https://www.facebook.com/kayel.ellis/videos/10156094308525567/

And no its not the exact same situation as in SC but it illustrates the fact of the importance of a teacher maintaining order and discipline in the classroom by enforcing rules even for minor offenses such as pulling out a cell phone because once you start letting the "small" things go it can eventually escalate to the a situation like this really fast.

The young lady in SC obviously had some specific unfortunate personal issues going on that obviously everyone involved wasn't aware of at the time. But this is the type of stuff some educators have to deal with in school on a daily basis.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

I can't see myself needing to arrest a kid.

I am an adult.

Even if a kid pulled a weapon on me,
which i doubt they would... because
i am an adult with good sense...

Anyway..

i can't with you ppl.

>I can't see myself needing to arrest a kid.
>
>I am an adult.
>
>Even if a kid pulled a weapon on me,

http://myamericanodyssey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold.png

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Cuz I ain't never seen anyone fight this point so hard

Well, at least you honest bout it.

.

Figured this would be the other one where they threw the trash can at the teacher
You still can't body slam 90lb girls
I pity all teachers/police who deal with these dumb bastards on a regular basis

the importance of not acting like children.

it will also teach them that they're surrounded by unreasonable, unfeeling adults and they should do everything they can to escape so they can rid themselves of such tyranny.

Sometimes its about containing it from getting worse.


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for sure, conservatives among us
have no problem setting kids up for failure by giving them life long arrest records for shit adults should
be able to handle without bringing in a cop.

but some of us have looked at data
and seen that arrest records don't contain the problem.

unless the problem you want to contain is not enough ppl in prision.

arresting kids solves that problem for sure.

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kids are behaving in a manner that presents risk of serious bodily harm to themselves or others.

and not every situation where a kid presents such a risk should result in an arrest.

b/c too often arrests result in a criminal charge being filed. the filing of a criminal charge too often results in a guilty plea. guilty pleas too often result in entries on a person's criminal history that create roadblocks in the future when it comes to securing employment and housing, among other things.

i don't think it's right for a kid to have a negative entry on their criminal history b/c they got into a fight w/another student at school and the other student ended up w/a black eye. or if the student broke a desk during the fight. i think those situations should result in some serious punishment that doesn't involve the criminal justice system at all. that should be handled by the school or the district in-house w/o involving any criminal court - not even the juvenile system.

I'm scared to keep scrolling.

anything else is fuck shit, and you know it.

somehow, rich white kids grow up finefine without cops arresting them.

treat us like that.

we would be fine, too.

this is why i say that ppl shouldn't involve police in a situation unless they want someone to go to jail and be criminally charged and convicted. b/c that's what police do. the notion that police will get involved and straighten out a problem on the scene and then let everyone go is fantasy for the most part. police don't operate that way. prosecutors don't operate that way. at least not w/US.

having these folks up in here trying to defend NOT having that fool arrested.


A+ issue wedging.

This post will do numbers.

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Because there seems to be multiple students in the class with behavioral issues....But the teacher is also special. There also nothing normal about the way she is managing that classroom.



Everybody's got a lil light unda the sun....

You call the SRO when a student becomes a threat to him/herself and/or others. That's standard protocol.

The minute red shirt starting behaving in a threatening manner, you call the SRO. That's 100% the reason why schools have SROs. This is the perfect example of why schools have SROs and when they should be called.

The girl in South Carolina was not a threat to herself or others, so you don't call the SRO. This video exemplifies why the teacher/admin in the South Carolina school calling the SRO was a massive overreaction.

It's both the perfect video to support the need for SROs in schools and to show how the South Carolina school grossly misused theirs.

Thanks for posting.

Art Class teachers aint bout that life.

>Art Class teachers aint bout that life.

basically.

is a math teacher more qualified to speak on this than an english teacher? what about social studies versus history? which would you seek to discredit if they disagree w/you?

of course, if a music teacher agrees w/you they're qualified to speak on this. the same w/a teacher who runs study hall. so that's not the question here.

at what point is a teacher so qualified that their disagreement w/you is unassailable?

oh...and i forgot we also have to consider how long they've taught and where.

so a teacher who's taught for 1 yr in a tiny rural town but agrees w/you is qualified.

but a teacher who's spent 10 yrs teaching in the hood and disagrees w/you is disqualified.

so is a teacher who's taught for 20 yrs in the hood if the teacher disagrees. but a teacher who's spent 40 yrs in the suburbs can speak on this w/o discrediting if they agree w/you. just like a person who subbed over this past summer is qualified if they agree w/you.

that's how it goes, right?

different types of schools.

There are also different types of teachers with different opinions.

Or to break it down in terms you might understand, if you were on trial for murder would you take advice from a traffic attorney?

and teachers of which subjects are qualified to speak on this as long as they agree w/you?

how would you discredit a history teacher who's been in the hood for 15 yrs teaching the most ill-behaved students on the planet where he says he thinks the staff in the SC case handled the situation incorrectly?

>different types of schools.
>

they don't get arrested
for the same types of things
because, reasons.




>There are also different types of teachers with different
>opinions.
>
>Or to break it down in terms you might understand, if you were
>on trial for murder would you take advice from a traffic
>attorney?

Not worth the time/effort.

>
>Or to break it down in terms you might understand, if you were
>on trial for murder would you take advice from a traffic
>attorney?

http://media.giphy.com/media/dMzYa0Zh9DN3a/giphy.gif

yep yep

is that like the worst class in the worst school or an average class in an average school or whatever?


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That is a special needs class. Only 5 children in the room and they acting like that...it isn't normal.

A normal class would have 25 students and 2-3 of them would be undiagnosed/treated special needs, so instead of ALL of their energy directed towards the teacher, they'd be fucking with other students....then the teacher.

I don't want to hear about her special issues or what not...she had barely been in that class and was known to not speak...so it wasn't anything like what you just showed.


That said, I worked in Baltimore city public schools and I have seen everything short of sex in the bathroom.

I have seen a girl all of 5 feet tall swing on a 6 foot 5 inch, 300 pound man. Officers are needed in some schools...but not in the classroom and not like that.

That situation in Chicago is bullshit. The minute a man walks into that room, the kid in the red shirt ain't doing shit.

That's on the administrator. When you have children who have special needs, you better work to address them or you end up with classrooms just like that. It doesn't have to be that way.

the truth

so whats your point

perhaps you are unaware that
arresting a child gives them a LIFELONG arrest record.

it makes it harder for them to get jobs, find housing,
and enter into some careers for YEARS
after the child grows up.

Maybe you just don't know that?

that's gotta be it.

There are restorative justice programs in schools where a child can do in school suspension and some other form of punishment and that will prevent them from having to go through juvenile court.

a prosecutor who wanted my client to plead guilty to a lesser charge though the complainant in his case was in court saying he wanted the case dismissed. she couldn't understand why the client wouldn't just plead guilty to the amended, lesser charge. i said it's b/c he's innocent and so he doesn't want to plead guilty to something he didn't do and have a conviction on his criminal history even if the conviction is for a lesser offense. plus i knew she couldn't prove her case and so the client had no incentive to plead guilty. but the fact that she was puzzled about why the client wouldn't just plead guilty made me chuckle. and it made me sad for her - that she can't understand the impact of a person pleading guilty to a criminal offense or that she didn't care.

she finally dismissed the case, of course.

We should give leeway for kids to make mistakes without suffering long-lasting consequences.

But we should also have authority figures in school above the role of teachers/principles for situations that endanger kids. That doesn't mean they have to press charges or arrest kids. But they should be able to react/respond to dangerous situations. We can't expect teachers to be trained in hand-to-hand combat.

You are talking about long term problems with the criminal justice system that we all know and understand.

What you are not addressing is the short term issue of a student threatening physical violence on a teacher half his size.

You really want to argue that it would be wrong for an SRO or cop to physically detain that kid and put handcuffs on him as he is getting physically violent with that woman?

Arresting him doesn't have to mean he is convicted, or becomes a felon or suffer any sort of long term consequences for his actions.

But what you seem to be advocating is NO consequences for his actions.


>perhaps you are unaware that
>arresting a child gives them a LIFELONG arrest record.
>
>it makes it harder for them to get jobs, find housing,
>and enter into some careers for YEARS
>after the child grows up.
>
>Maybe you just don't know that?
>
>that's gotta be it.


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not just convictions.
arrests.

somehow, white schools manage rabble rousers without giving kids arrests records.

do whatever works there,
but for Black kids.

not complicated.

>Arresting him doesn't have to mean he is convicted, or becomes
>a felon or suffer any sort of long term consequences for his
>actions.

^ too often an arrest results in a criminal charge being filed. the criminal charge results in the person being held in jail on a cash bond for pre-trial detention. the cash bond may be too high for the person or their family to pay. which puts pressure on the person to plead guilty to get out of jail b/c their trial date in the criminal case is several weeks/months away. the guilty plea results in an entry on their criminal history. of course, the sentence as a result of the guilty plea could impose conditions which the person can't or won't meet. which can involve a resentencing in the future - more jail or worse. and, of course, the criminal conviction here can result in an enhanced charge in future cases - where a misdemeanor charge is upgraded to a felony simply b/c of the prior conviction.

we should be more careful b4 we saddle a kid w/all of this ^ just b/c the kid acted out in school. even if the kid has threatened a teacher.

kids being kids.

I think there are way to many non-violent people in jail for non-violent offenses that can be written off as youthful indiscretions that probably don't reflect what type of adult that person can grow to be.

What I saw in that video was a violent bully who needs serious intervention which I wouldn't be mad at if it came in the form of being arrested.

I hope for change for that kid but in the mean time, Fcuk that kid.


>>Arresting him doesn't have to mean he is convicted, or
>becomes
>>a felon or suffer any sort of long term consequences for his
>>actions.
>
>^ too often an arrest results in a criminal charge being
>filed. the criminal charge results in the person being held
>in jail on a cash bond for pre-trial detention. the cash bond
>may be too high for the person or their family to pay. which
>puts pressure on the person to plead guilty to get out of jail
>b/c their trial date in the criminal case is several
>weeks/months away. the guilty plea results in an entry on
>their criminal history. of course, the sentence as a result
>of the guilty plea could impose conditions which the person
>can't or won't meet. which can involve a resentencing in the
>future - more jail or worse. and, of course, the criminal
>conviction here can result in an enhanced charge in future
>cases - where a misdemeanor charge is upgraded to a felony
>simply b/c of the prior conviction.
>
>we should be more careful b4 we saddle a kid w/all of this ^
>just b/c the kid acted out in school. even if the kid has
>threatened a teacher.


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^ that's the problem.

ppl who don't feel like 'fuck that kid' should work w/that kid and find other ways to deal w/him and his bad behavior short of arresting him. we want him arrested b/c we don't want to deal w/him - we want him to disappear and become someone else's problem. that's why we have police - to deal w/problems we don't want to deal with.

but when it comes to kids in school there should be other mechanisms to deal w/bad behavior like the type we're discussing. especially here b/c the kids in this video seem to be in some kind of special education class - they're expected to act out as we see in this video. and so special measures should be taken to address their behavior w/o involving the criminal courts or even the juvenile courts, necessarily.

I am personally of the mind that there are enough kids that want to be helped, that if we devoted available attention to them there still wouldn't be enough to go around. So I personally don't have alot of energy for kids like this...hence "fuck him". Can't save them all.

And I think that unless you are actively doing the things you mention, like working with that kid, then the default of not doing anything is tantamount to saying fuck that kid and fuck that teacher as well because she is the one who has to deal with him.



>^ that's the problem.
>
>ppl who don't feel like 'fuck that kid' should work w/that kid
>and find other ways to deal w/him and his bad behavior short
>of arresting him. we want him arrested b/c we don't want to
>deal w/him - we want him to disappear and become someone
>else's problem. that's why we have police - to deal
>w/problems we don't want to deal with.
>
>but when it comes to kids in school there should be other
>mechanisms to deal w/bad behavior like the type we're
>discussing. especially here b/c the kids in this video seem
>to be in some kind of special education class - they're
>expected to act out as we see in this video. and so special
>measures should be taken to address their behavior w/o
>involving the criminal courts or even the juvenile courts,
>necessarily.


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doesn't mean he should be arrested, imo.

in that situation?

I think teachers or cops should have the power to physically restrain that kid from threatening that teacher which may include arresting as an option.

Hard for me to see how people can see otherwise despite the consequences that it may have on this kid.

Way I see it dude was fcuked a long time ago.



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somehow, they find a way.

why are you not in favor of us getting the same treatment?


>in that situation?
>
>I think teachers or cops should have the power to physically
>restrain that kid from threatening that teacher which may
>include arresting as an option.
>
>Hard for me to see how people can see otherwise despite the
>consequences that it may have on this kid.
>
>Way I see it dude was fcuked a long time ago.
>
>
>
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>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:
>
>Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
>Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
>Ma

and i hope/assume the teacher(s) and other staff regularly assigned to that class have been trained w/methods to address that kind of conduct in a manner that keeps everyone safe including the teacher, staff, the student and other students in the class. i dunno what that method is b/c i haven't been exposed to the training.

>but when it comes to kids in school there should be other
>mechanisms to deal w/bad behavior like the type we're
>discussing.

the mechanisms are parents who beat that ass at home but obviously this isn't happening so that's what you get.

or is that only for white kids?


>>but when it comes to kids in school there should be other
>>mechanisms to deal w/bad behavior like the type we're
>>discussing.
>
>the mechanisms are parents who beat that ass at home but
>obviously this isn't happening so that's what you get.

his ass beat. Unfortunately the teachers can't do that and apparently nobody did it at home so what do you do? Wait until he actually kills somebody then it MIGHT be ok to arrest him at that point.

what is that supposed to do for him?

>what is that supposed to do for him?

>>what is that supposed to do for him?
>


white ppl really are better than us.

http://gawker.com/drunken-mac-and-cheese-tantrum-baby-reportedly-expelled-1735177110



>>>what is that supposed to do for him?
>>
>
>
>white ppl really are better than us.


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i think that's wrong.
you don't.

it's not right that only poor ppl get arrested for bullshit.

Poor Black children catch it the worst.

why are you okay with that?

why, why, why?


>http://gawker.com/drunken-mac-and-cheese-tantrum-baby-reportedly-expelled-1735177110
>
>
>
>>>>what is that supposed to do for him?
>>>
>>
>>
>>white ppl really are better than us.
>
>
>**********
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>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:
>
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>Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
>Ma

minor in possesion citations or arrest for that or something similar.

here's a case where there wer 70 kids cited. probably 5% of that school all in one big swoop.

http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/mom-of-teen-says-police-used-intimidation-in-busting-party/article_9d6b0916-c892-11e4-b66a-0f5a032db8af.html

it's the most well off school in the city too.

Like they did that kid in the video I just posted.

>i think that's wrong.
>you don't.
>
>it's not right that only poor ppl get arrested for bullshit.
>
>Poor Black children catch it the worst.
>
>why are you okay with that?
>
>why, why, why?
>
>
>>http://gawker.com/drunken-mac-and-cheese-tantrum-baby-reportedly-expelled-1735177110
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>what is that supposed to do for him?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>white ppl really are better than us.
>>
>>
>>**********
>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:
>>
>>Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
>>Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
>>Ma
>


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>i think that's wrong.
>you don't.
>
>it's not right that only poor ppl get arrested for bullshit.
>
>Poor Black children catch it the worst.
>
>why are you okay with that?
>
>why, why, why?
>
>


The problem is the rich kid can opt of the public system and get their correction privately and secretly. I don't think calling the cops and arresting more rich white kids has the desired effect if they can still opt out.

I support calling some kind of cop when a kid or teen starts to be physically threatening but I'm generally against punishing them as adults in all but the most extreme of cases.

>The problem is the rich kid can opt of the public system and
>get their correction privately and secretly.


you don't say.
and this wouldn't work for Black kids because, reasons?

okay.

unless you're using "kids/children" in the OKS sense (lol)

Arrest records have life long consequences.

How come white children get disciplined without getting arrested?

Or should black kids just always get punished worse and i am supposed to be fine with it?

and even if so they are still viewable to prosecutors in future cases - they still follow the kid.

i see this pretty often.

if you actually murdered someone and prosecutors had visibility into that case....*shrug*

in some states juvenile records are automatically sealed...but in other states the record is only sealed if the person requests the seal and if the person is eligible and the charge or arrest is the type that can be sealed and/or if the person pays a fee.

and even if the record is sealed the arrest or charge or conviction can still be seen and used by prosecutors as an enhancing factor in future cases. the record is still viewable by law enforcement agencies when the person makes an application for a job in law enforcement. the feds can still see the record in an immigration case.

so even w/the possibility of sealing/expunging the juvenile record the arrest and possible charge still presents a significant risk of dire future consequence for the juvenile arrestee.

as a person with a similar experience (2003 as an adult) who in the decade plus since then has acquired gov. clearance for a project and passed "Fbi level" screening for wall street (DE,PA, NY)
i'm fine with that

scholarships might not be an option.
could affect all kinds of things.


how come you think it's cool to arrest black kids for dumb shit?

and let's be clear.
rich white kids don't get arrested for shit like this.

if you are talking about life long criminals i don't think you have much of an argument since they are in front of judges constantly anyway
but for typical young teens/adults who may mess up ONCE (or twice) in life...nah
do your community service (or worst case misdemeanor sentence), get your record expunged, and live your life like you would if you never saw the inside of a cell

ppl that think otherwise
are riding the coon train.

there are also psychological
consequences to arresting a child.

all the data on the subject says...


ugh.


this is tmi.
cops should treat us like they treat them.

that is all that needs to be said.
let coons disagree for reasons.

>if you are talking about life long criminals i don't think
>you have much of an argument since they are in front of judges
>constantly anyway
>but for typical young teens/adults who may mess up ONCE (or
>twice) in life...nah
>do your community service (or worst case misdemeanor
>sentence), get your record expunged, and live your life like
>you would if you never saw the inside of a cell

the vast majority of these school disturbance/fight type videos i see have no arrest
so the authorities are doing what you want
it's ok to admit that the body slam incident was isolated
that's why we all (minus 2-3 posters) are in an uproar about it
i'm just arguing that this kid being arrested for disturbing the peace/disorderly conduct (or whatever the minor juvenile level charge would be) wouldn't have ruined his life

>the vast majority of these school disturbance/fight type
>videos i see have no arrest
>so the authorities are doing what you want

12K children were arrested last year
for bullshit misdemeanors.

and no, those records did not just go away.

that's why we fought to get a law passed that....




ugh.

why bother.

the copa are doing a bang up job
and are treating black kids fairly.

arresting kids for bullshit is fine.
those kids are not harmed by
the social stigma of an arrest record.


there is no such thing as the school to prison pipeline.

these kids just need an ass whoopin.




Fine.


>it's ok to admit that the body slam incident was isolated
>that's why we all (minus 2-3 posters) are in an uproar about
>it
>i'm just arguing that this kid being arrested for disturbing
>the peace/disorderly conduct (or whatever the minor juvenile
>level charge would be) wouldn't have ruined his life
>
>

seriously doubt that
you probably mean florida had 12k juvenile arrests last year , with some tiny portion of those being class room arrests
i have no problem with police responding to incidents and apprehending suspects

Florida schools are on some bs

i think that's fucked.
You don't.

And some kids become lifelong criminals BECAUSE of their juvie records.

Considering the potential consequences I think we should err on the side of protecting kids' future and avoiding police interaction in school where it can be reasonably avoided. It should be a last resort after other interventions have failed.

Of a juvie record. They had solid parenting, good educational and employment opportunities otherwise, the desire to turn their life around and the juvenile justice system was just keeping them down. Id love to know.

so OF COURSE they need to be arrested as kids.

and those same ones get arrest as adults.

fucking niggers.



you don't see rich white kids getting arrested. And wouldn't you know it,
they have plenty of opportunities as adults.


the police are doing a bang up job!

for stuff they don't arrest rich white kids for.

makes perfect sense.

But if anything, many of them do come from homes where the father is around.

rich white kids do not.
and it's not because rich kids are better behaved.


>But if anything, many of them do come from homes where the
>father is around.


rich parents are not in parents lives aas a general rule.

but keep thinking white ppl are better.

i've represented dozens of clients w/juvenile records where their juvenile offenses have been mentioned to judges by prosecutors during bond hearings to my clients' detriment. i've represented dozens of clients w/juvenile records where their juvenile offenses have been mentioned as aggravating factors at sentencing hearings and during plea negotiations.

but good for you that you got a job. yay!

If it shouldn't be taken into account in sure you can make a good defense for that. But that makes sense if they're in trouble in the law again, while it doesn't while someone's applying for a job. If anything them getting arrested and early treatment and intervention should be a plus before they do something dumb as an adult that will for sure stay on their record.

i think b/c prosecutors and sentencing judges are likely to use a person's juvie record as an aggravating factor in charging and sentencing decisions we should be more careful about creating entries on a person's juvie record.

In the majority of cases where an actual LAW is being broken. Having a cell phone isn't a law. Shoplifting and beating old ladies to a pulp is and require intervention.

Shit still pops up on background checks.

You won't be working in a health care profession most likely.

If asked on an application have you
ever been arrested,
guess what the answer is... For the rest of your life.


Yes.


How is that good?

they have since been dismissed or expunged. i SURE AS SHIT don't answer yes to that question on a job application. i work in the human services field, which means background checks are conducted for every job i've ever had. i manage to get by.

NOW, i'm not advocating arresting children. i agree 100% that kids should be treated like rich white kids when it comes to the law. i also agree that there are times, like sowhat mentioned above, where an arrest is warranted.

easily. there's a process and plenty ppl are either unaware and assume the records are sealed/expunged automatically. or they can't afford to hire a lawyer to do it for them. or they can't pay the fees required. or they fail to complete the process for several other reasons.

There may be more that did something bad as kids, got it expunged and moved on with their lives.

why can't we get the same treatment?
why don't you WANT us to get the same treatment?

>There may be more that did something bad as kids, got it
>expunged and moved on with their lives.

Everywhere forever.
Lots of white kids have mip arrests.
You do your community service or whatever and it doesn't go on your record.
Like 10% of my hs had MIPS.
It's not that serious especially if this is a fluke and some youthful indiscretion.
If you keep fucking up after 18 that's on you.
And there's no reason prosecutors shouldn't take into account you were given previous chances.

they're actually this unfeeling.

>perhaps you are unaware that
>arresting a child gives them a LIFELONG arrest record.
>
>it makes it harder for them to get jobs, find housing,
>and enter into some careers for YEARS
>after the child grows up.
>
>Maybe you just don't know that?
>
>that's gotta be it.

Shit, for that matter your adult records can be sealed or expunged depending on the offense and jurisdiction.

There exists in many jurisdictions a program called pre-trial diversion for juveniles (which in some cases extends all the way to the age of 21). Basically, you get hemmed up on a charge, it's your first offense, the court sets it aside until you complete a probation-like period. If you complete it without any further run-ins with he law it's either expunged from your record or sealed indefinitely.

Shit, you can catch a real case as an adult and have similar shit happen. I've seen cats catch DV cases, drug offenses, etc and because it was their first offense the judge set it aside, gave them some shit to do (i.e. counseling classes), and gave 'em 6 months to a year to stay out of trouble and the charges would be dropped completely.




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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>There exists in many jurisdictions a program called pre-trial
>diversion for juveniles (which in some cases extends all the
>way to the age of 21). Basically, you get hemmed up on a
>charge, it's your first offense, the court sets it aside until
>you complete a probation-like period. If you complete it
>without any further run-ins with he law it's either expunged
>from your record or sealed indefinitely.
>
>Shit, you can catch a real case as an adult and have similar
>shit happen. I've seen cats catch DV cases, drug offenses, etc
>and because it was their first offense the judge set it aside,
>gave them some shit to do (i.e. counseling classes), and gave
>'em 6 months to a year to stay out of trouble and the charges
>would be dropped completely.
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------
>
>"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the
>peace when we were getting laid out?
>Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances?
>Where is the peace then?
>They don't want to call for peace then.

I caught a felony case back when I was 20. I won't go into the specifics, but let's just say I was staring at a few years behind bars. Even the plea deal the prosecutor was offering was still a felony and jail time, just a lesser felony and less jail time.

My lawyer had me placed in pre-trial diversion because this was my first offense. In Detroit they allow you to do this until you're 21. This shit happened with me 6 months before my 21st birthday.

I had to go see a diversion officer every week for the first few months, then gradually they would lengthen the time between visits until I'm was done. I had to stay in this for 1 year during which I had to pay some court fees and either get a job working a minimum of 20hrs a week or enroll in classes at a community college or university. At the time I was already taking classes at a community college and was supposed to return to EMU that January.

I completed the program. They essentially expunged my records. I received my fingerprint card from when I was arrested and got a letter stating my record was expunged.

Fast forward to 2013. I was going through the most extensive background check for a job I've ever had to go through (even my job with a DoD contractor wasn't this thorough, and that was an FBI check). Wayne County was taking the longest to get back to the company doing the check. I called them myself, spoke to a manager in records, and she verified that my shit was gone. She could technically still see the incident, but from their perspective it didn't exist and wasn't available to anyone period.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>>She could technically still see the incident<<

so they looked the other way for you. but they didn't have to. b/c they could still see the incident.

which is part of my point - even a dismissed case doesn't just go away. it's not wiped off a criminal history, necessarily.

i face this all the time.

first we have to talk about what 'dismissal' means.

if the prosecutor decline to prosecute a case and ask the judge to dismiss that's called a nolle prosequi and the person's criminal history will reflect that's what happened. generally prosecutors can decline to prosecute for many reasons - none of which have any bearing on the defendant's guilt or innocence. if a case is dismissed b/c the judge granted a defense motion that's different - it says there was some legal defect in the prosecution that was fatal to the case. that also has no bearing on the defendant's guilt or innocence.

and that is why i regularly see judges and prosecutors use nolle prosequi entries on a defendant's criminal history as aggravating facts at sentencing and in bond hearings and also during plea negotiations. especially multiple 'nolles' for the same offense or involving the same complainant or w/in a short time.

dismissed cases are NOT expunged or sealed. not unless the defendant seeks expungement or sealing and only if the case is eligible for expungement or sealing.

>>>She could technically still see the incident<<
>
>so they looked the other way for you. but they didn't have
>to. b/c they could still see the incident.

It wasn't dismissed either, they tossed the whole thing out, arrest record, fingerpints, mugshot, everything.

The way she explained it was it's only there in her db for clerical reasons. Nobody else had access to it. Which makes sense considering that even several FBI investigations turned up nothing, and them niggas will find everything. One of the school districts my MIL worked for ran FBI checks on all new teachers. They found a conviction on her for petty shoplifting from back in the 50's when she was 17 or 18 and she had to go through the process to have that old ass shit expunged before she could start working for that district.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

That program seems to have ended. If you were able to take advantage of it that's great.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=401855099889936&id=128098500591417

The current Wayne County prosecutor's website makes no mention of expungement when talking about the diversion program. It does say cases are dismissed if the program is completed - unlike what happens in Illinois.

http://www.waynecounty.com/prosecutor/359.htm

Point: expungement of one's criminal record to remove a case where the person was found guilty or plead guilty is not guaranteed and can be cumbersome. Considering this I think we should work to limit kids' exposure to the criminal justice system by avoiding arrest and criminal charges for bad behavior in school except in the most extreme circumstances.

>Shit, for that matter your adult records can be sealed or
>expunged depending on the offense and jurisdiction.

pretty huge risk to take considering when we call the police on a person we don't usually know what's in their criminal history so we don't know if they're eligible to have any conviction expunged (typically a person can only have an entry on their criminal history expunged if they have no convictions). also we don't know what charge a prosecutor is likely to file so we don't know if they'll be able to expunge whatever comes of our calling the police.

>There exists in many jurisdictions a program called pre-trial
>diversion for juveniles (which in some cases extends all the
>way to the age of 21).

we don't know if the jurisdiction at issue has such a program or whether the kid at issue is eligible for the program or whether the kid will be accepted into said program should it exist.

Basically, you get hemmed up on a
>charge, it's your first offense, the court sets it aside until
>you complete a probation-like period. If you complete it
>without any further run-ins with he law it's either expunged
>from your record or sealed indefinitely.

yes and those programs are often fairly difficult to complete as they may require the kid to complete several obligations that can be onerous given the kid's situation. like maybe the parents have to take time off work to drive the kid to community service obligations. or maybe the parent doesn't drive at all. or maybe the community service locations are limited and there's a waiting list. or maybe there are fees assessed and the kid and/or the parents can't afford it. or maybe the kid is assigned an unreasonable probation officer. i can go on and on b/c i have experience w/cases like this and i've seen multiple ways kids and adults fail to complete probation successfully and end up having their sentence revoked.

>Shit, you can catch a real case as an adult and have similar
>shit happen. I've seen cats catch DV cases, drug offenses, etc
>and because it was their first offense the judge set it aside,
>gave them some shit to do (i.e. counseling classes), and gave
>'em 6 months to a year to stay out of trouble and the charges
>would be dropped completely.

that outcome is exceedingly rare. again, i have experience representing hundreds of clients charged w/offenses like the ones you listed and several others. they almost never receive the outcome you mentioned.

all of this is why i keep saying we should use arrests and criminal charges as the last resort when it comes to dealing w/school-related bad behavior in kids. there are times when kids should be arrested by police for school-related bad behavior but those times are also exceedingly rare IMO and i worry that we're sending kids through the criminal justice system for school-related bad behavior more often than we should. instead i'd like to see us use other methods that can teach kids the lessons they need and correct their behavior w/o exposing them to risk of such serious consequence. i prefer if schools function as a safe space for kids to be themselves - even when they behave badly - w/o facing real-world consequences except in extreme circumstances.

>that outcome is exceedingly rare. again, i have experience
>representing hundreds of clients charged w/offenses like the
>ones you listed and several others. they almost never receive
>the outcome you mentioned.

I sat in court on a fucked up ticket a few years ago. Because of the type of ticket it's considered a criminal misdemeanor out here where anywhere else it probably wouldn't be. I had to sit in a criminal court instead of traffic court.

Damned near every case ahead of mine had the judge sounding like a robot. Everyone took the same deal: Enter a guilty plea now, the judge sets that plea aside for 6 months (in two cases a year), you take counseling classes, stay out of trouble for whatever length of time, and when it's over you come back to court and everything is dismissed.

Not only did I hear this over and over, I saw people coming back completing the deal getting their cases dismissed.

One Mexican cat did get arrested on the spot. He was supposed to stay out of the Gila casino and stay off alcohol. He got arrested in that very casino on a drunk/disorderly charge. Bailiff walked behind him and cuffed him immediately.




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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

and the vast majority of low level crimes/first offense get these deals
that and plea bargains are the main way courts get thru the ton of dockets they have to process

>that and plea bargains are the main way courts get thru the
>ton of dockets they have to process
>


do they not have that question
on job applications or housing applications around your way?

cool.

Unless it's the FBI they're not pulling your juvenile record.

Most places aren't even pulling adult records from every state.

and why is it okay with you rich white kids to have more opportunities than niggers, just because they don't get arreated for bullshit?

why are we okay with closing doors?

niggas can't want to join the fbi?
okay, cool.

>>that and plea bargains are the main way courts get thru the
>>ton of dockets they have to process
>>
>
>
>do they not have that question
>on job applications or housing applications around your way?
>
>cool.
I've never once seen this question asked on a job application or anything. I've successfully gone through DoE Q clearance (equivalent to a DoD Top Secret, but dealing with nukes instead of military/defense). I've had several FBI background investigations done. This shit was never an issue.

what the fuck kinda place are you living where they ask shit like this?

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

and no, Florida is not the only ass backwards place that does this.

In fact, there is a nation wide movement of ppl trying to end the practice.

Meanwhile, folks in this post are like... fuck it. Arrest the kids.
They should know better.

>I've never once seen this question asked on a job application
>or anything. I've successfully gone through DoE Q clearance
>(equivalent to a DoD Top Secret, but dealing with nukes
>instead of military/defense). I've had several FBI background
>investigations done. This shit was never an issue.

The FBI says they consider an applicant's criminal history when reviewing an employment application:

https://www.fbi.gov/news/podcasts/inside/background-checks-for-new-applicants.mp3/view

Mr. Gant: “The issues that we’re looking at for suitability involve candor issues; individual’s use and/or abuse of intoxicants; >>their criminal behavior<<; personal conduct; financial considerations; and employment histories. As it relates to security issues, and we utilize trying to verify a person’s date and place of birth; their citizenship status. We check FBI files and other agency checks and we also verify education, employment, organizations that a person belongs to. We check their references and associates; their relatives; associates and roommates; check their marital status and then try to also assess their associations in their neighborhoods, trying to find out if this person is a true and loyal citizen of the United States.”

https://www.fbijobs.gov/are-you-suitable

Employment Disqualifiers
There are specific elements that will automatically disqualify job candidates for employment with the FBI. The FBI Employment Disqualifiers are:

Non U.S. citizenship
>>Conviction of a felony<<
Use of illegal drugs in violation of the FBI Employment Drug Policy
Default of a student loan (insured by the U.S. Government)
Failure of an FBI-administered urinalysis drug test
Failure to register with the Selective Service System (for males only)

Please note that if you are disqualified by any of the above tests, you are not suitable for employment with the FBI. All of these disqualifiers are extensively researched during the FBI Background Investigation Process. Please make sure you can meet FBI employment requirements and pass all disqualifiers before you apply for an FBI position.

Part of the process that I described being witness to in court required you to plead guilty to a charge, the judge sets aside that guilty plea for x number of months and the defendant must stay out of trouble, do some sort of counseling, or community service. Once completed successfully the charges are dismissed.

Mike Jackson's non-reading ass comes back with:
"have you ever entered a plea of guilty or no contest for a criminal case...

do they not have that question on job applications or housing applications around your way?

cool."

Which means either he didn't really read my response or he lacks the ability comprehend what I wrote.

If you complete the deal, the case is dismissed. The guilty plea is withdrawn and everything is thrown out. The guilty plea is never officially entered and never touches your criminal history.

Somehow Mike Jackson doesn't understand how this works.

So, let's say you have a DV case that was dismissed in this manner, you have nothing to worry about when it's time to do an FBI check.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>Mike Jackson's non-reading ass comes back with:
>"have you ever entered a plea of guilty or no contest for a
>criminal case...
>
>do they not have that question on job applications or housing
>applications around your way?
>
>cool."

if the ppl you described are going to answer this ^ question honestly they have to say 'yes' b/c they DID plead guilty in a criminal case. and that case is NOT expunged from their record just b/c it was dismissed as part of a diversion program.

when i applied for admission to the Bar i was asked that question. the Bar examiners wanted to know if i'd be honest more than they cared about what's in my criminal history. if i'd said 'no' even though i had plead guilty in a criminal case that was sent to a diversion program i'd have been lying and that would've caused me problems b/c the Bar examiners would see that case on my criminal history.

>If you complete the deal, the case is dismissed. The guilty
>plea is withdrawn and everything is thrown out. The guilty
>plea is never officially entered and never touches your
>criminal history.

i dunno that to be the case b/c i regularly see my client's criminal histories which include entries for dismissed cases.

>Somehow Mike Jackson doesn't understand how this works.
>
>So, let's say you have a DV case that was dismissed in this
>manner, you have nothing to worry about when it's time to do
>an FBI check.

naw b/c the FBI will see that the person was arrested and charged w/domestic battery. and if the record has been expunged the fedz won't be able to see the outcome of the case - even if it was favorable. and the court clerks can't verify the favorable outcome b/c the record has been expunged or sealed. so the FBI will assume the worst, most likely. at least this is what ICE does w/deportation cases. which is why i encourage clients NOT TO have their records expunged if the fedz are going to review their criminal history.

>Damned near every case ahead of mine had the judge sounding
>like a robot. Everyone took the same deal: Enter a guilty plea
>now, the judge sets that plea aside for 6 months (in two cases
>a year), you take counseling classes, stay out of trouble for
>whatever length of time, and when it's over you come back to
>court and everything is dismissed.

in my jurisdiction this ^ is what ppl THINK happens when they plead guilty to an offense and are sentenced to court supervision. in reality the guilty plea is taken and entered and if the terms of the supervision are met by the termination date the case is closed but NOT dismissed. the case WILL show up on the person's criminal history forever unless/until they have it expunged if the case is eligible for expungement or sealing. the person's criminal history will show they were charged w/___ (possibly amended from the original charge if that's what happened) and that they were sentenced to a term of court supervision and the case terminated w/all conditions satisfied. that doesn't add up to a conviction and ppl who know what they're looking at will understand that. but, again, the case is NOT dismissed and it will show up on a person's criminal history. several times per week i have to explain this to ppl - that supervision sentences DO NOT RESULT IN DISMISSAL OF THE CASE.

here in my jurisdiction i have successfully worked out agreements w/the state where they'll dismiss my client's case after a given period of time if the client meets certain obligations. that never involves the client pleading guilty to any offense. that outcome is exceedingly rare and that's the outcome you described earlier. the guilty plea/supervision sentence is more common and it DOES NOT result in dismissal of the case and the case will show up on a person's criminal history unless/until they have it expunged. and not every supervision case is eligible for expungement.

Because, as I said, the judge was like a robot. He explained it as "if you complete the terms of this agreement the case will be dismissed and all charges will be dropped"

It's being recorded by the stenographer and whatever audio recording setup they have there. The judge is telling us this is what will happen.

I'm sure it's going to be different across the country, so what we get here is likely to be wildly different elsewhere.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

That child would have that record as well as I because I would have gotten a call from my wife and I would have stopped whatever I was doing and EXPLODED into that school and there would be scraps of kids every in that class. Sorry. They'd of been like a large linebacker of a man destroyed a class of kids today.

one of the students, special education, individual educational plan, was selling weed on campus. he didn't get arrested cuz school staff argued the student didn't understand the consequences. student had prior arrests as a juvie...

but you want all students to be treated the same...

This was super hard to watch. So many issues going on that lead to that type deal.

but way to point out the outliers to this shit.

YOU DON'T SAY, LOL.

White ppl are better behaved.

we get it.

And if I really felt and believed what you claim why would I bring up an outlier like Mark Wahlberg who disproves that idea?

What next? Go right to name calling?

So everyone should just be awful pop-rappers then?

shit...when I was in Middle school a dude shot our school officer...i'll never forget that day...


but that shit wit the lil girl is apples n oranges

With a chair/ table too. Wow


Kid needs an ass whooping more than any SRO can give him

ass-whoopings don't cure mental illness. AFAIK at least.

could a black kid have ADHD?
aspergers?
Depression?


a need for medication and/ or therapy?



nope.


Give negros a referal.
Then suspend them.
Then call the cops.

they need proper beatings, that's all.

But that kid is clearly in the wrong class if it's just that little old lady in there


Shd be in an ED class

i'm not sure but it looks like one.

better trained staff?
more engaging activities?


could black kids benefit from that?


no.

beat them and arrest them.
they'll learn...

b/c they don't know how to act. they don't appreciate shit b/c they don't have fathers in the home so they're out of control and disrespectful and plus there's all of those hormones in the violent video rap music they wear down below their knee caps and so we must lock them up and beat them mercilessly b/c that's the way the world is for black kids and they need to learn while they're young that they have no safe space to be themselves. and we can't teach them that if we treat them as well as we treat white kids.

with the White and Asian kids. LOL

>with the White and Asian kids.


I can't take ppl that take IQ tests seriously seriously.

You probably think it's a measure of potential, right.


Where do you ppl come from?

that part.

If she's either:
(a) not trained to deal with kids with mental disabilities
(b) a substitute

I'm inclined to think she's a substitute. In which case, the school still should be properly prepared if they're throwing an untrained sub in with a kid who they know has fits of anger.

And if she felt the child was a danger to himself and/or others, it would've been appropriate to call the SRO. Most SROs don't bodyslam non-violent kids to the ground. Most are well-trained and have learned to restrain a potentially violent child in a safe manner.

there are plenty of students here diagnosed with a mental health disorder, including adhd (especially).

i would go as far as to argue that black children are MORE likely to be diagnosed with a mental health condition or disorder, but in some cases there are more risk factors present, with poverty being a huge one. and no, i'm not saying all black kids live in poverty, but in my school district most of them do and poverty is a huge risk factor for mental health issues.

> poverty is a huge risk factor for
>mental health issues.

this is a dangerous assertion imo

and just to be clear, it's not saying that if you live in poverty you will have a mental health disorder, it is a risk factor. there are also protective factors that assist with preventing mental health disorders. but poverty is a risk factor with nearly every mental health disorder.

And living with others under stress from being poor. Also the lead poisoning rates in poor black children is ridiculous and that affects brain development, iq and behavior. That's going to vary from city by city but it's an issue.

They suggest that black kids are underdiagnosed with ADHD and learning disabilities. The 'why' is up for debate. But the numbers are in. White kids are more likely to get diagnosed with ADHD than any other racial demographic. And it's a wide discrepancy.

the leniency that whites do around issues with mental illness

that's just a fact.

Our mental health issues go undiagnosed.

We get sent to the principal
then suspended
then arrested.

it starts as early as pre-school,
where we get more time outs than other folks.

we don't get treatment-
we get the book thrown at us.

and those special education classes
for us are often poorly staffed, underfunded, and misdiagnosis is every where.

when that fails,
we get the cops called on us.


then ppl blame a culture of poverty,
unwed mothers, and the cycle repeats.


>there are plenty of students here diagnosed with a mental
>health disorder, including adhd (especially).
>
>i would go as far as to argue that black children are MORE
>likely to be diagnosed with a mental health condition or
>disorder, but in some cases there are more risk factors
>present, with poverty being a huge one. and no, i'm not
>saying all black kids live in poverty, but in my school
>district most of them do and poverty is a huge risk factor for
>mental health issues.

i can't say i fully agree with everything you typed. i do agree that black kids' misbehavior is more criminalized than others.

but, that's more difficult to determine in *my* particular school/district being as there's only like 5 white kids in my whole building. but overall, yes i agree with you. especially the point about treating everyone like rich white kids when it comes to police involvement. i couldn't agree with you more there.

i mean who wants their kid being drug dependent to get thru life because he's acting up. I think a lot of kids get misdiagnosed and as a society we just give them a label and pills and send them on their way.


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mental health treatment can and does work.

no, they are not equal problems.

>i mean who wants their kid being drug dependent to get thru
>life because he's acting up. I think a lot of kids get
>misdiagnosed and as a society we just give them a label and
>pills and send them on their way.
>
>
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>
>TWITTER : Heinz21st
>
>IG : H_N_Z

and SRO shouldn't run into the classroom and Terry Tate homeboy.

SRO's are not only needed, but they are needed to be capable and competent. Assault and abuse are a pretty cut and dry thing. Teacher can press charges on the Yute herself if there is no other discourse. But there is so much that needs to happen to remedy everything in THIS video beyond just dropping an overseer into the classroom with a license to ill.

or at least armed SROs

IRT the SC incident

what lesson do you think that girl learned?

respect for authority or respect for violence?

but they mostly arrest niggers now.

ironic, ain't it.
white person goes crazy,
And as a result, more niggers get arrested.

I mean, if MFers are going to endorse Officer Slam

let's use that resource wisely

the please turnoff your cellphone advert isn't working at the movies

SLAM! DUH DUH,DUH

DUH DUH,DUH

>I mean, if MFers are going to endorse Officer Slam
>
>let's use that resource wisely
>
>the please turnoff your cellphone advert isn't working at the
>movies
>
>SLAM! DUH DUH,DUH
>
>DUH DUH,DUH



probably won't stop ppl from texting in movies either.

>or at least armed SROs
>
>IRT the SC incident
>
>what lesson do you think that girl learned?

when you're told to go to the principle's office you should probably go.

how come they can't treat black kids like that?


>when you're told to go to the principle's office you should
>probably go.

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it's better than arresting children
without treatment.

damn.

because all I *see* in regards to mental health are therapy sessions and meds

meds ain't nothing but another high cept with a purpose

and therapy...is ...idk...works for some I guess


but how do we know that it overall works? especially on 'us'

like other than sessions and prescriptions are there any other forms of mental health treatment

arresting kids is the wrong answer.
especially if only black kids get arrested, but rich white kids have
ppl trying to help them.

that much we agree on.

Why would there be any difference when it comes to us?

that's wrong, wouldn't you agree?

Rich white kids probably get arrested far less frequently and if arrested the consequences are quickly nullified or not applied at all and that's wrong. I tend to think a blanket statement of "they do not get arrested" isn't entirely true.

So generally speaking I think we're in agreement.

they fuck with poor ppl.
mostly poor ppl of color, but that is changing. it's all poor ppl in jail.

the question is... why are ppl okay with this system?

why are you?

To say they don't get arrested is not entirely true that's all I'm taking issue with (and to be honest I assume you're using hyperbole) which I get.

If we're having a serious convo I think the more truth the better is all.

even though rich white kids
get disciplined without involving law enforcement.

that's fucked up.

Rich white kids do get arrested and what's fucked up is that the law is biased when they are e.g. Lindsay Lohan, Justin Bieber, etc.

So it's more true that they get arrested than it is that they don't get arrested unless we're exaggerating for whatever reasons.

Glad we agree now.

for 'us'

So different that a black child would possibly need to be approached differently than say -- a white child?

if I say I gotta headache... and I don't like taking meds
I will take a nap as my cure


if I say I gotta headache....and I don't mind taking meds
I will take pills as my cure

both work

few of our folks are open and receptive to mental health meds and treatment...there folks are often the opposite

my question is based more around the effectiveness of mental health treatment...I don't know if our current model 'works' and aint feel like googling a bunch of stats

I got mentally ill (white)co-workers and I question the effectiveness of their meds everyday

so ...for kids...black kids...my question is do the meds/therapy work....I only know one little boy on meds and it doesn't seem too... but I'm not naïve enough to use him as the anecdote


what are alternative treatments if any besides meds/therapy

because only people can help or heal people. My personal feeling is that a lot of kids just need someone in their life to care about them. Love them even and our world is one where such a thing is scant.

There may be more crude oil on the earth than there is love between humans.

This stigma in our community keeps us from seeking treatment for our mental health issues.

YES mental health treatment works on Black ppl. We are humans with the same anatomy and body chemistry as anyone else.

Don't make me call the Drop Squad for you.

lawsuits and shit.

We had two cops with their own office in my school. IIRC all the other high schools around Tha D had 'em as well.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

2) is this a SpEd class/do these students have IEPs?

-boy in the red shirt should be suspended for at least a week; possibly expelled for "punking" the teacher.
-girl in the black jacket should be suspended for at least 3 days for talking aggressively to the teacher.

if those kids have IEPs, student reprimand will be less severe. poor teacher, she did nothing to escalate the students' behavior.

And the reason I think it's non-productive because if your child was acting up in a manner like this, or any of the million other ways that white kids can get away with it but black kids can't, the first thing you would tell them is GFOHWTBS. Life isn't fair, and you better understand how the world is versus how the world should be because not understanding the former can get you arrested, killed, etc.

I am all for changing the world to make it more fair and instilling in kids their responsibility to do so, but parents have a responsibility to kids to make sure they now how NOT to get themselves killed or arrested.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

when do we talk about Officer Slam's parents

or lack of home training?

surely, not hitting women and/or children is a basic lesson that should be covered at home, yes?

why is there no criticism of parenting that produces an Officer Slam?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

i am glad he is dead.
he taught me real good.

those punches to the chest taught me a valuable lesson it took me years to unlearn-


trust nobody, especially not those that say they are in your corner.

it is sad that so many feel that blacks cannot be disciplined without
using slavery influenced abuse techniques.

and what's more, we feel that kids
NEED to be abused by law enforcement
because they can't learn any other way.

you are disgusting.

I am not justifying abuse. I am not even saying that black kids need physical disciplining.

I am saying that a parent does a disservice to their child if they don't prepare them for all the abusive people in the world.

If a parent fills their head with the notion that the world is fair and they should expect to get away with the same thing them white kids are doing, they are setting their kids up to get hurt.




>i am glad he is dead.
>he taught me real good.
>
>those punches to the chest taught me a valuable lesson it took
>me years to unlearn-
>
>
>trust nobody, especially not those that say they are in your
>corner.
>
>it is sad that so many feel that blacks cannot be disciplined
>without
>using slavery influenced abuse techniques.
>
>and what's more, we feel that kids
>NEED to be abused by law enforcement
>because they can't learn any other way.
>
>you are disgusting.
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

>I am not justifying abuse. I am not even saying that black
>kids need physical disciplining.
>

sure sounds like it.

like when you said, they need to get their ass whooped.


>I am saying that a parent does a disservice to their child if
>they don't prepare them for all the abusive people in the
>world.
>
>If a parent fills their head with the notion that the world is
>fair and they should expect to get away with the same thing
>them white kids are doing, they are setting their kids up to
>get hurt.
>
>
>
>
>>i am glad he is dead.
>>he taught me real good.
>>
>>those punches to the chest taught me a valuable lesson it
>took
>>me years to unlearn-
>>
>>
>>trust nobody, especially not those that say they are in your
>>corner.
>>
>>it is sad that so many feel that blacks cannot be
>disciplined
>>without
>>using slavery influenced abuse techniques.
>>
>>and what's more, we feel that kids
>>NEED to be abused by law enforcement
>>because they can't learn any other way.
>>
>>you are disgusting.
>>
>>
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:
>
>Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
>Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
>Ma

with disciplining him or making him a better person. I acknowledge that an ass whipping probably won't help him be a better person.

I just think anyone who treats a little old lady like that deserves an ass whipping, black or white, young or old.


>>I am not justifying abuse. I am not even saying that black
>>kids need physical disciplining.
>>
>
>sure sounds like it.
>
>like when you said, they need to get their ass whooped.
>
>
>>I am saying that a parent does a disservice to their child
>if
>>they don't prepare them for all the abusive people in the
>>world.
>>
>>If a parent fills their head with the notion that the world
>is
>>fair and they should expect to get away with the same thing
>>them white kids are doing, they are setting their kids up to
>>get hurt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>i am glad he is dead.
>>>he taught me real good.
>>>
>>>those punches to the chest taught me a valuable lesson it
>>took
>>>me years to unlearn-
>>>
>>>
>>>trust nobody, especially not those that say they are in
>your
>>>corner.
>>>
>>>it is sad that so many feel that blacks cannot be
>>disciplined
>>>without
>>>using slavery influenced abuse techniques.
>>>
>>>and what's more, we feel that kids
>>>NEED to be abused by law enforcement
>>>because they can't learn any other way.
>>>
>>>you are disgusting.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>**********
>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:
>>
>>Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
>>Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
>>Ma
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

>And the reason I think it's non-productive because if your
>child was acting up in a manner like this, or any of the
>million other ways that white kids can get away with it but
>black kids can't, the first thing you would tell them is
>GFOHWTBS.

I doubt that. Strongly. I think a lot of folks on that side of the fence in here would make all manner of excuses and downplay this in a big way just as they are now.

ways in which it is unfair.

Agitate on her behalf.

This ninja here was out of pocket and you don't have to defend this kid's actions and argue that a white kid could get away with this sort of behavior to make the case that SRO and police are mistreating black youth.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

different opinion on the SC incident.

lol

and the teacher was a sub. Notice how she didn't know any of their names, and she obviously wasn't trained to handle them. The admin should face some kind of punishment for placing her with those students. The young man and the other students should be placed in In School Suspension for several days. The prescence of a cop would not have helped this situation. Most cops have no understanding of how to help emotionally disturbed adults, let alone kids.

I imagine if kids were acting like that in my wife's class.

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are you against that?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

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My best friend had a couple of classes like that (he has taught from 5th grade to HS over a 20 year period in a NJ public school). He laid down the law Day One that madness would not be tolerated, and he said 95% of the trouble in class was squashed with in two weeks. That teacher let the inmates run the asylum. Yes my friend is male, but he isn't physically imposing. He also has a school disciplinarian that generally backs the teachers...and I know that is a big issue in many schools. Because of that, yes S.R.O. are needed,but his behavior wasn't.

That said, my friend and I also question that this video is real.

cell phone?

He showed me the video and we talked about its content...I guess he posted what I said here...no big deal.

As to your question, I have one basic rule concerning behavior. You may pay attention or not, your choice....but in no way will you distract from the other students that choose to learn. Disrupt my class and you are shown the door. Like he said, my school has the support of the teachers in the majority of disciplinary matters. That hasn't always been the case here, and my job was definitely much more difficult then. Having an administration that is willing to take the heat from parents instead of caving in to them makes a world of difference.

That's why I couldn't be a teacher. I don't have the patience for that kind of bull. I would've been putting hands and feet on that dude.



Since 1976

https://www.facebook.com/mediatakeout/videos/1137801709585108/

but i don't think police involvement would have been necessary. he did need to be removed from class, though. that behavior is unacceptable and everyone else was feeding off it.

this video going viral now is such excellent timing...

But we had bad kids in Europe too. Kids that fought teachers.Kids that trashed the classroom or the school,thieves...etc No police was ever called though.An educator usually had control of his students.To me it should be part of the attribute of a teacher. Someone who cannot allow themselves to be intimidated by a child. School staff was always in the measure to handle unruly kids themselves. I've seen kids put in a straight jacket before but I have never seen the police at my school ever.Those kids ended up taking some kind of counseling, getting suspended or expelled at the very worse.

A school role includes teaching discipline and to do that you gotta be a hard ass and take no shit from a bunch of teenagers who will try you( Because that's what teenagers do). Once you get police to do your job for you.You're no longer a teacher. You're a snitch.