unless you use it to drive up
mountains or haul tools, you are making the world worse for everybody not in an SUV


fact: nobody in small cars can see anything on the road in front of them with your tank in the way.

fact: if you get into an accident, you are more likely
to kill the person in a small car. you will be fine, because you are in a tank. but the people in a vehicle you plow through, will die.

fact: burning that much gas to drive around a family of 4 around is an ecological waste.





yes, i am hating on ppl that drive SUV's that don't haul tools or drive up mountains.
because if i get into an auto acident with an SUV, it will crush me and my reasonably sized car.

I am not baller enough to buy and put gas into an SUV every week.

because even if i was wealthy, i i have driven regular ppl sized cars enough to know that SUV's are a dick move.

i am not sure what one is lacking in their lives
to feel the need to take up that much space on the world.


why do you enjoy driving your SUV?

are you aware that you make roads more dangerous for others?

is that part of the appeal?

is it to protect your own personal safety?

it makes sense to want to protect yourself and your family in an accident.

"b/c fuck other ppl it's all about me"

"b/c i have a small penis"

"b/c i don't feel i have (enough) control in other areas of my life"

...i wouldn't want to think any deeper than "b/c i want to and i can" either. so i feel you.

http://www.thescoopnews.com/news/articles/173/survey-truck-owners-with-big-lift-likely-to-have-small-penis

if i were acting brand new i'd also pretend like i hadn't heard the 'joke' about dudes driving big vehicles to compensate for having a small penis.

It's plenty of money to be made
from Candler Road to Bankhead
It's plenty of room to get paid
for those that ain't scared

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

My wife don't want nothing that big.


---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

how big your dick is.

---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

and so that when my wife buys stuff from ikea, i don't have to call other niggas to help us get our stuff home.

even though mine is a "compact" suv
it's much more convenient in winter and when we hit up the local home improvement stores/nurseries

and i say that as a person with AWD in one of my cars
look it up, there are articles on it. snow tires and FWD is probably the best configuration

i'd go as far as to say people shouldn't even purchase mini vans much less a SUV

We keep a minivan. At one point we had two until I sold mine. I have 4 kids and piling everybody into a sedan just ain't an option. I ain't tryin to hear the arguments and shit on long trips 'cause somebody's leg is touching, elbows in the wrong place and alladat.

Plus, when it comes time to move I can take out the rear seats and load it floor to ceiling with shit.

---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

A:

i love the idea of a huge truck - like a Ford F-350 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Super_Duty#Third_generation_.282011.E2.80.93present.29) or a Dodge Ram 3500 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Ram#2009.E2.80.93present_.28DS.2FDJ.29) or a Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Silverado#Third_generation_.282014.E2.80.93present.29).

...but i'm not an asshole. so i just sit in them at the Auto Show and dream.

where in the hell would i park one of those? and filling it up? for what?

i think it's the 7 year old boy in me who's still obsessed w/big machines. that's the only way i can make sense of my desire to own one of these.

B:

whenever i sit in one of those dream trucks i sing the 'Canyonero' song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeFDe44Ddo & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkapW5ob9Qs

recently a friend had borrowed his father's Dodge Ram 2500 and as we drove around town in it (we couldn't park ANYWHERE) i played 'Canyonero' on repeat. i was mad he wouldn't let me drive it but i understood.

It's a small suv (Subaru Forester), but it still sits higher than a sedan.

you answered your own query.

for you, it is.

which is not surprising.

Most of the rest of the world makes use of vehicles that are more efficient (in terms of space, fuel consumption and cost) for their needs.

.need and appeal of owning a truck.

Things like "other drivers," "road safety," "the environment," etc.

http://gladwell.com/big-and-bad/



The funniest are people that say things like "I need a giant SUV for my kids," as if we're too dumb to realize that three kids will fit comfortably in the back seat of a Honda Civic, with a trunk available for additional storage.

basically, like someone else said, 'Murica.

Its safer for me and my family because i can see "other drivers," therefore I ensure "road safety," for myself and my passengers, and my passengers get a much better view of "the environment," etc. from their elevated perch.
>


What else you got?

i don't care if being involved in a collision w/my vehicle poses and increased risk of death or bodily harm to "other drivers," therefore I ignore "road safety" for other ppl. and i also don't care if driving my large vehicle is more likely to harm "the environment" b/c i'm more concerned w/my pleasure. b/c i want to. and i can.

you scared... get an suv.

Personally, I also have a car and i don't feel unsafe or in danger while next to SUVs unless the SUV driver can't drive. But i'd feel the same way if the unsafe driver was in a smart car.

Same things goes when i'm next to a tractor.

i feel you.

wtf?

you have to look out for yourself and your family to the detriment of other ppl. there's no way to balance all of these concerns - so fuck it.

plus i hear the new Ford F-350 comes w/a little guy playing guitar on the roof. http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mad-max-fury-road-awesome-guitar-guy-1431710473.gif

but if you are making it a safety issue that people are less safe driving a car with SUVs on the road than then inverse of that is true as well.

So yeah, if you love your family you should be driving the biggest thing on the road (c) sowhat

ppl FUCKING SUCK at driving
and having my truck for the past 2 yrs
has opened my eyes to this

cuz im always looking

matter fact we like comparing america to *insert european country* when it comes to murders
i'd be curious to see what are the accident rates over there compared to us
some countries have no speed limit and extensive highway systems just like we do

i imagine ppl are taking fewer trips
over there

nah...that's a terrible comparison.

a gun's sole purpose is to shoot something/someone...an SUV isn't built to get into an accident...hence the main reason why that argument is so dumb.

you are a perfect driver so you driving a large vehicle wouldn't be any sort of problem for anyone.

and your family matters more than the environment too. so it'd be fine if you haul your brood around in a vehicle that pollutes the air b/c the world you'll leave behind for your kids and maybe grandkids isn't important.

i'm right there w/you.

for others

>you are a perfect driver so you driving a large vehicle
>wouldn't be any sort of problem for anyone.
>


>and your family matters more than the environment too. so
>it'd be fine if you haul your brood around in a vehicle that
>pollutes the air b/c the world you'll leave behind for your
>kids and maybe grandkids isn't important.

my pilot is in much better condition than my older altima so i'd venture to say my altima prolly does more damage to the environment than the pilot. Nontheless, both just passed inspection so...........

it's physics.

which, of course, is the point of an SUV.

buy a giant car so that if you
fuck up and crash, other ppl's families die.

not yours.

so it doesn't matter if you
don't see a car in one of your giant SUV blindspots.

because you and your family will win the car crash.



that is my point here.
if everybody would stop driving tanks down the road, we could all see more of the road, which
makes the roads safer for everyone.

or, just drive a tank.
other ppl are less safe, but
in the event of a crash, the big car wins.


it makes sense, if you don't think about it.

Then yes, i'm gonna get a bigger car to make my family more safe. Duh. If you have a concern about safety in a car with suvs on the road, buy an suv or ride the bus.

right???

The average Mustang, Corvette, Camaro, Firebird, AMG Benz, or any V8 powered performance car has as bad or WORSE gas milage as your typical V8 powered SUV.

Any V8 powered sedan will have shitty gas milage, especially the "hood special" converted police cruisers but no outcry over those.

For example: my ML500 uses the same engine as the S500 of the same year (2005) and gets almost the same mileage as the S-class (13/18 vs 14/20).


The majority of those smaller SUV's (think Rav4, CR-V, Escape, etc) are powered by the same 4 or 6 cylinder as any coupe or sedan and gas mileage is only slightly less than most sedans using the same engine (i.e. the original CR-V got 23city/28highway despite weighing 3200lbs and using a 4 cylinder to move it)

I could go further into detail, but I'm hoping y'all are intelligent enough to see that the whole fuel economy argument is some bullshit.




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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

no i didn't know any of that. it totally changes everything i've said in here.

i now am convinced that all SUVs and large trucks are not any more destructive to the environment than any other car. all b/c of your post. my mind has totally changed. everything is different now.

wow.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Snark-Handbook-Reference-Sparring/dp/1602397600

hopefully you'll pick it up and get back to your old self.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>Its safer for me and my family because i can see "other
>drivers," therefore I ensure "road safety," for myself and my
>passengers, and my passengers get a much better view of "the
>environment," etc. from their elevated perch.

>What else you got?

Meanwhile, the large "A" "B" and "C" pillars on your SUV make it hard for you to see OTHER drivers. You have HUGE blind spots. Tinted windows in the back means that your SUV is essentially opaque, cutting off the view of drivers behind you. Rollovers are a real concern for these vehicles, also. Squishy suspension means you can barely *feel* the road (unless you've spent the $$$ to have yours upgraded like pickup drivers do).

On my motorcycle, I have close to 360-degrees of view angle. Meanwhile, SUVs drivers can't seem to see me when I'm in the lane next to them.

and what happens when you transport any of their cousins?

Personally, my niece and a few nephews visit me often (almost weekly if not weekly).

What about blended families?

You got 2, she has 2 and ya'll make 1. How's that Honda civic holding up then? So should we just get two cars and double up on our environmental hazard via more gas consumption, more road blockage (2 cars), more pollution (double emissions), more likelihood of an accident(2x)?

I get it, ya'll don't like SUV's but people with 3+ kids and a close knit family probably need the space.

I can haul 5 with me at any time plus another adult. That Civic can't do that.

Plus in IL a booster seat can be required until age 12(!!!)

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/drivers/childsafety.html

^^^Space eater

Psst...Honda civic lmao

lol, if so then you might need a church van and not an SUV.

Otherwise, you can do what many other people do when taking a family vacation and rent a car appropriately sized for your trip.

to watch the baby before he started daycare. We have friends. We have visitors. We can never carry anyone outside of out nuclear family in our car.

You don't even have the max amount of passengers in your lil Civic EVERYDAY but if you're single and I'm married with 3 kids, who do you think will need that extra space more?

So I guess you'll be buying one of these soon huh?

http://www.eliomotors.com/gallery/

84 miles per gallon
American made (mostly)
$6800 pricetag
Seats 2

But will you have someone riding shotgun EVERYDAY tho?

>lol, if so then you might need a church van and not an SUV.
>
>Otherwise, you can do what many other people do when taking a
>family vacation and rent a car appropriately sized for your
>trip.

Places children need to be transported:
-School
-Doctor
-Stores
-Gym
-To see other family members
-Restaurants

So people are supposed to rent a SUV every time they need to do one of those things with 3+ kids? Word?

but anyway, big vehicles make more sense for families w/3+ small kids.

right on.

Should have just made us immortal without reproductive abilities.

Then we all wouldn't cry about what others do that 'might' harm us over an extend period of hundreds of years.

;-)

it's one of the many reasons i'm glad i don't have or want to have kids. i couldn't care less about the environment b/c i'm not concerned about what's going to happen to my grandchildren.

or should I say my impact on it is minimal and the difference between me in a regular car vs an SUV is laughable.

and later generations. And some parents don't give a shit about their kids or the world they'll live in. Let alone their grandkids.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/medeq/files/uploads/2014/10/Lakeland-hazmat-suit.jpg

Holding signs that say "Thanks for our air, Dad."

>
>The funniest are people that say things like "I need a giant
>SUV for my kids," as if we're too dumb to realize that three
>kids will fit comfortably in the back seat of a Honda Civic,
>with a trunk available for additional storage.

We have two cars, the aforementioned Forester and a Hyundai Sonata. Each has two carseats. You can not add a third carseat or get a teen or adult between the two seats. We seriously considered a minivan.

Two pre-teens and a baby. We took long trips and everything.

not to mention that pre-teens have to sit in boosters now.

don't you know how dangerous that it is?

`

my own parents feel for that shit. minivan AND SUV
could have copped two luxury mid size cars for the cost of all that mess + the higher gas/tire bills

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

If I stay here, I'll buy something with AWD. Lotta hills, lotta snow.

or like a Subaru station wagon will be more capable than 90% of suvs people have


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I generally dislike SUV's for all the reasons mentioned in this post, but we bought the least expensive vehicle that met all of our needs, and it happened to be the Forester

the other crossovers are kinda useless

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

if anything
i can see a lot more than everybody else
especially ppl who arent EVER FUCKING looking
which are usually ppl in cars

being in a truck with so many blind spots you always
have to look

"how exactly do suvs make the road more dangerous?"

+

"being in a truck with so many blind spots"

=

?

but I dont.

ppl in cars will scratch and ding my shit up tho

i see ppl do this everday...i park on the 7th floor on my deck
for that very reason

you absolutely suck at driving.



>but I dont.
>
>ppl in cars will scratch and ding my shit up tho
>
>i see ppl do this everday...i park on the 7th floor on my
>deck
>for that very reason
>

It's not that hard.

>It's not that hard.


apparently, human drivers aren't perfect.

go figure.

into an accident in an suv than a car bc of larger blind spots...sure.

Is a good driver more likely to get in an accident in an suv than a car bc of large blind spots...i'm not so sure about that.

A good driver should always know when cars are in their blind spot at any random moment. Checking over your shoulder is a last safety check, but an aware drive already knows whats in his surroundings.

i'm assuming there is the issue of physics (weight+ speed) making those accidents particularly dangerous
and the ride height makes them more susceptible to rollovers and uneven points of impact
imagine what would happen to the drive of a miata if a SUV hit them head on....

he wasnt looking
i was watching him the whole time right as I ran into his
passenger side door
he was stupid..he got the ticket...he got his car totaled
and i got a settlement

the height in my truck gives me the advantage
of seeing better than most

> his car totaled


i'm not saying everyone in a suv is bo duke out here with the whip
but they are probably more dangerous and unnecessary unless you are jon and kate or the octomom

-Motorcyclist: skirt regular traffic because they can weave thru (though they aren't supposed to do that), constant speed demons and unreasonably LOUD engines...

and

-People who can't put their phone down to drive
-Idiots who wear earbuds to listen to music while driving
-People who insist on doing 90+ when everyone else is doing 70-75
-People who ride a cars bumper to intimidate them into moving because they wanna do 90 instead of 70-75

^^^And most of that is done by people in cars as there are more cars on the road than SUVs

Except the sons of anarchy looking dudes. They aren't erratic.

>-Motorcyclist: skirt regular traffic because they can weave
>thru (though they aren't supposed to do that), constant speed
>demons and unreasonably LOUD engines...

It's to get away from these people:

>-People who can't put their phone down to drive
>-Idiots who wear earbuds to listen to music while driving
>-People who insist on doing 90+ when everyone else is doing
>70-75
>-People who ride a cars bumper to intimidate them into moving
>because they wanna do 90 instead of 70-75
>
>^^^And most of that is done by people in cars as there are
>more cars on the road than SUVs

Because it's safer to get the fuck away from cars than to ride near them, for all of the reasons that you've mentioned. There are no "minor accidents" on a motorcycle.

It's not a good idea to ride a 400lb bike next to some dude in a giant SUV/little econobox playing with his phone and can't see you anyway because of the enormous blind spots he has.

the majority of motorcyclist that disobey traffic rules are not doing it to be safer.

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-lanesplitting-safe-uc-berkeley-study-20150529-story.html
http://www.gizmag.com/motorcycle-lane-splitting-filtering-safety-research/34425/


Avoiding cars is the way to keep safe on a motorcycle.

Sitting in stop-and-go traffic with someone in a 2-ton+ car behind you looking down at the cell phone in their lap is putting one's well being 100% in their hands. Playing bumper cars without bumpers is a losing battle. Better to filter through traffic and leave the car drivers to play with all of their distractions. The same for bicycle riders.

Also, by doing this the bikes get out of YOUR way and make more room for cars on the street, but this is 'Murica and most drivers are too selfish and self-centered to realize this.

doing over 50mph. I have no issue with bikes riding between lanes when traffic is slow.

Riders that ride responsibly *hate* these guys because they give us all a bad name, like those dudes that attacked that family in the range rover in NYC.

I too cringe when I see a guy weaving through 50mph traffic at 75+, riding on the shoulder on bike lane, running red lights, etc. Shit, I hate seeing other riders with no helmets (this *really* pushed up the death rate).

>i hit a taurus last year
>he wasnt looking
>i was watching him the whole time right as I ran into his
>passenger side door
>he was stupid..he got the ticket...he got his car totaled
>and i got a settlement
>
>the height in my truck gives me the advantage
>of seeing better than most
>


You were "watching him the whole time" but still ran right into him? lol. Were those big brakes on that big truck were just like "naw, yo"?

Apparently the height of your truck and being able to see didn't help for anything here.

no one can
thats why i give myself ample room
its called good driving

I've seen asshole car drivers cut in front of trucks and buses and always wonder what the heck is on their minds. Earlier this week a driver (talking on their cell, of course) cut off a city bus, leaving about 1/2 car length between them at 30+ MPH.

Nothing anyone can do about the idiot drivers out there.

if you can get 130ft braking distance from 60mph in a big suv you are doing something

LOL

my truck isn't humongous...it's a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I've driven Sedans that felt bigger. I really like the truck though and it doesn't do too bad on fuel. It's also not so huge that you should be intimidated by it on the road. but honestly your fear of driving next to a larger car doesn't mean it is dangerous. it might just mean you're a bad driver.

-i work from home so i'm not killing the environment anymore than you are
-it's comfortable and the trunk space gets a ton of use...especially now that I have a kid
-i like in Upstate NY, it's nice to have it during the winters (not that it's required)

ultimately it's because i liked it, could afford it and wanted it...it's not that serious

Need the 3rd row of seating and don't want to drive a mini-van.

at least the compact and mid sized ones...



"Get ready..for your blessing..."

about the average SUV...those cars are just as big.

a friend has a Ford SUV that got all fucked up this past winter after he drove it through some snow. he'd thought b/c it's a, you know, SUV and b/c it sits up higher than a car that he could clear the lil bit of snow he drove through w/o issue. NOPE. car was fucked up for weeks. the dealer said he'd seen dozens of them brought in w/the same issue.

so i kinda LOL when ppl say they drive one b/c it snows where they live. b/c many of those vehicles are NOT about that life.

they made us park on a muddy hill. The car in front of us, a Jeep Liberty, tried and failed to get up the hill; wheels spinning in the mud. I rolled right up easy as fuck in the Subaru.

*uodates database*

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

Giant "truck" with big tires, but they will go into the lane next to them to dodge a pothole that's a 1/2-inch deep.

2nd place goes to the "I need my SUV because it snows" folks that crash because they don't realize that SUVs can't STOP better in the snow (or ice, or rain).

otherwise most potholes you encounter prolly ain't wider than your tire, you'll roll over it ant barely notice.

My ML500 and old Durango scoff at potholes.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

on a rainy day, you can drown in our potholes

>on a rainy day, you can drown in our potholes

SE Michigan potholes are legendary. Back when I was living there we had the 4 door blazer. The typical pothole you just roll over and don't think about it. The pond-sized potholes you roll through slowly, but you still roll through them.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

Pretty much every east coast/midwest city is going to have horrible potholes because of the freeze/thaw cycle in winter. I never popped a tire or bent a rim on a pothole in my civic (and I've hit some DEEP ones).

I forgot to mention the SUV (and car drivers, to be fair) that slow down to 5mph on cobblestone streets.

It's plenty of money to be made
from Candler Road to Bankhead
It's plenty of room to get paid
for those that ain't scared

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Couldn't they just transport our goods to stores in like 15 vans?

Don't they care about the danger those trucks cause to other drivers when it takes them much longer to break?

Don't they care how their slow transmissions block up traffic in rush hour?

Don't they understand these guys are on the road up to 14-15 hours a day sometimes and driver fatigue is a real concern?

So annoying...

and blew up. Blocked traffic for hours.

Niggas took out beach chairs on the side of the road and started playing football

http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/652*367/nj+turnpike+sunbather+skater+footballer.jpg

and I'm sure they wish the same.

You're really comparing COMMERCIAL trucks to PASSENGER SUVs? Do you haul tons of cargo across the country?

lol

And probably as often as those truckers haul product.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/04/20/trucker-sentenced-to-3-years-in-prison-for-fatal-tollway-crash/

>And probably as often as those truckers haul product.
>

can you see why other drivers would be perturbed if you
drove a tank down the street?


>http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/04/20/trucker-sentenced-to-3-years-in-prison-for-fatal-tollway-crash/

and off-roading?

and its not even a "true" suv its a murano

there's tons of practical reasons to own a truck/suv and none of them have anything to do with what you said.

if you're a home owner, you're eventually gonna need a truck or SUV because i assure you that you're gonna get tired of making multiple trips to Home Depot to haul stuff in your tiny little car (trust me). same goes for buying furniture. feels good to not have to ask your friend with the truck to help you move something.

i have two kids and i'd like to be able to be in the car without them constantly kicking me in the back while i'm trying to drive. and heaven forbid if i want to take someone else somewhere in addition to the kids. we used to not be able to sit anyone else in the back seat with the kids car seats.

it's pretty awesome to be able to go on trips and actually fit all our stuff in the car comfortably. no more stuffing bags between the kids or in the floor under their feet.

as far as gas, it only takes me about $45 to fill up so i'm not sure what you're talking about there. it has nothing to do with being wealthy. i drive a pretty sensible SUV.

i'm not even gonna touch the safety issues because that's some of the dumbest stuff i've ever heard.

i kinda want something like this


http://www.oldride.com/classic_trucks/109847.html



but we have a scion xb that actually can carry almost anything we need and we have the murano so theres no real need. been thinking of getting rid of the murano however

https://youtu.be/Wx2e9jSSK6E

It's hard to get close to the curb, if the space is relatively tight.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

My daughter's carseat look like a damn pilot's ejector seat

http://img003.lazycars.info/cars/flintstones_car/flintstones_car_ribs_Fi9F7Bu7.sized.jpg

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

basically turns the car into a 2 seater

Joint is one of the expensive ones, so it's all extra padded and bulky for safety purposes. It's a tight squeeze to fit more than one person who isn't a small child with that seat taking up space.

once we dropped the baby's new carseat back there

Have fun driving through snow safely in your Mini Cooper or your Fiat

And my 4 year old likes it

FOH with the SUV shaming...you scared of it, hop on the bus

this past winter. i just posted the story. LOL

he drove out of a parking spot and got the undercarriage all fucked up w/snow. it wasn't like he was off-roading or anything. but he figured b/c it's an SUV that it could manage getting through a few inches of snow. NOPE.

and the dealer claimed that several SUVs had come in w/the same problem.

i LOL'd.

can they handle it better than most cars? sure...but you should still drive like they don't and you should still keep good tires on them. i see people plowing through snow in them all the time as if they're driving a tank or something. makes no damn sense.

yes.

i'd be lying if i said that was the reason i bought mine

Who's trying to plow THRU the snow? I just don't want it spinning me off the road like it did my Taurus back in the day.

Heavier weight = less likelihood.

Plus getting stuck in snow is less likely.

And I don't have to drive 5mph in a 45 lane like a civic, I can do 25-30 and be ok.

^^^Better quality of life in a city where it can snow 5-7 months out the year.

thats a win in and of itself.

I'm in NJ, you in NY, my man auragin is in CHI...ALL of us have been to the supermarket loading shit up in the truck in January, as we pull out the spot with ease watching other people have to rock back and forth to get out the parking lot.

Add to the fact that we had a long ass driveway which my old car (Altima) rarely made up, and copping the truck was a no brainer.

as is.

Have to shovel to get out of a spot AND shovel to get into one(sometimes)

Had to take a shovel TO WORK to make sure I could get out of the spot OK.

Anytime it snowed, my Altima was useless

the trunk or the back seat of the altima!! lol only a smaller plastic one.

Lol

The dealer disagreed that he'd used the thing improperly.

you don't drive through snow in anything...you drive over it. You have a better chance driving over snow in an SUV than a car.

He figured it'd be fine. It weren't.

tell me what the dealer said again.

he drove over some snow trying to get out of a parking spot. the service guy @ the dealer admitted several other SUVs had come in w/the same problem after similar use. he chalked it up to a design flaw w/the SUV and agreed that homie hadn't used the thing unreasonably.

are you arguing that all SUV's have a similar design flaw?

i'm sorry if i'm talking above your head.

maybe re-read it and it'll come to you. or let it marinate for a while and you'll see it. or maybe you won't ever see it. either way our world will keep turning.

General rule of thumb is anything over 8 inches and you're gonna need to shovel some to get out of that spot and prevent undercarriage damage.

Or maybe it's just Ford. I have a GMC Acadia. No issues here.

he was trying to get out of the spot and drove over some snow to do it. he admitted that if he were in a car he'd have shoveled more but b/c it's an SUV he thought he could get away w/o shoveling as much as he would've w/a car.

the service guy @ the dealer said several other SUVs had come in w/the same problem. he figured the SUV has a design flaw b/c it made sense to expect the thing to be able to clear a few inches of snow.

We both know there's advantages and disadvantages to whichever vehicle we choose. But I'd rather be in an Acadia when there's 20 inches of snow on the ground than a Prius.

-it snows alot where i live so i need AWD
-I have a family of 5 with 2 tall teen boys and we don't all fit comfortably in a sedan on long road trips (which we take frequently)
-they are more gas-efficient than SUVs of yesteryear because car makers are using lighter materials these days
-i feel safer and i need that after being in a car accident in January.

those okay with you?

d

or whatever the female equivalent of that may be

but theyre awesome for that too
so awesome

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

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they literally serve no purpose whatsoever

Folks buy sports cars out of hedonism. They aren't trying to justify gas mileage, or how they need that extra horsepower to pass on the highway, etc.

how is that different?

It's the poor attempts to justify that bug me, because many of the reasons given just don't hold water.

they are not all luxury cars.

SUVs in the left hand turn lane
are obnoxious.

you can see the road ahead of you.

nobody behind you can.

i havent really customized my shit
yet outside of a few accessories

but im gonna do the tint and lights first (soon)

just dont know if that is something i can do myself
or i need to take it somewhere (the lights)

they kinda just pop out and plug back in. long as you buy the right ones for your car it should be simple.

i bet you can find youtube videos for your make and model.

-I'm not putting all that nasty $hit in my Honda

-it's a boxy-ass '94 Trooper; it has a Honda engine and it's not a gas guzzler, even to be a v6.

-define 'reasonably sized' car.

I've did drive a very small car for quite a number of years. I'm good.

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in a sedan

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lol, I'd push the F out of that jawn, just to be ironic.

that "I don't even give a fuck anymore at all, fuck you niggas" life.

wearing socks and sandals

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For a hot minute, most of the rollers around Detroit were gettin' station wagons, throwin kits on 'em and candy or metallic paint jobs, rims, and sound systems.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

I'd buy a magnum right now but like we talked about a few weeks ago, they're all beat to shit

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luxury wagons exist.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

http://www.atthetipwebs.com/technologyinstructions/wagon/PICT6638.JPG

Seats 7 (2 front, 3 back, 2 rear), 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, top speed 155mph.

I'll take it in black, just like the one in the picture.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

I always liked those. They've got that "so wrong its right" thing going on.

>fact: if you get into an accident, you are more likely
>to kill the person in a small car.


Cats will go out their way to diminish
concern for Black life by bringing up the
likelihood of a car accident, but won't
riff on how small the chance of that
accident being with an SUV in this post?
Train is coming...

Friend of mine was able to pick up some
packages recently because she has an SUV.
She would have had to call someone else to
do it for her had she had a smaller car.
I don't drive an SUV, but I'm also not
silly (or sexually addicted) enough to
pretend that the reasons for others doing
so is limited to genital compensation.

arc of the covenenant?

I'm not even hating (I just got an Escape)

but like, that's why bakc seats fold down.

they make regular sized cars for a reason

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The boxes where huge

which is where a truck or van is ideal.

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lol

People really acting like SUV's have no
space value in here lol

their back windows.

like fuckin tables with benches?

because folding tables, definitely do fit in a car.

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i would have to empty my trunk put down the back seat and possibly the front seat as well.

Thats silly.

like, that's literally the size targeted

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So blame Detroit (or whoever makes cars these days).

I have the same reasons as a lot of the folks above...

Big guy with a tall wife and a tall preteen son.

I coach and have to haul balls, goals, cones....etc. around.

Road trip a lot to the beach, so we need space for lounge chairs, beach toys...etc.

20+ years ago there were plenty of big car options for some who wanted leg room and storage space. If this were the 80's or early 90's I might have a Oldsmobile Delta 88, Buick, Grand Torino or a Wagoneer.

Hell, Cadillac and Lincoln don't even make big-ass cars anymore.

should be the real query here...
honestly...


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

It's like everyone wants to be crushed in
an accident

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

I'm adding to what you're saying, dude lol

tricked out Freightliner cabs would be a more mainstream thing...

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

cars have gotten bigger too.

like, what was midsize is basically fullsize now, and if you can't fit in a taurus, etc., then all of yall are like 6'5+ which is not average

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behind me. Im 6'4 btw.

Never had that issue with an suv.

an entire brood of gigantors, no not so much, but like, an average sized person like me can be behind a tall person and still have legroom

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>an entire brood of gigantors, no not so much, but like, an
>average sized person like me can be behind a tall person and
>still have legroom
>

My 21 year old just sold her '95 Taurus. I worked on that thing the whole time she's owned it.

I had a 92 Mercury Sable at one point. Had the 3.8L V6 in it.

Before I bought my old Volvo, I owned a 1999 Taurus with the DOHC Duratec V6 in it.


Recently I checked out a 2014 Taurus. Shit felt a lot smaller on the inside to me than the previous generations. I could be wrong, but it really seemed smaller.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

I swear the current fusion I just traded in is exactly the same size inside as that car was

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For example the Taurus is now the only full size car Ford makes.

I had a Taurus before I had a SUV, and the legroom was just okay. I'm 6'1, my wife is 6'0 and my son is 5'7, at age 11, which means he's gonna be 6.0+ real soon. A Taurus isn't gonna cut it.

A few days ago we went to Tybee Island with a cooler. 3 lounge chairs, 3 suitcases and a backpack. That would have packed a Taurus to the gills.

Basically, my Explorer has a version of the same Ford 6 cyl SHO engine as the Taurus, so I'm not burning that much more gas.

Taurus: 19 city/29 highway
Explorer: 17 city/24 highway

>So blame Detroit (or whoever makes cars these days).

Once upon a time, Detroit had only a few SUV's: Blazer/Jimmy, Suburban, Bronco/Bronco II, Cherokee/Wagoneer and that's it.

The folks that bought them typically took them off road or used them for utility.

Very few people bought them "just because". My 300-400lb aunt being one of them back in '84. She copped a green Blazer with gold running boards 'cause, well... she was big and "cars" didn't suit her well.

The SUV market stayed pretty even until the Ford Explorer hit the market. GM, being ever so crafty, tried to strike first with a 4 door SUV with the 4 door Blazer/Jimmy and added a variant for Oldsmobile (for no good reason).

This is where they began to compete with Chrysler's basically unstoppable minivans for sales and they took off from there. The Big 3 and the Japanese decided to cash in when people demanded more. Shit is simple Capitalism at work.

>
>I have the same reasons as a lot of the folks above...
>
>Big guy with a tall wife and a tall preteen son.
>
>I coach and have to haul balls, goals, cones....etc. around.
>
>Road trip a lot to the beach, so we need space for lounge
>chairs, beach toys...etc.

Full sized SUV's work better (my track coach used to haul us around the state in an old ass Suburban), but minivan's rule in this space.

>
>20+ years ago there were plenty of big car options for some
>who wanted leg room and storage space. If this were the 80's
>or early 90's I might have a Oldsmobile Delta 88, Buick, Grand
>Torino or a Wagoneer.

Wagoneer=Cherokee=SUV

But, yeah... the 80's had PLENTY of big car options.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

I am fairly tall, so I need enough leg room and space to feel comfortable. I also bought my SUV (which I would not call a tank) because the brand has a good reputation of lasting a long time (I am over the 330K mark).

I see nothing wrong with people buy SUVs or trucks. Many people do use them to haul things from tools, furniture, supplies to boats, jet skis, 5th wheels, etc.

It is a gas guzzler and tires are expensive, but it works for many people. Lastly, I personally don't want to drive a 4 banger of any sort except to commute to work. I like having some power. I know there are cars who have hp thst will meet and exceed my expectations and I may end up buying a car in my next purchase, but I may also decide to buy a pick up truck being that I love trucks.

In the end, to each one's own. What appeals to you may or may not appeal to someone else and vice versa.

And it comes in handy A LOT. Speed bumps, curbs, medians, parking blocks, mud, rocks, water. Mine is a 2WD and I can still own all of the above.

It's also super handy for camping and moving things. I wouldn't want to be without it.
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and it's just good at moving people and things. easy to load up, etc.

not the kind of thing I used to give a fuck about, so I had a car.


the real question here, for most of the people who swear they need it for their family etc. is why an SUV but not a minivan.

(a:because a minivan isn't cool)

we should all drive vans

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embarrass my child by retrieving her from extracurricular activities in an UNbosslike fashion....

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

but vans are better at all the shit people with kids need. it's not even close.

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there is literally nothing better. y'all don't understand, I swapped cars w/ my mom when I was moving and I loved that shit

I'd cop one, but it looks weird if you're a single dude with no kids and a van, lol

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minivans are legit, now.

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>>we should all drive vans

depending on what you want to do.

if you have a ton of people, you need a full size van, if you don't, you lose the backseat(s) and have way more space than most of the SUVs people are driving

they generally are a bit better on fuel, they handle pretty awesomeley.

with dual sliding doors and that back open, you can load and unload the whole thing in like 5 fucking seconds.

they're actually easier to drive than SUVs, and you're still sitting up high.

they just don't look cool. that's it, that's the only thing they don't have

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fuck cool.

I'm not engaged yet, I may yet have to pull women, I have an excuse

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but a dude stepping out of a nice vehicle* with a good looking family is dope to me.



*never seen a nice van. I imagine that the interior got all types of banana peels and bread crumbs.

that shit should be about utility

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and my kids friends were also being hauled around in minivans... Except the Mexican kids... They were being hauled in extended cab pickup trucks.




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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

of my DJ equipment. It's paid off, but with this mortgage, I definitely ain't trying to buy a new car just to drive 4-5 days out of the week.

But yeah, stop the hate.

Let's appreciate everyone'e rugged baby

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"Get ready..for your blessing..."

I'm not sure any manufacturers make them anymore. They do look great on the regular cab.
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ring to it.

*hops in ford escort*

*gets shot up 3/4 down the block by gang in Navigator*

Recent story a 'hood' handyman told me.

He use to smoke crack. Weekly, repeatedly. Not in the desperate, 'I'll suck yo d*ck for a rock' way but in the, "got-a-good-construction-job-paying-$1500-a-week-and-I-blow-through-most-of-it-smoking" way.

Dude said his dealer use to stop by every Friday, collect his consignment loot (he was letting him get fronts early in the week) and then drop off an 8ball for handyman and his homeboy to buy ($500 every week).

Handy says he did this for a year or so.

One day his dealer rolls up, comes in to collect his $ and then tells him to come outside to get his dope. Handyman walks outside to see his dealers brand new, rimmed up, featured out, pearly white navigator.

Handyman: "Daaaamn, that truck pretty as hell!"
Dealer: "Yup. You paid for it."
Handyman: ...

Handyman says he took the dope, went inside, gave it to his homeboy and stopped smoking crack THAT day. Been clean for 6 years.

#SUVrehab

I thought you were gonna say the baby that the family took from the girl's womb, then BBQ'd it on the grill.

FTR i only quibbled w/the part of the story where some person agreed to dispose of the dead baby for $25. i said no one would do that for $25 - they'd either do it for free or would demand more than $25.

Says he was a recreational user. Never felt addicted or anything.

He said after the sobering realization that he paid for a truck that probably ranged $50-65K...he cut his losses.

sounds made up but still entertaining

Chicago winters were nothing. Worst car I ever drove in the snow was my wrangler. it's great if there is a ton of snow or a blizzzard but useless most other times.

Landrover is great period, I'll probably always have a discovery or defender of some sort.

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cause it's not in ya price range (c) Killa

My sister on the other hand has a family of 6. 2 of which are in car seats. She has a 3rd row in her SUV. She needs that big dumb ass car. 6 sometimes 7 are riding.

I too hate being behind larger cars you cant see shit!!!!

>I too hate being behind larger cars you cant see shit!!!!

or ya know...get an suv.

...I do occasionally put stuff in the truck bed, but I can't imagine NOT having a truck/SUV/Van...only vehicles with leg room..

w/ makes it great for loading up decent-sized stuff once you push the back seats down. generally speaking, the closer you live to downtown, the less likely you need to be whipping an SUV. especially if your street parking options are limited.

i also think the the amount of space inside an SUV is way overblown.

HOWEVER, being behind the wheel of a big-ass SUV feels OUTSTANDING and i can understand the draw. maybe its a grass is greener thing, but i completely understand why someone who dgaf about the arguments stated in here would gladly drive one.

And it was free. I tend to only use it for work and trips to Tahoe tho.....