As a dude who grew up in LOVE with Dee Barnes I don't think I ever got over that story. I mean I remember reading that rolling stones article mentioned below and thinking dude was the worst. Made it real easy to be #TeamIceCube and really enjoy no vaseline.

Well folks are talking about it now

https://pando.com/2014/05/23/beaten-by-dre-apple-plans-to-acquihire-a-man-who-violently-assaulted-a-woman-and-the-tech-industry-doesnt-care/

enough for Dre to have to talk about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dr-dre-says-he-regrets-beating-up-a-female-journalist-in-the-90s_55ccb19de4b0cacb8d331bf8

But is his statement enough? Not really an apology. But I guess it's Dee Barnes to whom he would owe an apology.

What y'all think?

Of course, the person I'd really like to hear from on this is Dee Barnes but he must have her under some sort of super NDA.



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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

he was raked over the coals for that like 20 yrs ago. we off that now. but, of course, there are bloggers and journalists in the world today who were toddlers then so they don't remember and are writing think-pieces b/c they're brand new. i'm not brand new.

It makes sense if someone was punished and/or they are repentant.

But bad press 20 years ago when dude wasn't nearly as visible, rich and successful as he is now isn't that much of punishment.



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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

in the 90s?

>But bad press 20 years ago when dude wasn't nearly as visible,
>rich and successful as he is now isn't that much of
>punishment.

anyway, to your question has he been given a pass - no, he hasn't. this case was discussed pretty thoroughly back when it was fresh. i saw it all over MTV and shit. Dre even commented on it - and was raked over the coals for his comments.

Herald as an elder's statesman of hip-hop and philanthropist.

20 years ago he was a producer in a gangsta rap group that was catching flack for filthy lyrics and a lot of other misogynistic stuff. Arguably that negative press was supportive of the whole image.

>in the 90s?
>
>>But bad press 20 years ago when dude wasn't nearly as
>visible,
>>rich and successful as he is now isn't that much of
>>punishment.
>
>anyway, to your question has he been given a pass - no, he
>hasn't. this case was discussed pretty thoroughly back when
>it was fresh. i saw it all over MTV and shit. Dre even
>commented on it - and was raked over the coals for his
>comments.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

.

it's been thoroughly discussed

cuz this was big news 20 years ago.

Y'all talk like there were real negative repercussions for a gangsta rapper famous for misogynistic lyrics being accused of domestic violence.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

he was also charged criminally. he plead guilty and was sentenced to 2 yrs probation, a fine and hundreds of hours of community service.

again - we're not brand new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dee_Barnes

37 you say? Your memories of the whole shit sounds like those of a 27 year old.

Dre was pretty much reviled for that whole shit back then. Lotta cats were on some "Fuck dat nigga" shit for putting his hands on Dee like that especially since they had just worked together on "We're All In The Same Gang" (You do remember Dee Barnes was a rapper, right?)

I remember watching his PSA on BET back then, shit was pretty dark too IIRC. Can't seem to find it anywhere though.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

Who helped The Chronic, Chronic 2001, Doggystyle, etc. go multi-platinum?

>Dre was pretty much reviled for that whole shit back then.
>Lotta cats were on some "Fuck dat nigga" shit for putting his
>hands on Dee like that especially since they had just worked
>together on "We're All In The Same Gang" (You do remember Dee
>Barnes was a rapper, right?)
>


Besides you and your crew talking about it point to some real career economic consequences of Dr. Dre's DV.





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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beating-up-the-charts-19910808

did he get a pass? no. he was asked about the shit directly. his response was vile. and it fit his image. but considering we're talking about NWA it was just one more controversy w/them.

going back to Cosby - his case is different, largely b/c of his image.

as for economic consequence - it's not like Dre lost endorsements over the Dee Barnes incident b/c he had NO endorsements back then...b/c of his image. LOL. however, that Niggaz4Life album sold about half the # of copies as Str8 Outta Compton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.W.A_discography#Albums

can we base that entirely on the fallout from the Dee Barnes controversy? i'm not sure.

but the point is Dre had a huge cloud over him back then.

What Dre did was plain assault and battery, it just happened that the victim was a woman.

2. NWA's Niggaz4Life sold about half the number of records as Straight Outta Compton. Niggaz... came out in May of 1991, barely 4 months after the Dee Barnes incident. Considering the atmosphere at the time, with 100 Miles... and Kill At Will fresh in everyone's mind that album should have gone at least double platinum (despite what the Wikipedia article states, the RIAA has never certified Niggaz... as a double platinum selling album, only Straight Outta Compton has). This can likely be attributed to Dre's assault charge and his higher visibility on Niggaz... due to Cube's absence.



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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

about Dee Barnes and it's not DV but a dude battering a woman. Who gives a shit about that distinction? One less bad than the other?


And Yo, yall really trying to argue it was the Dee Barnes incident that accounted for lack of sales of the ridiculously much more violent ice cube-less Niggaz4Life album?

I mean there is an entire seperate thread discussing the problems with that album that easily explain it comparative lack of sales.




>What Dre did was plain assault and battery, it just happened
>that the victim was a woman.
>
>2. NWA's Niggaz4Life sold about half the number of records as
>Straight Outta Compton. Niggaz... came out in May of 1991,
>barely 4 months after the Dee Barnes incident. Considering the
>atmosphere at the time, with 100 Miles... and Kill At Will
>fresh in everyone's mind that album should have gone at least
>double platinum (despite what the Wikipedia article states,
>the RIAA has never certified Niggaz... as a double platinum
>selling album, only Straight Outta Compton has). This can
>likely be attributed to Dre's assault charge and his higher
>visibility on Niggaz... due to Cube's absence.
>
>
>
>---------------------------
>
>"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the
>peace when we were getting laid out?
>Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances?
>Where is the peace then?
>They don't want to call for peace then.


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.

d

1. Cos got away with it. So far. Dre didn't - at least as related to Dee Barnes. And I'm not sure Michel'le ever went after him in court.

2. Cos has not offered any contrition. Dre is contrite.

3. Cos betrayed our trust in a way Dre didn't.

4. Dre's case occurred before social media and the real explosion of the 24 hour news cycle. But it has been discussed therein each time he's been in the news. And plenty ppl 'boycott' his work and products as a result.

about Dee Barnes. like this:

https://medium.com/@blkgrrrl/dont-forget-about-dre-22ea316b36ee

a lot of that was bc of their dean and that was a result of that big ass donation dre and levine gave them, lol

those kids put usc on front street and became art stars in the process

http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/20/dr-dre-michelle-domestic-abuse-allegations-black-eyes/

She said she had black eyes in half her videos.
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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

i'm not even the same person i was 20 yrs ago, how long we gonna make this man apologize for this?

so let's crucify him for his past because he wasn't 'punished' enough for it back then.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

we heard about this Dee Barnes case 20 yrs ago. we were outraged and we talked ALL about it. we demanded answers from Dre. he scoffed. we were more outraged. we boycotted. we wrote articles. he finally relented.

here's a nice summary from back in July of this year:

http://gawker.com/remember-when-dr-dre-bashed-a-female-journalists-face-1721368450

1. The whole Cosby thing started because Hannibal Buress pointed out that it is common knowledge that Bill Cosby did all this stuff and no one seemed to care. So no, we didn't just LEARN about this.

2. The only people who did any of those things, and I bet money you didn't do any of those things, were the people who were outraged and boycotted, were already haters of Gangsta Rap.

And bonus question.

3. What do you mean "he finally relented"? How?



>we heard about this Dee Barnes case 20 yrs ago. we were
>outraged and we talked ALL about it. we demanded answers from
>Dre. he scoffed. we were more outraged. we boycotted. we
>wrote articles. he finally relented.
>
>here's a nice summary from back in July of this year:
>
>http://gawker.com/remember-when-dr-dre-bashed-a-female-journalists-face-1721368450


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>1. The whole Cosby thing started because Hannibal Buress
>pointed out that it is common knowledge that Bill Cosby did
>all this stuff and no one seemed to care. So no, we didn't
>just LEARN about this.

oh stop. it wasn't 'common knowledge' at all. allegedly several professional comedians were aware and some ppl who live in Philly had heard rumors. that's it. the gen pop was NOT aware of the allegations until the story about Hannibal's joke broke nationally.

i'm not new, bro.

>2. The only people who did any of those things, and I bet
>money you didn't do any of those things, were the people who
>were outraged and boycotted, were already haters of Gangsta
>Rap.

not at all true.

>3. What do you mean "he finally relented"? How?

1. he plead guilty to the offense in criminal court back in the 1990s. he also settled Dee's civil suit out of court.

2. he alluded to the incident in rhymes on at least one Eminem album.

3. in the current issue of Rolling Stone he said this:

“I made some f*cking horrible mistakes in my life,” Dre admitted to Brian Hiatt. “I was young, f*cking stupid. I would say all the allegations aren’t true. Some of them are. Those are some of the things that I would like to take back. It was really f*cked up. But I paid for those mistakes, and there’s no way in hell that I will ever make another mistake like that again.”

>>1. The whole Cosby thing started because Hannibal Buress
>>pointed out that it is common knowledge that Bill Cosby did
>>all this stuff and no one seemed to care. So no, we didn't
>>just LEARN about this.
>
>oh stop. it wasn't 'common knowledge' at all. allegedly
>several professional comedians were aware and some ppl who
>live in Philly had heard rumors. that's it. the gen pop was
>NOT aware of the allegations until the story about Hannibal's
>joke broke nationally.
>
>i'm not new, bro.

1.You telling me the first you heard of BC rape charges were when Hannibal Burress made jokes? Them stories were all in the press at the time. People magazine even. I'd even wager that BC's story got more media mentions than Dr. Dre's Dee Barnes incident.


>>2. The only people who did any of those things, and I bet
>>money you didn't do any of those things, were the people who
>>were outraged and boycotted, were already haters of Gangsta
>>Rap.
>
>not at all true.

2. You were out there boycotting and protesting Dr. Dre? There was just not all this soul searching and moralizing over Dee Barnes and Michelle when the chronic dropped or 2001, or the formation of Aftermath.


>
>>3. What do you mean "he finally relented"? How?
>
>1. he plead guilty to the offense in criminal court back in
>the 1990s. he also settled Dee's civil suit out of court.


I didn't know that about the Criminal Charges. I heard in the civil case she got some wack beats.

What was he charged with for Michelle? What did her Civil Suit look like ?



>
>2. he alluded to the incident in rhymes on at least one Eminem
>album.

3. Alluded to in on an Eminem track? Come on man. You know that mention was straight up for laughs. The fact that they could do that joke shows there was no significant stigma attached to it.



>3. in the current issue of Rolling Stone he said this:
>
>“I made some f*cking horrible mistakes in my life,” Dre
>admitted to Brian Hiatt. “I was young, f*cking stupid. I
>would say all the allegations aren’t true. Some of them are.
>Those are some of the things that I would like to take back.
>It was really f*cked up. But I paid for those mistakes, and
>there’s no way in hell that I will ever make another mistake
>like that again.”

Yeah that was my original question. Were folks come with that as far as an apology. Definitely regret, but doesn't sound like an apology to me.




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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>> 1.You telling me the first you heard of BC rape charges were when Hannibal Burress made jokes? Them stories were all in the press at the time. People magazine even. I'd even wager that BC's story got more media mentions than Dr. Dre's Dee Barnes incident.

Not in People Magazine.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

i said professional comedians seemed to know and some ppl from Philly heard rumors.

other than that the story wasn't known to the gen pop.

yes, there was a People magazine article about the 2005 lawsuit and the article mentions other allegations. i don't read People magazine and neither does most of the gen pop.

also, keep in mind that Cosby was adept at squashing stories about these allegations. we saw him try it on camera w/that AP reporter earlier this year or late last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI6z97Efw3I

apparently he'd do that or something similar when journalists and others inquired about the allegations.

DL Hughley has a story about a time when he asked Cosby about the allegations during a taped radio interview:

http://www.centrictv.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/articles/2015/07/24/d-l-hughley-rips-bill-cosby-he-s-a-humorist-humanitarian-and-a-rapist.html

"In 2009, remember Kiss FM was here and I was hosting a show. People don't know that Bill Cosby sought actively to try to get out of there. He didn't like it at all. So we had a run-in and I knew he didn't like me and I didn't like him. He called in 2009 to do an interview. I was at Kiss FM in New York ... me, Jackie Reid, Steve Wilson. Bill Cosby calls, he had a gig in Connecticut. I knew he didn't like me so I just let them do the interview and about ten minutes in, he was being such a dick. So I said, 'Mr. Cosby, what do you want us to know?' He said, 'Who is this? D.L. Hughley? You say nigga and you do this.' And I say, 'With all due respect Mr. Cosby, when I cuss or I say nigga, no girl ends up with her underwear on backwards and drugged. And when I say nigga and cuss, it's on stage-- not on a police report.' And we back and forth. Five or ten minutes later, the people from Kiss FM and Emmis Communications came and took that tape and said, 'If it airs, you'll never work in radio again.' They took it from everybody and said this better never air and it did not. I know he's powerful enough to make that happen."


...so keep acting brand new if you want. i won't join you.

I grew up with no cable watching entertainment tonight and my mom reading People magazine.

But People Magazine isn't the Small Town Gazette. It was the magazine with the highest circulation in the world in the 90s.

It was all on Entertainment Tonight as well.

These were stories at the time. I just remember people dismissing the allegations as false.




>i said professional comedians seemed to know and some ppl
>from Philly heard rumors.
>
>other than that the story wasn't known to the gen pop.
>
>yes, there was a People magazine article about the 2005
>lawsuit and the article mentions other allegations. i don't
>read People magazine and neither does most of the gen pop.
>
>also, keep in mind that Cosby was adept at squashing stories
>about these allegations. we saw him try it on camera w/that
>AP reporter earlier this year or late last year:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI6z97Efw3I
>
>apparently he'd do that or something similar when journalists
>and others inquired about the allegations.
>
>DL Hughley has a story about a time when he asked Cosby about
>the allegations during a taped radio interview:
>
>http://www.centrictv.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/articles/2015/07/24/d-l-hughley-rips-bill-cosby-he-s-a-humorist-humanitarian-and-a-rapist.html
>
>"In 2009, remember Kiss FM was here and I was hosting a show.
>People don't know that Bill Cosby sought actively to try to
>get out of there. He didn't like it at all.
>So we had a run-in and I knew he didn't like me and I didn't
>like him. He called in 2009 to do an interview. I was at Kiss
>FM in New York ... me, Jackie Reid, Steve Wilson. Bill Cosby
>calls, he had a gig in Connecticut. I knew he didn't like me
>so I just let them do the interview and about ten minutes in,
>he was being such a dick. So I said, 'Mr. Cosby, what do you
>want us to know?' He said, 'Who is this? D.L. Hughley? You say
>nigga and you do this.' And I say, 'With all due respect Mr.
>Cosby, when I cuss or I say nigga, no girl ends up with her
>underwear on backwards and drugged. And when I say nigga and
>cuss, it's on stage-- not on a police report.' And we
>back and forth. Five or ten minutes later, the people
>from Kiss FM and Emmis Communications came and took that tape
>and said, 'If it airs, you'll never work in radio again.' They
>took it from everybody and said this better never air and it
>did not. I know he's powerful enough to make that happen."
>
>
>...so keep acting brand new if you want. i won't join you.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

And that Bill Cosby rape story has been floating around since the 90s if not earlier. It would pop up every few yrs.

>1.You telling me the first you heard of BC rape charges were
>when Hannibal Burress made jokes?

yes. that is exactly what i'm saying.

Them stories were all in
>the press at the time.

no. no they were not.

>People magazine even.

i found one story from 2006.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20059561,00.html

I'd even wager
>that BC's story got more media mentions than Dr. Dre's Dee
>Barnes incident.

no. it didn't. i'm not going to play brand new w/you, bro. i was there. you were too but either you've forgotten how big that story was or you weren't paying attention. either way - i remember and i'm not going to agree that the Cosby allegations received more media coverage before Hannibal's joke broke the story wide open than Dre's beating of Dee Barnes. that's just not true.

>2. You were out there boycotting and protesting Dr. Dre?

yup. i held signs and burned my bra, dude.

*eyes roll*

anyway, i was very conflicted about Dre and The Chronic back then b/c of the Dee Barnes story. his reactions to it are a main reason i didn't buy Doggystyle when it was released. i listened to it but didn't purchase it. and then i didn't buy the Above the Rim Soundtrack. or 2Pac's All Eyez On Me. i avoided all Death Row releases back then in part b/c of the Dee Barnes case.

There
>was just not all this soul searching and moralizing over Dee
>Barnes and Michelle when the chronic dropped or 2001, or the
>formation of Aftermath.

again - either you weren't paying attention or you've forgotten.

>I didn't know that about the Criminal Charges. I heard in the
>civil case she got some wack beats.

*shrugs*

> What was he charged with for Michelle? What did her Civil
>Suit look like ?

i dunno that she filed a criminal complaint w/police or that any prosecutor sought any criminal charge based thereon. i also don't know that Michele ever filed a civil suit seeking damages.

>3. Alluded to in on an Eminem track? Come on man. You know
>that mention was straight up for laughs. The fact that they
>could do that joke shows there was no significant stigma
>attached to it.

*shrugs*

>Yeah that was my original question. Were folks come with that
>as far as an apology. Definitely regret, but doesn't sound
>like an apology to me.

*shrugs*

okay.

Eminem, even? On the same song with Dre?

ever.

Dre was charged. he plead guilty.

Dre was also sued. he settled the suit out of court.

the major difference between Dre and Bill's cases - Bill got away w/it. for decades. plus the whole time he was doing that shit he was selling an image that was totally contradictory. so his act feels more like a betrayal than Dre's.

is Cosby was messing mostly with White Women.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

i dunno that he was ever charged for any violence w/Michele.

Dr Dre fighting two women.

back in the 80s he had a terrible reputation as a thug. this was around the time he and Madge divorced.

he didn't get a pass either.

.

like when he linked up w/ apple.

https://kjsmusic.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/dr-dre.jpg?w=600&h=596

I might be going to hades...

and he been making money all along...is not like pill cosby..where nobody knew..its been public knowledge..so why you on the bandwagon now?

and two I think it's worth talking about now because dude just produced a biopic where he just so happened to leave all that shit out and now instead we get the sanitized public story of a street ruffian creative genius turned billionaire businessman philanthropist.


>and he been making money all along...is not like pill
>cosby..where nobody knew..its been public knowledge..so why
>you on the bandwagon now?


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

cheese...he been a creative genius...they made a movie about the group..big fkng deal...hows he some mega street philanthropist now?? its still dre....remember?? the same nigga you art smart niggas swear he never made his own beat??? that dee shit so fkng old....how come nobody stopped his money before now...its 2015..

>and two I think it's worth talking about now because dude
>just produced a biopic where he just so happened to leave all
>that shit out and now instead we get the sanitized public
>story of a street ruffian creative genius turned billionaire
>businessman philanthropist.
>
>

This is a movie about NWA not Dr.Dre.... Lmao there's all kinds of shit that will be left out from each artists personal experience in the group for this movie. Stop looking for reasons to hate rich Black people this happened 20+ years ago. Whether he went to jail or not doesn't really even matter at this point, in fact jail doesn't even make you a better person so that was just stupid for you to state. I'm sure you and everyone else in the world did something that they regret doing 20 years ago. Do we not forgive people after they have realized a wrong doing on their behalf? Is there no room for redemption?

i get u had "feelings" for the victim but at this point the man has been a stand up dude ...
not getting a pass at all...

So if Bill Cosby comes out tomorrow and says that he is sorry, and it turns out he hasn't done it in the last 15 years. He good?


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

considering the nature of his offenses and the number of victims he'll have to do more than just admit fault and apologize. but it would definitely help.

to date Cosby has not admitted to any of his alleged wrongdoings. at least Dre has admitted that some of the allegations against him are true. to wit, he plead guilty to beating Dee Barnes. as for Michele i dunno that he was charged criminally or sued civilly or that he's addressed those allegations specifically. however, his general tone when speaking on those allegations is apologetic as opposed to Bill's defiant/dismissive tone.

and not only habitual he still has not accepted his role in this...

he is still blaming the victims
and i'm betting the only reason he's not still doing it is bc no doctor will give him the Rx for the drugs.

And I think that Bill Cosby was worthy of the takedown with the first girl he drugged and raped. I don't think it was only problematic when he was doing it habitually.

Y'all should step back and listen to yourselves.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

other than that...
nah, I don't think he has a pass...



"Get ready..for your blessing..."

But people still shouldn't be surprised since Dre is the one "writing the history book" in this case.

I'm kiddin'.

I just like bullshittin' and lyin' on OKP like the rest of y'all.

I wouldn't know Dee Barnes from Dee Brown and I follow her on instagram.

if MC Brains was out here smacking hoes around, it wouldnt be a story

You could argue that Bill Cosby finally got taken to task because dude was no longer as powerful as he once was and the difference with Dr. Dre he is kind of at a power level where this negative story can't really take him down.

In fact, you can believe this is the case without the concept of the Illuminati.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

and if he really cared form a lifelong partnership with organizations that help abused women or something.

>RE: Should apologize to Barnes at least and if he really cared form a lifelong partnership with organizations that help abused women or something.


I kind of assumed that part of the roll out of Dr. Dre as the billionaire Philanthropist would be them trotting out Dee Barnes saying they are cool now and money give to a DV org.

Surprised it didn't happen.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

How do you know he hasn't apologized to her?

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

Why? Is your goal in life to be assured that everyone in the world is happy with you? He probably doesn't care to mention it, why should you? Even if he did mention it in every interview there's plenty of people like yourself who won't accept that and would still have a problem with him.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

Any time he does something notable, there'll be someone saying "What about Dee Barnes and Michel'le?"

It isn't affecting his pockets anymore but he's never going to completely live it down.

Considering he's already been legally punished for Dee Barnes, I think that's appropriate.

were she white this question wouldn't even need to be asked.

I guess you could go two very different ways with this.

1. We crabs in a barrel taking a brother down?

or

2. We glorify bad people.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>I guess you could go two very different ways with this.
>
>1. We crabs in a barrel taking a brother down?
>
>or
>
>2. We glorify bad people.
>
>
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're

1. It happened along time ago.

yeah but there is no moral statute of limitation on doing bad shit. It's not time that matters but reconciliation/punishment/repentance. I don't see any of that happened with Dr. Dre.

2. But he was charged criminally and sued civilly.

Dude got probation and who knows what he settled for. I always heard she got beats in the settlement. Moreover, there is no evidence either of that happened for Michelle.

3. He was dragged through the mud at the time though.

When he was a gangsta rapper? When ever album that dude dropped went Multi-platinum? I'd like someone to point to some real social/professional/economic cost that came from that scandal. At least Chris Brown lost Double Mint.

4. But he apologized for it.

Read his quote. As thought experiment let's imagine Bill Cosby came out tomorrow and said the exact same thing about the rape allegations. Would folks think it is kosher?


5. Didn't seem like it was habitual.

No need for a retort.


Which is the good explanation?



>>I guess you could go two very different ways with this.
>>
>>1. We crabs in a barrel taking a brother down?
>>
>>or
>>
>>2. We glorify bad people.
>>
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>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>
>>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as
>to
>>whether you're
>


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

as a result of the Dee Barnes and Michel'le incidents?

I am not looking for jail time. I don't think I would want that.

But his past should be sanitized. I'd like to hear that he made amends with Dee Barnes and Michelle. I would love to hear Michelle come forth and say "Hey Me and Dre are cool. He came to me and apologized and made amends and it was sincere and I forgave him."

I would love to hear from his current wife that DV isn't an issue. That dude has grown and changed his ways.

I would love to hear that he not only regrets his pass actions but he has made amends with the people that he has hurt.

I don't know if regret is the same thing as realizing the error in your ways. I can regret drinking and driving if I get arrested but that doesn't mean I realized the danger I put other people in.

It would be awesome if he took some effort to pay it forward and put some money towards domestic violence.

That would make me feel alot better about buying his albums and supporting his movie.

It's not that hard. People want to forgive.




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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

Well good luck with that. Just get over it bro.

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This post has been a strange journey.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

*fixed

And I think I am defining pass as negative consequences to their career and life.


White folks put him on time out. Black folks not so much.


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He seems like a shitty dude but then again he has about 17 songs with bitch in the title and it ain't never stopped me from bumpin it

was beating that drum (no pun intended) some months ago. I think it was around the time of the Apple deal. I think he did a phone interview with Dee Barnes around that time as well. I don't have a link to the video since Youtube doesn't work here, but it's on his Youtube channel if you are curious to hear her side of things.

Which seems like the slam when folks bring it up.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

I just assumed Dre gave her a truckload of money at some point

through his Youtube channel and I can't see to find it. Appears I was wrong about the interview taking place. I know he was kicking up dirt about Dre, but I'm guessing I'm confusing the fact he only mentioned her name. Don't think the interview went down.

***clutches pearls***

lol at everyone in this post who expects reasonable and objective replies from you.

still.

makes you wonder.

people are being kind of revisionist in here about the bill cosby thing
the andrea constand accusations are almost a decade old i think and it was posted about on this very site as well as covered in mainstream media
none of yall remember camille being interviewed and saying she forgave him for cheating?
it stopped there because the victim signed a NDA and none of us cared.
i have no idea how hannibal burress stating something we already knew somehow turned into a whirlwind of 30+ ppl feeling comfortable enough to come forward and everything else that has happened since
it's just another example of us not understanding why some stories go viral while others get swept under the rug for whatever reason

ppl have been trying to create the same energy for what dr. dre did as of late, but no one cares right now. same way none of us cared enough in 2005 with the cosby accusations

>it's just another example of us not understanding why some
>stories go viral while others get swept under the rug for
>whatever reason ppl have been trying to create the same energy for what dr. dre did as of late, but no one cares right now. same way none of us cared enough in 2005 with the cosby accusations.


This thread as it relates to Cosby is what makes it interesting to me. Yeah there are obvious differences between the two cases.

1. Gangsta Rapper versus America's Dad
2. Rape versus Domestic Violence
3. Number of accusers
4. Some acknowledgement of wrong doing versus none.
5. At least in one instance there was some criminal charges (though it is laughable to say dude suffered criminal consequences).

There are differences that I don't know whether or not make a difference like Black Women victims versus majority white women victims.

But folks are acting like its unthinkable to compare the two and its interesting to see people who were up in arms about BC kind of casually shrugging off the Dr. Dre thing and use alot of the defenses that would be totally unthinkable to use in the Cosby case like, it happened a long time ago.

It's a little strange to me that not one of the usual advocates of women got anything to say about it.

I don't think the clear differences alone explain the very different treatment. Like you said, it's just that some story go viral others don't.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

And you both love passive aggression too. Like some ppl.

It's also not passive aggressive to be able to disagree with folks without getting worked up personal and avoid name calling, that's called being a grown up about it.

For the record, this is what me being passive aggressive looks like.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

I'm in my feelings. Lol

>It's a little strange to me that not one of the usual
>advocates of women got anything to say about it.
>
>I don't think the clear differences alone explain the very
>different treatment.

you kind of threw a gotcha! grenade in here
maybe you could have used the ostracization of ike turner or ray rice as a comparison point
but ppl would have likely still found some differentiation to deflect
"but dre wasn't caught on tape!"
6 months from now if there is a full fledged campaign against dre for things he did 20 yrs ago, rest assured everyone in this thread will be on board

It's hard to believe for me that a dude that bragged about beating a chick only did it with two most famous chicks he dated.

Maybe if the media continues to lionize him other women will come out the woodworks. might be a different convo here.




>6 months from now if there is a full fledged campaign against
>dre for things he did 20 yrs ago, rest assured everyone in
>this thread will be on board


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

and then you'll be proved right. which is what matters most, of course.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

though the story has re-surfaced on blogs and shit every time Dre has been in the news.

how do you want us to hold him accountable for this in 2015? What is the tangible social punishment? Should we not but the album? Not go see the movie?

I stated in #71 what would make me feel more comfortable buying his album and appreciating all this accolade as the Hip-Hop Elder's Statesman Billionaire Philanthropist featured in a glowing Biopic (well I guess I would want folks to remember what they left out in making the movie).

This post ain't really a rally cry to get people motivated to take down Dr. Dre. I was mainly curiously why no one seems to care.

Do this thought experiment though: What if folks asked your exact question about Bill Cosby?

"That shit happened so long ago what are folks suppose to do about it in 2015?"

Don't you think folks would find the question offensive?


>how do you want us to hold him accountable for this in 2015?
>What is the tangible social punishment? Should we not but the
>album? Not go see the movie?


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

I didn't ask the question as if I don't care via powerlessness or anything like that. I also wasn't accusing you of rallying troops against him or his actions either. I'm just posing a question that I feel is legitimate because there are people who are calling for some type of action. To expand on my sentiment though... I was born in 1986. I was a tot when that shit happened. The people who let him off the hook were the niggas who were cognitive at the time, not me.

Whether people get offended or not the reality is when it comes to things that people have done over time there is a question of "has enough time passed for this to not be...something that we are calling for action over. Thats the case even in people's personal lives with things that have affected their real lives. Lets not pretend like time and healing dont correlate.

and miss me with that Bill Cosby bullshit

....but only after giving him the flogging of his life. I mean, him settling out of court and getting dragged through the press wasn't enough. We want blood.


Since 1976

>Do this thought experiment though: What if folks asked your
>exact question about Bill Cosby?

Bill would have had to have gone through a similar event in order for this to even be a valid comparison.

Beating someone's ass is quite a bit different from raping them. I don't care who you ask, no one will look at both crimes the same.

>
>"That shit happened so long ago what are folks suppose to do
>about it in 2015?"

Because it DID happen a long time ago. Dude was fined, placed on probation for two years, had to make a PSA (which, IIRC, had to come out of his pocket), and did community service.

Also... Since he was on probation that meant no shows outside of the country for the length of time he was on probation unless he got an extremely lenient judge.

you can't hold shit over him forever. Charles Dutton ain't apologizing anymore for his murder and neither is Don King for both of his. Are we still holding Charlie Sheen's abuse of Brittany Ashland over his head??? Tommy Lee kicked Pamela Anderson while she was holding a baby, we still on that or nah? Dennis Rodman got three broads he beat under his belt, we still salty over that shit??? More recently Mel Gibson pled guilty to beating that Oksana chick only a few years ago. Ain't nobody talking about that shit anymore. Christian Slater did jail time in the late 90's for his shit, you holding that over him?

and we can keep going on and on with celebs that have actual DV charges that people have let go of.

You're just holding on to this one for some reason...

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

And I think it's a valid one. I remember when this was a story and thinking that he got off easy (in regards to how the public viewed him and how he addressed it)

And let's not even get into the shit he did to Michel'le...

Idk I'm with Buddy on this one. I don't think he should be nailed to the cross, but I find it kinda odd that folks are so opposed to talking about it but the whole Bill Cosby thing is allowed to be an issue. Then you look at somebody like Chris Brown that has been paying for the shit he did to Rhianna since it happened and prolly will continue to do so for the rest of his life. I don't necessarily think that's fair either, but yea it's weird to watch people react differently to similar actions.

Attitudes that rapped about raping women and murdering police officers.

i don't know sounds like cosby is not only a rapist but a habitual liar.

so it was a much bigger shock.

.

holla back at us then and tell us if you think Chris Brown got a pass.

b/c the way i see Dre's case is more like his than Cosby's.

I wouldn't want to feed into that.

(or the white variation that this is white organized take down of a brother).

Its an often used retort that avoids the substance of the allegations but it didn't save Bill Cosby.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>(or the white variation that this is white organized take
>down of a brother).
>
>Its an often used retort that avoids the substance of the
>allegations but it didn't save Bill Cosby.
>
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're

Relax homey, it's not that serious.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

Because this is just you copping deaf pleas as to why the no voters' perfectly reasonable points dont apply

It's okay that I don't change anyone's mind. Also okay that I don't find many of the reasons offered in here compelling to change my mind.

And there is the fact that folks are just making things up in here like no one knew about Bill Cosby prior to Hannibal Buress and that the Dee Barnes incident is what is responsible for the bad reception of N4L (not the lack of cube and the over the top cartoonish violence).


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

And summarizing everything that has been typed in here as "it happened a long time ago" is stupid as fuck

You are acting like shit you didnt know about (bad press at the time, deflated record sales, A CONVICTION) didnt actually happen

I aint getting into it with you because you are pretending to be a fucking moron for some reason. Good luck with that.

>And summarizing everything that has been typed in here as "it
>happened a long time ago" is stupid as fuck

I didn't summarized everything as that. I took the one defense cited most often that is most clearly on it's face not a good excuse. I also went through the other stuff people cited and shared why I didn't think it was compelling. That's it. That's kind of where the exchange ends. Everything else is noise.

>
>You are acting like shit you didnt know about (bad press at
>the time, deflated record sales, A CONVICTION) didnt actually
>happen

Like I said, the idea that the minor shit storm surrounding this at the time harmed him economically or professionally is bullshit. No one has pointed to any concrete thing that happened other than probation, a $2500 fine and community service for DEE Barnes. No one has pointed any consequences for the Michelle accusation. The Michelle stuff coming out is relatively new. Point to one consequence of that?

And again. The idea that N4L tanked because of Dee Barnes is a stretch and folks know they know it.


So I keep responding to the same tired arguments that yall keep throwing up. Can you answer these two simple questions without deflecting?

1. The main defense in here is that it happened a long time ago. Do you think that is a good reason to give someone a pass?

2. What were the consequences of the Michelle accusation?



>
>I aint getting into it with you because you are pretending to
>be a fucking moron for some reason. Good luck with that.

Do I really have to say that its not being a moron to disagree with the crowd or find yall's rationale weak?



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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>>And summarizing everything that has been typed in here as
>"it
>>happened a long time ago" is stupid as fuck
>
>I didn't summarized everything as that. I took the one
>defense cited most often that is most clearly on it's face not
>a good excuse. I also went through the other stuff people
>cited and shared why I didn't think it was compelling. That's
>it. That's kind of where the exchange ends. Everything else
>is noise.
>
>>
>>You are acting like shit you didnt know about (bad press at
>>the time, deflated record sales, A CONVICTION) didnt
>actually
>>happen
>
>Like I said, the idea that the minor shit storm surrounding
>this at the time harmed him economically or professionally is
>bullshit. No one has pointed to any concrete thing that
>happened other than probation, a $2500 fine and community
>service for DEE Barnes. No one has pointed any consequences
>for the Michelle accusation. The Michelle stuff coming out is
>relatively new. Point to one consequence of that?

people get accused of a lot of shit, especially celebrities. An accusation without legal action behind it is pretty much meaningless. I can accuse anyone of anything but unless I'm willing to go through with some sort of legal action I really need to keep my fuckin mouth shut and take the L.

>
>And again. The idea that N4L tanked because of Dee Barnes is
>a stretch and folks know they know it.
>
>
>So I keep responding to the same tired arguments that yall
>keep throwing up. Can you answer these two simple questions
>without deflecting?
>
>1. The main defense in here is that it happened a long time
>ago. Do you think that is a good reason to give someone a
>pass?

Check #98. I gave you a list of celebs, two of whom are murderers, who's past violent behaviors are not really talking points anymore.


>2. What were the consequences of the Michelle accusation?

Until the day comes where Michel'le decides to sue Dre for that shit, nothing.


>>I aint getting into it with you because you are pretending
>to
>>be a fucking moron for some reason. Good luck with that.
>
>Do I really have to say that its not being a moron to disagree
>with the crowd or find yall's rationale weak?

likewise, we're finding your rationale weak, to the point of caping for these two chicks where I seriously doubt you're doing the same for other women who were assaulted/abused by another celebrity you may happen to like.

>Because this is just you copping deaf pleas as to why the no
>voters' perfectly reasonable points dont apply

I think it probably played a big part in dre falling off the map before the Chronic album.

It's new to a lot of folks under 35, which is who america markets towards (dunno why, really, cuz they don't have long green, like that).

And I'm a cat that doesn't really like Dre OR NWA, like that.

Lemme ask you this - does Nina Simone get a pass for abusing her daughter? Great people can do horrible things and vice versa. I'm not a fan of this whole "let's shit on person X in this field, because they were horrible in Y".

It's hella unrealistic

If she were allowed to re-write her own history and no one questioned it, then yeah she would have gotten a pass.

Truth is lots of people get passes. Ghandi had a habit of sleeping with naked nubile young women to test his celibacy. He has gotten a pass on that as he is elavated to saint like status.

It's interesting to me that some folks get passes, others don't.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

And you haven't seen the Dr.Dre movie yet either. So WTF? So now that someone has told you that she beat her daughter does that change your mind about Nina Simone and seeing her movie. All you can say about the Michelle incident is that you "heard" about it. You don't have the facts or details of the situation but yet you have a stance on it. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and you a Black person in America should be saying to yourself, "Why do I think like this about other blacks when I know blacks are always targeted?" not why is he getting a pass? Ask yourself "why am I being so judgemental of these people when I have made wrongdoings in my past?"
Maybe then you'll start to understand why this isn't such a big deal to anyone anymore. If not, I'm sure he could care less about what you think.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

Were black male entertainers the only people doing foul shit back in the day? That seems to be all we ever hear about.

and he was fucking chicks up.

Yall really having a hard time seeing that people end up getting passes because their public perception is really different from what we know about their private life for whatever reason?


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

LENNON: It is a diary form of writing. All that "I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved" was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically -- any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything's the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am not violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster.

http://www.recmusicbeatles.com/public/files/bbs/jl_yo.playboy/lennon4.html

very much before he got filthy rich, so it was already behind him and has been somewhat forgotten since.

If dude doesn't want it to now blow up and be a thing he should be more careful about santiziing the pass in the film and being to much heralded as billionaire philanthropist.


The thing about Bill Cosby is that his story would have never have blown up if dude wasn't gearing up to make a comeback, had a new bio dropped that ignored the allegations and doing all that moral lecturing.


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You cannot hate people for their own good.

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Rapper/Are We There Yet? star/writer of lines like, “I once knew a bitch who got slapped / ‘Cause she played me like she was all that” Ice Cube reflects on the misogyny he and his former group N.W.A. have been accused of in Rolling Stone’s next cover story, on stands Friday. In a preview post on Rolling Stone’s website, his musing comes under the bolded heading “Cube laughs off N.W.A’s lyrical treatment of women (which, to be fair, got way worse after he left the group).” Cube’s quote is (and I hope you’re ready to laugh along with this nice man):

If you’re a bitch, you’re probably not going to like us. If you’re a ho, you probably don’t like us. If you’re not a ho or a bitch, don’t be jumping to the defense of these despicable females. Just like I shouldn’t be jumping to the defense of no punks or no cowards or no slimy son of a bitches that’s men. I never understood why an upstanding lady would even think we’re talking about her.
Got that ladies? Be upstanding and you’ll have no problems with Ice Cube, including the problems of being labeled a bitch and/or a hoe.* Kinda makes you want to dash out to see the movie this man produced about his life, Straight Outta Compton, doesn’t it?

Also in the story (and uh, completely related to the misogynistic culture endorsed by N.W.A.), Dr. Dre discusses his history of abusing women, including journalist Dee Barnes, whose face he repeatedly bashed against a wall in 1991:

I made some fucking horrible mistakes in my life. I was young, fucking stupid. I would say all the allegations aren’t true – some of them are. Those are some of the things that I would like to take back. It was really fucked up. But I paid for those mistakes, and there’s no way in hell that I will ever make another mistake like that again.
Have you paid, though Dre? Have you really paid?




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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>Have you paid, though Dre? Have you really paid?

I don't get comments like this. What do they want to happen to him? Do they want him to lose his fortune? If he apologized and squared everything away with Ms Barnes and she accepted it, Dre don't owe nobody else shit.

but people for real NEEEEEEEEEEEVER brought it up until now, seeing that he's super extra rich. HE essentially mentions it on a damn song through Eminem which was a HUGE single, and that actually exposed the incident to most of us who had never heard about it because of our age. I got into Dre in 92, and didn't hear anything about it til a song that he actually produced. So it's so damn ridiculous to pull it out now, as if he should have got 25 years in jail for it

You are saying for a certain age group and younger yall didn't hear about it until he brought it (in jokes at that).

So it's not something that's tarnished his career. And now it's not really worth pressing him about because it was so long ago.

In other words, dude got a pass on the incident.


Admitting dude got a pass on it isn't the same thing as saying dude should go to jail now for an incident that happened 20+ years ago.


>but people for real NEEEEEEEEEEEVER brought it up until now,
>seeing that he's super extra rich. HE essentially mentions it
>on a damn song through Eminem which was a HUGE single, and
>that actually exposed the incident to most of us who had never
>heard about it because of our age. I got into Dre in 92, and
>didn't hear anything about it til a song that he actually
>produced. So it's so damn ridiculous to pull it out now, as if
>he should have got 25 years in jail for it


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

answered questions in media interviews then and now, an unknown number of thought pieces written about the incident each time homie has been in the news for over 20 yrs now. But you say he 'caught a pass'.

Lol. Ok. But that's about the worst that happens in battery cases, player. I have seen dozens if not hundreds of them. It'd be the same in the Michel'le case if she had participated in criminal prosecution or sued civilly - probation, treatment, maybe community service. Dre's cases look like standard misdemeanor or low-level felony battery stuff to me.

And you then acknowledge that none of that happened for her.

We going in circles now.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

in the Dee Barnes case.

2. Michel'le never sought action against Dre or talked much about violence between them until recently, AFAIK. If he 'caught a pass' there it's bc SHE didn't speak up. For her own reasons.

3. No, he didn't catch a pass on Michel'le bc we're talking about it now. If she had spoken out and pursued homie in court the worst that woukd happen to him is what happened in the Dee Barnes case - guilty plea, probation, community service. He wasn't going to lose his career over that, player. Ask Chris Brown. Ask James Brown. Wesley Snipes. Miles Davis. Marvin Gaye. Nina Simone. et al.

RE: 1. You added the Michel'le thing after we pointed out the resolution in the Dee Barnes case.

Omitting Michelle was pointed out in the very second post. I added it then acknowledged it by post 5. All before you went into the criminal resolution of the Dee Barnes case.

And at any rate, who cares when I added it? It doesn't change that there were no criminal consequences for her case.


Also doesn't it feel weird to be arguing that it's on the victim for not speaking up? That's basically the argument for dismissing all 30+ Cosby Accusers.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

and passing acknowledgement of Michel'le as an afterthought.

>And at any rate, who cares when I added it? It doesn't change
>that there were no criminal consequences for her case.

ask HER why she didn't pursue a criminal case like Dee Barnes chose to. *shrugs*

>Also doesn't it feel weird to be arguing that it's on the
>victim for not speaking up?

no b/c i'm a defense attorney. i do that shit all day everyday. LOL.

and the overwhelming majority of domestic battery criminal cases begin w/the alleged victim/survivor as the complaining witness. we usually don't know about domestic battery unless/until the victim/survivor speaks up. in the Michel'le case she didn't until recently, it seems. i dunno why. it ain't like she didn't have a platform or the opportunity.

That's basically the argument
>for dismissing all 30+ Cosby Accusers.

sure except they have told us why they didnt come forward - they were afraid they wouldn't be believed for the most part. that's largely due to Cosby's image. not the case w/Dre and Michel'le. if she'd spoken up sooner - especially in the wake of the Dee Barnes case - she more likely would've been believed largely b/c of Dre's image and his other shenanigans. so no, as much as you keep trying to find some analogy between Dre and Cos this ain't it. i'm sure you'll keep fuckin that chicken though. so best of luck w/it.

http://gawker.com/heres-whats-missing-from-straight-outta-compton-me-and-1724735910


On January 27, 1991, at a record-release party for the rap duo Bytches With Problems in Hollywood, producer/rapper/then-N.W.A. member Dr. Dre brutally attacked Dee Barnes, the host of a well-known Fox show about hip-hop called Pump It Up! Dre was reportedly angry about a Pump It Up! segment hosted by Barnes that aired in November 1990. The report focused on N.W.A., and concluded with a clip of Ice Cube, who had recently left the group, insulting his former colleagues. Soon after the attack, Barnes described it in interviews: She said Dre attempted to throw her down a flight of stairs, slammed her head against a wall, kicked her, and stomped on her fingers. Dre later told Rolling Stone, “It ain’t no big thing – I just threw her through a door.” He pleaded no contest to assault charges. Barnes’s civil suit against Dre was settled out of court.

Barnes agreed to watch F. Gary Gray’s just-released film about N.W.A, Straight Outta Compton, and reflect on it for Gawker.

I never experienced police harassment until I moved to California in the ‘80s. The first time it happened, I had just left a house party that erupted in gunfire. A cop pulled me over and ordered me out of the car. I was 19, naive, and barefoot. When I made a move to get my shoes, the cop became aggressive. He manhandled me because he supposedly thought I was grabbing for a weapon. I’m lucky he didn’t shoot me. There I was, face down on the ground, knee in my back. In June, I was reminded of what happened to me when I watched video of a police officer named Eric Casebolt grabbing a 15-year-old girl outside the Craig Ranch North Community Pool in Texas, slamming her body to the ground, and putting his knee in her back.

Three years later—in 1991—I would experience something similar, only this time I was on my back and the knee was in my chest. That knee did not belong to a police officer, but Andre Young, the producer/rapper who goes by Dr. Dre. When I saw the footage of California Highway Patrol officer Daniel Andrew straddling and viciously punching Marlene Pinnock in broad daylight on the side of a busy freeway last year, I cringed. That must have been how it looked as Dr. Dre straddled me and beat me mercilessly on the floor of the women’s restroom at the Po Na Na Souk nightclub in 1991.

That event isn’t depicted in Straight Outta Compton, but I don’t think it should have been, either. The truth is too ugly for a general audience. I didn’t want to see a depiction of me getting beat up, just like I didn’t want to see a depiction of Dre beating up Michel’le, his one-time girlfriend who recently summed up their relationship this way: “I was just a quiet girlfriend who got beat on and told to sit down and shut up.”

But what should have been addressed is that it occurred. When I was sitting there in the theater, and the movie’s timeline skipped by my attack without a glance, I was like, “Uhhh, what happened?” Like many of the women that knew and worked with N.W.A., I found myself a casualty of Straight Outta Compton’s revisionist history.

Dre, who executive produced the movie along with his former groupmate Ice Cube, should have owned up to the time he punched his labelmate Tairrie B twice at a Grammys party in 1990. He should have owned up to the black eyes and scars he gave to his collaborator Michel’le. And he should have owned up to what he did to me. That’s reality. That’s reality rap. In his lyrics, Dre made hyperbolic claims about all these heinous things he did to women. But then he went out and actually violated women. Straight Outta Compton would have you believe that he didn’t really do that. It doesn’t add up. It’s like Ice Cube saying, “I’m not calling all women bitches,” which is a position he maintains even today at age 46. If you listen to the lyrics of “A Bitch Iz a Bitch,” Cube says, “Now the title bitch don’t apply to all women / But all women have a little bitch in ‘em.” So which is it? You can’t have it both ways. That’s what they’re trying to do with Straight Outta Compton: They’re trying to stay hard, and look like good guys.

I knew the guys of N.W.A. years before they blew up. I first met Andre (who’s wonderfully portrayed by Corey Hawkins in Compton) when he lived with his cousin Jinx, who would later introduce me to O’Shea Jackson, a.k.a. Ice Cube. I was at Lonzo’s house when Andre and Antoine Carraby, a.k.a. Yella, were both still in the World Class Wreckin’ Cru. I was there at the radio station KDAY with Greg Mack. Later, while they were creating the N.W.A and the Posse album, I would meet MC Ren and Arabian Prince. It was at Lonzo’s studio that my best friend Rose Hutchinson and I formed the rap group Body and Soul. We spent countless days and nights at Lonzo’s house, and in his studio we recorded a demo produced by both Dr. Dre and DJ Pooh. It was there where I also met Eric Wright, a.k.a. Eazy E. These men became my brothers.


I wasn’t in the studio to hear them record their disgusting, misogynistic views on women in songs like “A Bitch Iz a Bitch,” “Findum, Fuckum & Flee,” “One Less Bitch,” and perhaps most offensively, “She Swallowed It.” (On that track, MC Ren brags about violating at 14-year-old girl: “Oh shit it’s the preacher’s daughter! / And she’s only 14 and a ho / But the bitch sucks dick like a specialized pro.”) I heard the material like everybody else, when I was listening to the albums, and I was shocked. Maybe that was their point. Maybe they said a lot of that stuff for the shock value. There were always other girls around, like Michel’le and Rose, and we never heard them talk like that. We never heard them say, “Bitch, get over here and suck my dick.” In their minds, only certain women were “like that,” and I’ve never presented myself like that, so I never gave them a reason to call me names.

Accurately articulating the frustrations of young black men being constantly harassed by the cops is at Straight Outta Compton’s activistic core. There is a direct connection between the oppression of black men and the violence perpetrated by black men against black women. It is a cycle of victimization and reenactment of violence that is rooted in racism and perpetuated by patriarchy. If the breadth of N.W.A.’s lyrical subject matter was guided by a certain logic, though, it was clearly a caustic logic.

It was so caustic that when Dre was trying to choke me on the floor of the women’s room in Po Na Na Souk, a thought flashed through my head: “Oh my god. He’s trying to kill me.” He had me trapped in that bathroom; he held the door closed with his leg. It was surreal. “Is this happening?” I thought.

Their minds were so ignorant back then, claiming that I set them up and made them look stupid. That wasn’t a setup. It was journalism and television, first of all, and secondly, I had nothing to do with the decision to run the package as it did. After an interview with N.W.A., the segment ended with Ice Cube saying “I got all you suckers 100 miles and runnin’,” and then, imitating N.W.A. affiliate the D.O.C.: “I’d like to give a shoutout to the D.O.C. Y’all can’t play me.” I was a pawn in the game. I was in it, but so was a true opportunist: the director of Straight Outta Compton, F. Gary Gray.

Here's What's Missing From Straight Outta Compton: Me and the Other Women Dr. Dre Beat Up
That’s right. F. Gary Gray, the man whose film made $60 million last weekend as it erased my attack from history, was also behind the camera to film the moment that launched that very attack. He was my cameraman for Pump It Up! You may have noticed that Gary has been reluctant to address N.W.A.’s misogyny and Dre’s attack on me in interviews. I think a huge reason that Gary doesn’t want to address it is because then he’d have to explain his part in history. He’s obviously uncomfortable for a reason.

Gary was the one holding the camera during that fateful interview with Ice Cube, which was filmed on the set of Boyz N the Hood. I was there to interview the rapper Yo Yo. Cube was in a great mood, even though he was about to shoot and he was getting into character.

Cube went into a trailer to talk to Gary and Pump It Up! producer Jeff Shore. I saw as he exited that Cube’s mood had changed. Either they told him something or showed him the N.W.A. footage we had shot a few weeks earlier. What ended up airing was squeaky clean compared to the raw footage. N.W.A. were chewing Cube up and spitting him out. I was trying to do a serious interview and they were just clowning—talking shit, cursing. It was crazy.

Right after we shot a now-angry Cube and they shouted, “Cut!” one of the producers said, “We’re going to put that in.” I said, “Hell no.” I wasn’t even thinking about being attacked at the time, I was just afraid that they were going to shoot each other. I didn’t want to be part of that. “This is no laughing matter,” I tried telling them. “This is no joke. These guys take this stuff seriously.” I was told by executives that I was being emotional. That’s because I’m a woman. They would have never told a man that. They would have taken him seriously and listened.

It was that interview that was the supposed cause of Dre’s attack on me, as many of his groupmates attested. My life changed that night. I suffer from horrific migraines that started only after the attack. I love Dre’s song “Keep Their Heads Ringin”—it has a particularly deep meaning to me. When I get migraines, my head does ring and it hurts, exactly in the same spot every time where he smashed my head against the wall. People have accused me of holding onto the past; I’m not holding onto the past. I have a souvenir that I never wanted. The past holds onto me.

People ask me, “How come you’re not on TV anymore?” and “How come you’re not back on television?” It’s not like I haven’t tried. I was blacklisted. Nobody wants to work with me. They don’t want to affect their relationship with Dre. I’ve been told directly and indirectly, “I can’t work with you.” I auditioned for the part that eventually went to Kimberly Elise in Set It Off. Gary was the director. This was long after Pump it Up!, and I nailed the audition. Gary came out and said, “I can’t give you the part.” I asked him why, and he said, “‘Cause I’m casting Dre as Black Sam.” My heart didn’t sink, I didn’t get emotional; I was just numb.

Most recently, I tried to get a job at Revolt. I’ve known Sean (Combs) for years and have the utmost respect for him. Still nothing. Instead of doing journalism, I’ve had a series of 9-5 jobs over the years to make ends meet.

There’s a myth that I was paid so well by the settlement I received from Dre that I’d never have to work again. People think I was paid millions, when in reality, I didn’t even get a million, and it wasn’t until September of 1993. He and his lawyers dragged their feet the whole way. He stopped coming to court, they kept postponing it. I was tired, and, toward the end, pregnant, but I still tried to show up for everything. And I never thought I was going to have to stop doing what I loved for my job. That was the furthest thing from my mind.

The last time I saw Dre, and was up close and personal with him, we were cordial but not friendly. That was years ago, before “Guilty Conscience,” the 1999 Eminem/Dre collaboration that references me (“You gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes?”). I most recently saw Cube at the Kings of the Mic show at Los Angeles’s Greek Theater in 2013. We talked briefly and he was very unfriendly. Standoffish, even.

There were two things that made me emotional while watching Straight Outta Compton. The first was the scene where D.O.C. is in the hospital after a car accident that nearly decapitated him. I went to see him then, and I was devastated. I thought he was going to die. I saw him fresh, when he was hooked up to life support and had blood and cuts still visible.

The other scene was Eazy’s death. I got a chance to see him prior to his dying of AIDS-related complications in March of 1995, maybe about a month before. I briefly owned a production company. Our office was on Melrose, and we shared it with another production company. Eazy came in to the other production company to look for a director for a Bone-Thugs-n-Harmony video. I didn’t know he was coming, he didn’t know I was going to be there. It was just a pure blessing. I am so grateful I had the opportunity to make peace with him before he passed. We hugged, we kissed, we talked, and I felt good when I saw him, but I knew something was wrong. He didn’t look well. I thought maybe he just had a cold. He wasn’t coughing, the way it was dramatized in the movie. He sounded congested and he looked skinny. We had a nice conversation and I felt really good about it.

I believe that if Eazy were alive, neither Tairrie B., nor JJ Fad wouldn’t have been ignored in the movie. Eazy was the straight shooter of the group and he just would have kept it more real. JJ Fad was a trio of female rappers from Rialto, California, whose debut album was released by Ruthless in order to establish and legitimize the label. It was commercially successful and featured the mega hit “Supersonic,” produced by Arabian Prince, who appears only briefly in Straight Outta Compton. JJ Fad’s success paved the way for the release of the Straight Outta Compton album. It’s a very pivotal moment that was erased from N.W.A.’s story. It’s easy for them to be dismissive of women, because they don’t respect most women.

With the exception of short scenes with mother figures and wives, the rest of the women in the film were naked in a hotel room or dancing in the background at the wild pool parties. Yo Yo, a female rapper who worked with Ice Cube after he left N.W.A., was nowhere to be found. Nor are women who worked with Dre later in his career, like Jewell and the Lady of Rage. They both contributed tremendously to the ultimate sound of the classic album The Chronic. What about Ruthless R&B singer-song-writer Michel’le, who at the young age of 17 was singing vocals on World Class Wreckin Cru’s “Turn Off The Lights”? Michel’le and Dr. Dre developed a personal and professional association and he went on to produce her two best-known hits, “No More Lies” and “Something In My Heart.” Both songs reflected their volatile relationship. Then there is Ruthless Records/Comptown Records solo female artist/Eazy E’s protege Tairrie B, the first white female hardcore rapper. A bold blonde at the time who wasn’t afraid to speak her mind, Tairrie B released an album named The Power Of A Woman (how fitting!) and dropped singles like “Murder She Wrote” and “Ruthless Bitch.”

In 1990, at a Grammys party in front of an A-List crowd, Dr. Dre assaulted Tairrie B. This was a year before my assault. In an interview, F. Gary Gray said these were considered “side stories” and not important to the narrative.

If that’s the case, it’s too bad for the movie and it’s too bad for its audience. Straight Outta Compton transforms N.W.A. from the world’s most dangerous rap group to the world’s most diluted rap group. In rap, authenticity matters, and gangsta rap has always pushed boundaries beyond what’s comfortable with hardcore rhymes that are supposed to present accounts of the street’s harsh realities (though N.W.A. shared plenty of fantasies, as well). The biggest problem with Straight Outta Compton is that it ignores several of N.W.A.’s own harsh realities. That’s not gangsta, it’s not personal, it’s just business. Try as they might, too much of N.W.A.’s story ain’t that kinda shit you can sweep under no rug. You know?
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

*ha! i thought it was the Dee Barnes probation but he was on probation for ANOTHER violent incident. LOL

http://articles.philly.com/1994-09-01/living/25839228_1_andre-young-probation-jail-time <-- note, this article from 1994 mentions the Dee Barnes incident though the story at issue has nothing to do w/Dee Barnes. 'caught a pass' though, huh? LOL

oh, and Dre didn't have endorsements back then - in large part b/c his image was so tarnished.

he was a member of a group called NWA that released records about killing prostitutes and hating police?

LOL.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star
Appropriate Behavior
Margaret

but mostly Dee Barnes and his other shenanigans.

and i forgot - Dre did have a St. Ides commercial in the early 90s after The Chronic. and so did Ice Cube. both were former NWA members. St. Ides wanted that villainous imagery/branding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7F5O01Q2Mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YC1r3AIqM

*hands him MPC*

Now do that thing you do...with the thing.

and dre was given a big time pass. once the money came into the picture and the hits were large, then nobody said a word.

dre got over in ways that Ike turner and others never will see period

world class wreckin crew said dre used to beat up "unknown" women too.


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

a black man...beating a black woman...then letting his white employee joke about it...with him.....to the public = FUCK Dr. Dre

long time ago, my ass. he was 35 years old when that em song came out.

Rhymefest said a line about Jill Scott on a song that Jazzy Jeff was producing. Jazzy stopped the track and had Rhymefest change the line out of respect for Jill.

but Dre? according o em's book, Dre fell out his chair laughing


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

I assume some of y'all aren't "off that" (c) SoWhat and might be interested to hear what she has to say about it.

It's interesting to me that she did seem to make peace with Eazy E about the incident before he died.

Also it's disappointing to hear that Ice Cube, the dude who kind of ignited the incident, doesn't want anything to do with her.

http://gawker.com/heres-whats-missing-from-straight-outta-compton-me-and-1724735910

I'm about done with this post because it seems like everything has been said but I would like this post to be archived to document the sometimey-ness of the OKPer's who claim to be pro-women, feminist and are quick to throw around the misogynist label when someone fails to agree with them. The silence of some of y'all is notable and for those who did chime in the defenses y'all resorted to in this posts shows y'all are full shit just like the rest of us.

Miss me with that holier than thou next time.

In the immortal words of Dr. Dre...

(I really wanted to close with the some Dre lyrics which were on point but I couldn't think of anything...oh well).


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star
Appropriate Behavior
Margaret

i decided to let dudes do it to themselves this time

esp because it was still playing out

but frankly this
"y'all can't tell me nothing"
when yeah you are actually correct this one time?

as Jay Smooth says just try to be a better person all the time
keep trying

you acting like you won points
thats not how this works

people are inconsistent across the board
cosby was easy
this shit, as you can see, this is the hard part
thats how entrenched this shit is

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Nah, I don't think so. People still remember even though it's not in the movie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/arts/music/dr-dre-apologizes-to-the-women-ive-hurt.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

For Dr. Dre, this summer was meant to be a victory lap in a successful career. The movie, “Straight Outta Compton,” a biopic about his hip-hop group, N.W.A., topped the box office last week with a $56.1 million opening and was praised for its raw and timely depiction of police harassment against black men. Its quasi-soundtrack, “Compton,” his first album in 16 years, debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard chart. Last year, the music company that Dr. Dre helped establish, was sold to Apple for $3 billion, making him the self-proclaimed “first billionaire in hip-hop.”

But critics have charged that the movie, which was co-produced by Dr. Dre, glosses over N.W.A.’s record of misogyny and ignores allegations, including criminal charges, that Dr. Dre physically abused women. Their ad hoc campaign, conducted mostly online, has managed to shift the focus from his accomplishments to his less pristine past in the often lawless early years of gangster rap.

In a sign that the uproar was threatening not only his reputation but also his business dealings, Dr. Dre, who has previously spoken dismissively or vaguely about the allegations, which are decades old, confronted them on Friday in a statement to The New York Times. While he did not address each allegation individually, he said: “Twenty-five years ago I was a young man drinking too much and in over my head with no real structure in my life. However, none of this is an excuse for what I did. I’ve been married for 19 years and every day I’m working to be a better man for my family, seeking guidance along the way. I’m doing everything I can so I never resemble that man again.”

He added: “I apologize to the women I’ve hurt. I deeply regret what I did and know that it has forever impacted all of our lives.”

Apple, where Dr. Dre, 50, now works as a top consultant, also issued a statement: “Dre has apologized for the mistakes he’s made in the past and he’s said that he’s not the same person that he was 25 years ago. We believe his sincerity and after working with him for a year and a half, we have every reason to believe that he has changed.”

This is the latest case of a celebrity who, partly because of the Internet, has had to face old abuse allegations. And for the accusers, Dr. Dre’s statement may be an acknowledgment of what they said decades ago.

In interviews with The Times this week, the women at the center of the allegations — the hip-hop journalist Dee Barnes; Michel’le, an R&B singer and Dr. Dre’s former girlfriend; and Tairrie B, a onetime labelmate — spoke about the abuse and about how social media had helped them connect and spread their stories.

“I’ve been talking about my abuse for many, many years, but it has not gotten any ears until now,” said Michel’le, who was romantically involved with Dr. Dre from the late-’80s until the mid-’90s. (They have an adult son.)

During that time, she said, he was often physically abusive, hitting her with a closed fist and leaving “black eyes, a cracked rib and scars.” Michel’le said she never pressed charges because, “We don’t get that kind of education in my culture.”


She added, “Opening up and finding out there were other women like me gave me the power to speak up.”

Tairrie B (her real name is Theresa Murphy) said that Dr. Dre punched her twice in the face at a Grammys after-party in 1990 after she recorded a track insulting him.

She connected with Ms. Barnes through Facebook last year. “I said, ‘Hey girl, I think we have something in common, and we’ve never talked about it,’ ” Ms. Murphy said.

Ms. Barnes recalled being brought to tears by that message and a subsequent hourslong phone conversation with Ms. Murphy. Both women were writing memoirs — Ms. Barnes’s is tentatively titled “Music, Myth and Misogyny” — but did not expect to wage a public campaign against Dr. Dre, she said.

“The initial conversation was like group therapy, to heal our wounds,” Ms. Barnes said.

As the Aug. 14 release of “Straight Outta Compton” approached, others started the discussion. A blog post from last year by the rap writer Byron Crawford, titled “Beatings by Dre,” began to circulate again on Twitter and Facebook, while a Gawker post headlined “Remember When Dr. Dre Bashed a Female Journalist’s Face Against a Wall?” was published on July 31 and was viewed nearly 300,000 times. (In format, it mirrored a Gawker article from early 2014: “Who Wants to Remember Bill Cosby’s Multiple Sex-Assault Accusations?”)

At a panel for “Straight Outta Compton” this month, the film’s director, F. Gary Gray, was asked why the film omitted Ms. Barnes’s story, in which Dr. Dre confronted her at a party in 1991 about an N.W.A. segment on her Fox show “Pump It Up!”

According to a statement Ms. Barnes issued at the time, Dr. Dre began punching her in the head and “slamming her face and the right side of her body repeatedly against a wall.” (Charged with assault and battery, he pleaded no contest. He was sentenced to community service and probation, fined $2,500 and ordered to make a domestic violence P.S.A.; a civil suit was settled out of court.)

Mr. Gray said at the panel that the filmmakers had “talked about it at the beginning” — the scene appeared in an early script — but ultimately decided the movie “wasn’t about a lot of side stories.” He added, “You can make five different N.W.A. movies — we made the one we wanted to make.” (Through Universal Studios, Mr. Gray declined to comment.)

Sensing the renewed interest, Ms. Murphy encouraged Ms. Barnes to tell her side. “It’s about finally getting the truth out there,” Ms. Murphy said.

On Tuesday, Ms. Barnes published an essay on Gawker about the film and her assault that was seen more than 1.6 million times. “I suffer from horrific migraines that started only after the attack,” she wrote. “My head does ring and it hurts, exactly in the same spot every time where he smashed my head against the wall.”

She called the movie “revisionist history,” lamenting the women, including Ms. Murphy and Michel’le, who were written out. The movie “wasn’t reality and it wasn’t gangster,” Ms. Barnes said. “Gangster would have been to show everything.”


As a white, female rapper signed to Ruthless Records, N.W.A.’s record label, Ms. Murphy said she had been expected to collaborate with Dr. Dre, but resisted his creative control. “He was very nasty to me constantly,” she said, and so she decided to address his chauvinism on the song “Ruthless Bitch.”

When Dr. Dre said at a crowded party that he’d heard the track, the pair began arguing. “I stood up to him, and I didn’t back down,” Ms. Murphy said. “He kept saying, ‘If you say one more word to me ...” Then, she said, “he punched me right in the mouth and again in the eye.”

While Ms. Murphy did not file a police report — “There’s no excuse, but this was a different time,” she said — a meeting was scheduled the next day with Eazy-E, a founder of N.W.A., and Jerry Heller, N.W.A.’s manager and a founder of Ruthless. “I was told, ‘This is a family business — you’re not pressing charges,” she said. “I was taken care of by Eazy in certain ways to be quiet.” (Mr. Heller did not respond to requests for comment. Eazy-E died in 1995.)

After Ms. Murphy reconnected with Ms. Barnes, “I had a lot of guilt,” she said. “Had I pressed charges, he would have had a strike against him. And maybe Michel’le would have stood up, too. Maybe it would have made him think.”

Since the attack, Ms. Barnes said that she has had trouble finding work in the entertainment industry: “His career continued, where mine dwindled. People side with the money.”

Still, she rejects those who say coming forward again now is opportunistic. “What opportunity?” she said. “Show me the opportunities.”

She added, “They brought up the past” by making the film. “Not me.”

Michel’le agreed. “They told their story,” she said. “I’m telling mine.”

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

"it impacted OUR lives" wtf?
did he name names? or are their too many? did he apologize for joking about it with m&m?

i could go further, but i won't.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

>"it impacted OUR lives" wtf?

Obiviously it impacted all of their lives if he is still apologizing for it. It's probably something that haunts him. Dee Barnes deals with it physically and emotionally and Michele probably deals with it emotionally. So yeah it affected all of their lives.

>did he name names?
What the hell are you talking about? Who else besides Dee Barnes and Michele have you ever heard about?


>did he apologize
for joking about it with m&m?

Did he make the joke or was that Eminem?

>
> i could go further, but i won't.

You shouldn't cause this was stupid. He's still apologetic and you still have a problem with him. Wow you're weird.

>>did he name names?
>What the hell are you talking about? Who else besides Dee
>Barnes and Michele have you ever heard about?
>

annnnnnnd i'm a stop right here

>
>>did he apologize
>for joking about it with m&m?
>

oh yeah. EM was just Dre's employee, on a dre produced song, who needed Dre's permission , on a duet rap with Dre, and in his book said Dre fell out his chair laughing


laughable that you REALLY tried to mount a defense on that one.




"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

>
>>>did he name names?
>>What the hell are you talking about? Who else besides Dee
>>Barnes and Michele have you ever heard about?
>>
>
>annnnnnnd i'm a stop right here

So if i had a fight with someone and I beat them up pretty badly that means that automatically there's other people in the world that I have beaten up that you don't know about? SMH

>>
>>>did he apologize
>>for joking about it with m&m?
>>
>
>oh yeah. EM was just Dre's employee, on a dre produced song,
>who needed Dre's permission , on a duet rap with Dre, and in
>his book said Dre fell out his chair laughing
>

Regardless.... He didn't say it.... what is he apologizing for exactly? It was a laughable line, like WTF? Eminem also talked about killing his ex wife and mom on many occasions should Dre not have let him do that?...

>laughable that you REALLY tried to mount a defense on that
>one.

It's laughable to me that you still have a problem with him... She's mad they didn't put this out there in their movie not with him or with what happened... There's plenty of things that happened during this time that wasn't captured in this long ass 2 and a half hour movie bro.

3 women in the music industry

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

If it really haunted him any more than it's currently just hurting his brand, he could've done something about it looooooong before today.

>If it really haunted him any more than it's currently just
>hurting his brand, he could've done something about it
>looooooong before today.

How do you know how he truly feels? you don't so just leave it at that.

In regards to Michele... I don't think he made a public apology about it... I'm sure he apologized to her personally though and she was taken care of as she has stated to not press charges and was given this direction by Eazy E not Dr. Dre.

For Dee Barnes he has apologized, did probation and cashed out money to her. What more needs to be done? Oh it needed to be in his movie right.

And lastly this isn't hurting his brand... I'm sure he's just tired of hearing about this now that people have found a reason to talk about this 20+ years after the fact.

You do realize Beats by Dre made him a millionaire. Why wasn't anybody talking about this then and boycotting his headphones?

>>If it really haunted him any more than it's currently just
>>hurting his brand, he could've done something about it
>>looooooong before today.
>
>How do you know how he truly feels? you don't so just leave it
>at that.
>
>In regards to Michele... I don't think he made a public
>apology about it... I'm sure he apologized to her personally
>though and she was taken care of as she has stated to not
>press charges and was given this direction by Eazy E not Dr.
>Dre.



How are you gonna tell me that I "don't know how he truly feels" and then 2 sentence later do your own MASSIVE speculation? HOW CAN YOU SAY "I'm sure he apologized to her personally" Ok doggie.



>For Dee Barnes he has apologized, did probation and cashed out
>money to her. What more needs to be done? Oh it needed to be
>in his movie right.
>
>And lastly this isn't hurting his brand... I'm sure he's just
>tired of hearing about this now that people have found a
>reason to talk about this 20+ years after the fact.


You may not give a shit, but plenty of people do. The fact that it's a big story (again) right now hurts his brand. Period.



>You do realize Beats by Dre made him a millionaire. Why wasn't
>anybody talking about this then and boycotting his
>headphones?


Are you serious? Umm... because the headphones weren't a look at his past. The movie explicitly says "Come see what Dre did in the late 80s and early 90s" And no. Music made him a millionaire. Not Beats. Beat may have made him a billionaire.

Think harder before you post.

>>>If it really haunted him any more than it's currently just
>>>hurting his brand, he could've done something about it
>>>looooooong before today.
>>
>>How do you know how he truly feels? you don't so just leave
>it
>>at that.
>>
>>In regards to Michele... I don't think he made a public
>>apology about it... I'm sure he apologized to her
>personally
>>though and she was taken care of as she has stated to not
>>press charges and was given this direction by Eazy E not Dr.
>>Dre.

>
>How are you gonna tell me that I "don't know how he truly
>feels" and then 2 sentence later do your own MASSIVE
>speculation? HOW CAN YOU SAY "I'm sure he apologized to her
>personally" Ok doggie.
>

Ok I'm not sure he apologized to her personally you got me on that. But he has publicly now sooooo... And why do you feel a public apology is needed anyway... Were you the victim? The only people that should be concerned whether or not he has apologized is Dee Barnes and Michele. You and everybody else that have a problem do not matter. There's nothing you can do now to hurt him so that is why I think you guys are wasting your energy on this.



>>For Dee Barnes he has apologized, did probation and cashed
>out
>>money to her. What more needs to be done? Oh it needed to be
>>in his movie right.
>>
>>And lastly this isn't hurting his brand... I'm sure he's
>just
>>tired of hearing about this now that people have found a
>>reason to talk about this 20+ years after the fact.
>
>
>You may not give a shit, but plenty of people do. The fact
>that it's a big story (again) right now hurts his brand.
>Period.

Straight outta Compton did damn near 60 million its first weekend out... Ok

You guys care about what exactly?

>>You do realize Beats by Dre made him a millionaire. Why
>wasn't
>>anybody talking about this then and boycotting his
>>headphones?
>
>
>Are you serious? Umm... because the headphones weren't a look
>at his past. The movie explicitly says "Come see what Dre did
>in the late 80s and early 90s" And no. Music made him a
>millionaire. Not Beats. Beat may have made him a billionaire.

My bad I meant to type billionaire not millionaire. I'm at work answering calls and shit my bad.

You're all in your feelings defending Dre.

>You're all in your feelings defending Dre.

"If it really haunted him any more than it's currently just hurting his brand, he could've done something about it looooooong before today."

^^^ Uh right here... if you're not talking about an apology which is what was done in this article and what we are responding to in the first place, then what the hell are you talking aobout he should have done loooooong before today? Apologize to her personally which may or may not have happened looooooong before today.

Good try tho.

Enjoy your weekend.

You do the same.

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

>Still, she rejects those who say coming forward again now is
>opportunistic. “What opportunity?” she said. “Show me
>the opportunities.”
>
>She added, “They brought up the past” by making the film.
>“Not me.”
>
>Michel’le agreed. “They told their story,” she said.
>“I’m telling mine.”
>


Like how does one stand to gain from bringing up a traumatic event??...

Lol @ at "show me the opportunities" though.

that he already caught heat off of/paid a price for, simply because we live in a brand new age populated by a lot of brand new people.

read my replies... man these people are weird.

exclusion from the film's narrative is people's reaction to Dee Barnes and Michel'le's exclusion, LOL.

if this was a film being done from an OUTSIDERS perspective, then maybe you could critique them for not capturing the full complexities of NWA and their music. but this was done in cahoots w/ Cube, Dre, Eazy's wife, etc...so to critique them for NOT critiquing themselves is wishful thinking by everyone complaining. you REALLY thought Dre was like "don't forget to put in the parts where i was abusive to women!" HA!

that's not a pass for what he did to those women. he was wrong on every count. but the backlash about it not being in the movie is funny to me...like, what did you expect?

Exactly, we're not taking away the fact he did a terrible thing but it's like leave the man alone. He apologized, paid money and did probation over it and they are mad at him because he didn't paint a picture of himself in a negative light in his movie that he produced. Who does that anyway?

>Dre was like "don't forget to
>put in the parts where i was abusive to women!" HA!

Lmao...

>
>Exactly, we're not taking away the fact he did a terrible
>thing but it's like leave the man alone. He apologized, paid
>money and did probation over it and they are mad at him
>because he didn't paint a picture of himself in a negative
>light in his movie that he produced. Who does that anyway?
>
>>Dre was like "don't forget to
>>put in the parts where i was abusive to women!" HA!
>
>Lmao...
>



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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

We already know you not for any type of truth
Have a seat


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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Smh...

that's the dif with the cosby situation.

Now had she pressed charges...

And at the same time-- I mean-- all these women were fucking around with a dude that runs with a crew called "NIGGAZ WITH ATTITUDE" who make music where women are called bitches and hoes routinely and they celebrate killing black men? In light of that what type of person is he supposed to be "behind the scenes"? Can someone explain to me how that type of environment/lifestyle is even appealing? The money? The "Bad Boy" persona? Both?? What a mess. I feel for Dee Barnes-- I bet she really does suffer migraines and shit.

only one had a romantic relationship with him.
one was an artist and the other was an artist/tv show host.


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Dee just got straight up attacked without being involved with him personally at all obviously. The artist chicks and his son's mother-- I mean-- girl why? I just want to know what the allure is despite the clear message that the music gives.

pretty sure you have been to a strip club or 2...

there are a lot of women in the world and some of them love money and power.

also realize that Dr. Dre is a persona... these dudes don't walk around all day acting like what they rap about.

but you know this...

A lot of non violent dudes have money and power too.

things could have been harder on him but i wouldn't call it a pass

this post is chock-full of bullshit