Whoa. Can't wait to see how this plays out.

Michael Sam's interview on ESPN was awesome, btw. Seems like a class act who's gone through a hell of a lot in his life, ready to face whatever trials this may bring.

http://nyti.ms/1aLva6P

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Holy cow that was good.

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What the blood claaat???

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that nigga FAHN

so boo to SoWhat, that nigga FAHN

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LMAO

havent read much about him. my Niners got two former Mizzou players starting on their line. (well Aldon is OLB, but he stays playing on the line)

power to him, i wish him the best.

i havent seen him much but he seems like a guy who could pegged as a tweener, either a pass rushing end or a 3-4 linebacker.

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Show and prove on the field so that way if you're above average or serviceable you'd have a leg to stand on.

He's projected to go in later rounds. Hope this doesn't drop him lower than that or dump him outta the preseason camp cuts

because he told his teammates not too long ago and word got
out when some scouts talked to folks at Mizzou

word got back to him via his agent. apparently, several teams started
asking if he had a girlfriend

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hope he don't get drafted by miami (or some dumbass team).

i also hope that he excels on the field. if he's a marginal type cat (like, tebow-good at his nfl position), that would be a tough situation.


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like, you can have wack black head coaches in bball. in football, not so much. we're not quite at the era of having mediocre black QBs, but its way better than before.

the vanguard typically has to be phenomenal.

so when i'm rooting for dude to be at least better than average, i'm actually hopeful that the curve is accelerated and he don't have to be rookie of the year caliber.

the goodness in that is that there may already be some 'good, not great' cats out there where its an open secret, who may see that they let this dude live, and decide to come out.

THEN folks will be like, 'oh, well soandso been a very good player for a long time and his teammates knew and the world didn't end'.


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like the Charlie Batch segment:

Batch wasn't the first mediocre black quarterback to get a chance in the league: Tony Banks, Jeff Blake, Rodney Peete, and Vince Evans all got their reps. Hell, Doug Williams wasn't that good. But for the most part, black NFL QBs before Batch were one of two things. They were superstars who from birth were just given more than the rest of us—blindingly fast feet, an abnormally strong arm, a quick release, the brains to make good decisions on the fly, or some combination of the four—or they were scrubs. Bums. Over the history of the NFL, many blacks made teams on the third string, suited up yet multiple onfield disasters away from seeing a meaningful snap in a game. They were insurance policies, seen as bargains because of a large difference in pay between black and white players. They'd eat up a few years of roster space, and then disappear into the ether.

The thing about Batch is that he never disappeared. He stuck. He never flew, but he never had to.

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He's done so far

and that ain't happen & we dealt with Chung instead due to even our front-office as with every other team's front office saying "oh noes, he may has deh gays!!" despite being good enough to play on some teams secondaries.

Hoping for the best for this kid but afraid that despite his skillset addressing any needs for teams to have a capable edge rusher that he may be blackballed. Hope I'm wrong on that & he beasts. And if he does a non-division squad like the Jets grab him.

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and on top of that...teams might be afraid to cut him for fear of being labelled homophobic

dude should have waited til he made a NFL roster, IMO

or Jason Collins, neither of whom did get signed even though they had already been in the league.

STFU and let the dude do him, salute him for his courage and let the chips fall where they may.

This dude is puttin it out there at a young age and he happens to be good.

All different cases.

he already had told his teammates, who he gave license to tell scouts so they weren't put in the position of lying for him, he wanted to be able to own the narrative because it was gonna come out.

I don't understand how someone who ain't in his shoes can't respect that and then hop in to start talking about when he should have done it.

OBVIOUSLY he can do whatever he wants to do, idiot. hes a grown as 6'3" 260 pound man,. nobodys gonna tell him what to do. OBVIOUSLY what i meant was if *I* was him. i thought that went w/o saying seeing as how i didnt know who this clown was til last night but i see everything has to be explicitly spelled out for you.

lemme make it clear.

had he waited until he was on a roster, it would have made this easier.

as is, everything he says or does & everything any team that drafts him does in regards to him will be viewed thru a certain POV. the end. im a Texans fan. i hope they draft him, for reasons past the football field

next time you wanna know what i meant or whatever, say that. better yet...dont

you in that concrete charlie boat from now on


does it even matter?

him keeping quiet about it wouldn't have mattered...

he came out to his current team last year...

it appears he'd rather get out ahead of the potential "scandal" which would be more damaging then not coming out now

>him keeping quiet about it wouldn't have mattered...
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>he came out to his current team last year...
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>it appears he'd rather get out ahead of the potential
>"scandal" which would be more damaging then not coming out
>now
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Are YOU really trying to kick knowledge?!?

I said YOU ain't qualified to speak on that shit because YOU ain't him, plus possess basic-bitch levels of knowledge at best on any sport & despite your limp-dicked attempts it ain't about YOU.

Keep all that other shit about what social strata I now occupy in your little bird-brain mind, nobody *especially me* gives a single fuck.

does it even matter?

I mean, him over Chung? Fuck and yes. THAT is a guy you can make a case for not being in the league.

Collins on the other hand is a bum and a better question is how a guy who makes Kwame Brown look like Hakeem lasted 12 years to begin with.

As stated on ESPN, in order for a homosexual player to make it in the NFL, it will take a Strong Owner, General Manager, and an Established Winning Coach.


If the kid can play, let him play but the reality is that the brand will not support an openly Gay player.


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I know you feel it too





one day your grandkids are going to ask what your thoughts were, or what you were doing, during the gay rights movement.


I'm sure you'll have your moment of clarity - years after the fact.

>I know you feel it too
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>one day your grandkids are going to ask what your thoughts
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Ok.



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sports commentators and NFL reps.

So, if that's all you got to complain about, then have a great day.


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it is tough to find a more hyper-masculine enviornment than the military.
we heard every single argument about this before don't ask, don't tell was removed.

it got removed and the military got along just fine.
even before it was removed, i had folks that i deployed with that i told.
the unit got along just fine.

i am convinced that a group of professional athletes
(i'd highlight the word professional if i could) can form a team
with athletes that have a different sexual orientation than them.

i'd bet that professional athletes can do this even if they
"disagre with his 'lifestyle'".

i'm willing to wager that many winning teams have cohered
with players they had a problem with for various reasons.
they wouldn't have made it to the NFL if they couldn't do it.


so everything you typed is whatever.
i've heard this argument in a million different ways, and it's dumb every time.

This is a private Billion dollar corporation, not a federally funded entity of the US government.

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isnt there an uplifting jesus-themed post you're missing out on right now?

its like you have an anti-gay ministry.
would yo even admit that you are an opponent to progressive ideas about lgbt folks?

>isnt there an uplifting jesus-themed post you're missing out
>on right now?
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>its like you have an anti-gay ministry.
>would yo even admit that you are an opponent to progressive
>ideas about lgbt folks?


WTH does my faith have to do with the NFL's Brand and its Money or working environment.

If you read my post, I said let the kid play. What they heck are you ranting about.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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have a seat bro. i know children with a better grasp.

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I guess your missed the (in a traditional sense) comment.

Dude, the US military is not used to generate revenue. In fact, "America spends more on its military than THE NEXT 15 COUNTRIES COMBINED" and "The pentagon budget consumes 80% of individual income tax revenue"

http://www.businessinsider.com/military-spending-budget-defense-cuts-2011-10?op=1


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Top Five Revenue Sources That Drive Value for the NFL
Football is one of the most beloved American sports pastimes. Avid fans follow their favorite teams whether those teams win or lose. Many households plan their entire Sundays around football during the season, anticipating the next big play from high-profile team members. But, besides talent, what drives value for the NFL?

The NFL is worth billions of dollars. While the exact amount is not known, Forbes reports that at least 20 out of the 32 teams are worth more than $1 billion. The following list describes the top five sources that drive value for these teams.

1. Ticket sales. Ticket sales provide a great resource of revenue for the NFL, with each team generating approximately $51 million per year. With stadium seating ranging from capacities of 65,000 to 85,000, and with ticket prices at a near average of $80, ticket sales add up. And we can’t forget the Super Bowl because Super Bowl ticket prices rise tremendously in comparison with regular season tickets. For Super Bowl XLVII, average ticket prices were $3,100!

2. Merchandising. Hats, key chains, cups, socks, and of course jerseys name just the surface of available NFL merchandise. In 2010, NFL merchandise sales reached $2.1 billion. Merchandise is one of the most effective revenue sources because the reach extends beyond the United States–a reach that is more difficult for other revenue sources such as ticket sales and venue revenue.

3. Advertising. In the last decade, advertisers spent $1.85 billion during the Super Bowl alone. For the Super Bowl this year, a 30-second commercial increased to $4 million from $3.5 million the previous year! During the regular season, advertisers spend $3 billion.

4. Venue. The venue plays a big role in NFL revenue because it provides a variety of ways to generate revenue. New or updated stadiums are likely to fuel more dollars to the NFL because they tend to offer more seating, better views, and other perks. Forbes indicates that teams increase their value when new stadiums are built. Furthermore, venues position a variety of vendors such as food, beverage, and merchandise directly in front of football fans, giving vendors the ability to charge high prices. For instance, the 49ers make $6.8 million per year on just concession and merchandise sales.

5. Licensing. The NFL takes aggressive measures to insure its copyrights and trademarks are protected. It also charges a considerable fee to use the league’s intellectual property. In fact, at the end of December 2011, it was announced that the league was expected to increase its rights fees by 63 percent. One source indicates that television networks will pay almost $28 billion over a nine-year period to air NFL games! Additionally, advertisers that wish to promote products using NFL terms must license trademarks, which increases the cost of an already very expensive ad or marketing effort.

As noted above, the NFL generates a considerable amount of revenue in the sports industry. In fact, it generates the most out of any other major league in the United States. In 2010, NFL revenue reached $8 billion. However, if one or more of the above revenue sources were to falter, the league could suffer major losses. For instance, a lockdown could affect all of the revenue sources, resulting in a significant amount of loss in revenue. However, as the most watched, most attended, and most popular sport in terms of merchandise in America, it is likely that the NFL will remain lucrative and retain its revenue resources.


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they are professionals that have done this their entire lives.
i am confident they will not let any feelings they have
about his orientation affect their work on the field.

it's their job.

There are already established Homosexual players in the NFL, now ask yourself why they have not come out.

Ask yourself why the NFL has not promoted anything remotely Homosexual. The NFL is a GLOBAL BRAND (all things encompassing)! They ain't about to mess up that cash cow so that you can FEEL better about knowing someones sexual preference. And the Gay Players ain't about to mess up their money either just so you can be a fan of their choice.


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you're basically in the crowd chanting "stay in the closet! stay in the closet!"

you're loud as hell and you think you have God on your side in this.

you and the kind of ideas YOU spread is one of the major reasons ppl dont come out of the closet.

>you're basically in the crowd chanting "stay in the closet!
>stay in the closet!"
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Nope! I hope all homosexuals come out of the closet.



>you're loud as hell and you think you have God on your side in
>this.
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This topic has nothing to do with religion.




>you and the kind of ideas YOU spread is one of the major
>reasons ppl dont come out of the closet.


I'm taking about the NFL and its culture. What are you talking about.



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smh

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but if i had to guess, it might have something to do
with not wanting to hear ppl like you ask stupid questions.

like "when did you decide to become gay?"

or asking if they have prayed about it.

or telling them that they are confused about their sexuality.

or listening to people try to get at the causes of their gayness,
and having people ask if they were molested or under the spell of a demon.
because how else could one become gay.

or listening to evangelicals quote bible verses to them
telling them that they are going to hell. that they and other ppl
they care about are abominations.

or having ppl tell them that they are a virus in the lockerroom.

i mean, i can't imagine why anybody would not want to have that conversation--
over and over again, from now until Jesus comes back for His children.




>There are already established Homosexual players in the NFL,
>now ask yourself why they have not come out.
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no clue.

I'm going to end the dialog.

according to reports, Goodell used to fight kids who would bully his brother for being gay

that suggests he will support gay players

They're going to adapt just fine, because it's their job. I'm sure there are gay people where you work and I would hope that doesn't effect your ability to perform your duties.

>They're going to adapt just fine, because it's their job. I'm
>sure there are gay people where you work and I would hope that
>doesn't effect your ability to perform your duties.


I put forth that same conversation that is being delivered on Sports Center and Sports Talk Radio. This is about the NFL, not where I work or about me.


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The NFL makes money off of you, it pushes you into a corner of the market, defines you free of charge and then offers you dozens of over priced products tailored to your particular niche. You think the NFL is scared of a famous gay player? They want to run advertisements for Hard Knocks in between girl fights on the Bravo network as badly as anyone else, I'm sure.


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which is exactly why they won't cause problems for this dude
if he goes pro.

because i doubt the NFL wants young ppl
to think of them as bunch of old, pearl clutching phobes.

young ppl have not inherited your generations feelings about gay ppl.
so even from a business perspective, it's not a fight they'd take up.


ppl that think like you are slowly dying off.
which means businesses are less likely
to care about how ppl like you feel about their brand.

so yeah, there will be some vocal opponents of his decision to come out.
but i doubt the NFL will be one of them.

>which is exactly why they won't cause problems for this dude
>if he goes pro.
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>because i doubt the NFL wants young ppl
>to think of them as bunch of old, pearl clutching phobes.
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>young ppl have not inherited your generations feelings about
>gay ppl.
>so even from a business perspective, it's not a fight they'd
>take up.





>ppl that think like you are slowly dying off.
>which means businesses are less likely
>to care about how ppl like you feel about their brand.
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People Like me? I don't care if the dude plays. There are plenty of gay players now.


>so yeah, there will be some vocal opponents of his decision to
>come out.
>but i doubt the NFL will be one of them.

The NFL will not say anything directly, but it will not promote the any changes either.

My apologies for overestimating your intelligence. I'll just state this plainly. The NFL brand exists for the sole purpose of selling things. The hard fact is that the owners only care about getting asses in the seats and viewers for each game to be more attractive to sponsors, because it is a business.

The only reason they would've cared about someone being openly gay before was because they were concerned with how it would've effected their money. Now, however, advertisers are featuring gay couples in Superbowl ads. Times have already changed. The owners are not about to trip, they're about to keep doing what they've been doing, which is to get money. That is their primary motivation, period.

>My apologies for overestimating your intelligence. I'll just
>state this plainly. The NFL brand exists for the sole purpose
>of selling things. The hard fact is that the owners only care
>about getting asses in the seats and viewers for each game to
>be more attractive to sponsors, because it is a business.
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And you fail to realize just how Global and conservative the Brand is.


>The only reason they would've cared about someone being openly
>gay before was because they were concerned with how it
>would've effected their money. Now, however, advertisers are
>featuring gay couples in Superbowl ads. Times have already
>changed. The owners are not about to trip, they're about to
>keep doing what they've been doing, which is to get money.
>That is their primary motivation, period.

Ok. In the end you will see. Even if you want to keep your eyes closed.


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You're right that we will see...that this global brand is about increasing their market share to sell more things. If they can keep selling things and add gays as a new market share, they're going to go right along with it.

You're putting the NFL on a pedestal, when it's nothing more than a corporation. They knowingly put players at risk for brain injuries, sell sexual images on damn near every commercial break, not to mention the drugs and other illicit activities I've seen players get into...and you really think they have some deep moral code regarding homosexuality? Come on, Case, you're more intelligent than that.

>You're right that we will see...that this global brand is
>about increasing their market share to sell more things. If
>they can keep selling things and add gays as a new market
>share, they're going to go right along with it.
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I doubt it. The NFL may not say anything, but like I said, its not going to promote anything remotely homosexual either.


>You're putting the NFL on a pedestal, when it's nothing more
>than a corporation. They knowingly put players at risk for
>brain injuries, sell sexual images on damn near every
>commercial break, not to mention the drugs and other illicit
>activities I've seen players get into...and you really think
>they have some deep moral code regarding homosexuality? Come
>on, Case, you're more intelligent than that.


I'm not putting the NFL on a pedestal. It's already there or did you miss that little sudo-american holiday called the Super Bowl?

And trying to backhand my intellect is just another classic emotional passive aggressive habit of yours.

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First off, who said anything about promoting homosexuality. Nobody's expecting that, because that would just be awkward. You acted as if they wouldn't be accepting and I disagree with that completely. They are going to act in their monetary interest. I would contend that they won't give a shit either way as long as it doesn't effect sales or viewership.

>I'm not putting the NFL on a pedestal. It's already there or
>did you miss that little sudo-american holiday called the
>Super Bowl?

The Super Bowl featured ads with gay families because they want to be more inclusive...not for some morally righteous imperative, but to sell more shit.

>And trying to backhand my intellect is just another classic
>emotional passive aggressive habit of yours.

I'm not passive aggressive, by any means, I'm just aggressive. If I'm gonna call you a name, I'll just do it. Appealing to someones intellect isn't passive aggressive, that's called reasoning.

how does one do that?

wear pink for breast cancer but sashay onto the field?

i can't even address this respectfully bc i clearly don't respect your base level of intelligence so i'll just continue to guffaw at your ignorance

smfh

>how does one do that?
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PR. Have you ever heard of it?


>wear pink for breast cancer but sashay onto the field?
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Now that's just silly.


>i can't even address this respectfully bc i clearly don't
>respect your base level of intelligence so i'll just continue
>to guffaw at your ignorance
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Great. So we are done here. Good have a crayon and a good day.


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if you had a fully-functioning brain...

you'd realize...

a.) at most...anything to do with promotion related to homosexuality would be centered around promoting "tolerance"

b.) u cant be this fucking stupid...i have more respect for my irrationally and in denial religious bigots but you pretty much play the role perfectly

name one PR campaign known to man that "promotes homosexuality" or even better give an example of what you think it entails

the simple fact that you think it's something that can be done is pretty damning in of itself btw

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dumbest nigga ever yo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwAXcR6wRuQ

>>They're going to adapt just fine, because it's their job.
>I'm
>>sure there are gay people where you work and I would hope
>that
>>doesn't effect your ability to perform your duties.
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>I put forth that same conversation that is being delivered on
>Sports Center and Sports Talk Radio. This is about the NFL,
>not where I work or about me.


The NFL remains the most popular sport despite giving people with behaviors that are TRULY anti-social a second chance primarily due to the fact they're still talented.

For some teams to clutch their pearls over THIS would be hilarious and hypocritical but ultimately I think he'll primarily be judged off his talent.

>>>They're going to adapt just fine, because it's their job.
>>I'm
>>>sure there are gay people where you work and I would hope
>>that
>>>doesn't effect your ability to perform your duties.
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I don't care if he plays or not.




>>I put forth that same conversation that is being delivered
>on
>>Sports Center and Sports Talk Radio. This is about the NFL,
>>not where I work or about me.
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>The NFL remains the most popular sport despite giving people
>with behaviors that are TRULY anti-social a second chance
>primarily due to the fact they're still talented.
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You can't equate criminal behavior to this situation otherwise you are calling dudes behavior criminal. And I don't think that is the case.


>For some teams to clutch their pearls over THIS would be
>hilarious and hypocritical but ultimately I think he'll
>primarily be judged off his talent.


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anti-social behavior (which homosexuality is not in case anbody else might make an incorrect inference).

The point though is that the NFL "brand" is about playing football and what the players do on their own time is only allowed to impact the field when the law actually keeps the player from playing.

If the law isn't involved, players and teams largely turn a blind eye (sometimes to a fault when it does involve criminality). For something like this, only a select few are going to prioritize what dude does in his free time over whether he can help their team win/


>>The NFL remains the most popular sport despite giving people
>>with behaviors that are TRULY anti-social a second chance
>>primarily due to the fact they're still talented.
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>You can't equate criminal behavior to this situation otherwise
>you are calling dudes behavior criminal. And I don't think
>that is the case.
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>>For some teams to clutch their pearls over THIS would be
>>hilarious and hypocritical but ultimately I think he'll
>>primarily be judged off his talent.
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If the image is not affected then they will be fine, but they ain't going to promote an openly homosexual player. Anyone thinking otherwise is just fooling themselves.

The superstars get a spotlight buteverbody else is just a number and that's why they're able to mostly ignore a player's personal life.

shit's ridiculous

any fan worth his salt knows the obvious u just stated

but not Case...not when it involves gayness

no no no

not in the shield's house

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the bigots are still gonna watch his gay ass tackle people...

u know why...

cause them racist assholes love to be enraged by non-sensical shit...

not to mention...who the fuck is not watching football bc a gay guy plays for the Packers????

football is too beloved...it'd be like asking a redneck to stop drinking beer...or an extremely drunk woman regular at a sports bar to not go home with the first new male face that compliments her ass

u don't have a grasp of all these images you say you do bc your own perspective is so narrow

get over it

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also...

pseudo is how sudo is spelled

i try to limit my u are an idiot jokes to one per reply so with all those other retarded things you've said...i've just gotten back to it...sorry for the delay

but let him tell it he's for equality.

...the question is with some teams & organizations within the NFL that'd have a question about it.

Roger Goodell is mad cool with the idea, whether some teams like whatever team murked that punter for ONLY being pro-gay is another question entirely.

>...the question is with some teams & organizations within the
>NFL that'd have a question about it.
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>Roger Goodell is mad cool with the idea, whether some teams
>like whatever team murked that punter for ONLY being pro-gay
>is another question entirely.


Roger Goodell ain't gonna isolate a group that buys merchandise and tickets nor is he gonna promote a pro or a con.


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if the NFL says it's ok...

who isn't going to promote him again?

or does their statement count as "promoting homosexuality"

or wait...is it the locker rooms that promote players?

im so confused by your reasoning...

probably bc it makes shit sense

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bc they already came out in support of, but your right on the rest of your initial point. im not reading the subthread to see what else you said though....lol



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140209/michael-sam-draft-stock/#ixzz2sscVCUJc

The executives and coaches were granted anonymity by SI.com for their honesty and their answers were consistently unsparing.
"I don't think football is ready for it just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's man game. To call somebody a is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."

later in same article making the same point that you made.

"You're going to have to have one confident general manager or head coach that is certainly entrenched in his position and established to draft a player like that," the assistant personnel director said. "It's one thing to have Chris Kluwe or Brendon Ayanbadejo, advocates for gay rights, on your team. It's another to have a current confirmed player."

I don't expect the commissioner to say anything that is not politically correct.


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but i also believe that he and the league office legitimately are behind it. its the rest of the league (coaches, players, etc.) that has the problem.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q5FdzHaOuE

You use a shield (be it the NFL, the Vatican, etc..)
to deflect away from having to explain *your* beliefs.

Here, you say "The Shield won't support an openly gay
player" instead of "*I* won't support an openly gay
player." This is not the action of somebody who
is centered in their belief system.


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Get over yourself. I made my comments and they were clear. I don't care if the young man gets drafted.

But the priesthood/papacy/preacher be trolling, as per usual.

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I hear what you are saying about the NFL. Everyone wants to say they support but do they? NFL is not sure how this will ultimately affect their bottomline.

Right now I say they support, but the minute this story or others like it mess up their money, or brand... You won't hear about any other openly anything...

They will still play, as they have already for the many many years the league existed but in the secrecy of the locker room.

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and saying that they will politically correct...genuinely or otherwise doesn't mean anything...

some gms will care draft day...some won't

the ones that do will probably have a talk with their players about tolerance and/or consequences for acting on some of the intolerance yall speak of

so while it may be a problem...it's not the NFL's problems...

it IS in the locker room...

it's completely different...not every locker room is the same

the fact that yall think NFL's needs to be genuine or feels they have the power to "promote" homosexuality is stupid

your boy took a stance and is now backing off it bc the message may be disingenuous...so the fuck what

is Goodell going to be behind the scenes setting gay booby traps in locker rooms around the league?

yall gotta hear what these idiots are saying and be smarter than that...yes, he's going to face some strife in the locker room...no, it will not be a reflection on the NFL and yes the NFL will take measures to ensure it doesn't happen if they can help it

Being gay isn't an achievement?

It isn't some spectacular feat...


...media just need to exploit something else.


Dude ain't the first gay football player

Won't be the last.


All that matters is can he play football.


NFL doesn't have rules or laws banning gay players so what's the big deal.

he was gonna get drafted and paid either way.
if hes good with his family..what does it matter the
rest of the world knows?
was he under some kind of pressure?

to keep that to yourself.

you must constantly lie, hide your everyday life if it involves any kid of significant other or dating. (i became an expert at dodging and pivoting questions)

i hate when heteroguys say stuff like "why do you need to tell us/put it in our faces..." when nearly everything you do/say in a day would illustrate to anyone paying attention that you're hetero.

why are you allowed to make comments that reinforce the fact that you're straight but we cannot even say that we are gay?

try going an entire day without saying ANYTHING that could tip off a stranger that you're straight. could you go a week? month? how bout your entire career?

be honest. you can't

you're all flaming heteros.

(edit)
and what do you suggest we do when ppl start asking questions? i can't really remember a time when i volunteered that info for no reason. it's usually guys who are wondering why im not smashing a certain chick, or a chick with a heavy attraction to me that forces me to out myself.
what would you suggest there? keep lying like i did as a teen? pretending to like women for the comfort of others?

have you thought about *any* of this???

Ain't no one way to be gay...

Everyone doesn't suffer the same gay plight, whatever that is...


There isn't a law against being gay in the NFL


There have been gay NFL players before him and they did their job and played football without any focus on their "lifestyle"


Who cares.

People want too much attention for regular ass shit fam...

Not on every gay man in the world or USA...

Your opinion and experiences are your own.

It was hard for you. That sucks.

I know gay dudes who were open in highschool and I guess even calling them gay dudes at this point just puts focus on one aspect of their life when in actuality they are just men who only differ in sexual preference.


Everyone doesn't live your life fam.

so i guess neither one of us anything valid to say, huh?

I just don't see the big deal in 2014 why being the first gay (anything) is such a pressing matter.


Is it that rare to come across someone gay in any occupation?

RE: I don't dismiss your opinion fam
ok, sure..

>I just don't see the big deal in 2014 why being the first gay
>(anything) is such a pressing matter.
sure. it's totally not worth our attention that an institution that has been historically said to be homophobic or "not the proper place for gays" has a guy walking into the door with the cat out of the bag vs just lying about it until it doesnt matter and you've made you dough. have you paid any attn to the Olympics?

>Is it that rare to come across someone gay in any occupation?
lol. i can't answer this forreal. you know the deal, dude.

America is a fucked up institution that doesn't tolerate.


I get it.


He is a pioneer of sorts for the gay athlete community.


All the previous gay athletes ain't shit in comparison because they weren't brave enough to come out?????


Now more gay athletes will feel more comfortable coming out. Ok, cool.


I just hope they are good at their sports.

If they suck as athletes then their sexuality shouldn't matter.



People were already making a case for Kerry Rhodes being blackballed because of his sexuality.

Maybe he's not as good as he used to be anymore?

Where will that line be drawn.


If this kid isn't drafted in the first two rounds, will there be talk of his draft stock dropping because of his sexuality?

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YUP to all of this.

ive worked and socialized with them
here and there
but if they never ever told me
it wouldnt have mattered either way
thats my point
he gonna get paid regardless
why even invite that extra scrutiny on yourself?
the only way it would come up is when some of his
teammates are like 'lets get on these hoes"
and to your point
women offer me their phone numbers in public
so i dont ever really have to assert my straightness to anyone
they just assume i am

>the only way it would come up is when some of his
>teammates are like 'lets get on these hoes"
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His teammates knew he wasn't straight.
Personnel was asking if he liked girls or who he dated because they heard about his teammates knowing about it.


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that subject line is respectful. allow me to shed some light if you'd like to understand a little better the predicament that a lot of us are in.

>ive worked and socialized with them
>here and there
>but if they never ever told me
>it wouldnt have mattered either way
>thats my point
that's GREAT. you don't come off as an opponent in that regard, however a lot of folx are. i also think you're underestimating the nosiness of co-workers and the fact that info spreads like wildfire. There were times i confided in ONE person at work, and the next thing i know, everyone knew. it didnt matter to you. hopefully more ppl will adopt that attitude.

>he gonna get paid regardless
umm, let's not get too crazy. he may possibly never get put on.

>why even invite that extra scrutiny on yourself?
why dont you scrutinize? why cant others be more like you?

>the only way it would come up is when some of his
>teammates are like 'lets get on these hoes"
>and to your point
>women offer me their phone numbers in public
>so i dont ever really have to assert my straightness to
>anyone
>they just assume i am
yeah this happens to a lot of us all the time. i usually pretend not to realize i'm being hit on but there are times when i get this feeling in my stomach because i know im gonna HAVE to tell a person. like the girl who WOULD NOT take no for an answer. or like the dude who wanted to room with me. or any person who thinks i come off as a cool person and wants to hang out. there comes a point where you end up talking about what you did/where you went/who you were with over the weekend.

imagine being on a team with brotherhood and camaraderie and NEVER discussing your romantic life truthfully. ever.

>the only way it would come up is when some of his
>teammates are like 'lets get on these hoes"


Q: "what did you do this weekend?"
A: "went to a club."
Q: "oh cool. which one?"

*lies about which club it was*



"are you seeing anybody?"
*changes the pronoun every time i talk about my SO*

"what's her name?"
*makes something up*



so you could just lie that way.
or, you could never talk about your social life...
which somehow makes you look like a weirdo that never goes out.


and then there is the matter of avoiding who sees you with whom.

should i not be with this guy in public?
where can i go?
what if somebody sees me.

straight ppl kiss each other in public all the time. what of somebody sees me doing that?
okay. just don't kiss. don't act to gay.
don't put it in people's faces.



only there is this one thing...


why am i putting forth all of this effort to make OTHER ppl feel more comfortable?
you know what solves the problem?
just answering questions honestly and let ppl deal.

or, just putting it out there right away.
yes, i am gay.

so now i don't have to play these games.
it's easier in a lot of ways.
it really is.



>and to your point
>women offer me their phone numbers in public
>so i dont ever really have to assert my straightness to
>anyone
>they just assume i am

i mean, i ain't thought about this in depth, and being on okp has made me much more aware than i otherwise would have been.

>ive worked and socialized with them
>here and there
>but if they never ever told me
>it wouldnt have mattered either way
>thats my point

right. if you a 'live and let live' ass ni&&a. it's whatever. the reaction from you ain't really what cats are stressing (well, i'd assume that).


>he gonna get paid regardless
>why even invite that extra scrutiny on yourself?

apparently, he'd already told his teammates. do you know how much background investigation goes on in the nfl? plus we living in the days of social media. one of the big reasons the manti teo shit blew up is because teams were asking dude about his social life.

you got two main camps in this and a LOT of smaller factions with varying ideological positions and tactics:

- straights who truly don't like gays and think that the presence of anyone gay in a 'mainstream' institution is a corrupting influence

- gays who are projecting their own political struggle onto ALL gays and who feel, tactically, that 'outing' ppl forces the broader society to deal with them and their issues. some of these types only blow up the spots of hypocritical closeted folks, like, say, GOP family values assed congresscritters, but there's there are some by any means necessary type gay activists who will blow up ANYBODYs spot for their own definition of the greater good.

- straights who really don't give a fuck, but who like gossip and drama and would pursue the story because they know it will drive eyeballs/ratings

- people who will blow up his spot for $$$. tmz and these other mags be paying. maybe you was a teammate and you ain't make it to the L. you see an opportunity to come up on some (to you) big paper before commencing your career as a car salesman or bouncer. OR, you was his sidepiece and the relationship ended messy, and your personal vendetta trumps 'the movement' and you can get a lil change to boot.

actually, just typing that shit out like that and trying to think how someone would feel is stressful.


>the only way it would come up is when some of his
>teammates are like 'lets get on these hoes"

lol. you make it sound like that's a rarity. much of my college interactions w/ teammates (and non-teammates) was of the 'lets get on these hoes' variety.

i can't imagine how we'd have taken it if a cat politely demurred, and said, 'nah, i'm good. i'ma get on these bros'.

now that i think of it, there were a couple of dudes whom i never recall seeing w/ a girl, and we had some suspicions. but they weren't very high profile players. and there were, now that i think of it, events where bringing a date was acceptable, like banquets an shit. oh man, i can't imagine a dude showing up w/ a guy on some, 'this the homie/boocake'.

>and to your point
>women offer me their phone numbers in public
>so i dont ever really have to assert my straightness to
>anyone
>they just assume i am

that's the whole point. its the assumption of straightness. that's 'normal'. (that's where the term 'hetero-normative' comes from). i won't front. seeing two dudes holding hands looks 'off' to me. it goes against how i was brought up, my conditioning, all that. so i'm not writing this from some super-enlightened mountaintop or something. i used to feel like 'they should keep it to themselves', but in reality, when i think about it, that's not possible. if i lived every waking moment with the understanding that part of the most basic, and central parts of my identity were perceived by the majority of society as 'wrong', 'abnormal'... 'queer', that would be very difficult to deal with. and i'm positive that would be terrible for one's physical or mental health.






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"do you have a girlfriend?"
"what did you do this weekend?"
"so when are we gonna meet this special someone you've been seeing?"

now picture everytime heteros coment on
how good a member of the opposite sex looks.
every time they tell a story that involved sex. or a date.

and then imagine navigating around all of those questions
in a way that doesn't "put it in their face" that
you are attracted to people of the same sex.



i LOL when ppl say " there's no such thing as straight pride day"
as if valentines day doesn't exist.

homophobes are wondering why he has to
"put it in everyone's face."

ppl sick of homophobes are glad that a guy in
a hypermasculine environment is talking about
the fact that he's gay and making homophobes just deal with it.

ideally, there would be no need to ever think about
social constructs like race, gender, and sexual orientation
or the baggage that comes along with those labels.


but here we are, so there you go.

it's funny how people want to pretend that we've come so far as a society
that sexuality doesn't matter anymore. that's complete b.s. significant
inequalities still exist and unless they are highlighted and confronted
openly and directly, then they will continue to persist

who cares?

maybe all the gay kids who are playing sports right now
maybe parents with gay kids
maybe anyone who understands that every day gay people are subjected to slurs,
harassment, assault, and marginalization

to ask "who cares" is mind-numbingly ignorant

You like trannies...

How people know, because you volunteer that shit.

I don't care who you fuck.

If your posts suck, its because you suck at posting lol not who you fuck or because I don't agree with who you fuck.

Gay =/= Race


Some people don't care G


Richard Sherman could be gay and I don't care, if he keep it to himself and his partner then cool. He still the best corner in the league.

Will there be awkward situations in the workplace...probably...but that's to be expected.

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of a distinction between this and that
this guy will play his entire career as openly gay in one of the 4 major sports
either way no one i know will care

LMAO REALLY???

that's a fantasy. only gay ppl know homophobes.

just like only black ppl know racists and only women know misogynists..

ok, maybe that was heavy handed but seriously "no one you know?!"

at best it's too early to see.

Aint like he said no one in the world or something like that

Of course there are people that will care, but is it hard to believe that a group of people in their early 30s wouldnt gaf about this?

Not everyone hates gay people u know...

>LMAO REALLY???
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>that's a fantasy. only gay ppl know homophobes.
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>just like only black ppl know racists and only women know
>misogynists..
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>ok, maybe that was heavy handed but seriously "no one you
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>at best it's too early to see.

i don't believe that nobody he knows will care.

nobody at the barbershop.
none of the old church going folks he knows.
nobody at all that he knows will care.

assuming he knows nobody that will care about the announcement...
i can't believe that he knows nobody that will remark if he is photographed
kissing his boyfriend while out in public. or thanking his boyfriend at a press conference.
or hitting up a gay strip club.

or doing something else that otherwise displays his sexuality in an overt way.
even if that type of display is common among straight ppl.



yes, i do find it hard to believe that nobody he knows
will feel any kind of way about this stuff.
i honestly do.



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>Of course there are people that will care, but is it hard to
>believe that a group of people in their early 30s wouldnt gaf
>about this?
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>Not everyone hates gay people u know...
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>>LMAO REALLY???
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>>that's a fantasy. only gay ppl know homophobes.
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>>just like only black ppl know racists and only women know
>>misogynists..
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>>ok, maybe that was heavy handed but seriously "no one you
>>know?!"
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>>at best it's too early to see.
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>announcement...
>i can't believe that he knows nobody that will remark if he is
>photographed
>kissing his boyfriend while out in public. or thanking his
>boyfriend at a press conference.
>or hitting up a gay strip club.
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>or doing something else that otherwise displays his sexuality
>in an overt way.
>even if that type of display is common among straight ppl.
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And he said it because NFL scouts and reporters probably asked him. If he lies, he's up there not being true to himself. If he comes out, he controls the story.

Let's not act like he wanted to parade this information about.

You don't have to worry about it because you're straight. He has to because pictures of him being out with his significant other would be misconstrued as some sort of scandal or hiding his private life or whatever.

I'm glad you seem so progressive that this ain't a big deal to you but I don't know how you seem so angry that this dude did come out.

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all the people talking about "Why did he have to say anything?" would be the same people all in the mix if he didn't say anything and then TMZ reported that they'd seen him leave a restaurant late one night and get in the car with a man. If he said nothing, society would assume he was straight and crucify him for any behavior that contradicted the assumption. Hetero privilege is real.

i mean look at the whole kerry rhodes situation

>i mean look at the whole kerry rhodes situation

but we posting at okp where dense ass niggas dominate most posts SMH

although it has gotten a lot better than it was when I first got here. This place used to be like a high school lockerroom.

and respected his privacy and choice

he was tossed out the closet by one of his own

which is very common

heteros ain't the ones witch hunting

its the gay community that does that to its own members most of the time
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you said yourself you don't kick it with gay folks like that.
so you would have no way of knowing what's common in the "gay community."


basing your theory about how often gay men out closeted dudes
off of a news report is like white folks forming opinions about black folks based off of
television.


but hey. i'll humor you.
since you want to used anecdotes as evidence, i have some of my own.

i was getting it in when i was closeted and i never got outed.
i know a shit load of gay ppl and none of them were ever outed by gay ppl.
i have got it in with closeted dudes, and i have never thought about outing any of them...
even when they pissed me off.



actually, all of the gay men i know that date closeted men
go through great lengths to NOT out their closeted partners.
even going so far as to not be seen in public with them doing anything
that could arouse suspicion that there is anything going on.


i certainly didn't see any of this happening in the military under don't ask don't tell.
and there were all kinds of gay shenanigans happening while i was deployed.
never heard of any gay soldiers outing folks in my unit.


of course, this is all anecdotal.
that's just my experience.
but since you have made it clear that you don't kick it with gay folks on the regular,
i am not sure how you would have more experience with this than me.

i certainly don't know how you would have enough info
to come to the conclusion that it is "very common" for dudes to be outed
by gay men.


you can go ahead and cook,
but everything you typed was dumb.

just so you know.


>he was tossed out the closet by one of his own
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>which is very common
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>heteros ain't the ones witch hunting
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>its the gay community that does that to its own members most
>of the time

ur not a celebrity tho.

and I'm talking about scenarios that are related to the one being discussed.

and more often than not in cases of celebrities its a gay lover that does the outing

all im saying

but type away

not doing the back n forth with any of yal nyggas anymore.

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This individual happened to a be a jilted ex who was also hungry for fame

That behavior and mentality is not exclusive to gays

I am upset that there is a media climate that will blow this out of proportion.


The media don't care about dude or his life. They just want a story.


There have been former athletes who were rumored to be gay (Isiah Thomas, Walter Payton, Cuttino Mobley, Terrell Owens...to name a few)

I personally DGAF what or who they fuck with.


I don't think dude should have to come out.


Nothing mad about anything I stated

i'm out.
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Q to homo dude: "what'd you do last night?"
A: "i took my boyfriend out to dinner."



see how that works?
well, of course you don't.

but to others that may be reading, there it is.
make a note of how easy it is to get through the day
without your sexuality coming up in conversation.

seriously, just try it.
i never thought of this thought experiment until poetx brought it up just now.
it would be interesting to keep a running tally.

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>There have been former athletes who were rumored to be gay
>(Isiah Thomas, Walter Payton, Cuttino Mobley, Terrell
>Owens...to name a few)

Notice how you said rumored. He would be the first to be openly gay if he goes to the NFL. That's what the big deal is. There would be no speculation and months/years of rumors dragged out, because he's already be confirmed as gay. That's why it's a story.

You don't get a cookie for being gay.

This guy apparently came out to teammates so it wasn't a secret.

Where are the rumors coming from if it has been known he is gay?

mainly the public

and the organization he's about to be working for

it was going to be a story no matter what...

may as well take ownership for it so you can help dictate the conversation

Which you still can't explain why reporters and scouts kept asking him about his dating life and who he was fucking.

It seems like you don't have an issue with that. But you take umbrage when he decides to come out about it.

Which means, you're full of shit.


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were already rumors about it flying around about with the draft coming in a few months, he wanted to get on top of the story and just put it out there

thats what i heard this morning, he came out to his teammates about a year ago and that caused rumors to swirl

why are people speculating in the first place if "they don't need to know all that?"

community so altho they may have heard he was gay without confirmation their was apparently chatter about it

so he cleared that shit up, like a man who's name and business is on other folks lips should

YOU CARE.

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Ppl coming out

Enough already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g0HuLG6M_Y

Peter King is a dope writer, article is definitely worth checking out

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/09/michael-sam-monday-morning-quarterback/

Two team reps didn’t know the story when we spoke, with me not naming names and simply asking what would happen if, as I expected, a gay player would be coming out before the combine. One GM said he’d heard that Sam might be the player. But the fourth, a general manager, said he not only knew the story and that Sam was the player, but that his team had discussed it at draft meetings in the past few days.

“We talked about it this week,” the GM said. “First of all, we don’t think he’s a very good player. The reality is he’s an overrated football player in our estimation. Second: He’s going to have expectations about where he should be drafted, and I think he’ll be disappointed. He’s not going to get drafted where he thinks he should. The question you will ask yourself, knowing your team, is, ‘How will drafting him affect your locker room?’ And I am sorry to say where we are at this point in time, I think it’s going to affect most locker rooms. A lot of guys will be uncomfortable. Ten years from now, fine. But today, I think being openly gay is a factor in the locker room.”

I asked this general manager: “Do you think he’ll be drafted?”

“No,” he said.

With players like Vilma coming out and openly saying they will NOT play with a gay person,
it will be hard for a GM to draft a undocumented rookie and force out a tried and trued veteran pro-bowler captain of a team and leader of a locker room for the sake of political correctness.

this guy Sam could be all-SEC but the fact is I've never heard of him and I watch a lot of college football.
His name don't ring bells.

But, if he was on the level of Jameis, Tahj, Teddy, Manziel, McCarron, Mariota, or Tre Mason THEN you'd have a story.

Hell, there are TONS of guys who are atheltically capable but don't get drafted because they are locker room "cancers".

Dude should have faked it, until he made it (ink dried on NFL contract...which means he shouldn't have told his team last August)

but I could certainly understand how he could be a good college player but project to be a marginal pro.

really?

He was just like Sam. Undersized DEs that had to switch to LB in the pros.

People acting like the dynamic of a team locker room is not important just because these players get paid money to do a job to entertainer fans.




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You'll notice the "locker room" or "image" only matter for marginal players.

As a way to stay way.


>You'll notice the "locker room" or "image" only matter for
>marginal players.


And you can't limit the impact of the locker room or teams image as it related to the success of the team , which leads to money.




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niggas get over it...

it may not be pretty but...in the end motherfuckers just wanna ball

folks just deal with it.
there is no alternative, when you think about it.

we're stuck together anyway.
the idea that you don't like somebody, for whatever reason,
really doesn't amount to shit.

you work together and get over it.

Sure Goodell will say it's all good...

Sure the team owners will say it's all good...

but let these coaches and players interview anonymously and you get the real story.

MOST of these players aren't going to be cool with it and the ones who do are retired or damn near close to leaving the game.

They want it to be one way but it's going to be another. I know that shit hurts feelings but the NFL ain't ready... and it won't be until an actual super star athlete Adrian Peterson or RGIII comes out the closet.

>Sure Goodell will say it's all good...
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>Sure the team owners will say it's all good...
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>you get the real story.
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>MOST of these players aren't going to be cool with it and the
>ones who do are retired or damn near close to leaving the
>game.
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>They want it to be one way but it's going to be another. I
>know that shit hurts feelings but the NFL ain't ready... and
>it won't be until an actual super star athlete Adrian Peterson
>or RGIII comes out the closet.
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People acting like I live in LA LA Land and I'm just making this matter up in my head. If the Locker Room ain't right, the team chemistry and winning will suffer.

bc in the end who cares about all that shit...

he'll get over it and so will the locker room

until somebody else spouts shit like "sudo" or "promoting homosexuality" u don't get to cosign anyone not wearing a dunce cap

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>>Sure Goodell will say it's all good...
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>>Sure the team owners will say it's all good...
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>>but let these coaches and players interview anonymously and
>>you get the real story.
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>>MOST of these players aren't going to be cool with it and
>the
>>ones who do are retired or damn near close to leaving the
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>>They want it to be one way but it's going to be another. I
>>know that shit hurts feelings but the NFL ain't ready... and
>>it won't be until an actual super star athlete Adrian
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>People acting like I live in LA LA Land and I'm just making
>this matter up in my head. If the Locker Room ain't right, the
>team chemistry and winning will suffer.
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I know why but lets not act like he was speaking another language.

Niggas was all "who says the Shield"

damn near everyone on NFL Network says it when referring to the politics of the NFL.

>I know why but lets not act like he was speaking another
>language.
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>Niggas was all "who says the Shield"
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>damn near everyone on NFL Network says it when referring to
>the politics of the NFL.


And also acting like teams and teammates don't overlook their teammates personal lives in order to win.

Teammates will talk, argue, fight etc... but ultimately, *most* will eventually respect someone that's actually a good player and can help their team win.

This dude is likely going to be marginal... but if dude had been a top recruit, coaches and teammates would be telling the "distracted" mfers to just deal with it and do their damn job.

we are saying it doesn't matter.
are there going to be players that feel some kinda way about having an openly gay man in the locker room?


sure.


will that cause some tension at some point?
probably?


will they continue to go out and be professionals?
yes, they will.

because it's a team.
because they get paid millions of dollars a year.
because they have learned how to play ball with folks they don't like.
because at that level, the only thing ppl REALLY care about is ppl playing their position.


and the NFL will follow suit.
notice that all the ppl against it are speaking anonymously.
they know that they will create problems for themselves if they speak this dumb shit publicly.



we fully understand what case_one is saying.
"the lockerroom ain't ready."

guess what.
if he goes pro, they will get ready.
they won't magically be ready 10 or 20 years later.
they will learn to deal when their team mates are openly gay,
and they have to go out and play ball.


i'm sure there were (and still are)
folks in the military that would rather not deal with black ppl.
or women. or muslims. or whatever.

but they get tossed in a unit together and they figure it out.
humans ain't shit, but they know how to work together in small groups.
the locker room is just that.


we understand his point.
it just doesn't matter.




>I know why but lets not act like he was speaking another
>language.
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>Niggas was all "who says the Shield"
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>damn near everyone on NFL Network says it when referring to
>the politics of the NFL.

NFL is a monopoly with its owm set of rules.

A GM asked Dez Bryant if his mom was a prostitute in an interview
Panthers owner made Cam Newton promise he wouldnt get any tattoos
Incognito called Martin a half nig and hasnt played since


A good 6 or 7 teams have already scratched him off their board.

This aint the military... step back and actually use common sense and realize it aint about your experience.

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lol

just forget i said anything.

The Manti Teo stuff was so blown out of proportion due to social media and i think this will play out the way that ended up. Lot of talk initially, then comes the draft and eventually the story dies down. Life moves on.

I can say in an ideal world my being gay doesn't raise an eyebrow. I honestly think this guy's eventual team organization and teammates aren't gonna care. The ones that do care will cry alone about it or speak up and get shamed and shutdown. I imagine this is what currently happens with gay football players.

So glad this is finally happening though so we can eventually move the eff on.

The girlfriend dying and Teo playing for her was blown out of proportion so naturally when people found out it was fake it was big news.

he got drafted and then life went on. There was talk about whether teams would want him and his baggage. That speculation ultimately fizzled out.

until the next one... lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if another dude tried to steal his shine right before the draft.

>until the next one... lol.
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>I wouldn't be surprised if another dude tried to steal his
>shine right before the draft.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/10/michael-sam-coming-out_n_4759841.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

this is also another huge part of the problem. social media takes into account and giving false value to idiots. why the fuck should you, Sam, or any other person gay or not think about some of those statements. those are statements of idiocy and shouldn't be given any merit.
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not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

>this is also another huge part of the problem. social media
>takes into account and giving false value to idiots. why the
>fuck should you, Sam, or any other person gay or not think
>about some of those statements. those are statements of
>idiocy and shouldn't be given any merit.



one one level, i can be dismissive.
i can ignore ppl that make racist, mysogonistic, and homophobic comments.
or i can give nothing but snarky one liners that paint the targets as dumb,
backwards thinking, mouth breathing knuckle draggers.


but sometimes, i don't want to be that way.
i can also decide to be a condescending, intellectual bully.
i can spell out exactly why what somebody is saying is stupid,
and chose to never to use an ad-hominem attack-- no matter
how much they may want me to.


but i think both approaches are necessary.
if you focus too much attention on phobes,
you play into their hands.

at the same time, sometimes things need to be called out.
it's dangerous to let people get away with innuendo
and allowing them to make their point without spelling out
exactly what they are saying. (i.e. "culture of poverty," "lockerroom chemistry,"
*insert various dog whistles.)


i think that by portraying these comments as something only the lowest 2 percent think,
you run the risk of implying that comments like the ones case_one is making
is infrequent.

they are certainly less common, but they happen a lot.
that's why i dislike it when ppl get brand new ad act like "no one really cares."
young ppl care less, but come on... homophobia aint gone.



i think we need a lot of different tactics to battle homophobia.
homophobes damn sure use a lot of different tactics to push their agenda.
sometimes you have to go tit for tat.

some of you sound real clueless on this acceptance angle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUyh2yaZPno

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i bet he'll be like to the ILB "how come you ain't slap me on the ass to tell me which gap to shoot?"

gonna be all kinds of missed calls.

I see a lot of people arguing about the locker room and everything. I don't think any of us are so naive that we think he won't have to deal with some level of shit if he gets drafted. That's not what we're arguing. However, progress has to start somewhere, right?

I can't speak for others, but my main argument is that the NFL can adapt if properly motivated. The main motivation will be money. If he get's drafted and it doesn't their pockets (ticket sales, merch, etc.) or if they start increase their audience, then the players, teams and etc will go along, because nobody with sense is going eff off a multi-million dollar contract behind someone else's sexual orientation.

Adversely, if it effects them negatively, I can see the league falling back. My thing is no one knows one way or the other. It is challenging for most openly gay athletes; no one is deluding themselves otherwise. However, I reject the notion that they should just hide and go-along-to-get-along.

Somebody's gotta open the door and be the first, because it will happen. Maybe this kid will be the one or maybe he won't, but you're delusional if you don't think it's coming and sooner than you may think.

and they are MAD about it.

yes, i love it.

Who broke the color barrier went thru ruff times but changed the world and their sport

BOOM! :)

perfect city for him and definitely perfect team.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/michael-sam-good-fit-49ers

A lot of brothers needed something like this to happen, and I'm glad he's the one to step up to the plate.

I fear for Sam, because there is still a lot evil in the world (including in this post). But more than anything, I'm proud of him. Because he is bold enough to be the first, he will not be the last.

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good for him to come out
that takes guts

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i can see two things happening
him not getting drafted
or him getting drafted
but having trouble on the field

football is about trust etc.
i can see players mad at him for being the "golden boy"
and getting in on the "gay card"
kinda like the "race card"
on some the nfl saying
"well we HAVE to draft him now because if we dont
the brand will hurt"

so therefor he could get hurt fats in the field
football is just that kind of sport

him doing this is wonderful
but it has implications
i hope that he gets picked to a good team
and his players support him

*disclaimer*
i dont know what position he plays
or his size etc with this
for all i know he is a center
and is defense
or he is a running back and is smaller
and needs people to block for him

any good luck to him

Niggas don't want no charges

http://www.outsports.com/2014/2/9/5396036/michael-sam-gay-football-player-missouri-nfl-draft

it includes why he came out now and what he plans to do later

He can 100 percent get it, like now, today, he is sexy to me

>He can 100 percent get it, like now, today, he is sexy to me

LOL! Who you tellin? SHEEIT...he could awl this business for real.

*I support the outing of those that are LGBTQ in private but publicly bash LGBTQI folks/create anti-LGBTQ policies.

Outing LGBTQ people who bash other LGBTQ people.

I don't know why. I support it on a case by case basis according to if I like them personality wise.

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70 spots overnight?! That's fucked up.

this is a fuck that, no sir drop in points.
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not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

teams don't want a 4th round talent getting 1st round treatment.

You woiulda thought Tebow was the starting QB instead of a 3rd stringer the way the media obsessed over him.

I mean, it's fucked up and an embarrassment for the NFL that his ranking fell in the first place. But this aint over.

High profile criminal cases.
The elephant in the room of long term mental damage from the hits

There's a reason why everyone's so at least publicly happy about it on the front office.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/34467/big-blue-morning-on-michael-sam-news

For the first time in a few years they are on the 'right' side of history. Ive got a sneaking suspicion he will have a better run then Kerry Rhodes since it's so high profile.

http://deadspin.com/is-the-nfl-blacklisting-kerry-rhodes-1300128496

Shit, short-sighted organization

so I don't see him drafting him

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But let me stop before I get labeled in this poast.

>But let me stop before I get labeled in this poast.

Fuck getting labeled, say what you have to say. I swear I've never seen a messageboard people are so precious with.

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The media still wanted to hear more from the Patriots but guess what... they know how to control the locker room and deal with the media.

Bellicheck didn't say shit, Brady didn't say shit and nobody else on the team said shit so that potential "distraction" was avoided.

It would be the same way with this dude if they think he's worth a pick or FA contract.

they washed their hands of Hernandez... ain't much to talk about when dudes a murderer and no longer on the team.

If Hernandez was free on bail and still on the team it would be a different story.

That he might maybe perhaps be useful on special teams.

I don't follow college ball enough to know how ludicrous that is. However good he is, though, he's prolly gonna get fucked over relative to where he should be.

1:20 mark

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap2000000324993/Casserly-Michael-Sam-s-draft-stock-shouldn-t-be-impacted

high motor guy with some quickness, he'll give you "a little" outside rush
no counter moves, he can't play against the run

basically, the consensus is, he can either excel as a designated pass rusher
or he has to prove that he can play pass coverage which would allow him
to be used as an outside linebacker in a 3-4

some scouts have compared him to Dumerville, Cliff Avril and Robert Mathis
all undersized guys who exceled as pass rushers

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I am the biggest eyeballing stealth perv in the world, as all men are, and so these guys' fears are hilarious considering what women go through most of their entire lives ("looking", etc.)

How is a man not to think someone they know is gay isn't checking them out in the locker room when as straight men we know 99% of the time that if we see a good looking woman (or even just a halfway decent woman for that matter) in the gym, store, walking, in a magazine for example, we're looking. Some looking a lot harder than others. lol. So why is it that someone would tell a straight man "oh that gay guy isn't checking you in the shower" as if a gay man is somehow different in how they check out what they like? That's just the one question I have to so many people who seem to put that kind of notion out there.

but in this case, it's ONE guy. Compared to a lifetime of what women go through (I cannot believe I just typed that), it ain't shit.

Plus: bet five this dude will be the most professional lockeroom guy in the history of lockerooms. Bet five.
Nice avatar btw.

Straight men act like their dicks are fucking catnip. Trust, an out professional football player would have plenty of options. Dude, would have all kinds of strange being thrown his way. He would not have to look in the locker room for some.

regardless of what his options are

generally, str8 men don't have to fear that the str8 women they ogle and harass will haul off and clock them for ogling and harassing them. but plenty gay guys DO fear that the (str8?) men they want to ogle or harass may respond w/swift physical action. so, it's a bit different at least in that respect.

also, you str8 guys generally don't get access to a lot of nude women up close and personal. like, you haven't been around nude women in women's/girl's locker rooms since you were in jr high. if you had such access as an adult it would be new to you. you might not know how you'd react or you may think you'd react like http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/9/8/6/9/4/7/bulging-wolf-eyes-53261667490.jpeg or http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XRdx-5-Brl4/hqdefault.jpg or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbUpGoOjFWw b/c you haven't had that experience. us gay guys, especially those of us who've played sports since we were shorties, have PLENTY experience being in locker rooms full of nude dudes. it's not new to us. we've seen it before. we're a bit over it. so we can expect to act like we have some god damned sense when we're around nude dudes in locker rooms.

maybe this stuff doesn't occur to the average str8 guy when he hears that he'll be around gay guys in a locker room. but, think about it.

the logical flip side of that worry seems like something along the lines of "look, if a woman i'm attracted to was to shower in my proximity, we'd pretty much have to have sex, or i'd rape her."

like one out gay man in the shower suddenly turns bathing after practice or games into fkin shawshank.

attractive women is not a good look and a piss poor argument for keeping gays out of the showers.

but i see it all the time.

I don't really think straight men are saying that they can't control themselves. It's just that they look at what they like. Sometimes a little too much and a little too hard. That's all. I mean I know I'm guilty of looking at the butts of women when I'm in the gym albeit in a sly inconspicuous way. lol

the idea that you ppl lack the ability to control yourselves makes you look sad and doesn't mean gay guys should be kept out of showers. it means you ppl need better hometraining.

walkin through the locker room rock hard.... it's laughable, what do they really think is gonna happen?

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every scenario i've read is like a scene out of a cheesy gay porn.

but never reminds me of my actual real life experiences in locker rooms.

shit, what's the point then?

>shit, what's the point then?

and he was a 5 time champion.

"Distractions" you say?

>and he was a 5 time champion.
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>"Distractions" you say?

that's just... bizarre.

haley also had bipolarism and probably a few other undiagnosed mental illnesses at the time, if that matters.

you just contradicted yourself in that one comment.

Its not a big deal, but I can understand someone saying they are uncomfortable. As a man (as was stated by some one above) I know that me and prob most men are absolute dirt bags that gawk or at the very least steal glances at women constantly through out our day. NOT ALL MEN. BUT A LOT OF US. Even some times with women we're not attracted to at all. Now 90% of us would never act on any impulses nor do or say anything inappropriate. But we assume (possibly wrongly) that a gay male would do the same but to men.

Clearly they have the same impulse control we do so even if they did looked I dont think the concern is OMG what would happen they gonna make a pass at me! But its more so a comfort level of knowing there is a possibility they may look.

For example...
*totally illogical made up scenario* LOL
lets say my gym had coed showers, but I know the only women who went to my gym were 88 yr old grandmoms coming there for physical therapy. I can honestly say I wouldnt be attracted to them or even want to look at them in the shower. If anything I would be uncomfortable & try to avoid even accidentally looking. But by the same token I wouldnt feel offended if they still felt uncomfortable by my presence. Or even if I did feel offended by their opinion(like WTF why would you think I want to look at you) I still cant change the way me being there makes them feel.

So for me its like whats the big deal... If you ever showered or was naked in a mens locker room at any point in life more than likely it was in front of a gay person, you just didnt know it. BUT I dont like the whole "if a person says they're uncomfortable with it they are automatically a homophobe & hate monger" message that Ive been hearing in the media lately.

I have been exposed to nude dudes in locker rooms since I was12 yrs old. It is not novel for me like you having access to a coed locker room would be. So my energy in a locker room isn't what you're imagining it is. It's not a veritable smorgasbord of dick to ogle. It's nothing, really. I'm very used to it.

well.. to a degree it kinda was but I totally understand your point. My thing is that its less about if you look and more about how a hetro dude may feel. Just like you said:

>It's nothing, really. I'm very used to it.

But your average hetro dude is not used to being naked in a shower with a man he knows for a fact is homosexual. He just isnt. So I think there has to be at least a little bit of understanding during that adjustment period. Not making excuses for them & saying they shouldnt change and evolve in their view and feelings, but its not realistic to think everyone should view it as something they are already used to encountering, when its new to them. Ppl should help them through the growing pains & educate them like with some of the things you have said in this post. Instead of just "your uncomfortable? HOMOPHOBE!" (Not saying you do that but that opinion is all too common.)

i hear you.

and this shit we're discussing is the very definition of 'homophobia'. it's literal fear of the gays. in this case, fear that the gays will ogle dudes in the locker room. LOL

FUCK ALL OF YOU.

its legit.

put it like this & ive said the shit before. im straight. i like women. born w/ vaginas.

if you put me in a locker room of the fattest pastiest women on the planet & had em soaped up & rubbing their pussies IM GOING TO LOOK.

period.

doesnt MATTER if i wanna bang em or not. i might not EVER say a word in a flirtatious manner to em. but am i thinking? HELL yes! am i looking? HELL yes! because I like women! heres women! butt nekked & sweaty.

nobody in their right mind would say allow me into the womens locker room because it would make the women in there feel uncomfy.

well whats the difference here?

is this guy gonna be salvating over every cock he sees? of course not.

but is he GOING to like some of what he sees? HELL yeah! hes gay! thats what he likes! in fact i'd imagine hes gonna like a LOT of what he sees as the guys in the locker room are in premium physical condition

so when ppl say its gonna fuck up the scene in the locker room...thats legit.

sorry gaydies.

cry abt it tho.


does it even matter?

2. See #279.
3. Get over yourself.

i wont cop a plea or use the 'but my step cousin is gay!' line

this shit is legit.

*I* dont care as i think everyone wants me gay straight male female etc

but im not talking abt me for once


does it even matter?

>i wont cop a plea or use the 'but my step cousin is gay!'
>line
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>this shit is legit.
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>*I* dont care as i think everyone wants me gay straight male
>female etc

but don't nobody want you, nigga. damn you dense as hell lolol

>but im not talking abt me for once

but you made it...ABOUT YOU.
>

SMH

i like titties. if i'm in a locker room full of titties i'mma notice them. i'm not gonna oogle or make a scene or say anything. matter of fact...it would probably make me uncomfortable to know i want to do something as natural as look at the titties, and know that i couldn't or wasn't supposed to. BOTH parties would be uncomfortable that's why they don't let titties in the men's locker room now.
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not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

that in general gay men are totally different in their way of checking out guys versus the way straight men check out women? It's no big deal, there are no other thoughts (no actions) of "I wouldn't mind hitting that" etc etc like us seemingly immature straight men? Just trying to clarify.

i don't know what locker room you are in where this is
not the protocol.

the only time this is NOT the rule is in a bathouse.
and even then, men keep their hands and eyes to themselves
unless they are interested in doing something more.

gay men won't be looking at you in locker rooms
for the same reason ppl don't make eye contact in elevators.
it's just not done.

it's never been done.
the point is ridiculous.



>that in general gay men are totally different in their way of
>checking out guys versus the way straight men check out women?
>It's no big deal, there are no other thoughts (no actions) of
>"I wouldn't mind hitting that" etc etc like us seemingly
>immature straight men? Just trying to clarify.

LOL @ that being the ONE PLACE in the whole joint where sex doesn't go down. everyone in there is about getting dressed and getting out of there - either to leave the bathhouse or to go into the bathhouse to play around. but there's no sex in the locker room. in fact, i think there's a rule against it in the locker room. LOL

i never thought about that before,
but that is dead ass true.


>LOL @ that being the ONE PLACE in the whole joint where sex
>doesn't go down. everyone in there is about getting dressed
>and getting out of there - either to leave the bathhouse or to
>go into the bathhouse to play around. but there's no sex in
>the locker room. in fact, i think there's a rule against it
>in the locker room. LOL

do you think there will ever be a point at which you're like "eh, whatever.."

do you think men in villages where breasts are always exposed are drooling?

>do you think there will ever be a point at which you're like
>"eh, whatever.."
>
>do you think men in villages where breasts are always exposed
>are drooling?

do we have no culture?

is it not part of our shared culture for ppl of the same sex to share locker room space?

LOL

this is cultural, homie.

what makes you think gay men are not aware of these rules?
actually, gay men are not HYPER-aware of these rules.

the shit you are talking about would start a fight, and you know it.

they might not even react to every pair they see, but they notice. and most pair they notice and immediately don't even care about. but just cause you see topless women all day long, doesn't mean your gonna be any less attracted to a perfect pair of titties.

gay guys in the locker room....we're not saying there's going to be a reaction of any kind or that you care, but you're gonna notice. well either you're going to notice or you're going to try extra, extra hard not to notice.
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to guarantee success, act as if it were impossible to fail.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

b/c you know our experiences better than we do based on your fantasies as opposed to hearing us tell you about our reality.

so since you know everything, go on w/that shit.

but the answer is - THE LATTER. sheesh.

but you know us better than we do.

there will be no looking. but i still don't think its natural not to want to look, but its something you do outta survival.
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to guarantee success, act as if it were impossible to fail.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

> well either you're going to notice or you're
>going to try extra, extra hard not to notice.



nobody is trying to get hit with a pipe wrench.
nobody is trying to start a fight.

the best indication that there is a gay dude in the locker room
is that there is a dude trying to avoid all eye contact,
not putting himself in a position where he can accidentally see (or be accused of looking at) another man's dick, and trying to get the hell out
of potential gay bashing environment as soon as humanly possible.


i am exaggerating because i want to make a point.
i am not afraid of locker rooms. but the experience is the opposite of what you are saying.

the horseplay, the glancing, the towel snapping...
that's shit straight men do. we want no part of it.

but in a perfect world you'd be allowed to notice the same way i'd like to notice all the breast in the locker room. but the world isn't perfect and you guys have to live your life in a way that's still palatable to society. but if you didn't have to live that way, you'd be free to be as natural and oogling as you wanted to be.

>> well either you're going to notice or you're
>>going to try extra, extra hard not to notice.
>
>
>
>nobody is trying to get hit with a pipe wrench.
>nobody is trying to start a fight.
>
>the best indication that there is a gay dude in the locker
>room
>is that there is a dude trying to avoid all eye contact,
>not putting himself in a position where he can accidentally
>see (or be accused of looking at) another man's dick, and
>trying to get the hell out
>of potential gay bashing environment as soon as humanly
>possible.
>
>
>i am exaggerating because i want to make a point.
>i am not afraid of locker rooms. but the experience is the
>opposite of what you are saying.
>
>the horseplay, the glancing, the towel snapping...
>that's shit straight men do. we want no part of it.

and that stuff....to me that's white people stuff. in all the locker rooms i've been in, its always been a level of business. but i went to school with a whole bunch of Black people for the majority of my life, so there was no towel snapping or teabagging or any of that other stuff.
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to guarantee success, act as if it were impossible to fail.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

or the one with the special breasts.

either way i'm sure its something they just accept, but that's cause its a male dominated society.
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to guarantee success, act as if it were impossible to fail.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

that makes "get over it" an acceptable answer to you?

and wtf are you talking about special breasts??

>that in general gay men are totally different in their way of
>checking out guys versus the way straight men check out women?

you are thinking about this checking out issue from the perspective of a 12 yr old boy who is fantasizing about how he'd react if he had access to the girl's locker room. i'm saying that for gay guys, YES, the way we act in locker rooms is not that way. b/c we've had several yrs of experience being in locker rooms around naked guys. it's not novel like it was when we were 12 yr old boys.

>It's no big deal, there are no other thoughts (no actions) of
>"I wouldn't mind hitting that" etc etc like us seemingly
>immature straight men? Just trying to clarify.

you know what i think about in the locker room? how my work out went. what i want to work on next time. what i'm having for dinner. how cold it is outside. what i'm going to watch on tv when i get home. how quickly i can get dressed and get out of there. how much i don't want to be seen as a creepy guy leering at other guys in the locker room. whether i should wash clothes when i get home or whether i can stretch my clothes out for a few more days b/c i'm tired.

etc.

i'm more likely to be actively checking guys out when i'm outside a locker room. like on the street. or on the L. or other spaces where i'm living life w/o being naked and vulnerable.

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to guarantee success, act as if it were impossible to fail.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

bless your heart.

what the fuck am i supposed to do?!

*not* look?! thats just ridiculous.

im gonna try to not ogle but i mean SHIT! look @ her! shes amazing!

now me looking makes HER feel some kinda way which is legit. i shouldnt be in there

i dont see a difference but ill also cop to being hella ignorant


does it even matter?

i have been in a locker room when a guy i was attracted to walked in to undress. more than once. several times, actually. not a dream - real life. like, for real real, not for play play.

i didn't ogle the guys. why? b/c i have been socialized not to do so. b/c i had already checked them out in the gym when we were both dressed and didn't get the kind of feedback that made me want to follow-up by checking him out in the locker room. b/c i was not a 12 yr old boy who had never been around a naked hot guy. b/c i didn't want to be creepy. b/c i really just wanted to go home and rest and eat. b/c i was more concerned w/getting dressed and getting out of there than i was with seeing what those guys look like naked. b/c my checking him out would've made everything weird for both of us, potentially.

again: i do more checking out of guys when we're both dressed and out and about in public or elsewhere than i do in a locker room where i feel vulnerable.

and he said he won't let himself be attracted to teammates because it may be uncomfortable for them
how do you stop yourself from being attracted to someone? lol
like isn't that the whole conundrum with homosexuality
that dude know he be peeping teammates and just holding it in, smh
he said he dated another Missouri athlete but just picked one that didn't play football
so basically that bol attracted to athletic men. hmmmmmm
thing is he should be allowed to be attracted to who ever he pleases
but keep it real. don't try to insult our intelligence like physical attraction is now some thing you can consciously turn on and off if it's a teammate or not

it's like telling basketball players not to date the cheerleaders...

they be fuckin tho...

this is all i'm saying. not saying its right or wrong, but as humans...we all feel the same things. whether you suppress them, and don't allow the feelings to linger you still are either feeling it cause you like it, not feeling it cause you don't, or suppressing it.
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to guarantee success, act as if it were impossible to fail.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

but if you KNOW a guy is gay, folks are gonna be more suspicious of him,
and he's gonna make sure he doesn't do anything to make teammates
think he's checking them out

first off, you've been in the locker room with gay men before.
but i bet you didn't notice they were gay.

because all men are socialized the same way.
we keep our distance from each other in general.
that rule is magnified 100 fold when we are naked.

in fact, i have been to places that are explicitly marketed
as gay hook up spots, and dudes STILL keep their hands and eyes to themselves
unless the receive some kind of invitation to make a move.

so this idea is quite frankly, ridiculous.


i have never, in my life,
been to one of these locker rooms that
had dudes oogling or even looking at one another.

gay men don't even make EYE contact like that in bathhouses
unless they are interested.
i am wondering what certain straight ppl think is going to happen in a lockerroom.



this argument reminds me of the post a while back
where folks were talking about
how they chose to be straight, because they make it a point
not to look too long about naked dudes they see in a lockerroom,
and make sure they don't think about those images later.

i mean...

huh?

i walk in my gym & im FORCED to look @ the old saggy assed white men w/ their balls out, how can you NOT they are like allergic to towels.

now my look is disgust BUT! if i was gay? im sorry i think i'd be like ok...nice pacakge, Ted from accounting.

my face would stay stone blank but shit, im gay! heres cock! imma look

i cant believe im having this convo but oh well


does it even matter?

>now my look is disgust BUT! if i was gay? im sorry i think i'd
>be like ok...nice pacakge, Ted from accounting.

that's bc YOU'RE a perv.

and you prolly wouldnt get much play so it kinda makes sense why you think this way..

youll have to take my word for it, hell im straight & damn near a kept man soooo

Whoooooaaaa it ain't my faukt

the guy that is averting his eyes from everybody and trying to get out
of the locker room as soon as he possibly can?

yeah. he very well might be gay.
that's been my experience.
you might be able to pick him up outside or something.

to the extent that i have noticed guys glancing at my junk,
it has come from the straight dudes.

gay men are not trying to get into a fistfight over some nonsense.
middle school conditioning is real.




>i walk in my gym & im FORCED to look @ the old saggy assed
>white men w/ their balls out, how can you NOT they are like
>allergic to towels.
>
>now my look is disgust BUT! if i was gay? im sorry i think i'd
>be like ok...nice pacakge, Ted from accounting.
>
>my face would stay stone blank but shit, im gay! heres cock!
>imma look
>
>i cant believe im having this convo but oh well
>
>
>does it even matter?

LOOKING at your dick?

homie...maybe he aint gay...but he aint straight either.

imma leave it alone on that note


does it even matter?

picture yourself as a queer kid in middle school.
what is the one (1) thing you want to avoid getting caught looking at?

oh yeah. dicks.
i ain't have no "oops, i saw your dick" moments.
i was too busy trying not to advertise the fact that i was queer.

i would have FANTASIES about those "oops, i saw your dick"
moments... and apparently i wasn't the only one because
there are porn sites devoted to playing out fantasies like that.

but all that towel snapping, horseplay, flashing dudes and glancing shit...
that is something that is almost entirely in the straight man's domaine.

gay men are trying to avoid problems in the locker room.
ain't no "oops" moments.


i can probably count them on both hands.



>LOOKING at your dick?
>
>homie...maybe he aint gay...but he aint straight either.
>
>imma leave it alone on that note
>
>
>does it even matter?

not that we're the ones out there torturing gays b/c of our homophobia, but we do limit ourselves and curtail our behavior b/c we are afraid of the homosexual that lurks in us and what will happen if it's discovered at the wrong time. that internalized homophobia impacts the way we act in locker rooms. well, i'll speak for me and not all my gay brethren. but, yeah...i act a certain way in locker rooms largely b/c i've internalized that phobia and don't want to be accused of doing the wrong thing or making someone uncomfortable or worse.

it's an element these guys are missing when they talk about how they'd act if *insert hot bodied porn actress here* walked in a locker room. or how they'd act if they had access to a coed locker room. they wouldn't have that internalized homophobia informing their behavior like some of us have. they don't know.

you're naturally attracted to men and man parts. in the locker room you can't enjoy or be comfortable around what you're naturally attracted to, but its not cause you necessarily don't want to, its because you can't or its not safe to do so. no one is saying you react, and you probably turn it off, but your natural inclination (whether you act on it or not) is to notice what you're attracted to.
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to guarantee success, act as if it were impossible to fail.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

>you're naturally attracted to men and man parts. in the
>locker room you can't enjoy or be comfortable around what
>you're naturally attracted to, but its not cause you
>necessarily don't want to, its because you can't or its not
>safe to do so. no one is saying you react, and you probably
>turn it off, but your natural inclination (whether you act on
>it or not) is to notice what you're attracted to.


so now, even though we don't look... don't touch... and don't react...
it's STILL natural for heteros to feel uncomfortable in the locker room
because in a hypothetical situation, we might be inclined to
holler at them outside the locker room if they swung that way?


i mean seriously...
come the fuck on.

i can't read this as anything other than a "get over yourself" moment.
and i say that with respect because i can tell you aren't trying troll me.
people with different sexual orientations exist.
sometimes, in locker rooms.

seriously, heteros can get over it.
it ain't that deep.

or Sam in this situation.

i'm not talking about the heteros, i'm talking about the discomfort of the persecuted, or something like that.

i don't look at penises in the locker room cause i don't want to. you might want to, but you feel as tho it isn't safe to do so. same with the example of me in a locker room with a whole bunch of naked women. i'd want to look. i'd notice there were a bunch of titties all out, but i wouldn't be as excited cause i'd feel uncomfortable not to offend any of the women in there. and not because of physical harm or danger reasons, but because unless there's a specific sexual desire or attraction, oogling titties would be wrong. so i'd do my best not to sit there and stare. but....i would notice there were a whole bunch of naked women around me, and i would love to look at what i notice.

i'm not even sure what lead to that point, but that's the point i was trying to make.
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to guarantee success, act as if it were impossible to fail.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

but after you've been there hundreds of times over dozens of years you would get over it.

you
would
get
over
it.

as we have.

when i was 12...yes, it was difficult. b/c i was beginning to come to terms w/feelings i'd just begun to admit to myself. and having all that naked boy flesh in my face everyday in the locker room was hella uncomfortable. b/c i wanted to look but couldn't look. b/c i was afraid of what'd happen w/in me if i looked or what they'd do to me if they caught me. so i struggled w/that. when. i. was. a. 12. year. old. boy.

AND ONE MORE TIME FOR THE UMPTEENTH FUCKING TIME I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THIS:

it is not the same for us as you ppl ***************IMAGINE**************** you would act if you could see nude women in their locker rooms. b/c we've been there already. us seeing dudes in locker rooms is not a big deal any more. even hot ones. not a big deal b/c we've seen the shit already. over and over. it's not the same thing. so all of this "natural" bullshit you're trying...no.

but, again, you know everything, Mr. Thomas. so please, tell me more about my experience. and then tell me what i'm going to eat for dinner tonight. and what color drawers i'll wear tmrw. b/c you know everything.

There's no end to the porn available online do you think I get tired of looking at it? Of course not!

I could have just looked at the best pair of titties every created. Bring some more out guess what I'm gonna do? Look! Because that's how it fucking is.

You keep saying it's about the gay dude in the situation we ain't talking abt how *yall* feel we are saying how we as straight men would feel knowing you around because *we* know how dudes are!

And you say you're not a 12 yr old still? Bullshit! Yes you are! We all are! It's part if being male! I guarantee you if I told a good fart joke right now in person to you you'd laugh! Yes you would! It doesn't matter how mature you are or how much moneys in your 401k. We are all children inside, including women...including you.

Now I'm saying bring the gays into the locker room. Idgaf! But there are men for whom an out gay dude would be an issue, just as it'd be an issue for a straight man to be in a woman's locker room. How that one straight man feels is immaterial! He's hella outnumbered! Same shit here.


does it even matter?

get the fuck over yourselves.

and that's the realest real answer, of course, b/c we gainin on ya. hell, we done already gained on ya and is all up in ya locker rooms. getting dressed. ignoring your fat asses. while you're all caught up in your panic about somebody checking out your limp dicked, utterly undesirable selves. as the fuck if.

go lie on somebody's couch and work that shit the hell out. b/c it's all in ya minds.

does it even matter?

>get the fuck over yourselves.
>
>and that's the realest real answer, of course, b/c we gainin
>on ya. hell, we done already gained on ya and is all up in ya
>locker rooms. getting dressed. ignoring your fat asses.
>while you're all caught up in your panic about somebody
>checking out your limp dicked, utterly undesirable selves. as
>the fuck if.
>
>go lie on somebody's couch and work that shit the hell out.
>b/c it's all in ya minds.


GO IN LOLOL

they gays in here talking "oh he won't be checking out his teammates, he won't be attracted to any of them" is some bullshit and they know it.

But so what?(no pun intended)

Any straight dude that has every been to a Bally's, Club Fitness, or any other kind of commercial gym has been in a lockerroom and showered around gay dudes and you usually know who they are. You know they're looking but as long as it ain't a prolonged stare or they ain't ask to wash your back its no big deal. Be discreet, learn how to use a towel and get your ass in and out of there. Dudes that saunter around the lockerroom butt naked, dicks swinging are suspect to me anyway. For some reason it seems like 90% of the time its the really old or really fat dudes that do that anyway, lol.

but hey.
how would i know about this shit better than you?



>they gays in here talking "oh he won't be checking out his
>teammates, he won't be attracted to any of them" is some
>bullshit and they know it.
>
>But so what?(no pun intended)
>
>Any straight dude that has every been to a Bally's, Club
>Fitness, or any other kind of commercial gym has been in a
>lockerroom and showered around gay dudes and you usually know
>who they are. You know they're looking but as long as it ain't
>a prolonged stare or they ain't ask to wash your back its no
>big deal. Be discreet, learn how to use a towel and get your
>ass in and out of there. Dudes that saunter around the
>lockerroom butt naked, dicks swinging are suspect to me
>anyway. For some reason it seems like 90% of the time its the
>really old or really fat dudes that do that anyway, lol.

we were roommates. 1 of them is str8 and very handsome - classic good looks. the other is gay and very handsome - we had been FBs the year before we were roommates. i was attracted to both of them before we were roommates.

after we became roommates i stopped looking at either of them sexually very soon. when i saw them walking around in their drawers i mostly thought about things they did that annoyed me - like leaving their dirty drawers on the floor in the bathroom after they showered, or not washing their dishes, or leaving cigarette ashes in coffee mugs, or playing their music too loud, or bringing in a string of sex partners through the apartment at all hours of the night...et al. our intimacy as roommates killed my desire for either of them sexually.

i can imagine it's the same w/teammates. i've been on teams w/guys i found attractive and experienced something similar - our intimacy as teammates diminished my desire for them. b/c i saw them as whole ppl and not just sex objects for me to ogle. and the more i saw of them as whole ppl the less i was into them - especially true where it was clear i didn't have a shot w/any of them. and especially since i had access to other men w/whom i did have a shot. so i was not interested in lingering in thought over guys who didn't want me b/c i was too focused on getting w/those guys who did want me.

i imagine Sam will be in that position as he was in college. he will get to know his teammates intimately as teammates which may diminish any attraction (unless it's mutual). and since he will possibly/probably be swimming in dudes who want to hit that he is likely to be uninterested in wasting time pining for guys who he can't have when his world outside the locker room most likely will be populated w/guys who will line up to get fucked.

>we were roommates. 1 of them is str8 and very handsome -
>classic good looks. the other is gay and very handsome - we
>had been FBs the year before we were roommates. i was
>attracted to both of them before we were roommates.
>
>after we became roommates i stopped looking at either of them
>sexually very soon. when i saw them walking around in their
>drawers i mostly thought about things they did that annoyed me
>- like leaving their dirty drawers on the floor in the
>bathroom after they showered, or not washing their dishes, or
>leaving cigarette ashes in coffee mugs, or playing their music
>too loud, or bringing in a string of sex partners through the
>apartment at all hours of the night...et al. our intimacy as
>roommates killed my desire for either of them sexually.

Its not a secret that becoming familiar with somebody by living in a house with them and seeing them everyday can diminish your attractiveness to them.

I bet Jay is looking at Bey walking around naked right now and thinking "this bitch get on my damn nerves!"

Its not quite the same as being in a locker room with 52 other dudes that you've never seen naked before, I'm pretty sure out of the 52 there going to at least be a few that he finds attractive.

>i can imagine it's the same w/teammates. i've been on teams
>w/guys i found attractive and experienced something similar -
>our intimacy as teammates diminished my desire for them. b/c
>i saw them as whole ppl and not just sex objects for me to
>ogle. and the more i saw of them as whole ppl the less i was
>into them

And that may be true over time he well get use to them and they will get used to him and eventually it will be no big deal but that will not be the case initially going in.

>- especially true where it was clear i didn't have a
>shot w/any of them. and especially since i had access to
>other men w/whom i did have a shot. so i was not interested
>in lingering in thought over guys who didn't want me b/c i was
>too focused on getting w/those guys who did want me.

Again I call bullshit, hetero men and women ogle and have "lingering" thoughts all the time about people them know they have no shot with whether they are celebrities or people they see everyday. Gays are no different.

>i imagine Sam will be in that position as he was in college.
>he will get to know his teammates intimately as teammates
>which may diminish any attraction (unless it's mutual). and
>since he will possibly/probably be swimming in dudes who want
>to hit that he is likely to be uninterested in wasting time
>pining for guys who he can't have when his world outside the
>locker room most likely will be populated w/guys who will line
>up to get fucked.

Again, I say you're full of shit. It goes back to the old saying that "just because you're not going to order anything doesn't mean you can't look at the menu". I'm sure he had some teammates in college that he was attractive to and probably will in the pros. As long as he is respectful around them they will be respectful with him it will not be an issue and they will probably learn a lot from each other.

But from what I take from the whole matter is that us straight men are terribly immature and pervs while gay men have none of the perv-ish thoughts we have. Like the example with being around roommates for so long that you never think of them in a sexual manner and all that. Hell, they have to be better than us straight guys then. Cuz I shared a house with 6 women (from Spelman and Clark Atlanta) for 2 years back in my college days in the 90s and tho we were all good friends, I had thoughts of screwing every last one of them. Even the one I didn't even think was cute. Though I never acted on it because I never wanted them to spoil it for me when I was bringing home a girl. I'm still close to all of them btw, but I still think man why didn't I smash that back then? lol

So I've come to this

Either

A) The gay guys in this post are far more mature and have less raging hormones than 99% of the straight guys I know.

or

B) The gay guys in this post are lying.

It very well may be A), but if that's the case they've enlightened me on something I never knew.

i'll take C.

and i would still smash one of those roommates now that we are not roommates. but while we lived together i was not attracted. i found that odd but it was true - at the time i did not want.

that's not snark, btw.
hetero dudes sometimes bond by asserting how hetero they are.
in this case, they are understating how respectful they'd be
if they grew up in co-ed locker rooms their entire lives.

posit themselves as walking gonads. all glandular and nothing else. like it's a real struggle for them to not just wild out w/their cocks out at any given time. b/c their only interest is sex sex and sex. as if this is how they are deep down inside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVN1Apz45AE and they work HARD to quash the impulse.

not all of the str8 OKP dudes talk like this but it happens. some of them doing it in here have done it in other posts.

"if you are a woman you have no one to blame if you arent having sex."

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12336793&mesg_id=12336793&listing_type=search

women explaining their view and a bunch of guys unable or unwilling to empathize
because that's not the way they think, ergo, the women must be lying

>
>Either
>
>A) The gay guys in this post are far more mature and have less
>raging hormones than 99% of the straight guys I know.
>
>or
>
>B) The gay guys in this post are lying.
>
>It very well may be A), but if that's the case they've
>enlightened me on something I never knew.
>




that's an exaggeration, but not really.
b/c that's what most of us probably feared in middle school locker rooms.
at the very least we feared creeping out all of our peers and friends.

again, it's not something you've ever had to deal with.
you won't get it.

But I think you're the first in here to seem to say in an indirect way that while you may be in a place with guys you find attractive, you know the unsaid rules of the place and would adhere for sake of keeping peace or being a team guy or what have you
while I see other points from folk implying that if they're around someone so much (even if they initially were attracted to them) they can turn that switch off pretty easily which makes some of us straight guys question whether there are more differences between gay and straight besides what you're attracted to because I'd bet most of us straight guys have never seen any guy be able to turn the switch off and on when it comes to attractions. I'm not talking about taking action on what you find attractive, just attraction in general.

That's what seems confusing to us straight guys. I mean maybe it's not for us to understand. I can see that too. But talking with bro-in-law, he's just a regular guy who happens to be gay. He'll talk about guys like us straight guys talk about women. Sometimes it's a little too much for me and I have to say um, talk to your sister about that but that's just him being him. But on okp I get something seemingly different. That's why all the questions came up.

>But I think you're the first in here to seem to say in an
>indirect way that while you may be in a place with guys you
>find attractive, you know the unsaid rules of the place and
>would adhere for sake of keeping peace or being a team guy or
>what have you


a few other dudes said this as well,
but i'm glad it came through.

as for this...



>while I see other points from folk implying that if they're
>around someone so much (even if they initially were attracted
>to them) they can turn that switch off pretty easily which
>makes some of us straight guys question whether there are more
>differences between gay and straight besides what you're
>attracted to because I'd bet most of us straight guys have
>never seen any guy be able to turn the switch off and on when
>it comes to attractions. I'm not talking about taking action
>on what you find attractive, just attraction in general.
>
>That's what seems confusing to us straight guys. I mean maybe
>it's not for us to understand. I can see that too. But talking
>with bro-in-law, he's just a regular guy who happens to be
>gay. He'll talk about guys like us straight guys talk about
>women. Sometimes it's a little too much for me and I have to
>say um, talk to your sister about that but that's just him
>being him. But on okp I get something seemingly different.
>That's why all the questions came up.




i think what you typed might be a little bit of posturing.
but to the extent that gay dudes are better at "flipping that switch,"
my guess would be that it comes from the unique position that gay males
are placed in during puberty.

***what follows may only be applicable to me, and not the other gays, but it's my theory***



that is, during the time when you are most horny,
you are surrounded by male friends, and you have feelings for them
that can never be reciprocated.

I think (but don't know) that this is different from what lesbians
experience, because girls are socialized to be more touchy/ feely anyway.
so really, the experience of having a straight crush that you fear can
litterally destroy every friendship you have is pretty painful...
and more uniquely lonely than the "typical" straight male experience.



as a result, gay dudes learn pretty quickly how to shut down
the experience of pining for a straight male. both because
it's an impossible pipe dream, and because it's psychologically self destructive.



that's why I think you have queers in this post with all of
thise "as if" responses you were talking about.
to be honest, heteros that feel uncomfy around gay men in the locker room
can fuck off.

not only did we accept hiw to fall n line with the male code years ago...
(hands and eyes to yourself)
not only did we learn from experiences that straight crushes are impossible,
(and have learned to instinctively stop them before they start)
but now some heterosexual want to exile us from existing in the places that they are?


stop it fam.
i promise, nobody is checking for you guys like that.*


*and that last line might be a bit of queer pride, a reaction to the fact that at one point,
we did pine that way, and it only led to saddness. so fuck it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/11/michael-sam-shirtless_n_4767493.html

and his agent said San Diego would be perfect because they already have a gay OLB

always gotta question TMZ's descriptions

but it's gonna be a loooong summer if there are a bunch of shirtless videos at clubs.

The drag shows ive been to in Dallas have been crazy diverse in terms of gays, lesbians and straights co-mingling.

how many views this gon get?

he needs to maintain an aire of professional as it pertains to this kind of stuff
running up in the league on some it's raining men steez is only going to reinforce the stereotypes cats going put on em from the gate

is it the small market or them powder blue jerseys?

that whole fake girlfriend thing ended up being a male friend of manti's
in the end they said manti didn't know but that was extremely suspect given the circumstances
wouldn't be surprised if that's what his agent is alluding to

but that shit is a little suspect IMO.

If I was Manti I would be pissed... dude finally gets past his drama and now they want to rehash it and pair him up with a gay LB.

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ie not that smart
and his teeth/mouth gross me out

I was dying.

thought it was just me , dude look like he sucked his thumb into his teens
no comment

This has thoroughly entertained me during this stormed up Georgia day.

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Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated.
Coretta Scott King .

http://instagram.com/casethenupe

The visual is killin me lol

Sam's father took the news hard. He said he was eating at a Denny's restaurant but had to leave after receiving the text.

"I couldn't eat no more, so I went to Applebee's to have drinks," Sam Sr. told the newspaper. "I don't want my grandkids raised in that kind of environment."

LOL

nygga went and got fuked up IMMEDIATELY

he wrong for texting that ish lol


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Dallas Heatvricks BACK 2 BACK CHAMPS!!

>"I don't want my
>grandkids raised in that kind of environment."

here's where that quote came from, btw:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/sports/football/for-nfl-prospect-michael-sam-upbringing-was-bigger-challenge-than-coming-out-as-gay.html?_r=0

If anything his dad's reaction shows how their relationship really is and why it was best to tell him that way

“I’m old school,” he added. “I’m a man-and-a-woman type of guy.” As evidence, he pointed out that he had taken an older son to Mexico to lose his virginity.

WNBA, u.s. women's soccer/hockey/everything-- tons of gay chicks in the locker room, have yet to hear one of the straight ones complain about the terrifying possibility of being ogled. tons of gay dudes been in NFL locker rooms; again, zero complaints. but if we KNOW they gay, it's gonna be TOTALLY DIFFERENT. get the foomffwtbs.

like, it's 2014. gay ain't a mystery. you ain't gonna catch it unless you want to, G. grow up already. if the dude can play, he gonna play. if he can't, he gonna get cut. worry about your own roster spot. act like a professional, have some respect for your coworkers, and go do your job. i have zero tolerance for this kind of childishness from grown-ups. millionaire grown-ups. GO. DO. YOUR. JOB. and real talk if a gay dude looking in your direction is your worst nightmare, you prolly gay, so you might want to look into that, player.

oh, and to these GMs crying about locker room disruption... if an openly gay dude in your locker room is enough to bring the whole house of cards down, your organization is garbage and your coach is terrible and should be fired immediately. you're paying him millions to lead your team and keep your players in line. if you're worried he can't do it, find someone who can. guarantee this would be a non-issue if dude got drafted by the steelers. tomlin. rooney. non-issue.

Its not a big deal in WNBA and soccer because most of them are gay.

Women also have less problems saying a woman is pretty or kissing on other women after a few drinks.

one of the reasons she stopped was because she was tired of being constantly harassed by some of her teammates. A lot of those studs are more aggressive than dudes and get away with it because they're "women"