Lupe Bypasses Obama, "I Want Hillary To Win"

written by Danica Dow
Thursday - January 3, 2008

Over the next month voters across the country will get to pick candidates for the two major political parties. In light of the official beginning of voting season in Iowa, SOHH caught up with Lupe Fiasco to see who he is throwing his support behind.

"I'm not voting for anybody," Lupe told SOHH. "I don't believe in voting on that level. But I want Hillary to win," he says. Surprisingly, the Chicago emcee does not support the junior United States Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama.

"Obama doesn't really impress me like that," Lupe told SOHH. "It's not a shot at him but some of his agendas, the bombing of Iran and all that stuff.* He ain't gonna do nothing but perpetuate the nonsense that all the Presidents before have done, and what Bush is doing now. It's to the point now where the world is so twisted and so messed up that we need somebody to come in."

Tonight's Iowa caucus marks the first major electoral event of the nominating process for the 2008 Presidential election by essentially voting on which candidates should represent their respective parties. Because of its "first" status, the Iowa caucus is especially influential in the process of electing the Democratic and Republican candidates.

If Clinton takes Iowa, she is in a better position to win in the immediate state caucasses that follow.

"I think Hillary will set an example for women all around the world and hopefully effect some change, as opposed to another man pushing for agendas and pushing policies," Lupe said. "I think even if she don't do anything, just the statement that it makes--that the United States is run by a women--would be so phenomenal for the world."

At press time Senators Clinton, Obama, and John Edwards are in a statistical three-way tie according to most polls.




*********************Editors note********************

While all the major Democratic candidates--including Clinton, Obama and Edwards--say they would not remove military option off the table, when it comes to Iran, none have said they support the bombing of Iran.

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I'm happy someone in the game finally said that.

Obama isn't the best for the job.

I am mixed. Black and white.

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i mean i dont like hillary but dayum this is just some I hate loopay hate

too many rappers want to be a basketball player, politician, clothing designer, american gangster(dboy), internet blogger, and complete arrogant asshole at all times and at the same time!!
thats why hip-hop is dead...nobody is totally focused on hip-hop anymore!

JUST MAKE MUSIC ...is that not interesting anymore?

is making music not enough anymore?


OBAMA ISN'T IMPRESSIVE...is loopie serious?
-passable" Bahasa, the Indonesian language
-transferred to Columbia University, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.He received his B.A. degree in 1983, then worked for one year at Business International Corporation
-before moving to Chicago to take a job as a community organizer
-He entered Harvard Law School in 1988
-The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history"
-He completed his Juris Doctor degree magna cum laude in 1991
-Obama directed a voter registration drive
-He was a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.
-Obama was sworn in as a Senator on January 4, 2005

He was supposed to decline the question then?

that is until they show themselves to have a dissenting opinion. Then its SHUT THE FUCK UP!! Let the cat have his opinion on whatever he wants. It doesn't directly effect you, and has nothing to do with his dayjob.

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Great usage of the word "n*gger." That really makes me want to listen to your opinion.

just saved me 20 on an ill hoodie!

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then flipped the script when the block got hot. He's right about needing new blood, but Hilary ain't exactly new. Plus, the fact that she's a woman has zero standing with me. He's just talking out of his ass like he usually does. I know cats are impressed by his intricate rhyme schemes, metaphors and double entendres, but it's bullshit if you're not actually saying anything.

>then flipped the script when the block got hot. He's right
>about needing new blood, but Hilary ain't exactly new. Plus,
>the fact that she's a woman has zero standing with me. He's
>just talking out of his ass like he usually does. I know cats
>are impressed by his intricate rhyme schemes, metaphors and
>double entendres, but it's bullshit if you're not actually
>saying anything.

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Wasn't Obama lambasted because he said he was willingly to OPENLY talk with Iran in securing peace in the region? Other than Lupe being wrong about that...I have no problem with him supporting Hillary.

wasn't hillary the one that actually SUPPORTED the idea of bombing iran???

i always backed lupe in the past, but he takes a "L" for this one....homie lives his life as a contradiction

Hillary voted to label a group in Iran a terrorist state. Paving the way to bomb Iran.

Lupe, educate yourself on the issues before making silly statements like this one.

>wasn't hillary the one that actually SUPPORTED the idea of
>bombing iran???
>
>i always backed lupe in the past, but he takes a "L" for this
>one....homie lives his life as a contradiction

...main idea of this post?

president...but it damn sure would be better for us than ANYONE else in the history of the USA.


FOR THAT IM SURE.



Seriously OBAMA is the line in the sand, if he gets the DEM nod. If you're BLACK & don't support him, YOU'RE A FUCKING SELLOUT & ARE NO LONGER PART OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY.


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If you're WHITE & don't support him, YOU'RE A FUCKING SELLOUT & ARE NO LONGER PART OF THE WHITE COMMUNITY.

If you're HAWAIIAN & don't support him, YOU'RE A FUCKING SELLOUT & ARE NO LONGER PART OF THE HAWAIIAN COMMUNITY.

this made me lol

he is very politically uninformed...but like he said that "conscious" title was forced on him so....yeah...there is really no point for this post I guess

yet they whine about politicians and the state of the country when they had the opportunity to elect someone better and chose not to. bitches.

please tell me youre white

don't turn around and root for another who stands for the very thing that you object in the 1st place!

i'd rather him say he root ron paul...because at LEAST it would of made more sense...

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.

At least Lupe is kinda thinking instead of voting for a person who shares the same skin color, but not necessarily the same beliefs. Nice to see that.

On a side note, if Obama gets elected as president, do you think he will be assassinated?

Stuff that directly affects where he can and can't skateboard.

>Stuff that directly affects where he can and can't
>skateboard.

...fuckin fake new yorker clueless bitch ....and John Edwards?? LMAO!!! ...Obama isnt great but he's still better than anyone else the dems got ...Guliani & the Mormon aint winning shit anyway

so if hilary ends up winning millions of people should be shot dead? stick to talking abt 90's hiphop.

but back to the topic. I'm glad Lupe came out and said this. Obama's not ready to be president.
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...you think this country has problems NOW??? smh, you people have NO CLUE how shaky the future of the country is about to be

> ...you think this country has problems NOW??? smh, you
>people have NO CLUE how shaky the future of the country is
>about to be

^^ Truth-teller!

...but Hilary is far from the right person for the job ...i dont care what gender, faith or race the candidate is

> ...you think this country has problems NOW??? smh, you
>people have NO CLUE how shaky the future of the country is
>about to be

where did I ever say this country has problems? I asked you a question about the ridiculous statement you made and you follow up with an unrelated question and a vague prediction. ooh please, tell me more SP. what will the future be like? hopefully millions of people will be shot in the head so that our country will be on the right track.
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...Lupe haters gotta bitch about something

The Cool is selling what it would've sold anyway. It's an okay album doing okay numbers.

y'all dickriders are quick to take it to the extreme. I didn't say the album was shitty. It's okay. It's not doing phenomenol numbers, they're good for what it is, which is okay. He'll probably go gold...eventually. I wouldn't count on platinum, unless the right single hits at just the right time. Honestly, I don't hear anything on The Cool being that though. There's not a song on it that would work in the mainstream. He's a left of center artist not the next Hov, deal with it.

I wouldn't tell a soul that I didn't vote. Then he's gonna complain about how politicians lie?


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his POV, who cares... so what he doesnt like obama... yeh there both from chicago...he likes hiliary...

I'll recheck my facts on the Iran issue...but i saw that somewhere early in my research of his career...anyways whatever with politics at the end of the day on a national level...your vote on that level does NOT count...see Electoral College...unless a redistribution of the wealth and moneys made during slavery and the slave trade or an outlaw of the federal reserve system or a withdrawal of all U.S. Forces from soverign nations that no longer require their presence for security or an abolishment of the NSA and Homeland Security and U.S. funded terrorist organizations...then politics and democracy (which the real definition is "social equality" when was the last time u saw that ???) on national level is simply another reality show to keep u entertained and distracted while the REAL world powers get their plans in order to really fuck us over...Read some Chomsky and watch Zeitgeist the movie most of it ain't a bunch of bullshit...good night OKP...Thanx for all the online love on the album...

Go God!!!

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Fam so if you know this why even say you want to see anyone win?.... Most of us know its a fucking joke... if you know whats happening why even comment on who you want to win? In all actuality you voted just not with a ballot. You casted a vot verbally and showed support.... Real talk cuzo from chicago nigga to chicago nigga stick to your guns famo and learn when to speak and when not too that will save you a lot of backlash. You probably will take this as disrespect but im just being real with you... you will always get some support from me being from the chi and all but fam take that advice tho..I think you will be aiight

>Fam so if you know this why even say you want to see anyone
>win?.... Most of us know its a fucking joke... if you know
>whats happening why even comment on who you want to win? In
>all actuality you voted just not with a ballot. You casted a
>vot verbally and showed support.... Real talk cuzo from
>chicago nigga to chicago nigga stick to your guns famo and
>learn when to speak and when not too that will save you a lot
>of backlash. You probably will take this as disrespect but im
>just being real with you... you will always get some support
>from me being from the chi and all but fam take that advice
>tho..I think you will be aiight

Lup aint have to say all that

I just know during the debates he said he would openly work with Iran and FOX News jumped all over it (we have secret talks with Iran now btw). If you feel Hillary is the better presidential canidate I'm all for it. Just hoping you weren't goin into it with your facts twisted. She is far more into the sabre-rattling than both Obama or Edwards.

now i'm not going to vote and i'll tell all my friends not to vote either!

that's more of a precursor to starting war with iran than anything obama's ever done.

obama was not present to vote (so i *would* understand your criticism of his failure to vote), but supporting hillary who DID vote in favor of that bit of saber-rattling is not very sensible if you are anti-war with Iran.

declaring a component of any state's military a terrorist organization is tantamount to saying the whole nation/state actively supports terrorism and in a post 9/11 world is essentially a precursor to war.

imagine how we would act if some country declared the CIA a terrorist organization for its cover activities/assassinations/government destabilizing acts? the u.s. gov't would consider such a declaration to be 'hostile to our interests'.
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>imagine how we would act if some country declared the CIA a
>terrorist organization for its cover
>activities/assassinations/government destabilizing acts? the
>u.s. gov't would consider such a declaration to be 'hostile to
>our interests'.

>anyways
>whatever with politics at the end of the day on a national
>level...your vote on that level does NOT count...see Electoral
>College...

Thank you for enlightening us. I agree that the electoral college needs to be overhauled. But we need to stay politically active as a people so that in this system those who do decide will at least HEAR us and hear our voice and opinions, and voting is a key part in this. Just look at today's primaries. Obama inspired a lot of young people to go out to the caucuses and participate for the first time. It's a fucked system, but unlike a lot of systems that you can just say "fuck that" to, you still have to play along with this one for the time being... or ensure you get fucked.



unless a redistribution of the wealth and moneys
>made during slavery and the slave trade or an outlaw of the
>federal reserve system or a withdrawal of all U.S. Forces from
>soverign nations that no longer require their presence for
>security or an abolishment of the NSA and Homeland Security
>and U.S. funded terrorist organizations...then politics and
>democracy (which the real definition is "social equality" when
>was the last time u saw that ???) on national level is simply
>another reality show to keep u entertained and distracted
>while the REAL world powers get their plans in order to
>really fuck us over...

Oh jeeze. C'mon man. Aside from addressing all of these (possibly/semi true) conspiracy theories, I will question your support of Hilary... How is she NOT part of this system? She lived in the white house for 8 years. She tried to overhaul the healthcare system and failed miserably. And now she's apparently the democratic nominee who receives THE MOST money from health insurance companies! She's a what, 2 term senator? She IS the system man. Don't let her vag fool you... she is too divisive and it will be politics as usual if she's elected. Electing a woman wouldn't prove any more than electing a black man would, or maybe slightly less. There have already been a few woman leaders in Europe over the past couple decades.


I mean, obviously, being a political science major is not one of your job requirements, but what you just said here and in your original quoted statements just sounds so uneducated on the issue and processes, and I think that being in the position that you are in, dude... please don't speak on politics unless you know what you're saying.


>good night
>OKP...Thanx for all the online love on the album...
>
hey, no problem dude. The Cool really did make up for the bullshit from earlier in the year, and we appreciate you coming through and posting here.


P.S. I support and WILL vote for Barack Obama.

Obama for President. And good job on the Cool.

peace

would be such a great change?

any vote not cast for hillary is a good thing.

not good

shakeshead

.

>I'll recheck my facts on the Iran issue...but i saw that
>somewhere early in my research of his career...anyways
>whatever with politics at the end of the day on a national
>level...your vote on that level does NOT count...see Electoral
>College...unless a redistribution of the wealth and moneys
>made during slavery and the slave trade or an outlaw of the
>federal reserve system or a withdrawal of all U.S. Forces from
>soverign nations that no longer require their presence for
>security or an abolishment of the NSA and Homeland Security
>and U.S. funded terrorist organizations...then politics and
>democracy (which the real definition is "social equality" when
>was the last time u saw that ???) on national level is simply
>another reality show to keep u entertained and distracted
>while the REAL world powers get their plans in order to
>really fuck us over...Read some Chomsky and watch Zeitgeist
>the movie most of it ain't a bunch of bullshit...good night
>OKP...Thanx for all the online love on the album...
>
>Go God!!!

Here is what Rhymefest had to say about Lupe's comments

Quote:



Recently, a prominent Hip-Hop website asked an artist who they supported in the 2008 presidential primaries. Shockingly, their response was Hilary Clinton. Now, I'm not one to judge a person's political, religious or artistic views; however, the reasons that this artist gave were so ****ing erroneous and outrageous that it compels me to speak out, even if only to give fans the right information so that we are not following uninformed-ass rappers down the hole of 'abstract nothingness.'

First of all, the facts:
Barack Obama has stated he is not opposed to military action against Iran if they were persistent in their ambitions to obtain nuclear weapons; weapons being the operative word. However, he also states that as president, he plans to talk to Iran without preconditions about certain assurances in the context of them showing some good faith, as well. Barack Obama stated “I think it is important for us to send a signal that we are not hell-bent on regime change, just for the sake of regime change, but expect changes in behavior. And there are both carrots and there are sticks available to them for those changes in behavior.” This clearly does not describe the agenda of a candidate who supports 'the bombing of Iran and all that stuff.'

I would be very interested to know if this particular artist even knows what Hilary Clinton's position is pertaining to military action against Iran; and, no, I'm not giving him the answer.

Barack Obama being the only Black senator from Illinois automatically gives me a sense of pride and appreciation for his journey. Of course, for America to be flipped on its axis with a qualified woman president would be a significant milestone in this chapter of our country's history. But, I fail to see how a qualified Black man as president wouldn't be just as significant a milestone. Please, to all artists who dare to speak on political issues in this election: understand that Barack Obama won the Iowa caucus by inspiring more young people and women to vote than any previous presidential candidate. How could it not be impressive to see the new Bobby Kennedy of our day in the White House?

In the words of Gabriel when he revealed the Holy Qur'an to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in the cave: "READ." Please do not let your arrogance be the fuel for your ignorance.

I believe that Rhymefest sums things up we'll.....

>I'll recheck my facts on the Iran issue...but i saw that
>somewhere early in my research of his career...anyways
>whatever with politics at the end of the day on a national
>level...your vote on that level does NOT count...see Electoral
>College...unless a redistribution of the wealth and moneys
>made during slavery and the slave trade or an outlaw of the
>federal reserve system or a withdrawal of all U.S. Forces from
>soverign nations that no longer require their presence for
>security or an abolishment of the NSA and Homeland Security
>and U.S. funded terrorist organizations...then politics and
>democracy (which the real definition is "social equality" when
>was the last time u saw that ???) on national level is simply
>another reality show to keep u entertained and distracted
>while the REAL world powers get their plans in order to
>really fuck us over...Read some Chomsky and watch Zeitgeist
>the movie most of it ain't a bunch of bullshit...good night
>OKP...Thanx for all the online love on the album...
>
>Go God!!!

This is what Rhymefest had to say about Lupe's comments:




Recently, a prominent Hip-Hop website asked an artist who they supported in the 2008 presidential primaries. Shockingly, their response was Hilary Clinton. Now, I'm not one to judge a person's political, religious or artistic views; however, the reasons that this artist gave were so ****ing erroneous and outrageous that it compels me to speak out, even if only to give fans the right information so that we are not following uninformed-ass rappers down the hole of 'abstract nothingness.'

First of all, the facts:
Barack Obama has stated he is not opposed to military action against Iran if they were persistent in their ambitions to obtain nuclear weapons; weapons being the operative word. However, he also states that as president, he plans to talk to Iran without preconditions about certain assurances in the context of them showing some good faith, as well. Barack Obama stated “I think it is important for us to send a signal that we are not hell-bent on regime change, just for the sake of regime change, but expect changes in behavior. And there are both carrots and there are sticks available to them for those changes in behavior.” This clearly does not describe the agenda of a candidate who supports 'the bombing of Iran and all that stuff.'

I would be very interested to know if this particular artist even knows what Hilary Clinton's position is pertaining to military action against Iran; and, no, I'm not giving him the answer.

Barack Obama being the only Black senator from Illinois automatically gives me a sense of pride and appreciation for his journey. Of course, for America to be flipped on its axis with a qualified woman president would be a significant milestone in this chapter of our country's history. But, I fail to see how a qualified Black man as president wouldn't be just as significant a milestone. Please, to all artists who dare to speak on political issues in this election: understand that Barack Obama won the Iowa caucus by inspiring more young people and women to vote than any previous presidential candidate. How could it not be impressive to see the new Bobby Kennedy of our day in the White House?

In the words of Gabriel when he revealed the Holy Qur'an to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in the cave: "READ." Please do not let your arrogance be the fuel for your ignorance.

Act II?

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Do you Lu...thats all i gotta say...

One of the ways a civilian has the ability to change things is through a vote. Being a bystander who's partially involved doesn't seem like the best way to start a trend. Imagine if everyone else did the same?


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http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:nDG7Hy2daNEJ:www.antiwar.com/justin/%3Farticleid%3D10181+barack+obama+bombing+iran&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a

As you can see this article/his statements are over a year old, and the situation with Iran has changed, and I don't think anyone is saying bomb them at this point. I can't point you to anything specific about his current views right now (hopefully someone else can), but I believe it is a dead issue and he has cleared up his views at this point.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/us/politics/01cnd-obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

*edit*

I'd also like to point out in the earlier article posted Obama said that bombing Iran would be a LAST resort if Iran was PROVEN to have nuclear weapons and the capability to use them.

I'm not even a Democrat and I know that Obama isn't on the war path....

Last year, every candidate (minus Ron Paul) was saying pretty much the same thing regarding Iran. Obama was the only candidate that took it a step further and said he would go to war with Iran only as a LAST OPTION if the facts were proven. (just as said above)

In light of recent events and facts coming to surface Im pretty sure his stance has changed.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

Opposed Bush-Cheney Saber Rattling: Obama opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which says we should use our military presence in Iraq to counter the threat from Iran. Obama believes that it was reckless for Congress to give George Bush any justification to extend the Iraq War or to attack Iran. Obama also introduced a resolution in the Senate declaring that no act of Congress – including Kyl-Lieberman – gives the Bush administration authorization to attack Iran.

Obama, to my knowledge, has not advocated war with Iran and seems to describe the decision to attempt to declare the Quds arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as 'terrorists' to be dangerous sable rattling.

Obama did not vote when this matter came before the Senate. Clinton, who Lupe supports, voted in favor. While not voting is not the same as opposing, voting in favor is an obvious 'pro' stance.

Lupe would be better to oppose Hillary and question Obama's failure to vote, but to support Hillary when he opposes Obama out of concern for Iranian policy is DEEPLY MISGUIDED.

As for what you post, Obama's position as near as I can tell supports a limited force remaining in Iraq. Considering the largest U.S. embassy in the world has now been built in Iraq, some U.S. military presence there is to be expected and pretty much every mainstream politician who is to the right of Kucinich would fall in line there (I believe Kucinich, a staunch anti-imperialist, wants total withdrawal).

Not voting for Obama will not hasten total withdrawal. This is a bit of compromise...in that Obama is the candidate both likely to be able to win AND likely to significantly draw down forces (although he will not totally withdraw).

edit: the author of the article linked above is conflating missle strikes with all-out war on iran...while i generally oppose missle strikes b/c of their tendency to cause high civilian casaulties and their general ineffectiveness militarily (afghanistan '98, anyone?). however, missle strikes are generally supported by centrists such as obama and (bill) clinton. i'm not expecting obama to radically alter the way our military operates and no one should expect any major presidential candidate to do so

*excessive political talk snipped*

um, i can talk about this for ages. but this is still the lesson. i'm an obama guy. folks with questions, hit the inbox.
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but damn that man has as much right as you to speak.

Peace,

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You're obviously reaching because he's allowed political views that you or anybody disagrees with.

It's pretty sad.

That being said, OBAMA JUST CRUSHED IOWA MOTHAFUCKAS!

...he needs to go back and reexamine why he supports hillary, because some--scratch that, most--of the reasoning in his quoted statements is flawed.

>...he needs to go back and reexamine why he supports hillary,
>because some--scratch that, most--of the reasoning in his
>quoted statements is flawed.

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It wasn't to discuss or debate political ideas. Don't you think 90% of rappers have clownable political positions?

You gotta know that they're open for scrutiny, especially when you go around name dropping authors/philosophers to prove how smart you are. Game recognize game, my degree's in english, I know how to talk at length without saying anything substantial. That's all Lupe does and lots of people praise him for it.

Granted Lupe's reputation on this board draws more attention, but I think a lot of these comments would still be made regardless. I can only speak for myself, though.

if jay or cam (ha!) or whoever else shared their political opinions that's fine. there is nothing wrong with Lupe wanting to speak political. My problem is that he apparently doesn't have his facts straight, but is trying to sound educated on the topic and that his opinion, BASED on his shared facts, is legit. but he's mis-informed big time. If Jay or whoever else said the same things, that Obama wants to bomb Iran, Hillary is the candidate of real change as opposed to Obama, don't bother voting because it's not worth it, etc... I would call them out for being politically ill-educated, too.

But just because we're criticizing their beloved Lupe, we're hating. Sans the fact that none of the people screaming hater have addressed the fact that he was severely misinformed.

If any rapper with a reasonable profile made a comment like this, we'd be on it.

Hell, there was just like an 80-something deep post on Cage, dude, Cage. We barely ever talk about dude and he's mos def not mainstream, but when he said something controversial peeps discussed.

Do any of you know who Cage is voting for?

I get what you're saying though. I just think if any artist who is on OKP's radar said something similar, we'd be on that shit. Granted Grandmaster Bud ain't going to get as many responses, but if we saw it we'd probably say something, or at least I would. It's a mix of both content and his rep on this board.

somebody just to sit him down, and explain to him to think about what he says before he says it.

Just when I finally get back on the Lupe bandwagon (his new stuff is niiice) he says something "STUPID" to f*ck it all up!

Lupe, I have nothing but respect for you, but you are mixing up your candidates. True, Obama doesn't have much experience but it was your girl Hillary who was gung-ho about Iran! She's so busy trying to prove that a woman can do the job just like a man (meaning war) that she is turning off some of her strongest supporters. Obama actually wanted to do what should be done, TALK IT OUT FIRST! ACT LATER!

I'm quick to go either Obama or Edwards, forget Hill.


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lol

and obama is muslim just like you!

Obama's not Muslim.

my bad

It's like he HATES feeling like people have him pegged and that he should act or behave a certain way or do things that are expected because of who he is and the type of music he makes. I suspect that many people see Barack, a Black candidate, and then make the foregone conclusion that any Black person is going to support him (which DOES annoy me).

So in this case, Lupe goes the unexpected route again and is like "naw, I won't be voting for the Black candidate whose from my state" lol and instead voices his support for his competitor. Now, there's nothing at all wrong with him not automatically falling in line behind Obama or preferring Hillary (or Edwards or Huckabee or whoever), it's just his reasoning behind supporting one and not the other is embarrassing and misinformed as hell.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

Like dude feeling the need to drop a name associated with high academia in almost every interview. It screams "look at me I'm smart, I've read Neitzsche and Chomsky." Yet he hasn't expressed any original ideas to show that he's actually soaked that information in. It's kind of hilarious and pathetic when you think about it.

somehow he has it in his mind that what he says is something deep or of substance.

and apparently somebody has told him that to keep him going on and on and not realizing he sounds like a fool.

like i said above, he needs a big homie to sit down with him and straighten him out.

dude embarrasses himself each time he opens his mouth.

look at dan ackryte posts. All these contrarians wanna bash anything not mainstream as being gay or boho or not real. It's no different.

A LIEEEEEEEEE? © your local freshie.

...OBJECTING. Something politics is based on, and if he's going to give an opinion on the matter, he better expect it to get analyzed. Most of the replies in here is calling him out for his sense of politics being flawed, and most everyone is not flat out hating on him, like with that ATCQ shit, but arguing against his position with their own facts, and trying to educate a brother who clearly has it twisted.

what's wrong whith him expressing his opinion when asked? wtf is wrong with ya'll?

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1526287&mesg_id=1526287&page=#1526951

it's still his opinion based on his truths.

this posts title says he shouldn't express his opinion

but it should say. i disagree with lupe siding with hillary

>it's still his opinion based on his truths.

You seriously don't see anything wrong with someone criticizing him for coming to his conclusion based on false or maybe simply a misunderstanding of information?


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

i see a problem with someone criticizing his right to EXPRESS those "truths"

is not saying you don't have the right to express yourself. That's just sound advice.

but i feel you.

I'm just one of those cats who would say something anyway. I don't care if it's a rapper, a cat in the barbershop or someone on the street. If I heard anyone say that, I'd say something. Then again, I like to debate, so that's just my nature.

That's what irks me about cats simply saying "you hatin." Most of us are here because we like the art of debating. In most cases, you can't do that shit in real life. When I do, the only response I get is, "*sigh* This nigga." lol.

i get "where you movie at?"

or "this art school fool. you hate on everything now"

Her exact words, "You always pick that weird shit."

i can pick em. i just can't talk about them

my mom's has a master's and shit. So I thought she would appreciate more intellectually challenging shit, but she's like, "I wanna be entertained, not have my mind blown."

he's basing his opinion on something that's wrong. Most aren't being mean-spirited in their replies. I called him childish, which I whole-heartedly believe, but I'm not hating. I'm just stating things as I see them. We weren't even talking about the album before someone said we were just hating on Lu. My stance has been the same from jump. The Cool is cool, as in lukewarm, and he's dead wrong on this issue.

we have all had an idea at some point we believed were based on facts only to learn that the info was twisted

don't get me wrong. i don't agree with Lupe.

now interpretations of said facts can be different, but the core elements remain the same.

fact's may be what's on the page, but peoples interpretations is what we have to deal with on a day to day basis

what somebody tells you is based on their interpretation of what someone else said which is based on the interpretation of the writer of an article they read.

semantics get tricky.

double post

I feel like I missed something

I like Lupe's music.

(post-comedian correction)

that was Dave not CR...

Eye mixed them up.

...man, dave really needs to come with a new stand up special ..one of the few cats i can watch over and over and always laugh my ass off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3CJ_3JdgAg

n/m

He also wore an X hat to his Christmas dinner to appear "edgy".

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These attack/defend Lupe posts have NEVER been good.

if i had a dollar for everytime a rapper said some dumb shit around election time i'd be cakin.

in fact she tries to "out do" Obama in threatening to bomb Iran, etc.
every chance she gets

they're both fighting to see who can be the most pro-Israel, and appear
the "toughest" on the Middle East.....

what THEE f*ck??

it's completely misleading

prime example,

in the lead up to the Iraq war, what did Bush say?

did he say, I want to bomb Iraq, I want to invade Iraq?

NO!

he hid behind the excuse of supposed "weapons of mass destruction"

he even gave Saddam, what like 48 hours or so, to cede control of the
country.........

Bush went to the UN (for show)

he got allies (only a few, and a lot of weak states)

hell he had "the good guy" Colin Powell stuntin, lying about Iraq
having mobile chemical weapons labs and sh*t

does some of that sound familiar?

"we" can't "allow" Iran to have nuclear weapons? hmmmm???

the US has gone before the UN and the International Atomic Energy
Agency to pursue a fake ass "diplomatic" approach, etc.

you can apply that same punk ass "editor's note" to Bush's approach
to Iraq.......... but would you??? hell no, cause it's obviously
bullsh*t

both Obama AND Clinton are on record as saying the US can not tolerate
a nuclear armed Iran, aka, they would use military force to stop Iran
from getting a nuclear bomb, sh*t is it that difficult to comprehend??

the generic phrase 'we can't allow iran to have nuclear weapons' is a basic bipartisan beltway position that in no way suggests the speaker supports all-out imminent war. obama couples the assertion that he doesn't want iran to have nuclear weapons with demands for direct talks between the u.s. and iran. bush wasn't saying 'saddam, you have 48 hours to sit down and talk to me', he said you have two days to prove a negative (impossible) before the bombs fall, i.e. the bombs will fall no matter what you do (b/c you can't definitively prove you don't have something within a country's borders in two days).
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just curious?

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On his albums.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>On his albums.
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>Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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nah, you right.

Alot of people might not agree with what he said but he made some valid points especially about the electoral college its an outdated system that needs to be removed completely I think that the election in 2000 showed that. But I agree that Obama might not be ready but Im not sure about Hillary either though shit I;d rather have Bill back and call it a day.

one- to get rid of it means to amend the constitution, because it's unconstitutional for INDIVIDUAL people to vote for a president. that's why the 12th amendment was made as a loophole.

why it's unconstitutional? because our population isn't equal in density. and every state isn't equal in density. we may have the majority of the population living on the east coast, but they don't speak for middle america, nor does middle america speaks for the west coast or alaska or hawaii.

and as for individual states, something like NYC with their 11-13 million people ARE NOT the respresentation of the STATE OF NY, regardless if that small area make the majority of the population.

that's why electors are there..to represent those respective areas within that state.

it's ALSO the reason why it IS imparitive for people not just to get involve in voting every 4 years, but throughout...learn how this process works...these electors AREN'T picked, but VOTED for...our influence DOES matter...

the PROBLEM which LUPE proven so well that we are misinformed...and misinformation will ALWAYS going to hold us back...

dont see whats so bad about this. people are just trying to find fault with him for something.

Don't see what his purpose was on callin Lu out...so what if Lu wants Hilary to win...HES NOT VOTING AND DOESN'T VOTE! Let the man do him...everytime he says something SOMEONE has to come out and say something and its annoying me lol...If he wants to support Hilary for whatever reason he so chooses then FUCK IT! LET HIM DO HIM!

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they're ALL fucked up

joker: (to rachel) a little fight in you....i like that

batman: then you're gonna love me

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that bit is hilarious