(455+ posts is gonna crash my browser)

So it seems that the Feds told the local police not to release the video.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/feds-urged-police-not-release-michael-brown-robbery-video-n182346

"The Department of Justice urged Ferguson police not to release surveillance video purporting to show Michael Brown robbing a store shortly before he was shot and killed by police, arguing the footage would further inflame tensions in the St. Louis suburb that saw rioting and civil unrest in the wake of the teenager’s death.

But on Friday, police released the video that stoked outrage in Ferguson, with Brown’s family calling it “character assassination” and a smear campaign. A law enforcement source told NBC News that Ferguson police wanted to release the video Thursday, but the Department of Justice convinced them to withhold the footage over fears it would spark further unrest. "

besides bin's bullshit Green Party idea
or walking down the street with unloaded assault rifles
what can we DO to stop these police from killing US???

most receive no more than sic months training in academy
and i doubt much of that is psychology/hostage type training
they prolly need to do a six month course of Iyengar Yoga after the academy to calm their asses down.
be more zen like.

but serious tho
look it up
most recruits do no more than 6 mos in academy before being placed in the real world with real bullets

and the ridiculously low pay and the high rate of turnover, I don't think there is any amount of time in the Academy that will properly prepare them for working a beat.

rubber bullets
tear gas
water cannons
are highly effective

Because if law enforcement shot and killed legally armed citizens, peacefully protesting...?

What the powers that be want to happen is to neuter and control the protest. Only march here. Only go this far. Go home when we say. Do what we say. That's not a protest! That's a parade

They are hoping it'll all die down and go back to normal in a day or so

And if we do nothing but what we are allowed to do...that's precisely what will happen!

The powers that be are praying as we speak that nobody brings their guns to the protest...unless they are police

Because they know...if some shit went down...the whole worlds watching

And we are watching

If someone was killed or arrested...?

It goes from a crisis to a real rebellion

And maybe...just maybe...shit will really actually change

Won't be easy or pretty, and would require some people to be hurt or perhaps lose their freedom

And I'm sitting on the comp like you from thousands of miles away altho I did hit my local protest up this week, with the heater

But here we are now...entertain us

Came too far in other words




does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

Surrounding the city is a great plan actually.

soon as they get south of 70
shit gone git REAL

I don't see this ending well for either side.

get more traction that way

STL is east of Ferguson, not south.

>STL is east of Ferguson, not south.


Granite I've only been thru Fergusson once cause inlaws live there but I do recall us going north and west to get there.

Granite = ode to Nupey One

Were both right bc the city is southeast. Lol. I keep picturing Ferg being further south than it is.

Especially with that 40 - 64 thing
Im always confused when folks say 40
And Im always on 64

That shit is confusing.

that Fergusson is NW of The Arch and not DIRECTLY WEST then imagine how us outta towners feel

>That shit is confusing.

Well, there's Florissant Road and Florissant Avenue. The road is entirely in the county but the avenue starts in the city (as North Florissant Ave) and runs out in the county. It never reaches Florissant but the road does. The road starts in Ferguson as South and becomes North then New.

I think.

what's even wilder is that you can be on either one of the "Florissants" and be in Ferguson...or a lot of other municipalities. Ferguson License Office is off Florissant Rd, but the QT that got destroyed and Canfield Apts...is right off of West Florissant, which also runs through Jennings, Dellwood and Moline Acres.

i dont think i will make it back up there this summer like i said i wanted to

about that life, lol

Sy. Louis County and St. Louis City are completely separate entities legally and figuratively

.

If it is only a clip and one of those surveilance videos where you can't hear what's being said fuck that shit.

Is this a store in MB's neighborhood? Because if you can't hear audio and it's a store in his neighborhood then it's all bullshit.

Cause the main reason you rob a store for cigars without a weapon is because you know the folk. You don't roll up in no random hood and rob a store just for some fucking swishers. If you robbing the store you take fucking money. You take swishers from the cats you know because of some personal shit between you and them which ain't gonna be evident from a video.

Store owners have fucking guns. Like seriously... c'mon. You just don't do that shit and just walk out the door unless you know them. Oh they said they gonna call 911... yeah aight see you tomorrow.

This is the context I need.

That and the 911 call from the store.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

its legitimately a non-factor. idk why people still worried about it.

to protect their officers over the lives of a black youth.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

but yes, its introduction says more about the character of the police than Brown.

To you and me, it's irrelevant because the officer who shot MB didn't know about the robbery.

But the purpose of the video is to plant the seed in potential jurors head that MB was a violent thug.

They will use the video to go to MB's state of mind at the time of the murder. They will use it to say that while the cop didn't know about the robbery, MB knew that he'd just committed a robbery in which he was violent. So, when the cop came upon him, he was defensive and hostile just as he was with the clerk in the store. Therefore, it's reasonable that the cop had to use deadly force.

That's why the video matters.

Store said they didn't call 911 and the police came with a warrant to get the tape. They say they know everybody.



>If it is only a clip and one of those surveilance videos
>where you can't hear what's being said fuck that shit.
>
>Is this a store in MB's neighborhood? Because if you can't
>hear audio and it's a store in his neighborhood then it's all
>bullshit.
>
>Cause the main reason you rob a store for cigars without a
>weapon is because you know the folk. You don't roll up in no
>random hood and rob a store just for some fucking swishers. If
>you robbing the store you take fucking money. You take
>swishers from the cats you know because of some personal shit
>between you and them which ain't gonna be evident from a
>video.
>
>Store owners have fucking guns. Like seriously... c'mon. You
>just don't do that shit and just walk out the door unless you
>know them. Oh they said they gonna call 911... yeah aight see
>you tomorrow.
>
>This is the context I need.
>
>That and the 911 call from the store.
>
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>Big PEMFin H & z's
>"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1
>thing, a musician." © Miles
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

which i'm guessing is a report that came after the fact and was hence assisted by the PD. Rather than allowing this be used to criminalize MB it should be used to show the criminal culture inherent in the Ferguson PD.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Crazy that they hired an attorney. But I'm curious to see all the evidence. What they put out was just propaganda.

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/500279365880807425/photo/1

Which clearly states the owner called 911 and then tried to stop MB.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Freedom Of Information Act

Instead of just the video.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IvCejX9Q8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCgSuZQyaTE#t=3506

http://www.ustream.tv/realalexjones

Great.

The officer yelled at two kids to get off the street.

He drove up to them, attempted to open door. Either MB kicked the door closed or the officer had tried to open the door too close and it bounced off MB.


Then the officer reached out his opened window and grabbed MB. Either MB struggled to get away....or MB engaged the officer by fighting back through the window. Possibly even attempting to grab his gun.

Then the officer fired a shot through the door. MB started to flee. The officer got outta the car and fired another shot....which may or may not have hit MB. Mb stopped...turned around and put his hands up. Officer continues shooting while walking towards MB. MB dies of multiple gun wounds.

Is that the basic sequence of events...allowing for possible details which really, NOONE knows yet? Cause if so....even if you fill in the blanks with details in the cop's favor ie MB attempted to grab his gun.....I still don't see how those shots the officer made after exiting the vehicle could be construed as lawful. I suppose the initial shot through the door might though....but we also know that shot didn't kill MB.

Unless I'm missing something...even assuming the worst of MB in this scenario (he assaulted the officer, he attempted to grab his gun) don't justify the subsequent shots that killed him. They might not make great fodder for nation-wide protest....but it sure as hell is still unlawful murder of some degree.

while the cop was in the car

i'd have to have the IQ of a potato for that to even cross your mind or think it would work

i don't know a black person alive that wouldn't know that the gun comes out a specific way and to try to dive into the car to unlatch it for whatever reason is damn near impossible. i don't even think a cop could do it.

I certainly don't think it's likely. But my point is.....even if you assume the worst of MB's behaviour....it's still unlawful murder.

I'm not sure how useful it is to speculate on those details without knowing. We tend to fill in those blanks based on our prejudices. But if we can establish the extreme possibilities on both sides of supposition....it's still murder. Unless I'm missing something.

For example....I heard one report that speculated that MB reached in his back pocket for his cellphone while he had his hands up. I only heard that from one source and it hasn't been repeated so I figured it wasn't true. But if it was....THAT changes things ALOT more than the store video.

You flee the cop has several things to justify shooting with force in a court of law.

Is that the case here, we will have to wait and see.




>I certainly don't think it's likely. But my point
>is.....even if you assume the worst of MB's behaviour....it's
>still unlawful murder.
>
>I'm not sure how useful it is to speculate on those details
>without knowing. We tend to fill in those blanks based on our
>prejudices. But if we can establish the extreme possibilities
>on both sides of supposition....it's still murder. Unless I'm
>missing something.
>
>For example....I heard one report that speculated that MB
>reached in his back pocket for his cellphone while he had his
>hands up. I only heard that from one source and it hasn't
>been repeated so I figured it wasn't true. But if it
>was....THAT changes things ALOT more than the store video.
>

I don't think they're allowed to do that in Canada. You can shoot someone for fleeing? Pretty sure that a cop is allowed allowed to shoot if someone's (including their own) life is in danger.

And again, isn't it established that MB wasn't fleeing during the subsequent shots after he put his hands up? So the shots that killed him weren't fired while he was fleeing. Right?

>I don't think they're allowed to do that in Canada. You can
>shoot someone for fleeing? Pretty sure that a cop is allowed
>allowed to shoot if someone's (including their own) life is in
>danger.
>
>And again, isn't it established that MB wasn't fleeing during
>the subsequent shots after he put his hands up? So the shots
>that killed him weren't fired while he was fleeing. Right?

then I'm sure you could use deadly force.
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>You flee the cop has several things to justify shooting with
>force in a court of law.

Show me the laws that say police have the right to commit crimes, up to and including murder, in the apprehension of suspects.

I want to read them, so we know exactly what to get tossed off the books. ASAP. I'll wait.


>Is that the case here, we will have to wait and see.
>
>
>
>
>>I certainly don't think it's likely. But my point
>>is.....even if you assume the worst of MB's
>behaviour....it's
>>still unlawful murder.
>>
>>I'm not sure how useful it is to speculate on those details
>>without knowing. We tend to fill in those blanks based on
>our
>>prejudices. But if we can establish the extreme
>possibilities
>>on both sides of supposition....it's still murder. Unless
>I'm
>>missing something.
>>
>>For example....I heard one report that speculated that MB
>>reached in his back pocket for his cellphone while he had
>his
>>hands up. I only heard that from one source and it hasn't
>>been repeated so I figured it wasn't true. But if it
>>was....THAT changes things ALOT more than the store video.
>
>>

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap563.htm

this shit right here?

THIS is what needs to be stripped out the books. good shit.

Use of force in defense of persons.
563.031. 1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:

(1) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case his or her use of force is nevertheless justifiable provided:

(a) He or she has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened use of unlawful force; or

(b) He or she is a law enforcement officer and as such is an aggressor pursuant to section 563.046; or

(c) The aggressor is justified under some other provision of this chapter or other provision of law;

(2) Under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the person whom he or she seeks to protect would not be justified in using such protective force;

(3) The actor was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of a forcible felony.

2. A person may not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony;

(2) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle lawfully occupied by such person; or

(3) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual claiming a justification of using protective force under this section.

3. A person does not have a duty to retreat from a dwelling, residence, or vehicle where the person is not unlawfully entering or unlawfully remaining. A person does not have a duty to retreat from private property that is owned or leased by such individual.

4. The justification afforded by this section extends to the use of physical restraint as protective force provided that the actor takes all reasonable measures to terminate the restraint as soon as it is reasonable to do so.

5. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section. If a defendant asserts that his or her use of force is described under subdivision (2) of subsection 2 of this section, the burden shall then be on the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not reasonably believe that the use of such force was necessary to defend against what he or she reasonably believed was the use or imminent use of unlawful force.

(L. 1977 S.B. 60, A.L. 1993 S.B. 180, A.L. 2007 S.B. 62 & 41, A.L. 2010 H.B. 1692, et al. merged with H.B. 2081)

It came in late during part 2 and shouldn't be left behind.

"There is no such thing as a "perfect black victim" and there shouldn't have to be before there is a call for justice. If you're looking for the perfect black victim to illustrate civil rights abuses and be the catalyst for a movement than good luck searching for what you don't deserve.
The fact that people feel like this boy needs to be perfect and unblemished in order for his shooting to be illustrative of the FACT that black men and women are the only people that are routinely shot unarmed by police, says more about how we've internalized the narrative that all Black folks don't naturally deserve the basic rights prescribed to everyone but us, criminals and all.

The original girl that started the bus boycott in selma wasn't Rosa Parks, it was a pregnant teenager with very little education. They went with Rosa Parks because they thought white people would be too racist to sympathize with a teenage unwed mother being discriminated against. It doesn't change the fact that she was a victim. So people don't have to be perfect to illustrate the point. The concept that they do is based in white racism and our own believed inferiority.

Whether cops shoot a kid for stealing box of cigars or choke to death a man selling 50 cent cigarettes, there is a problem. Killing Black folks on the street who have no gun, no weapon should be a crime, period point blank.

Victims don't have to be perfect, they have to be victims.

There has to be room for a 19 year old black male to act like an idiot without getting shot. 19 year old males of all races act like idiots sometime. They don't need to be murdered. They need to be tolerated until they grow up.

These events....they make it so black teen males can't experience puberty/teen years in the same way. Other races don't have this amount of instances where an unruly teenager gets murdered instead of disciplined. Absolutely unacceptable. All of us 30plus posters know about being a teenager. I could've got 'lawfully shot' all the time if you dissected my life. "Earlier in the evening, subject denny stole a carton of cigarettes from the local store....he was shot dead 5 hours later in front of several witnesses." I'm no better or worse than Michael Brown.

If I had been caught doing some of the things I did at 18 I would just now be getting out of jail. It's not because I was a thug or a career criminal, I wasn't thinking. My brain wasn't fully developed. I took uncalculated risks as if I were earning a pension

same goes for me

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if you only make ya girl cum after she's had mad drinks at the bar, she's not "squirting" my nigga, she's just to lazy to go to the bathroom.

Growing up in Brownsville, I've been around and seen some ish. I was NEVER a tough guy or a kid that caused trouble. That said I did some stupid things from time to time. Things that could have gotten me arrested. I'm fortunate that I never went too wild or that my mistakes never took my life off track. We are not the people we can grow to be at freaking 18.

not a tough guy or a street dude, but did A LOT of dirt that could have gotten me killed or in jail as a teen.

Mike Brown. Ferguson/St Louis protests. Something.

The person in that video appears to be a violent bully who uses his size to intimidate people. That image leaves a strong impression on people.

Alot of the defense of mike brown has been the speculative "he wouldn't have gone for the cops gun..."

Fact is most of the folks talking about it wasn't there, don't know Mike Brown and can't say for certain what he did and didn't do.

If the facts are established by witnesses that MB was some distance away with arms raised complying with the police and was shot, it's mostly irrelevant.

If there is a question of fact as to what actually happened and fact finders have to mostly rely on the cops versions of events and this tape is introduced as evidence of the state of mind of the victim. No bueno.


I'm just being practical and realistic, I can assure you that there are a gang of once supporters who lost interest in the case once they saw that footage.


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>


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You are aware of that information correct?

People have given their testimony on msnbc, cnn, twitter, youtube and worldstar. That tape is irrelevant to the officer being charged. DOJ didn't send 40 FBI agents to Ferguson for practice.

Now if black people would please stop policing our respectability it would be greatly appreciated.

One dudebon youtube says he witnessed the cop stand over MB and unload his clip in MB back
If your witnesses have tainted past,
You have a problem

Y'all play into this psychosis by demanding perfection of us

So if the eyewitnesses to his death were drug dealers (not saying they were I'm saying what if) then sudden they are lying abt what they saw?

Shit logic says a motherfucker who was dirty yet still came forward that person is the one telling the truth because they could have kept their mouth shut and been safe to continue doing dirt

Y'all got to stop this black folks got to be twice as good to get half as much ass mentality

>Y'all play into this psychosis by demanding perfection of us
>
>So if the eyewitnesses to his death were drug dealers (not
>saying they were I'm saying what if) then sudden they are
>lying abt what they saw?
>
>Shit logic says a motherfucker who was dirty yet still came
>forward that person is the one telling the truth because they
>could have kept their mouth shut and been safe to continue
>doing dirt
>
>Y'all got to stop this black folks got to be twice as good to
>get half as much ass mentality


It's not black folk.
The lawyers sully the CREDIBILITY of the witness as if they have a "point to prove" against LEO.
You don't watch Law & Order?
If a nigga cheats on his taxes, lies to his wife and steals from his job why should you trust him to tell the truth to the court?
and im saying that the dude in the youtube i saw saying that he saw it gave a TOTALLY different account of what happened that the police and even DJ who himself was there
you dont want 1st 48 where these murders LIE to get out of a crime?

He had just as much drama as Michael Brown at the same 18 but we're not rifling through his history. The fact of the matter is that everyone is saying the same thing. They all sound credible.

>He had just as much drama as Michael Brown at the same 18 but
>we're not rifling through his history. The fact of the matter
>is that everyone is saying the same thing. They all sound
>credible.

Darren Wilson reportedly had a troubled upbringing. His mother was cracked out and spent years in prison, died early. He taken from her and put in the custody of his stepfather.



>>He had just as much drama as Michael Brown at the same 18
>but
>>we're not rifling through his history. The fact of the
>matter
>>is that everyone is saying the same thing. They all sound
>>credible.
>

"troubled" upbringing how?
MB is shown on VIDEO of strong armed robbing a likka store
some might color my upbringing as 'troubled' but i aint neeeeever even remotely thought bout no damn roberry

might have tagged some shit
put nails under folks tyres
busted some windows
but not no ROBBERY
especially at 18



>Darren Wilson reportedly had a troubled upbringing. His
>mother was cracked out and spent years in prison, died early.
>He taken from her and put in the custody of his stepfather.

And if I was 6'4 at 18 I'm sure I would have been puffing my chest out at store clerks too.

you're a bully.


>And if I was 6'4 at 18 I'm sure I would have been puffing my
>chest out at store clerks too.

>People have given their testimony on msnbc, cnn, twitter,
>youtube and worldstar.

those people were interviewed, that's not the same as testimony.

That tape is irrelevant to the officer
>being charged. DOJ didn't send 40 FBI agents to Ferguson for
>practice.

what does the relevancy of the tape have to do with why the FBI sent 40 agents to Ferguson.

>Now if black people would please stop policing our
>respectability it would be greatly appreciated.

This ain't got respectability. This aint the FL police pulling up the fact that Trayvon Martin may have smoked weed at some point in his life or stole skittles.

This is about whether the police defense can use the tape to establish that the kid was in a violent state which is relevant in judging the cops account that the kid attacked him.



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Has discourse degraded to that already?

I won't argue about the definition of testimony but all this stuff is admissible in court. There are videos at the scene while mb's body is still there with people relaying what happened. Multiple youtube videos and then the cable news videos.

Again, the existence of the tape DOES NOT prevent the officer from being CHARGED -- Even if you believe the tape is useful.

The fact that DOJ sent 40 agents means that they believe there is a strong case and they want a slam dunk. One or two agents and they're just covering their ass.

For the last time even if you believe MB was on sherm and bumrushed the officer it STILL does not excuse the execution that EVERYONE witnessed.

No one is saying that officer wilson was lying prone and mike brown was about to drop a cinder block on his head but he got the drop on him in the nick of time and put a bullet in his forehead.

Everyone IS saying that once wilson got out the car he was in complete control and had already shot brown once, brown ran and was hit at least once in the back. He put his hands in the air and was shot at least once in the head.


There's no justification for that even if brown was the incredible hulk.



>>People have given their testimony on msnbc, cnn, twitter,
>>youtube and worldstar.
>
>those people were interviewed, that's not the same as
>testimony.
>
>That tape is irrelevant to the officer
>>being charged. DOJ didn't send 40 FBI agents to Ferguson for
>>practice.
>
>what does the relevancy of the tape have to do with why the
>FBI sent 40 agents to Ferguson.
>
>>Now if black people would please stop policing our
>>respectability it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>This ain't got respectability. This aint the FL police
>pulling up the fact that Trayvon Martin may have smoked weed
>at some point in his life or stole skittles.
>
>This is about whether the police defense can use the tape to
>establish that the kid was in a violent state which is
>relevant in judging the cops account that the kid attacked
>him.
>
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://www.tumblr.com/blog/blackpeopleonlocalnews

probity value of certain evidence, and the deployment considerations of the FBI with someone who clearly doesn't know anything about any of these topics. It'd be a waste of time for me and you.



>Has discourse degraded to that already?
>
>I won't argue about the definition of testimony but all this
>stuff is admissible in court. There are videos at the scene
>while mb's body is still there with people relaying what
>happened. Multiple youtube videos and then the cable news
>videos.
>
>Again, the existence of the tape DOES NOT prevent the officer
>from being CHARGED -- Even if you believe the tape is useful.
>
>The fact that DOJ sent 40 agents means that they believe there
>is a strong case and they want a slam dunk. One or two agents
>and they're just covering their ass.
>
>For the last time even if you believe MB was on sherm and
>bumrushed the officer it STILL does not excuse the execution
>that EVERYONE witnessed.
>
>No one is saying that officer wilson was lying prone and mike
>brown was about to drop a cinder block on his head but he got
>the drop on him in the nick of time and put a bullet in his
>forehead.
>
>Everyone IS saying that once wilson got out the car he was in
>complete control and had already shot brown once, brown ran
>and was hit at least once in the back. He put his hands in the
>air and was shot at least once in the head.
>
>
>There's no justification for that even if brown was the
>incredible hulk.
>
>
>
>>>People have given their testimony on msnbc, cnn, twitter,
>>>youtube and worldstar.
>>
>>those people were interviewed, that's not the same as
>>testimony.
>>
>>That tape is irrelevant to the officer
>>>being charged. DOJ didn't send 40 FBI agents to Ferguson
>for
>>>practice.
>>
>>what does the relevancy of the tape have to do with why the
>>FBI sent 40 agents to Ferguson.
>>
>>>Now if black people would please stop policing our
>>>respectability it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>This ain't got respectability. This aint the FL police
>>pulling up the fact that Trayvon Martin may have smoked weed
>>at some point in his life or stole skittles.
>>
>>This is about whether the police defense can use the tape to
>>establish that the kid was in a violent state which is
>>relevant in judging the cops account that the kid attacked
>>him.
>>
>>
>>
>>**********
>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>http://www.tumblr.com/blog/blackpeopleonlocalnews
>


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http://www.tumblr.com/blog/blackpeopleonlocalnews

I mean pretty much that's only evidence that's needed.

If we're bringing the video into question then we also have to bring the store owner into question to authenticate, and his testimony is hinged on whether he actually called 911 (which I doubt). If he didn't then what we're witnessing on the tape isn't a strong arm robbery but rather an altercation between people who know each other and see each other regularly. Which is completely irrelevant to the actual case.

Don't get spun by the spin.

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why are yall so hung up on this?
simple phone records and 911 call logs will prove this shit
if he spoke to 911 dispatch there WILL be a recording of it
if he TRIED to call but 911 was busy
then the phone company will show that he DID place the call but it did not go through

all that shit is tracked

im sayin it wasnt presented because they aint got it
anybody (reporters im sure) can request the "alleged" 911 recording via Freedom Of Information Act

The chief throwing it out there like that and ignoring all the other requests...I don't even know why he's still getting press conferences if the investigation and the security have been turned over to others. AT this point he's just a proxy for darren wilson.


>im sayin it wasnt presented because they aint got it
>anybody (reporters im sure) can request the "alleged" 911
>recording via Freedom Of Information Act

>I mean pretty much that's only evidence that's needed.
>
>If we're bringing the video into question then we also have to
>bring the store owner into question to authenticate, and his
>testimony is hinged on whether he actually called 911 (which I
>doubt). If he didn't then what we're witnessing on the tape
>isn't a strong arm robbery but rather an altercation between
>people who know each other and see each other regularly. Which
>is completely irrelevant to the actual case.


That is not the law and what you typed made no sense.

* The police report above says the store owner called 911.
* There are alternate videos showing that MB may have actually paid for the tobacco.
* Stills make it look like robbery, but the video is less clear.
* Only way to clear that up is to put the store owner on the stand, and play the 911 call he made.
* If there is no 911 call, he cannot testify that he called.
* If he didn't call it is reasonable to assume based on how MB interacted throughout the video, that it wasn't a robbery but an argument.
* That all being the case he's no longer an alleged criminal, which would make the whole thing inadmissible as it has no bearing on his state going into the stop by the police officer.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

...fled and hid for a number of hours...

...came out hands up... in healthy condition...


...then got a Rolling Stone cover.

Quit the bullshit.

>...fled and hid for a number of hours...
>
>...came out hands up... in healthy condition...
>
>
>...then got a Rolling Stone cover.
>
>Quit the bullshit.


the stones cover is another issue
but they wanted him ALIVE so they could interrogate (waterboard and electrocute his balls) him to make sure he wasnt part of a larger sleeper cell

That ninja is gonna get the DEF penalty x4.

Oh, and his brother was brutally executed AND RAN THE FUCK OVA during the shootout.

You still wanna use him of white people being treated better than blacks?

But truth be told I was somewhat skeptical already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maA1FUJqhew

...either he's bad at robbing... or I'm missing something...

...locals have suggested the issued is the cashier thought he was underage.

for reasons you already mentioned

it only says he died of GSW but does not say HOW MANY (very very VERY strange) nor does it say the direction the bullets entered/exited the body (VERY strange too given the significance of this autopsy was known a priori)

eric hold has ordered DOJ do their own independent autopsy

1. st louis county coroner
2. independent ME by MB family
3. eric holder / DOJ

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?referrer=

dude be on ALL the black cases
i bet he RUNS tallahasee
r-tis-tic
amirite?

other lawyers, how is Crump making money off these cases tho?
because trayvon ppls and MB ppls dont have no ends to pay for counsel

and was Crump even bar'd in Missouri?
do lawyers like him get bar'd in all 50 states "just in case"?
how does that work?

Pretty sure he's not licensed in missouri. I can only imagine he's a non-legal legal rep. And I question if that's legal.

I'd like to think he takes THESE cases for free.

The publicity that he'll receive will pay for itself.

Because eventually you will have a BIG MONEY case in Florida (or a relative might have it) and naturally you'll call Crump's firm to represent you.

He doesn't need to be barred in these other states because he's not doing any legal work there. Or if he is, then he'll just file a Pro Hac Vice which is just temporary permission to practice in a jurisdiction.

Ima stop bs'in

Just give me $50,000 to read from a law school outline.

You'll end up with:

- Same education

- Same job prospects

- Same indebtedness


But at least you'll save 3 years of your life.

That community overreacted before all the evidence was out.
They looked like savages without a plan or leadership, until the white man came in and gave these bammas a curfew.
Bammas shooting each other during a protest, a kid at that.

Brown in the video acting like a nigga, showing out on some little fucking old ass habib.

The video had plenty to do with the mind state of this young kid.

So what it was showed, he shouldn't been doing the shit to begin with and there wouldn't be a video.

For people to come up in here and act like his behavior is just some normal teen shit. So that's what's acceptable in the community now? Are standards that low now?

So we have these so called witness, his homeboy and they come up with this hands up shit, and the community without any reasoning believe that right off the jump? Then some other easily coerced teens say the same thing. What if they are not telling the truth?

Brown didn't know if the cop knew he was acting like a nigga at the corner store? Could Brown knowing what he just did was obviously not normal, become reactionary towards the cop?

Maybe there was a fight where Brown reached for his gun, I mean in LA didn't some autistic kid grab the police gun in the holster? Why would it no be plausible for Brown to do the same?

There are over a thousand scenarios that could have happened, but the community only picks the one that is favorable before the evidence is out.

Sure, the little bamma town police dropped the ball on the investigation, but it will get a proper investigation and the evidence will come out.

If it comes out again not in favor of the kid, will people cry even more looking for more excuses, pointing finger at others?

There is some evidence coming that will not be in favor of the narratives told by his homeboy.


What if he did try to "drop" the police man? What if he did reach for the gun? What if he did bum rush the cop and failed to comply? What if this kid was high already on some drug?

You seen niggas like Brown all day, hell you even post about it on this board. You know the mind state.

I am going to typecast both of them, because they gave me no other reason to think differently. I was skeptical from jump street.



Sure you can scream fuck the police all you want, but as soon as one of your own run up on you, steal some shit from you, rape someone in your family, beat your sister up, you be calling 911, and when that officer shows up and does his job will you share that narrative?

Cops are people to.

There are laws to protect cops. There are laws to protect citizens.

Then there is stuff you learned in kindergarden.

You don't take things that don't belong to you.
Keep your hands and feet to yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDU8Bk9jc-s&feature=youtu.be



>That community overreacted before all the evidence was out.
>They looked like savages without a plan or leadership, until
>the white man came in and gave these bammas a curfew.
>Bammas shooting each other during a protest, a kid at that.
>
>Brown in the video acting like a nigga, showing out on some
>little fucking old ass habib.
>
>The video had plenty to do with the mind state of this young
>kid.
>
>So what it was showed, he shouldn't been doing the shit to
>begin with and there wouldn't be a video.
>
>For people to come up in here and act like his behavior is
>just some normal teen shit. So that's what's acceptable in the
>community now? Are standards that low now?
>
>So we have these so called witness, his homeboy and they come
>up with this hands up shit, and the community without any
>reasoning believe that right off the jump? Then some other
>easily coerced teens say the same thing. What if they are not
>telling the truth?
>
>Brown didn't know if the cop knew he was acting like a nigga
>at the corner store? Could Brown knowing what he just did was
>obviously not normal, become reactionary towards the cop?
>
>Maybe there was a fight where Brown reached for his gun, I
>mean in LA didn't some autistic kid grab the police gun in the
>holster? Why would it no be plausible for Brown to do the
>same?
>
>There are over a thousand scenarios that could have happened,
>but the community only picks the one that is favorable before
>the evidence is out.
>
>Sure, the little bamma town police dropped the ball on the
>investigation, but it will get a proper investigation and the
>evidence will come out.
>
>If it comes out again not in favor of the kid, will people cry
>even more looking for more excuses, pointing finger at others?
>
>
>There is some evidence coming that will not be in favor of the
>narratives told by his homeboy.
>
>
>What if he did try to "drop" the police man? What if he did
>reach for the gun? What if he did bum rush the cop and failed
>to comply? What if this kid was high already on some drug?
>
>You seen niggas like Brown all day, hell you even post about
>it on this board. You know the mind state.
>
>I am going to typecast both of them, because they gave me no
>other reason to think differently. I was skeptical from jump
>street.
>
>
>
>Sure you can scream fuck the police all you want, but as soon
>as one of your own run up on you, steal some shit from you,
>rape someone in your family, beat your sister up, you be
>calling 911, and when that officer shows up and does his job
>will you share that narrative?
>
>Cops are people to.
>
>There are laws to protect cops. There are laws to protect
>citizens.
>
>Then there is stuff you learned in kindergarden.
>
>You don't take things that don't belong to you.
>Keep your hands and feet to yourself.
>
>
>
>
>
>

We are all going off speculation on what happened.


>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDU8Bk9jc-s&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
>>That community overreacted before all the evidence was out.
>>They looked like savages without a plan or leadership, until
>>the white man came in and gave these bammas a curfew.
>>Bammas shooting each other during a protest, a kid at that.
>>
>>Brown in the video acting like a nigga, showing out on some
>>little fucking old ass habib.
>>
>>The video had plenty to do with the mind state of this young
>>kid.
>>
>>So what it was showed, he shouldn't been doing the shit to
>>begin with and there wouldn't be a video.
>>
>>For people to come up in here and act like his behavior is
>>just some normal teen shit. So that's what's acceptable in
>the
>>community now? Are standards that low now?
>>
>>So we have these so called witness, his homeboy and they
>come
>>up with this hands up shit, and the community without any
>>reasoning believe that right off the jump? Then some other
>>easily coerced teens say the same thing. What if they are
>not
>>telling the truth?
>>
>>Brown didn't know if the cop knew he was acting like a nigga
>>at the corner store? Could Brown knowing what he just did
>was
>>obviously not normal, become reactionary towards the cop?
>>
>>Maybe there was a fight where Brown reached for his gun, I
>>mean in LA didn't some autistic kid grab the police gun in
>the
>>holster? Why would it no be plausible for Brown to do the
>>same?
>>
>>There are over a thousand scenarios that could have
>happened,
>>but the community only picks the one that is favorable
>before
>>the evidence is out.
>>
>>Sure, the little bamma town police dropped the ball on the
>>investigation, but it will get a proper investigation and
>the
>>evidence will come out.
>>
>>If it comes out again not in favor of the kid, will people
>cry
>>even more looking for more excuses, pointing finger at
>others?
>>
>>
>>There is some evidence coming that will not be in favor of
>the
>>narratives told by his homeboy.
>>
>>
>>What if he did try to "drop" the police man? What if he did
>>reach for the gun? What if he did bum rush the cop and
>failed
>>to comply? What if this kid was high already on some drug?
>>
>>You seen niggas like Brown all day, hell you even post about
>>it on this board. You know the mind state.
>>
>>I am going to typecast both of them, because they gave me no
>>other reason to think differently. I was skeptical from
>jump
>>street.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sure you can scream fuck the police all you want, but as
>soon
>>as one of your own run up on you, steal some shit from you,
>>rape someone in your family, beat your sister up, you be
>>calling 911, and when that officer shows up and does his job
>>will you share that narrative?
>>
>>Cops are people to.
>>
>>There are laws to protect cops. There are laws to protect
>>citizens.
>>
>>Then there is stuff you learned in kindergarden.
>>
>>You don't take things that don't belong to you.
>>Keep your hands and feet to yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

I do agree with you tho.

*ducks down*

That's a NARC.

Young people wont get shot as long as they don't make any mistakes. That is completely unacceptable. Yes...we all have to be personally accountable and yes...we have to raise our children to be so too. But that doesn't mean we also don't have a duty to uphold civilized society outside of our homes as well.

Pants Up Don't Loot
All this after that Kumba Church Service. SMH
The Thug Element has taken over in Ferguson.

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or giving up.

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if anything i heard he was running away, which doesn't make sense if
this autopsy shows he was not hit in the back.

how do you charge something in a (moving) vehicle? even if that was the
case, the officer could have hit him or something instead of shooting
(at least) six times. apparently he got out of his vehicle and shot. the feds are set
to perform an autopsy as well so, not sure if there will be any
discrepancies between them.

at least two shots to the head, one at the top.
he reportedly had his hands in the air kneeling down. how
is the officer going to explain that?


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"Roll me further bitch"

>if anything i heard he was running away, which doesn't make
>sense if
>this autopsy shows he was not hit in the back.
>
>how do you charge something in a (moving) vehicle? even if
>that was the
> case, the officer could have hit him or something instead of
>shooting
>(at least) six times. apparently he got out of his vehicle and
>shot. the feds are set
> to perform an autopsy as well so, not sure if there will be
>any
>discrepancies between them.
>
>that shot to the head was the one that killed him.
>he reportedly had his hands in the air kneeling down. how
>is the officer going to explain that?
>
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>"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
>even when it may exceed its effective scope."
>
>"Roll me further bitch"

They said his body jerked as if he'd been hit, after which he turned around.

What is your justification for the officer killing him?

Or untentional deathing?

"Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back."

>at least two shots to the head, one at the top.
>he reportedly had his hands in the air kneeling down. how
>is the officer going to explain that?

The diagram shows wounds in his arm, but it doesn't determine whether he was standing or kneeling.

re-entering at the collar bone

“I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close,” said Johnson, who said he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer when the first of several shots was fired at the teen. Johnson says he feared for his life as he watched the officer squeezing off shot after shot.
“I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.”

Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body.
“The whole time was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted.

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.

“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.

Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”
By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position.

2 to go

If youre talking about MB not getting hit in the back.....witnesses are not infallible. He THOUGHT (or reasoned) that MB was hit in the back. The jerking motion that witnesses have been reporting were always ambiguous. The sound of the shot probly scared him and he jerked his body around figuring he couldn't get away.

Yeah
Eye witnesses aint perfect
So now that "five witnesses came forward" is kinda shaky at best

Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back.

"One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

Sooooooo
Now we have to see if he

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0

EDIT:

Damn, I'm late

Placing him there at the time of the robbery may show he's biased with testimony.

He's the only witness to come forward and say what transpired for the entire altercation. They need him quiet.

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Where do you go from here?

https://governor.mo.gov/sites/default/files/Executive%20Order%2014-09.pdf

The Military’s Plans for Social Unrest: CONPLAN 3502, Civil Disturbance Operations and Martial Law
August 15, 2011

Alaska Army National Guard Soldiers assist Anchorage Police to calm or detain rioters as part of the training scenario of exercise Vigilant Guard Ft. Richardson, Alaska, Wednesday April 28, 2010. Vigilant Guard is an annual, disaster-based training scenario that tests the coordination of National Guard units with local, state, regional, and national disaster preparedness organizations. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Brian E. Christiansen, North Carolina National Guard)

Public Intelligence

Recent unrest in London has sparked media interest in the U.S. military’s plans for civil unrest, including a report from the Atlantic on a little known document called CONPLAN 3502. With economies declining around the world and social unrest spreading throughout the Middle East and even into Western democracies, many wonder what would happen if this sort of unrest and violence were to spread to the United States. Would the response be measured and calm, respecting popular movements and upholding fundamental human rights, or would the response look something more like what is happening in Syria?

To understand just what would happen in the event of widespread unrest in the United States, you must first familiarize yourself with CONPLAN 3502, the classified military plan for civil disturbances. A slide from a U.S. Northern Command presentation previously published by this site indicates that CONPLAN 3502 is one of several Contingency Plans (CONPLANs) for domestic U.S. military operations in the event of a disaster, terrorist attack or national security special event (NSSE). Several of the plans deal with Defense Support to Civil Authorities (DSCA) in times of disaster or crisis, including pandemic influenza outbreaks, nuclear and radiological events, as well as chemical weapons attacks. Though, CONPLAN 3502 is unique in that it deals exclusively with support operations conducted with local authorities during times of “civil disturbance”. Because CONPLAN 3502 is classified “Secret”, it has not been released to the public and little is known of its contents. However, through bits of information found in a number of relevant documents, a fairly coherent picture of military civil disturbance planning may be ascertained.

Prior to the establishment of U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) in 2002, the U.S. Army controlled planning for military civil disturbance operations, producing at least four separate versions of an Operations Plan (OPLAN) commonly referred to as Garden Plot. Four separate versions of this plan were obtained via Freedom of Information Act requests made by GovernmentAttic.org, including plans going back as far as 1968. These plans served as the groundwork for domestic civil disturbance operations as late as September 11, 2001 when Garden Plot was activated as Operation Noble Eagle. Garden Plot described the tactics, techniques, and procedures used by military personnel to conduct law enforcement operations, including riot control, domestic reconnaissance and surveillance, military law enforcement and even forcible detention of U.S. citizens. The U.S. military claims these capabilities are legally afforded them under Title 10, Chapter 15 a section of U.S. Code that comes from the Insurrection Act of 1807.(More)

https://publicintelligence.net/the-militarys-plans-for-social-unrest/

This is now going to be a Militarized city.

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Six times
No bullet exited thru rear
I skimmed nytimes article and it didnt say if it could tell his arms were raised

So now, since MB own family doc says he aint get shot in the back like all the eyewitnesses says,

WHAT DO WE DO?????

First find a place to organize, quietly.
Jewish folks have synagogues, Koreans have churches, Muslims have Mosques, so we need a similar place. It used to be the church, but seems like the majority of Black folks have turned away from that so another place is needed. Community centers or something.

The goal would be to get the majority of the residents of any community to gather on at least a weekly basis. What should be discussed?

1. First mitigate the amount of toxicity between us through dialogue and education
2. Second share strategies and support one another in improving our economic status.
3. Discuss how to protect ourselves within our communities

You could probably repeat those themes on a weekly basis for years until other outlets of improvement and self reliance become available. However this would at least (hopefully) help establish a solid core group of folks that could be rallied and deployed effectively for the inevitable return of tragedies such as this.

There's more than one video. One of them may have captured the shooting and possibly the action before. We wait before we reach a conclusion.

been made public.

The cell phone video of the shooting.

The officer's "injuries".

This is why I hate that info comes out piece by piece leaving room for everybody and their mama to try to play detective and analyze, assess, and draw conclusions before having everything.

nm

stand over him and fire (no gun powder residue on wounds)
the witness account is sounding more and more suspect

also i'm not sure what the entry wound on the top of the head proves
the examiner thinks that was one of the last shots
his body was probably falling forward, from the other shots, when that one hit

Two Eye witnesses on CNN last week and this morning confirm that the kid was running away. The young lady says the cop was shooting at Brown as he was running and when he got grazed on the arm he stopped and turned and that cop fired 5 more shots into his body.

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the autospy said there were no entry wounds from the back
this shit is all over the place
not sure if you caring matters or not
but there needs to be a conviction in order to prevent a massive riot and right today i wouldn't hold my breath on that with these facts coming out

from nytimes:
"Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr. Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an account that Dr. Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict."

Dr.Baden is working for Mike Browns family fwiw

contributed to the explosion of pent-up emotions and years of racism in that town.


>the autospy said there were no entry wounds from the back
>this shit is all over the place
>not sure if you caring matters or not
>but there needs to be a conviction in order to prevent a
>massive riot and right today i wouldn't hold my breath on that
>with these facts coming out
>
>from nytimes:
>"Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr.
>Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an
>account that Dr. Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict."
>
>Dr.Baden is working for Mike Browns family fwiw


It might have looked like he was hit in the back, if he was hit in the arm and buddy turned around with his hands up. Man things were happening so fast, Brown's friend may have gotten some details wrong, but the FACT remains. 6 shots into an unarmed person is Murder.



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So "eyewitnesses" dont always be that great
How many youtubes and news articles we read that MB was shot in the back, hand raised (as if he was stationary)?

Only to find out he was shot all six times IN FRONT

It reduces credibility of witnesses with contradictory statements like that.

Now we trying to figure out Manslaughter or Murder

It's Murder!


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9x9 = 81
So......

some of them might be fabricating, but theres a general storyline here.

it sounds like he was running away, then got hit. maybe that was the bullet that grazed him in the arm and he stopped and turned around after that. if he was grazed, it could have come from the back or front, right?

*He was shot from the front, so he wasn't running away.
*He wasn't shot at close range. So they weren't wrestling with each other or otherwise engaged physically at that point.

What was the kid doing that made the cop shoot 6 times? Is the cop gonna say that Mike Brown was charging him?

> Is
>the cop gonna say that Mike Brown was charging him?


and at this point it's looking like the eye witness account ain't worth shit
the thing that i'm confused about is the shot inside the car
did brown try to get the gun or not? either way how did the gun get out of the holster and who fired it inside the car
if the cop fired the gun he had possession and was already trying to hit Brown during the struggle....so how the hell did brown get that far away
i'm expecting them to say brown fired the shot in the car then backed away giving the cop a chance to regain control of the weapon and bring him down

> *He was shot from the front, so he wasn't running away.

He was running and the cop was shooting at him as he fled. He did turned around ad put his hand up and the office fired 5 more shots to the front of his body. 1 shot was suppose to have grazed his arm when he was running. That's why he stopped and turned around with his hands up.

> *He wasn't shot at close range. So they weren't wrestling
>with each other or otherwise engaged physically at that
>point.
>


Right.


> What was the kid doing that made the cop shoot 6 times? Is
>the cop gonna say that Mike Brown was charging him?


The girl today on CNN and the lady on last week said that Brown was just standing there in the street and the cop shot him..




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makes it pretty conclusive that he ran at some point

I saw the girl say it on tv just now.

To be honest, part of me believes that if they wouldn't have left his damn body out in the street for the whole hood to see for hours, we may not even be here.

Not that it wouldn't be an issue.

Not that folks wouldn't have protested on some level.

But leaving him out there like that made it come off as:

"Look at us. We did this to you. See what happens when you f**k with us?"

Now this whole thing has gone too far.

And for what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A

looks like a puppet being used by the authority to calm shit down
a high ranking police officer leading a march to protest against the police?
cmon
i'm not questioning his sincerity re: mike brown being a tragedy
but some of the moves look like blatant PR repair work
the police department(s) and media positioned him as a savior when really he can't guarantee shit as evidenced by the increased police presence and smoke bomb last night

Of course he's there to improve relations betw the police and public. He knows that. He's not being used, he's complicit. And it's a good idea bc the police could use a friendly face and voice as their representative with the public.

Get a black person with some authority who is from that area. He's a perfect go-between for the public & the police. Why wouldn't that be a good idea?

in the first place. nobody was fooled.

RE: Oh now they love Kanye. Lets put him all up in the front of the store.

> nobody was fooled.

and ppl were hyping that church speech like he was MLK or something
during the don lemon interview i saw, someone from the crowd literally handed him a picture of micheal brown and gave him a cue to hold the picture up and start talking about him
he has a hefty promotion coming for sure so i get it
but this situation is being manipulated from multiple angles

now you care basically calling him a puppet House Negro.
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he's a black man but he's still a high ranking policeman doing police work right now

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they just put him in a shitty position

How many times you seen a chinese/asian person be the first on the scene or lead reporter in acts like this?

But if an asian died they'd send the token asian.
No matter if the fam was Korean and the reporter is Japanese

As things have panned out and the debates in this post have shown I'm convinced that Wilson is going to claim that Mike Brown was a fleeing felon and that deadly force was necessary.

A felon in the sense that he forcefully robbed a store and resisted arrest or whatever.

Fairly certain that the grand jury will either not indict or offer a token prosecution.

The people of Ferguson will have no means of venting or addressing their anger/frustration and will lash out.

Obama will tell Ferguson to pull their pants up.

>As things have panned out and the debates in this post have
>shown I'm convinced that Wilson is going to claim that Mike
>Brown was a fleeing felon and that deadly force was
>necessary.

correct me if i'm wrong but, i heard the police chief say that
wilson did not know that brown was a suspect in the robbery.
also, the word 'fleeing' concerns me because according to the
autopsy report that was released, he was not shot in the back,
only in the front. so, how is that fleeing? was he running
backwards with his hands up?

how can you flee and/then charge? makes no sense. i mean, which
one is it? if he charges then flees, still makes no sense by the
manner in which he was reportedly shot.


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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

From the autopsy diagram MB was shot on the front (inside) part of the lower forearm (close to his right wrist)
This is not in line with a person having their hands raised above their head.
Furthermore, he was shot on the top part of right bicep
Again, not in line with having hands raised above head.


All that knowing if he was a suspect in a robbery is moot.




>As things have panned out and the debates in this post have
>>shown I'm convinced that Wilson is going to claim that Mike
>>Brown was a fleeing felon and that deadly force was
>>necessary.
>
>correct me if i'm wrong but, i heard the police chief say that
>
>wilson did not know that brown was a suspect in the robbery.
>
>also, the word 'fleeing' concerns me because according to the
>
>autopsy report that was released, he was not shot in the back,
>
>only in the front. so, how is that fleeing? was he running
>backwards with his hands up?
>
>how can you flee and/then charge? makes no sense. i mean,
>which
>one is it? if he charges then flees, still makes no sense by
>the
>manner in which he was reportedly shot.
>
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>"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
>even when it may exceed its effective scope."
>
>"Roll me further bitch"

>From the autopsy diagram MB was shot on the front (inside)
>part of the lower forearm (close to his right wrist)
>This is not in line with a person having their hands raised
>above their head.

it is in line. right now, if i raise my hands above my
head, my lower forearms are exposed. angles don't seem
to be factored into this at all either.


>Furthermore, he was shot on the top part of right bicep
>Again, not in line with having hands raised above head.

could have been shot when he lowered his arms after
he was shot initially? you don't get shot and continue
to raise your hands in the air. that's insane.

why are people making excuses for this cop? the black kid
was shot six fucking times while being unarmed. shit
was beyond excessive. james holmes is still living and he
killed 12 people.

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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

If he's accused of committing that felony and he does anything besides cuffs himself the officer can argue he was within his right to use deadly force.

If he flees, pulls away or whatever the claim can be made that he was resisting being "arrested" even if the officer wasn't sure he actually committed the crime.

It's really effed up the way LEO has so much leeway, and they are actually trying to change criminal codes in MO to give them more leeway.

does it justify Brown's murder? No, but it sways things significantly in the court of public opinion as well as in the county prosecutor's office.

The only people that really know what happened is the officer and Mike Brown and Brown is dead. The other witnesses that have come forward so far are not credible. I say so far because we don't know what the feds have.

So basically its the word of a live decorated police officer against a dead 6'4" 300 pound "kid" that had just committed strong-arm robbery.

Over the weekend I talked with a friend from STLPD that works in internal affairs and deals with officer involved shootings all the time and he says it might be really tough to get a conviction or even get a case to trial.

Basically a jury is going to have to determine what was going through that officer's mind at the time he was pulling the trigger. Did he FEEL that he was in danger or not? Did he THINK Brown was armed or not? Did he see a cigar or cigar box in Brown's hand that he THOUGHT was a weapon? During the physical altercation inside the vehicle prior to the shooting, was he punched in the head by Brown? Did he have a concussion? Does he remember what happened?

A good defense attorney can spin this all kinds of ways.

He could very easily get off. He may never be a police officer again but he probably will be able to avoid any jail time.

>
>A good defense attorney can spin this all kinds of ways.
>
>He could very easily get off. He may never be a police officer
>again but he probably will be able to avoid any jail time.

That's the key. Even before we get to how the jury pool was screwed from the start and how it is now being tampered with, wilson has protocol on his side.

It's not about right or wrong, it's about how things have been set up systematically to give them the advantage.

MB committing strong arm robbery is not something that has been setup systematically to give them the advantage. Neither would MB bum rushing the cop if that can be proven since according to a witness there was a physical altercation. There's a lot of behavior on MBs part, if substantiated, that allows for this scenario to potentially play out in an acquittal.

>>
>>A good defense attorney can spin this all kinds of ways.
>>
>>He could very easily get off. He may never be a police
>officer
>>again but he probably will be able to avoid any jail time.
>
>That's the key. Even before we get to how the jury pool was
>screwed from the start and how it is now being tampered with,
>wilson has protocol on his side.
>
>It's not about right or wrong, it's about how things have been
>set up systematically to give them the advantage.


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The laws allow officers to use deadly forcein a wide range of circumstances that don't necessarily have anything to do with them fearing for their life.

The officer will obviously tell a story that minimizes any excesses on his part. What I'm saying is that he doesn't have to do much because the law allows him to kill someone who he believes has committed a felony in an attempt to arrest.


>MB committing strong arm robbery is not something that has
>been setup systematically to give them the advantage. Neither
>would MB bum rushing the cop if that can be proven since
>according to a witness there was a physical altercation.
>There's a lot of behavior on MBs part, if substantiated, that
>allows for this scenario to potentially play out in an
>acquittal.
>
>>>
>>>A good defense attorney can spin this all kinds of ways.
>>>
>>>He could very easily get off. He may never be a police
>>officer
>>>again but he probably will be able to avoid any jail time.
>>
>>That's the key. Even before we get to how the jury pool was
>>screwed from the start and how it is now being tampered
>with,
>>wilson has protocol on his side.
>>
>>It's not about right or wrong, it's about how things have
>been
>>set up systematically to give them the advantage.
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But I doubt that
He might get an accidental deathing conviction
Do a few months in PC
Then a few months in halfway house
Then be out on bail
Open his own blackwater style security company and CAKE

the cop's version of the story.

I really want to hear his take on the shot that entered at the crown of MB's head.

So far, none of the witness accounts align with that.

He was "bumrushed".

and he shot him out of fear.

at least thats what his friend said.

the videos should settle that though.

one witness said they confiscated her phone.

No?

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"Roll me further bitch"

i haven't heard a single eyewitness say that he bumrushed him.
as i recall, wilson, is the only one saying that.


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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

a guy (sounds like a black guy) is describing what happened and he says "the next thing you know he starts coming BACK towards him".

>a guy (sounds like a black guy) is describing what happened
>and he says "the next thing you know he starts coming BACK
>towards him".
>

that the officer smacked it out the way and Mike punched him.
on top of that, once he got the gun back Mike taunted him saying: :You ain't gon shoot me"

Believe that bullshit if you want. The white men who make up these stories sound like a John Singleton script.
Just like Trayvon said "You gonna die tonight" to Zimmerman and "Ah, you got me" once being shot.

Fuck outta here to all of it

I don't believe any of them 100%.

But as you listen to them, you can pick out the small pieces of truth.

you think they was actually rumbling in the car?

what do you think happened?

of the car trying to choke him. I believe that's what the tussle was based on eye witness accounts. Then he opened the door with force while Mike was standing outside of it and it ricocheted back. I'll tell you I don't believe that bullshit she saying. What Black man with an angry cop pointing a gun is going to taunt him about not shooting?

Not only that, if Mike had of really grabbed that gun it would have been fingerprinted and bam released to everyone could shut up. But the boy was dead and taken away in a cop's truck instead of an ambulance. They could easily have put his prints on the gun if they wanted. I don't trust them at fucking all.

The confusion about which way the bullets entered his body can be cleared up if the Ferguson police give him clothing to 2nd and 3rd autopsy officials. According to Missouri law, if the family hadn't done their own autopsy, then they would have no right to access it.

im not sure i believe that shit

i just want CLEAR FACTS

MB is dead so we need to know if we need to go for Murder 2 or Manslaughter
and it needs to be THOUGHT OUT
so we dont have another Zimmerman on our hands
remember, if Zimmerman was tried for Manslaughter he woulda been easily convicted
but MURDER 2 was a hard hard conviction to make

so, i dont want them fumbling this on some damn technicality
like OJ


but honestly, i never heard of any officer trying to grab/arrest a 300lbs guy standing outside the car while the officer is seated in his car (prolly with seatbelt on).

the crux of the case will rest on those split seconds right before the officer started shooting
what was going through the officers mind?
what was MB doing to make the officer "afraid for his own life"?


>of the car trying to choke him. I believe that's what the
>tussle was based on eye witness accounts. Then he opened the
>door with force while Mike was standing outside of it and it
>ricocheted back. I'll tell you I don't believe that bullshit
>she saying. What Black man with an angry cop pointing a gun is
>going to taunt him about not shooting?
>
>Not only that, if Mike had of really grabbed that gun it would
>have been fingerprinted and bam released to everyone could
>shut up. But the boy was dead and taken away in a cop's truck
>instead of an ambulance. They could easily have put his prints
>on the gun if they wanted. I don't trust them at fucking all.
>
>
>The confusion about which way the bullets entered his body can
>be cleared up if the Ferguson police give him clothing to 2nd
>and 3rd autopsy officials. According to Missouri law, if the
>family hadn't done their own autopsy, then they would have no
>right to access it.

outside of investigators with his attorney present

As a fellow LEO with 9+ years of experience I can say without a doubt that had I been put in the same situation I would have done the same exact thing. A LEO has the right to use deadly force to protect their own life or the life of another. LEO's also have the right to use deadly force if there is the likelihood of incurring serious bodily injury. Not to mention that POS being a fleeing violent felon. You tell me where Ofc. Wilson violated the law. Its a damn shame, im sure he was a great cop and now what will he do. He will never be safe in that community.The bias of the media is unbelievable and I find myself furious while watching the coverage. I know this could easily happen to myself or any other LEO. My prayers are with you and your family Officer Darren Wilson. - LOUIS BENNETT

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he wasn't a felon in that cop's eyes

he had no prior knowledge of that "robbery"

especially since he actually paid for the shit but tussled with the store owner/worker

like why are you touting that narrative...

that vid was them digging for dirt...unsuccessfully...they already admitted to their not being a crime reported, and the store said none was committed...so what felony did he commit again?

Rather we agree with him or not. Police officers in MO have leeway to shoot in instances when they are not in immediate danger.

We have a tendency to come to the conclusion that he didn't have to shoot him. But under the law, unfortunately, he can shoot him if he wants to.

It could easily go that way.

The only thing that may change that is our collective outrage at the possibility.

As for the other issues.. I'm not sure that he actually "paid". I suspected it at first but I don't think the videos show that and I don't think dorian says that. There are two cameras. The video that makes it look like he paid is only one camera. I think he may have paid for a lesser number than he walked out with and got called on it. Either that or the store owner thought he did. A customer called the cops so apparently someone in the store at the time believed something happened.

I don't think he had to commit a felony for an officer to be able to shoot, just the belief that he did is enough.

>he wasn't a felon in that cop's eyes
>
>he had no prior knowledge of that "robbery"
>
>especially since he actually paid for the shit but tussled
>with the store owner/worker
>
>like why are you touting that narrative...
>
>that vid was them digging for dirt...unsuccessfully...they
>already admitted to their not being a crime reported, and the
>store said none was committed...so what felony did he commit
>again?

revealed

- one of the graze wounds on the arm may have happened from front or back (the witnesses said his body jerked while running away, then he turned around. also possible he jerked from hearing the shots going past him. either way not inconsistent with report)
- the head shots line up with MB kneeled down in defensive posture
-the wound in the palm was possible from a "hands up" stance
- the teenager may have survived the first 4 shots if not for the 2 head shots

-no gun residue on body suggests the gun was at least 2 feet away
-the location of the body is 20+ feet from either car shown in the clips


also released:
-the store said they didnt call the cops on the robbery
-a woman said she was a nurse and came out to attend to brown and the cops prevented her from approaching
-after laying out for 4+ hours, they put his body in the back of the SUV. like they shot a deer or some shtt


not sure what ppl feel is contradicted there, but funny that the police chief and fugazi unsigned-by-the-officer incident report already contradict about 3 times. i guess some folks giving them a pass tho

now im thinking this is what happened
all that shit was as they said

1. i believe office tried to detain MB and place him into the squad car

2. MB was a big dude and fought the officer off of him

3. MB maybe pushed/mushed officer back into squad car

4. MB then took off running

5. officer fired a shot (possibl grazing MB)

6. MB stops, turns around, hands up and surrenders

7. MB then begins to taunt officer like "you aint gone shoot me. you aint gone do shit"

8. MB inches fwd/closer toward officer like a bull getting ready to charge the toro

9. MB then makes a sudden move or charges toward officer

10. officer then begins to empty his clip

11. MB is a big dude full of testosterone so them first couple shots dont subdue him

12. MB finally begins to fall/kneel fwd and as the officer continues to discharge his weapon MB gets hit in crown of head

the end

do yall agree?



>revealed
>
>- one of the graze wounds on the arm may have happened from
>front or back (the witnesses said his body jerked while
>running away, then he turned around. also possible he jerked
>from hearing the shots going past him. either way not
>inconsistent with report)
>- the head shots line up with MB kneeled down in defensive
>posture
>-the wound in the palm was possible from a "hands up" stance
>- the teenager may have survived the first 4 shots if not for
>the 2 head shots
>
>-no gun residue on body suggests the gun was at least 2 feet
>away
>-the location of the body is 20+ feet from either car shown in
>the clips
>
>
>also released:
>-the store said they didnt call the cops on the robbery
>-a woman said she was a nurse and came out to attend to brown
>and the cops prevented her from approaching
>-after laying out for 4+ hours, they put his body in the back
>of the SUV. like they shot a deer or some shtt
>
>
>not sure what ppl feel is contradicted there, but funny that
>the police chief and fugazi unsigned-by-the-officer incident
>report already contradict about 3 times. i guess some folks
>giving them a pass tho
>

>now im thinking this is what happened
>all that shit was as they said
>
>1. i believe office tried to detain MB and place him into the
>squad car
>
>2. MB was a big dude and fought the officer off of him
>
>3. MB maybe pushed/mushed officer back into squad car
>
>4. MB then took off running
>
>5. officer fired a shot (possibl grazing MB)
>
>6. MB stops, turns around, hands up and surrenders
>
>7. MB then begins to taunt officer like "you aint gone shoot
>me. you aint gone do shit"
>
>8. MB inches fwd/closer toward officer like a bull getting
>ready to charge the toro
>
>9. MB then makes a sudden move or charges toward officer
>
>10. officer then begins to empty his clip
>
>11. MB is a big dude full of testosterone so them first couple
>shots dont subdue him
>
>12. MB finally begins to fall/kneel fwd and as the officer
>continues to discharge his weapon MB gets hit in crown of
>head
>
>the end
>
>do yall agree?
>
>
>

It assumes that the officer made no mistakes. We can be sure that he did, in a tense situation everyone would. The way Ferguson PD, STL County and Missouri state troopers are bungling crowd control, maintaining peace and investigation/leaks they obviously don't run a tight ship.

He shot him six times (excessive), he didn't call for ems, he didn't even report that there had been a shooting (dispatch learned from the news).

All those were colossal mistakes and the department and the politicians there continue to make blunder after blunder everyday.

To come up with a scenario where he did everything by the book is not even imaginable given what we already know.


Not to mention all of the witnesses who say otherwise.



>now im thinking this is what happened
>all that shit was as they said
>
>1. i believe office tried to detain MB and place him into the
>squad car
>
>2. MB was a big dude and fought the officer off of him
>
>3. MB maybe pushed/mushed officer back into squad car
>
>4. MB then took off running
>
>5. officer fired a shot (possibl grazing MB)
>
>6. MB stops, turns around, hands up and surrenders
>
>7. MB then begins to taunt officer like "you aint gone shoot
>me. you aint gone do shit"
>
>8. MB inches fwd/closer toward officer like a bull getting
>ready to charge the toro
>
>9. MB then makes a sudden move or charges toward officer
>
>10. officer then begins to empty his clip
>
>11. MB is a big dude full of testosterone so them first couple
>shots dont subdue him
>
>12. MB finally begins to fall/kneel fwd and as the officer
>continues to discharge his weapon MB gets hit in crown of
>head
>
>the end
>
>do yall agree?
>
>
>
>>revealed
>>
>>- one of the graze wounds on the arm may have happened from
>>front or back (the witnesses said his body jerked while
>>running away, then he turned around. also possible he
>jerked
>>from hearing the shots going past him. either way not
>>inconsistent with report)
>>- the head shots line up with MB kneeled down in defensive
>>posture
>>-the wound in the palm was possible from a "hands up" stance
>>- the teenager may have survived the first 4 shots if not
>for
>>the 2 head shots
>>
>>-no gun residue on body suggests the gun was at least 2 feet
>>away
>>-the location of the body is 20+ feet from either car shown
>in
>>the clips
>>
>>
>>also released:
>>-the store said they didnt call the cops on the robbery
>>-a woman said she was a nurse and came out to attend to
>brown
>>and the cops prevented her from approaching
>>-after laying out for 4+ hours, they put his body in the
>back
>>of the SUV. like they shot a deer or some shtt
>>
>>
>>not sure what ppl feel is contradicted there, but funny that
>>the police chief and fugazi unsigned-by-the-officer incident
>>report already contradict about 3 times. i guess some folks
>>giving them a pass tho
>>
>

Popo didnt call ems fast enough
Didnt cover the body fast enough

Lets focus on what led up to the first shot fired

I didn't even analyze the facts. You said he did everything right. I'm saying that's "unpossible".

Based on everything we know his whole crew is a bunch of bumbling idiots, there is no indication that this transpired out of that pocket of idiocy.



>Popo didnt call ems fast enough
>Didnt cover the body fast enough
>
>Lets focus on what led up to the first shot fired

not that he just did some stuff wrong
Yall gonna fuck around and lose this case like zimmerman if you keep leading with emotion

I never said copper did everything right

I was asking what transpired in those 5 to 35 seconds before copper fired the first shot?

Was he in imminent danger?

Did MB make a move to bumrush copper like MB friend said?

You clearly have disdain for all police from LA to StL to NYC

You asked if we agreed. I don't. The Ferguson police are too reactionary, too untrained and too emotional.

All that should be taken into account. What you ran down is no different from what "Josie" said.

I'm just using deduction here.

Based on what we know about Ferguson cops it is likely that he fucked up somewhere along the way and they are colluding to work out the kinks.

Chief Jackson's maneuvering makes that very, very clear. He wants to protect one of his own. That's not what happens when everything is on your side. Shit, even when it's not. I've never seen a police department act so shook. He has very little confidence in this case.


>not that he just did some stuff wrong
>Yall gonna fuck around and lose this case like zimmerman if
>you keep leading with emotion
>
>I never said copper did everything right
>
>I was asking what transpired in those 5 to 35 seconds before
>copper fired the first shot?
>
>Was he in imminent danger?
>
>Did MB make a move to bumrush copper like MB friend said?
>
>You clearly have disdain for all police from LA to StL to NYC

Yall would overcharge the copper and lose miserably.

Have dude skate scott free
Or at best get second degree involuntary manslaughter with a suspended sentence.

Yall need to come off that emotion and figure out what you can PROVE without an unreasonable doubt

As it stands now, all this evidence is circumstantial

Each of the witnesses can be picked a part and shown to have bias against Fergusson PD to begin with

Yall better stay woke!!!

Just giving my take on your rundown, like you asked.

Not emotional - Just the facts.

It's not even likely that all of Josie's story is true. Do you realize that if one piece of her story is not true he's going to jail?

Mike Brown could be a POS (as the cops like to say), he could be a hamas terrorist but none of that matters with the facts from what we consider his angle.

A lot of things can be wrong about the Mike Brown story.

Nothing can be wrong about the Darren Wilson story.


>Yall would overcharge the copper and lose miserably.
>
>Have dude skate scott free
>Or at best get second degree involuntary manslaughter with a
>suspended sentence.
>
>Yall need to come off that emotion and figure out what you can
>PROVE without an unreasonable doubt
>
>As it stands now, all this evidence is circumstantial
>
>Each of the witnesses can be picked a part and shown to have
>bias against Fergusson PD to begin with
>
>Yall better stay woke!!!
>
>

1. riding thru residential street, Darren Wilson tries to intimidate civilian teenagers 2 get them from in front of his squad car



2. Darren Wilson was a power trip authoritarian dude and didn't like being ignored or shown up. He confronts but does not tell teenagers they are under arrest or being detained for any crime.


3. Darren Wilson pulls alongside and reaches out the squad car to grip up and grab one of the teenagers


4. DW maybe tries opening car door also while strong arming teenager and grabbing for his cuffs and
and gun


5. Darren Wilson wrestles with civilian when Gun goes off and civilian starts running


6. Darren Wilson escalates and fires multiple shots in residential neighborhood(possibly grazing MB once from 30 ft out)


7. Civilian stops, turns around, hands up and surrenders

8. DW is still juiced up with blood in his eyes and a surrender without genuflecting just wont satisfy, ie "how dare u not respect my authority and do as your told? Im a white male with a gun and badge. don't u know what that means? No? Well let me show you"


9. Darren Wilson is 15-30 ft away from the teenager yet "fears for his life" and resumes firing.


10. Civilian Falls to his knees as 4 shots from DW subdue him


11. Wilson is not satisfied and approaches injured teenager in prone position, shoots teenager twice more in face and head

12. DW leaves his kill on the street for 4 hours then loads him into the back of a suv. Big game

>the end
>
>do yall agree?
>
>
>
>>revealed
>>
>>- one of the graze wounds on the arm may have happened from
>>front or back (the witnesses said his body jerked while
>

>

Leave the emotions out of it

you jus wrote out what she said verbatim.. zero credibility .. foh

All witnesses have varying stories
How many of those stories say MB rushed copper
Gotta get to the facts man
We know MB is dead
Now lets work backwards and figure out if Murder 2 or Manslaughter

U can say/want Murder 2 off rip
But see how far that got us in Zimmermans case

they stay out in front of the game....first off..they been withholding info all this time..but they gon suddenly allow some random friend bitch to call a radio station and give the cops account of the story???? CMON....cops attorney couldve easily paid some bitch to call a radio station bcz they know that shit will go viral....

i aint believing shit until its verified with a blue check mark..

U a NARC?

Then why u concentratin on the BS?
Please please please stay focused bruh
Read my post below where i outline the three points that need to be proven to convict this copper

Yall russian in like a bull in a china shop.

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>you jus wrote out what she said verbatim.. zero credibility
>.. foh

>1. i believe office tried to detain MB and place him into the
>squad car
>
>2. MB was a big dude and fought the officer off of him
>
>3. MB maybe pushed/mushed officer back into squad car
>
>4. MB then took off running

>5. officer fired a shot



i'm thinking this is the bullet that DID graze MB as he was running, causing his body to jerk, then turn around and surrender.



>6. MB stops, turns around, hands up and surrenders

>7. MB then begins to taunt officer like "you aint gone shoot
>me. you aint gone do shit"
>
>8. MB inches fwd/closer toward officer like a bull getting
>ready to charge the toro
>
>9. MB then makes a sudden move or charges toward officer


i do not think he would talk shit after he had just been grazed by a bullet. and i do not think he would charge forward after being grazed. and if he had indeed charged forward, then at least one witness would have said something to that effect. you have multiple witnesses who saw the incident from various perspectives, and none of them said anything about him running back towards the officer. they all said, "police just shot that dude for no reason."


>
>10. officer then begins to empty his clip
>
>11. MB is a big dude full of testosterone so them first couple
>shots dont subdue him


this makes me wonder about how quickly the shots happened.

>
>12. MB finally begins to fall/kneel fwd and as the officer
>continues to discharge his weapon MB gets hit in crown of
>head


i wonder if they took any pictures.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/18/youtube-video-captures-purported-witness-backing-police-version-in-ferguson/

There's a dude in the background talking and he mentions MB coming back towards the cop.

>i do not think he would talk shit after he had just been
>grazed by a bullet. and i do not think he would charge forward
>after being grazed. and if he had indeed charged forward, then
>at least one witness would have said something to that effect.
>you have multiple witnesses who saw the incident from various
>perspectives, and none of them said anything about him running
>back towards the officer. they all said, "police just shot
>that dude for no reason."
>

What the eff is going on here.

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What customer in the hood is calling the cops over that shit? People mind their business about stuff like that. Can't even get people to snitch about real stuff, let alone some cigars. If the store owners didn't even call the police about it, come on.

but as i said before
it is hella easy to disprove that 911 call with either the recording
or a failed call thruput from some cellphone tower

which i knew NONE would surface
so them was all lies from the jump

the person identified as Mike actually paying for the cigarillos that were said to be stolen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maA1FUJqhew

They looking more and more inept the longer this drags out.

Releasing that tape looks even dumber now and I didn't think that was possible.

he doesnt walk out with the big box and he just hands the small one to his friend.

it's one thing for this incident to be an irrelevant diversion, it's another for it to be a complete fabrication.

i also love how idiots keep bringing up the kid's size. as if that matters. being big and tall makes people so nervous. do we live in a universe of little old ladies or what?

>he doesnt walk out with the big box and he just hands the
>small one to his friend.


Hmmmm
Why did he rough up the clerk then?
I want audio.




>i also love how idiots keep bringing up the kid's size. as if
>that matters. being big and tall makes people so nervous. do
>we live in a universe of little old ladies or what?

U serious?
Dude is NFL DT size and you acting like that aint relevant?
You know this 18 year old young MAN is faaaar larger than the average 5-9 160 lbs OKP male.

Im not "big" and Im bigger than everyone in my office.
Most in my bldg.
And MB is like twice my size.
He definitely not slammable.
MB was warren sapp size dude.
Aint no way around it.
That mofo was big.

If me and MB got into it in the street and he bumrushed me,
I wouldnt be able to handle his size/girth
I would be lookin for a weapon

>U serious?
>Dude is NFL DT size and you acting like that aint relevant?


you could see how intimating dude was in the store video
i still think the cop overreacted but there are a lot of factors involved in this.

doesnt make sense for him to be a regular visitor to that neighborhood store and try to strong arm a clerk..hes still gotta walk those streets...HOWEVER it does make sense that he forgot his ID..and he mushed the clerk and said some shit like FOOL YOU KNOW ME..i always come here and buy these..i forgot my ID...

that makes complete sense to me

Stop being bullheaded

it wont be...but the public perception of what happened in that store is...and strong arming and paying with no ID is a big difference...

You get sidetracked this easy?
Stay on task.
That is to find out WHY copper shot MB.
Thats how we will bring justice.

Dont be foolish, man.

Be sensible.

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dudes.

but he's TALKING BOUT IT.

and about how this show of force by the police is worse than some shit he's seen in Bagram.

come the fuck on.


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They must not spend much time on US history in the UK. Like, w must be a paragraph in their textbooks after the Revolutionary War and that's it.

The ones trying to provoke police be cause I guess she thinks that's more accurate than spraying whole crowds with tear gas.

People are rioting, looting, throwing molotov cocktails and burning down buildings. Are the police supposed to show up like this:

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I was too young to remember the LA riots coverage but this tragedy has garnered a huge amount of int attention and coverage+ Amnesty sending staff etc.
I don't recall anything similar in my lifetime for a BLACK man.
Hopefully it helps changes things along with the greater domestic efforts.

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Only thing relevant to this case is the timeline from when copper first seen MB and told him to get out the street until the first shot was fired and from that point until the last shot was fired.

Is that not how you OKLegal would proceed with this case?

Disect it like this:

1. What made copper fire first shot?

Then have to review from copper's first sight of MB
Then coppers first interaction with MB (yelling get out the street)
To somehow that first shot being fired. There is A LOT missing between these two!

2. The first shot, was it a warning round in the air? Was it intended to maim/disable (aimed at leg or arm)? Or was intended to KILL?

3. After first shot was fired, between each of the next rounds fired....WHY? why did copper need to fire subseqquent rounds and place them in the center of the torso (death shots)?

Those should be building blocks for proving that copper was negligent in some form. It can go from Involuntary 2nd degree manslaughter up to 2nd Degree Murder

But it is about what you can PROVE not what you know or FEEL.



Oh yEah, and get off that store video
It aint shit to do with MB death as the copper never knew it took place or that MB was even involved until WELL AFTER mb's death

STAY WOKE!!!!

MB doesn't know that the cops aren't trying to apprehend him because of what happened in the convenience store. That could definitely play a role in how MB responded to the police. Also, the video does give a glimpse of his demeanor & morals which certainly could lend credibility to the cops narrative.


>Only thing relevant to this case is the timeline from when
>copper first seen MB and told him to get out the street until
>the first shot was fired and from that point until the last
>shot was fired.
>
>Is that not how you OKLegal would proceed with this case?
>
>Disect it like this:
>
>1. What made copper fire first shot?
>
>Then have to review from copper's first sight of MB
>Then coppers first interaction with MB (yelling get out the
>street)
>To somehow that first shot being fired. There is A LOT missing
>between these two!
>
>2. The first shot, was it a warning round in the air? Was it
>intended to maim/disable (aimed at leg or arm)? Or was
>intended to KILL?
>
>3. After first shot was fired, between each of the next rounds
>fired....WHY? why did copper need to fire subseqquent rounds
>and place them in the center of the torso (death shots)?
>
>Those should be building blocks for proving that copper was
>negligent in some form. It can go from Involuntary 2nd degree
>manslaughter up to 2nd Degree Murder
>
>But it is about what you can PROVE not what you know or FEEL.
>
>
>
>Oh yEah, and get off that store video
>It aint shit to do with MB death as the copper never knew it
>took place or that MB was even involved until WELL AFTER mb's
>death
>
>STAY WOKE!!!!


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no ID aint stealing

since it's plausible.. Does MB know that the clerk still didn't call the police? There are still very good reasons to believe MB thought the store incident was the reason for the stop. However, even if that wasn't the case his behavior in that store doesn't help his case.


BTW, there's a problem with this ID angle. You generally have to show ID before the transaction is complete. So why would the clerk be trying to stop him if he completed the transaction? Maybe he paid for something & tried to get something else that required ID and the clerk refused to sell it to him. I guess it will all come out.


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I just want the truth, I don't side with anyone right now, but the more days past it ain't looking good for Mike Brown or black people in ferguson general on the TV cause those people in ferguson looking like savages as each day passes taking away from what they want.

However we already knew Ferguson was a shit hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA4IT-rGNDg&feature=youtu.be

after the laws told media to get out of canfield, this group was on the ground and in the middle of it all

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-journalists-arrested/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

"This was a very new experience," Graw wrote, according to an English-language translation of his German-language account. "I've been in several conflict zones: I was in the civil war regions in Georgia, the Gaza strip, illegally visited the Kaliningrad region when travel to the Soviet Union was still strictly prohibited for westerners, I've been in Iraq, Vietnam and in China, I've met Cuba dissidents. But to be arrested and yelled at and be rudely treated by police? For that I had to travel to Ferguson and St. Louis in the United States of America."

Billed as a "theft deterrent" mechanism, but we know what's really for.

https://cdt.org/blog/california-kill-switch-bill-could-be-used-to-disrupt-protests/

This week the California legislature passed a bill that requires all smartphones to include a “kill switch” that can remotely render the device inoperable. Although created to deter smartphone theft, this kill switch mandate could actually become a nefarious tool co-opted by government to suppress protests.

Kill switch mandates suffer a variety of flaws that CDT has discussed previously. However, the California bill is especially troubling on the issue of police using the feature to shut down phones. The legislation states that government agents may use the kill switch so long as their activities comply with Section 7908 of the Public Utilities Code. This law allows governments to disrupt communications under certain guidelines with judicial authorization, but also includes an “emergency” exception that requires no independent approval.

Police could use the kill switch to shut down all phones in a situation they unilaterally perceive as presenting an imminent risk of danger.
This means that police could use the kill switch to shut down all phones in a situation they unilaterally perceive as presenting an imminent risk of danger. It’s not hard to imagine law enforcement putting such a label on a protest: Managers of the BART subway system shut down cell service in four stations just prior to planned anti-police demonstrations in 2011, claiming the disruptive measure was justified by public safety concerns.

This week’s events in Ferguson, Missouri highlight the risks of abuse all too clearly. Police have repeatedly attempted to disrupt protests and ordered both demonstrators and press to turn off recording devices. If the California bill were in place in Missouri, these officers might deploy the government kill switch alongside tear gas and rubber bullets, using the mandated technology to stop coordination between protesters, cut off access to outside information, and shut down video recordings that can deter police misconduct.

The purpose of the California kill switch bill may be to turn stolen phones into worthless “bricks,” but in its current form it could be used to brick protests that police disapprove of. Such a measure is unnecessary, and highly dangerous to the exercise of civil liberties. The bill is now before Governor Jerry Brown, who has a poor record on tech issues that pit police power against civil liberties; last year he vetoed a bill that would have required police to obtain a warrant to read emails over six months old (those not already covered by a warrant requirement).

So long as it contains the threat of disruption of demonstrations, the choice on this measure should be clear: It’s time to kill the kill switch bill.

Just heard that the schnucks over there is closing at 5

Now all y'all that were strugging off the looters hopefully see how much harm they are doing

And u know they ppl out there trying to protest and direct their aggression toward the police can't say shit to the looters cause they're just as likely to get shot or beat up by them as they are by the police

That really pisses me the fuck off

Black ppl aren't ever gonna be able to really progress with muthafuckas like that being in the man mix

I hope all their asses get arrested and that the police correctly identify who is doing what

Just got home from work and saw it as breaking news on a local station

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I am waiting for the excuses.

he had a knife. i understand that when threatened, officers have a directive to shoot-to-kill. but why in situations like this? or with mike brown?

i'm not naive enough to believe that being unarmed means that you can't cause physical harm to others, or that officers should not protect themselves and others when threatened. but it seems like in a situation like this, officers should be able to shoot an offender in the leg...or arm...or use a taser...or rubber bullets. i dunno.

i think i take issue with SHOOT TO KILL in EVERY situation.

i understand that some situations warrant shoot to kill (like that situation in the Ohio Walmart), but when no weapon is involved, or it's a weapon that can be easily disarmed in another manner, it just seems that shoot to kill is excessive.

i dunno.

His actions warranted him being shot, not police fault he died.
Cops are people to.
You can die from a taser, you can die from someone's hands, and specially a knife.
Go take your meds, put the knife up, chill he might still be breathing today and able to get in the next line for some govt handout or the new Js.
Naw, they probably tell us he was going to med school.



>he had a knife. i understand that when threatened, officers
>have a directive to shoot-to-kill. but why in situations like
>this? or with mike brown?
>
>i'm not naive enough to believe that being unarmed means that
>you can't cause physical harm to others, or that officers
>should not protect themselves and others when threatened. but
>it seems like in a situation like this, officers should be
>able to shoot an offender in the leg...or arm...or use a
>taser...or rubber bullets. i dunno.
>
>i think i take issue with SHOOT TO KILL in EVERY situation.
>
>i understand that some situations warrant shoot to kill (like
>that situation in the Ohio Walmart), but when no weapon is
>involved, or it's a weapon that can be easily disarmed in
>another manner, it just seems that shoot to kill is excessive.
>
>
>i dunno.

This man was murdered for "behaving erratically" or for some "pastries" depending on which report you believe.

Cops are idiots. Two cops for some fucking pastries? It wasn't even worth 5 minutes of taxpayer paid payroll to look into it. If the call was about him being erratic they should have behaved in a way appropriate for someone with mental illness. Now another life is lost cuz these niggas wanted to be dirty harry.



>His actions warranted him being shot, not police fault he
>died.
>Cops are people to.
>You can die from a taser, you can die from someone's hands,
>and specially a knife.
>Go take your meds, put the knife up, chill he might still be
>breathing today and able to get in the next line for some govt
>handout or the new Js.
>Naw, they probably tell us he was going to med school.
>
>
>
>>he had a knife. i understand that when threatened, officers
>>have a directive to shoot-to-kill. but why in situations
>like
>>this? or with mike brown?
>>
>>i'm not naive enough to believe that being unarmed means
>that
>>you can't cause physical harm to others, or that officers
>>should not protect themselves and others when threatened.
>but
>>it seems like in a situation like this, officers should be
>>able to shoot an offender in the leg...or arm...or use a
>>taser...or rubber bullets. i dunno.
>>
>>i think i take issue with SHOOT TO KILL in EVERY situation.
>>
>>i understand that some situations warrant shoot to kill
>(like
>>that situation in the Ohio Walmart), but when no weapon is
>>involved, or it's a weapon that can be easily disarmed in
>>another manner, it just seems that shoot to kill is
>excessive.
>>
>>
>>i dunno.

the police chief why the guy wasn't shot in the foot or leg. He said, 'at the end of the day officers should be able to go home' and that 'it is not easy to shoot someone in the foot or leg... it isn't like on tv or movies.'

:-/

I think that with this city already being on edge, they should have done everything they could have not to kill him. Well, they should do everything not to kill anytime, but especially now.

training you're taught to aim for "center mass" to "immediately incapacitate" the threat.

You only shoot to kill....

you shoot the biggest target.. that's someones body..

He aint Eddie Murphy in Harlem Nights..

I think we DO need an in between. I have seen too many taser vids where the cat tased just keeps running.. and obviously we cant just be killing EVERYONE so...

Non lethal fully immobilizing... someone got suggestions?

This guy may have been.

Yea.. thats what I was saying..

I've seen normal cats.. just run that shit off..

I was saying we need something in between... something that wont kill but will immobilize..

Suspect with weapon is given a specific order. Any disobedience is considered a threat to the officer. The officer is taught to assume the suspect means to harm the officer or public.

And as said, they're not trained to shoot at extremities.

This ain't the case to make a stand about overly aggressive policing. Not based on what we know now.

as you indicated, this dude may have been mentally ill. the mentally ill are not apt to respond logically to direct orders the same as someone with their wits about them. to me, that's all the more reason to have some kind of measure between give a direct order and kill. i don't know what that is, but i think there should be something in place.

increasingly, we are seeing more and more mental health issues, and i think our public servants (not just police) need to be better equipped to deal with them.

plus, i just think that in general there should be an alternative to SHOOT TO KILL.

i agree with you that this incident with the knife guy isn't the example for a cause to rally behind. nonetheless, i'd like to see some change in this policy.

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when there is clear and present danger though. The cop wants to go home to his wife and kids as well. We all get the luxury of playing monday morning QB but in that moment you have incomplete data including how much time you have before your life could be over. Those guys are putting the lives at risk by simply being in those situations. Once a threat is present you can't ask them to play doctor or psychiatrist in the field. Self preservation kicks in at some point.


>as you indicated, this dude may have been mentally ill. the
>mentally ill are not apt to respond logically to direct orders
>the same as someone with their wits about them. to me, that's
>all the more reason to have some kind of measure between give
>a direct order and kill. i don't know what that is, but i
>think there should be something in place.
>
>increasingly, we are seeing more and more mental health
>issues, and i think our public servants (not just police) need
>to be better equipped to deal with them.
>
>plus, i just think that in general there should be an
>alternative to SHOOT TO KILL.
>
>i agree with you that this incident with the knife guy isn't
>the example for a cause to rally behind. nonetheless, i'd like
>to see some change in this policy.


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>i understand that some situations warrant shoot to kill (like
>that situation in the Ohio Walmart), but when no weapon is
>involved, or it's a weapon that can be easily disarmed in
>another manner, it just seems that shoot to kill is excessive.



you think a knife being swung at you by a CRAZY PERSON is "easily disarmed"?

book'er Danno!

you yelling "shoot me now. kill me now" and coming toward the cop with knife, in protest to the cops killing someone without a weapon.... you shouldn't expect anything less than death. that's someone insane or who just doen't give a fuck. either way, i don't really fault the cops for not risking trying a tazer on someone that dangerous/unstable.

Why can't they just shoot the knife out his hand???!!!

>Why can't they just shoot the knife out his hand???!!!

But police are just too stupid.

If police get a call saying that there's a guy with a gun threatening to shoot himself they come in with snipers and bean bags and negotiators.

If they get a call saying there's a guy with a gun talking to himself two cops show up and shoot to kill.







>Why can't they just shoot the knife out his hand???!!!

...in a highly stressful, high adrenaline situation. They've been watchin' too much Drag-Along-Droopy (the scene where the antagonist shoots a fly off the top of a mountain hundreds of feet away) or something.




Since 1976

Is there a defined goal or "success" point/threshold?
What is that?

i've heard 'em say they'll be out there until that happens.

their point is to keep public pressure on the police and prosecutors so they don't sweep this case under the rug. they want a transparent process.

But they needed to move QUICK
Shoulda called a special grand jury session last week

if the grand jury doesn't return an indictment but the process has been fair then i'm sure some will still be upset but i expect the street action to die down. most will just drop the issue. some will keep their fire burning but act in different ways.

>if the grand jury doesn't return an indictment but the
>process has been fair then i'm sure some will still be upset
>but i expect the street action to die down. most will just
>drop the issue. some will keep their fire burning but act in
>different ways.

.

Black people can keep killing black people

Schools can remain fucked up.

Lack of parental involvement in the schools can remain.

Etc. etc.

Let em cook.

>Black people can keep killing black people

http://cureviolence.org/connect/join-the-movement/

^ i found that w/a simple Google search. if you look you can likely find more ways to get involved.

clearly you've identified an issue that needs to be addressed publicly. ppl aren't doing enough to satisfy you. you want action. you're not alone. there are ppl out there working on the issue - they're making noise and they need more ppl to make noise w/them. you see that action happening in this Mike Brown case - join w/the ppl making it happen as related to violence in various black communities. get active. stay active. 'active' can include donating money or spreading awareness or whatever action makes you feel like you're contributing.

>Schools can remain fucked up.

here in Chicago there wee ongoing protests and demonstrations related to action by the local school board.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/chicago-school-closing-protests/

i dunno what's up where you live, but if the school board is up to shenanigans try reaching out to your local teacher's union b/c they're probably making noise about it. if not they may know of orgs that are making noise. hit them up.

>Lack of parental involvement in the schools can remain.

your local school council may have awareness campaigns targeted at parents trying to get them more involved. if not the school council then schools in your area may. reach out to them. if they don't know the PTA in your area may know. try them. or try the teacher's union again.

good luck!

Here's an organization in my city trying hard to effect change:

http://corcommunity.com/300_Men_March.html

..And the leader of that organization REGULARLY expresses the same concern as he struggles to get people CONSISTENTLY involved.

Also, I attend school board meetings regularly, and see white people show up in mass numbers to push for their cause. One particular neighborhood group showed up to EVERY meeting last year to push for their cause.

Our people, not so much.

I go to my son's back to school nights, PTA meetings, and men's committee meetings. I see the light numbers among the men.

But keep going though.

Please, continue.

Tell me how this level of passion and persistence can be seen from these same people across the country all year round.

Tell me more.

>Here's an organization in my city trying hard to effect
>change:
>
>http://corcommunity.com/300_Men_March.html
>
>..And the leader of that organization REGULARLY expresses the
>same concern as he struggles to get people CONSISTENTLY
>involved.

yes. it's a struggle, i'm sure.

you are aware of the effort and you're concerned about the issue. are you involved?

>Also, I attend school board meetings regularly, and see white
>people show up in mass numbers to push for their cause. One
>particular neighborhood group showed up to EVERY meeting last
>year to push for their cause.
>
>Our people, not so much.

that's gotta be frustrating. what do you think will help turn that around?

>I go to my son's back to school nights, PTA meetings, and
>men's committee meetings. I see the light numbers among the
>men.

that's great that you're out there at those meetings.

>Tell me how this level of passion and persistence can be seen
>from these same people across the country all year round.

we only have 24 hrs in each day - we can't fight every battle in every war. we all pick our battles. they've chosen theirs and you've chosen yours.

i know it's hard to watch so many ppl get so involved in an issue while the issues you care more about don't get that same involvement. vent that frustration and then keep fighting.

> we all pick our battles.
>

And that is my point. They picked their battle, and once it's "over", 85% of the people will go back to their own bullshit.

So we agree.

Thanks for the discussion.

and then stay active.

it's part of the process.

sadly i don't see the residents of Ferguson taking controls of their community when this is over

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/20/ferguson-s-other-race-problem-riots-damaged-asian-owned-stores.html

Asian-American-owned businesses in the St. Louis suburb are a mess after days of looting in the wake of Michael Brown’s killing. And one lawyer says the authorities let it happen.

It happened during the L.A. riots, when anger over the police beating of Rodney King spilled into Koreatown. It happened fictionally in Spike Lee’s Do the Right Thing, when an Asian-American business owner was forced to defend his store from rioters.

And it’s happening again in Ferguson: Looted Asian-American businesses have become collateral damage.

Asian-Americans own a number of the stores lining West Florissant Avenue, where more than 20 businesses have suffered damage in the wake of Michael Brown’s killing. At least five of these stores are Asian-American-owned, according to local sources and business records. Just 0.5 percent of Ferguson is of Asian descent, according to 2010 U.S. Census data.

The Ferguson Market, where the teenage Brown allegedly grabbed a handful of cigars before his deadly encounter with police, is owned by the Patels, an Asian-American family. Looters have targeted the store twice. On the same block, Northland Chop Suey, a Chinese restaurant, has been looted at least two times. A second market, a beauty shop, and a cellphone store within walking distance also have been damaged; all are owned by Asian-Americans.

Jay Kanzler, the Patels’ lawyer, told The Daily Beast he believed that law enforcement authorities allowed the looting of Ferguson Market on Friday in part because it is a minority-owned small business.

“One could that if this had been a Walmart, a Starbucks…would they have done more to make sure this didn’t happen?…I believe that absolutely factored into the equation,” said Kanzler, who said 80 percent of his clients are first-generation small-business owners. “Their rights may have been placed on a lower priority for the people in charge of protecting them.”

Local Asian-American business owners, however, say they don’t think looters targeted them because of their race. Even as the protests continue, many of the owners are already back in their stores, rebuilding and serving Ferguson residents.

" came in here two times, Sunday night and Friday night,” Chinese restaurant owner Boon Jang told The Daily Beast, before adding: “I’ve got to go, I have a customer here.”

In times of racial tension, Asian-Americans have tended to be left out of the conversation between white and black America, reflecting the prevailing sense during more peaceful times that they don’t quite belong in either camp.

That’s the result of “the role of Asians when it comes to race tensions between white and black,” said Johnny Wang, president of the Asian American Chamber of Commerce of St. Louis. “The common complaint is that we just stay on the sidelines and don’t say anything.”

A precursor to the 1992 L.A. riots was the 1991 killing of teenager Latasha Harlins, an African-American teenager shot by a Korean-American storekeeper who thought she was trying to steal juice. The incident left lingering bitterness among some in the local African-American community that contributed in part to the Koreatown violence a year later.

“Hopefully it doesn’t devolve into what happened in the L.A. riots,” Wang said. “Because if that happens, we’re all getting out of Dodge.”

There is no similar tension in Ferguson, locals say—in fact, some 40 residents of the suburb formed a picket line at Ferguson Market last Friday in an unsuccessful attempt to protect it from looting, and many have offered to help clean up in the aftermath of the violence.

“We support this community and this community supports us,” said Priyanka Patel, daughter of the Ferguson Market owners. “We love Ferguson and are proud to be business members of this community.”

On Wednesday morning, local Asian-American civic and business leaders released a statement urging unity in the aftermath of Brown’s death and calm after nights of violence.

“It is so sad and disheartening to see this level of violence expressed toward the business owners, who have always supported this community in good times and bad,” said Anil Gopal, president of the St. Louis Indian Business Association. “Many minority businesses located here and helped revitalize this community. We hope and pray that the violent actions of a few outsiders do not erode any progress Ferguson and its people have been experiencing."

Among Asian-American business owners in Ferguson, and other business owners in the St. Louis suburb, there is a deep concern over whether insurance will cover the damages from the looting. Many insurance contracts expressly consider civil unrest a reason not to pay out policies.

“It’s a fear over whether the insurance cover the damage, and repeated damage,” said Kathleen Osborn, executive director of the St. Louis Regional Business Council, referring to the small businesses in Ferguson her group is trying to assist. “Some of them are so small they don’t have the expertise to fill out the insurance forms.”

Added Kanzler, who represents the Patels and another minority-owned small business that was looted, “Oftentimes, small-business policies contain that clause...it should be a concern.”

For the time being, Asian-American business owners are determined to get back on their feet, to continue providing services in Ferguson—unless the unrest worsens and they feel targeted.

“Hopefully it doesn’t devolve into what happened in the L.A. riots,” Wang said. “Because if that happens, we’re all getting out of Dodge.”

5 out of 20 stores looted are Asian-owned?

Big whoop

Not nearly the issue it was during the LA Riots

*as personal as burning someone's lively hood can be, lol

cats just wanna loot.

Kids can't even go to fucking school, this shit is affecting the education of the next generation that with growing up killing each other as well as being killed by cops...


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/ferguson-unrest-is-taking-its-toll-on-education/article_36dc4c18-975b-5794-bbaf-3a9ebdef5e3c.html

Ferguson unrest is taking its toll on education
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FERGUSON • With continued school cancellations in three districts, teachers spent Tuesday trying to overcome the heartache they’ve felt since chaos erupted over Michael Brown’s shooting death. Many of them did it by reaching out to their students. Others cleaned up the mess in Ferguson.

Dozens of teachers organized learning activities at public libraries and in a church hall, attracting children from throughout the Ferguson-Florissant School District, where the start of the school year has been delayed by more than a week so far. Two hundred more cleaned up debris on West Florissant Avenue, where protesters and police had clashed the night before.

And inside school cafeterias, some worked to provide free lunches to children, most of whom rely on school for something to eat.

“As teachers, we want to build up our community, not tear it down,” said Remy Bryant, a Jennings High School biology teacher wearing gloves and filling a trash bag. She was cleaning up with about 200 teachers, principals and staff — nearly everyone who works for the Jennings district.

The unrest resulting from late-night clashes between protesters and police is taking a toll on the education of more than 20,000 students in north St. Louis County. As of Tuesday, children in the Riverview Gardens School District have missed two days of school. In Jennings, it's three. In Ferguson-Florissant, children have missed four and will be out the rest of the week.

Several other schools have missed days, including North Tech High School and Ackerman Elementary School — both in Florissant.

For many children, the cancellations haven’t brought the joy that comes from snow days. Roderick Eldred has faced disappointment every morning when his mother has awakened him. For nearly a week she’s had to tell him he can’t go to kindergarten.

For Michael Hubbard, it’s been a similar story. “I put my clothes on, and my sister told me I didn’t have school until Monday,” the fifth-grader said. “The first day of school is always awesome.”

District officials say the cancellations mostly are out of concern for the safety of children and transportation issues, even though most of the schools aren’t near where the rioting and clashes have taken place since a police officer shot and killed Brown.

The situation has put a strain on some working parents, who have had to arrange child care on the fly. It’s left students disappointed they can’t see friends and meet teachers. It’s left teachers anxious, concerned about the impact all of these lost days might have on learning. The Missouri education department has not determined if the days will need to be made up later in the year.

“Our kids need to be back in school. They need to be learning,” said Carrie Pace, an elementary school teacher who turned a large meeting room in the Ferguson Library into a place where students were working on long division, reading skills, and various crafts.

Pace said she’s concerned about the emotional toll the past 11 days has had on children in her school, Walnut Grove Elementary. When asked how she’s holding up, Pace began to cry.

At a table nearby, Allisha Luster made jewelry with beads and plastic thread. Allisha is about to start fourth grade in Ferguson-Florissant. She said she’s eager to meet her teacher.

“It brings home the emotional impact of what’s going on in our community,” said Rashonda Luster, her mother, as she watched her daughter. “Now it’s affecting our kids’ education. They need to be back in their routines … . We are ready for peace.”

KIRKWOOD MAY PITCH IN

The school closures in Riverview Gardens prompted several Kirkwood parents and church leaders to meet Tuesday to form a plan. Whenever Riverview Gardens is closed, buses do not transport about 250 transfer students to Mehlville or Kirkwood, where they attend school. If unrest leads to more lost days in Riverview Gardens, the group discussed driving their own vans to pick up the children to prevent them from missing more school.
“We consider these families our families,” said Becky Edwards, a parent at the meeting at Kirkwood Baptist Church. She knows many Kirkwood parents eager to help, she said.

The unexpected free time has left many children with little to do. At Wellspring Church in Ferguson, volunteers said finding activities for older kids was difficult. They were looking for help and ideas as they opened their hall each day this week for activities, counseling and lunch.

“I just feel sad. These kids need to be in school,” said Julie Hoener, a fifth-grade teacher at Central Elementary.

Ferguson parent Yolanda Harris said she’s struggling to keep her children from spending hours in front of the television. Summer programs are over. And she’s not comfortable with them playing outside so close to where the violence has taken place.

“It’s hard to say why you can’t go outside and ride your bike,” Harris said.

With school out, many educators also are concerned that low-income students will go hungry, particularly at schools with high-poverty populations.

Today through Friday, Ferguson-Florissant will provide sack lunches at five elementary schools for any student in the district. The schools are Airport, Duchesne, Griffith, Holman and Wedgwood.

On Tuesday, Riverview Gardens provided lunch to 300 children. Jennings also opened up its school cafeterias.

Chavonne Robinson brought her three sons — two of them school-aged — to Woodland Elementary School in Jennings, where they sat in the cafeteria and ate chicken nuggets, mashed potatoes and apples. She said even if her children can’t be in school, she wants them thinking about school.

“School is still thinking about you,” she said. “It’s thinking about us, the whole family.”

One of her sons, Leon Gibson, said he had ironed his pants the night before, hoping to go to Jennings High School, where he started last week as a freshman.

“We’re missing all our extracurricular activities,” he said.

When asked how he felt about missing school, Leon’s fifth-grade brother, Dushaun Chisom, made a sad face.

or if life was business as usual outside of the immediate riot area

the kids won't miss days in school.

however - yes, the kids should be in school. it's part of the pressure being applied to the prosecutors and police in this case to move it along. the point of the public pressure is to keep the case from being swept under the rug via inaction in the state's attorneys office or the various law enforcement agencies that're investigating the matter.

attention, the Attorney General of the United States is HERE.

the campaign has had some success but it's not over yet.

"Hurry up little childrens, go to school so you can learn how to fail a standardized test."

Because thats whats gonna happen in the end. He's a free man...

there are have been other reports of Klan activity in the area, there's a full blow race war brewing out here, people can think its a game if they want...

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police-4-taken-into-custody-after-police-pursuit-beginning-in-Ferguson-271369191.html

Police: 4 taken into custody after pursuit beginning in Ferguson area

(KMOV.com) – Pine Lawn Police were involved in a pursuit after a vehicle fled from state troopers in the Ferguson area Friday morning.
Police say the incident occurred before 2:00 a.m. near West Florissant and Canfield.

Officials say a police helicopter flagged the car which was then picked up by police who pursued the vehicle until the suspects were caught at Avondale and Natural Bridge.

Police say four white men with multiple weapons were taken into custody.

The investigation is ongoing.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/19/Cornel-West-Obama-Is-A-Disgusting-Black-President

Tuesday on BBC's "Newsnight," political activist Cornel West hammered President Barack Obama on his reaction to the Michael Brown case calling it "disgusting."

West pointed out the president put out a statement on the death of actor Robin Williams days before he addressed the Brown death.

West railed against the president saying, "His words reek of political calculation rather than moral conviction."

Slamming Obama's reaction as not only "weak and timid," but he added, "I just think it's disgusting. It's disgusting to have a black president unable to keep track about what's going on among the young black youth or any poor youth."

Hammering the "low quality black leadership in America." West then went after Al Shrpton as "an apologist for the Obama administration" who sweeps into these crisis for photo-ops not justice.

obama responded fast enough imo. what was it 4-5 days?

on Michael Smith and Jemele Hill's show. I caught it on podcast the other day. They did an entire show last week discussing the Mike Brown killing.

http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Canfield-apartment-residents-say-they-are-afraid-to-leave-271739231.html

Canfield apartment residents say they are afraid to leave
by Diana Zoga / News 4 and Adam McDonald / KMOV.com staff
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Posted on August 18, 2014 at 7:26 PM
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Residents: Access to Canfield Green Apartments has been limited
Canfield apartment residents say they are afraid to leave
Fire breaks out at south St. Louis County apartment building
For residents of Canfield Dr., life much different after shooting

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOV.com staff) – Residents who live in the Canfield Apartments, the location Michael Brown was shot, say their daily lives are impacted by the crisis in Ferguson.
“Our world pretty much haven’t been the same,” said Rheanon Lesoeur, a resident in the apartments.
“I’m kind of afraid of all the drama that’s been going on afterwards. We try to keep away from it.”
The Canfield Apartments are just down the road from West Florissant Road. Lesoeur says she and her children leave their apartment only when they have to, mostly to go grocery shopping and says it’s usually peaceful, but she hears sounds of gunshots and helicopters much more frequently than she used to.
Volunteers from the Hopewell Center set up tables a few feet from where Brown was shot, offering free diapers, baby food, and snacks.
“When we talk about outreach, we have to bring it to them and not have them coming out looking for us,” said Mike Boyd of the Hopewell Center. “We come right here to the heart of the community to make these things accessible.”
“There isn’t that much freedom to walk around anymore,” Lesoeur said. “I don’t want to have walk to school and constantly be scared of what might happen next. I just want to be able to enjoy the rest of my life.”

Fellow officer has to then pull him away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbR824FKpU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jx3WLnt6Q8

http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Pastors-Man-claiming-to-be-peacekeeper-actually-escalating-things-271915931.html

Pastors: Man claiming to be peacekeeper actually escalating things in Ferguson

by Chris Nagus / News 4 and Dan Greenwald / KMOV.com Staff

(KMOV.com) – Many African American church leaders told News 4 a man pretending to spread messages of peace is actually escalating violence in Ferguson.
Pastors are pointing the finger at Malik Shabazz, the former leader of the New Black Panther Party, and many church leaders want him to leave Ferguson.
“I am upset with a certain group of them that are rebel rousers. We know them by name. Last night was the scariest night of my life,” said Pastor Mike Robinson.
Robinson said there is growing concern over Shabazz and what he is doing in Ferguson.
“We want Officer Darren Wilson arrested, we’re here for Mike Brown,” Shabazz said. “We’re here for Mike Brown and we’re not going to let outside infiltrators come and destroy our good movement.”
Robinson said Shabazz is an attorney from Washington D.C. who is causing problems.
“I literally watched him cause chaos within a large group of people and prepare to send them to the front line, then he shifts and says ‘let’s keep the peace.’ We’re calling him out. We want him out of our city, we don’t need his help at all, and he’s doing nothing but cause chaos.”
According to the Anti-Defamation League, Shabazz is trying to recast himself as a serious civil rights leader that inserts himself in high profile, racially charged situations. The Southern Poverty Law Center says Shabazz is skilled at organizing provocative protests.
Local church leaders say they are going to keep a close eye on Shabazz Tuesday night as they try to keep the peace on the streets of Ferguson.
Shabazz did not respond to News 4’s request for a comment

And I'm not a fan of his. I've even seen him do some things during this protest that make him look like an opportunist.

I would not be shocked if he wanted to go in a more antagonistic direction. However, you cant show me one complaining dude and then say "pastors", plural, want him out without showing any evidence. Captain johnson has spoken highly of him and all the footage I've seen shows him pointing out agitators among protestors and cops.

personally familiar w/ this dude & i find it beyond the realm of possibility that hes encouraging violence in fact im friends w/ him on FB where he is regularly saying how hes trying to *keep* young men from attacking & escalating the situation

aka this is garbage


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

that are out there working with him, he definitely has his own agenda and its not necessarily 100% peaceful, his true motivation and who he's really working for is questionable IMO...

And lol @ "chatter". You working for homeland security?

Everybody knows who he rolls with and his motivations are pretty transparent. Anyone in the 50 states can reach out and touch this guy/ That you and pastor whatshisface are so in the dark says more about you than it does about malik.



>that are out there working with him, he definitely has his
>own agenda and its not necessarily 100% peaceful, his true
>motivation and who he's really working for is questionable
>IMO...

to lose, he says one thing during the day but at night his message has a very incendiary tone

& we'd all be talking abt James Foley right now

if the protestors did NOT tear some shit up...which was property by the way. things. material. not people. they didnt leave a bunch of dead bodies or broken bones in their wake, they broke in a convenience store & stole twinkies....but if they HADNT done that...everyone would have ignored us...again

instead of being so angry & upset with the people who are in your community trying to shine the light on shit that literally impacts ALL of us, white, black, gay, straight, old, young, etc

why not be angry @ the people who really ARE violent?

who is shooting? who is gassing people? whose out there locking folks up for protesting? like wtf are you on here?

i hope it spreads. not just in ferguson but nationally.


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

the ones that are here locally, the mf's that want to flock here from out of town, as well the mf's on this board.

Running around like your hair is on fire because you got a fucking CAUSE to support.

Sure I'm upset about #MikeBrown's death. But I'm also upset about the death of FLYNT CLEMONS. You probably don't know who that is so let me tell you. FLYNT CLEMONS was a BLACK MAN that was murdered in St Louis on the SAME DAY as #MikeBrown at Domino's in front of his wife and kids over some fucking change.

But there aren't any "protests" or rallies for FLYNT CLEMONS. Nobody is offering to pay for his funeral expenses. NOBODY CARES because a BLACK MAN killing another BLACK MAN in a pizza restaurant in front of his wife and kids over some fucking change is not a sensational as a white cop killing a black "kid" that had just robbed a store.

Blacks kill blacks every day, that's business as usual. Blacks killing blacks is basically considered natural causes. That shit is too common, we don't have time to "protest" all them shits.

But thank God for #TheWhiteMan! Just like always, all he has to do is crack his whip and we jump up and get to shuffling. We put on a show. We're all on TV marching around, feeling like we got a CAUSE. All the Supernegroes come from all over and gives speeches and lead us in chants.

Mf's want to come from fucking Chicago, where BLACK MEN are being murdered at a RECORD PACE, down to poor little 'ol Ferguson Missouri to support the CAUSE.

Too bad nobody wants to address the tough questions. That's too hard. That requires too much THOUGHT.

Like WHY the police view BLACK MEN as targets in the first place?

Like WHY they think it's no big deal to murder a BLACK MAN?(even though WE do it every day)

I've said before it's like the N word. Black people call other black people nigga all day and it's no big deal, but if #TheWhiteMan uses that word all hell breaks loose.

Similarly, niggas kill niggas every day and it's business as usual. Oh, but let #TheWhiteMan kill a nigga and we got to get out there and rally the Supernegros and get our "protest" on and burn the city down for #justice.

I've got people involved with this Ferguson thing on every level.

I have friends and family that live in that area. I work with people that live in that area and have to go home to that shit every night. I got people out there protesting peacefully with the pastors during the day and I got people on some militant black panther shit listening to Malik Shabazz crazy ass and running around out there at night about to get their heads blown off. I've got people out there volunteering with various organizations proving essential items and resources for the community. I got people that just go out there with brooms and trash bags to clean up after the looters. I got people that go out there to gawk and take pictures and see what celebrities show up. I also have people on the law enforcement side.

Meanwhile I'm just chilling in my downtown loft apartment, going to work, going to happy hours, going to Cardinals games, hanging out at Hooters, and just reading the 24/7 updates on my Facebook feed from all those folks above because I don't think they get it.

We don't want to face the REAL issues, it's too easy to rally against #TheWhiteMan. Let's make it all about law enforcement. The guys that everybody hates until they need them. Despite perceptions most police officers are good guys that just want to do their jobs and go home to their families. But people expect them to be supernatural, clairvoyant psychiatrists that can shoot off a pinky toe from 30 yards away. Nevermind that a lot of them barely have a high school diploma. Nevermind that most municipalities can barely scrape together funds to pay officers competitive enough salaries to get somebody to do the fucking job in the first place, let alone give these guys any kind of advanced training as far as subjects like dealing with the mentally ill, use of force continuum, and million other things they're supposed to be experts at. They might get 12 weeks of academy training and then get a badge and gun and are told "good luck, try to come back alive."

Does any of that mean bad cops should be excused for bad behavior? No.

Does it mean that Darren Wilson isn't a racist piece of shit that broke a million law enforcement procedural protocols when he engaged Michael Brown? No.

Did Michael Brown have to die like a dog in the street on August 9th? No.

It's fucked up. It's REAL fucked up. But there are a lot of other things that are more fucked up IMO...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=644509865656289&id=365178373589441&_rdr

besides...blacks go to jail for shooting blacks
that's the main difference, remember
it's the prison industrial complex fault :(

black ppl are too mentally weak and dumb to attack the systemic oppression crippling our community
smh

because i read post after a post after post
from you to saying that negros are not fighting black on black crime in Chicago,
or teaching kids how to read.

when even a cursory google search can connect you to hundreds of thousands
of black ppl in your local area that are doing just that.

and no, the work ain't close to done.
probably because there is so much work TO do.
because history didn't start yesterday,
and there is a lot of damage to undo.


yet, i am working on it.
you are working on it.
thatruth is working on it.
all my friends are working on it.

litterally millions of nigggas are working on the problems that you think
we should be focused on instead of the mike brown thing.


and looking at all that data...
you came to the conclusion that the ppl on St. Louis are show boating,
and negros-- in general-- don't care or do anything about black on black crime.


brilliant.
you guys are geniuses.

>black ppl are too mentally weak and dumb to attack the
>systemic oppression crippling our community
>smh

to calm people one of the nights
where he was saying go home because we're out numered and we don't have enough guns/arms or some shit

idk if he's actually trying to go to war or anything, but he def has an agenda.

his agenda is making Americans wake up to this shit ASAP

lotta ppl believe & support his agenda

question is why dont you?

yall mad @ the protestors like THEY the ones leaving police shot in the streets w/ their blood literally running into the gutter for hours

whose being violent here? why do yall accept this treatment? it boggles my mind


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

He is in the NOI cult right?

and if you mean oh hes raising a fist & shouting @ police from a bullhorn...please stop.

lol @ noi cult


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/st-louis-county-police-tactical-team-under-fire/html_7fb666cb-31bd-5d52-a64c-5ad86a9d685e.html

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ferguson-missouri-officer-who-shot-michael-brown-defended-by-friends-boss/

Picture of Ferguson officer in Michael Brown shooting emerges

FERGUSON, Mo. - A police officer whose shooting death of an unarmed 18-year-old ignited racial upheaval in a St. Louis suburb has been characterized as either an aggressor whose deadly gunfire constituted a daylight execution or a law enforcer wrongly maligned for just doing his job.

An incomplete picture of Texas-born Ferguson officer Darren Wilson has emerged since Aug. 9, when authorities say the white six-year police veteran killed Michael Brown during a confrontation in the predominantly black city where all but three of the 53 police officers are white.

The Brown family's attorneys have labeled Wilson as a murderer, though the investigation continues and no charges have been filed. The 28-year-old officer has gone underground since the shooting, with relatives contacted by The Associated Press refusing to reveal his whereabouts or discuss the shooting or Wilson's background.

But snippets of his life have emerged. His parents were married only four years before divorcing in 1989 in Texas. Court records say he divorced last November. His mother, a convicted forger and alleged con artist, died 12 years ago. Wilson got a commendation in February from the Ferguson police force, four years into his job there.

An online fundraising drive on Wilson's behalf as of Thursday had drawn more than $77,000 in donations for the tall, slender and blond-haired cop. And a longtime friend - former high school classmate and hockey buddy Jake Shepard - publicly has come to Wilson's defense, insisting in interviews that the shy Wilson would never maliciously take a life and fears possible retribution.

Having talked to Wilson since the shooting, Shepard said, "I think he's kind of struggling a little bit, but I think he's doing OK."

"He didn't really want to talk much about it," Shepard, also 28, said of Brown's death. "But I can tell you for sure it was not racially motivated. He's not the type of person to harbor any hate for anybody. He was always nice, respectable and well-mannered, a gentleman. He doesn't have anything bad to say about anybody, ever. He's very genuine."

Similar depictions of Wilson, who has been on paid administrative leave since Brown's death, have come from his boss, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson.

During a Ferguson City Council meeting in February, Wilson got special recognition from Jackson for what the chief said then was his role in responding to a report of a suspicious vehicle, then struggling with the driver and detaining him for arrest until help arrived. Jackson said the suspect was preparing a large quantity of marijuana for sale. His proclamation in hand, according a video of the meeting obtained Tuesday by the AP, Wilson returned to his seat with a broad grin.

"He was a gentle, quiet man," Jackson told reporters last Friday while publicly identifying Wilson, a four-year veteran of the department after spending two policing in nearby Jennings, as the officer who shot Brown, noting that Wilson has no prior disciplinary record. Calling Wilson "distinguished" and "a gentleman," Jackson added that "he is, he has been, an excellent officer."

Online court records show that Wilson's mother - Tonya Durso, also known as Tonya Harris - pleaded guilty in 2001 to a dozen felony stealing and forgery counts in Missouri's St. Charles County just west of St. Louis and was sentenced to five years on probation, with the judge suspending a five-year prison sentence. Durso was 35 when she died in 2002, and Wilson was placed under the guardianship of Tyler Harris until a St. Charles County judge dissolved that in mid-2004.

Wilson, who has Missouri hunting and fishing licenses, did not answer the AP's knock Tuesday on his door at his brick, ranch-style home in Missouri's Crestwood, a largely white St. Louis suburb some 18 miles southwest of Ferguson.

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Greater St. Mark Family Church, Shelter For Ferguson Protestors, Reportedly Raided By St. Louis County Police
Yasmine Hafiz The Huffington Post 08/20/14 04:47 PM ET
This has been updated with a statement from the St. Louis County Police Department.

Greater St. Mark Family Church in St. Louis, Missouri was a safe haven for wounded protestors from nearby Ferguson demanding justice in the Michael Brown shooting.

Reports from about 12:45pm on Twitter and Instagram stated that it had been raided by St. Louis County Police.

Storman Academy, a school on church property, was being used as a first-aid shelter for protestors injured by tear gas as well as a place for organizers to plan strategy, but its charitable efforts apparently caused it to face unwanted attention from the police.

In a video taken by Elon James White, a church organizer said,"County police came out today to this humanitarian shelter, and they've effectively shut it down on a false charge that there were people sleeping in the building, and they're citing occupancy permits, but their information was incorrect. It's been used solely as a humanitarian shelter."

The most thorough account of the raid currently seems to come from the Twitter account of William Jelani Cobb, a contributor to the New Yorker and the director of the Institute for African American Studies at the University of Connecticut.

Between 2:35 and 3:19pm, his Twitter account stated:

At Greater St Mark Church. Witnesses say police came to the building which was being used as aid station for protestors. Police are gone, pastor of the church said they'd surrounded the building re charge that ppl were sleeping inside.
Pastor Tommie Pierson confirmed police entered church building. Unconfirmed reports that police removed materials. Church was used as center to treat people exposed to tear gas or needing med treatment. Police alleged it was used as shelter. Church says it was a safe space for organizers.

Police say they violated housing policy by having ppl stay overnight. Church leadership adamant that no one was sleeping here overnight. Church was allowing ppl to have strategy meetings here.

Tommie Pierson, pastor of the church, is also a state rep. Saw police on the premises. Amnesty International observers are at the scene now. Organizers saying this is the 3rd time police have come here. Last night they had assault weapons.

According to organizers the church held supplies for first aid, no weapons. Organizers are carrying more water, supplies into the church building. To be clear, this is all happening at the school building adjacent to the sanctuary itself. Came here with @emarvelous and @AdamSerwer. We were the first people to arrive here and police had already left.

The school is connected to the church, which is why the pastor responded to the call that police were in the building. Church, organizers now say nothing was removed from the building.

From the scene, Twitter user @tayloredpoet, told The Huffington Post via email at 2:03pm, "I am trying to get close enough to actually see what happened, but from reports the police surrounded the church and took supplies, food and water."

In the aftermath of the police raid, people came together in solidarity.


Philip Agnew, executive director of Dream Defenders, said in a video, "But in no uncertain terms, this was a place where this community deemed, a place where we could come and feel- what? Safe. And what they did today was tell us what? There is no safety here." He added, "And they came in here when none of us were here, and took some of the supplies that people need to alleviate the symptoms of tear gas in their eyes and on their face. They took those, and they left the water and the medical supplies."

The police had reportedly visited the church three times before.

This isn't the first instance of a religious figure falling victim to the current tensions. On August 13, Pastor Renita Lamkin was shot in the stomach with a rubber bullet as she tried to mediate between police and protestors. Nonetheless, religious leaders continue to stand up for justice on the streets of Ferguson.

UPDATE: 9:15p.m. EDT on Aug. 20 -- The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014, at approximately 11:45 am, St. Louis County Police Officers responded to an abandoned school building near St. Mark’s Church after learning that individuals were occupying the structure. Officers contacted a representative of the church, who advised he was aware that several people were occupying the structure. The representative was not aware that the building wasn’t zoned for occupancy and if it was it would need an occupancy permit. The representative escorted the officers to the location and voluntarily opened the building with a key. It appeared that five to seven people were sleeping in the facility but no one was present. Officers on the scene advised there was no animosity between the police or the representative of the church. The representative stated that he would advise the individuals to leave.

Reminds me...http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JaGuusfZjSM

With school still cancelled in #Ferguson, @TFASTL has set up classes for kids at the local library. pic.twitter.com/hSirZSG1sv

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@SunnyHostin

Reports in the media that Officer Darren Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket are false. He had a swollen face & went to hospital.

but he dont have any fractures either
just a swollen face
WTF is mike brown giving the police man a swollen face for in the first place?

> He had a swollen face & went
>to hospital.

for the purposes of this argument ain't much difference between having a swollen face and a hairline fracture behind the swollen skin

i swear to god.
go to your church, you'll find them there.

go to your boys and girls clubs, you'll find them there.

nigggas is mentoring.
niggas is trying to lobby.

if there is a cause you have,
and you are sad that the nation is not currently focused on your cause...
that sucks.

i get it.


i wish more attention was focused on getting jobs for people coming out of jail.
i wish more attention was focused on reducing the homeless veterans population.
i wish more attention was focused on global warming, teenage mental health counseling, and music education in schools.

but do you see me getting pissed off at ppl for focusing on another problem besides my pet issue?




no.

i don't do that.


because i am not that shitty of a person.
i'm not a good person.


but goddamn.
wtf is wrong with some of you ppl?

i promise you are not the only ppl doing shit to improve the black community.
Jesus Christ.

i dunno why i typed it that way.
but i did.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/21/key-eyewitness-in-michael-brown-shooting-reportedly-has-warrant-out-for-arrest/

.

out eventually, that lying to police thing is a bad look

.

.

they charge him yet?

Hopefully the family gets some peace. Still no arrest of the murderer. Still rallies for and fundraising for a murderer.