Word on the street is that we are supposed to wait at least 1 hour after eating to drink something (so that we don't wash away the digestive enzymes that are working hard to break down the food), but I'm learning that most people do not do that.

Poll question: how long after eating do you wait to consume a liquid?

Poll result (67 votes) I drink liquids while I eat. (57 votes) Vote I consume liquids within 20 minutes of eating. (4 votes) Vote I consume liquids after 40 minutes of eating. (2 votes) Vote I consume liquids after 60 minutes of eating. (4 votes) Vote

nm

if we drink while we eat, our food doesn't digest properly because we are washing away the digestive enzymes.

also, we are supposed to chew a LOT. and take 20 minutes to eat.

like i'm ALWAYS the last one to finish, i just eat really really slowly for some reason

I'm missing something important by sitting down and eating.

lol. but, I've been trying to slow down and take my time.

cause i drink while i eat.

been doing that for years, maybe thats why my booty isnt bigger?


lol....

but i drink while i eat. it's usually only water though

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/digestion/AN01776

I don't know WHAT to believe, but my sister says it's
true, one should not drink while eating; and, my sister is
never wrong ;-)

but, what worries me the most is the fact that I eat cereal with almond milk which is a liquid....so, what does that mean?? what does that mean??!

cause im addicted to it,


must be all that ginger root. :)

I eat the "ginger candies", but I've never had the fresh root before.

I love water, too though. I don't really drink ice water, but I like regular room temp water, sometimes with a little apple cider vinegar in it. it's refreshing :-)

ice water... isn't the best.. and there's a reason why too, but i don't remember

>I don't know WHAT to believe

But you should probably believe the Mayo clinic.

In other words, I think you've just answered your own question.

that doesn't even make sense.
that's like saying everytime you drink your stomach empties out
isn't our stomach filled with digestive enzymes?
how could a drink wash it away
maybe it nuetralizes the enzymes?
weird.

*drins & eats at the same time*

>*drins & eats at the same time*

(lol. so mavericky.)

but, seriously, iont know. I was told that it's not cool to drink and eat. actually, it does kinda make sense when you think about it. there are a lot of things in our digestive tract that's supposed to help with breaking down the food.

yeah, I think I'm gonna keep believing this one.

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

*defers*

so he'll stop being one.

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

to be someone who posted here who had her pic in her avy and he would always call her ugly.

Then one day she started posting as an alias with a different pic of herself, and he called the alias pretty.

When he found out they were the same person, he couldn't decide whether he should fapfapfap rub one out or cry himself to sleep.

So basically he was so traumatized by the ordeal that he now see all okps as one person. Defense mechanism.

.....

drink liquids will impact the effectiveness of the digestive process. Even food combination can adversely impact the way the digestive enzymes working when breaking down food, but like you said most people do not know that.

>Even food combination can adversely impact the way
>the digestive enzymes working when breaking down food

she actually told me that a long time ago, but i just rolled my
eyes at her. lol. cuz at the time, it was just tooooo much for
me to think about paying attention to my food combos.

>>Even food combination can adversely impact the way
>>the digestive enzymes working when breaking down food
>
>she actually told me that a long time ago, but i just rolled
>my
>eyes at her. lol. cuz at the time, it was just tooooo much for
>
>me to think about paying attention to my food combos.
>
>
>


But I leaned about food combos back when I was hanging with my Muslim brothers and some back to Afrika brothers..lol People find it hard to think outside of something that public education has not taught them.. I'm not even amazed at it anymore...lol

But hey, you keep posting positivity and don't let negative people get at you, becuse it (hate) is all that they have and when you take yourself out of the equation they just die inside...

I'd like to read it.

>But hey, you keep posting positivity and don't let negative
>people get at you, becuse it (hate) is all that they have and
>when you take yourself out of the equation they just die
>inside...

no problem. it's what I do ;-)

The one book that I do have is:

From The Browder Files
By: Anthony T. Browder
Check the chapter titles Eat, Drink and Be Merry... Diet and African Americans

Another good book is:

Eat Right 4 Your Type: The Individualized Diet Solution to Staying Healthy, Living Longer & Achieving Your Ideal Weigh
By: Peter J. D'Adamo

>The one book that I do have is:
>
>From The Browder Files
>By: Anthony T. Browder
>Check the chapter titles Eat, Drink and Be Merry... Diet and
>African Americans
>
>Another good book is:
>
>Eat Right 4 Your Type: The Individualized Diet Solution to
>Staying Healthy, Living Longer & Achieving Your Ideal Weigh
>By: Peter J. D'Adamo
>
>

I just tell myself that its better than being addicted to soft drinks *looks towards the hubby*

no bueno

.

At all. Ever.

Drinking with solids is actually encouraged as it aids in peristalsis.

Vet your sources.

>Vet your sources.


a nutritionist told me this.

matter o fact, she told me a bunch of things I'd only heard in passing before. it's like some ancient GI secret.

with nationally known GI docs is telling you it's cool.

But do you. Live your life and whatnot.

.

>Well a doctor who has spent several months
>with nationally known GI docs is telling you it's cool.

R u saying that just because u spent time with GI docs, ur position is accurate
Or are u saying they actually told you that?
cuz that's weird.

Btw, I know a resident who worked a dematology internship, but didn't know what a beta peel was. I was perturbed by the lack of knowledge of skin pampering techniques.

>
>But do you. Live your life and whatnot.

Indubitably.

If you have a doctor on one side, and a nutritionist on the other. Generically, the doctor wins.

>>Well a doctor who has spent several months
>>with nationally known GI docs is telling you it's cool.
>
>R u saying that just because u spent time with GI docs, ur
>position is accurate
>Or are u saying they actually told you that?
>cuz that's weird.
>
>Btw, I know a resident who worked a dematology internship, but
>didn't know what a beta peel was. I was perturbed by the lack
>of knowledge of skin pampering techniques.
>
>>
>>But do you. Live your life and whatnot.
>
>Indubitably.

You are actually arguing that a NUTRITIONIST knows more than a Medical Doctor!

You are SERIOUSLY out of your cotton-picking mind.


There is no way you actually believe something that stupid.

I wouldn't have even bothered.

That's probably a lie. I might have bothered. Just less hard.

??

If you have nausea you shouldn't be eating solids anyway. And fluids cause less problems for reflux than nausea because most of the things that exacerbate reflux are solids and not liquids.

i can't take liquids indefinitely until menopause.

not only does the pill make me nauseous, the pill and hormones slow digestion.

throwing liquid on top of the food is a recipe for disaster and even slower digestion and a bigger window where nausea may hit.

there are definitely cases where it's not a good idea.

a professional.

Just weird.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/digestion/AN01776

he's one of the few medical professionals here that is always willing to help and answer questions.
there are people here that actually need that help so please dont run him off for lolz.

.........................................................................................
i'm a leo.
so i don't ascribe to not bein THE MOTHERFUCKIN SHIT™
non-respective of what i look @ when i see what i see when i'm seein it- Morph

I actually posted that same link in number 6.

See. I like to stay open minded about things. But I am kinda
leaning toward the "no water til after a meal side".

And I ain't running nobody off. I'm just offering a healthy debate without patronizing :-D

But you're not sure. I don't know what to tell you.

Iont care if that muthafuckaa works for the mayo clinic.

iont care.

I declare RIGHT after posting with y'all last night, I just happened to be
reading "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" which like the holistic Bible, and the author (a doctor) wrote "don't consume liquids while eating because it dilutes digestive enzymes"

I kid you not. It's on page 341 of the second edition under Dyspepsia/Indigestion.

Sooooo, *badadah!*

.........................................................................................
i'm a leo.
so i don't ascribe to not bein THE MOTHERFUCKIN SHIT™
non-respective of what i look @ when i see what i see when i'm seein it- Morph

wouldn't yall feel more comfortable if yall just
looked it up yallselves??

I mean, shyt, I *could* be making all of this up.

Just go to amazon.com or something.

There's a registered dietician and a certified nutritionist. I know there are plenty of people on OKP who would rather take the word of a dietician or a nutritionist over an MD. Again that's their choice, but I wouldn't. MD and DOs go through much more rigorous education and training than either of the above professions. But again I know that doesn't mean much to some.

The only reason I'm arguing the point is because I know I'm right and I know plenty of people will read this and think "gee maybe I shouldn't be drinking liquids when I eat solids". Maybe they'll tell their friends and family and maybe they'll all try to raise their kids that way.

And it's categorically wrong. And I have a problem with people perpetuating incorrect information. It's a big part of what I do everyday in the emergency room. Teaching common sense medicine to people who don't have the benefit of a medical education.

When I come on this site I try to educate people based on my 8+ years of medical training (and that's not including my undergrad science education either). I'm not here to pass judgement on how you want to live your life. I'm just here for the facts.

I will be back to read them.

A lot of doctors are really arrogant and don't know much nutrition and it's unfortunate because most health problems can be prevented with good nutrition. I've gotten a lot out of this book and advice from alternative medicine specialists.

I have not had a cold in 10 years. i did have strep one time. this was the only time the supplements/natural regimen did not work from prevent me from getting a cold when I felt one coming on.

The tests my health insurance company does to determine my rates, my health assessment (my weight/measurements, blood pressure, cholesterol etc) has me at 98/100. This is without exercising at all. I don't have the time and I believe diet is paramount for ME.

The good doctor can say whatever they he likes. I'll continue eating minimal dairy/wheat, green vegetables every day, fish instead of red meat and lots of fruit and taking supplements.

Ya'll alternative medicine skeptics can keep relying solely on doctors for your health information, taking pills for every random thing, dealing with obesity and the consequences, developing high cholesterol, diabetes, going to the e.r. with your colds and pneumonia.

You are screwed if you are relying on doctors for all your health/nutrition advice.

We were discussing one topic: is it safe to drink liquids with solid food? That's it.

The only disparaging I did of alternative medicine in this post was to say that on this particular topic there is no scientific basis for their claims.

At no point did I say that all of alternative medicine is ridiculous. If it works for you I'm glad. I've never once purported on here that people use pills to fix their life. In fact I spend most of my time in my clinic and in the ER trying to convince people otherwise. The best things they can do for themselves is to exercise and eat healthier... and quit smoking.

But I will pose an alternate point. I could probably find ten thousand people of your age who aren't on any pills, who don't subscribe to allopathic or alternative medicine, and could score the same health score as you on your insurance rubric. But it works for you. And that's cool. And I hope it continues to work for you down the road. And I pray that if the day comes that it doesn't, that you have the strength of character to consider the other options that are out there.

than the harvard nutrition researcher about this drinking thing, cause you're a doctor and you automatically dismissing everyone who's not, cause you went to school forever.

The thing is there will probably never be a major research study on this topic. so there is no definitive answer. each person really has to figure out for themselves what works. one study does not make a rule. In reality it doesn't necessarily help or hurt.

The particular person's body, what they're eating exactly, and what they're drinking exactly all can have a major effect. For ex this study says tea is better than alcohol. http://news.discovery.com/human/alcohol-digestion-food-101216.html. But there's was no study for water or water vs tea or soda or without.

There's no question it's safe to drink liquids with our meals. Nobody's saying it's not. The question is what is the best way to improve digestion, how exactly drinking affects digestion and that's still unanswered.

And no most the people in my age group, like the ones who post here, won't score as well cause they're overweight or they smoke and 90% get more colds than me. nice try though.

JS never said all those things you're putting in his mouth, and a lot of the points you're stating aren't being contested by ANYONE in this thread.

he clearly says because he went to school for 8 years and has much more training he's more qualified to answer this question than a dietician and certified nutritionist.

with all that school, i'm sure he can defend himself against lil ol me.

facts are the version of the book that i have that is co-authored by a doctor says the same thing... drink after eating.

as does the clevelend clinc when it comes to preventing indigestion.

Drink fluids after rather than during meals, and avoid late-night eating. Try to relax after meals. Avoid spicy foods, smoking, and alcoholic beverages. Sometimes aspirin can irritate the stomach lining. If this occurs, switch to acetaminophen.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/indigestion_dyspepsia/hic_indigestion.aspx

if you never have these symptoms and/or can manage to raise a child who never complains a stomach ache; good for you. ignore this advice.

but, the doctor clearly aid NEVER, EVER does it matter earlier in this post.

which is wrong according to other mds.

http://www.bearsinthewoods.net/shop/media/Nutritionalthirded.jpg

Apparently he's a urologist that wasn't listed as licensed any longer when Quackwatch did their research. Chances are he figured he could make more money by writing books than by being a practicing medical professional. JungleSouljah is still practicing as far as I know, and I'm defending him because I'm not sure whether he still wants to bother, and I think you're putting words into his mouth and throwing up arguments that don't relate to this post.

Your book recommends potentially harmful doses of vitamins (yes, you can actually have too much of certain vitamins) for some afflictions, as well as other treatments that don't stand up to clinical trial. To me, it looks like it's mainly a tool to sell vitamin supplements and other wonder pills to people.

It's great that you're healthy by the way, but I wouldn't be too quick to attribute it to that book. Then again, you're right in that I do not know you and it might be a lucky coincidence that this book works for you.

1 December 2006

Dr. Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch Exposed In Court Cases

At trial, under a heated cross-examination by Negrete, Barrett
conceded that he was not a Medical Board Certified psychiatrist
because he had failed the certification exam.

This was a major revelation since Barrett had provided supposed expert
testimony as a psychiatrist and had testified in numerous court cases.
Barrett also had said that he was a legal expert even though he had no
formal legal training.

The most damning testimony before the jury, under the intense
cross-examination by Negrete, was that Barrett had filed similar
defamation lawsuits against almost 40 people across the country within
the past few years and had not won one single one at trial.

During the course of his examination, Barrett also had to concede his
ties to the AMA, Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Food & Drug
Administration (FDA).

P R E S S R E L E A S E

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Date: October 13, 2005

Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania

Court Case: Stephen Barrett, M.D. vs. Tedd Koren, D.C. and Koren
Publications, Inc.
Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County for the State of Pennsylvania
Court Case No.: 2002-C-1837
Contact: Carlos F. Negrete
LAW OFFICES OF CARLOS F. NEGRETE
San Juan Capistrano, CA 92675
Phone: 949.493.8115
Fax: 949.493.8170
email: mediarelations@healthfreedomlaw.com
mediarelations@negretelaw.com
URL: www.healthfreedomlaw.com
www.negretelaw.com

Dr. Tedd Koren, DC.
Phone: 800.537.3001
267.498.0071 Fax: 267.498.0078
URL: www.korenpublications.com

Subject: Quackwatch Founder Stephen Barrett loses Major Defamation
trial in Hometown

In a stunning development, Lehigh Valley Pennsylvania Judge J. Brian
Johnson on Thursday, October 13, 2005, tossed out nationally known
self-proclaimed ‘consumer medical advocate’ Stephen Barrett’s
defamation lawsuit just minutes before it was going to be considered
by a local jury.

The lawsuit, filed in August 2002, against also nationally known
Pennsylvania chiropractor, lecturer, researcher and publisher, Dr.
Tedd Koren sought unspecified damages against Koren and his company,
Koren Publications, Inc. for statements that he wrote in his
newsletter in 2001 about Barrett.

Barrett, a long-time nemesis of chiropractic, filed the lawsuit
because of Koren’s publication that Barrett was ‘licensed’ and in
trouble because of a $10 million lawsuit and because Barrett was
called a ‘Quackpot’.

In his defense, Koren contended that the statements were true and not
defamatory and that he had a First Amendment right to write them in
his newsletter.

Thursday’s ruling by Judge Johnson represented a major reversal of the
finding of an arbitration in August 2004 wherein a panel of three
local private attorneys reviewing the case had found in favor of
Barrett and awarded Barrett $16,500 in damages and that Koren should
publish a retraction. That award was appealed by Koren.

Dr. Koren was represented by well-known health freedom San Juan
Capistrano, California, attorney Carlos F. Negrete for trial and
Washington, D.C. attorney James Turner of Swankin & Turner. Easton,
Pennsylvania attorney Christopher Reid of Laub, Seidel, Cohen, Hof &
Reid served as local counsel for the team and was co-counsel for the
trial along with Negrete.

Turner and Negrete have been well known for their representation of
clients in the health food, supplement and vitamin industries as well
as representing naturopaths, nurses, dentists, physicians,
chiropractors and complimentary therapists across the country.

Turner’s experience dates back the 1960s when he joined consumer
advocate Ralph Nader and was one of the groundbreaking Nader’s Raiders
that made consumer advocacy popular and brought about significant
changes in manufacturing and consumer protection.

In making the ruling to throw out the case, Judge Johnson granted a
rare directed verdict to the jury finding there was insufficient
evidence to support Barrett’s claims. Judge Johnson indicated that
this case was one of those rare times where such a motion was
appropriate.

Barrett operates the web site www.quackwatch.org , www.chirobase.org
and 20 other web sites and has been a long time critic of chiropractic
calling much of it"quackery".

The victory to chiropractor Koren comes almost 18 years to the date
that chiropractors received national attention with their victory
against the American Medical Association (AMA) by obtaining an
injunction against the AMA from an Illinois federal judge for engaging
in illegal boycotting of doctors chiropractic in Wilk et al vs. AMA.

Barrett had been an outspoken supporter of the AMA at the same time
that Koren had been a vocal advocate that the AMA has, in recent
years, violated the spirit of the federal judge’s order.

After the ruling, Koren proclaimed that: I am overjoyed and
enthusiastic that this nightmare is over and that the science, art and
philosophy of chiropractic and the work of all of my colleagues have
been vindicated.

“This case took a toll on my life and family, but I knew that I was
right in publishing the truth.”

Dr. Barrett has no right to misinform the public about chiropractic
and other natural healing arts or to try to silence anyone who
criticizes him or tell consumers that he is not what he purports to
be.

“I believe that it is not right to be silent when there is a duty to
inform the public and let the truth be told.”

For years, Barrett has touted himself as a medical expert on
‘quackery’ in healthcare and has assisted in dozens of court cases as
an expert. He also was called upon by the FDA, FTC and other
governmental agencies for his purported expertise.

He was the subject of many magazine interviews, including Time
Magazine and featured on television interviews on ABC’s 20/20, NBC’s
Today Show and PBS.

He has gained media fame by his outspoken vocal disgust and impatience
over natural or non-medical healthcare, including his criticisms of
two time Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling.

Dr. Tedd Koren is known for his writings and lectures on chiropractic
science, research, philosophy, and chiropractic patient adjusting.

He is known for his Koren Publications chiropractic patient education
brochures, posters, booklets, books and other products that are used
in chiropractors’ offices throughout the United States and around the
world.

Dr. Koren also co-founded a chiropractic college, is on the extension
faculty of two chiropractic colleges, is published in chiropractic and
bio-medical journals and has received numerous awards in his field.
His web sites include www.korenpublications.com and
www.teddkorenseminars.com

In his 2001 newsletter, Koren published articles that revealed that
even though he touted himself as a medical expert, Barrett had not
been a licensed physician since the early 1990s.

He also published that Barrett had been the subject of a $10 million
racketeering lawsuit and called him a
‘quackpot’ for the contradiction of his website and lack of
credentials.

Koren’s trial attorney, Carlos F. Negrete of San Juan Capistrano,
California, is known for his defense of physicians, chiropractors,
dentists, clinics and natural heath providers who practice what is
known as complimentary & alternative medicine and holistic healthcare.
Negrete has also handled groundbreaking cases against HMOs in
California and has represented many celebrities and politicians.

At trial, under a heated cross-examination by Negrete, Barrett
conceded that he was not a Medical Board Certified psychiatrist
because he had failed the certification exam.

This was a major revelation since Barrett had provided supposed expert
testimony as a psychiatrist and had testified in numerous court cases.

Barrett also had said that he was a legal expert even though he had no
formal legal training.

The most damming testimony before the jury, under the intense
cross-examination by Negrete, was that Barrett had filed similar
defamation lawsuits against almost 40 people across the country within
the past few years and had not won one single one at trial.

During the course of his examination, Barrett also had to concede his
ties to the AMA, Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Food & Drug
Administration (FDA).

This was not the first time that Negrete was a trial attorney in a
Barrett case. He also represented anti-fluoridation advocate Darlene
Sherrell in a federal lawsuit filed in Eugene, Oregon by Barrett.

Barrett also lost in trial of that case. Negrete also represented
Robert King of King Bio Natural Medicine of North Carolina and
MediaPower (manufacturers of CalMax and Nu-Zymes) of Maine in cases
filed by an organization led by Barrett, which were lost by Barrett's
organization.

Barrett has also filed a lawsuit against Negrete and his client Dr.
Hulda Clark (author of The Cure for All Diseases and The Cure for All
Cancers) , which is now pending and awaiting trial in San Diego,
California federal court.

After the Koren trial, Negrete stated: “The de-bunker has been
de-bunked. I am pleased and satisfied with this outcome for Dr. Koren
and am proud that Dr. Koren did not succumb to the pressures of the
intimidation of Barrett’s legal wrangling. Not everyone can stand up
to someone as well known as Barrett.”

Negrete continued, “It is another great day for health freedom and
alternative healthcare around the world. I am especially pleased that
this most important victory was in Barrett’s own hometown. It just
goes to show you that there is justice anywhere, even when you are a
visitor challenging the home team.

Barrett is a shill for the medical and pharmaceutical cartels and his
bully tactics and unjustified discrediting of leading innovators,
scientists and health practitioners should not be tolerated.”

Negrete said, “You can be assured that our legal team will be wherever
health freedom advocates and practitioners are being persecuted. The
tide is now turning and people are no long accepting that synthetic
drugs are the only form of treatment are the only way to address
health concerns.

"Every day, consumers are becoming more educated about the benefits of
holistic and alternative methods. This is something that the medical
establishment obviously fears and wants to crush with false
propaganda.”

Koren said that he would now go back to his home in Pennsylvania to
spend more time with his family and continue to write, research, and
lecture on topics concerning chiropractic and healthcare and the
experiences he has gained from this precedent setting legal battle.

He plans to give new lectures to chiropractors across the country who
are under attack or have been subjected to governmental actions.

He also announced that he is forming a new organization aimed at
informing and assisting chiropractors across the country.

The trial started on Monday, October 10, 2005 and ended on October 13,
2005 Barrett was represented by local Allentown attorney, Richard
Orloski.

Interesting piece, thanks for finding it.

It doesn't say much about whether his claims concerning the authors of that book are wrong. But even if they are, that doesn't say much about the validity of the advice given in it, since I still doubt much of it is corroborated by independent third parties.

So I'll admit that my criticism of the book itself is based on little solid evidence. That doesn't change my opinion on whether you should discourage drinking liquids with meals, which is what this thread was supposed to be about.

I'll summarize my arguments, before leaving this thread for good:

- multiple doctors around the web (not just JS) seem to think it's fine to drink liquids with your meal
- the vast majority of people in this thread, and probably the world, drink liquids with their meals
- the vast majority doesn't have digestive problems (that can't be attributed to lack of fibers, lack of liquids, or other known causes for indigestion)
- soup, and other water rich meals, are generally easily digestible, or at least don't cause more problems than solid foods
- belching and farting isn't indicative of digestive problems, unless it's excessive

Now if you want to have a discussion on alcohol, high-fat diets, popping pills for everything and the benefits of a holistic view on health, why don't you open a new thread?

That Prescription for Nutritional Healing, which you so gleefully describe as a "Holistic Bible", is exactly what people are trying to sell by capitalizing on fear and ignorance.

I looked it up on Amazon, and gave the authors' names a quick Google. Lo and behold, they're mentioned on Quackwatch:

http://www.quackwatch.com/02ConsumerProtection/FDAActions/global.html

I guess it does have something in common with the Bible: it's full of unverified fairy tales. The writers are a urologist who is no longer listed as licensed, and his wife, who paid $50 to some shitty organization to be able to call herself a nutritionist.

I'd trash that shit with the quickness.

*badadah!*

Does he need to write a book first?

to have written 50 books on the subject...

and she'd *STILL* say he was wrong.

SMMFDH @ this post

When it comes to preventing indigestion, same as Nutritional Healing...

....symptoms of indigestion are burning in the stomach or upper abdomen, heartburn, abdominal pain, bloating (full feeling), belching and gas, nausea, vomiting, acidic taste, "growling" stomach, and sometimes diarrhea. Symptoms of indigestion usually increase in times of stress, and decrease in times of relaxation.

Okay who never has those issues? If that's you, then you can ignore this advice. Otherwise...

Drink fluids after rather than during meals, and avoid late-night eating. Try to relax after meals. Avoid spicy foods, smoking, and alcoholic beverages. Sometimes aspirin can irritate the stomach lining. If this occurs, switch to acetaminophen.

There is a more detailed list on improving digestion here.
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/indigestion_dyspepsia/hic_indigestion.aspx

And it doesn't list drinking water during meals as a cause for it, it only recommends drinking after meals (doesn't even say how soon) when there's actual indigestion.

I didn't see the actual text in the book, but based on what I've seen regurgitated by folks on the internet, it's not the same as this clinic is saying. So this post is still uninformed and unnecessary.

see a physician.

there's nothing you can do except, see a physician.


no the website says if you have any of the following see a doctor..

Because indigestion can be a sign of a more serious health problem, call your physician if you have any of the following symptoms:

Vomiting or blood in vomit (the vomit may look like coffee grounds)
Weight loss
Loss of appetite
Black, tarry stools or visible blood in stools
Severe pain in upper right abdomen
Discomfort unrelated to eating
Symptoms similar to indigestion may be caused by heart attacks. If indigestion is accompanied by shortness of breath, sweating, or pain radiating to the jaw, neck or arm, seek medical attention immediately.

Just a thought.


Especially considering that being a "nutritionist" doesn't require anything more than a business card with the word on it in the US. I can be one, and so can you.

Why would liquids be harder on your stomach than solids?

When anyone comes in to my emergency department experiencing nausea, I don't give them a sandwich, I give them juice, gatorade or water. You're much less liable to vomit liquids than solids. They are significantly less harsh on the digestion.

But maybe I'm just not understanding your point.

cause it may be a 12 hour window where nauseau may or may not pop up.

and it's daily.

just doing liquid 12 hours after taking the pill every day isn't reasonable.

I never once said it was.

You're also supposed to chew a billion and one times when you're eating.. that definitely doesn't happen.

>You're also supposed to chew a billion and one times when
>you're eating

yup. I was told that we are supposed to chew 30-60 times.

I was like, "wha". But, I started counting my chews and the number
IS about right if I'm eating something like meat, apples, etc. not so much for things like yogurt (although I do put flax seed in my yogurt).

funny thing is, I *thought* that I heard a long time ago that we are supposed to chew 7 times before swallowing. so who knows.

We had all of 5 minutes to eat.

if its bad for me than i'm screwed

i can't even tell you the last time i ate without drinking something

without sippin on my water bottle

I was tripping at first, too when I heard this. and, you know how dramatic I am.

I was all like "*grabbing my throat* I'm DYING of thirst! I'm literally DYING!!!

lol. but,I trained myself so now, i don't even notice the absence of liquid during meals.

you really got yourself waiting an hour? i could probably benefit from this cause my stomach stays jacked up but man...i dunno

> i could probably
>benefit from this cause my stomach stays jacked up

My tummy used to be a mess.

But since I learned about probiotics and acidophilus; and, proper chewing, etc., my tummy has been perfect.

I think it was having the balance of good bacteria that helped me more than anything, but I feel you. But I secretly believe that proper absorption is the key to most good nutrition.

i've been better since i got rid of some bad habits diet wise but i could still use some tips.

but also talk to an iridologist or holistic healer. I had one and he
was awesome. He turned me on to some common sense stuff that
I just didn't have time to figure out myself.

I typically drink a hot glass of green tea immediately after a meal to
accelerate the digestive process.

Been doin' it for years, ...works like a charm.

again by the time i've logged out

i just sip during meals small amounts.

i'm prone to sloshy stomach, long digestion periods.

everything is.

Food has water in it. It also has other things that our body needs.

But in order for our body to get what it needs from the food, our body
has to break the food down as much as possible. That's the job of the enzymes
in our GI tract. those enzymes are decreased if they are diluted if we add liquids to our meals. But it's fine for our body to pull the water and other nutrients out of the foods in a way/place it can be used and absorbed correctly.

when I was young, I barely got to eat my dinner because everyone else ate it... Now I'm stop folks in mid-bite, "You gonna finish that??"


and I usually drink water immediately after stuffing my face...

I pretty much always drink something with my meals, I never have digestive problems. Same goes for most people I know.

I did a quick Google, the only results against drinking water came from dubious alternative nutrition websites that backed up their claims with fantasy terms that only sound scientific if you don't have a dictionary.

On top of that, JungleSouljah says it's no problem.

I'm not worried.

>I pretty much always drink something with my meals, I never
>have digestive problems. Same goes for most people I know.
>
>I did a quick Google, the only results against drinking water
>came from dubious alternative nutrition websites that backed
>up their claims with fantasy terms that only sound scientific
>if you don't have a dictionary.
>
>On top of that, JungleSouljah says it's no problem.
>
>I'm not worried.

Which sounds plausible until you realize that soup is probably one of the most easily digested types of food around.

It's probably just another alarmist food fairy tale to sell books to people who think that "alternative" means "better".

>Which sounds plausible until you realize that soup is
>probably one of the most easily digested types of food
>around.
>
>It's probably just another alarmist food fairy tale to sell
>books to people who think that "alternative" means "better".

>Which sounds plausible ...

are they implying that since the enzymes are watered down, you will suffer from indigestion (in the form of constipation or diarrhea)?

like what are they using as proof of indigestion?

p.s. agree on the soup thing

>>Which sounds plausible ...
>
>are they implying that since the enzymes are watered down, you
>will suffer from indigestion (in the form of constipation or
>diarrhea)?

Yep, the acids/enzymes can supposedly not do their work properly if water is added, causing food to get passed to the intestines before it's ready or something. Although I haven't seen them specify whether this would cause constipation or diarrhea. I did see a commenter claiming their gas went away after stopping drinks with food.

>like what are they using as proof of indigestion?

It's on teh internet. Seriously, I don't know. None of the claims were backed up, and in many cases demonstrated lack of basic knowledge of the digestive system.

I guess the poll in the OP would have been better if she had included "I drink with my meals and frequently/hardly ever suffer from indigestion" options. Now it just shows that most people on here drink with their meals, not whether it causes them trouble.

>>>Which sounds plausible ...
>>
>>are they implying that since the enzymes are watered down,
>you
>>will suffer from indigestion (in the form of constipation or
>>diarrhea)?
>
>Yep, the acids/enzymes can supposedly not do their work
>properly if water is added, causing food to get passed to the
>intestines before it's ready or something. Although I haven't
>seen them specify whether this would cause constipation or
>diarrhea. I did see a commenter claiming their gas went away
>after stopping drinks with food.
ok cool. i just feel God/evolution would have designed us a little better than that...lol
on a tangent: i am trying to recall if dogs usually eat then drink or if they dovetail the process and eat while drinking.

>>like what are they using as proof of indigestion?
>
>It's on teh internet. Seriously, I don't know. None of the
>claims were backed up, and in many cases demonstrated lack of
>basic knowledge of the digestive system.
smh. that's usually the case with this pseudoscience shit. they appeal to science just enough to sound like they know what they are talking about. then when you probe it further, you realise that they don't even adhere to peer review and other accepted conventions of the scientific process.

The only time I drink with a meal is when I'm sipping some wine with a special dinner at the weekend or something like that.

Usually when I eat, if I feel too full I'll probably wait half an hour or so to let it get down before having something to drink.

But really I just go with how my body feels at the time and with what is comfortable.

Nice.

I'm not saying people *should* drink with their meals (although for vegetarians, a cup of orange juice or another vitamin C rich drink apparently aids iron absorption from the food), but you're pushing hoax knowledge in this post, scaring people away from a harmless practice.

I'm admittedly didn't read most of ur reply because it had a negative tone to it.

Sort of like when u assume I am pushing a hoax. It shows that u didn't read my post, so I thought that I would return the favor :-p

I did read your posts. I read everything before I decide whether to agree with it or not, and most of the time, I also do a little research before jumping to conclusions. In this case, everyone with *some* kind of credentials seems to be dismissing this as unsound advice (edit: I'm talking about the no-drinking part. Chewing is good practice, since it breaks up food and mixes it with saliva.)

But if you'd rather defer to your sister and internet hearsay than people with a bit of knowledge on how the digestive system actually works, fine. Stay away from soup!

and post up a link to your friend's website so we can all buy some nutritionist books and homeopathic remedies.

cuz I'm in a hurry to tell u "no"
:-P

What is their professional specialty, and what degrees/certifications do they have in their area?


Are they able to cite published, peer-reviewed findings supporting their argument?

And we all know that good information only comes in the form of cheerful words of encouragement.

*twirls in a circle*

i.e. traditional medicine is a total swindle, and all doctors are just operatives for the pharmaceutical industry. Now let's all chew on some leaves.

The headache comes from repeated facepalming, the entertainment from the sheer ridiculousness of the claims.

>*twirls in a circle*

You win, sir, you win.

I forgot to write the happy ditty about how fun it is to drink water below room temperature so's not to offend our factually oriented OP :D

>*twirls in a circle*

sounds like a myth.
just like the one my uncle said about drinking cold drinks.
he said if you drink a cold drink, the food in your stomach
will "harden" or "clump" together. i was like, wtf? our
bodies are 98.5 degrees, there's no chance the drink is going
to stay frigid once its in the body, atleast not to the point
of solidification! lol

i have heard that the body best absorbs room-temperature drinks
rather than cold drinks...but that's about it.

it is fine to eat and drink at the same time.

there is nothing wrong with drinking cold water. if you work out or are trying to lose weight, drinking cold water is recommended.

<--- suck it

It will cause thick globs of slimy mucus to seep from your ass, and it's totally not because it actually produces thick globs of slimy mucus in your intestines.

They're toxins. It says right here in this book I wrote, which is only $29,99. That's a bargain for the cure to AIDS/cancer/pimples, isn't it?

ie, meat requires acids to break down, and starches require bases, and when you mix, say, meat and potatoes, an acid + base = water, basically.

but then i read other shit that supposedly debunked that.

and yes, i never was big on drinking w/ a meal, either, but that same book talked about water diluting the digestive fluids, etc. so i don't drink a lot w/ meals, even though i never really did anyway.

i replied first, but i'm gonna check out junglesouljah's answers to this poast.


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be apparently running game. and his son got popped for running a ponzi scheme out the crib:

http://www.zillow.com/blog/best-selling-diet-author-harvey-diamond-in-foreclosure-son-arrested-for-fraud/2009/09/22/

also, the folks at quackwatch don't quite agree w/ his pov:

http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/fitforlife.html


i really WANTED to believe this shit. it sounds hella plausible (or at least some parts). but it doesn't appear to be true.

but its getting hella cosigns on AIM, as we speak. and damn near all health cats, naturopaths, homeopaths, etc, that i've ever known swear by some variant of this, but it all leads back to harvey diamond.

his telling you not to consume fruit with other foods is where i got to break company w/ him as that conflicts with other healthy/crunchy shit.

i luh me a conspiracy theory, btw.

iono about this, however.

js, can you confirm/deny about the acids/meat, bases/starch stuff (different digestive fluids for different types of food).

that's central to his entire premise. if you tell me that potatoes get broken down by digestive juices w/ the same pH as some ribs, i'll take your word and say eff it w/ the whole rest of this.


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So there are three types of food when you break it down: you have proteins made up of amino acids, fats/lipids made up of fatty acids, and carbohydrates which are starches and sugars.

All food starts out in the mouth. The salivary juices there have a slightly basic pH because they secrete a bunch of bicarbonate (HCO3-) with their salivary enzymes. Most of the salivary enzymes are amylases which breakdown polysacchyrides into simple carbohydrates or monosacchyrides. Cool way to test this is to put a Ritz crackers in your mouth, chew it a bit and then hold it there for a few minutes. It'll slowly turn really sweet which is from the polysacchs being broken down into sucrose. There's also a small amount of lipase which is an enzyme that breaks down fats.

Not much of anything gets secreted in the esophagus.

In the stomach all hell breaks loose. The pH becomes 2.0 because your stomach secretes large amounts of hydrogen ions from the gastric parietal cells. Some of the major digestive enzymes made by the pancreas work best in a very acidic environment. The low pH helps to denature proteins and allow for easier digestion of proteins to amino acids.

Most of our important digestive enzymes are secreted by the pancreas. Some are secreted as inactive enzymes and are only activated once enzymes in the small intestine (duodenum) cleave them and make them active. There are different enzymes for carbohydrates, lipids, cholesterols, and proteins.

The signaling pathways in the digestive track that allow all of this to happen basically respond the same to just about any food bolus with the exception of high fat/lipid/cholesterol foods which stimulates secretion of bile from the gallbladder/liver to help absorb fats and cholesterols.

So I said all that to say this: the enzymes are more important than the pH. And the pH is essentially the same no matter what you eat. More or less all of the same enzymes are secreted no matter what you eat (with the fat exception I described above).

Hope that answers the question.

>So there are three types of food when you break it down: you
>have proteins made up of amino acids, fats/lipids made up of
>fatty acids, and carbohydrates which are starches and sugars.
>
>All food starts out in the mouth. The salivary juices there
>have a slightly basic pH because they secrete a bunch of
>bicarbonate (HCO3-) with their salivary enzymes.

seems like this is where dude got it twisted. also, you said slightly basic, so its not like it would neutralize the acidity of your stomach, b/c that would be higher volume and more strongly acidic than saliva is basic. also, we don't swallow meat whole and digest potatoes in our mouths. (at least i don't). maybe one of them hot dog eatin ninjas....


Most of the
>salivary enzymes are amylases which breakdown polysacchyrides
>into simple carbohydrates or monosacchyrides. Cool way to
>test this is to put a Ritz crackers in your mouth, chew it a
>bit and then hold it there for a few minutes. It'll slowly
>turn really sweet which is from the polysacchs being broken
>down into sucrose. There's also a small amount of lipase
>which is an enzyme that breaks down fats.

i got to try the ritz thing.

>Not much of anything gets secreted in the esophagus.
>
>In the stomach all hell breaks loose. The pH becomes 2.0
>because your stomach secretes large amounts of hydrogen ions
>from the gastric parietal cells. Some of the major digestive
>enzymes made by the pancreas work best in a very acidic
>environment. The low pH helps to denature proteins and allow
>for easier digestion of proteins to amino acids.
>
>Most of our important digestive enzymes are secreted by the
>pancreas. Some are secreted as inactive enzymes and are only
>activated once enzymes in the small intestine (duodenum)
>cleave them and make them active. There are different enzymes
>for carbohydrates, lipids, cholesterols, and proteins.
>
>The signaling pathways in the digestive track that allow all
>of this to happen basically respond the same to just about any
>food bolus with the exception of high fat/lipid/cholesterol
>foods which stimulates secretion of bile from the
>gallbladder/liver to help absorb fats and cholesterols.

lol. you wrote track instead of tract, which proves you are writing this as opposed to cut and pasting. but i'm sure someone will come in here and shoot you down w/ a swipe from WARSHYOMEATS.com. its the tao of okp.

>
>So I said all that to say this: the enzymes are more important
>than the pH. And the pH is essentially the same no matter
>what you eat. More or less all of the same enzymes are
>secreted no matter what you eat (with the fat exception I
>described above).
>
>Hope that answers the question.

do the enzymes work independent of concentration (i got what you said about liquids being an essential component of peristalsis -- figured that out myself cleansing my colon w/ psyllium husk powder. the more fluids the better in that case, although, to be sure, its not like i was trying to digest anything there).

thanks a lot to responding w/ good info.



peace & blessings,

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Unfortunately that's the same reason why most of it goes ignored by the scientific/medical community. It's so patently ridiculous to us that it's not worth responding too. Especially when none of it is backed by any meaningful peer-reviewed research.

But to your question: does concentration matter? Which I think goes back to several queries posted above: will fluids dilute digestive enzymes rendering them useless? Obviously fluids will decrease the concentration of the enzymes. But does it render them useless? If you're familiar with the enzyme-substrate model then you know it won't. Will digestion be slower? Maybe, but food sits in the stomach a long while anyway.

I think the only way you could cause a problem is if you downed a 16 oz glass of water with each bite of food. But then who is gonna do even half that?

...one fact that gets twisted...that debunks the whole theory....
and most conspiracy theorists feel the more pieces of the story that sound logical (in and of themselves) can somehow negate/replace that misstep...

great breakdown up top on enzymes etc btw..
*salute*

.

I'm sitting here, at 1 a.m., on a frickin' work-related conference call with people in the U.K., Turkey, and Dubai, trying as hard as I can not to bust up just thinking about that. I've already laughed twice, and tried to play it off as a cough.

So, fuck you meng. I hope your corgi pees on and in your shoes.

you think i'm listen to THESE niggas, or kiana's flex appeal.

take everything you know about me into account here.


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laters

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or Race Warz

or Gender Warz

Stupid science with it's stupid facts and experts.

Actually I might need it to be Thursday. But either way... let's do it.

the free radicals?

speaking of which... is there anything to the free radical talk? ie, they be latching onto stray atoms in your body and breaking shit down unless you do x, y, and z?

again, its something that sounds sciencey enough.

peace & blessings,

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#why

you drink it from what it takes to bring it up to your body temperature. viewed that way, i guess you could say that drinking cold water is better than drinking warm water in that it expends (at least a small amount of) energy.

i never did the math on it and would assume that its trivial.

crunchy types are gonna not like that, though, so the unconventional conventional wisdom is gonna say 'ice water is bad' and suggest that the natural way that gaiea intended for us to consume water is tepid/room temperature. (bear in mind that we ain't have no rooms eons ago).

anybody care to take this one on?

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5 years ago. So yeah.

Take special care that cold water is bad for the stomach, but the hydrochloric acid at a pH of 2 isn't.

And the part where oils can't change into fats because they are fats.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/coldwater.asp

i know u already answered it, but i always ask questions two or three times when i dont like the answer just to make sure there isnt a loophole somewhere.

cause i loves me some ice water. like i drink a glass of ice water at least 8x a day.

im drinking a glass now.

it is terrible, like itll hurt u, or just bad like, i can keep doing it and see no damage?

'twas sarcasm.

Take a few minutes and read the link.

i mean i trust what u saying, but there was a lot happening up there and all i want to know is my ice water fetish gonna kill me,

i guess ill just ask my pcp.

lol.

Without taking in other foods or fluids, your ice water won't cause any significant problems.

Just keep in mind the story of the woman who died while trying to drink excessive amounts of water trying to win a Wii. As long as you don't do that, you'll be okay.

peace & blessings,

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I was gonna be nice and let y'all live in y'all fairy tale land
with yalls make believe Okp "doctor", but I'm not feeling
especially generous.

So u know what I'mma do?

Imma call the WHO. And I will ask the the question of which I already
know thee answer to. "to drink or not to drink", that is thee question. Then I will come back and relentlessly remind y'all
how u all were fools listen to ur pretend "doctor".

And so there!

soooo, *badadah!*

A reference that you yourself acknowledged and also posted.

Neither reference was backed up by a significant study or peer reviewed research. Which is why I said from the outset, you can believe either one. Here's what I believe, here's a world renowned specialist who agrees, and here are some scientific facts on digestive juices and enzymes.

It's really not that serious.

Because I actually have the diploma to prove I'm an MD which stands for Medicinae Doctor or Doctor of Medicine, which in latin means Teacher of Medicine. As I've said before I take my profession and title very seriously particularly the teaching part.

However, I don't ask anyone to refer to me as a doctor. That's their choice. Even at work I go by my first name, not Dr JungleSouljah. But if you're going to refer to me as a doctor, I ask that you do so respectfully. Especially considering I've always responded respectfully to those who disagree with me.

If we can't respect each other than what are we left with?

Edit: This is the number to the World Health Organization headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland + 41 22 791 21 11. But I'm not sure they're going to answer your question because you're more than likely to be put in contact with an administrator than a doctor. Good luck though.

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u want me to be nice to you whilst u 'roundabout try to clown me & call me stupid??

fuck that. I was raised in philly. u'd better Google it.

I let ppl slide and save face for a living. so, I'll be hellova damned if I'm gonna do it for free.

now, if u want me to send u an invoice, I'd be all to happy to ride the lets-pretend-junglesouljah's-a-doctor-wave

plus, I secretly think that u are poetx's alias except for the fact that he is much more nurturing and loving in his hellova long smartassed replies.

and, so I don't need you give me WHO's number, do I? do I?

We could take it there, but it's not worth it.

Enjoy your day.

.

I was saying that Imma muthafuckaa and don't take no shyt cuz I'm from Philly.

geezus.

>I was raised in philly. u'd better Google it.

yeah.

and, I DID have quite a nice day. thanks!

:-)

Which you gotta admit is pretty damn funny. Or moreso if you know my background re: Philly.

I refuse to believe it.

refuse.

matter o fact, Imma make a poll about the fact that u aint from philly and Imma let the audience decide whether or not it's true.

I'm from or have ever lived in Philly

You have a gift for comedy. Or at least making me laugh.

>You have a gift for comedy.


no doubt i am one of the top three funniest muthafuckaas I know.
only surpassed by ma daddy and my bff.

*claps hands and tilts head to the side*

now what?

fewl.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Their deaths and off-chance successes serve as sign posts along the road of crazy.

Travel it with them I will not.

it really is.

trying to come in this post with logic and experience.

just let her choke on her deep fried turkey sandwich .

>just let her choke on her deep fried turkey sandwich .

and if' i'm wrong, he should take the cleveland clinic to task for posting ... Drink fluids after rather than during meals

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/indigestion_dyspepsia/hic_indigestion.aspx

because their advice is to do exactly what i do for an upset stomach, eating a small amount and then drinking liquid after.

and it's the same thing The Prescription for Nutritional Healing advises.

not exactly on-topic, is it?

because i asked him what if a person has an upset stomach.

and he said it doesn't matter at all, ever.

see above.

and explain what he meant by "at all, ever'" in 49.

.

I should have never said "never, ever". I was being hyperbolic.

If you have GERD or reflux if might not be a good idea to take liquids with solids. But it's also not a good idea for people with GERD to eat spicy food, fatty food, chocolate, acidic food, coffee, alcohol or smoke. They shouldn't go to sleep or lay down within 2 hours of eating.

And I think all of those things are far more important than having a glass of water with your meal. I'd love to know what Cleveland Clinic or the Mayo Clinic have to say about those issues since that's what I've had several other GI and ENT specialists say when it comes to GERD and indigestion.

But the irony isn't lost on me that you quoted Cleveland Clinic GI specialists to refute Mayo Clinic GI specialists after you rode hard for your alternative medicine. Guess allopaths are okay when they agree with you.

>you quoted Cleveland
>Clinic GI specialists to refute Mayo Clinic GI specialists
>after you rode hard for your alternative medicine. Guess
>allopaths are okay when they agree with you.

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*shruggles*

"The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good & how he treats people who can't fight back"-Abigail Van Buren

I'm Certified

.

At no point has anyone in this thread said to drink alcohol when you eat because it will aid digestion. We were talking about water/juice/milk.

"The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good & how he treats people who can't fight back"-Abigail Van Buren

I'm Certified

But they're attacking on multiple fronts now so I gotta get my defenses up before they start putting words in my mouth again.

Someone wrote it, so it must be right.

In over 50 years of modern medicine, you'd think ONCE that something as remedial as eating and drinking at the same time would be addressed to the masses.

Nope, this some BRAND NEW shit. *facepalm*

goin' back and forth
keepin' it goin'
dude says he's a champion of correctin'
misinformation on the boards
eh
i think i got better shit to do with my time
here then worry about what yall believe is
true or false

you'd think we'd have *learned* to not drink with our meals. There'd at least have been some folk sayings like "chase plate with glass, develop horrible gas".

/half serious

you come across as a troll in this post just as much as she do
you're like on some antitroll shit to the point you seem just as foolish
for engagin' this shit as her for startin' this shit
i'ma start callin' you goat...like in billy goat gruff..the one that fell for the trolls foolishness

u didn't come through on 100 and
so I was just wondering if u were or not.
*feels neglected*

Of course I keep this shit going. What else would I do on okp? Nice try BeeBee.

there's only one other poster I know of who
goes to these lengths to try to get my attention.

and, he knows I won't reply to his username. so, u must be
his alias.

i see u. fewl.

*cries softly into my worthless diplomas*

.

Might have to get that archive for posterity though. Y'know for the spreadsheets and whatnot.

>Today was the last day mamacita

that's what u think.

watch this...

he wasn't tryina holla at me.

he was just posting. and, i already have too many jawns
in my rotation. if i were to add any more, i'd just
be gluttonous.

so, theres no need to feel threatened mamacita.

Did you used to have a different login? Just curious.

And she's not after me. She's just trying to protect my mental health since she actually knows my credentials.

Good luck with all your jawns though. Keep it safe.

ya know, it's probably a sin for me to get
so much pleasure from being right all of the
time.

what do u think?

Yesterday was the last day I made serious replies about scientific or medical topics in this thread.

Plus, I don't work til 8. Too much free time to ignore such an entertaining post.

post.

its actually plausible, too.
nice.

I'm mad she kinda made Philly look dumb as shit tho. I'm hoping she's a transplant.

Transplant?

Fool, I AM Philly.

And y'all the ones who look/are dumb cuz if it's one thing that I've
learned its that if 99% of regular ppl believe something is true, then it's
not. especially on Okp.

I stand by my position, son. "Dont ever throw away ur miracle", (c) whitney houston. Now put that in ur pipe and smoke it.


>I'm mad she kinda made Philly look dumb as shit tho. I'm
>hoping she's a transplant.

you must be very smart indeed.

just ain't have the heart to tell you the ugly truth.

That or you're from Mt. Airy.

>That or you're from Mt. Airy.


gtown hate. nice.

The man is a doctor...take his word for it.

Ga DAMN (c) Kuntry

>The man is a doctor...take his word for it.

It's good for capitalism.
Its bad for just about everything else.

So let me get this right .... if a doctor tell u something, u r just going to take his word for it?? I believe u would, but I just wanna be sure.

Like, what if too different doctors gave two opposing view points
on the same subject?

because it would help in the dispersion of gastric juices around the food. for instance when you drop acid on a slice a bread, the acid will only react on the piece of bread that the acid falls on. if the bread is soaking in water, the acid will disperse through the water and bread mixture and have more surface area to contact and react with the bread. but you still have the same amount of hydrogen ions floating around (FYI acids are compounds that release hydrogen ions (H +) when dissolved in water)

water reacts to common minerals and compounds in your food (ie salt) to dissolve them (because of the polarity in water)

a lot of vitamin (ie vitamin c) are water soluble and you need water to help you absorb these nutrients.

however, i think you should listen to your body. if you are thirsty while you eat you should drink. some foods already have water in them: fruit, soups. so you probably don't need to drink extra water when consuming these foods. and i'm sure there are situations when you can drink too much water. too much of anything is never good for you.

I'll never be able to look at certain LOGINS without remember how much of a dumbass you really are based upon the arguments made in this thread.

God Bless the teh interwebs!