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I would have tried to fle too, but once that dude hit my window with that helmet, his ass would have been talking to Tupac.



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i'm not any of these dbags team.

I'm sure he would have been happy to let the police handle everything when he was baited to rear-end that motorcycle at the start.

But once they surrounded his car, he had to get the fuck out of there.

If the bikers weren't acting like goons, none of this would have happened.

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MANHATTAN — A gang of two dozen motorcyclists bashed in the window of an SUV and pummeled its driver in front of his wife and 2-year-old daughter after a harrowing chase in upper Manhattan Sunday afternoon, cops said.

The driver of a black Range Rover was going northbound on the Henry Hudson Parkway near 125th Street about 2 p.m. when he was swarmed by dozens of motorcyclists, according to cops and a dramatic 6-minute video taken by one of the motorcyclists with a helmet camera.

The 33-year-old SUV driver, whose identity was not released, rear-ended one of the motorcycle riders, sparking a round of anger from fellow riders who surrounded the SUV and slashed its tires, an NYPD spokeswoman said.

The driver hit the gas, plowing into three other motorcyclists in the process, police added. The video shows the SUV bucking as it plowed over the machines and kept driving.

The motorcyclists gave chase — tracking the driver on a winding route up the Henry Hudson and onto the exit to the George Washington Bridge, where one biker yanked open the driver's door to the SUV before the driver took off again, according to the video.

Sources said the SUV driver called 911 from inside his vehicle and told cops he was surrounded by motorcyclists who were driving erratically.

The bikers finally cornered the SUV after it got caught in traffic on 178th Street near St. Nicholas Avenue, according to cops and the FDNY.

A motorcyclist can be seen on the video pulling off his own helmet and repeatedly slamming it against the driver's side window while other bikers surround him and begin to do the same before the video cuts off abruptly.

Cops said the bikers smashed open the SUV window and pulled the driver out before slashing him in the face in front of his terrified family.

The SUV driver, who lives in Manhattan, was treated at Columbia Presbyterian for two black eyes and given several stitches, sources said.

An FDNY spokesman said they got two calls Sunday for a "non critical injury" at 125th Street and the Henry Hudson Parkway, and another for an incident at 178th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue.

Police said there have been no arrests so far in connection with the incident.

Theres no way im putting my 2 yr old & girl in that much danger -- weavin in & out of traffic & runnin random niggas over...dude is a total prick

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kill all those fuckfaces, shame none of them died when he ran them over.

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but at the same time it's all the rider's responsibilities to ride in a group and not be total ass holes. i've been on group rides and we did some shit that made us feel invincible and thinking back on it it was pretty fucking stupid/dangerous/unnecessary. but driving over people is crossing the fucking line. the only group rides i do now are with my club and other than that i'm solo because a group of people on motorcycles, especially young dudes, is gonna stir up some shit somehow somewhere
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>but at the same time it's all the rider's responsibilities to
>ride in a group and not be total ass holes. i've been on group
>rides and we did some shit that made us feel invincible and
>thinking back on it it was pretty fucking
>stupid/dangerous/unnecessary. but driving over people is
>crossing the fucking line. the only group rides i do now are
>with my club and other than that i'm solo because a group of
>people on motorcycles, especially young dudes, is gonna stir
>up some shit somehow somewhere



The driver of the SUV was at fault for trying to get away from a bunch of rowdy ass-holes that tired to invade his vehicle. I'm sure that he didn't mistake anyone's efforts as valet parking. I'm sure that he was trying to protect his family.

Man I almost hit a biker this weekend when that bastard almost swerved in front of me on the I85/I75 connector. Traffic was dense and moving at about 60 mph. Next thing I know here comes 4 bikes doing 85 mph while weaving through traffic. I had to speed up to prevent this dumb ass from cutting in front of my and causing an accident.








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>Man I almost hit a biker this weekend when that bastard almost
>swerved in front of me on the I85/I75 connector. Traffic was
>dense and moving at about 60 mph. Next thing I know here comes
>4 bikes doing 85 mph while weaving through traffic. I had to
>speed up to prevent this dumb ass from cutting in front of my
>and causing an accident.

..maybe i read this wrong, but how was speeding up gonna prevent an accident?


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>
>>Man I almost hit a biker this weekend when that bastard
>almost
>>swerved in front of me on the I85/I75 connector. Traffic was
>>dense and moving at about 60 mph. Next thing I know here
>comes
>>4 bikes doing 85 mph while weaving through traffic. I had to
>>speed up to prevent this dumb ass from cutting in front of
>my
>>and causing an accident.
>
>..maybe i read this wrong, but how was speeding up gonna
>prevent an accident?
>
>



I had to close the gap between the car in front because if dude had tried to make it between my car and the one in front I would have hit him by accident. I couldn't hit the break because there was someone would have hit me from behind. Basically speeding up and closing off his aggressive behavior prevented an accident.

>I had to close the gap between the car in front because if
>dude had tried to make it between my car and the one in front
>I would have hit him by accident. I couldn't hit the break
>because there was someone would have hit me from behind.
>Basically speeding up and closing off his aggressive behavior
>prevented an accident.

if there's at least a car length btwn you and the car in front of you, how would you have clipped the motorcycle?

*for the record, the motorcyclist was clearly reckless on the road, but i'm just trying to understand how you deciding to speed up was a solid course of action.


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Do you even drive?


>>I had to close the gap between the car in front because if
>>dude had tried to make it between my car and the one in
>front
>>I would have hit him by accident. I couldn't hit the break
>>because there was someone would have hit me from behind.
>>Basically speeding up and closing off his aggressive
>behavior
>>prevented an accident.
>
>if there's at least a car length btwn you and the car in front
>of you, how would you have clipped the motorcycle?
>


Because even at a car length he would not have made it.


>*for the record, the motorcyclist was clearly reckless on the
>road, but i'm just trying to understand how you deciding to
>speed up was a solid course of action.
>
>


I prevented an accident and we both parted ways and he was still living.

I made a call and it worked. You had to be there. it was 4 bikes and cars were weaving too, trying not to hit them fuckers.



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>Do you even drive?

i drive and ride. plenty of experience doing both (in atl too). i was simply trying to get a better understanding of the situation based on what you described.


>>if there's at least a car length btwn you and the car in
>front
>>of you, how would you have clipped the motorcycle?
>>
>Because even at a car length he would not have made it.

again, dude was obviously riding recklessly, but i don't see how you would've clipped him if he's:

accelerating at a higher rate of speed
has at car length (or more) to work with

*i questioned about tailgating because you said you closed the gap.

dangerous situation all around. happy to hear everyone made it home safely.


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>>
>>Do you even drive?
>
>i drive and ride. plenty of experience doing both (in atl
>too). i was simply trying to get a better understanding of
>the situation based on what you described.
>
>

It was all messed up.

>>>if there's at least a car length btwn you and the car in
>>front
>>>of you, how would you have clipped the motorcycle?
>>>
>>Because even at a car length he would not have made it.
>
>again, dude was obviously riding recklessly, but i don't see
>how you would've clipped him if he's:
>
>accelerating at a higher rate of speed
>has at car length (or more) to work with
>
>dangerous situation all around. happy to hear everyone made it
>home safely.
>


Man I hate these bikers in the "A". They drive so reckless and I try my bets to avoid them for their safety.

I be like "Where are the motorcycle police when you need them"


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..regardless of skill level, everyone seems to think they're a better driver than most

truth is: most people are horrible drivers.



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>..regardless of skill level, everyone seems to think they're
>a better driver than most
>
>truth is: most people are horrible drivers.


Well in the ATL, everyone is a horrible accept the person talking...LOL






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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

while his child & girl is in the car

..you don't cut off a range and then hit the breaks on the westside highway


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what gave him the right is he had a bunch of fucking assholes acting like they were gonna fuck him up over an a simple accident that the biker caused...

are u fucking kidding me?

they lucky he didn't kill their ass on the highway...

and i still wouldn't been that mad at him lol

Once that biker touched the SUV door, all best of respect were off.



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but you can see the commotion right after the fender bender...

dude didn't just get spooked...he had a shit ton of obviously asshole bikers stopping traffic and impeding him...

it was clear what was happening

I didn't see a bump and the video is not clear on the fact. Still, the once the door was touched it was on!



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he bumped him in the first minute and a half but i was the rider's fault who basically got in front of the range and braked

then the range stopped...

so did every motorcycle out there...impeding the range and everybody else...

people are acting like dude got spooked...but when you get into an accident with one person and 30 stop and block you in...im wondering why these niggas is really thinking it was about to be a simple exchange of information...

then at the end when they were off the highway...the rider grabbed for the door

read the swipes above bc your timeline is fucked

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i've been in that situation. riding like an ass hole in a group and then blaming other drivers for not watching out for ME as i blew past them at 100mph. and i've also been in the situation when one of the guys i was riding with did some stupid shit and we jumped off our bikes ready to do some damage (and come to find out it was the fault of the guy in our group). i've also had people cut me off and then wave at me to apologize.

i'm saying that AS A RIDER my first instinct is to say "fuck that driver" and i'm sure that as a family man your first instinct is to say "fuck those riders". it's blame on both sides. that's why i don't ride in groups like THAT (in the video) because some shit always goes down because riders tend to have that mob mentality.
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AT ALL?

him riding around like an asshole is why he got bumped...why the driver stopped...and then when them niggas continued u to act like assholes...

"FUCK YOUR BIKES"

them bikers are lucky he didn't decide to go action hero and start ramming them fuckers into the median

You could argue whose fault the initial was (it was the biker's fault).

But everything afterwards was entirely rational to me. It was obvious that the bikers weren't going to resolve the situation in a civilized way, so he had to do what he had to do to protect his family

>i've been in that situation. riding like an ass hole in a
>group and then blaming other drivers for not watching out for
>ME as i blew past them at 100mph. and i've also been in the
>situation when one of the guys i was riding with did some
>stupid shit and we jumped off our bikes ready to do some
>damage (and come to find out it was the fault of the guy in
>our group). i've also had people cut me off and then wave at
>me to apologize.
>
>i'm saying that AS A RIDER my first instinct is to say "fuck
>that driver" and i'm sure that as a family man your first
>instinct is to say "fuck those riders". it's blame on both
>sides. that's why i don't ride in groups like THAT (in the
>video) because some shit always goes down because riders tend
>to have that mob mentality.


The whole thing was preventable. The Bikers should have been more safe in their riding. But that Mob Mentality + Invincible Ego is dangerous.



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When they say "What's yo name?" we say "WHERE YOU FROM?" when they say "Whatchu say?" we say "COME GET SOME!"

But the fact that you've owned a bike for ten years?

God you're a shitty human being

Since you want to get into name calling you rat faced pussy.

If you read my replies never once did I say the bikers were in the right. They were wrong. Totally wrong. But AS A MOTHERFUCKIN OWNER OF A MOTORCYCLE AND RIDER MY FIRST<----can you see that dumbass--- INSTINCT IS TO SIDE WITH THE RIDERS. Just like...oh I don't know...how folks jump on the "fuck the police" bandwagon instead of thinking "hey...maybe that guy that punched him deserved to get handcuffed". But since you have mental capacity of a frozen turkey you don't get that. So shut the entire fuck up and keep doodling on your yellow sticky pad at your desk fucktard.
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When they say "What's yo name?" we say "WHERE YOU FROM?" when they say "Whatchu say?" we say "COME GET SOME!"

..while it appears that the driver of the range panicked after the initial incident, its fucked up that he was cut off by a motorcyclists who proceeded to hit the breaks in front of him ('causing the accident).

everything that happened after that is all around fucked up.


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Dude please!


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i imagine some type of conflict resolution was underway after the initial incident.

it might have spooked the driver of the SUV, but being spooked aint really justification to kill people.

you know how many people in the world are scared over some bullshit?

so if they get spooked, freak out, and run shit over, it's ok?

nah.

he got spooked.

i doubt the motorocycle gang would've wanted to do anything more than get some info - hear a sorry or something - maybe even a punch to the face. but not a murder.

plus there was a child in the car. that would've sobered everybody up.

the biker cause the lil bump

then they caused a scene...

then the driver was like...FUCK THIS...IM OUT

dude had zero positive endings to this story

edit: why would he stop and then panic smhlol

i'm convinced some shit happened before (and after) the camera started rolling.

none of that shit matters

we saw them driving like assholes...

we saw him drive in front of and brake in front of the range...

we saw them impede him from getting out/getting over

we then saw him roll over a couple bikes

and then we saw them continue to be assholes...

and there is no reason to think anything happened before that

what is on yall bird yo?

you can see them pass several cars driving the same way before they even get to the range smh

i'd be pretty pissed too.

he coulda been driving like a straight bitch before the camera started.

honking people out, yelling and carrying on.

based on his actions, he doesn't seem like most level headed individual.

they could've been responding to the clear likelihood he could've been behaving irrationally.

really, you don't just run people over.

and what nigga with his kids and shit aint gonna spaz out when a bunch of obvious assholes is acting like assholes?

got any other baseless assumptions to make off one decision?

is smart...gotchu

we should be able to come to a conclusion/solution with all parties being okay (or able to deal) with the outcome.

i'm operating like that until it seems that i've lost control.

what were the bikers gonna kidnap the child and rape the wife?

at the point where the rover spazzed and bowled the bikers over, there were probably only words exchanged.

i could see the biker smashed the window at the beginning of the tape. THEN The bamma can plow over the bikes and people.

it's like a bitch ass mutha fucka pulling out a gun cause he aint want (too scared) to fight a fight.

or something like that.

you can't just run people over in the middle of a conversation.

well, you can - but you some shit for that.

i cant even make u see reason lol

u adding all types of extra plotlines and everything

smh

how that work out with u and ya boy getting arrested the other week?


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But 15+ nyggas hopped off they bike with the intent to fuk dude up

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>based on his actions, he doesn't seem like most level headed
>individual.


Honestly, it sounds perfectly reasonable. They don't call it the "fight or flight" response for nothing. He knows he can't take on dozens of dudes by himself, so you might as well try your best to get the fuck outta dodge.

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and all this speculating is just that. You can't say that dude in the range spazzed first or not. From the film though we see cats harassing and then stopping in front of him.
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according to the tape.

u just are giving a benefit of the doubt through bias

assuming assholes riding around like that are reasonable

if you box me in after a fender and you and your crew surround and impede me...

doesn't matter if it's kids on bigwheels...

you mean business lol

trying to brake hard in front of dude to get him to stop, which he had no right to do.

You're not the authorities, you got no right to force a confrontation or impeded my progress. And you know dude only did it cause he had 20 of his friends with him at least who would back him up.

If he was just some lone schmuck by his lonesome, I'm 99% sure he wouldn't have pulled that garbage.

You put me and mine in danger, then it goes the same for you and yours.


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i would see that as semi-warranted at worst after that shit

smooth sailing?

....like MiracleRic said earlier, what's the difference getting your ass beat on the freeway versus a neighborhood street?

In the very beginning of the video, you see the bikers harassing him and his family. You try to get your family to safety, period. You're not gonna reason with 30 dudes already showing aggressive behavior who are gonna be even more aggressive cause they know they are rollin' 30 deep.


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attitude.

or, 30 minute detour.

his family was not gonna get murdered.

and I regard my safety and my family's safety more than some asshole's right to hurt me or my family or our property.
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the suv. reginald denny should have done it in LA. any time you are dealing with a mob, emotions tend to boil over. if i have my wife and kid in the car and i think we are all in danger, i'm doing whatever i can to protect them, even if it means killing someone. those bikers were in the wrong from the time they decided to go out and ride like that, basically clowning and fucking with people because they felt empowered by their numbers. that's called being cowards.

but I'm not convinced that the driver didn't have some existing tension simply because there were so many of them.

i can see being intimidated. there did seem like a lot of fucking bikes.

but an alternative could be to avoid that road. pull over, wait for the mob to pass.

i also don't think it's cool to paint a 'mob' picture of the biker group. just cause there's a lot of them doesn't mean they are looking for trouble. and that they start off 'in the wrong'.

i know,i know. bikers be lunchin. but they really don't want to fuck their bike up so property damage is usually minimized.

just a lot of shit talking.

>but an alternative could be to avoid that road. pull over, wait for the mob to pass.

just say you like bikers

cause the rest of the riders should have kept riding bc dude clearly stops...

how is he gonna pull over when they are surrounding him?

u like bikers...cool

but we never did shit like that, like we actually were out to ride and have a good time, not fuck with people. i don't have much if any sympathy for people doing shit like those cats were doing. i also know people can be regular decent people, but when they assemble in large groups the asshole/mob mentality comes out, and anyone targeted by them is in real danger.

There were cars backed up 80 blocks

that's not an exaggeration.

even some of the outer borough highways

but the west side for 80+ blocks is crazy

someone at one police plaza getting their ass kicked right now.

There was a parade of bikes shutting down streets in BK too. With that and Atlantic Antic, 'twas impossible to get anywhere on time during the day in Brooklyn. It took those bikes at least 20 mins to pass my building, I timed it because I was trying to watch the game in peace without revving motorcycle engines drowning out the quiet, so I paused it.

If you have dozens of bikers around you, and they're pissed at your driving, and your wife and kid are in the car? APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. No fucking way you're escaping a gang of bikers in your Range Rover. Don't be an idiot, just do what it takes to get your family out of there safely.

Obviously I'm on neither "team" here, as the bikers were assholes but plowing a couple of them in some sort of shortsighted "escape plan" is not only dangerous but also the dumbest imaginable response.

>If you have dozens of bikers around you, and they're pissed
>at your driving, and your wife and kid are in the car?
>APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. No fucking way
>you're escaping a gang of bikers in your Range Rover. Don't be
>an idiot, just do what it takes to get your family out of
>there safely.
>
>Obviously I'm on neither "team" here, as the bikers were
>assholes but plowing a couple of them in some sort of
>shortsighted "escape plan" is not only dangerous but also the
>dumbest imaginable response.

i love how assholes become cool as long as you apologize...

dude clearly stopped and they were literally surrounding him

smh

responsibility for whatever happened prior to the film rolling.

the driver probably thought 'these animals can't be reasoned with'

im going to escape this situation by treating them and their property like a road bump.

and where the fuck was he going to go???

the father of that family is/was some shit.

cause u adding ALL KINDS of extra shit to this...

they wasn't paying dude no mind til one asshole oops up on him...

look at every account of what happened and look at the actual video and u see they are riding around like that and had basically just tried to avoid the cops earlier

yall wild

he gotta go toe-to-toe with a hundred bikes.

he aint know the annual road rally bike festival was comming through town?

he stopped...on purpose even...THEY WERE ON EVERY SIDE OF HIM

was on the phone with the police and then when shit stopped looking good...pyern

if you talking about before they even rode up on him...then basically u just #TEAMASSHOLES bc he shouldn't have had to pull over...it's not like he assumes they are going to fuck with him

im sure he didn't just leave his driveway/garage/parking spot and immediately started getting harassed by bikers.

assuming something happened beforehand...

who cares?

u simply don't treat people like that and if you do...

be thankful u have breaths to take and leave it be

>i love how assholes become cool as long as you apologize...

Perhaps they don't. But they'll probably be a hell of a lot cooler than if you run over some of their posse.

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they were swerving through traffic like that past numerous cars...

one of the riders got a bit extra reckless and got bumped

u like bikers and dislike nervous range rover drivers

and pretend like range rover driver aint worried about property damage considering his shit cost 10 as much smh

as soon as some of them were run over.

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every possible outcome. surrendering to a mob is also a horrible idea, he was at minimum getting a bad assbeating, bikers are hyper defensive/aggressive when someone damages one of their bikes, regardless of who's fault it is, his "escape plan" wasn't so bad, but he should have immediately called 911 and described his situation and not exited into an area where there would likely be traffic.

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dudes in NYC.

Cycle dude stopped right in front of the range to get him to stop.

All traffic stopped except for the white van that got a pass...


Dude sitting surrounded and can't move with his family in the car and then you see another dude get off his bike and walk up to your car while you are pinned between bikes




Yep the gas pedal will be pressed.


We ain't really bout that talking bitxh we bout that action....

on Hillside Ave and they came and blocked all the traffic on there as well. She said they were doing tricks on Hillside for 10 min before the cops came and they all took off to get on the Van Wyck. I imagine the range rover incident happened right after this.

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Everyone has been buzzed by a group of bikes before.

It only takes a few future closed-coffin residents to ruin it for everybody.....

Honestly....the only way I see a bike as a viable option is......

If you're in one of those commercials.

It's REALLY not appropriate for "urban" settings at all.

dude on the bike is barking at the guy in the Range while he's riding. then he gets in front of him and makes him stop. the biker with the camera goes a little farther up but you can still see the guy on the bike is off his bike and on the drivers side trying to get at dude. then he takes off. and i love how they conveniently stopped the video at bashing the window in like that's all that happened.

bikers clearly in the wrong here on multiple levels. having small children myself, i would have done the same thing. matter of fact they wouldn't be chasing me down the highway. i'd have swerved and took em all out.

>matter of fact they wouldn't be chasing me down the highway.
>i'd have swerved and took em all out.

lol

at that point what were his options? they were following him and trying to block them in...before that dude basically stopped in front of him

the fact that my child was in the car would've upped my chances of running them over from 75% to 115% lol

AND i'm in a truck??! fuck that...that's just one of those situations where you just gotta do what you gotta do. i'm not talking to anyone and i wouldn't dare risk trying to reason with any of them....the only reason i would halfway consider doing so is because i'm a woman, but if i were a dude i wouldn't even bother

and whoever posted this video is dumb as hell. Is this supposed to help them or something?

It's funny though lookin at the people in this post say they'd surrender off the break

And what? Get dragged out of the car and beat for nothing?

Fuck that. If I'm gettin beat anyway I'm running over a few niggas first.

I'm a bike rider too and I can fully admit those bikers were being assholes

then shot directly over to the 26th precinct

All of you dumbasses saying you would've done the same thing as the RR driver how did that plan of action work out for the moron? Bottom line you're not getting away in a range rover from a pack of 100 bikes. Sometimes in life you gotta take that L so you can live to see another day. Sometimes in life it's not about right or wrong it's about survival.

I would've been apologizing in my best Kanye interview voice for bumping the nigga that break checked me and hope that them niggas would've given me a pass. Also it's obvious that the RR driver was at the very least honking his horn and refusing to yield prior to the video starting. The bikers were probably tryna intimidate other drivers off to the side and dumb brave RR driving ass nigga was on his "nope, not me, not today!" shit; which led to tensions escalating to the point where they surrounded him and all hell broke loose

>Also it's obvious that the RR
>driver was at the very least honking his horn and refusing to
>yield prior to the video starting. The bikers were probably
>tryna intimidate other drivers off to the side and dumb brave
>RR driving ass nigga was on his "nope, not me, not today!"
>shit; which led to tensions escalating to the point where they
>surrounded him and all hell broke loose

Now cats is just making shit up. None of us knows what happened prior to the video starting. This is all make believe.


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You think they randomly chose that 1 RR to single him out and pick on him? And please understand I'm not saying what they did was right, but I'm not getting into a pissing contest with a pack of 100 bikes on the west side hwy just because I should rightfully be allowed to drive in peace

Which is why I'm only going by what's on the video. And yeah, it's possible they did pick on one dude. Why? Cause inevitably, when you are rolling that deep, you're gonna have at least one asshole in the group taking it too far precisely because he is crewed up.

or it could have been that they were riding in formation and he didn't pull over fast enough for their liking. And yeah, most of us have been buzzed by a few bikes before, but 20-30 muhfuggas? I would have just maintained my speed and stayed in my lane to cats can go around. But with a group that thick, who knows what they wanted.

But we don't know, so I don't think it's fair to make up scenarios and judge on them as if they're written in stone.


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Do you think his reaction that we see on video (running over multiple bikers like its GTA) could indicate that he had a confrontational attitude prior to what we see?

we see bikers on multiple sides of his vehicle clearly talking/yelling/confronting dude, then one dude willfully gets in front of the left of the land rover and breaks HARD.

While looking the other way at that.

We then see bikers clustered around the vehicle. I think he was scared rather than confrontational, as I would be if i were surrounded by a dozen angry dudes.

And trying to reason with at least a dozen angry dudes by yourself ain't gonna go well. Especially when one of them braked hard in front of my vehicle cause he was so intent on confronting me that he stopped his bike too quick for even an expert driver to react.

What was said before then, who knows. But 30 on one ain't right any way you cut it.

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>we see bikers on multiple sides of his vehicle clearly
>talking/yelling/confronting dude, then one dude willfully gets
>in front of the left of the land rover and breaks HARD.

Now ask yourself why are they confronting him? They probably were like don't you see us outchea? Why aren't you pulling over like everyone else?

>But 30 on one ain't right any way you cut it.

Once again it ain't about right or wrong when you about to get your ass whupped!

So yes, they likely "randomly" decided to fuck with this guy, as likely as he did something to antagonize them. I've been mugged and shot at(2 separate incidences) by people I have never met or spoken to in my life. The only "reason" for their crimes being directed at me is simply because I happened to be the person there at the time they felt like committing them.

..I'd be with you..but why did they give all the other cars a pass and focus on RR?

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I'm sure that something along these lines happened. All I'm saying is that wouldn't have been me. I might curse them from inside my car but I'm letting them ride on and living to see another day

It's all his fault.



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But my point is how should RR driver react to best extract himself from this situation with the least amount of harm done to himself and his family

Like did you see the dude walking up to the RR the first time. He was not coming to throw a flag on the play.

And once a few get off, the rest would have gotten off and it would have been pandemonium.

When it doubt RUN!



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..but that's where the Kanye interview voice comes in..I would've also backed that up with the disarmingly dulcet tones of Drake playing at a comfortable volume as he approached my window..maybe we could've hugged it out and gone swangin' for some vanilla ice cream with sprinkles and a candied cherry on top afterwards

Makes me think about getting a fake Police Badge.

That would have come in handy...



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something of the like, I'm not slowing down on the damn high way.

To expect someone to pull over because there's 100 bikes trying to go by ain't happening in my world.

Not saying the Range driver is right....


Good thang this happened in a place where handguns are illegal cuz had it been atlanta, I'm lettin' shots fly out the sunroof.

..you're not the only 1 with a gun. So you and your 1 gun v. 100 niggas who might also have guns

Running for his life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JY65HhvF-8

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I would have done the same thing.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

when they reach a certain speed like 5 or 10 mph.

I've never been in a car that did that.

I would have locked my doors in this instance, but in general there is only downside to locking the doors of a car you are driving. Locking the door provides virtually no safety benefit, but can be a huge liability if you are smashed up and in need of aid and a samaritan can't get inside your car.

lock when the car is in motion.

I have been wondering why my car does this for yeeeeaaaarrrss

Funny

glad everyone is alive


no one did anything to minimize the situation

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the dude from Humans of NY is right:

"..." And you expect that every time you bump into someone on the sidewalk, or have any sort of confrontation, you should be ready to fight. In reality, you should probably just apologize and try to enjoy the person's company.""


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438620/Shocking-video-Range-Rover-crashing-bikers-surround-vehicle-annual-street-ride.html

come to think of it, it's true they are very scarce on the Westside HWY, on the FDR, on Harlem River Drive, on the Cross Bronx, the BQE, the Deegan, everywhere really.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/191s99nd4ao7fpng/original.png

I wonder if he will upload to YouTube. I'm kinda curious as to how that turned out. LOL

run up if you want to

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I wouldn't put my wife and child in danger like that, that situation could of been de-escalated from the start, his actions took it way beyond 'let's talk about it fellas'.

He is lucky that he only got a slice or two...

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How did the video get out and why?

You have to know that there is a was strong possibility of trouble when this many bikers rome the busy streets, while breaking traffic laws.


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They didn't want to blow their cover.

Others were corrections officers.

So yeah, new yorks finest, allowed one guy to get run over and paralyzed (but whatever he was a known criminal) and another to get dragged out of his car and beat badly...

had us stuck at the light for at least 10 minutes. My wife was driving and fortunately we were 4 to 5 cars away from the intersection. I told my wife at the time if that was me in the front, I would stick my nose out and make my way through the intersection.

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITT....

that woulda been my ass in the paper.

Woulda worked out for range rover guy tho.

The pic included is kinda graphic.

http://gothamist.com/2013/10/01/police_hunt_two_motorcyclists_seen.php

that's fucked up.

as easy as they throw charges at young niggas?

please.

if it was a black kid they would.

great idea.

that's wrong.

somebody slap you, you turn around and be-head them.

that's supposed to be okay?

and 100 law abiding tough guys outside trying to get in

this shit so curt n dry its ridiculous

it was overreacting bc dude intentionally stopped the driver and with the support of a mob slashed at tires and more shit

aint no over-reaction in pure self-defense/preservation

the alternative was to get his ass beat on the highway after having a conversation with them...even though all u asshats seem to think he provoked them into the encounter (which is beyond victim blaming of the 3rd kind) but then you have the nerve to act like he was the one endangering people despite the fact this crazy motherfucker just swerved in front of me on a fucking motorcycle

dude stopped...they got violent immediately...Pyern!!

they are lucky he wasn't ragey and started ramming them niggas into the median...

u dont impede someone from driving an SUV on a bike...he was using their numbers to get at dude...CLEARLY...

shit was already escalated...dude was on the phone with the cops too

man, this is ALL the biker(s) fault

when they caught him they left him fucked up on the street

I say fair is fair. Both sides were wrong but what these cats were doing was borderline illegal from the jump

None of that shit would have happened if it wasn't for this #hollywoodstuntz bullshit

he probably didn't comply and actually hit a biker.

why couldn't he just slow down so they could pass?

i'd be curious of the dialogue in his car.

what was the wifes position?

they beat the bamma in front of his baby?

...

nope, i still understand.

he plowed them bikers over.

you can't just run someone over.

the proper credentials so that their trek through New york could have been done safely?

>why couldn't he just slow down so they could pass

the streets are fucking shut down.

traffic infractions.

all them dudes didn't even have license plates. I wonder why?

that bamma should've pulled over as soon as his panties started bunching up.

gotcha Ruff Ryda

open crotch, even.

lol @ you thinking NYC is gonna approve hundreds of motorcyclist trekking through manhattan on a sunday afternoon with regular pedestrian and car traffic.

you lied...go to sleep.

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and I agree with you the driver should get some charges but that was a BIKER GANG
and they were doing BIKER GANG SHIT

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joyriding rules these boys are enforcing

I'm all for these mass rides. shit the white people do it with bicycles in manhattan all the time and it's an inconvenience a little but I dig the spirit behind it

but the biker brakes out of nowhere the driver hits the dude. they start taking matters into their own hands, and dude feels threatened

sorry dog but that's self defense in a court room all day

he didn't swerve to hit nobody malicious he fuckin peelt out before shit got too real for him using the only means he had which was the car he was driving

he coulda easily done more damage if that was his purpose

he was tyring to help the original guy that was hit, but when you roll with people that do dumb things, stuff happens.

sorry, my full sympathy goes to the man who was trying to protect his family as opposed to the guy who was part of a group that decide to drive reckless and break multiple traffic laws and disrupted thousands in the name of stunting.

if he really want to protect his family he would've kept them out of harms way.

...

and still, how did that stunt work out for him?

duh.

which is why he's not being charged...it was self defense.

happened before it rolls.

that's some very short thinking.

trying to drive the motorcycles off the road prior to that and the Biker Boyz had to defends themselves

yeah

please tell me what the range driver did that was illegal?


your arguments are getting dumber by the minute.

the driver used excessive force.

I assume he panicked and 'shot first'.
But overall, considering how they were driving, etc...
i don't know if you can call it excessive if he was going to argue he had to do it to get out of harms way.

I am knocking over every bike riding alongside me and hitting the brakes so the dummies following rear end...


Ringing up casualties left and right...

i woulda been playing gtaV

for your own PERCEIVED safety, with no regard for the well being of anyone else.

you're no different than the bikers you've been accusing.

you're not the only human living with priorities and precious cargo.

this type of thinking is not sustainable.

as the father, you should've thought bigger than that.


again. how'd that shit work out for the dude. he ended up getting drug out the car and beat down.

he did a great job protecting his shit.

that was the game changer.

just fucking aggressively attacking the range...

let's talk to this obvious mob about how no harm no foul and continue driving our own way

his car up

at what point to we agree the time to act civil is over?

tire slash, cause the car seemed like it was driving fine all the way until they reached traffic.

provided for us

and it looks pretty feasible that they were running up on his car aggressively

I would rather they fucked my car up, then the run of events that we are now all witnessing...

Paint job, tyres can get fixed, windows can get fixed vs leaving someone never being able to walk again... hmmmm


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they could have beat his ass even more. By the time he was on the side street, there were less of them and frankly, with my young child and wife in the car, that situation would be hectic.

Their buddy got bumped on his bike and they were going to make him pay.

The driver did absolutely nothing wrong.

completely legal.

the fact u keep suggesting he hit and ran earlier is not only ridiculous but stupid...

he stopped the 2nd time...why wouldn't he have stopped the first time?

and then leisurely just drive on down the highway

yall motherfuckers are making me question yall reasoning skills hard i swear

If a bunch of grown man surround u

They not comin to talk

i'm plowin' folks over.

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There chances that it might have just stopped at a tapped window and some words aren't great.

reverend or related to one or whatever.

fine time to throw religious sympathy in there.

as if we all don't know that preachers kids are the most rebellious humans on Earf.
>>One biker's legs were allegedly broken by Lien. A witness tells the Daily News, "The rider was bleeding out of his mouth and nose even though he had a helmet on. He was conscious but couldn’t move at all.” The tabloid identifies him as Jeremiah Mieses, 26, of Lawrence, Mass. His father, a reverend in Pennsylvania, said on Facebook, "My son just got out of surgery. Now we have to contend with his situation that he will never walk again."<<

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Stupidest shit I've ever read on here.

Get out and apologize...

Huh.

For real?

if I'm in the car with my wife and kid it woulda been a lot worse... I'm backing up, bumping niggas off bikes, slamming on brakes.. all types of havoc until the cops wave for me to pull over.

I wonder if these niggas are rethinking their actions or if they truly believe they are victims?

i'm trying to get that high score.

all bets is off.

this post, you have to hurt more than one person to get your point across.


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Filming the whole ride in the city like dummies. I hope they all get tickets..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ujSkztMRrs#t=61

was pull onto a street where there were lights and other traffic to block him in. I don't know anything about NY streets and highways, but I can say with 100% certainty that if that's me in the exact same situation, here in St. Louis....I'm on the interstate rolling and I'm not stopping until the cops or a State Trooper catch up with us. Shit, we'd have been somewhere in Illinois by the time the dust cleared. Nobody is gettin up on me and bashing out the glass/pulling me out of the whip at 75 mph.

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to be in the hospital parkin' lot because at that time, I'm really about to let the Range Rover let loose on some bikes.

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It was nothing but bikers behind him

i don't know man, I'm worried about us and our response to events.

stay safe out here fellas.

and if were face to face I'd buy you a brew and we could agree to disagree over a cold one. Dude had his wife and baby in the whip. Going just on what WE could see...once dude hit the brakes in front of him and caused him to tap his rear wheel...it was a wrap. They weren't coming up to his truck to exchange insurance info, man. The account said they were trying to slash tires. They were locked in on him. Wasn't no more talking. He had to get his family up out of there.

>Dude had his wife and baby
>in the whip. Going just on what WE could see...once dude hit
>the brakes in front of him and caused him to tap his rear
>wheel...it was a wrap. They weren't coming up to his truck to
>exchange insurance info, man. The account said they were
>trying to slash tires. They were locked in on him. Wasn't no
>more talking. He had to get his family up out of there.

its unfortunate the way it escalated, and I'm sure the SUV driver didn't want to run over that biker, but it was out of control, he panicked and feared for his and his family's safety.

SUV dude cause everything. fall the fuck back. be patient. let them do their thing. you ONE MAN WITH your CHILD AND LADY. YOU RAN INTO ONE OF THEM... than 3 MORE.

LOL. all you muthafuckers would've fallen the fuck back. not done shit. cause you know 30-50 dudes on bikes are probably gunna wild out

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angry, socially awkward nerds & geeks talking a whole of lot of shit that they would not do... lol


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do you all still feel the first biker was unjustified to try to stop him from continuing with a hit and run?

to me the logical course of events is kinda of what the bikers are saying...

before the video was rolling a biker gets clipped
mr range rover keeps going
biker surround him to slow him down and keep him from continuing to flee
bikers slash tires so he can't go anywhere

on and on....

not to say any of the things that escalated the situation were right but it really doesn't seem like the course of events start with the tape we see

i don't think the bikers sought out to be agressive to the driver without some kind of incident beforehand

just sayin

had the shit filming before the clip we see starts

where is the evidence, doggie?

you want to help your friends and not just incriminate them with the footage?

then



Let's go....*rubs hands* to the video tape

how is it not possible for him to not have been near the initial incident or better yet not even filming when it initially happened and turned on the camera after dude hit and run

come on... it isn't that far fetched

"I don't see no hit and run

Must not have happened"

- pretty much any judge

fam you drive in NYC you gonna see all kinds of reckless shit done by these bike riding mufuckas

PERIOD

let them start 'taking the streets' you gonna see how they get gassed up when they got the numbers on their side

them in the Range when I want to head out to the West Side Highway and start clipping bikers.

I just assume the people who are quick to place all this blame on the driver have not been around the NYC area and seen how aggressively bikers can commandeer roadways and attempt to intimidate drivers. That doesn't mean what the driver did was right at all and it doesn't mean that is what definitely happened here, but it seems much more logical that the dudes who went out to intentionally shut down one of the top 2 major highways in Manhattan were much more likely to instigate a road incident than the driver.

Further, when he found himself caught out in this situation, and they were surrounding him and his family on said highway that had been commandeered, they could have been in a much more precarious situation than when he was stopped on the side street because there were more of them, and he could have been jumped by 30, 40, 50 dudes instead of however many beat him up in the end.

to report the hit and run (if he did clip someone before the video starts rolling, which I don't think he did)

while riding on a motorcycle

again, not excusing how the events escalated....

just saying logically imo there is more to it

Assuming something happened before the video:

1. The bikers were controlling the pace and there were literally hundreds of bikers directly behind the truck. Any of them could have taken the plate number and called police.

2. Much like worldstar videos where levels heads say...why don't you stop recording and call police since you have a phone there. GoPro dude could have at any time called and reported the dude and incident.

3. The SUV came to a complete stop...while the white van creeped by and there was plenty time THEN to take a plate number.

4. After the run over, you clearly see a biker chase the SUV and pull behind it reading the plate number...

5. I doubt anything happened before based off the reaction of everyone after the initial hit. The other two times he stopped after the initial hit, their strategy to cut him off and approach the vehicle collectively was as if they had to get at dude. When he hit the dummy that stopped in front of him, only the bikes behind them stopped. The ones ahead had no clue what happened and dude that got off his bike turned to walk back before dude ran over the other bikes. I can gather from that he thought the situation would be handled and it seemed that dummy wanted to slow the other cars to a standstill so all of the other bikes could pass.

These niggas do front wheel head stands and ride on one wheel for 3 miles... but these niggas can't get a LP number?

if he clipped someone is because they were everywhere and getting in his space. you obviously didn't see the other videos if you think this was just random. they clearly don't care much for the laws. riding on the wrong side of the road, the sidewalk, running red lights, etc.

I'm also very curious as to why women will often look at a male victim of violence and think he must have done something to provoke it, whereas if it were a rape a person would be a piece of shit(rightfully) for thinking the same thing.

>I'm also very curious as to why women will often look at a
>male victim of violence and think he must have done something
>to provoke it, whereas if it were a rape a person would be a
>piece of shit(rightfully) for thinking the same thing.

and the whole time i'm on the phone with 911 screaming bloody murder...
you talking my kids and wife in the car and i'm gonna play nice with u dumb ass...
I would have then rolled up to the nearest police station and made sure I had a good lawyer meet me there.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57605406/nypd-makes-arrest-after-road-rage-assault-caught-on-tape/

NEW YORK Police have made an arrest stemming from a road rage incident in Manhattan in which, they say, a group of motorcycle riders assaulted a driver in front of his wife and young daughter.

Christopher Cruz, 28, was charged with reckless endangerment, reckless menacing and endangering the welfare of a child.

Black SUV driven by Alexian Lien, 33, is seen surrounded by motorcyclists who police say followed Lien and eventually pulled him from his car and beat him. / WCBS/FACEBOOK
The incident happened on Sunday and was captured on a 6-minute video shared on several websites. It appeared to have been taken from a camera mounted on a biker's helmet, reports CBS New York station WCBS-TV.

It shows a series of confrontations between the motorcyclists and the driver of a black SUV after it had just hit one of the motorcycles, which appeared to swerve in front of him and slow down on the Henry Hudson Parkway.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly says the collision appeared to be accidental.

Then, about 30 seconds into the video, the bikes come to a complete stop on the highway, surrounding the Range Rover.

An unidentified biker can be seen getting off his bike and walking toward the SUV as the other motorcyclists looked on.

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed there," Kelly said.

The SUV then hits the gas, plowing over three motorcyclists and leaving one of the bikers with a broken leg.


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For the next couple of minutes in the video, the bikers are seen chasing the Range Rover through Manhattan until about the 4:50 mark, when traffic forces the car to slow down.

That's when a biker can be seen running up to the SUV and yanking open the driver's side door as the driver of the Range Rover again guns the engine in an attempt to get away, knocking over a bike as it speeds off.

The bikers give chase again as the Range Rover heads into the Washington Heights area of Manhattan.

The video ends when the SUV gets stuck in traffic on a street off the highway. As the bikers surround the Range Rover yet again, one of the riders can be seen jumping off his bike, ripping off his helmet and using it to bash in the driver's side window.

A second biker can also be seen running up and hitting the driver's side rear window with his fists.

"He's taken out of the car, (and) he is assaulted," Kelly said of the driver.

Alexian Lien, 33, was treated for cuts and bruises and released from hospital after being assaulted by motorcyclists. / WCBS
Police said the driver of the SUV, 33-year-old Alexian Lien, had his wife and infant daughter inside the car at the time of the incident. The driver had called 911 to report the bikers were driving erratically, police said.

Lien was taken to a hospital where he received stitches for cuts to his face and was released, police said. He will not face any charges, authorities said.

"One of the bicyclists, he got off his bike, and he started attacking the person in the Range Rover with his helmet, breaking the windows," witness Christopher Quinones told WCBS. "And after they got him out of his car, they beat him up."

According to the person who posted the video online, the bikers were participating in an annual street ride in the city.

Kelly said it was similar to an event last year with dozens of bikers, who call themselves "Hollywood Stunts," converging on Times Square.

"This is a major stunt event where motorcyclists from various locations come together. Their ultimate goal is to get into Times Square, which they did last year," Kelly said. "Quite frankly, it wasn't on anybody's radar screen last year. We were aware of it this year."

To try to keep group from heading into Midtown Manhattan this year, police set up checkpoints throughout the city. Kelly said during that effort, 15 arrests were made, 68 summonses were issues and 55 motorcycles were confiscated.

For starters, the second they started showing aggression, I would have been on the phone with the cops- or my wife, rather, and on speaker phone. I would have turned on my phone camera and had my wife catch whatever she could on camera.

Then, if I wound up trapped like that and they started attacking? I'm going for broke and running over everyone. I'm putting that shit in reverse and plowing through that entire mob in a bad way. Let the almighty sort those cocksuckers out and pray I've captured enough video and audio evidence that the cops and judge (if it went that far) exonerate me completely.

If they can get to me and pull me out of my car, they can get to my wife and daughter and do the same to them, so I'm smashing into all of them until I can get out or until I can reach help.

THEN, I sue the fuck out of every media outlet who chooses not to exercise discretion and puts my name out there, because they just endangered my whole family.

The handful of jackasses in here talking about "reasoning" with those pricks deserve the darwin award they are bound to receive. These guys are bringing out some of the dumbest, most delusional responses ever seen on OKP.

We have visual evidence that the desperado plan has a high likelihood of not working. How'd it work out for this gentleman? So how can you be so sure that hypothetically speaking if he tried to talk his way out of trouble after the break check that it wouldn't have led to a better outcome?

Because once again we have proof of what doing things your way led to.

*waits patiently for BS my evasive driving under pressure skills are better than this guy so it woulda worked for me argument*

Which was to pop it in reverse and floor it, running everyone down.

**Awaits dumbass hippie response where you're dumb enough to believe they could have just hugged it out at that point**

It took you 40 whole minutes to do exactly what I thought you would..yea putting it in reverse would've been much better. Definite guarantee of success. You should teach a course: how to successfully navigate in reverse through a rioting pack of bikers 101. I didn't know Jeff Gordon graced our presence on these here boards

Newsflash dummy: once you can tell people are dead set on fucking you up, you can either sit there and let them fuck you up, or fight like hell to get out of there.

Guess which scenario gives you the greater chance of success? Here's a hint: it's not the one where you stand there like a fucking moron while they fuck you up.

I never said it was guaranteed or even implied that it was. It's certainly the better of two shitty options though, but you're a hippy, a bitch, and a moron who would rather reason with a guy while he beats your head in.

n/m

Challenger

you come at a person in a violent manner with their children present......

DEATH

you pose a threat to a man's wife and kid...you put him in a position where it's you or them.

maybe they aint got kids

they dont understand that protective instinct

cause just the thought of this shit makes me a little scared ...of myself

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to make sure no one was hurt in that fender bender. Stop overreacting

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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

They're too stuck on this bleeding heart hippie bullshit to see that sometimes the only recourse is to fuck someone up.

LOL@father valuing the life of some 2 bit thugs playing dress up and make believe beyond that of his family.

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they do this around my way a lot. Not in the numbers that were described in this post, but still. You'll be on the highway and a dude will just buzz by you doing a wheelie, or weaving in between cars...just dumb shit. In fact, my daughter's college roommate's older brother died this past Labor Day Weekend on a bike. Kid was out with a bunch of other motorcyclists at night doin whatever. Apparently the cops came through and dude tried to run...with his lights off. He lost control and hit a pole. He was 19.

> my daughter's college roommate's

.

Fucking 95

a mob of them trying to control traffic...then like 15 min later youll see them all huddled around somebody that just got injured. I cant even tell u how many times ive seen that happen.

Hear him tell it, they were a bunch of boy scouts out on a leisurely cruise before being brutally accosted by the big, bag, scary, villainous Asian. I mean, what else are Asians good for, if not villainy? I've seen Lethal Weapon 4, I know how those people get down!

Nah

These dirt bags played with fire and one of them got burnt to a crisp in the process. Dude really could have saved himself a beat down had he had a set of balls on him though. He likely could have mowed those pricks down wholesale and walked away completely unscathed.

as the bikers decided to take a detour on it. Don't they know it is the annual bike ride and they should have simply just waited on the side until they were done? Assholes

Total justification for the bikers to attack the pedestrian

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Mad Max, y'all.

Game over.

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Always trying to rationalize why idiotic scumbags do stupid crap like harass other folks. Have any of y'all ever been around people ever in your lives? Not every person is respectable or nice. Some people have NO problem starting with others for no reason at all. You can't always talk things out with folks. I'm convinced all of you cats vouching for those doofballs on those bikes don't have strong or any people skills. Y'all sound like the types that can't tell when a dude is at his limit and is about to take it there. You will still try to talk it out with dude while he's getting louder and louder while telling you to leave him alone. Then all of a sudden, you end up catching a fist to the mouth.

Anyone with common sense would've either driven off like the Range Rover dude did or commenced to running over those fools. Personally, I would've speedbumped them niggas. My car would've gotten a good workout with me going back and forth over them fools. I wish I WOULD try to talk it out with an angry mob. Y'all cats are being even more irrational while trying to come off as rational. I swear, this site is home of the overthinkers.


Since 1976

bikers?

but it's kind of pathetic that ANYONE would side with a mob of hooligans

>but it's kind of pathetic that ANYONE would side with a mob
>of hooligans

You must not live in the US.

...10 minutes ago.

Right.



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for all we know

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You can't regret something you don't take responsibility for.

now b.c of the attention.

pretty sure his daddy told him "you are the company you keep"

Even if you're not participating

from the post title, I assumed this was some bullsh*t, but I just saw a CNN report of dude in ER with his girl by his bedside

(if he in fact was a "blameless victim" who was trying to do the right thing and help the SUV)

Shit would have turned out a little differently for the first couple of bikers approaching my car with my family in it.

Some of y'all have lost your damned minds in here, thinking that its EVER ok to threaten someone's family.

I kinda wish this shit would have happened in Texas.

after those other videos were posted.....


You gon' live forever
Whether you want to or not
Some of us gon' end up holy
Some of us gon' end up hot.....

Chatty and argumentative as hell for the entire post, but once that got posted, they had some other shit to do, their internet got cutoff, had to visit grams in the hospital, etc.

I'd still like to know if they have wives and kids too.

>I'd still like to know if they have wives and kids too.

They just don't get it. I'd run over every single one of those bikers and go to jail before my son got a single scratch on him from one of those dickheads.

...on one wheel
---
When they say "What's yo name?" we say "WHERE YOU FROM?" when they say "Whatchu say?" we say "COME GET SOME!"

When your stupid ass gets ran over for shit like that and turned into nothing but a stack of medical bills, it will be well deserved.

I'm living to die while your ass dying to live
---
When they say "What's yo name?" we say "WHERE YOU FROM?" when they say "Whatchu say?" we say "COME GET SOME!"

Ain't nobody in here saying that the motorcyclists are not at fault.

You are all fucking stupid if you think those bikers were going to attack the child or the woman for that matter...

If you don't think that range rover didn't escalate that situation, then again you are fucking stupid. That idiot did some road rage shit that riled them other biker idiots up, you don't poke a rattlesnake...

Like someone said up above range rover panicked and that situation turned out like it did. If range rover had made a better CHOICE from the start, then bikers would of passed him by with their bullshit and he would of been alright



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but fuck them niggas.

>but fuck them niggas.

Shit, fuck Angelo for that matter.

You can't even write a coherent sentence let alone form a reasonable, valid opinion based on clear evidence exonerating him from any legal wrongdoing. How about you just shut the fuck up until you gain a minimal level of reasonability and common sense.

You can now return to your usual bullshit internet toughguy schtick where you tell me you'll slap the shit outta me from your flat in Liverpool or wherever the fuck you live.

once the idiot biker swerved in front of him and then slowed down, causing the RR to hit him, it was a wrap for RR guy, they were already slashing his tires and trying to get him out(for something that wasn't his fault). mobs don't have discussions with people, they beat people to death or near death. the situation was past the point of de-escalation at that point, he would have been surrendering his life to the bikers to do what they wanted to with it. if you want to go out like that, that's on you.

They didnt know who was in there

its not about them attacking the child as much as it is not wanting your window smashed in or tires slashed or your ass beat when your in the car with your family.

they busted that window with the child in there...that one dude was banging on the back window had he broke it it wouldnt have been good for the child

either way it doesnt make sense to stick around and see what theyre gonna do. If you got a pack of dudes around you its prolly best to get outta there.

They surrounded the car...like wtf do u think is gonna happen?? Once u do that youre pretty much putting yourself in a position to get ran over.

That dude got hit (and it was his fault) and the riders surrounded the car. Idk how it is where u are but here I think most people know that these crews that ride are real big on protecting their own. It would have been one thing if they hadnt been riding around like fools, but based on the fact that they were I wouldnt take my chances thinking they were surrounding me to collect insurance info

>Ain't nobody in here saying that the motorcyclists are not at
>fault.
>
>You are all fucking stupid if you think those bikers were
>going to attack the child or the woman for that matter...
>
>If you don't think that range rover didn't escalate that
>situation, then again you are fucking stupid. That idiot did
>some road rage shit that riled them other biker idiots up, you
>don't poke a rattlesnake...
>
>Like someone said up above range rover panicked and that
>situation turned out like it did. If range rover had made a
>better CHOICE from the start, then bikers would of passed him
>by with their bullshit and he would of been alright
>
>
>
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>girl...
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>
>
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

I'm protecting MYSELF as well.

That's reginald denny dumb naivety.


I mean your own response contains contradictions. Was it road rage or did he panick? It is a huge difference if he acted out of fear or out of anger.




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

they slashed his fucking tires after already forcing dude to stop...

none of yall have presented any alternatives...

does he just sit there and let them fuck up his car and get unpredictable like a fucking mob does???

u don't fuck with a mob...

he actually should have targeted them rather than attempting to escape in my opinion

most them niggas wouldn't have bikes and would be lucky to not also be paralyzed

u aint forcing me into an accident...boxing me in...and then expecting me to act fucking civil...what the fuck is wrong with yall?

..outside of the obvious infraction made by the motorcyclist that cut off & stopped short of the range rover, you don't know what transpired during the initial stop.

we have no audio present to detail the convo held at that point to determine anything.

the facts (presented):

two vehicles collided (motorcyclist at fault)
all vehicles stopped to address the situation
the range rover eventually fled the scene

based on the info/statements given by the drivers involved, the driver of the range rover had reason to believe his life was in danger.


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..and miles to go before i sleep...

both sides lost here
its not a simple right or wrong

its a situation that both sides made escalating judgement calls

de-escalating a situation is a skill few folks have
and very few in tense situations
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There's no return from the stupidity you spewed forth in here

What's sad is that rather than watch the SEVEN other videos posted to see how these idiots were acting and admit you were wrong, you just tuck tail and bounce.

Then again, your previous posts in here illustrate a hippie with no backbone whatsoever, so this makes sense.

the seven videos are cool to point and scream about but they still don't speak to the specific incident with the range rover.

an incident that is still being speculated.

you don't know what happened right before the clip.

you don't know what words were exchanged.

you don't know the attitude of the driver.

i'm still not understanding how you all could think it's cool to plow over people. like that shit is kinda disgusting.

oooh. you slashed my tire. you dead?

you screamed at me while im driving in the middle a pack of a thousand bikes. you dead?

and still.

in the end.

his vehicle was breached.

he got his ass whooped.

and then what happened to the family?

ooooh. "im protecting my famiilyyyyy"

them bikers aint want his family.

they wanted his bitch ass.

and they got him.

>the seven videos are cool to point and scream about but they
>still don't speak to the specific incident with the range
>rover.
>
>an incident that is still being speculated.
>
>you don't know what happened right before the clip.
>
>you don't know what words were exchanged.
>
>you don't know the attitude of the driver.
>
>i'm still not understanding how you all could think it's cool
>to plow over people. like that shit is kinda disgusting.
>
>oooh. you slashed my tire. you dead?
>
>you screamed at me while im driving in the middle a pack of a
>thousand bikes. you dead?
>
>and still.
>
>in the end.
>
>his vehicle was breached.
>
>he got his ass whooped.
>
>and then what happened to the family?
>
>ooooh. "im protecting my famiilyyyyy"
>
>them bikers aint want his family.
>
>they wanted his bitch ass.
>
>and they got him.
>
>

range rover guy: took a beating and got stitches, no charges will be pressed
bikers: at least one paralyzed(which sucks, i'm not advocating paralysis) and some likely to do jail time

if you have the bikers as the winners in this, you are a fucktard.

whole city calling them dirtbags

i think we're trying to establishing the idea of not panicking and making wise choices.

if the driver didn't panic, we'd all be typing about some other viral nonsense.

your score sheet is fucked up.

winning and losing based on a cat not being able to walk again?

the day is just sad.

why is some everyday person expected to keep his cool in a situation like that?

are u fucking serious...

clearly aggressive mob is not something u just sit there and wait out...

sure, in the end...they only put him in the hospital...oh but he escalated that...it's no telling what silence or pleading would have resulted in

it's not panicking if you put them in that situation intentionally

i woulda killed them niggas bc
a.) im well within my right to protect me, my family, and my property

b.) im not a psychic and i don't trust obviously indecent people to be only mildly destructive

dude stopped...violence occurs immeadiately...im supposed to know that it's going to end at property damage...what if another car runs into the back of us

u dont do what they did and expect to be treated like rational individuals

they didn't think he would be a complete bitch about it.

thought they'd jump out the way.

and you saying he's dumb for going for the pump fake despite not even knowing that he was supposed to be playing man defense in the first place...

that's not fake violence...trying to avoid further violence isn't bitch...it's simple reasonable reaction...

if i'm outnumbered and cornered...im not gonna give a shit how serious you actually are...im going to judge you by what you do...and what they did says...these niggas think they are invincible and are attacking me...im out

how is the driver supposed to be able to tell JUST HOW SERIOUS they are when they haven't done anything except escalate things...


if i point a gun at you...do u assume i'm only going to rob you? maybe if that's what i say...but you should be aware they still may kill you...a mob of angry bikers is a weapon...they pointed that shit right at him and yet they didn't expect him to try and get away, lol

u r in bikes...u dumbasses...as soon as he even sees a serious threat whether that's what u meant to convey or not...you become a target...the fact that he even tried to avoid hitting people shows he felt the threat was real and anyone with any sense would say the threat was real...

im not sure why u keep minimizing the threat as if those bikers were upstanding citizens who were only rearranging your car a bit...they treating your car like it's a street fighter bonus round and he supposed to just channel his sean connery spirit animal calm and be on the phone with AAA and Progressive?

>

LOL@slashing his tires being no big deal

THE FUCK YOU THINK THEY DID THAT FOR?

So he couldn't get away from them!

What, you think they were going to do a citizens arrest? Hold him til the police came?

NAH

You're either dumb as hell aor naive as fuck if you think slashing his tires wasn't a sign of aggression that gave the driver cause to fucking floor it without a thought as to who was in front of him.

You're so fucking concerned with a mob of scumbags who were closing in on dude and over the course of 8 videos showed tremendous recklessness and ZERO fucking regard for anyone around them that you've actually villified the guy for defending himself against them.

further, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW they weren't going to harm his wife and kid? Survey says.... YOU DON'T. YOU WOULDN'T.

A group men men aggressively pursues you, and you don't think it's reasonable to fear for the safety of your wife and daughter? The fuck kind of man are you if you DON'T?

FOH with this human life is precious bullshit. The safety and security of the people these fucks were mobbing through were of no concern to them, and one of them has been reduced to nothing but a burden to his family as a result. Fuck them, fuck the guy who got ran over, and fuck you for all the bullshit you've said.

for the last three days we've been typing each others face off about this. several people in this post have disagreed over the exact same thing you are disagreeing with. in our back and forths, we were never insulting to each other, or berrated each other or even out of each others name.

suddenly, you're in here at the end and decide to refer to me as a spineless bitch. like, aggressively.

i find it fascinating this is how you respond to people who disagree with you. for whatever reason.

im not offended cause, well cause - that'd be me panicking.

instead im going to put you in the same bucket as the range driver.

mutha fuckas who are likely to panic and freak out over something that should be handled with far greater care and consideration.

again.

cause in the end.

the bikers got to the driver.

they didn't kill him for whatever reason and that's actually a good thing.

it's like humanity or something.

based on how you're acting and responding. you'd be a dead man.

I would have mowed them all the fuck down, and rightly so.

Your stupid ass would have gotten out to have a chat and got bodied in the process.

See the difference?

And I'm calling you a spineless bitch because that's exactly what you are. I don't care about your exchanges with anyone else.

im sorry. it's the cold truth.

when they were chasing them...he could have literally obliterated them...

he didn't go out to hurt them...

he realized they were acting erratic and extremely aggressive after already riding around aggressively...called the police and had flight reaction to violence...

if someone is banging on your house door...are you going to sit there indian style and have a conversation with them like lil buddha?

u don't know anything about this person other than...they are reckless, aggressive, and could have 30-50 individuals mirroring his aggression if the people he rides with are anything like him...

so for u to expect him to stay calm, wait it out, talk it out...is not something people should be expected to do...it would be preferable to someone being paralyzed but considering you out here on hi-speed vehicles boxing in a vehicle 5 times your size...that risk exists bc you engage in dangerous activities....not bc "i panicked"

anybody who has ever been jumped knows there's little you do except fight or flight...they are lucky he chose fight...

it could have been a lot worse and it was them that put him in that situation...not his lack of calm...he's not a social soldier, trained and drilled in the art of keeping cool under dangerous situations...

he's minding his own fucking business trying to get away from a confrontation that has already gone unpredictable...

u bring up the fact that he still got hurt and that his family wasn't as if that was a known given fact...we don't see it end...it likely ended in the bikers fleeing the scene due to police being called for the umpteenth time that day

u don't expect everyday people to be crimefighting negotiators...it's equally as ill-advised of running through a group of bikers

do we even know that the paralyzed guy was one of the ones initially run over?

either way...you are having unrealistic expectations of that driver and minimizing the behavior of the drivers as non-life-threatening

I'm running them over with my SUV.

They're on street bikes

I win that battle going away.

You're not smart.

>i'm still not understanding how you all could think it's cool
>to plow over people. like that shit is kinda disgusting.
>
>

Nah, that shit was totally justified. Sucks that those assholes MADE the RR make that decision. That's on them.

If you stop your bike on a HIGHWAY in the middle of the day and want to play chicken with on coming traffic, be my guest. But I'm not going to play that game because YOU feel like it.

Fuck. That.

I'm out. You can go ahead and play in traffic if you want to...

Oh, you're in my way? Sucks to be you.

No sympathy.

You're acting like the bikers were well within their rights to SHUTDOWN a major metropolitan highway and put EVERYONE'S lives at risk. Really?!

Fuck. That.

MY wife and kid are in the car?

Etc. etc.

Just wanting to run a guy over instead of him just wanting to get the hell outta dodge

do u realize that this took place on a major roadway? Driving on that shit feels like youre in a video game when there arent a pack of bikes around u. I cant even imagine what was going through dudes head.

Like they aint even get a chance to pull over. U couldnt pay me to just sit on the west side highway while all of that was going on.

They took the law into their own hands and unfortunately dude is paying the price for it.

even if the RR driver clipped the wheel of a biker w/o provocation, the bikers' reaction was unreasonable. for the whole gang of them (or enough of them) to swarm the RR and then follow it through traffic was way overboard. so when the bikers surrounded the RR it makes sense that homie did what he could to get out of the situation. too bad that included running over at least 1 of the bikers.

but the bikers could've prevented all of it by not being rank assholes. even if the RR was initially wrong. they could've just taken down his license plate # and reported the wheel clipping to police. instead they decided to resort to self-help and vigilantism. too bad.

>you don't know what happened right before the clip.

who cares? we see enough and the context is pretty fucking clear

>you don't know what words were exchanged.

no reason to force me into an accident and then box me in AND SLASH my tires

>you don't know the attitude of the driver.
>

but we know the attitude of the bikers...and we know that just bc women dress a certain way doesn't make them at fault for getting raped, lol

>i'm still not understanding how you all could think it's cool
>to plow over people. like that shit is kinda disgusting.
>

bc my life+family > aggressors...common fucking sense and self-preservation

>oooh. you slashed my tire. you dead?
>

and then what? it's 30+ motherfuckers...why would i think a crazy person is just going to slash my tires...so im supposed to assume he's going to stop there and only damage my property?

>you screamed at me while im driving in the middle a pack of a
>thousand bikes. you dead?
>
>and still.
>
>in the end.
>
>his vehicle was breached.
>
>he got his ass whooped.
>
>and then what happened to the family?
>
>ooooh. "im protecting my famiilyyyyy"
>
>them bikers aint want his family.
>
>they wanted his bitch ass.
>
>and they got him.
>
>
glad he was psychic enough to know that...who the fuck sees aggressive people doing aggressive things and think that "if i just wait this out...i'd only have pay for damages...my life and my kids life aren't in danger...they are just bikers upset bc i didn't know they own this street and we'll be fine when they are done...let me sit here in the middle of the street and call the police...it'll all be over soon"

u are retarded

the road.

like his first thought.

where in the WORLD did he think he was going with all that bike traffic?

like for real?

why not pull over, like off break.

>the road.
>
>like his first thought.

That there are bikes on the road. Same thing he would think if there were cars, buses, trucks, etc. We all share the road, follow the laws and act accordingly.

>
>where in the WORLD did he think he was going with all that
>bike traffic?

The park? Out to lunch with the fam? Stomp puppies? Who cares where he's going. It's a public road.

>
>like for real?
>
>why not pull over, like off break.

Maybe he felt entitled to the road without fear of being surrounded and attacked by a lawless mob of bikers.

where's the smarts?

Please stop

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on that street that wanted to get where they were going in peace...

he very well coulda been like "man, fuck these bikers...always making noise and acting rowdy...ima stay in my lane and make them go around me"

while that would be dickheaded and not smart...

it's much more likely that he was unaware...these bikes approach quickly and most people's reaction would be surprise and maintaining their lanes...

if im chilling in my lane minding my business...where you want to go and what you want to do doesnt trump my right to maintain my lane and get where im going...

this is my point...once dude felt he had the right to the road and to stop him in it...there is nothing that can be said...

his attitude could have pissed them off...or maybe the number of bikes going fast scared him...that's his fault and he seemed to just be chillin in his lane...

they should have gone around him...and if they wanted to be the harmless asshole type you seem hellbent on painting them as...just honked or gave him the finger...not force him to stop and corner him and then attack his vehicle

his initial fear is the same feeling most niggas get when seeing a cop car on your ass...you don't pull over to the side...you try to go unnoticed and continue on with your day

he did nothing unreasonable nor wrong...there is zero way to predict what would have happened had he not ran thru the bikes

you gonna try to go downtown during the thanksgiving day parade or the race for the cure??

you gonna plow down a hoard of runners trying to do their little mass recreation thing?

no.

why?

cause it's shit everywhere, you aint going no where.

let them have their day.

find another route.

the road was clear in front of him...

u acting like that shit was on the fucking 5 o'clock news or something

that's not some official event i would keep on my calendar now would i feel obligated to give a shit...the road is still mine as much as it is theirs...

lol...u keep backpedaling further back and further back into this man's day to make him the stupid one

a.) he should've known it was biker asshole appreciation day and
b.) should have been aware of fast-approaching (from the rear) bikers
c.) should have gotten out of their way QUICKLY despite the fact that they were passing him on both sides
d.) should have calmly accepted the fact that one of the 30-50 bikers intentionally and\or recklessly engaged in an accident with me bc i didn't follow a, b, or c
e.) should have calmly accepted the slashing of my tires and the attack on my windows and doors as a storm that will soon pass
f.) shown more concern for the group that have just aggressively harassed and attacked me while trying to get away

one or 2 of these expectations...ok...maybe...but almost all of them are unreasonable "snap" decisions type of expectations

I'm sure had they gotten the proper permits allowin' them to block off access to various streets to others and yadda yadda, NONE of this wouldve occured.

This sh*t was like FreakNik '95 on motorcycles. Just because a group of muhphuckas get together every year and cause traffic to stand still doesn't mean it's OK.

but but we (they) do it every year!!!!


SO?

Goddamn you're fucking dumb

>you gonna try to go downtown during the thanksgiving day
>parade or the race for the cure??
>

Both are sanctioned, planned, and televised events with permits, sponsors, and government officials present.

A bunch of niggas on bikes is not the same, bruh.

You wildin'/trollin' at this point.

Gotta be.

they ain't know we was gone be on them streets...they own the tweets, right?

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Nigga smoked up
Was like awww them niggas just wanted to say hey buddy that's not right
Hey wait what....why is dude running them niggas over?
Not cool
Give peace a chance

U typin real calm and relaxd right now

panicky spazzers. the lot of 'em.

Ppl are crazy especially in numbers
Ive known this since high school

cause that's not spazzing...

i could see if dude was familiar with these types of things but expecting someone to keep their cool in a clearly volatile situation borders on the...i dont have any way to put it...but it's unrealistic and extremely unreasonable

if I was in that range rover and all you gung ho muthafuckers in this post was on those bikes I would run you all over GLEEFULLY...

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You'd go home and type out your fantasy scenario like you always do.

oh and you a liar. lol

You really believe those guys just wanted to put a lil scare into him, because that makes perfect sense in your stupid hippie brain. It's not you're fault, that's just how it is. You're an imbecile.

i'm frankly not comfortable with the NYPDs call of not pressing charges
(i mean its the freaking NYPD for cripes sake)

a man is paralyzed and the driver was beat up in front of his family

at the very least all parties need their licenses pulled from them for a period of time
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it was clear self-defense...

the things DZ is saying he could have done are unreasonable expectations...

the rider put him in those situations...he tried to get out of it...

someone got hurt in the process...

and then they fucked dude and his property up...

every time someone tries to victim blame...i've poked holes in the "what he should have done"

it's along the lines of chicks shouldn't wear revealing clothes...

dude did next to nothing wrong...so why is he to blame? especially since it's pretty clear evidence who the aggressor actually was...in all the situations

SUV guy should not be given a slap on the wrist but most of this is on those bike riders.

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it's either conjecture before the tape is rolling

or that he should have possessed supperhuman composure

edit: what charge should he be given?

the running over of the bikes is clearly justified by the mob mentality video, and apparently witness accounts

lmao.

legal team help me out

im cracking up.

get off the highway. like my boy just told me lol

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

i mean...if it were me and i had that many bikers chasing me...

i'm more inclined to fight than flight simply bc they are on bikes...

so yea...i'd likely just keep bumping them off the road or fucking up their bikes...(but i can see how that would be mad scary with my fam in the car)

people aint realizing dude probably had screaming women and children in the back and yet expecting dude to turn in to Jason Statham

2. annual gotdamn bike day negligence
3. disorderly conduct
4. disturbing the peace

because they forced him into that...with their dangerous operation...he didn't do that on his own...he defended himself...as the charges rightfully show

>2. annual gotdamn bike day negligence

it's niggas that live in this city that didn't even know about the h st festival...how is that "negligence" and please tell me this isn't really how you think bc it's not only idiotic but bizarre

>3. disorderly conduct
>4. disturbing the peace

LMFAO...what was disorderly? running away from vandals and criminals...nope...they disturbed the peace...he was trying to return to it

yea, u trolling or i overestimated you

i'm not a driver
but

most drivers seemed to have back up off the motorcyclists

when i'm with drivers i ask alot of questions (i really need to learn frankly)

i've been in this situation before and drivers i've been with have slowed down and just got off the highway to totally avoid the situation

esp because you have your family in the car
you want to avoid any kind of accident
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especially with a car full...

not to mention if you watch the video...they are passing on both sides...so you got something moving really fast in multiple lanes...

you really just want them to go by you however they see fit rather than risking trying to get over only to hit them in the first place....

being unaware of them isn't a crime and even though many people do get out of their way...they arent obligated to do so...typically...i let them do what they want and just make myself a predictable obstacle

ESPECIALLY when they are passing on both sides...

not everyone stares down their rear view and it's not a reasonable expectation...so if i see them on me im essentially just trying to not do anything sudden

i feel like there is no wrong way to approach it and that it all depends on the flow of traffic

Cars don't have to yield to bikers in that situation. The bikers and cars have equal right to use the road. They have to share. Cars don't have to exit to avoid groups of bikers.

routes.

if i have shinob agreeing

yall just arent being reasonable
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but don't bother

>yall just arent being reasonable


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RR guy was put in that situation
RR guy was protecting his family
RR guy panicked
Biker crew are a bunch of dicks
Biker crew spent the whole day in the 5 boroughs causing problems for everyone
Biker crew was going to fuck that guy up regardless if they caught him on the highway originally or anywhere else

I would of done the same and expected to go to jail. however I would of fought tooth and nail at my court hearing to get out of jail and go home.

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*approaches you trying to catch my breath*

glad you're here.

they treating me bad. real bad.

don't leave.

its is a bit excessive in defense of the bikers

but i see what you mean

they were wrong dude
but that motorist did not de-escalate the situation
and if i was his wife i'd be heated

did he slow down? did he have a chance to exit the highway?
my baby is in that car and if his testosterone/attitude was on high
man listen i'd be glaring at him as well
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once you stop me physically with your bike...

THERE IS NO DE-ESCALATION

you've already gone to extinction level event...

they passed him on both sides...it's not the fucking grand prix...

people are still living their lives and probably largely unaware of others assholish intentions...

the fact that people keep saying with such certainty that he should have known or he should've avoided despite the fact we have no idea how avoidable it really was...not to mention the fact he shouldn't have to

maybe he could have gotten off...but it's not way a person is thinking that maintaining his lane would end the way it did

zero

>THERE IS NO DE-ESCALATION


there is always a chance to de-escalate the situation unless both parties are dead


and this is what yall arent even trying to hear

and as a NYr who sees a man with his family
its serious asshole behavior on both sides
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>there is always a chance to de-escalate the situation unless both >parties are dead.

to think there isn't is a very bull-headed approach. and not sustainable at all.

if you want to be technical, idealist, optimistic...

yes...there is always a chance of deescalation...

but if you have fully operating reasoning skills, are pragmatic, a realist, or have experience with violence and conflict...

u realize the odds of non-violent resolution has already passed bc causing an accident is violent and risky behavior...and then you have a man slashing tires while others of his group aren't allowing me to move...

yea...lemme brush off my sam jack negotiating skills and defuse this bomb

yall are morons and i am for even arguing with yall this long

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intentionally causing an accident is like throwing a punch

why am i arguing with someone who thinks they have the right answer simply bc they are an NYer

someone who likely hasn't been in a physical fist fight...

or probably never been jumped...

if i punch a man in the face...i can expect there is almost zero chance to de-escalate without walking away being an option...

that option wasn't available after they intentionally/recklessly caused the initial accident...slashed his tires...likely had scared passengers and yet there is a legit chance at deescalation...

yall crazy period and the victim blaming is rich

i also like that you only addressed my absolute and not the rest of the response

what you basically summed up is possibly someone who wins at life
and knows how not the get in these situations

aso note someone who lived in 70s/80s/90s NY
went to high school in one of the toughest eras
lived in one of the toughest neigborhoods
during one of the toughest periods


but yes lets listen to the person who gets jumped and periodly gets arrested and gets into fights

as opposed to the person than knows how to avoid tense and dangerous situations
and maybe just maybe thinks deescalation is a skill


nah lets not be rational nor practical in our thinking
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i'm not the irrational one when its viewed properly

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the person who would know more about diffusing situations is the one who has experience in failing to do so AND succeeding...

not the person who is clearly likely to avoid those situations

but continue

>the person who would know more about diffusing situations is
>the one who has experience in failing to do so

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>i'm frankly not comfortable with the NYPDs call of not
>pressing charges
>(i mean its the freaking NYPD for cripes sake)

Let's hope they never charge him, and lets hope you never attain a position of such power.

>a man is paralyzed

Good, the biggest downside to this story is that more of them didn't wind up that way.

and the driver was beat up in front of his
>family

>at the very least all parties need their licenses pulled from
>them for a period of time

For what? Why should the driver receive ANY punishment? He literally did nothing illegal! He was threatened with aggression at every turn and acted accordingly.

i cant agree with that


this is NY
an folks are crazy


dude above (cenario? was it)
said he'd try to edge in and through
if it wasnt his wife driving
its NY we all do that
but we must understand

while we have the right of way technically

its not the right thing to do for his family in the car
also not the right thing to do to avoid an accident
he isnt blameless
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as is...he did nothing wrong

it's speculative at best saying that he COULD avoid them...

from what the video suggests...it was unlikely he could

he didn't wrong them...they wronged him...

not conceding to assholes doesn't assign blame...

it's victim blaming

theres a reason theres an aggressive driver course in NY

as the other person in the car
with my child
and i don't see you attempting to de-escalate the situation
or flat out even try to avoid?

this makes you an asshole as well
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u dont drive so ima give u a pass

defensive driving is about avoiding accidents but like i said...there is no way to tell if he could have easily avoided them....

they were clearly the aggressive drivers...

you can't be to blame for not compensating for others' aggressive driving quick enough

could he have made a better driving decision...possibly?
although why that is the assumption is extremely odd...when they can be seen approaching/passing on both sides from the start of the video

but he made a decision that was (and should have remained) harmless to the bikers and others

more victim blaming

>defensive driving is about avoiding accidents




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if there are obstacles in front, left, right, and back...how do u avoid it again?

thought so

and again...

apply this logic to women who wear revealing clothing

i already know where you stand on that issue...

so people doing what is well within their right if not exactly steering completely clear of negative attention means that they are at least partially to blame

game set match

*logs off*

see yall on the news


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Which could be why the state has declined to charge him as of now.

The charge would likely be a waste of time for the state and could anger the public. Meanwhile the biker(s) probably don't have the pull to get the state to charge the RR driver in the face of the expected negative reaction from the public. So I don't expect any charge levied against the RR driver. But I dunno NY state or NYC law related to the conduct I saw in the videos or the history of these type of prosecutions in that jurisdiction. This is speculation based on experience elsewhere.

riddled with surface insults.

like you have a base message. 'you're dumb'

and then you sprinkle in a couple of 'your stupid little hippie brain'

that shit probably sends people through the roof when you communicate like that.

it's a terrible habit/MO.

where'd you learn that shit?

you think it makes your point more substantial?

but he's right...

if i didn't already assume you were a moderately reasonable person...

i'd think you were dumb, high, stupid, or something else bc you haven't made a single cogent point without minimizing the actual threat and raising the level of expected awareness and chill of the driver

if you run through reply 389...ive summarized what your points have been and it seems straight up out of a fantasy world where everyone receives quality military level responses to violence, threats, confrontation, mobs.

Because you're an absolute jackass without an ounce of sense right now.

>riddled with surface insults.

No, not always. Not even most. They just seem to stand out.

>like you have a base message. 'you're dumb'
>and then you sprinkle in a couple of 'your stupid little
>hippie brain'

Nah, that's not the base message.

I like how you completely ignore the fact that I have largely focused on the issue at hand- like, 85% of all of my words in here stay completely on topic. It's telling that you completely ignore all of that in favor of arguing with me about me rightly calling you out for the dumbass shit you're saying. You're getting hoed out for expressing an absurd level of disdain toward a man who was in an unimaginably fucked up situation to begin with.

Further, with you being an exception, the vast majority (IE, not all, but most) of those types of interactions are with people who are slinging plenty of mud my way to boot, but people like to pretend that isn't the case. It's an inarguable fact though.

>that shit probably sends people through the roof when you
>communicate like that.
>it's a terrible habit/MO.

If someone is saying shit to the degree that I've decided to tell them how dumb they are, I'm beyond caring whether or not it send sthem through the roof.

>where'd you learn that shit?

Broken home and a horrifically bad childhood mostly, but who here actually gives two fucks about that?

>you think it makes your point more substantial?

No, not at all. The reason isn't that deep. You're saying dumb shit, like a LOT of dumb shit, so I felt like telling you. The end.


*** I will say I'll fall back on calling you names though. To your credit, despite being adamant in your position, you've been civil in your disagreements. I can't really defend that, so the best I can offer is an apology and KIM. I'm sorry, and I won't call you a dumbass or whatever any more.

apologies are cool, but what's even cooler is that i take none of it personally.

so. no harm, no foul.

that brand of mean-typing is nasty though.

and it's the type that can only come from childhood.

and so. don't give that ability to your babies. break the cycle or something.

im genuinely curious

cause i didn't see this previously but it's been made more clear if you genuinely believe most of the things you been saying in here

the points that i'm making are honest.

i sincerely believe that the situation did not have to involve significant human injury.

i sincerely believe that the rover was freaked. and freaked people do dumb shit. so it's best just not to freak.

i have a tattoo on my arm that reads 'don't panic'.

i live by that shit.

the people typing about barreling over more and more bikes to do whatever, i think that shit is sick. bad humans, all of them.

...

the trolling come in when i realized just how unpopular of an opinion i held, so i actively defended it.

my first post was probably my first and most honest point.

"you can't just run people over. "

...

him doing that made a bad situation into a total irreparable situation.

but everybody typing like he made no wrong moves.

>i sincerely believe that the situation did not have to involve
>significant human injury.

i think the way the bikers approached this made it a ticking time bomb and i understand compassion but i don't have a lot for clear aggressors

>i sincerely believe that the rover was freaked. and freaked
>people do dumb shit. so it's best just not to freak.
>

i mean...freaking, panicking, is just too human a thing in these situations though...he should not have been in this situation...they put him there...he likely had kids and a woman in his car screaming with some dude going crazy out there...



>i have a tattoo on my arm that reads 'don't panic'.
>
>i live by that shit.
>

u can't expect everyone else to...and sometimes panic be necessary lol...u gotta kid stuck under a car...panic and she-hulk that shit over...

>the people typing about barreling over more and more bikes to
>do whatever, i think that shit is sick. bad humans, all of
>them.
>
>...

i'd rather be a bad human than a vulcan trying to keep my cool when it's practically zero chance of me coming out clean, safe, and unharmed...you limit someones options like that...they will react...and if they have a bigger weapon than you...they likely will do some unfortunate damage

>
>the trolling come in when i realized just how unpopular of an
>opinion i held, so i actively defended it.
>
>my first post was probably my first and most honest point.
>
>"you can't just run people over. "
>
>...

and in theory i agree...it's the "just" part that made it so problematic...he didn't "JUST" run some people over...he stopped, and was met with violence...and volatility...you can't expect very many people to not go into fight or flight mode...im surprised dude stopped as long as he did...it's one thing to keep your cool it's another to let others intimidate you and impose so much risk over you...it was a lot of them dudes out there and they were going ham...u can't talk down a right once that first molotov cocktail is thrown

>
>him doing that made a bad situation into a total irreparable
>situation.
>
>but everybody typing like he made no wrong moves.

"wrong"

is it wrong to mow down biker...yes...

is it wrong to mow down bikers who are clearly attacking you and yours....the context practically demanded action...not words...and he was left with very few...it was truly a lose-lose and they are just lucky nobody lost their life

edit: it's like asking if "self-defense" is wrong...
you don't get to dictate how they should perceive a threat and them bikers especially didn't get to...

zimmerman using self-defense as a cop-out = wrong and a real initial investigation would have likely proven that

but someone like this seeing a threat he didn't create out of thin air or obvious ill will...it's cut and dry unless the concept of self-defense is just that wrong to you

I agree with you in that it's not ok to run people over.

But RR was forced to make a decision: Run them over to protect the fam and take control of the situation or leave it up to the mob to decide what will be done.

Humans will always choose self preservation.

The bikers were really feeling themselves and they bumped into the wrong guy with a Range Rover and a lack of fucks to give.

Sucks for everyone involved. But they were wrong. Period.

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Not sure what his involvement was but to lose your ability to walk over some utter and complete nonsense....damn.

Some other cats have broken legs. Probably won't walk the same again, either.

The driver getting pulled out of his vehicle and beaten in front of his wife and child.

Physical and emotional scars that will take years to heal. If they heal at all.

It's a shame.

Dude said a rack of 30+ BIKERS in NYC surrounded a TINTED OUT Range Rover to exchange insurance info

LMAO!!

They backed RR into a corner, with his family in the car and he did what he had to do. ONLY thing I would've done differently (since I know the area) is I would've headed STRAIGHT TO JERSEY and kept BOOKING...guaranteed transit cops and NJ troopers would've been on the scene

Getting off at the St. Nicholas and W. 178 into Washington Heights...smh

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this proves they are all assholes!


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*swipes my day away*

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According to another article in today's Times:

Detectives were looking into the possibility that the motorcyclists involved in Sunday’s episode had been trying to clear cars from the parkway — in an effort to perform tricks and ride unencumbered — when they encountered the Range Rover. The video appears to show motorcyclists at entrance ramps, possibly in an effort to block oncoming vehicles. Such tactics are not uncommon among large groups of motorcyclists in and around New York, the authorities said. “We see an increase in the number of groups who will take over the entire highway for the purpose of slowing it down to allow others to race in front of them,” said Maj. Michael Kopy of the New York State Police.

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That's deep my brother

what change is needed here?

That Pastor had some words of wisdom

It's common in that profession

Now you may not like the fact that I didn't spend all day typing out a thesis on the matter but there has been plenty said in this post. I added my sentiment and you can like it or not like it, I really don't care.





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4 wheeler/quadrunner on an interstate is a good move? ever...

muhphuckas had the audacity to affix a license plate to it as if that alone makes it street legal.

Weaving in an out of traffic, with no plates, signals or helmets.

I thought for sure one of them was gonna bite it before I got off at my exit.

Yoo, all the black bikers I know are slightly lame douche bags who do it for the attention so I probably wouldn't have reacted the way dude in range rover reacted.

However, if I were down south with my family and got surrounded in a range rover by 30 white boys on bikes coming at me like it was on, mos def wouldn't have thought twice about flooring it regardless who was in my way.


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i don't know the race of any of the ppl involved in this story and i don't think that info would color my opinions here at all.

i have read an indication that the RR driver is some sort of Asian. and the bikers i've seen in the relevant video clips seem to be white or mostly white. i haven't tried to find out more about their races b/c i don't think it matters at all.

i desperately wanted to bring up the idea that the driver plowed over the people because he doesn't consider them wholly human.

'just a pack of animals that i need to escape from.'

if this was fucking Sturgis, he would've given the biking group plenty of space to wave their flags.

im convinced.

>i desperately wanted to bring up the idea that the driver
>plowed over the people because he doesn't consider them wholly
>human.
>
>'just a pack of animals that i need to escape from.'
>

the driver on the other hand...

i think we've officially gone full circle.

fun ride.

As long as different races are involved.

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lol

i agree it's fucked up that the bikers are all by default painted as scumbags

but I think that's mostly due to them being THOSE type of bikers more so than their race (a lotta bikers are cool in my eyes but not when they do ridiculous shit to inconvenience hundreds of other drivers)

and I really don't think the RR driver's race was important

It doesn't change the outcome or popular judgment of the incident

what race would it have taken to make the judgment of the RR driver any different?

bikers of any race.

hell, the white ones probably have a worse rep than any of the others.

I talked to some Chingaling Nomads up the BX about their colors (the vests they fly) and they were very respectful and cool

They came in 15 deep to our regular bar but if anything they were respectful of all other patrons

You see bike crews all the time, doing wheelies down St Nick or Adam Clayton Powell mad reckless that's one thing

But then you got this type of dumb shit which is in a league of its own

The HollywoodStuntz sound like a bunch of suburban douchebags that give all NYC bike crews a bad name

So far with the arrests they sound like they are all from outside of NYC which shows why they have no respect

lol

no you know what I mean bikers been bad forever but I'm talking about for the Ninja bike Ruff Ryda type crews.

...for bikers.




Since 1976

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I've read that the SUV driver called 911 to report the bikers being reckless before the accident.

In the video, that first biker clearly cut off the SUV then quickly slowed down, seems like he was trying to stop the SUV by brake-checking it. It's hard to see in the video, but reports say they then started hitting the SUV with their helmets and slashing the tires.

I'd get out of there at that point too, especially if I had a wife and child with me.

I don't really see any point where I'd put the SUV driver at fault. It seems like the bikers were out there being reckless and it got out of control because of them, and now one of them is in serious condition.

Guy should have stayed on the highway, kept moving, until the police showed up. Getting off the highway was his mistake.. Biker dudes were animals, deserved whatever they got.. Guy had his wife and baby in the car.. Should have went Mad Max mode on these fools .

Pretty much like this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQVSQhohmxI

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i'm not even on a sport bike, and folks in cars just assume i'm bout that life.....

dude is so in denial it's ridiculous.

given day I could see my self siding with either.....

IMO.

he felt threatened, and had to run over those 2-3 bikes to escape, if you notice that immediately after this, he actually swerved to not hit some other bikes that were in the way, and while they were chasing him he didn't once try to sideswipe or ram any of the bikes that were chasing him.

it's a bad situation and there is a slim possibility that after initially hitting the bike that got in front of him and slowed down abruptly, that they MIGHT not have beat him to a pulp, common sense says they would have. Hell, even the dude in this interview talked about the original contact with the bike like it was the RR guys fault when anyone can see it wasn't.

if he believed he did anything questionable at any point it's highly doubtful he would have done that

we're not talking angry baby moms here

all the lanes on the highway. THAT'S what is initial 911 call was for. It was a non-emergency...just a driver that was pissed off because he was stuck inside of an SUV with his wife and child while these guys were out having fun....

I mean really, THAT'S what's at the crux of this.....

You're making a ton of assumptions that don't have a shred of supporting evidence.

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the guy in the interview's account is spot on with what i've experienced many times while riding solo and with just a small group.

in NYC does as well

of bikers using their numbers to do whatever the fuck they want to do while endangering people's lives

as people I have no problem with bikers individually, even as gangs or crews, like I said above I have good experiences with them

just not on the road

what happened to you

Basically you've got a major bias against anyone in a car. To you, any altercation between a person in a car and a person on a bike is ALWAYS the fault of the person in the car.

You also assume that because you're a responsible rider, everyone else is.

All of this despite crystal clear evidence to the contrary, because "1st hand experience" tells you that the circumstances you found yourself in are the only possible options.

>what happened to you
>
>Basically you've got a major bias against anyone in a car. To
>you, any altercation between a person in a car and a person on
>a bike is ALWAYS the fault of the person in the car.
>
>You also assume that because you're a responsible rider,
>everyone else is.
>
>All of this despite crystal clear evidence to the contrary,
>because "1st hand experience" tells you that the circumstances
>you found yourself in are the only possible options.

benefit of the doubt...
I think that's what's missing here.
Like I said...or I think I stated....both parties were doing wrong...I'm not even defending the bikers' actions as right or appropriate...but it disgusts me to hear folks feel like the RR driver gets a free pass in all of this simply because of the common belief that bikers are always the guilty party.

I'm reasonable like that....

where they need to go at any point in any of those videos posted. You got people IN this thread who saw these dudes at a previous point and had to wait for them as they held up traffic

if a driver was to attempt to continue on his course at a green light with all traffic laws on his side, do the bikers then have the right to act victimized when he pursues this course, and act in vigilante fashion, to "protect themselves"?

nah man. You need to give this shit up. nobody likes bikers but bikers. cry about it.

>where they need to go at any point in any of those videos
>posted. You got people IN this thread who saw these dudes at a
>previous point and had to wait for them as they held up
>traffic
>
>if a driver was to attempt to continue on his course at a
>green light with all traffic laws on his side, do the bikers
>then have the right to act victimized when he pursues this
>course, and act in vigilante fashion, to "protect
>themselves"?

Nope...traffic is traffic...if there are enough bikes on the roadway to cause a bottleneck, or traffic jam...then the car needs to treat it like any other traffic jam. Cars don't have the right to just barrel through rush hour traffic because they're being impeded do they?? Why is it ok for a traffic jam of motorcycles to be considered unworthy of the same? .... Oh right...because the general opinion is that cars have more rights than motorcycles..

>nah man. You need to give this shit up. nobody likes bikers
>but bikers. cry about it.


Pssshhtt....I accepted that reality YEARS ago. As a biker, it's just something you accept. And you ride accordingly, ALWAYS in defense mode and ALWAYS proactive.

intersection here

more like edging your way between, say, a gang of naked painted joggers from a local Barhopping League, or some dumb shit like that, who want to show solidarity without permits on busy urban thoroughfares

assuming said nekkidness is womens....


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or running red lights?
or driving down the wrong side of the wrong?

then i'm not interested.

the bikers running red lights and riding on sidewalks aren't necessarily the same drivers who were barreled over or got their tire tapped.

yet there is evidence of a group of bikers breaking multiple traffic laws?

Thanks.

sidewalks, on the wrong side of traffic, blocking intersections...all illegal.

NEXT.

in the USA is just absurd.
#teambikers over here....


I 100% believe that the RR driver started all of this...
The bikers indeed handled it wrong, but there is no doubt in my mind that the RR driver instigated all of this on some "These damn bikers don't deserve to take up the roadway, i'm going to do something about it since the police aren't responding."

I'll wait for your "ok" reply before I respond...
lol

the reputation of bikers generally and this gang in particular doesn't really help the state's case against the driver, imo. i think the state would want to avoid delving into those character issues in a criminal trial b/c the jury is likely to have some of those same opinions about biker gangs and may put themselves in the RR driver's position.

i think that issue is better suited for a civil trial w/the driver as defendant and the run-over biker as plaintiff.

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The only "bias" in this situation is a "bias" against mob attacks on people, which is why homeboy got ran the fuck over.

It's astounding how any of you can sit there and just pretend like they didn't surround his car, slash his tires, or that one of them didn't create the accident that lead to that incident in the first place.

just riding SOLO...not even with a group...
Car WILL and DO provoke you...without fail.

Common sense and experience tells me this:
1. The bikers were out joyriding....they didn't go out on the town aiming to bully some folks in an SUV. They want to ride and show off. I'm not discounting that they likely were committing many traffic violations....

2. They didn't just surround his car for the fun of it...it was a response to his initial aggression...just like the dude in the interview is stating.

3. I don't believe they "slashed his tires". His tires were likely damaged and punctured in the course of running over PEOPLE and METAL BIKES.

>The only "bias" in this situation is a "bias" against mob
>attacks on people, which is why homeboy got ran the fuck over.
>
>
>It's astounding how any of you can sit there and just pretend
>like they didn't surround his car, slash his tires, or that
>one of them didn't create the accident that lead to that
>incident in the first place.


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You're literally ignoring taped evidence in favor of "your experience" and the fact that, well, YOU JUST KNOW.

Got it.

because even the main video simply shows a bike that appears to be slowing down in front of an SUV....
so by your logic....that constitutes a threat to a 4,000lb plus vehicle and warrants said vehicle to proceed with running over said bike?!??!??

If you think the reason he ran dude over was because the other biker "
slowed down" in front of him, you're either in denial, a liar, or delusional.

There generally isn't an anti-biker sentiment in the US towards law-abiding bikers. It's when they do shit like these guys were doing and were trying to do that things like this happens. So when both parties totally disobey the law, which is the more responsible party: the one that broke the law first or the one that followed suit when he saw that anarchy was prevailing?

>There generally isn't an anti-biker sentiment in the US
>towards law-abiding bikers.

That's unequivocally false. As a BMW rider we're known for being THE safest riders on the planet, full gear...all the time.... Without fail, i'm routinely the target and victim of aggression by cage drivers. For no other reason besides i'm on a bike.

It's when they do shit like these
>guys were doing and were trying to do that things like this
>happens. So when both parties totally disobey the law, which
>is the more responsible party: the one that broke the law
>first or the one that followed suit when he saw that anarchy
>was prevailing?

The one least protected. You don't get to use your vehicle as a weapon. Period. He should face charges just as much as the bikers should face charges. I'm simply not in support of the RR dude getting out of this scott free.

....because there was an unprotected biker in front of him.

Golly, that makes perfect sense.

Just sit there and allow these monsters to do whatever they're going to do to him and possibly his family, because DAMMIT, one of them decided to get in front on him.

Yes, people should remain in mortal danger so as not to harm a member of the group attacking them, because that makes sense.

Nah

You're allowing whatever circumstances you've found yourself under to seriously cloud your judgment her.e

>....because there was an unprotected biker in front of him.
>
>Golly, that makes perfect sense.
>
>Just sit there and allow these monsters to do whatever they're
>going to do to him and possibly his family, because DAMMIT,
>one of them decided to get in front on him.

>Yes, people should remain in mortal danger so as not to harm a
>member of the group attacking them, because that makes sense.
>
>
>Nah
>
>You're allowing whatever circumstances you've found yourself
>under to seriously cloud your judgment her.e


my issue is with the initial provocation....RR should have called 911 about the illegal bike activity being a nuisance and left it at that....
Instead, he got involved and PUT himself and his FAMILY into the drama on some vigilante citizens arrest enforcement type shit...

When it got to that point of escalation...indeed he did what he had to do...but that doesn't absolve him of any fault and blame in the matter...

I think your personal experiences have clouded your perspective far more than it aids it.

that coulda been me on both sides....in an SUV ( A Touareg though..not a RR) with my wife and daughter...or on the bike joyriding...
granted, in either capacity, I woulda handled the situation completely different and never been in it that deep lol....

I just think this whole discussion needs balance.....

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They created the situation from the beginning. The videos showing their previous actions illustrate a highly careless, sometimes even aggressive mindset.

That said, since there is apparently a previous incident that was not taped, the only reasonable assumption to make (if we're making any about that) is that based on 8 videos worth of behavior, the safe bet is on Hollywood Stuntz causing that as well. That's really the only reasonable assumption based on what we have seen.

The other issue is whether or not RR had a reasonable fear of bodily harm before he reacted. I know Deadzombie fancies himself the King of Cool and expects every other human being to be an absolute icicle under such pressure, but that's not realistic, rational, or fair.

Unless RR did something illegal prior to this, there is no fair, reasonable expectation for him to "just pull over and let them do them", as has been implied many times by DZ, and since the only reasonable conclusion to draw from the evidence (again, evidence, not experience in the past) at hand is that the most likely scenario is that the initial incident that set the whole thing off was caused by the riders. Either we make an assumption using the information we do know, or we ignore it completely and focus entirely on what we see in the videos. Thing is, both scenarios still damn the riders.

I'm still on it like DZ kinda...
Knowing what EYE know first hand about clubs like this....those bikers weren't a direct threat to that dude until he took it upon himself to knock one of them off the bike.

Stopping right there....not even going as far as when he ran some of them over.....
THAT single action on the RR's part can't be ignored or glossed over.

RR dude got pissed and took it to the next level of actual assault. Again...i'm not excusing the bikers behavior or actions at all...

I don't think it's a matter of cool, but hopefully will serve for all of us to stop and think before we react or act...ESPECIALLY out here in these streets.


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Why not fearful, worried, or anxious?

Have you ever been in a situation like that?

Never been in it and had it esculate to that point....

But I think any DMV driver that's been on BW Parkway or Rt.5, or 301 or Suitland Parkway in the spring or summer can tell you they've been surrounded or overtaken by a large group of motorcycles at least once in
their time up here....

Folks just know the rules though...you get pissed off about it, but ultimately you fall back and let them cook.


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Another scenario I was in:

I was walking around with some friends on a Friday I was…. 18 or so. Bored nothing to do, let’s get out of this damn house for a bit. There was an incident between a guy from their crew and a gang earlier that day, and they were talking about it all day. Anyhow, we see a car drive by staring at us. One of my friends recognized them, and they either recognized my friends or just wanted to flex because they ice grilled Hoard © Mac 10. They busted a U and came back to us. My friends were hyped. YOU GUYS READY!??!? WE’RE GONNA BEAT THESE GUYS DOWN!

Me? Great. Not this shit again. Whatever.

So the car pulls up, and 4 dudes get out. One pulls a knife, and he and another from the drivers side head my direction.

So what do I do? I walk up and crack the dude with the knife, and lit his ass up before lighting up the other guy. I kept them at bay for a minute until their big dude came at me, and I put his ass down. I kept getting pelted with rocks, but I said fuck it and stood over the dude I put down like WHAT? Next thing you know, I get hit hard as hell on the back of my head. It turned out to be a cement block from the bitch throwing rocks at me. My“friends”? Just standing off to the side, frozen. I got stabbed in the arm. My friends had the nerve to tell me I started it.

Huh? I’m sorry, 4 guys *they* had some kind of beef with see us, hit a u turn, floor it in our direction, get OUT the damn car, one pulls a knife, and two come straight for me? Nah, I’m swinging. That’s not the time for diplomacy. The body language and physical actions are crystal clear at that point. I made the only choice that seemed reasonable in that situation based on the high likelihood that *not* fighting wasn’t going to be an option. Who knows how that would have turned out if I hadn’t went “crazy” as they said? Shit wasn’t my fight to begin with, and while these punks were busy talkin that talk with no balls behind it, I dealt with their beef because talking isn’t something that comes to mind when someone approaches me with a knife with another guy in tow.

Sometimes you just do what you gotta do. We don't really know what that first spark was, but what I'm saying is everything after shows a guy with shitty options.

>That's unequivocally false. As a BMW rider we're known for
>being THE safest riders on the planet, full gear...all the
>time.... Without fail, i'm routinely the target and victim of
>aggression by cage drivers. For no other reason besides i'm on
>a bike.

My personal road rage is only ever directed at people who knowingly or through their ignorance break the laws of the road to serve their own self-interest, regardless of vehicle. That said, I don't think this incident, in which this bike crew totally and illegally shitfucked the laws of the road, should be taken up as a "bikers rights" case. If some no-brakes idiot bicyclist ran a red light and got clipped by an oncoming car, I don't think the BNB crowd would be rallying around the cyclist as a "bike's rights" incident.



>You don't get to use your vehicle as
>a weapon. Period. He should face charges just as much as the
>bikers should face charges. I'm simply not in support of the
>RR dude getting out of this scott free.

True, but all the advantages and protection the size of a car has, they don't have the agility and acceleration of a bike, especially these sorts of bikes. Stopping short, the acceleration and pursuit ability during the chase...that's a huge damn weapon.

if the RR driver is charged and goes to trial, i expect he'll use a self-defense and defense of others defense and argue that he was justified in running over that biker b/c he feared he and/or his family would be battered by the biker gang. if so, the issue there is the reasonability of his belief that he and/or his wife and children were about to be battered by the gang. the biker gang's conduct before the RR was surrounded would be relevant. if based on the gang's conduct the driver reasonably believed that gang would batter him and/or his wife and children and that they would suffer great bodily harm and potentially death, then a jury is likely to find that the driver was justified in running over that biker to get out of the situation.

i'd expect the state to argue that his belief wasn't reasonable b/c he didn't observe the ran over biker doing x, y or z specifically (unless the driver DID see that...). but the defense would probably counter that the driver couldn't reasonably have been expected to know which biker had done what and that it was reasonable for him to see the gang as an entity and that since he didn't know who in the gang would do what he was justified in his belief that any of them, including the ran over biker, could've battered him and/or his wife and children b/c he didn't know what that biker would do. the defense would do all it could to put the jurors in the place of that driver - surrounded by angered bikers w/his wife and children in the car - what was he supposed to do? wait and see what the angry mob was going to do?

anyway: the gang's conduct prior to the biker getting run over is relevant. LOL

b/c even though the gang's conduct prior to the run-over is relevant, it's only relevant if the RR driver observed it or otherwise knew about it BEFORE he ran over that biker. if the driver didn't know about the gang driving up on sidewalks and running red lights all over NYC then it's not relevant.

however, the state successfully keeping that video out doesn't torpedo the defense case, IMO. b/c the driver observed plenty conduct from that gang that could give rise to a reasonable fear that he and/or his family would be battered and suffer great bodily harm or death after the angered biker gang mob surrounded and attacked the RR.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

we got a first hand account of what happened.

that first stop short everyone was talking shit about.

because the recording vehicle was going faster than the subjects, it only seems like a stop short.

in reality the recording vehicle sped up and only made it seem like the bike in front stopped short.

that's when the accident happened.

bikes approached the truck to start the conversation.

the SUV just rolls over people.

nah. man.

yall aint cool.

and have yall heard the way drivers talk shit about cyclist, even?!

drivers have real rage for two wheeled motorists.

this is terrible.

>we got a first hand account of what happened.
>
>that first stop short everyone was talking shit about.
>
>because the recording vehicle was going faster than the
>subjects, it only seems like a stop short.
>
>in reality the recording vehicle sped up and only made it seem
>like the bike in front stopped short.

The biker looks back at the suv over his right shoulder before he stopped short. Then slows down and starts looking behind him to the left like he's trying to talk/signal to someone.

That's wreckless driving. He saw the SUV on his ass and didn't care.

but that's quite an imagination you got there.


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i think the bike in front was going sort of slow, and the SUV sped to make contact with the back tire. that's aggressive.

yes, the bikes were bringing traffic to a halt so they can do the parade thing, and that's normal, apparently.

that's what happens on bike day.

Gotcha

>yes, the bikes were bringing traffic to a halt so they can do
>the parade thing, and that's normal, apparently.
>
>that's what happens on bike day.

Police have stated that they have had problems with bikers trying to clear roadway so they can race in the city. Only thing is, they have no permits and no right to do it.

So that really holds no weight.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/01/nypd-suspects-sought-in-attack-on-suv-driver/

As 1010 WINS’ Carol D’Auria reported, Kelly said Tuesday that the bikers caused other problems besides the road rage incident. A total of 200 people complained to police Sunday that the bikers were being reckless on Manhattan streets, Kelly said.

The cyclists caused plenty of problems last year too, Kelly said.

“Last year, they came over 1,000 cyclists to be somewhat disruptive,” Kelly said. “They rode on the sidewalk – that sort of thing.”

In order to prevent the group from heading into Times Square this year, police set up checkpoints throughout the city. Kelly said during that effort, 15 arrests were made, 68 summonses were issued, and 55 motorcycles were confiscated.



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he's got bikes to the left, right, and behind him

trying to stop him for their illegal "parade"

why not just let him ride on and then do their thing?

he clearly purposely brake-baits dude into the accident...CLEARLY...either on purpose or pure recklessness...both his fault

the suv was just trying go about his business bc he never changed lanes and he tried to avoid hitting anyone

this is not a parade nigga

idiots cook though??
I mean really...
Think of it this way...
you see a gang of youngins wilding out in the mall...in front of Banana Republic where you trying to go get your khaki fix poppin....
You gonna brolic your way through or you gonna fall back until they move on??
ME?? I'm gonna fall back....


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attack his SUV w/his wife and children inside like sitting ducks just waiting to be battered and suffer serious bodily harm or death?

that dog won't hunt w/any jury, man.

RR dude got involved in the mix....

And nope...I wouldn't have just sat there like a sitting duck my damn self....BUT I also woulda just let them idiots do there thing and fell back...

i'da been like:

"Oh y'all wanna stunt and pull off in front of me?? Ok...cool...gone ahead...let me see ya head get small .... "

Something tells me RR dude wasn't on it like that.....
Them bikers are indeed some idiots....but they ain't out there to just be randomly attacking families either...


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That's the thing: Sure, we can look at it and say well, if he had that option at some point, he should have taken it.

The problem is, he has no legal obligation to do that. He didn't create the scenario, they did. Again, the videos show conclusively that they drove in a wreckless manner, so that's the fair, reasonable assumption.

So to assess wrongdoing on his part for simply not bowing down, well, that's a pretty fucked up burden to put on him if you ask me.

like that....
that's y'all thing...and I don't doubt that anything y'all are saying about any legal proceedings that happen....

I'm just speaking on this from the social angle. Hopefully to touch folks in this post that are on some "All bikers are evil they deserve to die" mentality. Sway them from that....



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fucked up things...

and yet he's the asshole for not allowing them to do so

it's socially ok to make other people not involved so you and your 30-50 friends can treat the road like a playground...

no...nowhere is this socially acceptable behavior except entitle bikers

u are in a bike...they are in cars...just being on a bike puts you at extra risk...they should be glad he didn't have malice cause he could have easily killed them niggas if he was raging rather than trying to get the fuck outta there

he was already on the road...

in a mall riot...it's mulitple exits and im on foot and can find my way through without causing myself or anyone harm...im not about to just chill if things around me can put me in danger or if they make me feel like i could be in danger...ima do what i gotta do to get me and mine outta there period

but these are vehicles and there's typically only one way out (or few....based on the video one)...and that's forward...we're acting is if just pulling over is really THAT FUCKING SAFE...he not only had the right to the road...but pulling over would have been equally as risky...why assume thrill seeking lawbreakers are going to just let you pull over without serious/dangerous consequences?

u are giving them the benefit of the doubt and putting the burden of him being on that road on him rather than the bikers...they could have let him go...blocked traffic like they were doing at other places...and continued their fun...but no...they forced him into an accident and then got violent...

he literally did NOTHING wrong...pulling over seems safer in hindsight...but i wouldn't wanna be stuck in that shit bc

A.) it's illegal and i dont fucking have to

B.) I'm late for brunch bitch

C.) You are inconveniencing me and putting me at risk so you can treat the road like your personal playground...

D.) happy paralysis day...sucks for you *walks away with stitches and a settlement in my favor*

NO PERMITS
NO PROTECTION

lol

w/the run over biker as plaintiff.

is that the word I'm looking for? lol

lol

.

considering they were engaged in an illegal activity when he got run over

bwuahahahhahahahahhahahah

You're trying crazy hard.

You’re literally making shit up now.

'gotta hear both sides' and all that

was he supposed to squint his eyes and be like, 'yeah, that's Harold! he live on Wabash.'

in which you feel it is ok/the right thing to do/permissible for a person to defend themselves or to help others whom violent acts are being committed against.

no snark, i'm very curious as to your moral code regarding these things

at the beginning of the video, the biker 'stops short' and the SUV taps the back motorcycle tire, causing something to happen and everyone to come to a complete stop.

if and only if at that point, the bikers' immediate response was to take the helmets off and start smashing windows, or even if they tried to forcibly gain entry to the vehicle, i would be in full support of the SUV driver making a hasty exit while running over a human or two.

from what i could tell, it looked like they were all talking about it, approaching the window.

That is an equitable response to someone following standard procedure of being involved in a wreck?

the car drove quite a ways, seemingly just fine.

plus what kind of shit was talking right after the fender bender?

Setting aside when the slashed tires happened (though it's hard to, since the flats were why he ultimately had to to stop and it's difficult to believe these guys were good enough to slash his tires as they were chasing him), the guy that got hit seemed to be fine after the initial incident. The SUV pulled over and everything was kosher, but the way the bikers were surrounding his car set him off. Why even do that? If you have someone's plate, and they flee the scene of an accident, that's a felony. Why don't the biker's just call the cops on the guy rather than vigilante up and surround his car like they did? Is it possibly because, shocker, they were breaking the law and afraid of the cops themselves? If that's the case: welcome to Thunderdome, don't cry over the rules you set.

they haven't quoted him...but it's been verified

They were blocking traffic and acting crazy.

The light was green and they were there intentionally blocking cars from passing, having their bikes in the intersection and not moving.

I'm now realizing it's the same group of riders.

Their accounts are

EYE......DENTICAL

*slaps hands together*

Identical!

and were 5-6 cars from the intersection and didn't realize they weren't just passing through when towards the end the bikes got extremely loud and maaaad smoke started rising. Thats when we were like oh, these negroes doing tricks now smh.

That's when the cars in the front started really getting irate and honking.

For what it’s worth, I suppose.

I was 15, in a foster home. The gang kept beating down one of my foster brothers and punking him. One day, three of them hit me up. The zeroed in on my backpack because I pieced it up. I told them what they name was, and it was B-Boy crew I was with at the time. So they said fuck me, fuck my crew, and I said fuck their gang. So they got all jumpy and big mouthed, and one pulled out a screw driver. I picked up my bike and said what’s up then? A neighbor came out of his house and started yelling and they left. I followed them around the corner to finish it, because I know this won’t be the last time. May as well let them know I’m not a punk.

Guess what? They all backed down. All they said was “we’ll see you later.”

So they came to my house a couple hours later, but with 5-6 cars full of ese’s. I saw weapons galore- bat, a few guns, even a chain (yeah, I know, a fucking chain, on some b-movie shit).

Sooooooooo I said, uh… FUCK THAT. I hopped out the back window and bounced. I waited, ran back in and grabbed a ginsu, hopped on my bike and bounced. I came home and my foster parents had returned. They were flipping out. What the hell was I thinking? They had to move me, and truth be told that was the only good home I had for my tour of foster care. It got fucked up over some punk ass cholo’s who tried to flex.

Could I have walked away? Yeah. That’s what everyone said, SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO BE A TOUGH GUY???

Except, my only choices were to take a stand or let them punk me out like my foster brother. That was it. There were no other options. It wouldn’t have ended with that incident. It would have continued. I allowed that situation to happen at a different school in 8th grade, and that got me nowhere, so why do that again? I’d rather not live in fear. I’d rather put a beating down on three guys and serve notice. At least then, the target on my back comes with an ounce of respect and perhaps a little caution. Otherwise, it’s open season.

The point is, in a tense situation like that where you’re faced with seemingly nothing but bad options, it’s easy to sit back and say YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS!!! These are split second decisions. Sometimes, people go for broke not because they panic, but because they are faced with trying to make the best of a bad situation.

but I just hope folks take away from all of this one simple thing....
Road Rage can only happen if you allow it to happen. Folks just need to calm down and let Darwin's Law take care of idiots on the road. We'd all be better off than to let our emotions and egos get the best of us on these streets...

Thank yall 100% for this thread.

I love the folks taking the side of the bikers here like they were having a Macy's Thanksgiving Parade until the Range Rover ruined their afternoon.

........... My Ctrl+Alt+Delete is Mind Blowing!

"Our plan last Sunday was to celebrate our wedding anniversary by having a nice family day out with our two-year-old daughter. Unfortunately, instead, we were placed in grave danger by a mob of reckless and violent motorcyclists.

Our sympathies go out to the injured motorcyclist and his family. However, we were faced with a life-threatening situation, and my husband was forced under the circumstances to take the actions that he did in order to protect the lives of our entire family. Our fear for our lives was confirmed when the incident ended with the ruthless and brutal attack on my husband, me, and, most importantly, our two-year-old child. We know in our hearts that we could not have done anything differently, and we believe that anyone faced with this sort of grave danger would have taken the same course of action in order to protect their family.

We would like to thank the brave citizens who risked their own safety to intervene on our behalf. They truly helped save our lives and prevented my husband from suffering further injury. We also appreciate and are moved by the outpouring of love and support so many have expressed here in New York and around the country.

We would ask that the public and the media to respect our privacy at this difficult time and allow my husband to recover from his injuries. From here on forward we would ask that any further inquiries regarding this unfortunate incident be directed to our lawyers Nicholas J. Massimo and Frank C. Panetta."

http://gothamist.com/2013/10/03/severely_injured_dirt_bike_rider_re.php

Meanwhile, famous lawyer Gloria Allred, who has represented clients in lawsuits against Michael Jackson, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Carlos Danger, will reportedly represent the dirt bike rider who was severely injured by Lien. NBC New York reports that Allred has been retained by the family of Edwin Mieses, who is possibly paralyzed after he was run over by Lien. (Asked this morning to confirm her involvement in the case, Allred told us, "No comment today.)

Dozens of motorcyclists rallied outside St. Luke's Hospital last night in solidarity with Mieses, whose wife told DNAinfo, "This is a family. This is not a gang." Another biker told NBC New York, "We're not savages, we're not animals. We're just average people that love to ride." Here's video, via Opposite Lock, of some of the motorcyclists riding through the city; skip to the one minute mark:

That is all I need to know.

........... My Ctrl+Alt+Delete is Mind Blowing!

them all pass from jump.

Doesn't matter how long it would have taken, I'm not driving in the middle of a HUGE pack of riders. That's just asking for an accident at the very least.

But if I would have made the decision he made, well... I would have made the same decision he made.

i.e. Eff them dudes, I'm protecting my family and doing what I need to in order to get up out of a bad situation.

It's just a very unfortunate situation overall.

i don't think he rode down the middle of them but that's just judging by the fact that almost all the video was done from behind the vehicle...


they passed HIM to stop him

i've ridden through bikers before simply bc i didn't even see them coming...i hear them coming and i just slow down a lil bit and wait for them to pass...

i aint never had them try and STOP me before...which is what they probably were trying to do to block off further traffic

There was nothing that he could have done to prevent the start of that altercation.

He was surrounded and dude stopped short on him. He was probably distracted by all the commotion.

And then to have that many niggaz stop and look at you like "WTF".

Nah son.

He ain't built for that.

Not many people are.

He tried his best to get ghost and protect his family.

>i don't think he rode down the middle of them but that's just
>judging by the fact that almost all the video was done from
>behind the vehicle...
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>they passed HIM to stop him
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>i've ridden through bikers before simply bc i didn't even see
>them coming...i hear them coming and i just slow down a lil
>bit and wait for them to pass...
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>i aint never had them try and STOP me before...which is what
>they probably were trying to do to block off further traffic

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2013/10/hollywood_stuntz_motorcycle_gang_suv_alexian_lien_edwin_jay_mieses.php

Look at that screen shot. DeadZombie going to be in here saying, "It looks like they were minding their own business and trying to have some fun."

he was literally like 5 blocks from the 34th precinct.
im assuming that was where he was trying to get to.
wasn't so unreasonable to think he woulda made it.

and for those that think #teamRR is anti-bike, I don't think that's the case.
without this video the sides would be more even.
this video just makes it easy to be #teamRR in this event.

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1382080_575286599193786_1091317384_n.jpg

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/If_NYC_biker_attack_occurred_here_SUV_driver_protected_by_PAs_Castle_Doctrine.html


Apparently, I'd have some legal protection on my side if I was in the driver's position.

I've been in situations driving through Philly where a bunch of unruly dudes are blocking the street, mean-mugging and slapping my car & shit. If it came down to it (If I felt my personal safety was threatened), I was ready to hit the gas on those dickheads. Glad to know I'd have some laws supporting me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/edwin-mieses-motorcyclist-revoked-license-criminal-record_n_4044595.html?ir=New+York

The motorcyclist run over by an SUV at the start of a dramatic chase that ended with the driver being beaten in front of his family was unlicensed in his home state, according to multiple reports.

Edwin Mieses, who was reportedly paralyzed by SUV driver Alexis Lien on Sunday, apparently never applied for a motorcycle license in Massachusetts and has not been licensed to drive in the state since 1999, according to police and driving records cited by CBS New York. His right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017.

As recently as May, he was arrested in Andover, Mass., for driving with a revoked license, according to the Associated Press.

In 2001, he was sentenced to jail for driving without a license, according to court records reviewed by The Boston Herald.

However, Mieses' run-ins with law enforcement go beyond traffic violations: His criminal record is six pages long and includes convictions for drugs, guns, attaching plates and destruction of property, The Herald notes.

Mieses, 32, remains in St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital in Manhattan. His wife has said he won't walk again.

After a group of motorcyclists surrounded a Range Rover driven by Lien and his wife, Lien ran over Mieses in an attempt to make an escape. As seen in a widely circulated video of the incident, the bikers then chased the SUV, which also contained Lien's 2-year-old daughter. Eventually, when Lien was stopped by traffic, his tires were slashed, his windows were smashed, and he was pulled from the car and severely beaten, according to police.

Only one biker has so far been charged in the incident. Christopher Cruz, 28, allegedly brake-checked Lien on the Henry Hudson Parkway, setting in motion the dramatic chain of events. He was hit with a bevy of charges on Tuesday, including reckless endangerment, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child and menacing.

we could discuss who's "right" afterward
but me & mine would get up outside of that bullshit
wife & kid in the car? run EVERYBODY over

would rather deal with what happens after that
than deal with what happens after getting overrun by a gang of fake ruff ryders still high off a long afternoon of "doing the homie"

lmao @ me chiming in like 5 days later

them fucking dude up at the end sealed it for who's going to be seen as in the right IMO

And didn't lift a finger to stop anything...


http://gma.yahoo.com/undercover-nypd-cop-watched-suv-222926277.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9274018

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