dragging in Dungy's religious views as his motive for his comments. But, did you question or ask about President Obama's religious views when he openly changed his opinion and started supporting Same Sex Marriage? Was his faith place in question?

No, You didn't. Why?

Because religion was not the issues. And religion is not the issue when it comes to Dungy's comments.


Too easy. Holla Later.


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>You and others keep dragging in Dungy's religious views as his
>motive for his comments. But, did you question or ask about
>President Obama's religious views when he openly changed his
>opinion and started supporting Same Sex Marriage?

did i? yes.

Was his
>faith place in question?

yes, it was.

>No, You didn't. Why?

except i did.

>Because religion was not the issues. And religion is not the
>issue when it comes to Dungy's comments.

it clearly is.

If so, what about President Obama's faith did you question. Do you consider him to be a Christian hypocrite since he now openly supports Same Sex Marriage?


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maybe not folks in the house.
but senate and above... i think they say those things to pander
to their base.

so i never bought that obama was a christian.
but he was an organizer, and he worked with churches,
so he'd never say "i don't believe."

he's a politician.
atheiests aren't electable.

since you seem to know so much about me. tell me that. and tell me what i should have for dinner too.

yeah, i questioned Obeezy's faith during the same-sex marriage Decision. i wondered why more Xtians couldn't see the issue as he came to see it and i credited his former church home w/sowing the seeds that later produced such awesome fruit. i've attended that church several times and i think i get why he was able to come around to the right side of the mountain.

>since you seem to know so much about me. tell me that. and
>tell me what i should have for dinner too.
>
>yeah, i questioned Obeezy's faith during the same-sex marriage
>Decision. i wondered why more Xtians couldn't see the issue
>as he came to see it and i credited his former church home
>w/sowing the seeds that later produced such awesome fruit.
>i've attended that church several times and i think i get why
>he was able to come around to the right side of the mountain.



No, you questioned the faith of other Christians, but not that of the President. You didn't call him a hypocrite for going against the tenets of his religion.


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and i questioned his faith when he was against the issuance of marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

but none of that has bearing on the topic at hand or on the questions i posed earlier.

what's the end goal for ppl like Dungy vis-a-vis ppl like Sam? what do they hope to gain by opposing the progress made by ppl like Sam?

You and others didn't question POTUS because his position on the Same Sex issue didn't have anything to do with his religion. Nor does Dungy's position on the drafting of Sam.
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so i won't agree. i'm pretty sure Dungy's stance is informed by the practice of his religion and his interpretation of his chosen deity's position on the topic at hand.

and i see you either don't understand my question or refuse to answer it. i expected nothing less of you.

You are the one that's choosing to go down a path that's not an issue.

So, please don't try to insult my understanding just because I don't choose to chase a rabbit that is not there. You want this to be about Dungy's religion and it's not.


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yeah.

To professional players? About an issue that doesn't even have anything to do with football? I do think occasionally something gets inside a guy's head but it's almost always linked to some slump or inadequacy on the field. If you can't handle a few dumb questions, then get the fuck out of the league. I say that mainly because literally everyone in the league is capable of going about their business without worrying about media time. Trust me, it's just a bunch of awkward, stilted conversations that are over without you even thinking about them. The sports press corps is not the Spanish Inquisition. We wish.

So far what this has done is bring publicity and money to a generally hapless franchise.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/07/22/bernstein-confused-dungy-in-conflict-with-himself/

Confused Dungy In Conflict With Himself
July 22, 2014 9:40 AM

By Dan Bernstein-
CBSChicago.com senior columnist

(CBS) For whatever reason, Tony Dungy is a powerful man. No longer an NFL head coach, he now inhabits a lofty, unique spot as an amalgam of studio analyst, league consultant and televangelist, and he always seems to become involved in pro football’s big story of the day.

He is also a bigot, aligning vocally against marriage equality and homosexuality itself in a way consistent with his kind of retail-level religiosity that sells thousands of poorly written books to stupid people. Yesterday, he made it clear that Michael Sam, the Rams’ draft pick trying to become the NFL’s first openly gay player, would be unwelcome on his team.

“I wouldn’t have taken him,” Dungy told the Tampa Tribune. “Not because I don’t believe Michael Sam should have a chance to play, but I wouldn’t want to deal with all of it.

“It’s not going to be totally smooth … Things will happen.”

He didn’t say what “things,” nor did he explain why anything would occur on a properly coached team. When the Miami Dolphins were the subject of examination during the Richie Incognito workplace-harassment scandal, Dungy was quite clear on how things work. “You have to have respect for your fellow players,” he said. “It has to start in the management. It has to start with the coaches and general manager creating a safe environment, and the players have to carry it on from there.”

“I’m not sure what happens in the Dolphins’ locker room, but what you have to have is the head coach and general manager setting the tone, setting the agenda, and then the player leadership has to make sure that’s carried out.”

Except not when any of it applies to a gay man. Dungy either believes he’s incapable of controlling his team to the point of protecting a player, or he is saying he would not choose to do so because he would want “things” to happen. Either the coach is in control or he is not. If he is, as Dungy says, then there should be no issues. Here is Colonel Jessup under cross-examination, insisting on the strength of the chain of his command to the point that it indicts him.

And when it comes to having to “deal with all of it,” Dungy has gone out of his way to use his public position to embrace two of the league’s most polarizing players. Before Tim Tebow was drafted, Dungy said “I think he’s going to be a great player in the NFL,” saying he would select him in the top 10. Years later he still supported Tebow in his quest to find employment, writing that, “The Lord has a good spot for you. He’s going to give you the right situation. Wait for the Lord to show you that team and be ready to go.”

The Lord is a far better evaluator of quarterbacking than Dungy, as he apparently saw the same astonishingly bad passing as the rest of us and showed Tebow the door. No team wanted the circus in town for somebody who can’t throw.

Dungy could certainly deal with Michael Vick, too, becoming his full-time mentor and spiritual guru and spokesman for his return from prison, telling the world that Vick deserved a chance and that any distraction wasn’t too much for a locker room. This role as official re-sanitizer of wayward talent is something Dungy seems to relish, having also slapped his godly seal of approval on LeGarrette Blount so the former Oregon back could sign with the Titans in 2010.

Blount’s college coach has also been the lucky recipient of Dungy’s fatherly wisdom, after Eagles receiver Riley Cooper was caught on tape tossing around the n-word at a Kenny Chesney concert. Coach Chip Kelly cared enough about what Dungy thought to seek his counsel, and Dungy said, “I told him to trust his instincts. He can use this as a teaching moment, and his decision could pull this team together. Chip will make the right decision. He doesn’t care what the popular opinion is. He cares about what’s right.”

So we have this all correct: Blatant racism can be used to pull a team together, but a single gay man on a roster is just too much to bear, somehow threatening everything.

I wonder what Dungy thinks about having coached defensive tackle Esera Tuaolo on the Vikings from 1992 to 1995. More importantly, I wonder what the openly gay Tuaolo thinks.

We know what Vince Lombardi would think, having ensured the protection and professional treatment of gay players on his teams half a century ago. That was someone who did care genuinely about what was right and would have harsh words for Dungy’s shameful behavior.

Dungy was the first African-American head coach to win a Super Bowl, owing a debt not only to Fritz Pollard, Art Shell and others but those with the courage and forward thinking to give them chances despite the threat of public backlash or controversy. Dungy’s opportunity came after others pioneered to break hateful barriers, imposed and perpetuated due to fear.

Good for them that people far better than Dungy were making these kind of decisions, and good for him, too. Were he in charge then, he wouldn’t be where he is now, making a fine living delivering his unsettling combinations of chalk-talks and sermonettes, selling a brand of selective piety that covers for deeply ironic intolerance and squishy cowardice.

Tony Dungy is trying to be too many people at the same time, and he has ended up exposed as something less than a person at all.

I know Sam was coDPOY in the SEC but he was always predicted to be a 4th 8r 5th rounder. His combine numbers were horrible and the chances of making an NFL roster are probably less than 50%.

When you add it all up its a tough position to put yourself in if you have to cut him.

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He was a proven NFL talent in search of redemption.

Sam hasn't played a single game and is already getting awards and shit.

He hasn't proven to be worth the trouble.

Vick had.

Apples.

Oranges.

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>He was a proven NFL talent in search of redemption.
>
>Sam hasn't played a single game and is already getting awards
>and shit.
>
>He hasn't proven to be worth the trouble.
>
>Vick had.
>
>Apples.
>
>Oranges.


Yeah...This ^^^ would all be true...

But one problem....

Sam has yet to play a down to judge him either way. So it sounds strange when folks r already saying he's bringing baggage to the locker room before he even hits the field...

Sam may turn out to be a below average player...He may get cut...It will all play out...

But let's not act like people shouldn't put 2 and 2 together....If you are saying a player who has yet to even prove himself will be a distraction AND u have a history of helping players who can truly be said brought baggage then people are going to connect the dots...Right or wrong...

in prison. Sure, he can lift and probably use the library to read up on football tactics and philosophy during that time, but his access to proper nutrition is NOWHERE NEAR what it would be on the outside, and working out in a prison gym pales in comparison to having access to team facilities/strength coaches.

There was a significant risk that Vick was only going to have a fraction of that "proven talent."

i lightweight fucked w/ dungy but i can't clap to the latent 'phobia

if these niggas can ko & drag broads outta elevators, then a dudes sexuality shouldn't even factor in. period.

he owe mark schlereth a steak dinner tho.

definitely worthy of being drafted & getting a shot to play for a team

provide information about public sentiment.

He's the cutest character we have here sometimes.

I guess you never heard of Analytics. Oops. Maybe it's my BS Degree in E-Commerce that helps me to see the value in internet comments and the known fact that people are more honest about their biases when posing online.

No you were not kidding, you just really don't know any better.


News organizations use internet comments to gain the sentiment of the population on subjects all the time, such as Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc. In fact, one OKP'er that use to work at ESPN said that they use to use OKP to gain insight on what people were discussing regarding sports.

So, once again can take all of that misdirected mess and serve it back you yourself.




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>News organizations use internet comments to gain the sentiment
>of the population on subjects all the time, such as Twitter,
>Facebook, Reddit, etc.

See, here's your problem (one of them, at least): you just equated what people post on Facebook and Twitter to the comments in response to a HuffPost article. Are you aware of the kind of people who choose to respond to articles online? Have you ever considered why a person would choose to respond to an article online?

You see, I actually know a few things about what these 'analytics' entail, beyond the buzzwords you had to memorize in your e-commerce classes. And I can tell you that the people actually doing it for major corporations know enough about probability to (a) work around the inherent self-selection biases, or (b) are basically scamming their clueless corporate overlords, or (c) some combination of the two. One thing that I can tell you for sure is that they are not taking the comments on HuffPo at face value, as you are.

>
>>News organizations use internet comments to gain the
>sentiment
>>of the population on subjects all the time, such as Twitter,
>>Facebook, Reddit, etc.
>
>See, here's your problem (one of them, at least): you just
>equated what people post on Facebook and Twitter to the
>comments in response to a HuffPost article. Are you aware of
>the kind of people who choose to respond to articles online?
>Have you ever considered why a person would choose to respond
>to an article online?
>


Boy you are slow and dense, because they are internet based sites that as well as ETC aka Others.

And yes Mr. YOU DON'T KNOW, Media outlets use fast moving and tending sites like HuffPo all the dang time. In fact lots News org pull form HuffPo and the Drudge Report, along with other sites to hep determine the stories that will run. But you wouldn't know this because your head is up a SNARKS Butt.

>You see, I actually know a few things about what these
>'analytics' entail, beyond the buzzwords you had to memorize
>in your e-commerce classes. And I can tell you that the people
>actually doing it for major corporations know enough about
>probability to (a) work around the inherent self-selection
>biases, or (b) are basically scamming their clueless corporate
>overlords, or (c) some combination of the two. One thing that
>I can tell you for sure is that they are not taking the
>comments on HuffPo at face value, as you are.
>



^^ Pure Nonsense Talk. Stop trying to save face and KIM.

You Lost! And you get Nothing!


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>Boy you are slow and dense, because they are internet based
>sites that as well as ETC aka Others.

Uh, what?

>And yes Mr. YOU DON'T KNOW, Media outlets use fast moving and
>tending sites like HuffPo all the dang time.

They don't just add up the number of positive replies vs negative and treat that as useful information.

That is, unless they're corporate dimwits (or aspiring corporate dimwits) who don't know anything about how data works.

>In fact lots News
>org pull form HuffPo and the Drudge Report, along with other
>sites to hep determine the stories that will run. But you
>wouldn't know this because your head is up a SNARKS Butt.

Again, if they're taking the data at face value then they don't actually have any data. If they actually have people on staff who know anything about statistics, then they aren't approaching it as naively as you are.

>>You see, I actually know a few things about what these
>>'analytics' entail, beyond the buzzwords you had to memorize
>>in your e-commerce classes. And I can tell you that the
>people
>>actually doing it for major corporations know enough about
>>probability to (a) work around the inherent self-selection
>>biases, or (b) are basically scamming their clueless
>corporate
>>overlords, or (c) some combination of the two. One thing
>that
>>I can tell you for sure is that they are not taking the
>>comments on HuffPo at face value, as you are.
>>
>
>
>
>^^ Pure Nonsense Talk. Stop trying to save face and KIM.

A basic understanding of probability and data analysis is "pure nonsense talk" to some, I'll admit, including apparently you. But it is how the world *actually* works. So it's got that going for it.

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analytical feedback we're talking about in e-commerce or market research. Smh.

>analytical feedback we're talking about in e-commerce or
>market research. Smh.

The fact that you think you can just come off in here and say random mess and that makes it true is crazy.

Do you know even know that companies ... You what I don't even have the time to explain basic stuff.

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good job.

And you can keep your name tag.


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perhaps by an angel.

...he wrong 99x99x on this one.

if for anything, not specifying what the "distraction" would have been in drafting Sam, leaving it up for grabs... and given what we know about him.

I wouldn't have liked it any more if he came out and said that he was afraid of whatever "distraction" Sam's (open) gayness would have brought to his team, but I would have been able to... I dunno, live with it (I don't want to say "respect", because I think that viewpoint is just reprehensible)

but that he just went all vague with it was some more BS on top of the BS

this is a non issue...

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I'm glad Dungy followed up to admit as much. I'm also glad that people put a fire under his ass, and I hope we continue to do so when people come out of their mouths.

Gays are here, and the solution is not to bury your head in the sand by refusing to bring on an openly gay player. The solution is to fucking deal. And make it clear to everyone around you that they are to do the same if they want to get paid. Increased inclusion is the new reality, and there's no reason that the NFL should be exempt from the changes that every other sector of society is undergoing. While clutching their pearls is the easy thing to do, this is the time for leaders to lead.

Coach Dungy never admitted to anything. He only kicked the heck out of the false and biased atmosphere that was being created by people that were bent on flaming the flames of misdirection.





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He's a good man who got a wake-up call

>Coach Dungy never admitted to anything. He only kicked the
>heck out of the false and biased atmosphere that was being
>created by people that were bent on flaming the flames of
>misdirection.

Things that are not a distraction: Michael Sam.
"I do not believe Michael’s sexual orientation will be a distraction to his teammates or his organization."

Things that are a distraction: Coach Dungy.
"Unfortunately we are all seeing this play out now, and I feel badly that my remarks played a role in the distraction."

Things that make Dungy look like an ass: This statement.
"I do, however, believe that the media attention that comes with it will be a distraction." <---A statement he gave AFTER creating the negative media attention that he claims to be so worried about.

Like I said, he's the problem, not Michael Sam. Fortunately, though, problems get fixed.