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180672, Man, some of that late 80's, early 90's dancehall has aged terribly Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 10:36 AM How did we like this shit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6bVTYRh-w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFjcNxIELjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqCZBgsl9tA
180673, Completely disagree. That's the era of DH I can listen to nonstop. Posted by Teknontheou, Thu Dec-03-15 10:41 AM And I'm not West Indian, nor did I know about much of that stuff at the time, outside of the few Shabba and Patra songs that crossed over into Black mainstream radio. This stuff today I can only stomach for about 10 - 15 minutes before I need to turn it off. And I'm mad you put Life Is What You Make It up as a song that's aged poorly. That song is still great.
180674, "life is what you make it" is is the first dancehall song I ever liked Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 10:43 AM I remember staying up late to listen to Red Alert play that shit. I hate it now.
180675, I'm sayin Posted by infin8, Thu Dec-03-15 10:45 AM I had my Belizean homegirl bring back some 'dancehall' CDs when she went to Jamaica.... this new $hit is the equivalent of Chris Brown, Omarion, etc.... TURRIBLE....It's like our terrible so-called RnB. Gimme some Mad Cobra/Geto Boyz RIGHT NOW.
180676, Second this Posted by Lil Rabies, Thu Dec-03-15 02:22 PM You dissing the boggling era? I scooped a few Patras back then.
180677, Completely agree! Posted by adg87, Fri Dec-04-15 02:25 AM 90's dancehall is eons better than the crap out today. Especially when you start getting deep into it. Some of those riddims?!! The Nicky riddim, Bookshelf, Showtime?? Just timeless!
180678, +1 Posted by J305, Sat Dec-05-15 01:53 AM
180679, lol the "ghetto red hot" hiphpo remix was much much better Posted by guru0509, Thu Dec-03-15 10:41 AM never was a shabba ranks fan... some of that early mr. vegas hurts my head though
180680, RE: Man, some of that late 80's, early 90's dancehall has aged terribly Posted by double 0, Thu Dec-03-15 10:42 AM ummm because salaam remi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Eyh10gHSE and... on a sound system the bass on these songs shits on every 808 around..
180681, Without Dem Bow, we would not have Reggaeton though Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Dec-03-15 10:43 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQqwea8ZSbk #thankyoubasedshabba
180682, nah, it still goes. especially at a rooftop party in the summer Posted by Big Kuntry, Thu Dec-03-15 10:43 AM
180683, It's like 90's hip-hop Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 10:44 AM the classics go, but some of the old jams are dated and sad.
180684, the ones you posted though still got something to them... Posted by Big Kuntry, Thu Dec-03-15 10:48 AM i was at a party last weekend ol boy went into a zone wit Patra & Lady Saw, every youngin there was catchin the ghost
180685, them shits was terrible from jump Posted by infin8, Thu Dec-03-15 10:44 AM How you not gon' post the OTHER Ghetto Red Hot?! LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5p7G-ou31s #BlokBlokBlok this probly aint no better. LOL
180686, Sleng Teng was 86 btw Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Dec-03-15 10:47 AM we are not counting that era obviously right
180687, Sleng Teng is still great Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 10:50 AM
180688, Sleng Teng isn't Dancehall Posted by Selassie I God, Thu Dec-03-15 10:50 AM
180689, what is it? Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Dec-03-15 10:52 AM
180690, I guess you could argue that that baseline is dub Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 10:52 AM
180691, yeah. I guess it doesn't fit the genre entirely Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Dec-03-15 10:53 AM
180692, the songs that endure tend lean more closely to dub Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:01 AM
180693, ^^ Posted by SoWhat, Thu Dec-03-15 11:50 AM
180694, reggae (though it did get played in the dancehall) Posted by Selassie I God, Thu Dec-03-15 11:43 AM my definition: Dancehall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQajQrky08o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c5-J59it7Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUuGVu_JDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY3KeCz-gYU Reggae https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAMT16tYO34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd7IUw_0okw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCipNRBb0lU
180695, got you Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Dec-03-15 12:11 PM some electronic reggae kind of blurs the line a little
180696, Agreed Posted by Selassie I God, Thu Dec-03-15 12:50 PM
180697, Engadget just posted this great article about sleng teng Posted by luminous, Sat Dec-05-15 12:36 AM http://www.engadget.com/2015/12/04/casio-and-the-sleng-teng-riddim/
180698, Yeah, Batty Wash is MUUUUCH better...SMH Posted by Selassie I God, Thu Dec-03-15 10:53 AM .
180699, smh Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Dec-03-15 10:54 AM
180700, your first example is Supercat?!?! FOH! Posted by gumz, Thu Dec-03-15 11:03 AM
180701, you like THAT version of Ghetto Red Hot, right today? Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:05 AM
180702, yes, if it came on in a club i'm running to the dancefloor Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Dec-03-15 11:19 AM
180703, Supercat was my shit...so yes Posted by gumz, Thu Dec-03-15 11:52 AM in fact...you got me jamming out to this shit RIGHT NAH!
180704, nah bruh. that shit will still kick a party into immediate overdrive. Posted by mikediggz, Thu Dec-03-15 11:14 AM
180705, a party of old niggas with nostalgic connections to those songs Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:16 AM
180706, you say it like its a bad thing...lol Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Dec-03-15 11:21 AM it's better than an old nigga running to the dance floor cause future is on trying to front like he is 25
180707, RIGHT!!!! Posted by ThaAnthology, Thu Dec-03-15 11:25 AM Yo... this board ain't just the 20s famz.
180708, RE: a party of old niggas with nostalgic connections to those songs Posted by double 0, Thu Dec-03-15 11:23 AM This is actually wrong.... I've been spinning more reggae lately.. better part of a year... basically classics but shit these kids shouldnt know... but I been killin cats going from Biebz - "Sorry" or ML - "Lean On" to "Murder She Wrote"... THANKS DIPLO
180709, Sorry and Murder She Wrote still go, BUT Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:33 AM Sorry is dub, and the Murder She Wrote riddim (or shal I say the Bam Bam riddim) is closer to dub too.
180710, anything w/the Stalag Riddim will move me. Posted by SoWhat, Thu Dec-03-15 11:39 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1kmHIYv2Y Ring the Alarm Bam Bam Murder She Wrote et al http://www.riddimguide.com/tunedb/riddim_Stalag/sortby_year/
180711, that's my all-time favorite riddim Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:44 AM
180712, mine too. Posted by SoWhat, Thu Dec-03-15 11:47 AM i was in the barbershop a couple weeks ago where they always have the radio tuned to some station that plays nothing but Dancehall (it's run by Jamaicans and feels like an In Living Color skit b/c the guys are like entirely stereotypical Jamaica, mon) and the DJ played a Stalag Riddim mix that went on for like 15 minutes. i thought was gonna lose my mind trying not to dance or nod my head to the music while i was in the chair having my hair cut.
180713, SAME Posted by astralblak, Thu Dec-03-15 11:21 PM .
180714, That Stalag will never, ever get old Posted by spenzalii, Fri Dec-04-15 07:49 PM I'll listen to that when I'm 80
180715, RE: Sorry and Murder She Wrote still go, BUT Posted by double 0, Thu Dec-03-15 01:23 PM Dub is only 80 bpms or so... anything 90 and up is dancehall
180716, yo bruh where you spin at in LA? Posted by astralblak, Thu Dec-03-15 11:20 PM .
180717, RE: yo bruh where you spin at in LA? Posted by double 0, Fri Dec-04-15 01:03 PM Lock & Key & Virgil are the residencies..... Standard Roof, No Vacancy & Chateau Marmont every so often
180718, i'm assuming you do the Virgil on Friday Posted by astralblak, Sat Dec-05-15 01:01 AM I go to each randomly, never caught you spin. but word, I'm sure I will soon. form what you post about what you spin, it's what I look for
180719, word! gotta check your set at the standard Posted by rawsouthpaw, Mon Dec-07-15 09:57 PM i live walking distance from the little temple... i mean the virgil. tough building a consistent vibe since the ownership change it seems.
180720, id much rather attend a party with an evening of 80s-90s dancehall Posted by mikediggz, Thu Dec-03-15 11:37 AM as opposed to an evening of music by future and other undancable shit these niggas make these days smh. just out of curiosity how old are u bro?
180721, Old enough to listen to "Life is What You Make it" on Red Alert Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:38 AM when it was new.
180722, yeah but were u 5 years old when u were listening? Posted by mikediggz, Thu Dec-03-15 11:40 AM that aint really sayin shit homey
180723, Freshman year, Bx Science Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:48 AM
180724, shut up Posted by teefiveten, Thu Dec-03-15 11:15 AM .
180725, lol Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Dec-03-15 12:15 PM
180726, some, yes. Posted by SoWhat, Thu Dec-03-15 11:30 AM of course, some of it is still the bomb. but i agree that some of it has aged terribly.
180727, If you're not AT LEAST in your mid to late 30's you're opinion... Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-03-15 11:44 AM of that era of music is kind of irrelevant. >How did we like this shit? so exactly what "we" are you referring to? >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6bVTYRh-w > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFjcNxIELjQ > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqCZBgsl9tA > >
180728, still trying to understand dancehall period Posted by soken, Thu Dec-03-15 11:44 AM
180729, Some of any genre of music that is 25+ years old Posted by Selassie I God, Thu Dec-03-15 11:47 AM sounds dated. The examples you gave??? C'mon son... Wicked Inna Bed will move the crowd TODAY. Ghetto Red Hot hip hop mix is probably better, but the dancehall version is still working. I've never been big on Frighty and Col. Mite, so... shrug
180730, I don't think ANY Shabba Ranks song Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:50 AM fits in a set today. You could spin Murder SHe Wrote for a bunch of 25-30 year olds, and they'd did it. Wicked Ina Bed or Trailer Load A Girlss, not so much
180731, 'House Call' though. Posted by SoWhat, Thu Dec-03-15 11:51 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwtAGWWC9y4 ^ i think that can work today. but mostly for nostalgia. LOL
180732, they really do still play dem bow though Posted by T Reynolds, Thu Dec-03-15 11:58 AM
180733, You know, I could see Dem Bow working Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 11:59 AM
180734, Ting_A-Ling still goes at a party Posted by Big Kuntry, Thu Dec-03-15 11:59 AM
180735, man, it's obvious this nigga holds up the wall Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Dec-03-15 12:16 PM
180736, I just listened to that and it still holds up to this day. Posted by The Wordsmith, Thu Dec-03-15 08:05 PM Since 1976
180737, champ lover/mr lvrman and caan dun will bust a party wide open fam. Posted by mikediggz, Thu Dec-03-15 12:25 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDlaB_AEcUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ1Q9UhkUMQ
180738, ^^ all of these dudes are right. Posted by SoWhat, Thu Dec-03-15 12:26 PM
180739, I concede that u was wrong about Shabba Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 12:28 PM
180740, and i concede that u said some and not all is outdated. Posted by mikediggz, Thu Dec-03-15 12:30 PM
180741, I'm listening to this shit right nah!!! STILL FIRE Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Dec-03-15 01:21 PM
180742, i love it fam. i got a rhapsody playlist i put together of all that shit.. Posted by mikediggz, Thu Dec-03-15 01:36 PM i throw that joint on and im on some john travolta shit...nigga be bustin spin moves and the whole 9 lol
180743, can you post the list here? Posted by makaveli, Thu Dec-03-15 01:44 PM
180744, ill see if i can put together a list later on when i get off work. Posted by mikediggz, Thu Dec-03-15 05:21 PM
180745, word Posted by makaveli, Thu Dec-03-15 08:40 PM thanks.
180746, Feels like you've made this post before, and u were wrong that time too Posted by micMajestic, Thu Dec-03-15 02:01 PM lol
180747, Nah, this is a first Posted by John Forte, Thu Dec-03-15 02:24 PM But it fits into a larger narrative of revisiting music from he past and trying to separate the art from nostalgia. People tend to disagree with me.
180748, You have a point on the art vs. nostalgia. But these aren't great examples Posted by spenzalii, Fri Dec-04-15 07:54 PM Your theory holds weight across genres, that's for sure. But the exhibits you brought to the table could have been a bit stronger on this one
180749, We didn't know any better Posted by bigkarma, Thu Dec-03-15 02:06 PM I know in the ATL, circa late 80's, there was little exposure to island music...maybe Marley, Third World, Black Uhuru...etc. Maybe if you listened to college radio you heard some Yellowman or Maytals. The 90's combo of an influx of Caribbean and NYC transplants, and dancehall influenced hip-hop getting airplay kicked it off, but still it just the mainstream stuff. Wasn't until I started going to real Caribbean parties and could go online and hear everything did I get into the better stuff.
180750, Weird but all the ones you posted are considered classics and still Posted by Seven, Thu Dec-03-15 05:39 PM .....go hard in any Jamaican dance
180751, this shit gets banged on reggae night in LA HOARD. Posted by now or never, Thu Dec-03-15 06:34 PM i mean, when they used to have reggae night i aint been to a while but when i did, this shit was goin ----- No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
180752, yeah, these examples are fire... Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Dec-03-15 09:54 PM and they still hold up in the club this was a swing and a miss
180753, if you speaking of Dub Club Posted by astralblak, Fri Dec-04-15 03:05 AM yeah, it's still rocking
180754, Reggae/Hip Hop was an epic fail 9 times out of 10. Posted by adg87, Fri Dec-04-15 02:19 AM Despite often pairing two superstars in the genre, it just always came off as disingenuous. As a reggae fiend now, I see it for what it was. An opportunity for dancehall artists to gain exposure. I can barely stand to hear it now. Just awful.
180755, tag for later Posted by ShinobiShaw, Fri Dec-04-15 12:00 PM
180756, IMO, the songs were dated the day after they dropped. Posted by Creole, Fri Dec-04-15 01:01 PM I hated hearing them unless I was lit in the club. Always sounded horrible in cars. I also think it was because I cared more for the traditional reggae stylings of Bob, Jimmy, King Yellowman, Steel Pulse, Third World, and Black Uhuru. The one and only song that I absolutely hate, on "Ready to Die", is the one with Patra. Dancehall shit ruined a perfect album.
180757, LOL!!! Posted by Jakob Hellberg, Fri Dec-04-15 08:24 PM No offense to forte but do you really know what dub means? This whole thread is just facepalm on every level... especially the genre-definitions... FAIL!!! And no, I have no rintention to clarify, I leave it to someone else since I don't have the "correct" credentials...
180758, You are bugging these jawns are still banging!!! All of them Posted by Crisco, Fri Dec-04-15 09:21 PM >How did we like this shit? > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6bVTYRh-w > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFjcNxIELjQ > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqCZBgsl9tA > >
180759, You lost your rabbit ass mind Posted by Mgmt, Fri Dec-04-15 09:41 PM >How did we like this shit? > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6bVTYRh-w > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFjcNxIELjQ > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqCZBgsl9tA > >
180760, you chose 3 of the worst examples to prove your point Posted by Ill Jux, Tue Dec-08-15 10:10 AM actually, the early 90's-late 90's is my favorite time of dancehall.
180761, how you choose bangers to prove shit doesnt bang? Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-08-15 10:15 AM