There's no space allocated for the flow & growth of a conversation. There's only...get it "right" in the first reply or else....That's not dialogue. That's not how this thing is supposed to work. It doesn't work, hence the diminishing member numbers and quality of posts.

I try.
Y'all should too.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

to it.


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

that okp do'nt know how to dialogue.

it happens here and there, but the problem isn't widespread.

you just gotta pay closer attention to what's being typed.

...

what will you make of this wasteful post?

every single topic that's posted with some degree of sincerity behind it that ultimately turns into a shit show because people don't know how to carry on a dialogue. A lot of your posts (despite how they're plated) have a ton of merit and potential...but spiral out of control....

>that okp do'nt know how to dialogue.
>
>it happens here and there, but the problem isn't widespread.

Nah, it's widespread yo. The numbers don't lie. The pace of the boards don't lie.

>you just gotta pay closer attention to what's being typed.
>
>...
>
>what will you make of this wasteful post?

Move's on you playboy...make it. *finger guns*

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

despite them holding 'merit and potential.'

i have my theories. do you mind sharing yours?

>despite them holding 'merit and potential.'
>
>i have my theories. do you mind sharing yours?

matter rather than the presenter.....
let me back up...

posts that have honest & sincere subject matter not pointed & baiting....

and at least go from there....they'd be great. I mean...some end up great anyways once you filter out the B.S.



"Get ready..for your blessing..."

'Dialogue' is not carte blanche to make stupid statements unchallenged.

>'Dialogue' is not carte blanche to make stupid statements
>unchallenged.

Where it falters is when there is no space allocated for a statement that you might not agree with to be accepted as a valid point.
Who defines "stupid"? If you believe that any point that you don't agree with is "stupid", then you just might be part of the problem.


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

If I make a post insulting you, should I expect reasonable nuanced arguments ?
Honestly most of the extreme responses are to inflammatory positions or inflammatory posters.
Lot's of great discussions were and still happen here , I've disagreed with a lot of people and even changed my mind occasionally.

>If I make a post insulting you, should I expect reasonable
>nuanced arguments ?

Not sure how to answer this one. If an insulting post is made off jump?...hells no...just K.I.M. is my general move. I might reply to constructive dialogue later on down the thread....

>Honestly most of the extreme responses are to inflammatory
>positions or inflammatory posters.

Sometimes....

>Lot's of great discussions were and still happen here , I've
>disagreed with a lot of people and even changed my mind
>occasionally.

They do. But in many occasions it just ends up being a matter of the dominant thought drowning out all else.


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

>'Dialogue' is not carte blanche to make stupid statements
>unchallenged.
>

or factually incorrect statements

https://youtu.be/cpPABLW6F_A

She said something really dumb. Worthy of getting checked. But the overall tone of her email was conciliatory. Wonder if it was worth her getting ousted for.

**********
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Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

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Ma

trying teach old dogs new tricks?
there are plenty of sites where you can get intellectually honest dialogue from ppl with opposing views
here's a thread about basic income (finland is implementing it in '16)
with intelligent well thought out arguments from ppl on both sides
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10553008
very little snark and almost no personal insults or ad hominen attacks
that was the first thing on the internet that i read this morning
went from that to sowhat calling ppl assclowns so i def feel you
but you should already know what it is by now, and bounce if it bothers you that much

come here because it's mostly "us" and because sometimes the snark and condescension is funny/amusing
that about it

>trying teach old dogs new tricks?
>there are plenty of sites where you can get intellectually
>honest dialogue from ppl with opposing views
>here's a thread about basic income (finland is implementing it
>in '16)
>with intelligent well thought out arguments from ppl on both
>sides
>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10553008
>very little snark and almost no personal insults or ad hominen
>attacks
>places like that exist on the internet, just have to find them
>
>
>come here because it's most "us" and because sometimes the
>snark and condescension is funny/amusing

It's amusing. It's always been amusing. There used to be balance though.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

>come here because it's mostly "us" and because sometimes the
>snark and condescension is funny/amusing
>that about it

you gotta realize some people won't catch the edit or will frame the convo by the responded to the original post

I'm here mostly for the jokes and snark tho...

if I see some good info on here I apply it in real life...

people will argue against their own stance as we have seen these last few days, it's mostly about arguing with the name and not the substance.

>people will argue against their own stance as we have seen
>these last few days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_honesty

Watching folks twist themselves in knots to avoid compromising their narrative just killed any enthusiasm for participation. You know what recent post I'm referring to.

>that was the first thing on the internet that i read this morning
went from that to sowhat calling ppl assclowns so i def feel you

OKP has, like much of the "social" Internet, has become a place where groupthink is taking over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

Fuck it... it is what it is.

its really not that big of a deal. You do more damage by arguing a point that is clearly false.

I think everything really stems from that.

that link i posted above has 200+ replies of real points being made
most of the plat threads here are mostly from a handful of posters going back and forth over minutiae
positioning the person they are debating with for a gotcha trap
doing that in OKS is one thing
but at this stage i don't really see the value in doing that over real issues

see Shockzilla in the Apple store post. He was the picture of maturity in realizing his error, admitting to it and not attacking anyone for pointing it out

people need to follow that example

d

It actually discourages intellectual honesty. I've changed my stance on a reply that I admittedly hadn't given that much thought to, and the clowns partied.

I hope I wasn't in that clown car

That clown parade always goes lomer if you stick to the wrong tho

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

intellectual dishonesty plus a bit of over the top SNARK.
.
.
.

nor was i trying to "trap" anybody.
i will cop to doing that on occassion.

i am asking a Black message board
about the FEELINGS they have towards cops.

that is all.
there is no right or wrong answer for that.

i want everybody's answer, even those ppl that i have called
conservative.

i want to know what emotions other Black ppl here feel towards cops.



personally, i feel rage, resentment, and a desire to fight back
against cops that fuck with Black ppl for little to no reason.
i don't think they should have the right to use violence against
me just because i disobey their orders. especially for some
minor ass shit that i know they don't bother white folks for.


of course, i don't walk around expressing these feelings towards cops... because, who is trying to get shot or whatever.

but the emotion is there.


that is the dialouge i was looking for.
i didn't snark nobody in that post.

but the ones centered around police brutality, injustice, etc are generally the ones that inspired it.

>nor was i trying to "trap" anybody.
>i will cop to doing that on occassion.
>
>i am asking a Black message board
>about the FEELINGS they have towards cops.
>
>that is all.
>there is no right or wrong answer for that.

>i want everybody's answer, even those ppl that i have called
>conservative.
>
>i want to know what emotions other Black ppl here feel towards
>cops.
>
>
>
>personally, i feel rage, resentment, and a desire to fight
>back
>against cops that fuck with Black ppl for little to no
>reason.
>i don't think they should have the right to use violence
>against
>me just because i disobey their orders. especially for some
>minor ass shit that i know they don't bother white folks for.
>
>
>
>of course, i don't walk around expressing these feelings
>towards cops... because, who is trying to get shot or
>whatever.
>
>but the emotion is there.
>
>
>that is the dialouge i was looking for.
>i didn't snark nobody in that post.


^^put this in that post fam. For real. This isn't a spin off at all. Didn't mean to make it seem that way.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

>but the ones centered around police brutality, injustice, etc
>are generally the ones that inspired it.
>


because as i see it, those in power stay in power
by making everything a "debate."

"yeah, it was wrong for the cops to shoot that Black person,
but lets look at both sides. this kid had an unprofessional facebook profile. or he might have stolen some cigars. or he shouldn't have been selling loose cigarettes. or whatever."


the fact that "we" (rubs skin) are debating about
Black on Black crime and kids sagging their pants in a conversation
that started about a cop shooting an unarmed Black person
is a travesty.


because it's a way to get us to avoid talking about
the fact that Black ppl, for all intents and purposes,
live under a police state, and the penalty for non-compliance
could be extreme violence at the hands of law enforcement.



anything that shifts the conversation AWAY from that is a dangerous dialouge.

so yeah, i'll ridicule and use ad hominems and condescend in those posts. because that is the tactic that "they" use against us
whenever we bring up a legit grievance.


they trivialize it, deny it, attack the tactics we use to make our point... do ANYTHING to avoid talking about the fact that
a cop killed an unarmed Black person. Again.

the "dialouge" seems like a diversionary tactic,
and it's dangerous because it leads to many ppl feeling
that maybe Black kids just deserve the treatment they get from cops because they are just bad.

inferior.

no.

i don't think that's a dialouge we need to have or even entertain.


that's why i post that way.
i doubt i'll stop.

Yes some people are assholes and not worth typing to but a lot of good points get lost in the sarcasm and snark.
The people who type ridiculous responses are not the only people reading a post.
My point is, it's not just dismissive to the person its directed to but other readers as well.

and that's why i wish the class clowns and everyone who's here just to snark and be a dick would go away. or i wish there were fewer of them or that they posted less often. i go w/the ridicule route trying my best to shut them the fuck up and it works at times but i agree it can have a negative impact on dialogue.

for the record I enjoy your 'sincere' posts, regardless of subject matter and you and the other gay posters who posted about their everyday life helped change my world view drastically.
I don't think that would have happened if everyone was snarking like crazy.
Then again maybe this is a different place now.

i agree - the place might be different now and i dunno that those posts would be received the same way. i think in part b/c of my history and b/c of the nature of this place now that more ppl would line up to snark and joke and derail the conversation(s) and they might drown out the more level-headed, sane, sincere voices.

even the serious will clown at times. It could depend on the topic or what that person is feeling that day.

so to a reader when someone you(sowhat) considers a clown makes an interesting point, and you dismiss it with snark bc of who the poster is, it makes you look like the crazy one that can't have a conversation or the one who doesn't have a point so they are just gonna derail. And whatever your underlying point under the snark was gets lost.

im okay with sowhat having his tantrums.

we all should be given the room to have tantrums.

why can't we do both, again?

like, almost everyday you prove it.

i don't think i do what you've said but if so then yeah, i guess.

with a common goal and desire though... And this is one of the few forums where that kinda stuff should be on the table and fleshed out.

Otherwise we're all just preaching to the choir.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

Part of it is being tired of dealing with assholes but some of the best posters on here are damn near unreadable now.
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i only brought up your original reply in response to spm's needless snark in that post directed at the OP. i understood and acknowledged that you later changed your answer - my point in response to spm's bullshit was that a couple folks had answered 'no' to a question he claimed had an obvious answer of 'yes'.

this is the intellectual dishonest stuff ppl are complaining about
the "bullsh*t snarky" question i asked: "who doesn't resent unfair treatment?"
0_0

this is more a clarification for who ever may take your reply seriously
more so then a reply to you, since your explanation exemplifies the point of the OP here

which is why i said 'a couple of ppl'.

blah blah blah.

and your reply over there typified the point in this OP as many of your posts do. you're a master at throwing stones and hiding your hand.

00's and we haven't figured out how to turn back.

Where snark is heavy it's impossible to have real dialogue.

Half the people snarking in plat posts are really intelligent and could have great dialogue if they decided to. But folks don't look at OKP as a place to do that, anymore.

i can't disagree, really.
i will cop to getting frustrated pretty easily these days,
mostly because i come to okp because there is stuff
that we really should be talking about...

and so many of the replies sound like the stuff
i came to okp to avoid.

kinda like a safe space from the common narrative associated to
most things.


i am pretty level headed in real life,
and i make my points in conversation.

but when folks start snarking me HERE for points that i
don't feel like i should have to dance around, it gets beyond old.

like... everything ain't a joke.

i love okp when it's all jokes.
but a post about Black ppl getting murdered ain't the time
for devil's advocate just for shits and giggles.

it feels like some posters are trivializing important shit
just for the fuck of it.

it's an ugly thing to do.


i'm glad to see some old faces around nowadays.
it makes it easier to ignore bullshit.


>Half the people snarking in plat posts are really intelligent
>and could have great dialogue if they decided to. But folks
>don't look at OKP as a place to do that, anymore.

On one hand, I enjoy alot of the class clowns here. But then, when I want to really talk about stuff, I want all that to stop so we can really talk.

I hate that it seems we can't do both, anymore.

...as someone who is pretty much objectively outside all the hoopla
peering in, I can attest to every one of us being accountable for the
direction this board has taken. Scapegoating one poster isn't accurate
and more importantly, say he stopped posting - would the issues being
raised in this post be addressed? Nope.

Real talk: if dialogue is what we're after let's have at it and make
the effort by chilling with the blaming, justifications, and excuses.

put he has stated plenty of times he wants most of us to stop posting.

that's all I will say about that

Some don't care whether it's positive, neutral or negative attention.

I'm just saying I see his name thrown around like he's the catalyst
to these petty spats when that really isn't the case.

cause only his opinion matters in any conversation on OKP

...when folks talk outside their necks and say some borderline
personal shit that has no merit on the convo (like reducing someone's
entire position to being a byproduct of their sexuality OR arriving at a conclusion
about someone's world view based solely off their appearance)
Nuckleheads shouldn't act brand new when they get clapped at.

Reactionary responses to foolishness on here is arguably a futile endeavor
and possibly foolish too but at least it's not as lame as instigating shit.

further
this isnt about someone getting personal
and getting clapped back

this (as the OP suggests)
is about natural, OPEN dialogue between adults being snuffed out by the childish antics of those that cannot express their opinions without name calling by taking different opinions personal.

its counter productive to what we all want.

whats more
people dont even understand the difference between a troll, someone playing devils advocate, and a different opinion.

far too often every different opinion gets lumped in with being a troll

if what a troll says upsets you to the point of lashing out
you're just as bad as that troll for feeding into it

maybe they arent trolling
maybe you're just too sensitive

and nobody is stopping you from expressing your views.

you use whatever tactics you see fit
to make your points.

we do the same thing.

it is what it is.

you should take a bow

...the next time you charge SoWhat or Mike Jackson with whatever it
is you're charging them with ( since its apparently not reactionary
like I suspect it is) take note of the conversation that preceded
whatever is they're doing that's the issue?

its their reaction to an opinion they dont agree with

>its their reaction to an opinion they dont agree with


ppl write stuff when they disagree sometimes.

what do you expect ppl that disagree with you to do?

in an effort to get your point across?

do tell.

>in an effort to get your point across?
>
>do tell.


politicians do it.
advertisers do it.
pundits do it.

admittedly, it can be grating.
but yeah... it is a tactic that
ppl use. sometimes, quite effectively.

The examples I listed above are just as dismissive as what seasonedvet
seems to be taking issue with you guys. Ya'll ain't taking things
personally by clapping back when your form of clapping back is ridicule,
snark, and trolling. It's giving folks a taste of their own medicine and it's
weird that this isn't blatantly obvious to folks crying for discourse
after talking shit or cosigning those who do.

I could be wrong about it all, but that's how I've seen this here being
played out.

but you two was too busy jumping around sharing candy and shit to listen

FOH fool
that bridge is burnt with me

both you motherfuckers can kiss my entire ass

this is the first post where we
talk about this shit for real, without the snark.

level 1: it's not the same as it was - no shit, Im not who I was in 1999, 2004, or even 2013. the world changes

level 2: people who hate their lives make everyone else suffer along with them via negativity and trolling - that element definitely exists, but it's the internet

level 3: generally miserable people who hate posting here yet they're still posting here - I dont get it myself, maybe it's a habit they cant break

I dont take the internet very serious

I agree in general but I would've worded things a lil different

in hopes of making themselves happier by making others miserable.

3 seems to be people who complain about how wack the boards are but in every post every day.

which is why I find a lot of the characters here funny and hypocritical

the do the EXACT same shit they be cryin about

add in some mental health issues and people who remind them of all those who 'wronged em' and voila

Misery Enterprises, llc

bc i can't fathom the idea of personally getting upset bc of what someone posted on a message board but i know it happens.

Level 3 is bananas but people are like that.

def agree with this tho

>I dont take the internet very serious

It's sad, but you kinda gotta accept that this is how it is. Sometimes kills me when I see someone state a sincere thought without trying to be an asshole and other folks that talk about how much they don't like "snark" but yet snark the shit out of damn near everyone.

It's the internet though, I've grown to expect it at this point.


Sometimes I'll see a post and want to write a long reply, then I watch all people being dog piled on for not going along with the groupthink and I'm like nah not even worth the words typed.

things up.

it's not a good narrative - because you think people who have fun online, at the expense of others, are sad and lonely, and that's just not the case.

it makes you seem disconnected, or more simply - wrong, when you make observations like that.

your disconnection makes me less likely to validate your position on things.

i'm not sure if that's fair to you, though.

what do you think?

do you care?

and why you always calling me a piece of shit?

mood. Granted, i never troll to make someone legit upset or anything. Sheeeit, i wouldn't even call it trolling. just having fun. Could see why others consider it trolling tho

i don't even put ppl like sowhat or OE in that box yet
cause at least they have obvious agendas etc
the ppl i'm thinking of i don't even know what purpose their negativity serves beyond putting some one else down

if what they reveal about themselves is true, they def. all follow a certain archetype
which i find interesting

that seems like an impossible thing to know.

issue(s)

ppl with power exercise power because it's better to be powerful than powerless.

would you rather he a cop or the kid they are arresting for throwing an eraser?

would the cop ever trade positions with the kid because his issues are so profound?

i doubt it.

power gives you advantages.
not recognizing that is...


weird.

Bullying qualifies imo.

the power to dominate a thread?

It may seem trivial but from a lot of people's perspective the result
of being on the receiving end of that behavior is pretty impactful.
Folks seeing the impact they've made on others have to feel some
sense of power in it, no?

Actually, scratch that- don't see the benefit in naming names if folks reading know what's referring to them and what isn't.

Put it this way, folks hollering about capes being worn by people isn't just because they were defending intangible concepts like
gender inequality, a lot of instances were in defense of posters, actual Ok players too. Even tho I didn't necessarily need it, I've
been the beneficiary of that type of kindness in the past on here as well.

Things can and have gotten hella ugly on here when we've allowed it to.

they can just be ignored

and i don't see any correlation between having power and having a need to make others miserable in order to keep it
that's narcissism
which has a medical classification and....underlying causes

i suppose it is possible for power to be shared, in a near utopia situation, but as far as i can tell, the reason ppl seek power
is because power has tangible benefits,
and you can make life better for you and your ppl
while making somebody else's life worse.

if a group is powerless, they will be exploited by the ppl in power until they build some power.


and if history is any indication, nobody gives up power willingly.

the gay civil rights movement is the only time i can think of
where previously disenfranchised ppl got rights without
some kind of war or bloodshed.

american colonies got free of Great Britian using violence.
slavery was instituted and eradicated using violence.
the police and the CIA used violence against Black ppl during the Civil Rights movement,

and on and on and on.

if you don't see it, i don't know how you don't.


>and i don't see any correlation between having power and
>having a need to make others miserable in order to keep it
>that's narcissism
>which has a medical classification and....underlying causes

>... you think people who have "fun online, at the expense of others"
>are sad and lonely, and that's just not the case.

I don't have any issues with you DZ and generally enjoy reading what you have to say,
then again...you say some pretty off the cuff shit to people occasionally that
ain't worth reading imo and if they were directed towards me I probably wouldn't
feel so lackadaisical about.

I agree it's probably wrong to assume you're miserable, in fact you
strike me as downright jolly in your vids. Also, to your credit when
folks call you an asshole your responses oftentimes exhibit both snark
and accountability for what you said initially.

I think when you DON'T do that your posts run into problems.

>I agree it's probably wrong to assume you're miserable, in
>fact you
>strike me as downright jolly in your vids. Also, to your
>credit when
> folks call you an asshole your responses oftentimes exhibit
>both snark
>and accountability for what you said initially.
>
>I think when you DON'T do that your posts run into problems.

and thank you for this response. it's very accurate.

i deliberately try to take a bit of accountability for things so im really glad you notice - there are plenty people that think im a horrible human being, and it makes me sad, on a specific level.

sad - because i know there's so much more that they are misinterpreting, on and offline, in their environment. They could enjoy this world so much more, if only they'd get over themselves and realize im actually a friendly ass mutha fucka. and that sometimes, they're wrong about stuff.

>and thank you for this response.

the human condition is complicated.
don't nobody feel one way all the time. or even most times.

and the only person that knows how someone is feeling is
the person feeling it.

so i don't get that diss when ppl use it, ever.

(hypothetically) if a person comes online everyday trying to fuck the next person's day up, what would you assume about them?

but there are plenty of maladjusted people that are offended in the process.

I'm supposed to type unnaturally so they can be more comfortable?

>I'm supposed to type unnaturally so they can be more
>comfortable?

but if you being you is something well adjusted people are turned off by, that sounds like a personal issue

you included.

this sounds like trying to decide who is miserable and who is not.
i don't get it.

i think everybody everywhere is just doing them.
we all get in where we fit in.

it don't make much sense to try to figure out who is living life right.

especially for typing 'normally.'

It's such a jarring experience.

>(hypothetically) if a person comes online everyday trying to
>fuck the next person's day up, what would you assume about
>them?


but i am sure they would say the same about me,
so what does that matter?

someone gets a kick out of making others mad

sure they're an asshole

is it logical to assume they're suffering within?

we are all suffering, in the Buddhist sense.

Life is insufficent.
Things fade, we grow attached to ppl and things we can't keep.

Suffering is just something humans navigate.

I dunno who is suffering the most.
I can't gauge another's suffering.

But i think that we like to imagine the ppl that hurt us only do it because they suffer more inside.

I can't clap to that rationale anymore.

If somebody is hurting you,
you stop them.

assuming they are suffering
maintains the status quo.

opression should be met with resistance, not existential sympathy


>someone gets a kick out of making others mad
>
>sure they're an asshole
>
>is it logical to assume they're suffering within?

some of us work on it within, some make others suffer as a result

I think this is a gross oversimplification of what's going on here, there and everywhere.

I won't begin to act like I know the whole story, but this ain't it.

Shit cannot be that serious. Then again I was shocked when I found out folk really be inboxing mods to delete post they dont like. That shit is still baffling to me.

then the mod comes to the post.

does a lousy job of due-diligence, and then decides that the accused is guilty.

it's bullshit.

...

not you though, cyren. me and you are buddies.

hey buddy, when you gonna unblock me from twitter??

That shit be so random but I be cracking up. And if that is really going on then that's just sad. It's probably what happened to all the funny niggas that used to keep this place popping. I'm surprised they ain't got to you yet.

>things up.
>
>it's not a good narrative - because you think people who have
>fun online, at the expense of others, are sad and lonely, and
>that's just not the case.

sad, lonely/awkward and not well adjusted, two sides of the same coin


>it makes you seem disconnected, or more simply - wrong, when
>you make observations like that.

okay

>your disconnection makes me less likely to validate your
>position on things.

yay

>i'm not sure if that's fair to you, though.

who cares

>what do you think?

who cares

>do you care?

I dont

>and why you always calling me a piece of shit?

you're imagining things

despicable. deplorable. repulsive.

you've typed one of those.

it'd be tight of you didn't mean any of it.

did you mean any of it?

>despicable. deplorable. repulsive.
>
>you've typed one of those.
>
>it'd be tight of you didn't mean any of it.
>
>did you mean any of it?

I'm sure you'll try again though

on youtube.

your goofy-ass was doing reviews for the new Lays potato chip flavors and i knew you were a gone-er, immediately.

...

i walked away just now because i want to this post, specifically, to remain pure.

we're really 'talking about it', finally.

and your flirting is a definite sign that you don't mind bringing shenanigans into an otherwise very mature post.

you the bamma, once again.

now and forever.

The mac n cheese flavor was some bullshit. Shit tasted just like the regular cheddar cheese joints. The gyro was trash. Only ones really popping was the biscuits and gravy.

and it cant be true...

I refuse to believe it

hopefully life gets better for you

no snark but haven't you left several times
i remember a couple of farewell threads from you
and yet NERL
i think the vast majority of ppl still here fall under level 3
minus being the being miserable part

>level 3: generally miserable people who hate posting here yet
>they're still posting here - I dont get it myself, maybe it's
>a habit they cant break
>

2015 this is just somewhere I type

but yes I've been in my feelings on here when I was younger

And how many times you gonna resurface after declaring ur permanent exit?

shit is wild...

if you think posting here makes me miserable in 2015, Im not sure what to tell you

there are decent conversations here, but many of these niggas are bored losers looking for any opportunity to jump in and get a shot off

i like reading some of yalls thoughts on subject matter. its why i decided to join (about 15 year too late it sounds like)
people get hurt/apathetic/vindictive/whatever. and its natural to want to respond in kind.

i don't think wild responses will end, but i think everyone once in a while a little "oh yeah i was def in the wrong in that post" works.

then there are those who will just continue to troll. to try to derail. i was a lurker in the pete/bartek/#### days, banning them (continuously) seemed to work ok. they always come back but at least there's relative peace for a while

#### posts were always funny to me cuz it was always on some "I'm great/yall not/get on my level" and the arrogance and delusion was really funny to me.

now its not so funny cuz it seems he had real issues.

my point is, its funny to to sometimes have extreme characters. something about a few of the recent ones aren't as funny tho. they are more antagonistic, offensive, and hurtful, it seems.

... but some people show up to a post to pick fights and talk down to others. I can't wrap my head around the concept of logging on to repeatedly attack, harass, and stalk another poster. Sometimes it comes across like people are trying to win brownie points or kudos. These people, they, are agenda driven useless condescending Troglobites of the world and want attention I guess.

The blatant trolls like the dude talked military tactics in the Aurora post are out of line. As are the people that trolled tragedies.

I don't know if I was the one to come up with that phrase. Its basically any person who has an agenda and no matter what they are sticking to that agenda. This could be on any topic from feminism to police brutality to sexual abuse.

I've seen better back and forth debates on Reddit and 4Chan than here.

The hardliners here have zero interest in dialogue. There is no room for anything other than parroting each other and whatever blog-driven "talking points" they may have along with trying to be more hardline than their peers.


What I find most interesting, however, is some of those very same hardliners today were on the opposite side of some of these issues not too long ago (i.e. street holler/harassment).

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

how you grandstanding and then shooting holes in your stance a day later just because the sexes are reversed?

All while screaming for equality?

Not too long ago "certain posters" didn't think the street holler was a bad thing, even going so far as asking the same questions that those who don't see it as a big deal have asked.

Today those "certain posters" are vehemently against it and you're an asshole for doing it.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

I get that it upsets you.

It'd be nicer if you told the truth why, but that would be off brand for you.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Nobody referenced you.
Nobody spelled out the letters "rjcc" in this thread.
Unless you have a guilty conscience about something, there was no reason for you to even reply to me.

Whatever perceived beef you have here either address it with me in PM's one-on-one or shut the fuck up here and keep it moving.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

problem is a bunch of butthurtedness and people taking things overly personally...

feeling like they know each other and taking every criticism as a personal attack.

sometimes things are, but you don't have this on other forums.

but your getting huffy over some past shit - a person having held a different in the opinion of the past - is an example of this history problem that's specific to okp.

>problem is a bunch of butthurtedness and people taking things
>overly personally...
>
>feeling like they know each other and taking every criticism
>as a personal attack.
>
>sometimes things are, but you don't have this on other forums.
>
>
>but your getting huffy over some past shit - a person having
>held a different in the opinion of the past - is an example
>of this history problem that's specific to okp.

Without going into specifics:

Today you hold position A. You argue for it, see no problem with it, participate in long threads about it and hold fast to that position.

Tomorrow you hold position B. Your arguments are that a family member, close friend, person in your immediate community was affected by it therefore you're against it. But these events preceded your previous position historically, ergo said family member had been affected by it before you made your post supporting position A.

To me it seems that if you hold a position one day and give a reason for it as being a traumatic event that affected either yourself or a loved one, you can't possibly have held the polar opposite position in good conscience.


Give an example:

Today: "I see no problem with wage inequality"
Tomorrow: "Wage inequality is terrible and you're a terrible person for supporting it. My sister has been on the same job for 20 years and watched her salary barely go up while males that are in the same position often start with higher salaries"

So... today you don't see an issue with it even though it currently affects someone you love but tomorrow you argue against it using that same person as an example?

Nah b.

or it's not. i don't care about the past.

on other forums you can just start where you are.

>or it's not. i don't care about the past.
>
>on other forums you can just start where you are.

Because I've seen it time and time again where a longstanding poster has been called out when their stance has flip flopped. I'm on enough forums all over the place where this happens repeatedly; OKP is not an anomaly with this.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

...million places to post now.

lol

It occurs amongst any group of people. We need to pick and choose who to have a dialogue with and not take others perspective personal.

what you got?

and while you're at it, archive some of my old shit, too.

it's the right thing to do.

...

im really proud of you guys in here. everybody but sowhat.

he's decided to show up as a uninterested diva.

we need you to take the mask off, it makes sense to do that in here.

I test the waters with a reply and see how they go from there. If they can't handle it I just KIM and don't take it personal.

hi rjcc and atruehead

I dont have accountability issues but I didnt go at anyone's neck.