trying teach old dogs new tricks?
there are plenty of sites where you can get intellectually honest dialogue from ppl with opposing views
here's a thread about basic income (finland is implementing it in '16)
with intelligent well thought out arguments from ppl on both sides
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10553008
very little snark and almost no personal insults or ad hominen attacks
that was the first thing on the internet that i read this morning
went from that to sowhat calling ppl assclowns so i def feel you
but you should already know what it is by now, and bounce if it bothers you that much

come here because it's mostly "us" and because sometimes the snark and condescension is funny/amusing
that about it