I try to do somn like this in the Prince Month posts....but there just isnt room for it....that post is too big and all encompassing to get into deep discussion about P's albums....

I didnt want to make a separate post in June because that dilutes the Prince month post...

that and I never get all the way down the list....

so this post is for that purpose....to really get in DEEP about the Purple Midget's MUSIC...

not his costumes, his pimpery, his hair, his live performances, etc....

but his MUSIC, on his albums...

I'd like to hear your thoughts, your critiques, etc on the music of the Mr. Nelson.....

Dr. Claw's excellent replies in the Prince Month post are the type of response that make for great discussion....

you up for it?

we'll do a couple albums per day....




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1. "For You" – 1:06
2. "In Love" – 3:38
3. "Soft and Wet" (C. Moon, Prince) – 3:01
4. "Crazy You" – 2:17
5. "Just as Long as We're Together" – 6:24
6. "Baby" – 3:09
7. "My Love Is Forever" – 4:09 (co-written by Moon, but not credited)
8. "So Blue" – 4:26
9. "I'm Yours" – 5:01

The album that started it all....

The first and ONLY time P would be seen on his albums with a 'fro...

the 27 instrument thing was bullshit....listing all the synths he used each as an instrument = lame...

High points include the acapella For You intro, the George Duke inspired Soft and Wet(check out Morning Sun from George's 1978 album, Dont Let Go...where do you think he first saw Sheila E.?...executive producer, Tommy Vicari worked for Duke as well)the way too short Crazy You and the irresistible My Love Is Forever....

Most critics say that this album is run of the mill....I disagree...
the trademark Minneapolis sound is present from the get go...the songs are well written...

there are some bumps, I'm Yours is super cliche' and you cant hear anything P is saying during the verses...Baby is a bit sappy...some of the sex talk is mad clumsy...some of the disco is cool and some of it is not as effective as it could be...

He just needed time to refine the formula...

Scorp's rating: 3.50/5.00

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"Crazy You" ain't no punk either.

The Doc had that on repeat for over an hour, no lie.
And it still never gets old.

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as opposed to the sounds he evolved into later...

and what did you dig abt this song in particular....



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and then he bridged the gap between AM Rock, downtempo Disco, and 70's Soul.

It was perfect mix of all the shit I like...

*and i still think the related "Jelly Jam" is the funkiest thing he ever recorded

why is THAT song superior to the rest of his catalogue?




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just the freshness... the buoyancy... the innocence of it.

and it's funky.

how does that differ from say, Lady Cab Driver, which is based on live instrumentation?....


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but i don't think it's *just* that... even when the stuff is live, it often doesn't get me because it's either over- or under-played.

make no mistake, there are plenty - PLENTY! - of tracks he's got that i think are funkier than fishgrease, but most of it... i dunno.

i actually hate it when he's *trying* to be funky... or rather, when he's trying to be a "funkster."

i hate it when Prince is referred to as a "funk musician" the same way i hated it when people called Sly Stone a funk musician.

i know that calling them "funksters" probably makes a lot of straight-laced funk fans like W***** C******* very happy, but i think both of them are so much more than that, and both were much more interesting when they weren't consciously trying to be "Black."

>and it's funky.


THIS is where "The Rule" came from. I used this song, "Sexy Dancer", and "Soft and Wet" in an argument that the Little Dude WAS Funky, and I got clowned, branded as a P***** hater, and pretty much banned from all P***** posts.

"P***** ain't funky!!! You've lost your MIND, son!!! GTFOOHWTBS"


How is dude NOT funky? I'll never understand that.

might be Prince's most dated song

I dig it too but god damn if that shit isn't disco-fied

from his 84 East days?

That shit is disco as hell too. I think I like it more than "Just As .." though

like... in 10 years, maybe

can't remember it too good.

For some reason I always say 84. I think I just associate Prince with 1984 or something.

But yeah, most of that stuff isn't all that good. I just dig that one track.

>I dig it too but god damn if that shit isn't disco-fied


Disco Music makes the world go' round...

But that sound is trapped in an era

>But that sound is trapped in an era


Certain styles of Rock, Certain Styles of Hip-Hop, Blues, Funk, etc.

>1. "For You" – 1:06
>2. "In Love" – 3:38
>3. "Soft and Wet" (C. Moon, Prince) – 3:01
>4. "Crazy You" – 2:17
>5. "Just as Long as We're Together" – 6:24
>6. "Baby" – 3:09
>7. "My Love Is Forever" – 4:09 (co-written by Moon, but not
>credited)
>8. "So Blue" – 4:26
>9. "I'm Yours" – 5:01

Some thoughts:
The a capella intro is no joke... what's interesting is that, being so short, there's obviously not a verse-chorus structure, or even a true recurring melody... yet it sticks in the head and it's easy to sing along to. For the first recorded track on a major album, that's one way to make a legacy mark.

I've always heard this album as a Prince slightly restrained, hesitating to go all the way (or maybe he just hadn't figured out that he was only half-ballin' it). Same thing with the self-titled album. Think about "Soft and Wet"... it's almost too tight to my ears, could be a bit more loose.

Crazy You and So Blue are two of my favorite Prince tracks, period. Crazy You is amazing to me for much the same reason that the intro is... the melody is very understated and yet after one listen folks are able to sing along. The instrumentation is also very understated... and we get the first taste of Prince's slow, stretched out bass playing that, for me, is such a trademark of some of his best work. (That sort of fretless sound)

Just As Long As We're Together and My Love Is Forever both have that disco P thing going on... I actually really enjoy both tunes for what they are - strangely enough, the former, despite its absolute corniness (or maybe because of it), makes me pretty happy - but get a little embarrassed once the song is over and I've stopped dancing. Embarrassed both for Prince, for myself, and for my dancing.

I'm Yours warned us that Prince would write attempt to write big dramatic songs on a regular basis and that he'd sometimes succeed and fail just as often... too bad that the warning sign itself was a bit of a failure. Good for a laugh though. :)


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I was always mesmerized at how did played all that shit by himself on the Rock-flavored/Uptempo/Dancefloor shit on the old albums ( songs like "Bambi", "Sexy Dancer", "Head", etc..

Now I'm into the music for Funs sake, just like anybody else, but his earlier stuff made me listen *through* music, not *to* music.I learned a LOT about production values from listening to that little dude. I guess he was one of the first people that made me realize that DIY shit can STILL turn out just like you want it to, if you've got the chops that is...


now, I'm outta here until I can simply answer 'yes' or 'no'.

he was the first artist that folks made a big deal abt playing his whole shit on his albums....

Stevie was doing that, but alot of people had no idea that Stevie played drums....and becuz most of Stevie's shit was keyboards, ppl discounted that....

alot of musicians can play more than one thang..its fairly common in fact....

its more rare to find a musician that ONLY plays one instrument....

most drummers and horn cats play piano in order to learn chords and such for writing/production/reading purposes...


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the minute I figured out what overdubs and multitrackng were, I gave up being a Rock Star, and starting looking at the knobs and switches. I was the kid that always played with tape recorders and made homemade edits of sounds and shit.


If I could make a million dollars doing both, I'd MUCH rather be a producer/remixer than be a performer.

1. "I Wanna Be Your Lover" – 5:47
2. "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?" – 3:49
3. "Sexy Dancer" – 4:18
4. "When We're Dancing Close and Slow" – 5:18
5. "With You" – 3:55
6. "Bambi" – 4:22
7. "Still Waiting" – 4:24
8. "I Feel for You" – 3:24
9. "It's Gonna Be Lonely" – 5:30

Having gone way overbudget on For You, P's 2nd album was a much smaller affair...

Recorded in a basement studio, this album was completed in 6 weeks....

we know the highlights...the hidden gems here are the sparse ballads...

With You, When Were Dancing..., and the rock-ish Its Gonna Be Lonely provide the most satisfying musical moment besides the hits....

Sexy Dancer is a funk classic....

no one could guess Prince's next move....

Scorp's Rating: 3.25/5.00

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I did not know about the extended jam on the LP version of I Wanna Be Your Lover for a while, and was woo-hah'ed when I did.

at what point did you discover it?

had you heard other P albums before this one?

had you heard For You before you heard this?

if so, how do you think the two compared?



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For You was to derivative of this-and-that, Prince was just that...dude coming into his own sound. A lot fewer people could do Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad at that point than could do Just As Long As We're Together.

I did hear For You before self-titled. When I discovered Prince, I made the conscious choice to go chronologically...

the Prince Album was the first time you could Tell he was going to be a Monster. It was a cohesive album that showed all of his skills. I still listen to it all the time. I love the way it's sequenced

I think that the 1979 album lacks color....I think he just dumbed his music down, for lack of a better term....

he had good reason for that, tho....

he burned up the recording budget for his ENTIRE deal on the first album(I think his budget for each album was 60K and he spent 180K on For You) and he needed to recoup badly....he was seriously in the hole....

the 1979 album is good, but nothing spectacular, IMO...



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I remember picking it up the day it dropped (on Sale at Tower for $3.99). I already had the single of "I Wanna Be Your Lover" and didn't expect a lot out of the album really. While I liked "For You" Prince wasn't a cat I was really checking for. It sat on my dresser for damn near a week before I sliced open the plastic and put it on the turn-table.

I remember skipping over IWBYL and going right to track #2 Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad. That cut just blew me away. That cut just sounded so fresh and different I couldn't get enough of it. I played it a second time before moving to track #3 Sexy Dancer. Once I got a minute into Sexy Dancer, I picked the neddle up and went back to track #1. I wanted to hear this album from start to finish to get a good feel for what I had here. Now I have to admit, I think this album loses steam in it's second half, but I still think those 3 cuts together make up the best opening to any of his albums.

This was the first Prince record I bought. It was a mystical experince for me. I was intrigued by the cover. Just him on the front staring out. Sort of innocent and unadorned. And the back with him on a unicorn spoke to him being otherworldly. There is something very innocent and direct about his first two albums. U can hear the lonely ambitious teenager in him. I think that is what drew me to Prince not just the grooves but the human being he pesented in those grooves.

>This was the first Prince record I bought. It was a mystical
>experince for me. I was intrigued by the cover. Just him on
>the front staring out. Sort of innocent and unadorned. And the
>back with him on a unicorn spoke to him being otherworldly.
>There is something very innocent and direct about his first
>two albums. U can hear the lonely ambitious teenager in him. I
>think that is what drew me to Prince not just the grooves but
>the human being he pesented in those grooves.



Bambi was a good sissyfied Hendrix rip. Everything else you said was on point, but I think this when he started using the lemon peels and sitting in the shade.

>This was the first Prince record I bought. It was a mystical
>experince for me. I was intrigued by the cover. Just him on
>the front staring out. Sort of innocent and unadorned. And the
>back with him on a unicorn spoke to him being otherworldly.
>There is something very innocent and direct about his first
>two albums. U can hear the lonely ambitious teenager in him. I
>think that is what drew me to Prince not just the grooves but
>the human being he pesented in those grooves.

that's why Prince's first three (or four) albums are definitely my favorites, even though most diehard Prince fans find them boring.

"Sexy Dancer" and "I Wanna be Your Lover" got MAD burn in my Disco Sets.


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the intro to that song is just plain HELLISH.


he channeled Jimi on that joint.

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followed closely by For You, even though those two albums are nowhere near Prince's most interesting.

As disco dj said, tracks 1-3 automatically solidify it as worthy. "Bambi" and "I Feel For You" also being on this album is a plus. What's left is the ballads, which aren't too bad, ITDO.

Lately, The Doc has found himself playing "Sexy Dancer" a whole lot. There's a riff on the keys somewhere in there that sounds eerily similar to one Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis used on one of their songs with Janet Jackson, "What Have You Done For Me Lately". Maybe that was their way of getting Prince back for firing them. LOL.

This album jams and it rocks and it slows you down. Plus, it's devoid of a lot of the "extra" that filled Prince's albums from 1980-1984. So, with that in mind, The Doc finds himself playing this a whole lot.

>1. "I Wanna Be Your Lover" – 5:47
>2. "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?" – 3:49
>3. "Sexy Dancer" – 4:18
>4. "When We're Dancing Close and Slow" – 5:18
>5. "With You" – 3:55
>6. "Bambi" – 4:22
>7. "Still Waiting" – 4:24
>8. "I Feel for You" – 3:24
>9. "It's Gonna Be Lonely" – 5:30

I think P comes into his own a lot more here, and the result is that this is the beginning of P's influence on *other* artists. For instance, if you don't here the sexy dancer key and synth solos all over Me'shell Ndegeocello's stuff, you're not listening close enough. And P's take on the muffled vocals of Sly come into their own on this album, especially on the ballads... and if you can't hear some of that influence all over D's Voodoo, you're sleeping.

When I said in the last post that a lot of "For You" felt restrained, I guess you could compare "Soft and Wet" to "I Wanna Be Your Lover"... the latter feels much more organic, some room to be a shade offbeat (and be okay)...

"Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?" is classic Prince to me. There are a number of styles at work in the tune - just like on "I Feel For You" - and yet it still sounds coherent, which is quite an amazing feat.

I think my fav of the ballads: "Still Waiting"

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but Its Gonna Be Lonely had that AM Rock thang going for it...

Im the only person who thinks Prince was a step back....he was FORCED to sharpen his formula because he didnt have the money or time to be grandiose....


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classic! nothing is wrong with this album. all the songs are tight. one of my all time favorites(ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS EVER MADE!).


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>classic! nothing is wrong with this album. all the songs are
>tight. one of my all time favorites(ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS
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true words. this is by far my favorite prince album

because if not, I'm gonna start checking cats on that "he plays 7,928,384 instruments" argument.

Drums, Guitars and Keys. that's pretty much 3 instruments. Everything else is an extension of those three. Yeah, he can play Glockenspiel, but that's basically piano. Show me some Saxophone...



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and hinted that he might play it on his records in the future....

that never happened, tho...

I'd say P doesnt play a horn....


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wasn't his old man's original band a three man Jazz combo?

Francis L. in Purple Rain is based directly on John L. Nelson(RIP)...


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has anybody ever unearthed any of their shit? Is it any good?


You'd think he'd re-release his old man's shit. Just as a gift to his Pops.

and I think that he did release somn somewhere, but good luck finding it....

P credited his dad with co-writes on a few songs:
Computer Blue
The Ladder
Christopher Tracy's Parade

I think the only one he really had a hand in was Computer Blue....the second section of that song is called Father's Song because its largely based on a John L. Nelson composition...


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Could be completely wrong.

And I don't think the argument was ever how many instruments he played, but just the fact that he was able to instrumentally hold down 4+ of his best LPs all by his lonesome, width of instrument-prowess withheld.

You're right. The 27 instruments thing was a PR generated boast based on the many different synths he played on the first album. They also had him pretend to be two years younger for a while.

I've always wondered if people actually thought of each of those as a different instrument back then or if it was pure hyperbole. Anyone?

but didn't keep up with it.

>because if not, I'm gonna start checking cats on that "he
>plays 7,928,384 instruments" argument.
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>Drums, Guitars and Keys. that's pretty much 3 instruments.
>Everything else is an extension of those three. Yeah, he can
>play Glockenspiel, but that's basically piano. Show me some
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Nah, my Baby sitter had a teenaged daughter and she was a HUGE P***** fan from day one, so I heard all that 70's shit when it was new. she'd always play those joints around the crib. By the time "Diry Mind" came out, I knew dude was serious.

Was one of the SMARTEST decisions in music history.

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1. "Dirty Mind" (with Doctor Fink) – 4:11
2. "When U Were Mine" – 3:44
3. "Do It All Night" – 3:42
4. "Gotta Broken Heart Again" – 2:13
5. "Uptown" – 5:30
6. "Head" – 4:40
7. "Sister" – 1:33
8. "Partyup" (Morris Day) – 4:24



This was the one.

Prince got a new guitar and it changed his sound...he went into his new home studio and cut some tracks...

P surprised his live audiences during his 1979/1980 live appearances by "rocking out" his funky R&B tunes...he decided to record that way...

influenced by guitarist Dez Dickerson and his own desire to break the mold, Prince laid down some joints without regard for chart success... just for kicks....

Depending on who you ask, either his management heard the tapes and decided that it would be the new album or Prince demanded that this be his new album...

after alot of convincing the label, this was the new Prince album...

the cover put everyone on notice...

Prince, in stark black and white, glowering at the camera, wearing only black bikini briefs, trench coat and a scarf signaling a definite shift...

the album still had funk and disco, but the new wave and rock rhythms dominated the new material...

Prince became much bolder in his lyrical approach...singing about darker, more lurid themes...

Sex was the order of the day, to shock and to liberate...

touches of explicit language made the album a hot topic....

critics sat up and took notice, fans loved what they heard.....

This was the breakthrough, and the legend began....

though the album was not a smash, it was a success nonetheless....

the brilliant opening title track was Prince's new Minneapolis sound...cold but funky.....hard yet sensual...sparse but satisfying...

Head, was an instant funk classic...

Uptown, Prince's vision of Utopia rode on a stallion-like disco bassline(some say the bassline was authored by Andre Cymone)offset by dirty guitar...

Sister was a short tale of incest with no other purpose but to shock...

Partyup showcased Prince's political thoughts, something rarely heard from Black artists in the post disco era....

Prince had finally arrived musically...

Scorp's Rating: 5.00/5.00

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I love this album.
this is my favorite kind of prince.
no holds barred, funk/glam/new wave/?

and this post came at the right time because a friend of mine doesn't like this album like he should (ha), and I had to check him after i saw he had deleted (YES, DELETED) the second half of the album from his iPOD. I mean, to me, that's the best part.

"Uptown" – 5:30
"Head" – 4:40
"Sister" – 1:33
"Partyup" (Morris Day) – 4:24

That's the best part of the album. THIS is the meat. This is just a jam session layed on top of another jam session.

Now I understand the raunchy (and almost uncomfortable) lyrics that come with "Sister", and trust you won't catch me singing this in the ride, but it's still funky! "I was only 16 but I guess that's no excuse..."

Head is probably one of the top 5 funkiest Prince tracks of all time. Hands down. More funky that anything he's ever put out for himself, the Time, Vanity 6, Madhouse, ANYBODY!

This is all just some rant, but let me say this:

Dirty Mind, for me, is great because it's short and to the point. I can listen to it in one sitting and get the entire story. I love it.

how did you feel abt it after your first listening?

did you dig it right away or did you warm to it?



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I discovered Dirty Mind about 5 years ago. I know...not long. But I had been going through the Prince albums LP by LP loving everything. For You was cool, I really liked Prince (even though I had heard most of it), but then came Dirty Mind. I knew nothing about it really. In fact, I was first going to skip it and go straight to Controversy cause I knew more of those joints. Thank god I didn't.

I can tell you exactly where I was when it hit me too. I was working 3rd shift for the Tribune, and I was on my way home from the south suburbs after a long long night of newspaper drama. I was crossing these train tracks and I was right in between Head and Sister. That thrilling end of Head with that sound effect came on and Sister came on and I was gone. The sub in my car was sounding great, and I played Head, Sister and Party Up over and over until I got home.

I don't know what it is. In most eyes, DM isn't even his best work. I recognize the genius of "Sign", "Parade" and "Purlple Rain", but something SOMETHING always brings me back to Dirty Mind.

You know what also makes me love this album? The Dirty Mind Tour show from 1980. Hearing those songs live really pushed my love for the album.

>I don't know what it is. In most eyes, DM isn't even his best
>work. I recognize the genius of "Sign", "Parade" and "Purlple
>Rain", but something SOMETHING always brings me back to Dirty
>Mind.

they revisit DM even in light of his other superior work....

is it because he's never done anything aras blatantly raw and rebellious as this again?


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The decision to just use the demos for this album instead of re-recording it was one of the KEY factors in how fantastic this LP is.

Musically/production-wise, I think Controversy is the proverbial re-recorded/glossed up Dirty Mind.

"The decision to just use the demos for this album instead of re-recording it was one of the KEY factors in how fantastic"


co-sign.

that sums it up.

at this point PRN just started doin' HIS thang. This ain't really my favorite album of the bunch, but he DEFINITELY came off hard on this one...

"Head" and "Uptown" are my joints.


Maybe I need to give it a spin with 2007 ears...

I often tell my brother that this is Prince at his best (imo). So I remember telling him the story of the jam sessions Prince and the band would have. And how through those jam sessions came a lot of the music, styles and funk of Dirty Mind. Prince would jam with the band for hours, and then he would go back in to the studio and play all of those party himself. Drums, keys, vocals, everything. When I told him that, he kinda scrunched up his face on some, "Well, he didn't do it. The band did."

So we discussed that for a while. I tried to tell him that the talent still lies in Prince, but he wasn't really hearing it. The whole "borrowed ideas" thing didn't work for him.

I've read Per Nilsen's DMSR, and it didn't bother me that Prince used riffs from the band. He went back and played the best ideas from the jam session which made a fantastic album. Is that so wrong? Ha ha ha. I don't know. Can we discuss this?

Does Dirty Mind get left out of "Top Prince" conversations due to this borrowed jam session theory? If that's the case, you could say the Parade is basically a Wendy & Lisa album. No?

ATWIAD.

^^^can't wait for this post.

Prince was the man with the plan, the vision....

its one thing to come up with a great riff or idea...

its a WHOLE DIFFERENT thang to take somebody's riff or idea and make a great song out of it....

the ability to do that made HIM the man...

NOTHING Andre, Dez, Lisa, Wendy or any of his past band members has done rivals any of his classic era shit....




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Lisa was just getting on board thanks to Gayle's exit due to 'Head'. Gayle wasn't cool w/performing that 1.

so it'd be more like a Dez & Andre album.

but it's not.

and the shit wasnt hitting....


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but also the completely outrageous and unrepentant sexuality that he brings to the fore on it

(did i just sound like Toure there?)

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i'm not talking about the songs, just the music, etc.

"Dirty Mind" sounds the least dated of all of Prince's 80's work. It still has freshness to it.

"Controversy" was half-and-half, in that it still had that "wet" sound, yet you can hear the emerging sound of what was going to happen with "1999" which to me is the definitive big-snare, 80's sounding record, that sounds dated in retrospect. "Sign O's the Times" is much like this too.

"Dirty Mind" does not suffer from this problem.

I mean, to make an analogy; Ruff Draft is to Jay Dee as Dirty Mind is to Prince, IMHO.

his least glossy records....cuz they were recorded in his basement....

which is a reason for the raw sound of thes album, which most people miss from his later work....

do you mean, you prefer the production values on this more than his "Big sounding" stuff later on?


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>his least glossy records....cuz they were recorded in his
>basement....
>
>which is a reason for the raw sound of thes album, which most
>people miss from his later work....
>

Dirty Mind sounds glossy as f*ck to me.

I have on CD, i wasn't around to the point where I could purchase Dirty Mind on vinyl when it was first released. lol

To me, "Sign O' the Times" sounds raw and stripped-down on a lot of the songs on that album. 1999 sounds raw too and mechanical too.

Dirty mind sounds cleaner than a muthaf*cker to me. The Dirt, rawness is the content of the lyrics, imo.

>do you mean, you prefer the production values on this more
>than his "Big sounding" stuff later on?
>

not a preference, Dirty Mind just doesn't sound dated. To me, it had more bells and whistles than "1999" or "Sign O the Times".

like, i like the 80's sound because of the nostalgia and time-period, but the airy,big-snare sounds from the 80's decade sound like it pre-dates the 70's. Its as if the 80's regressed from the work that was laid down in the 70's, musically.


Now, I agree with you about The Time record, but that was by design. Prince made an album good enough to bump for The Time, but not as precise and sharp as his own solo joints.

The synth-cheese started to roll in heavy, etc.

lol

thats the dirtiest or at least the most lo fi and demo ish his albums have ever sounded... EVER

definitely the album that is produced according to rock preferences/ideals anyway (ie gritty, not shiny or glossy or 'wet', dirty,etc etc)

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raw or none of that sh*t.

i remember when i heard Dirty Mind.

Throughout the album, i kept thinking "where the f*ck is the grit? that raw sound? cuz I aint hearing it".

"Sign O' the Times" is more "gritty" than Dirty Mind.

I don't hear rawness when I hear Dirty Mind. I hear gloss,wet, and shiny sh*t.

Ya'll muthaf*ckers acting like Dirty Mind was on some Black Sabbath-meets-RZA-production-on-Tical-coming-out-clock-radio-speakers type sh*t.

if it was never mentioned the way it was recorded, none of ya'll sheep would be hollering out how dirty and raw it sounded.

>lol
>
>thats the dirtiest or at least the most lo fi and demo ish his
>albums have ever sounded... EVER
>
>definitely the album that is produced according to rock
>preferences/ideals anyway (ie gritty, not shiny or glossy or
>'wet', dirty,etc etc)

but you compare that to any of the prince albums that came before or after and then compare it to some rock albums of the time - the playing isnt as flash as what prince would do later, its basic, and the production is lo-fi, its dingy and 'small' sounding rather than the tarted up, 'big' crystal clear mainstream production sound that most albums would later sound like in the 80s. its like new wave vs the mainstream rock he would make later.

>but you compare that to any of the prince albums that came
>before or after
>and then compare it to some rock albums of the
>time - the playing isnt as flash as what prince would do
>later, its basic, and the production is lo-fi, its dingy and
>'small' sounding rather than the tarted up, 'big' crystal
>clear mainstream production sound that most albums would later
>sound like in the 80s. its like new wave vs the mainstream
>rock he would make later.

honestly, i really dont see a difference in terms of the sonic-quality before and after on Prince records. the sound is quite pristine, imo, like a Dr. Dre record. like i said, i have it on CD, maybe that makes a difference. maybe on vinyle and cassette you can hear difference

whatever man.... i suppose you cant tell the diff between the sound quality on straight outta compton and chronic 2001 either right?

I figured if moms found my Players Mags I be in some serious trouble but at least she wouldn't think I was gay.

I ended up ditching the Dirty Mind cover all together about a month later. I just hid the record with it's inner sleave inside Gap Band III.

>I just hid the record with it's inner sleave
>inside Gap Band III.


"WHERE THE HELL IS MY GAP BAND ALBUM?!?!?!"

I'm a nerd.

>I figured if moms found my Players Mags I be in some serious
>trouble but at least she wouldn't think I was gay.
>
>I ended up ditching the Dirty Mind cover all together about a
>month later. I just hid the record with it's inner sleave
>inside Gap Band III.


LOL....

because it's so tense and tightly coiled....

there's no chorus...so you dont get release...

the ascending bridge teases you until the middle of the song where we get a release in the second bridge....

then the tension returns and pushes us along until the end...

Im not sure if Im describing it right...

but that tension give the song a dark, dangerous and sexual feel....

like someone behind you on a dark street at night....


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>because it's so tense and tightly coiled....
>
>there's no chorus...so you dont get release...
>
>the ascending bridge teases you until the middle of the song
>where we get a release in the second bridge....
>
>then the tension returns and pushes us along until the end...
>
>Im not sure if Im describing it right...
>
>but that tension give the song a dark, dangerous and sexual
>feel....
>
>like someone behind you on a dark street at night....
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Great description of that track...I feel much the same way...

Also, there's also the weirdness of it...It's not quite rock, it's not quite funk, and it's not quite new wave...That shit sounded like The Cars having a bar fight with members of P Funk after going to a David Bowie concert...

>Also, there's also the weirdness of it...It's not quite rock,
>it's not quite funk, and it's not quite new wave...

^^^that is quintessential Prince in a nutshell.

Everybody's goin
Everybody's goin

i wanted to go!

>Everybody's goin
>Everybody's goin
>
>i wanted to go!

shit I didn't want to go. That place scared the shit out of me. I had this image of a bunch of dudes in trench coats and speedos hangin in some dark and dimly lit club. that's what disturbed me so much about that album. I was both repulsed and drawn to it.

i was in high school when i got Dirty Mind (1990something) so i weren't skurred.

and still scared

especially w/Dirty Mind....

I remember being 4 when the Prince album was out...

I was with my sister in a wrecka stow and I picked up the album....

I turned it over and saw the Pegasus and I was creeped out....

I put the record down immediately...

I didnt warm up to him totally until Purple Rain....



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the 'When Doves Cry' video totally put me off him and Purple Rain. the part w/the split screen where he and the band look like they're melting into themselves...FUCK THAT. scared the bee-jezus outta me. i was 8.

have to do with the acceptance and freedom he spoke of?....

how relevant was the song to you as a gay teen?


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i wanted to go b/c the place reminded me of Berkeley...i mean it sounded like Berkeley. or at least the image of itself Berkeley likes to project. back then i was buying into that...i was stuck on getting the hell out of St. Louis and i wanted to run to the Bay Area real bad. the song tapped that urge.

i was really into songs about escaping misery for utopia. my favorite of them all was Stevie's 'They Won't Go When I Go'.

I think the song is relevant to anyone who feels they have more to offer then thier current world is willing to accept. Very few of us were the prom king or queen.

Shit blew my mind. "He said what?!?"

this was the first album most characteristic of Prince and his notoriety.

This album bridged the gaps between punk, funk, disco, and Top 40 Rock... while also managing to be very dusty and grungy at the same time. Prince's look also changed drastically to match his new sound as well. He looked like a freak, too punk to be funk, with a sound too hip to be what disco had become in the commercial stage. You hear a lot of Prince signatures for the first time on this album, and for that reason, The Doc rates it among his highest work. Of course, with Prince doing the not-so-clean crossover here, Rolling Stone and the like started to take notice.

The title track always grabs The Doc (peace to Dr. "Underrated" Fink), as does "Uptown". The latter is often a treat to hear live, if Prince improvises the lyrics. But what really makes it work is that bassline and the guitar work.

>6. "Head"

Is it true that Gayle Chapman couldn't sing this song and that's was her exit and Lisa Coleman's foray into the band?

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i wish prince did a few more albums in this vein personally but i suppose if he did, we wouldnt have gotten what came after...

pretty much....

but P never stays in the same mold for long....



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dirty mind was the album most designed with underground rock critics and fans in mind - thats not something prince has really been interested in since then.... dirty mind was also very much an album album, cohesive production, basically the same instrumentation in every song, hes never repeated that formula since. dirty mind was basically a blip in his career, controversy was when he really introduced the character/sound that would become 'the prince sound'.

>dirty mind was the album most designed with underground rock
>critics and fans in mind - thats not something prince has
>really been interested in since then.... dirty mind was also
>very much an album album, cohesive production, basically the
>same instrumentation in every song, hes never repeated that
>formula since. dirty mind was basically a blip in his career,
>controversy was when he really introduced the character/sound
>that would become 'the prince sound'.

I had bought 1999 first, but this was the joint that made me a fan.

Dirty Mind is Prince at his rawest. The take me as I am, freed from the constraints of society. It's all summed up in "Uptown". He would and still to this day has visons of Utopia floating around in his Head. He needed to carve out space for him to musically go anywhere he wanted. To announce to the world that he was unique and would not bury that uniqueness by buying into anybodys expectations. And he still rides this way to this day (see free album, 21 night in London, Vegas club stand).

Prince was in love with the power chord back then, something that has escaped his playing today.

I'll start mingling around "Parade"

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1. "Get It Up" – 9:07
2. "Girl" – 5:36
3. "After Hi School" – 4:22
4. "Cool" – 10:06
5. "Oh, Baby" – 4:58
6. "The Stick" – 8:22

In the mid-70's, Prince's band, Grand Central evolved at some point into a band by the name of Champagne...

Morris Day was recruited as the drummer of Champagne from his former band Enterprise to replace Chazz Smith...Day's mother LaVonne Daughtery became the group's manager...

Once Prince partnered with Chris Moon, the band splintered...Prince had signed a contract with Ms. Daughtery, so when Prince left the band, he was required to leave his equipment behind....Prince was very upset about this....

After P signed with Warner in 1977 and recorded his debut, he needed a band....

most of the young musicians in Minneapolis tried out, including Prince's former band members in Grand Central/Champagne...among those rejected for the drum chair were Prince's first cousin Chazz Smith(a decision that outraged the Mpls. music community because Chazz was a much better drummer than the man chosen, Bobby "Z" Rivkin....most believe Rivkin was chosen solely because he's white)...also rejected was another of Prince's former drummers, Morris Day....

After the band was selected, Morris was hired...as a gofer...

the turning point came when Prince was about to release his 3rd album, Dirty Mind in 1980...

Prince had recorded a song that Morris had written, given it new lyrics and titled it Partyup....

Prince offered Morris two choices: in exchange for the song, P would either give him $10,000 or a record deal....

Day chose the record deal...

Morris was to be he drummer of this new group, the rest of the members were assembled from Grand Central/Champagne's rival band Flyte Tyme...

Guitarist Jesse Johnson was spotted by Morris and asked to audition...notably because of his amazing guitar skills and his uncanny resemblance to Prince...

P flew in from a Dirty Mind tour date to audition Johnson...Prince watched Johnson pay for a few minutes, hired him, and left...

the front man position was offered to Alexander O'Neal...O'Neal and Prince did not agree on the terms.....

Prince then appointed Morris to be the lead singer of The Time....Gary "Jellybean" Johnson was moved from guitar to drums....

The Time was born.

The Time album was recorded in Prince's 16 track basement studio...

All the songs were written, produced and performed by Prince save for Morris' lead vocals, a few backing vocal parts, and some synth work by Lisa Coleman and Dr. Fink....

The song After Hi School was written by Morris Day...Cool was written by Prince and Dez Dickerson....

Prince can be heard singing quite clearly on most of the tracks...prompting him to give credit for "co-lead vocals" to Terry Lewis, the group's bass player...

The album hit big in the R&B community upon its release.....the first single, Cool, was embraced by Black radio...

The album itself is short, only 6 songs....most songs are stretched out to include long synth and guitar solos....

The Time was billed as a new age funk band, so the music concentrated on funk and R&B styles....

The album starts with the funk classic, Get It Up....

the two ballads are considered by most critics to be sub-par....even though one of them, Girl, is a favorite with fans...

the other gem on the album outside of Cool is The Stick, which ends the album....

Prince credited his production under an alias(his first), The Starr Company...most of the information on the sleeve of the record is intentionally wrong....

because of this, most of the public didn't know that The Time was essentially a Prince album...

P envisioned The Time as nothing more than an in house opening act and a way to get his funk nut off....

The Time went gold and outsold both Dirty Mind and Controversy....

Little did he know he was Dr. Frankenstein...

Scorp's Rating: 3.75/5.00

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>DAAAAG I didn't know this

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Great book (thanks latenitemix). It explains everything.
I've read it twice and still haven't absorbed everything.

Honestly, after reading that it really changed how I listened to his work.

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but I did not catch the record sales compared to Prince's own albums

because they played straight up funk/R&B and they didnt have the androgyny going on....

They were Prince minus the weirdness....

lots of Black men preferred them over Prince....

most common folk still have no idea that The Time was essentially Prince in disguise....





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>most common folk still have no idea that The Time was
>essentially Prince in disguise....


I can't tell you how many times I heard that back in 81

>>most common folk still have no idea that The Time was
>>essentially Prince in disguise....
>
>
>I can't tell you how many times I heard that back in 81


Funny...And folks didn't realize that it was all Prince on that album with Morris only on the vocals...Oh, the irony...LOL

because really... The Doc was all about that group.
Especially in their initial formation. Finding videos of their live act circa What Time Is It? is ridiculous. The Chili Sauce, Terry Lewis's bass work, Morris and Jerome clowning... the dual keyboards, and of course... (CUT 'EM) Jesse! Prince really knew what he was doing when he assembled the group, and he lost his mind when he dissolved it.

In a way, The Doc's mad Prince hid behind them to release R&B and funk music (though, Prince would also put in some of that new wave/rock stuff in there too, often juxtaposed with their more uptempo songs)... but in another, The Doc's glad for the memories (and the illusions).

musically they sound totally different

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yeah theres some similarities but theyre not that close, otherwise people who liked the time but hated prince wouldnt have felt that way. the time were basically the bridge between slave, cameo, etc and what prince was doing. but they sounded a lot more like those funk groups than prince did. prince was artier, thinner sounding, more new wavey... i know some prince fans who dont like the time cos they think they were clowns.

>musically they sound totally different
>

the style, the way the music was put together, and Morris sounding similar to prince.

"let's work" on Controversy sounds like something the Time would do. Sure, Prince could put less on the bass on his solo recording or change the drums up, but its the same style.

the only difference was the quality of the music. Most of the Time's songs (except for "777-9311") sounded like Prince's table scraps and rough cuts.

why didn't they have the staying power/levearage that Gold acts generally get?


I only recall 3 Time albums. You'd think a Gold Debut could get you more than that.

they broke up in 1984.

Prince went on to assemble another group using some of the members left after the break-up.

back then all these acts were signed to WB under Prince's deal (i believe) and since he was in good-standing at WB all his acts were safe.

reportedly, Morris refused to talk to Prince during the filming of Purple Rain....

Prince would belittle Morris in front of every one numerous times....

Prince also hated on The Time HOARD on the 1999 tour...it was P's first major tour as a headliner....

Vanity 6 would open(with The Time as their band behind a pink curtain), then The Time would go on, then Prince....

the problem was The Time was getting better reception than Prince, they were kicking his ass on a nightly basis....

so Prince went into hate mode..he started making them do their set behind a curtain in some major markets...and in NY and LA deleted them from the bill altogether...

they werent being paid much to begin with and Prince dicked them union-wise by only paying them for one set per night when they in fact did two(their own and backing up V6)....

one of the last nights of the tour, Prince and crew threw food at The Time during their set....

it quickly escalated...Prince had Big Chick Huntsberry(P's head of security lift Jesse Johnson off the stage, took him to a dressing room and handcuffed him to a clothes rack...where P talked shit and threw Doritos at him...Jesse was so angry that he was trying to break the the clothes rack from the wall.....

The Time left the stage(which made THEM look unprofessional)and started fighting and throwing food at The Revolution backstage...

Police and arena security had to calm the situation...

Prince fired Jimmy and Terry of course after the snowstorm in Atlanta....

during rehearsals for Purple Rain, the new bassist was late...

Prince chided Morris...

"where's your bass player? this is costing me 30,000 a day. this is your band. what are you gonna do about this, Morris?..."

Morris started doing coke on the low to deal with the pressure P was putting on him(as was Vanity)....

after filming, Morris showed up for the premiere of Purple Rain, exited hastily and left Prince's camp without notice for a solo career, effectively ending The Time...

Jesse and Monte broke camp as well....Prince took the remaining pieces and created The Family

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what kind of 4th grade shit is that?


I woulda whipped that midgets ass the SECOND I got uncuffed.


Seriously, why id people put up with that kinda shit? ESPECIALLY if, like you said, the money wasn't even that good to begin with?

despite the bullshit....their legacy is solid....

people still love Morris and The Time....

those dudes can reunite anytime and people would check it out....

I remember when Morris put this new Time together...we didnt know it wasnt the original guys....

a concert was announced in Detroit....D'Angelo/The Time/Prince...

Detroit was in tizzy....

that event was canceled but The Time still played....the line was ridiculous....

I didnt get in because I wasnt 21 yet....

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1995. I was a sophmore in college (Umich). They announced the "Purple Rain Reunion Tour" with Prince, The Time and D'Angelo. I was so ready to go to that concert. Then...it didn't happen. I was so pissed. I didn't know that the "Time" still had a show however.

But that was par for the course for those unexpected Prince concerts in the D. Like one year, there were rumors of a Thanksgiving show at the State Theatre. The rumors started Wednesday. It was going to be a hit and run situation. Announce the show then sale tickets later that day for a show the next day. But I "heard" that Prince got made that the State leaked this info to the media and pulled out of the talks.


>a concert was announced in Detroit....D'Angelo/The
>Time/Prince...
>
>Detroit was in tizzy....
>
>that event was canceled but The Time still played....the line
>was ridiculous....
>
>I didnt get in because I wasnt 21 yet....
>
>one word: HEATED

>it quickly escalated...Prince had Big Chick Huntsberry(P's
>head of security lift Jesse Johnson off the stage, took him to
>a dressing room and handcuffed him to a clothes rack...where P
>talked shit and threw Doritos at him...Jesse was so angry that
>he was trying to break the the clothes rack from the
>wall.....

prince really did play some weird mind games with people

hes king of the headfucks

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>I only recall 3 Time albums. You'd think a Gold Debut could
>get you more than that.

Jerk Out was a classic Time jam

were the ONLY good songs on there ("Sometimes I Get Lonely" and "Donald Trump Black Version" were close runner-ups).

Scorp showed me why - those two songs were first demo'd back in the 80s - all of the other shit on Pandemonium was essentially new and done by The Time themselves...

I *think* "Sometimes I Get Lonely" was Prince as well...



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>>I only recall 3 Time albums. You'd think a Gold Debut could
>>get you more than that.
>
>Jerk Out was a classic Time jam



That guitar lick to "Your World" is the fucking shit...

ppl sleep on it....

and Its Your World is funky as hell....


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>and Its Your World is funky as hell....

I slept on this one cut, but I just pulled this CD back out and ummm...errrr...ummm...yeah...

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but it's a trip how 'my summertime thang' and 'the latest fashion' from graffiti bridge are the same song- what's up with that?

an album Prince made with just Morris and Jerome in 89. After the rest of the band got involved again, they scrapped it and started over. Prince then used some of the Corporate World tracks for Graffiti Bridge.

Though, the best song did come from Prince demos ("Jerk Out"), as a cohesive effort, it kicked Ice Cream Castle's ass. There was a lot of the classic Time humor, and nothing really seemed out of place. Even Jesse's "rock guitar" songs like "Skillet".

They broke up because after Prince fired Jimmy and Terry, the band went downhill. After Purple Rain and Ice Cream Castles, the Time was done. Morris went solo, Jesse went solo, Jellybean started to do work with Jimmy and Terry... and at the same time, got brought into The Family with what was left of the Time.

he is ALL over that track...

I'll start talking around the 'Purple Rain' Era(I was 7).

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I know thiz suppoze to be an early group dat Prince iz affiliated wit but iz it any good, I'm not a big big fan of Prince lyke a lot of you are but I've seen one or two albumz by dem and wanted ta bazikally know should I get dem or iz it somethin' only fanz would get to lizten to.

Prince and Andre were session guys for 94 East....they recorded one of Prince's songs, Just Another Sucker....

the rest of the songs are Prince, Dre, and the rest of the band jamming between sessions....

94 East was a project by Prince's mentor and relative Pepe Willie....

the 94 East album released in 1985 is HEAVILY overdubbed with synths and drum machines....

avoid that one...

the unaltered tracks are on a collection called Symbolic Beginnings...

BTW, if anyone has the original Just Another Sucker...holla atcha boy...




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After the breakthrough that was Dirty Mind, Prince came back with Controversy....

most critics look at Controversy as "Dirty Mind pt. 2", and that's REALLY not the case...

yes Controversy built on the Dirty Mind blueprint....but there's more....

somewhere along the way Prince got a new toy...just as Hohner's copy of a Fender Telecaster changed his sound, the Linn LM-1 drum machine cemented it....

the album kicks off with Controversy....having the same rhythmic qualities as the title track from Dirty Mind....this one is deeper, funkier...Prince lets loose his signature James Brown derived rhythm guitar attack...this is also one of my MOST FAVORITEST Prince songs

the guitar and key bass interplay during the "people call me rude" part is insane....

Prince goes deeper in to his politics on this one starting with Sexuality where he decries the dumbing down of America to the advantage of political sharks....

Is this the same guy who made I Wanna Be Your Lover????

Side 1 ends with P's first truly classic ballad....a nasty smoker called Do Me, Baby....

building a ballad on slap bass(most say this song was stolen from Andre Cymone)Prince puts out his boldest come on yet....

side 2 is a whole nother trip with the irresistible candy funk of Private Joy(abt longtime Prince paramour Susan Moonsie of Vanity 6)..you think it aint funky, wait for the break and listen to the bass...

Prince then plunges us deep into his underground beneath the Reaganomic madness above...

decrying Satan's work in society in the VERY slept on Annie Christian(he used a Roland instead of the Linn on this one)...addressing the prez directly in Ronnie Talk To Russia...

in the midst of the politics and paranoia, P hits us with possibly his funkiest cut ever under his own name...the undeniable stomper, Let's Work

and leaving us with a stress reliever on Jack U Off(which prompted Michael Jackson to ask numerous ppl what it meant, though he knew very well...)

Controversy was an album of Prince firsts:
the first Prince scream(YAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!)
the first OWWWAH!
the first P joint with an all Linn Drum beat(Private Joy)

Controversy set us up for what was going to happen next...

Scorp's Rating: 4.25/5.00

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dirty mind was cohesive but from 1981 he would start making albums that were pretty much all over the place stylistically/sonically - he wouldnt be able to sit still for a long time on any one album, which was his strength for the 80s but later became a bit of a princely cliche.

Dirty Mind was great piece of work on an island by itself.

But Controversy was the birth of the "Prince" that thrived in the 80's. It wasn't a complete transition just yet. But you could see what was emerging.

...which led to the 1999 album, which was Prince in full bloom.

I honestly can't believe he made those songs 26 years ago!!! Truly unbelievable.....Man, I work out a lot and run a lot, so I always use my nano...And when Controversy or Private Joy come on, I always get an extra kick...Those songs just bring the funk out of me...

And Do Me Baby is my favorite pre 1999 Prince ballad...That song definately inspired future Prince ballads like 'international lover'...sure they're unique in their own way, but I think Prince tried to make a "Do Me Baby" on most of his future albums....



'Don't rock the boat if you can't swim....'

that extra kick you are talking about...and that freakin bassline...man!...the song Controversy just gets sh*t started better than any Prince song for an album. (the title track, Dirty Mind is a close 2nd).

but yr right, the rhythm guitar on that song is the center...



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i LOVE the rhythm playing on "Controversy"

hell, it was listening to that song that made me make that "I don't really rate Prince as a lead guitarist, but he's one of the best rhythm players ever" post

I thought you said that his lead shit was eh...and you prefer his rhythm playing but you like other rhythm players much better.....



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it give his rhythm playing a signature sound so to speak....

I dont hear alot of cats doing that.....



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If you talking about bass, wtf are bottom strings?

If you talking guitar, the nigga aint doing nothing but dry humping on some power chords on a raggedy ass guitar plugged in directly to the board.

the rhythm guitar on those songs is really full-sounding, but still pretty trebly

if he was indeed plugged directly into the board, i suppose that would account for the crispness and upfrontness to the sound that i love so much

he's playing a rhythm figure on his lower strings rather than his top strings(G-B-E)...although not to the fore...he's done that a bit in his records thru the years....

though the main rhythm figure is played on those strings, what Im talking about is a different figure during the verses(this can be heard right before he sings "Controversy...") and near the end of the song which is probably played on strings A-D-G or possibly D-G-B


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Yeah, basically power chords, and he has kinda stopped doing that.
That was back in Prince's Jack White days, a minimalist approach. vastly dif from his approach on guitar today. Not to say either is wrong, but I would like to see him play some minimal guitar shit.



He tried on the Guitar, but his distortion on there is really feminine and whimpy.


Good observation.



>he's playing a rhythm figure on his lower strings rather than
>his top strings(G-B-E)...although not to the fore...he's done
>that a bit in his records thru the years....
>
>though the main rhythm figure is played on those strings, what
>Im talking about is a different figure during the verses(this
>can be heard right before he sings "Controversy...") and near
>the end of the song which is probably played on strings A-D-G
>or possibly D-G-B
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The title song blew my mind. I still remember being a sexually confused college freshman (well not confused just inexperinced) lying on my bed listening to this song on the radio. Black or white? straight or gay? nude? rude? Prince was off the chain and didn't care who knew it because he knew he was the shit. Has there been a black artist as bold has he?

>The title song blew my mind. I still remember being a
>sexually confused college freshman (well not confused just
>inexperinced) lying on my bed listening to this song on the
>radio. Black or white? straight or gay? nude? rude? Prince was
>off the chain and didn't care who knew it because he knew he
>was the shit. Has there been a black artist as bold has he?

we know.

in terms of sexuality, no....

after Prince....you cant really do anything shocking sexually in music...

unless you wanna count 2 Live Crew, but they are nowhere near Ptince's level...

PE are the only Black artists I can think of that really challenged listeners like that after P....



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the 1st few times i heard the song i thought he was singing about masturbation. i guess i couldn't get over the 'private' part (no pun) in the title.

'Only I know only I know baby what turns you on'
'I ain't gonna tell nobody bout my little pretty toy/All the other kids would love to love you but you're my little Private Joy'

...why would he describe his penis as a 'little' anything? LOL i WANTED the song to be about masturbation. it's totally not. i think 'Jack U Off' being the last song on the album threw me off.

but that wasnt one of them....

turns out it was about another human being....

sorry....

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"...all alone by myself me & I...play my tamborine..."

close my eyes whats it like, whats it like inside your tambourine ?

just a euphamism for genitals i guess.....and a fuckin great song, top 5 for me easy

When I heard it might be about his Johnson it kind of fucked it up for me

I was happy to hear this wasn't true

I copped it like a year ago, but I've never given it a proper listen through till now.

and that solo is mad cool....


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yeah yeah the truth is good but its just acoustic
it doesnt count

emancipation - the 1 cd version i made anyway has his best songs since sott - i dont think hes really crafted his songs as well since emancipation, it was the last time he still had inspiration and the discipline to sit down and actually spend time making a new album. this has really good songs. sad it was swamped by 2 other cds worth of material.

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the beauty of the album is we'd all have a different 1 disc version.

no filler here

im tempted to take the title track off as the love we make seems a better way to end it

Courtin' Time
Damned if Do
i Can't Make U Love Me
In This Bed Scream
Soul Sanctuary
Curious Child
The Holy River
Let's Have a Baby
My Computer
One of Us
The Love We Make
Emancipation

>yeah yeah the truth is good but its just acoustic
>it doesnt count
>
>emancipation - the 1 cd version i made anyway has his best
>songs since sott - i dont think hes really crafted his songs
>as well since emancipation, it was the last time he still had
>inspiration and the discipline to sit down and actually spend
>time making a new album. this has really good songs. sad it
>was swamped by 2 other cds worth of material.

Your talking about all that R Kelly plastic shit, and a bunch of hack job covers.




LOL

Despite the negative reviews, the album contained 3 classic songs noted "The One", "Come On" and the bonus hidden track "Wasted Kisses". to this day people are trying to get the meaning behind wasted kisses. Then there was The One with the secret cryptic message in the video, and today he kills the shit out of that track, so it's better then SOTT, hell Prince don't play shit from that album no more.

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prior to releasing the album that took Prince from being a "cult classic" to one of the most iconic pop music stars of the 1980s (#2 behind You-Know-Who), 1999... Prince pushed out the second Time album, What Time Is It? a couple months before 1999 hit the streets.

Fresh off of Controversy (for many, the last sign of Prince's stomping, traditionally funky sound in his albums for a long while), Prince bunkered down in his studio with Morris and some of his Revolution cohorts and cranked out a classic under the nom de plume Jamie Starr...

1. "Wild And Loose" (Prince, Dez Dickerson)

Starting off with the classic chant that is the title of this album, "What Time Is It?!" this is first song that mentions the band members by name (and might be the only one that mentions Jimmy Jam; more on him later). A funny little show-starter of a song, it paints the picture of The Time as a bunch of wild boys who cruise for young girls and party all night at shows. The part where Morris calls out Jesse (Johnson) seems to make The Doc laugh every time.

2. "777-9311"

If you're a Time fan, this song needs no introduction. The first single from the album, one of The Time's signature pieces. A killer bassline, a very inventive drum pattern (while this CAN be played live, The Doc believes Prince recorded the hi-hat and the bass drum on seperate tracks and combined the two with overdubbing), and an infectious hook, which seems to have been a practical joke on Dez Dickerson (that was his phone number).

The Doc can't say much about this song that hasn't been said; Prince fucked up letting this one get away from him -- as live shows were often the only place you'd hear The Time really play for a long time, when The Time used to open for Prince with this song, they'd often steal the show...as seen here:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzkywlbOY-M

Terry Lewis just may play that bassline better than Prince himself.

On second thought, while it sounds unmistakably "Prince" (due to the synth work and bassline), this song definitely was too deep in the funk for 1999, and while a little raunchy in spots, was not quite in line with Prince's "shock-rock" and "punk-funk" that he was putting out in the age of Controversy.

3. "One Day I'm Gonna Be Somebody"

A rather humorous send-up of '80s New Wave. Apparently, Prince wanted to present The Time as being the antithesis to the music he was recording under his own name -- even having them declare their dislike for new wave music on this and the next song.

4. "The Walk"

A stomp-your-feet, umistakably Prince-like R&B dance number, and the second single (this might have been the only one from this album with a music video). This was the first song in which The Time promotes a dance, and also serves to declare The Time's humorous nature and sense of style more than what was said in "Cool". Vanity sounds oh-so-cute as the hapless (and apparently big-bottomed) foil to Morris Day, who reinforces Time-isms expressed on the previous album (such as "working The Stick") and introduces that hilarious laugh of his. The only part of this song that doesn't fit is the robotic chants of "We don't like policemen, we don't like new wave, we don't like television"...that sounded closer to what Prince was doing on Controversy and later would put out on 1999, than anything else.

5. "Gigolos Get Lonely Too"

The hidden gem of this album. While The Doc can't really figure out if Prince (and Morris) were trying to be funny with this song, this is perhaps the best ballad The Time ever put out. "Do Me Baby" it isn't, but the instrumentation on this joint is a high point.

6. "I Don't Wanna Leave You"

Closing out the album is this light-on-your feet number, containing a killer piano solo, and nods to riffs on Prince's "I Feel For You" in parts, with some hilarious background vocals from Prince (the "womp, womp" sounding vox right before the bridge). The coda at the end, a haunting prelude to 1999 of sorts making use of Prince's new Linn-supplied playtoy, seems to be Prince's way of saying "out with the old, in with the new". One of The Time's most underrated song.

Overall, this album did more to establish the "image" of The Time than any other recorded under The Time label. Lyrics seemed more personable; Prince even tried to emulate the play style of the band members, particularly Jesse Johnson and Terry Lewis; despite his vocals being very audible in the final mix (especially on "777-9311"), Prince manages to sell the dream, but it had a price...

...The Time was an amalgam of some incredible musicians, more or less being paid to open for Prince, and the group was growing rather frustrated with having little to no input in the band's output. As a result, they started tearing it up on shows to the point Prince often "demoted" them in certain cities. The Doc even read once that Prince got someone to snatch Jesse Johnson off stage and handcuff him in his dressing room while Prince took the guitar.

Jimmy Jam and partner-in-crime Terry Lewis were often the recipients of Prince's iron hand of control; the two and Monte Moir, the understated second keyboardist, started to sneak out and get their original compositions out there...

the result was some records by Klymaxx and the S.O.S. Band with some rather curious production...

...come the 1999 Tour, and the infamous snowstorm in Atlanta that caused Jam and Lewis to miss a show, and the future superproducers were officially given the boot. Monte Moir soon followed...

The Time was in a state of disarray, and come Purple Rain, things were about to get worse...

B-sides and other stuff that swirled around this album:

"Grace" - B-Side to "777-9311" with the aforementioned as the backing track. Vanity does her too-cute-for-words prissy girl voice as a TV reporter interviewing a mischievous Morris Day, who waxes poetic on why blue jeans are out and "baggies" are in ("stay at the hotel with the biggest ballroom").

"Jerk Out" was recorded for this album among some other tracks, though Morris Day rejected the original version's lyrics

the third verse went:

"Took her to my crib and I tied her up
I figured that's what she liked
Maybe I was wrong, but what the hell
It didn't matter to me, she was white
How come people in your neighborhood
don't like it when a brother's rich?
Ain't my blood the same color as yours?
Answer that question, bitch"


the song, with some modification by Morris, Jimmy, and Terry saw life as a Time song much later, as we all know...

The Doc still wonders what the '82 version would have been like.





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if it wasnt evident that The Time were beasts, it was now....

This was a much more polished affair with Prince moving out of his basement and into Sunset Sound and Hollywood Sound studios and finding dedicated engineers(Peggy McCreary and Susan Rogers)...

The songs are more well-defined and with much less soloing and other meandering that marked the first Time album...

the "Morris Day" persona is now fully realized and played to the hilt...especially on the unforgettable and hilarious dialogue on The Walk...

Prince is less noticeable vocally...though he can be heard dong the deadpan laugh at the end of One Day...("ah ha ha...ah ha ha...")

it was even more evident this time around(no pun intended)that Prince used the Time to indulge in not only funk, but humor...Prince would try this on his own albums later but never as successfully...



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>if it wasnt evident that The Time were beasts, it was
>now....
>
>This was a much more polished affair with Prince moving out of
>his basement and into Sunset Sound and Hollywood Sound studios
>and finding dedicated engineers(Peggy McCreary and Susan
>Rogers)...



Hey Scorp...wasn't What Time Is It still Prince on all the instruments and Morris doing lead vocals...

>Hey Scorp...wasn't What Time Is It still Prince on all the
>instruments and Morris doing lead vocals...

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6. "I Don't Wanna Leave You"

Closing out the album is this light-on-your feet number, containing a killer piano solo, and nods to riffs on Prince's "I Feel For You" in parts, with some hilarious background vocals from Prince (the "womp, womp" sounding vox right before the bridge). The coda at the end, a haunting prelude to 1999 of sorts making use of Prince's new Linn-supplied playtoy, seems to be Prince's way of saying "out with the old, in with the new". One of The Time's most underrated song.


Totally agree. I used to play the shit out of the song all through the 80s. People used to ask me if that was a new song from the Time. I was shocked a lot of people never even heard that song.

all that time info is blowing my mind

you got an mp3 of Grace?

original version of Jerk Out?

inquiring minds wanna know...

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I have it somewhere but I'd have to find it....

Grace is just the 777-9311 instrumental with a mock interview w/Morris....

its funny, tho.....



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the drum programming is f*cking insane!!

seriously.

its like 2 different drum patterns fighting against each other to the point where

that sh*t is so off, yet on beat.

i love Prince's lead guitar solo at the end too.

Its a top 3 Prince beat, imo.

only to find out it was a Linn Drum....either way it was still genius....




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>only to find out it was a Linn Drum....either way it was
>still genius....
>

he said he spent forever and a day trying to duplicate that on his drum set and couldn't figure out how the f*ck did Prince play that sh*t like that.

said he felt kind of glad he found it, it wasn't regular drums. lol

but cats werent in the know and they forced themselves to learn it anyway...

there was this one cat....Cleveland...

he looked like Lahmard Tate....

he asked me to throw him a curve...

I said 777....

he played that shit...

he told me it was hell to learn...



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lol.


that's the illest hi-hat pattern ever.

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I went to see John Mayer last week. The words "he is corny" were ringing through my head, lol...

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>I went to see John Mayer last week. The words "he is corny"
>were ringing through my head, lol...
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there were drunken Frat boys and passed out Sorority chicks all over the place, it was HILARIOUS.

but at the end of the show he invited Buddy Guy to come up and play. Not even YOU can front on that...

Buddy Guy played the same stagnant shit he has been playing since he started playing blues with all the white boys, and let me guess John Mayer stole everything and is gonna go make a song with his name on it.

No diss to Buddy Guy, but he has mailed it in decades ago.

>there were drunken Frat boys and passed out Sorority chicks
>all over the place, it was HILARIOUS.
>
>but at the end of the show he invited Buddy Guy to come up and
>play. Not even YOU can front on that...
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>
>
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>Buddy Guy played the same stagnant shit he has been playing
>since he started playing blues with all the white boys, and
>let me guess John Mayer stole everything and is gonna go make
>a song with his name on it.
>
>No diss to Buddy Guy, but he has mailed it in decades ago.
>


I was just there enjoyuing the show, my man. I didn't think that far ahead. I thought it was cool that he was giving a legend his props...

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You know what kills me? I love The Walk. And more than anything, I love the Morris and "Vanity" interlude in the middle of the song. It's just hilarious to me! Ha ha...

"My names not Grace."

...and so forth. The only Time album I'm missing is Ice Cream Castles. I have it on vinyl, but not on CD.

its not easy to do a funky ballad....

I think its one of the best songs Prince has ever written....


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>its not easy to do a funky ballad....
>
>I think its one of the best songs Prince has ever written....
>

Prince had a knack for making those awkward, quirky rhythms work.

>I think its one of the best songs Prince has ever written....


it's impossible.


I've tried that with cats. Dudes like P***** have shit that rocks from one era to the next, uptempo, downtempo, whatever. It's impossible to even *TRY* to narrow it down.


As much as you assholes clown me, I DO recognize the Genius of The Midget.

Im thinking on a pure compositonal(is that word?)level.....

there are songs of his that stand out as far as the writing goes in my mind....

songs like:
Free
In A Large Room With No Light
Under The Cherry Moon
A Place In Heaven
Sometimes It Snows In April
AnnaStesia
The Screams Of Passion
My Love Is Forever
Ice Cream Castles
Joy In Repetition
The Question of U
Sugar Walls
Venus DeMilo
My Computer
etc...





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We used to play the instrumental mix at parties

fuck the full vocal version

>I think its one of the best songs Prince has ever written....
>


its up there with "little red corvette", "beautiful ones", and "when doves cry".

>2. "777-9311"
>
>and an infectious hook, which seems to have been a
>practical joke on Dez Dickerson (that was his phone number).


>4. "The Walk"
>
>Vanity sounds oh-so-cute as the hapless
>(and apparently big-bottomed) foil to Morris Day


>"Grace" - B-Side to "777-9311" with the aforementioned as the
>backing track. Vanity does her too-cute-for-words prissy girl
>voice as a TV reporter interviewing a mischievous Morris Day

I CANNOT believe that's Vanity doing a voice...it don't sound SHIT like her...



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I cant recall any mainstream album that aggressively courts crossover audiences while diggin deep into the underground the way 1999 does...

I think the record is by far Prince's darkest.....the lack of warmth only drives that notion home....

in addition to the paranoia and anti-Reagan politics, we get heartbreak...as a by product of the heartbreak, loneliness and misogyny....

Lady Cab Driver is by far one of the most emotionally naked songs Prince has ever written...the poignancy beneath the stone cold funk is an interesting juxtaposition.....this could have been a powerful ballad...but instead its almost as if Prince chooses to hide his fear and insecurity under a thick groove...

I took me years to realize how sad the song really is...

SITW is right up front with its anguish.....and it makes for gripping music....

Unfortunately Prince wasnt the most emotionally mature person at age 23/24 when he recorded the album...he seems to think rape is the ideal way to get back at women for the pain they have caused them....tho he goes on to fawn over them and say that love is more important than sex....

Prince had gotten around to naming his band The Revolution....

if you look closely at the cover the words "and the Revolution" appear backward...

the 1 in 1999 is drawn in the shape of a penis....

its around this time that P decided to put non LP cuts on the B sides of the singles....

which resulted in the two fan favorites, "Irresistible Bitch" and "How Come U Dont Call Me Anymore"

1999 seems to be a blend of the two previous albums with extra stank on it....

one could look at Dirty Mind, Controversy, and 1999 as a kind of coming of age trilogy....

some of the concepts on these albums would not be heard again, while others slowly disappeared...and yet others served as template for the rest of P's career....

1999 feels definite and deliberate but at the same time is fresh and adventurous....and its one of the best albums ever recorded...





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1. Planet earth
2. Guitar
3. Somewhere here on earth
4. The one U wanna C
5. Future baby mama
6. Mr. Goodnight
7. All the midnights in the world
8. Chelsea Rodgers
9. Lion of Judah
10. Revelation

Disc 1 = Musicology
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>1. Planet earth
>2. Guitar
>3. Somewhere here on earth
>4. The one U wanna C
>5. Future baby mama
>6. Mr. Goodnight
>7. All the midnights in the world
>8. Chelsea Rodgers
>9. Lion of Judah
>10. Revelation
>
>
>

from wikipedia

The Rainbow Children is an album by Prince, released in 2001. It was also released through Prince's website earlier in the year. It is the first album released outside of the NPG Music Club to be released under the name of Prince again, as he had reverted back to his birth name from Image:prince symbol.svg the previous year.

This album deals with the common Prince themes of religion and sexuality, as well as love and even racism. Prince had recently become a Jehovah's Witness, which is made apparent in the themes of this album as well. Jazzier than any of his previous efforts, fan reaction was divided when this album was released. Some perceived the album as a musical and spiritual evolution for Prince, while others were offended by the attacks on white historical figures such as Thomas Jefferson, and the album's pro-black agenda.

Musically, The Rainbow Children marked a shift towards a more "organic" sound for Prince. Unlike its predecessors, the album featured live drums, and made ample use of horns. Many songs were performed live during Prince's 2002 One Nite Alone tour, which became an instant success with fans and critics alike.

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The slowed down voice is genius. The more time passes the more people see how great this album and the tour was. This album was an answer to Voodoo, and it seemed like it ended that guys whole steez, and motivation. The nigga on the milk carton box forgot who his daddy was. TRC features Prince starting to come on his own in guitar, and focus on the music instead of dressing like a gay women and dry humping stages. This was Prince's most personal and private album ever.

Stop it, dude!

"I've outdone anyone you can name -- Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Strauss. Irving Berlin, he wrote 1,001 tunes. I wrote 5,500." - James Brown

Outside of TRC, ONA Tour, and Secret Gig bootleg. Prince aint played guitar worth a shit, just treated it like a toy. We all know he got tired of his band members showing his ass up on guitar, Wendy, Andre, LEVI the list goes on. For years in his own bands, Prince had been the shitty of the players until he released this nice little Rocker, sloppy knob, bitches throwing up CD, and of course it would not be Prince without a shit load of effects on his crappy sustained enhanced guitars, and flashy chromatic runs, and you finally get to hear Prince plays some blues, which he has to be the only black guitar player that blows at blues music, outside of John Mayer, but he really rocked a simple rocker called The Ride.

Rock on Prince. Rock On.

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would maxxx use an alias to dis P ?

he ain't no jIvE tUrkEy...



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who then ? total newb maybe ?

cause this is a Prince post and I ain't seen him yet - we double plat now and he ain't nowhere to be found? Weird...



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waiting for purple rain you think ?

all that does is dilute the discussion....


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>all that does is dilute the discussion....
>
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SCORP:
After completing the Controversy Tour, P headed back into the studio...

For Controversy, P did some work in LA at a studio called Sunset Sound...

it was there that he met two important figures....Susan Rogers and Peggy McCreary...

Spending time with the LM-1 made Prince want to to explore the electronic side of Funk....

having gone up a notch with his songwriting, P felt it was time to show off the new tricks in his bag....resulting in his first double album...

aside from the huge hits, 1999 and Little Red Corvette...Prince once again took the listener into an underground world of sex, rebellion, paranoia, kink, loneliness, and alienation...

Misogyny rears it head in a few of the cuts...pointing to P's unhappiness with the ladies...

For the first time, P sings lead in his normal regsiter...

the hidden gems on the album include Let's Pretend We're Married, Something In the Water(Does Not Compute), Automatic, and the funk classics, DMSR and Lady Cab Driver(another of my favorite P joints)...

check for his sorely underrated ballad Free, as well...

DR. CLAW:
The Doc has a strange feeling about this album.
Generally, The Doc considers this to be Prince's commercial breakthrough, and in a way, an artistic breakthrough as well.

As you mentioned, the use of the LM-1 drum machine was in full effect on this album, and the classic "Prince" sound (the one, that spurred legions of imitators) was finally heard all the way through the album.

What The Doc likes most about this album, is the fact that Prince sings in his -real- voice for the entire album. This sort of shows the fact that Prince was done playing the "shy boy saying not-so-innocent things" shtick...and just being PRINCE as we know him today. If anything, with one line in the otherwise safe "Let's Pretend You're Married", Prince took even his most shocking songs (like "Head", and "Sister") and turned them flat on their asses. "I want to fuck the taste out of your mouth"? If The Doc goes for a long time without hearing 1999 in its entirety, he always forgets that part, and it shocks him every time.

Without a second thought, The Doc's favorite joints on this album were the singles ("1999", "Little Red Corvette") and "Lady Cab Driver". As The Doc just recently has heard, "Lady Cab Driver" almost always sounded infinitely better live despite the lack of the perfection in Prince (and company)'s singing voice(s). It also seems to have inspired further works ("The Glamorous Life" comes to mind), and ripoffs ("Oh Sheila" by Ready For The World was on some Shang Tsung shit with this).

On this album, Prince sort of paints a strange, somewhat dystopian world, kinky, and minimalist as the production would suggest...in a totally '80s way.

In some respects, The Doc finds the songs outside of his aforementioned favorites) kind of dry in comparison to the work on Dirty Mind and Controversy, and in the case of one part of "Automatic", hard to listen to.

If you compare the album's requisite stomper, "D.M.S.R." to "Let's Work" or "Controversy"...or even songs on The Time's excellent follow-up to their debut (that's getting its own post), What Time Is It, which came out only a month or two prior to 1999... you're left wondering, "why did Prince step away from that deep funk?"

Because Prince had a vision, and his vision was this album. It paid off big time -- he hooked in the various sections of his audience with the singles ("1999" and "Little Red Corvette" did very well on R&B radio, the latter even flipped it on Top 40 -- and "Delirious" is a Prince-styled pop masterpiece), and while they were there, he led them into the world of 1999.

This album spurred perhaps some of Prince's best live performances...
but even then, he was getting his ass kicked by the Time as an opening act, and he began to drop them from certain big shows. This didn't stop 1999 from finally coming out of the shadow of his creations...

...but you can tell Prince was more than either a little annoyed, or stirring the pot, with lines like "Jamie Starr is a thief" in "D.M.S.R." == while it wasn't out that Starr was indeed Prince yet, that certainly pointed the finger in his direction.

In 1982 (and the year following), it was a good time to be Prince.

Scorp's Rating 4.75/5.00


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I like the 'hits' as much as everybody else, but I REALLY liked "Free", "All the Critics Love U in New York", and "Something in the Water (does not compute)".

>I like the 'hits' as much as everybody else, but I REALLY
>liked "Free", "All the Critics Love U in New York", and

it's been in my collection for the last 24 years, listened to it earlier today and never once do i feel the need to skip. I do like some songs more than others obvioulsy, but nonetheless solid start to finish from me


>"Something in the Water (does not compute)".
>

how ANY prince fan can hate this song is beyond me

>>I like the 'hits' as much as everybody else, but I REALLY
>>liked "Free", "All the Critics Love U in New York", and
>
>it's been in my collection for the last 24 years, listened to
>it earlier today and never once do i feel the need to skip. I
>do like some songs more than others obvioulsy, but nonetheless
>solid start to finish from me
>
>
>>"Something in the Water (does not compute)".
>>
>
>how ANY prince fan can hate this song is beyond me
>


"Does Not Compute" is a litmus test for Prince heads...If you don't like that joint, you might as well burn your collection....

tamborine is another one of those songs, but lets not get ahead of ourselves :)

along with "ballad of dorothy parker"...

>but lets not get ahead of ourselves :)

i think you're getting me confused with someone who gives a shit about your opinion

>i think you're getting me confused with someone who gives a
>shit about your opinion
>
>

>>i think you're getting me confused with someone who gives a
>>shit about your opinion
>>
>>
>

>along with "ballad of dorothy parker"...
>
>>but lets not get ahead of ourselves :)


I can honestly say that "Tambourine" can be an acquired taste...But "Ballad of Dorthy Parker" is one of the sickest songs the man have EVER laid down...I think you and some other guy may be the only folks that would shit on that song...

>>along with "ballad of dorothy parker"...
>>
>>>but lets not get ahead of ourselves :)
>
>
>I can honestly say that "Tambourine" can be an acquired
>taste...

"tambourine" is the only song on "Around the world..." that I generally skip. if its going to be a miminalist approach, its got to be banging. Prince's drumming is not that great. one of the few weak spots in his arsenal.


>But "Ballad of Dorthy Parker" is one of the sickest
>songs the man have EVER laid down...I think you and some other
>guy may be the only folks that would shit on that song...

i just don't understand the hype surrounding it. i remember folks keep saying "dorthy parker", its great, its great,etc...i finally heard it...and i was like....is that it? lol different strokes for different folks. i personally like Dre 3000's "she lives in my lap" a lot better which was supposed to be inspired by "ballad of dorothy parker".

>
>i just don't understand the hype surrounding it. i remember
>folks keep saying "dorthy parker", its great, its
>great,etc...i finally heard it...and i was like....is that it?
>lol different strokes for different folks. i personally like
>Dre 3000's "she lives in my lap" a lot better which was
>supposed to be inspired by "ballad of dorothy parker".

It's all in the lyrics Jam (some of his best weird ass story telling...), the coked out Sly Stone feel of the production and the insane LINN drum programming...Give it another chance dude...

This is the reason I'm waiting until SOTT to jump in because "The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker" was the first song that hit me as an independent listener...the lyrics were fuckin' stellar...

"My pants were wet, they came off, but she didn't get to see the movie 'cause she hadn't read the book first..."

You the man jb, but yo, if you can't see the genius in that line alone, you on some dan_ackryte shit (see: raging idiot)



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>I like the 'hits' as much as everybody else, but I REALLY
>liked "Free", "All the Critics Love U in New York", and
>"Something in the Water (does not compute)".
>
>

that drum track is dope as fuck to me.

is that mix you mp3'd ? i'd like to hear that

>that drum track is dope as fuck to me.
>

as i mentioned in some post before, Prince's off-beat rhythms in his programing were excellent. like "let's pretend we're married", or for "compute", that off-beat sh*t just kills me everytime.

"All the Critics Love U in New York", and
>"Something in the Water (does not compute)".

i even like free these days

my ex used to ffwd it all the time.

but i like it

its meant to be like a big 70s rock power ballad or something right?

i salute the american flag in my head when it comes on
lol

>i salute the american flag in my head when it comes on
>lol
>


I did the exact same thing in the car today

from an officer and a gentleman while doing the salute

i almost ALWAYS skip that joint.

not always

emphasis on: force myself

there's many a man who's not

still: ugh.

and make me understand why you don't like Jamie Principle.


The more I think about it, I figured you would've latched on to the P***** theivery and fell in with the rest of the troops.


sidepost, the shit you've heard by Jamie might be the bullshit vinyl versions, and not the original bootlegs. Let me know which ones you've heard and we'll discuss this further...

i'm not interested in Jamie's stuff, really. i've heard some of it when he performed live w/Frankie a couple yrs back and it was painful. totally reminded me of the era of House i can't hardly stand.

that's what I'm getting at. Like it or not, do you see a connection?

I kinda do.

.

>still: ugh.

not often admitedly

it makes me sad.

all bullshit aside, listening to how P***** freaked the Linn Drum, it DEFINITELY affected my approach to drum programming.


Four-on-the-Floor was always too easy, I guess that's why I was drawn to cats like Derrick May.



wow. this needs to be explored.

carl craig, green velvet, etc etc, loads of techno and house artists have said prince was quite a big influence. i mean, there were plenty of black artists doing cold electronic stuff around that time too, electro - cybertron etc was coming in, but 1999 - cos it was so cold, dark, sparse (mainly just synths and drum machines a lot of the time) and almost totally free of 'organic' instruments but still kinda funky, it seemed to strike a chord in chicago and detroit.

and Jamie Principle wanted to BE Prince. He even performed with a band at one point.


listen to joints like: "Fuck you til You Scream" ( later re-done as "Make you Scream"). he even SINGS like Prince, he does the falsetto and the baritone speaking shit.


And L'il Louis went that route too, with the "P*****speak" on his albums with all that '2U' and '4U' mess...

>and Jamie Principle wanted to BE Prince. He even performed
>with a band at one point.
>
>
>listen to joints like: "Fuck you til You Scream" ( later
>re-done as "Make you Scream"). he even SINGS like Prince, he
>does the falsetto and the baritone speaking shit.
>
>
>And L'il Louis went that route too, with the "P*****speak" on
>his albums with all that '2U' and '4U' mess...
>

You guys are dead on about Jamie...I grew up in Chicago during House music's reign in the '80s...That joint he did "Waiting On My Angel" is a straight Prince jack...But hey, just about everyone was borrowing something from dude at that time...

same with "Baby Wants to Ride".


I'm not saying those shits ain't dope. But I'm saying I can hear the influence.



Did you ever hear the Updated remix of "Baby Wants to Ride" that came out on Vinyl? It's basically a fucking P***** song. It sounds like Jamie is singing over a P***** out take. Nothing like the original.

there was one that was floating around in the 80's on tapes, but it never got pressed. The one Trax pressed isn't the same version.

...i think the opening 30-45 seconds of "...red corvette" is close to perfection as it gets. the fade in with the high-hats and the chords...and then Prince's opening verse...man that sh*t is right.

its Prince's best song without a doubt. he captured lightning in a bottle with that song.

>...i think the opening 30-45 seconds of "...red corvette" is
>close to perfection as it gets. the fade in with the high-hats
>and the chords...and then Prince's opening verse...man that
>sh*t is right.
>
>its Prince's best song without a doubt. he captured lightning
>in a bottle with that song.
>
>


Who did the solo in LRC?

i dont dislike it but ive always thought it sounded too conscious of its anthemic appeal, like prince spent quite a bit of time fine tuning it cos he knew it was gonna be quite big for him...

the ending of it though, the rhythm guitar and drum track bit (mommy why does everybody have a bomb) is one of his funkiest moments... i like these moments in prince songs (the vicki vale batdance remix is another) where he breaks the song down to nothing but that chank guitar (incidentally, who do we say is the inventor/perfecter of this technique? anyone in particular?) and drums...

>i dont dislike it but ive always thought it sounded too
>conscious of its anthemic appeal, like prince spent quite a
>bit of time fine tuning it cos he knew it was gonna be quite
>big for him...
>
>the ending of it though, the rhythm guitar and drum track bit
>(mommy why does everybody have a bomb) is one of his funkiest
>moments... i like these moments in prince songs (the vicki
>vale batdance remix is another) where he breaks the song down
>to nothing but that chank-chank guitar and drums..

i love everything about it.

I would probably like it if it was played on a guitar though. The thing is that "1999" (the album) is the type of 80's, synth-driven stuff that I actually appreciate but that riff in particular just sounds so corny-I'm thinking about the lead-motive to some 80's action-comedy or something when I hear it. I hate "Jump" (Van Halen) for the same reason, I prefer synths doing more bassy stuff, otherwise it sounds too happy...

i dont think its that bad on record but live, when prince goes into fullblown BIG reverb-laden arena rock mode, it sounds horrendous.

HARD! Of course I knew the hits, but once I was cleaning up the house and Lady Cab Driver came on. That funky bass line followed by those synths? Done! That song forced me to go back and listen to the entire album, and that's when it hit me. And I felt bad because I had HAD this CD for the longest. I was just floored by how many songs I really liked.

Delirious
DMSR (fell in love with this song after hearing all the 14 minute live joints)
Automatic
Something In The Water
All The Critics Love U in New York (especially this joint).

Great album.

definitely his most punky/not giving a fuck/attitude-y

eg -

i dont mean to be rude but i just wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth

some people say that i got great legs

and

I was dreaming when I wrote this/So sue me if I go too fast

...those are perfection.

hmmm

it's just flows, start to finish, fluid, and the synth guitar war (as someone described it on the boards one time) just ridiculous

I got shit threw at me in another thread when I suggested the tracking was fucked up on Parade. 1999 shows you how it should be done. It is as close to perfect as an album gets. I've always felt like an album should begin or end with the title track.

Kicking this shit off with 1999, fading into LRC and the leaving side A (remember, we're dealing with a double album and 4 sides here) on a frantic note with Delirious is perfect.

What's interesting is how well Let's Pretend We're Married works coming after Delirious on a CD when it was really the kick off track on Side B. My favorite Prince segue ever takes place between LPWM and DMSR. Prince ending 'Married' with his rude boy mantra and giving way to the infamous riff of DMSR just works on some many levels.

Side A of record #2 is like the darkest side of 1999. Automatic sounds like S&M on wax. It's moans and screams give way to Prince sounding like he's lost his damn mind on Something in the Water. There's something about that song that still disturbs me to this day. Even Free has dark undertones with the marching sounds and the whole emptiness of it.

Side B of record #2 is playful Prince. This is also my fave side of the whole album. His backseat bonin' of Jill Jones on Lady Cab Driver is followed by P calling out "Hippies" (lol) on All the Critics (which are both my top 5 Prince songs ever) Ending the side and album is International Lover. That whole song is comedy, and was never meant to be taken seriously (even though most females at that time did)

1999 is just the GOAT album to me. Not a week goes by that I don't listen to at least one or two songs off that shit.

when i listen to my vinyl copy side 3 always stands out as the album's weak link. i keep campaigning for the inclusion of 'Moonbeam Levels' and 'Extra Lovable' on this album like it could actually happen, but for real...just imagine THAT album side:

1. Extra Lovable
2. Something In the Water
3. Moonbeam Levels

^ that would be my favorite side on the whole album. currently side 1 holds that title.

not so much the next two tracks but I understand what he was doing with that side

*edit*

I'd co-sign Extralovable being a bonus track on a remastered 1999 though. I'd kill for a clean copy of that song.

Critics is way more fun and works in the context of what P was doing with that 4th side

b/c they're the same song.

Horny Toad
Irresistible Bitch (single version)
Moonbeam Levels
Strange Relationship (the original was recorded in 82-ish)
Extra Lovable
I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man (the original was recorded in 82-ish, i think)
We Can Fuck (it's from 83 but still...)
Turn It Up
Do Yourself a Favor
No Call U
Something In the Water (alternate/demo version)
Little Red Corvette (Long Version)
Feel U Up/Irresistible Bitch (demo version) (<-- might be better on a Dirty Mind or Controversy re-release since they're from 1980/81)

im guessing they thought it was too early for prince to have a double album so trimmed it down to one disc (the double came out a bit later):

Single vinyl
"1999" – 6:22
"Little Red Corvette" – 4:58
"Delirious" – 3:56
"Free" – 5:08
"Let's Pretend We're Married" – 7:21
"Something In the Water (Does Not Compute)" – 4:02
"Lady Cab Driver" – 8:19

that album sucks.

the original CD version omitted 'DMSR'. i've seen that too.

>the original CD version omitted 'DMSR'

I could NEVER fuckin' figure out why they did that shit!

The original configuration INCLUDING "D.M.S.R." is 70:37 - at that time CDs maxed out at 74 minutes...



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which was also available on CD.

and i think Warner released that soundtrack.

just checked Amazon...



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it sounds like its from another album cos its not very synthy and is just a big rock ballad. much as i love lady cab driver it sounds too 'live' compared to the rest of the album too so i would take that off also, even though it does give a great 3-song ending to the album.

very well put sir

.

he lets all the angst out as he fucks the cab driver (took me yrs to realize he's fucking the cab driver) and then that glorious guitar solo (guitar/synth war is a perfect way to describe it) just puts the song over the top. when i'm at my low moments i play this song...it's gotten to me before.

it sounded more like Rape than consensual sex to me...

but i thought he was raping some random woman b/c of his angst. when i figured out he's boning the cab driver i figured there was a good chance it was consensual. he definitely hate-fucked her if it was consensual.

i file it under horny malice (or malicious horniness).

>it sounded more like Rape than consensual sex to me...
>

to overpower her, he stick a stilleto in her throat or some shit ?

.

'Moonbeam Levels' was recorded in time for this album (i think?). it could have replaced 'Free' and made 1999 even stronger. and 'Extra Lovable' in place of 'Automatic' would too.

(note: 'Free' & 'Automatic' almost always get skipped when i listen to 1999)

According to DMSR by Per Nielson, "Moonbeam Levels" is from 83, so it couldn't have made the cut. But it is a shame that it never made it on to an album. Great song.

it still SMASHES 'Free'.

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Often titled "A Better Place 2 Die" by bootleggers, this classic was recorded towards the end of the 1999 sessions. Prince played a brief part on tour in Los Angeles, March 28th, 1983. It's an excellent melodic mid-tempo rock number focusing on piano in the versus with a guitar giving the chorus added punch, similar to "Free." The musical resemblance to "Free" may be one of the reasons it was left off 1999. The lyrics dwell on imminent nuclear war destruction and looking for "a better place to die."

they're the same song. i go back and forth on which i prefer.

(for the record: reefer >>>> purple music > cocaine)

Were they made during the same time?

i'd have to look it up in DMSR.

Can someone expound on this song particularly.

I mean, I get its sarcasm and all.

But, what's the story behind it?

And that second side of record two is easily my favorite run of songs on the album.

Even though the whole thing is a true tour de force.

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after Dirty Mind....

and making fun of the fact the most of those critics are huge geeks....


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The *meaning*, though, is similar to "Uptown", but evolved. In the latter, he described a place where all the freaks and outcasts could be accepted and/or party their time away (turns out it was a part of Minneapolis).

In "All The Critics", it's the same message only Prince says, point-blank, if you wanna live your life the way you want to, the place to be is New York City and, furthermore, screw all the people who are trying to hold you down (the police) or speak out against you or others (the "hippies").

I used to think it was mostly sarcasm but, if you look at the theme of the album (basically do whatever the hell you want and have a good time because the end is near), I don't really think that's the case.

Good enough for you?

That's the only track I skip on this album.

it's one of my least favorite songs on the album, though.

one of my fav slow cuts from prince. d' was definately listening to this when he was working on his last album.

it was huge in Detroit, though....



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That shit was huge in the Chi as well...

i love it

the ending is one of the best prince things ever

and it's second only to "Automatic" for weakest song.

An almost guarantee skip. "All The Critics" is the end of the album for me.

Moonbeam Levels son!

This was my first Prince album, and that line and the end of "Lady Cab Driver" completely blew my mind.

yeah. He got a LOT of kids in trouble, I'll bet....


"WHAT ARE YOU LISTEING TO?!?!?!?"

The Electrifying Mojo gave this song MAD play, but I didn't get hip to this ending until I bought the CD myself much later...



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everybody in the 80's had nuclear war joint.....


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y'all mofos is educating me up in this bitch...

another 1999 point i forgot to mention:

During my college years (1995-98), I went on this "get all of Prince's b-sides/12" singles" type of rampage. I didn't have a turntable, but I bought vinyl to play on my radio show at the station...

In 1996, I came up on a HELLA good deal for the 12" of "Let's Pretend We're Married" with "Irresistible Bitch" as the b-side...I think I paid 4 or 5 bucks, and it was damn near mint...

That 12" is now a casualty of "niggas who borrow shit and don't return it" syndrome...



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>That 12" is now a casualty of "niggas who borrow shit and
>don't return it" syndrome...

I've lost a lot of shit that's damn near irreplaceable. I stopped loaning vinyl out about about 10 years ago.

I don't give a fuck anymore man...cats ask to borrow shit and I will be THAT asshole that says emphatically no.



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>That 12" is now a casualty of "niggas who borrow shit and
>don't return it" syndrome...

The book, now this?

Ha ha ha. Lock your stuff up. If somebody needs to hear something, send them an mp3..ha ha.

>The book, now this?
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>Ha ha ha. Lock your stuff up. If somebody needs to hear
>something, send them an mp3..ha ha.

To my credit (with all glory to GOD for lookin' out), I have never been robbed - this shit always comes by tryin' to educate others and sharing what I have...life goes on though...

I AM waaaaaay more restrictive with my shit now though....



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i'm really suprised that people didn't get that, especially bearing in mind the time of it's release

that people didn't know is news to me.

With lines like "Work yo' body like a whore" and an ending like "HELP ME...SOMEBODY *PLEASE* HELP ME!", D.M.S.R is unforgettable, IMO.

To think that originally that this isn't included on some versions of "1999" for ANY reason is, well, unthinkable. It's one of the deepest funk cuts he's ever done and, really, is the last of it's kind in Prince's collection. That sort of pure and nasty funk that makes you just wanna get loose, ya know?

Sorry Doc but, even though I think "Let's Work" is better, I think "D.M.S.R" is its natural evolution and, unlike "Automatic", is strong enough to warrant its length. On that note, Prince reached a point on "1999" where he felt ready to attempt extended cuts and this is one of the songs where he was definitely successful. One of the best on the album.

That's the type of 80's funk that I like. Maybe it could have been a LITTLE shorter but the length is no big deal, it's enjoyable throughout

Many fans appreciated hearing Lenny K experiment with rock sounds, while others found it stale and tired. This album should have just been 1:26 of track number 11.

>Many fans appreciated hearing Lenny K experiment with rock
>sounds, while others found it stale and tired. This album
>should have just been 1:26 of track number 11.


All this for some attention....

Rave received mixed reviews with both critics and fans, and though the album went gold, it was widely considered a disappointment. Frustrated by what Prince felt as Arista's failure to adequately promote and support the album, no further one-album contracts were signed and the project quietly faded.

So what's the diff between Chelsea Rodgers track and the Everyday is A winding road?


He had that one nice Lenny Kravitz joint on here wherever you go, whatever you do.

Do you know the definition of the word 'chronologically'?

~Austin

Planet Earth was recorded during dream factory sessions.

You really think Wendy and Lisa was in an actual studio with Prince?



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Prince was on that crack, and this album was dope and dark. This is my second favorite album next to NPS. This album is banging.




The Black Album is a Prince record that was originally planned for November of 1987 as the follow-up to Sign "☮" the Times. Referred to as "The Funk Bible" by preceding press releases and in a hidden message within the album itself, the work seemed to be a reaction to criticism that Prince had become too pop-oriented.

The album had no printed title, artist name, production credits or photography; a black sleeve was all that came with it. On promotional copies, only a song listing and catalog number (25677) were printed on the disc itself. The commercial version was to only have the catalog number printed in the color pink on the spine and was supposedly only to be released in vinyl format as an anonymous protest to the recorded industry's looming discontinuation of vinyl in favor of compact discs.

The album was withdrawn weeks before its release date and was replaced with the album Lovesexy, a brighter pop-oriented album with elements of religious affirmation.

It should have been thrown out with the rest of Prince's leftover Ecstasy

1. "Let's Go Crazy" – 4:39
2. "Take Me with U" – 3:58
3. "The Beautiful Ones" – 5:17
4. "Computer Blue" (Prince, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, and John L. Nelson) – 3:56
5. "Darling Nikki" – 4:13
6. "When Doves Cry" – 5:52
7. "I Would Die 4 U" – 2:56
8. "Baby I'm a Star" – 4:45
9. "Purple Rain" – 8:42


1999 broke Prince into the mainstream....

Little Red Corvette flew up the Pop charts with help from MTV's rotation of the video(Prince was among the first group of Black artists to get rotation)....

The 1999 tour was a success...it was P's first headlining stadium tour in contrast to being pelted with trash a year before by angry Rolling Stones fans....

in Prince's mind, the next step was evident....

a movie.

on the 1999 tour, besides doing shows and having sex with most of the female participants on the tour, Prince kept a purple notebook to jot down lyrics and his ideas for the film....

once the tour was over, Prince presented his ideas to his managers....

they went into action right away securing funding, hiring screenwriters, directors, etc....

one the film was a go, it was originally titled Dreams...

Prince recorded some of the material at Sunset Sound, his regular studio, in LA.....but the film was going to be shot on location in Minneapolis....

Prince had his chief engineer, Susan Rogers, build a makeshift studio in a warehouse in suburban Mpls that the band rehearsed in....

on August 3, 1983....Prince played a benefit for a local dance company at First Avenue(the same club used in the film)....

it was there that he debuted the new Purple Rain songs(Let's Go Crazy, Computer Blue, I Would Die 4 U, Baby, I'm A Star, and Purple Rain)

the show was filmed and recorded(P had gotten into the habit of recording all of his gigs by this point)....

upon listening, P decided that he liked the recording and the live feel....the basic tracks of IWD4U, BIAS, and PR were taken from the show tape(thus the feedback in Purple Rain)...

originally, it was going to be a double album, but the decision was made to not do that....

some songs were excised:
Electric Intercourse has only been performed once at the 8-3-83 show, it was cut from Purple Rain in favor of The Beautiful Ones...

Extra Lovable was recorded and cut(the lyrics refer the the first drafts of the script where Prince's father dies in the movies...."My daddy might be dead...")...

Computer Blue was originally 11-14 mins long, it was cut drastically to make room for Take Me With U feat. Appolonia...

Purple Rain originally had an extra verse but it was cut...

17 Days ended up on the b-side to When Doves Cry...

what remains is probably Prince's most concise album ever....the only weak link being Take Me With U....

many consider this Prince's masterpiece....

most notable though, is that Purple Rain was Prince's most crossover friendly album at this point....most of the songs are guitar heavy rock joints....there are no funk joints on Purple Rain.

which is probably more accident that design...Prince's backing unit, The Revolution was starting to gel since the depature of Dez Dickerson(mocked in Extra Lovable...."Hey, Dez...dont you like my band?"...Dez was featured in Purple Rain performing with his new band, The Modernaires...)

Lisa's childhood friend, now SO, Wendy Melvoin, filled the guitar chair....

Prince was using more full band arrangments and using his band to work them out, inspired by the musical techniques that Wendy and Lisa shared with him...he was bringing them to the fore....using their names on albums and giving them roles in Purple Rain...

the synastry of the band more than likely led to the new guitar heavy sound....and may have been a step away from the crowd who had picked up on his synth heavy sound on 1999....

of course, the the album and the film were smash hits....taking Prince from star to superstar to icon....

you all know the songs....let's talk about them...

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and "possibly" my favourite first single in when doves cry

whenever anyone says "Dearly Beloved" people automatically think of P....


kicked of the movie like a mofo, too....

I think he intended it that way....



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genius, a great moment

I never understood that.

Vinyl was the preferred medium back then....

they decided PR would be best as a single album instead of a double....


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because of all the ape shit screaming....

that remains one my favorite P vocal performances....


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you see I had to go back and look at the shit *I* copped?


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just for this alone:

"Paint a perfect picture
Bring 2 life a vision in one's mind
The beautiful ones
Always smash the picture
Always everytime"


^^^^^Those lines are perfection (no pun intended).

That song is f*cking incredible. One of the few songs where Prince actually "opens up".

It was a dedication to Susannah, right?

There is just something about a white woman that brings something extra out of a n*gga, no O.J.-o.

Outside of "little red corvette", no song Prince has ever written can compete with "beautiful ones". NOTHING. its that powerful.

And yes, this "Purple Rain", the album, is Prince's most complete record. There is no skipping here. No filler (although you can make a case for "computer blue"...lol).


oh yeah,

"baby, i'm a star" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "let's go crazy".

its just something magical about "baby, i'm a star". it just gets you jumping. reminds of me of good ole church. everytime i hear that song, i want to get up, walk down the isle and put something in the collection plate. HALLELUJAH!!!

all and all, this album is an enjoyable experience. The best of Prince. its one heck of a ride.

have you heard the original joint????

PURE GENIUS....

if anything is disposable on that album its Take Me With U...



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>have you heard the original joint????
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>PURE GENIUS....
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>if anything is disposable on that album its Take Me With U...
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its one of the best songs on the album, imo.

i think n*ggas don't like it because its "too white". it sounds like he should have also given that song to the Bangles as well.


EDIT: back to your original question, no i haven't heard the original "computer blue", is it that much different?

the rest of the songs are BEASTS....

on its on it would have fared better, but n that litter its the runt...

nothing wrong with it per se....the other songs just over powered it...shoulda been a b-side...


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It's just as dry today as it ever was and, just like all of his best albums, sours what could have been a perfect work. It might fit into the movie, yeah, but in this collection of songs, it's a frustratingly flat and boring weak link that begs me to hit the "skip" button (which I do every time).

The melody is shockingly mediocre...you need that to hold a song together..."TMWU" doesn't have it, IMO, and so I pretty much ignore it altogether. Prince could have made a better cute song, and if he really wanted to stay with that sort of sound could have done that too. "ATWIAD" proved it.

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lol, funny observation...I didn't realize thats how some folk view that song...

Anyway, I think that is one of Prince's most "alternative" sounding songs he's ever done....The drums at the beginning (and thru the track)are phenomenal sounding to me..The song itself seems to move at such a fast pace....Love the hell out of that track...Its definately amongst my top 10-20 Prince songs...



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i LOVE that song

the beautiful ones is certainly one of my favorite ever prince songs

maybe his best ever 'screaming' song?

Great album!!! This was my introduction to Prince. I remember my father making me a cassette copy of his album but my mom made him delete Darlin' Nikki.

why did you like this album so much?



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Possibly his most perfect album, but still not my favourite (if that makes any sense). The original Computer Blue is sick, Darling Nikki is crazy good, and When Doves Cry and The Beautiful Ones are two of the best P songs of all time. Then you throw in the staples like Let's Go Crazy and Baby I'm a Star and you have a bonafide classic.

I can live without both Take Me With U and I Would Die For U. Neither match up to the quality on the rest of the album.

1999 is a far more challenging album, but PR is the more polished hit-maker.

another one P's better songs writing wise....

have you heard the 12" mix....

in-fucking-sane...

I might post it...


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>another one P's better songs writing wise....
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>have you heard the 12" mix....
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Nah, I haven't heard it. I would LOVE to, though. Please post that animal if you have it.

I refuse to hear of such things as what you say

Of course I was on a mission to hear the missing song, so I went over a friends house and he made me a full copy. During that period of time musically I was into alot of hip hop. I was never into songs with heavy guitar playing, but I decided to really listen to it since I absolutely loved When Doves Cry and The Beautiful Ones. Then I saw the movie and when I walked out of the movie theater I was a Prince fan. It wasn't until later on in life that I truly understood the pure genius of this album.

Is sososo as good as Purple Rain?

I wish he would dry hump the stage like in Purple Rain.


That new song off Planet Earth has chord opening like Purple Rain.





>Great album!!! This was my introduction to Prince. I
>remember my father making me a cassette copy of his album but
>my mom made him delete Darlin' Nikki.

its one of P's best rock joints in my opinion....

the drums are PHENOMENAL...

I dig errythang abt this song....

its also his most convincing "band" perfomance(he recorded it all himself, but it sounds like a real band kickin' it)...

I still get charged when I hear this....




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The energy that the band put into each song was remarkable. Even within the song Take Me With U, you can feel the intensity in the drums and the entire arrangement of the song.

Darling Nikki is one of the most original sounding songs I've EVER heard. There's nothing out there like it. That song IS Prince. The lyrics, the controversy, the drums, the breakdowns, the backwards vocals towards the end. You just can't categorise a song like that.

>its one of P's best rock joints in my opinion....
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>the drums are PHENOMENAL...
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>I dig errythang abt this song....
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>its also his most convincing "band" perfomance(he recorded it
>all himself, but it sounds like a real band kickin' it)...
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>I still get charged when I hear this....
>

We used to say this was HER song since it was named after her.

After we grew up....we kinda stopped saying that.

>We used to say this was HER song since it was named after
>her.
>
>After we grew up....we kinda stopped saying that.

I was messing with a girl named Nikki at the time....

I wrote her a Prince-like sexually explicit letter....

my teacher found it....

the aftermath was fucked up...(I dont care to elaborate)

I was 9...


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"where you been? Masturbating with a magazine?"

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i was hyped when i finally worked out what it said, the simple pleasures of being 12 i guess

until one day at school I had the idea to run it backward....

I did and the record spoke....

I was SHOOK....

I miss quirky shit like that P used to do....


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>until one day at school I had the idea to run it
>backward....
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>I did and the record spoke....
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>I was SHOOK....
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yeah the whole love me love my god always bothered me with P a little, the juxtapose of sex and religion confused me at that age

>I miss quirky shit like that P used to do....
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man i miss a lot of things that p used to do, but thats the way it goes i guess

This great song (I LOVE "Darling Nikki". Top 10-15 Prince, easily) has just ended and then comes that fucking creepy "AH.AH.AH.AH.AH.AH.AH." right after. To me, that was on some serious poltergeist shit.

...until I started to love how it sounded and started singing along with it (tell me I wasn't the only person who did this). Then I found out about the backwards masking and the rest is history. To this day, though, if that part catches me off guard, it'll perk me right up.

>...until I started to love how it sounded and started singing
>along with it (tell me I wasn't the only person who did this).

My knowledge of all other things Prince came by way of revisitation and the radio. My aunt bought the soundtrack on vinyl - that's how I became familiar with this album...

I went to see this movie for the first time at the drive-in with my family - I fell asleep on it...

That's not to say I didn't like it, maybe it was youth...

>Extra Lovable was recorded and cut(the lyrics refer the the
>first drafts of the script where Prince's father dies in the
>movies...."My daddy might be dead...")...

The rape line as well rendered this one unreleasable right?

>Purple Rain originally had an extra verse but it was cut...

I'm kinda glad...8:45 is long enough...

>17 Days ended up on the b-side to When Doves Cry...

In my WQBR days, I had the NICEST surprise...

I had just came from a local record spot where I copped the 12" for "When Doves Cry/17 Days" for like 5 bucks.

I get down to the station to play it before we went on the air while I prepped production pieces for the day, and as I dropped the needle to the record, I forgot to put the speed setting on 45 RPM...

I almost passed the fuck out...

To this day I wonder if Prince knows he got jacked by MC Lyte...

>the only weak link being Take Me With U....

I disagree - I love this song!

>1. "Let's Go Crazy" – 4:39

I LOVED the extended version of LGC.

You didn't mention how Erotic City came about - I'm curious about that...

>7. "I Would Die 4 U" – 2:56

Let's discuss the b-side, "Another Lonely Christmas"




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I can't remember my father playing any of the early albums. Well, let me take that back. Maybe I wanna Be Your Lover. Either way, THIS is what firmly introduced me to Prince. Not my favorite album, but a very sentimental one. I really should upload that home video of my sister and I singing Purple Rain in our basement..ha ha.

To end a great album with the song Purple Rain was just phenomenal. In my opinion, it took Prince years to top himself musically with the arrangement he did for Purple Rain.

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>THIS is what firmly introduced me to Prince.

on some, "Ohhhhh, this is who that long haired dude on the blue cover is...I thought that was a girl?" type shit...

My then 9-year old mind made the connection and I was kinda spooked...a dude who was styled to look like a girl - that shit kinda threw me off...



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Is Electric Intercourse the best song that Prince never released on an album? It's gotta be up there, surely...

That song is buuuuuuuutifull.

a few:
In A Large Room With No Light
Movie Star
Last Heart
Crystal Ball
In All My Dreams
The Line
Moonbeam Levels
Extra Loveable


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Another great song is "Do Yourself a Favour". I believe this song was recorded around this time as well.

Movie Star and Crystal Ball were released on the Crystal ball set weren't they? In All My Dreams and Last Heart are great songs. I was severely underwhelmed by Moonbeam levels, though - especially after all the hype. That one ain't got nuthin' on Electric Intercourse.

Have never heard Extra Loveable, The Line or In A Room... despite many hours of searching and what not. They are definitely on my 'to do' list.

but I dont count that because he fucked with the songs so much....

and Sexual Suicide is a banger..


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When you're discussing Prince (wait...do other people do that other than "us"? Ha), does everyone have a *pause* moment when that ONE guy names Purple Rain his favorite Prince album? (*cough* Dom *cough*)

Do you look down at people who ONLY know Purple Rain? (i do sometimes)

When I think of my top 5 favorite, Purple Rain has rarely been #1. And that's not to diss the genius of it, but being that it's his most accessible album, you almost have to ask "What's your 2nd favorite Prince album?" Purple Rain is just too easy!

but YES...theres always that ONE cat who says PR is their fave P album...

I wanna be salty abt that but all BS aside, the album IS great...its a bonafied classic and no one can dispute that....

so there not much to debate....

but yeah I tend to preface that with "besides Purple Rain, what's yr favorite Prince album?"

the answer is usually SOTT or 1999....




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It took me almost 10 years to warm up that that album

still isn't in my top 5 P albums

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Purple Rain isn't in mine, either. SOTT is tops for me, closely followed by Around The World, 1999, Parade and Dirty Mind.

I appreciate the greatness of PR, but there are a handful of Prince albums I prefer over it. It's almost a little too safe and commercial for me.

The old SOTT vs. PR battle is a no contest for me. SOTT is light years ahead of Purple Rain.

>I appreciate the greatness of PR, but there are a handful of
>Prince albums I prefer over it. It's almost a little too safe
>and commercial for me.

I think we punish Purple Rain because a.)Everyone on the planet knows the songs, b.) we know Prince purposely tried to make hits on this album. If I could add a c.)it would be the damn movie. That movie exposed so many more Prince fans across the country (aka commercial appeal). I don't know what I'm saying anymore...but you get the idea.

>I think we punish Purple Rain because
>a.)Everyone on the planet knows the songs,
>b.) we know Prince purposely tried to make hits on this album.

If you were above the age of 7 in 1984 and don't remember ANYTHING from Purple Rain (soundtrack OR movie), you were either:

A.) a product of a STRICT religious home, or
B.) an inhabitant of a cave without air conditioning



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>If you were above the age of 7 in 1984 and don't remember
>ANYTHING from Purple Rain (soundtrack OR movie), you were
>either:
>
>A.) a product of a STRICT religious home, or
>B.) an inhabitant of a cave without air conditioning

only The Doc gets more "maxxx"-ed out with it. PR is one of the most iconic albums of the 1980s. Up there with Thriller, and erstwhile albums of the era.

>only The Doc gets more "maxxx"-ed out with it. PR is one of
>the most iconic albums of the 1980s. Up there with Thriller,
>and erstwhile albums of the era.

These products got large amounts of airplay and popularity - 21 years from now, whether they want to or not, ANY 7 year old kid out here now will remember T-Pain the same way...



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>I think we punish Purple Rain because a.)Everyone on the
>planet knows the songs, b.) we know Prince purposely tried to
>make hits on this album. If I could add a c.)it would be the
>damn movie. That movie exposed so many more Prince fans
>across the country (aka commercial appeal). I don't know what
>I'm saying anymore...but you get the idea.

When the heights of artistic creativity and pop hit making combine its hard to top that.

he knew he had something special/lucrative so you can tell he spent time making sure every second counted and no one put a foot wrong... which is good in a way, but also - like thriller, makes PR seem a bit TOO perfect.

there are longer/alt versions of the songs on the album which i dont have, but id like to hear (except i would die 4 u - half an hour is much too long!). i prefer the lyrics to gotta shake this crazy thing (i think thats the name) before it became purple rain.

This album here, as others have mentioned, is Prince's Thriller.
It is the culmination of Prince at his highest point, not a hair out of place, taking what he had picked up from 1999 and moving forward. There are hints of where Prince is going next, with songs like "Take Me With U" and the title track.

The Doc thinks "The Beautiful Ones" is one of Prince's all-time underrated cuts. On an album where "When Doves Cry", "I Would Die 4 U" (an-all time classic), "Darling Nikki", and "Let's Go Crazy" rightfully share the spotlight, it can get lost easily. The transition from "I Would Die 4 U" to "Baby, I'm A Star" is one of the most seamless and flawless The Doc has ever heard.

The result is a totally pleasing experience. The Doc doesn't think he dislikes any song off the bat. Ironically, outside of "Darling Nikki", Prince wasn't really as racy as he was on other albums prior to this one. Yet, "Nikki" was the song that caused Tipper Gore and the like-minded Decepticon sycophants to pee themselves and start the crusade against "Big, Bad Music". Maybe it was because Prince was actually selling arenas and record stores out finally. Compared to the songs on "Dirty Mind", the shock factor is very low, but the entertainment value is very high. The movie was more "explicit" than this album was (and that, as The Doc has posted in GD...is an experience all to itself).

Had "17 Days" been on this album, this would have been the G.O.A.T. Prince album bar none.

Also worth discussing are Purple Rain's companion albums, The Time's 1984 outing, Ice Cream Castles, and Apollonia 6's eponymous debut the year following. The latter especially has some jams that kind of show how Prince sometimes let the "good ones" get away.

Not to mention, The Doc's gonna go back up and talk about the Vanity 6 album...

Yo, when did the midget make the song 'Purple Music'? I just listened to that song for the first time this evening and it's fair to say it BLEW ME THE FUCK AWAY. Damn. Just when you think you've heard it all...

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dont like the title track on this - doesnt really fit the time IMO - too whimsical, more suited to the family or prince himself IMO, maybe even sheila e. but it doesnt seem right for morris day. this is the album when they got a lot rockier... or at least, the production got a lot rockier, like princes own music at the time.

probably because it doesn't sound like a typical time song, i like it's subtle funkyness

but not as good...

and I agree Screams of passion is one of Prince's best...but I wouldnt shit on ICC....

I like ICC ALOT....


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and it was largely due to the Time's appearance in Purple Rain.

The Doc will break this down track by track:

1. "Ice Cream Castles"

referring to GumDrops here:

>dont like the title track on this - doesnt really fit the
>time IMO - too whimsical, more suited to the family or prince
>himself IMO, maybe even sheila e. but it doesnt seem right for
>morris day. this is the album when they got a lot rockier...
>or at least, the production got a lot rockier, like princes
>own music at the time.

The Doc used to not like this song because it really was not a "Time" track, thematically or sonically, but it's cool with him now. This joint is definitely more suited for Prince himself. This was the only video shot with the group as it was shown in Purple Rain; Morris Day even looked odd singing the song. The Doc could maybe see Jesse Johnson singing (and playing) this song, but Prince never let Jesse take center stage (more on this later). This song bears the hallmarks of Prince's "Purple Rain" and later era material, particularly in parts of the chorus (the bassline).

2. "My Drawers"

A lot of reviewers have denoted this song as The Time's shift to "rock" oriented music because of the electric guitar being featured prominently in the melody and not just as a solo piece. The Doc does believe that on this album, you hear Jesse Johnson genuinely playing here. However, this song is more "Time" like than most others on this album. If for anything, the main synth line. Definitely "Prince" but in the style he had established for The Time. The Doc's personal favorite off the album.


3. "Chili Sauce"

One word: Bullshit. Ok, let The Doc back up a little bit. This song isn't really much of a song, but a skit over some background music that might have been playing in Purple Rain (the movie). You hear Prince doing his funny "jive talker/fake Morris" voice on this track. There's nothing of note here; it's not even as funny as some of the vocal skits on the Time albums prior are, save for Morris's laughter. Time fans know the "Chili Sauce" as the sliding dance that Jimmy Jam often called for when the original line-up was still together. With a song of the same title, you'd expect something as jumpy as the B-side "Tricky" (more on that later)...but instead you get filler material. They should have renamed this song "Toast & Nutella".


4. "Jungle Love"

The album's blockbuster single and centerpiece. Nothing really much needs to be said. It's an effective dance song, but lacks some of the power of their earlier material. Jesse Johnson has a legit writing credit on this album (that was later revoked by Prince); if you've heard Jesse's solo material, this song sounds very similar to his more uptempo numbers. It was because of this song and its success that Jesse was able to broker a solo record deal with A&M soon after this album.

5. "If The Kid Can't Make You Come"

Even more bullshit. As Prince was making sure Purple Rain was fine tuned, and not as explicit as his earlier albums, this track most likely got cast off and given to The Time. The title even seems to imply Prince's character "The Kid" in Purple Rain. Maybe if this was a song hyping up the rivalry between The Kid and Morris Day instead of a lame bedroom workout on wax, this would have fared better.

6. "The Bird"

This marked the first time you actually hear the Time as they were assembled at the time, live and in stereo. An uptempo song in the vein of "Jungle Love", and still one of The Time's most popular numbers. However, the ad-libbed rough language from Morris seems to be oddly positioned in the middle of the jam, which, considering most of their songs never really went into the R-and-higher-rated category that Prince was known for (directly, anyway)...is kind of weird. The video more or less consisted of footage from Purple Rain spliced together, as was that of Jungle Love.


There was a B-Side to this song, "Tricky". One of the few pieces of recorded evidence of Morris Day's drumming ability, it's only Prince and Morris Day playing a "Time"-like groove. Morris starts to rattle off a long-winded insult at an arbitrary target. Afterward, Prince takes his place doing the "fake Morris" voice. Apparently, the song was made to taunt George Clinton. Who knows why?

While this album is notable for being the first Time album where there was considerable input from its members, there was a lot of turmoil behind the scenes. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were fired by Prince prior to the recording of this album, prompting Monte Moir to follow; they were hastily replaced by Paul "St. Paul" Peterson (later to become the lead singer of The Family), Rocky Harris (who appeared on "The Bird") but was fired as well, and was replaced by Gerry Hubbard (who appears in all the videos and Purple Rain), and Mark Cardenez (who joined Jesse Johnson's Revue with Hubbard).

The exploits of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis speak for themselves.

Prince and Morris Day were not getting along during this time; most of it stemmed from their demotion at live shows and the firing of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. It's a wonder Purple Rain was ever filmed (and Morris turned in an unforgettable performance). After a show in '84, perhaps even before Purple Rain-mania, Morris Day walked out, never to return.

This left the Time in disarray. Jesse Johnson wanted to lead The Time, Prince wanted St. Paul to take the role. Jesse wasn't pleased with that, and he was out as well. Gerry Hubbard and Mark Cardenez followed him to his new band.

This left Jerome, Jellybean, and St. Paul. Prince then took those three, Susannah Melvoin (his girlfriend at the time) and some others, and made The Family.

With all of that in perspective, it's not even a wonder why this album was lackluster. This is one of the times where high sales really did not really reflect the quality of an album; Pandemonium, the reunion album that came 6 years better was a much more enjoyable affair.

this is exactly how most P fans view this album....

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Prince's waiter character is hilarious....

do you notice that he says "fuhyutoo, ni--..."

ol girl choking on Morris' drank....

"plants, and lights and shit..."




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but the first time he heard it, he was like... "wait a minute"
that waiter voice is hilarious though. Prince using that voice on the Vanity album was kind of a "no homo" moment but every time Prince does it... LOL, it's like he's trying to get "Uptown" on us but he won't let it out.

he's a stereotypical Asian on Chili Sauce...

the Morris Day voice is raspier than both....but there are similarities...


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they do sound pretty similar. The fact that Prince was supposed to be an "Asian" guy never registered until he just listened to it. It was either that, or some Peter Lorre style character.

this song shows why The Time were such an awesome force on stage....

Prince is quoted as saying the only band he's ever been afraid of was The Time...


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It's a straight up bonafide jam...

If you ain't feelin' "The Bird", you have no soul...



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>I try to do somn like this in the Prince Month posts....but
>there just isnt room for it....that post is too big and all
>encompassing to get into deep discussion about P's albums....
>
>I didnt want to make a separate post in June because that
>dilutes the Prince month post...
>
>that and I never get all the way down the list....
>
>so this post is for that purpose....to really get in DEEP
>about the Purple Midget's MUSIC...
>
>not his costumes, his pimpery, his hair, his live
>performances, etc....
>
>but his MUSIC, on his albums...
>
>I'd like to hear your thoughts, your critiques, etc on the
>music of the Mr. Nelson.....
>
>Dr. Claw's excellent replies in the Prince Month post are the
>type of response that make for great discussion....
>
>you up for it?
>
>we'll do a couple albums per day....
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1. "Ice Cream Castles" – 7:31
2. "My Drawers" – 4:08
3. "Chili Sauce" – 5:47
4. "Jungle Love"(Prince, Morris Day, Jesse Johnson) – 5:33
5. "If The Kid Can't Make You Come" – 7:33
6. "The Bird"(Prince, Morris Day, Jesse Johnson) – 7:44

While filming and recording the music for Purple Rain, Prince also completed albums for The Time and what had now become Appolonia 6...

At this point, Prince was working at a furious clip, continuing to record even after Purple Rain had been completed...

Some consider this album a step down from the first two Time albums...

Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, and Monte Moir had been replaced by Paul(later St. Paul)Peterson, Gerry Hubbard, and Mark Cardenas, respectively....

tension surrounded the sessions....Prince and Morris were not getting along...Jesse was tired of not being involved in the music....

Prince attempted to resolve this by writing with Morris and Jesse on the albums two biggest hits, Jungle Love and The Bird(both songs were featured in Purple Rain being performed by The Time)....

though some complain about the overall slicker sound of this album, there is much to enjoy....

Ice Cream Castle expands the The Time's sound....

the title cut is as summery as its title, but still funky.....the subdued vocal by Morris serves the song to great effect...I'd say this one Prince better songs writing wise...

as the first single, most ppl got lost in the groove and ignored the fact that the song is a blatant promotion of interracial relationships("Mad sisters/why cant they realize/that it wont be long...")...Prince nicked the title from a Joni Mitchell lyric(Prince is a huge Joni Mitchell fan...going as far to make the word "Joni" on of the headlines on the front cover of Controversy....)

My Drawers(pronounced "draws")was the Time first foray into rock, and it works big time....based on a great riff with Morris providing excellent vocal delivery....this joint so danceable that it could pass as funk-rock....

Chili Sauce is a hilarious dialogue piece building on the dialogue segment done on The Walk....this time the dialogue occupies the full length of the song....

over a simmering instrumental...we hear an extended version of Morris' dirty mack on Appolonia(voiced by Sharon Boyce)....Prince appears on the song as a stereotypical Asian waiter...

If the Kid Cant Make You Come is a steamy ballad with more funny dialogue....

for The Bird, Prince employed the same trick he did on Purple Rain; using the basic tracks of a live recording for the album version...
("Hol' on, hol' on...why y'all beatin on shit?...what's that named?...")

Overall, this album is fun and well-executed...though one might miss the old gang while listening, one should defintiely have this album as part of their Time collection....

Scorp's Rating: 4.00/5.00




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he'd have to give it 3.25/5, because ...well, you'll see.
Four good to decent tracks, two throwaways, ITDO.

"Ice Cream Castles" was the one album that made me start to want more "audio adventures" on artists' albums...

well, technically, this and De La's "3 Feet High", but I digress...

I had it on cassette (I forget where I got it from; a garage sale or something) and I loved the whole album front to back.

Re: Ice Cream Castles...

>as the first single, most ppl got lost in the groove and
>ignored the fact that the song is a blatant promotion of
>interracial relationships("Mad sisters/why cant they
>realize/that it wont be long...")

*raises hand to be counted amongst that group*

I don't think I had really paid attention to the lyrics until and earlier post you made talkin' about this...

The way that "Ice Cream Castles" connected to:

>My Drawers (pronounced "draws")

was fuckin' incredible to me...

and then...

>Chili Sauce

maaaan. SOOOOO much comedy on that shit.

"Jerome, stop me when I get to 17..."

"Will you be having a virgin as well?"

"YEASSS!! FOR DESSERT!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!"

>over a simmering instrumental...we hear an extended version of
>Morris' dirty mack on Appolonia (voiced by Sharon
>Boyce)...

oooh...i never knew that *takes notes*

Who is Sharon Boyce? Is she still around?

>Prince appears on the song as a stereotypical Asian waiter...

When I first heard it, I thought that was Morris, but then I realized that multi-tracked dialogue couldn't have been THAT well produced in 1983/4...

>If the Kid Cant Make You Come is a steamy ballad with more funny dialogue....

"This little hook went to Holland....this little hook went to France...this little hook went to London...this little hook went to......OH LAWD! honey don't you EVER try and breast feed no baby...."

"Why not..."

"Nevermind..."

LMMFAO

>Overall, this album is fun and well-executed...

hells yeah it is...I'd even challenge your 4.00...this album is a 5.00 to me...



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Sharon was prolly one of prince's non-celebrity hoes(like the model on the Madhouse albums, that was one of P's broads at the time...lucky mothereff....)


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itIS more suited to P but if P had sung it himself it prolly would have been a MASSIVE hit...

but P was prolly apprehensive abt doing so becuz he was being plagued with attacks abt being a purveyor of Jungle Fever....

this song was his response to that but he kind of chickened out by making it a Time song....

he MADE SURE to put some brown skinned ladies in the video...

but I REALLY dig what Morris did with it....I think his vocal delivery on it is OUTSTANDING...

and I love the rhythm guitar and organ flourishes....



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It has a band feel that I don't think would sound right coming from The Revolution...

>but I REALLY dig what Morris did with it....I think his vocal
>delivery on it is OUTSTANDING...
>
>and I love the rhythm guitar and organ flourishes....

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1. "Around the World in a Day" (David Coleman, John L. Nelson, Prince) – 3:27
2. "Paisley Park" (Prince) – 4:41
3. "Condition of the Heart" (Prince) – 6:46
4. "Raspberry Beret" (Prince) – 3:31
5. "Tamborine" (Prince and the Revolution) – 2:46
6. "America" (Prince) – 3:40
7. "Pop Life" (Prince) – 3:42
8. "The Ladder" (Nelson, Prince) – 5:26
9. "Temptation" (Prince) – 8:21

after Purple Rain took Prince to the heights of mega stardom...he decided that he would not milk the cow...

he decided to go left....

recorded mostly on the Purple Rain Tour in 1984...ATIWAD was designed specifically by Prince to shake off fake fans....

if they wanted to hear Purple Rain again, then they could listen to Purple Rain....

ATWIAD is a whimsical collection of songs with a very loose theme uniting them....basically an update of Uptown, now called Paisley Park is where the denizens of Prince's mind now gather....

a place of whimsy and carefree vibes, Prince observes those who collect there....

the album cover is a psychedelic illustration that is reminiscent of The Beatles's breakthrough, Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band....

the cover shows characters from the songs gathered in what we can assume to be Paisley Park...

characters show various emotional states...the older people are crying and in pain...some are lustful, some are peaceful, some joyful....

there are several depictions of Prince like figures who have different faces....

they are posed against a multi colored background that once the cover is opened is revealed as the silhouette of a nude woman in recline...

many of the songs have ambiguous lyrics hat were probably written that way purposely to invite speculation....

Prince touches on varied topics such as the Cold War, his first sexual experience, lust as sin, masturbation, loneliness, drug addiction, and spiritual salvation...

Condition of the Heart is a chilling piano ballad with an outstanding vocal by Prince that is one of Prince's best written and performed songs....but sadly doesnt get much recognition....

Raspberry Beret was the well-known pop hit...

P returns to the funk on the drum powered smoker Tambourine and also on Pop Life, an easy groover w/drums by Sheila E.

the title track is an Indian influenced joint that was written on tour in 1984....

altogether the album is very enjoyable and there are a number of top-notch songs on it...

but other songs dont stick as well....such as The Ladder and Paisley Park, a Beatles flavored piece of (cliche term alert)pop psychedelia...possibly the driving one chord funk jam America could fit in this category as well....

the critics as well as fans were confounded by this record....and Prince indeed succeeded in shaking off his post Purple Rain fairweather fans...

although it was a wobbly start, this album kickstarted Prince's most creative period....

Scorp's Rating: 3.75/5.00



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I like that Eastern sounding arrangement.


AND Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it safe to say that this is the album where P***** began fiddling with more complex vocal arrangements?



"America", "Tamborine" and "Pop Life" are my faves from this album

For You was basically "wow! look what I can do with all this fancy equipment..."

but you're right I think he got back into complex vocal arrangements with this album....

Tamborine is a good example of this....



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you're right.


I'm gonna wait until we get on "Parade" but that bkg vocal on "Anotherloverholeinyourhead"? I'm convinced God wrote that shit.

yuck.

youll find an errant P freak that loves it, but theyd be few and far between....

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speaking of which, Why DIDN'T they?


Dude was NOTORIOUS for hot B-sides, lol..

maybe he just wanted to have some hot shit to put i the b-side....

If not for Mojo, I would know NOTHING of P's B-side game....


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they each touch on themes he returned to several times through the yrs.

lyrically they're important to understanding his work.

>youll find an errant P freak that loves it, but theyd be few
>and far between....
>
>now Temptation, I can mess wit...
>


Yeah...The Ladder is kind of grating...Maybe if he would have done it in that soulful Ray Charles vocal style he displayed at the end of the Prince of Paisly Park documentary I would have liked it more...

"it's the end of the world as we know it...."(C) Michael Stipe and his buddies

i saw a clip once from the lovesexy tour rehearsals on a tv docu where it was just prince, a piano, and eric leeds doing the ladder and it made me wonder how he managed to ruin the song so much on the album version.

temptation could be great too but that MASSIVE overblown 80s production ruins it.

in reviewing it last night I noticed that the Linn drum completely ruins the song......

live drums would have taken to the next level....

the song is straight gospel, and the Linn drum wasnt appropriate....



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>in reviewing it last night I noticed that the Linn drum
>completely ruins the song......
>
>live drums would have taken to the next level....
>
>the song is straight gospel, and the Linn drum wasnt
>appropriate....
>


Yep Yep...It sounds much better with the regular drums and Prince's Ray Charles-like vocals he did at the end of Prince of Paisley documentary ...Much more soulful...

>temptation could be great too but that MASSIVE overblown 80s
>production ruins it.


that tarnishes it a little, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS MAN...

I remember the bbc2 thing you mean, that version of the ladder is great, it showed him doing just my imagination on the special too right ?

It just goes on too long.

Unlike some of y'all, I think the placement of the *painfully slow* drum machine rhythm adds to the theme of the track. It's almost awkward and dragging, really, and that, to me, sort of musically reflects one's hard journey to find "The Ladder." I always get mental pictures during this song and I think that the arrangement of it is one of the reasons why.

Yeah it might not be the prettiest musical choice but I can see why Prince may have chose to stick with it anyway for this song.

he said it in one of the interviews somebody posted on here not too long ago. he said it was his "F you record".

And to me, this album is EXCELLENT.

To me, this is the hardest album to make for an artist:

How to make the follow-up album to a universally loved, critically and commercially acclaimed album? How do tiy follow-up a smash that was Purple Rain.

Well, Prince did an admirable job with "Around the world...".

The standouts to me are:

"Raspberry Beret" (its more of the same from Prince, just typical prince for that matter)

"paisley park" (i love the songwriting on this...its just incredible)

"condition of the heart" (i don't even know what he is talking about...but his falsetto and the music are again...incredible...a top 10 song for Prince, imo).

"pop life" (again the songwriting is just impeccable...and effortless...I think Sheila E. is on the drums...)

"america" - another gospel-holy dance type cut that gets you jumping(much like "baby i'm a star).

the only dud on this album is "tambourine" where Prince shows his insecurity. He can't stand the fact that his side pussy, Sheila E., can play the drums 100 times better than he can. So he decides to play them on this monotonous cut. not good.

all and all, a great album. and underrated at that. i'm surprised it doesn't get more mention out of the albums from the incredible run from 1980-1987. Its the least talked about for whatever reason.

I think that, along with "When you were mine", it is the best straight pop-song he did...

its not a bad song, per se....

it just underwhelmed me....

I DO like the production on it....


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my all time faves..Regardless, I think its criminal to rate it less than 4.0....Paisely Park, Pop Life, and Rasberry Beret are Pop music bliss....All damn near perfect as you get and timeless...

The title track lets you know that Prince has left the past behind and is headed somewhere new and mysterious...Codition of the heart is a very, very beautiful ballad...America is a cool, funky tune...

This has always been one of my favorite Prince albums that I go back to ....



'Don't rock the boat if you can't swim....'

and for the most part, it paid off.

"Pop Life" is one of his most underrated, but should be most celebrated songs, ITDO.

I'm glad you called this gem out as being underrated but for me it's my 2nd favorite Prince song EVER. Perfect with a capital P.

Originally, I didn't like "ATWIAD" very much but this track stood out from the very beginning. It sets off a groove that's like raw, deep soul...it's just SO GOOD to the ears. The combination of the bass and keyboard in this song and Wendy and Lisa's background vocals is like winning the jackpot in "Pop Life"; it can't get any better. The lyrics are introspective and cover a lot of ground. At the same time, though, the statements Prince makes in this song are sometimes metaphorical and a little mysterious so "Pop Life" calls for a little thought too. Not to mention that the arrangement is extremely catchy, personable and so flawless that it's accessible to pretty much everyone (there's a reason it was a top 10 hit).

"Pop Life" is a smart and brilliant Prince song that I can't get enough of. I wish Prince made more songs with this sort of sound...like an entire album full.

and have fucking loved it ever since. I rememeber hearing the opening of ATWIAD and just thinking wow! That was it, even at that young age i realised that was p giving the world a big fuck you i'll play to the sound of my own drum. Coming off the back of the massive success of purple rain,he could've took the easy route but he thought fuck it, accept me for who i am or kiss my ass. Highlights for me, condition of the heart (prolly my favourite p ballad), ATWIAD for just being an fantastic opener and finally Tamborine, i played that shit to death, if you don't dig that song then you don't get Prince imho, i played it over and over again. Great GREAT album

I initially caught onto Prince's material as an independent listener (and by that I mean, buying my own copies of his albums) through this album.

One of my cousins who was heavily into music gave me a copy of "Sign 'O' The Times" and that knocked me on my ass...

From there, I just randomly started buying some of his shit...

I first bought this one on cassette...


>1. "Around the World in a Day"


At first, I didn't REALLY care for this one, but it grew on me...

Now it's one of my favorite songs of his...


>2. "Paisley Park"


I always kinda dug the campy "circus" feel of this joint...


>3. "Condition of the Heart"

>Condition of the Heart is a chilling piano ballad with an
>outstanding vocal by Prince that is one of Prince's best
>written and performed songs....but sadly doesnt get much
>recognition....


WOW.

The intro to the song freaked me out, but SOTT prepared me for him to do weird shit (I'll explain when we get to that album) on his songs, so I accepted it...

The swell at 1:33 leading into the main piano chords and guitar flourishes made this indeed one of my favorites.

And the lyrics?

"I'm blinded by the daisies in your yard" - this line was soooo dope to me...

I wasn't THAT connected to his personal life at the time I first got into these songs, so I didn't know the backstory about this song, but I loved it nonetheless...


>4. "Raspberry Beret"


I always 'liked' this song and video (the cloud suit that nigga had on was some OTHER shit), but I kinda dismissed it because it was radio's "crutch"...I was kind of a snob back then...


>5. "Tamborine"


ANYBODY who doesn't like this song has no soul.

There...I said it...

Out of all the songs on this album, this was the one I used to play the shit out of...I think the tape was a little worn for that whole passage...LOL...


>6. "America"


My fondest memory of this song wasn't the album version, because to be truthful, in its' regular album sequence I liked the funkiness of it, but I always paid half attention to it just to get to "Pop Life". That was all until I saw this:


http://www.zshare.net/video/26805735c10e3e/ (y'all probably gotta download it to see it...)


Okay, okay, so this link isn't the EXACT performance I saw back then, but somebody on okp shared this video a WHILE ago and I saved it...

Anyhow, the performance that recalls my fondest memory of this shit is the one he did for one of the pay-TV networks - I think it was Showtime or Cinemax - he performed America and threw 45's into the audience...

That shit was OFF THE CHAIN!

Reading the story of why this song was originally 20:46 was damn good...that's one of the reasons I miss that Per Nilsen book...


>7. "Pop Life"


I really can't say much else other than this song is my shit as well...


>8. "The Ladder"


I never really cared for this song, I just tolerate it because it is a good one...


>9. "Temptation"


I REALLY never liked this song...

After a while, I accepted it (ESPECIALLY after the "0(->" album and I realized that he could and HAD done worse)...


>the cover shows characters from the songs gathered in what we
>can assume to be Paisley Park...

That alone was the ILLEST thing about this album to me...above the songs...

One day while I was listening to it, I looked at the cover and I noticed that there was a artistic representation of EACH song...that shit blew me away...


>although it was a wobbly start, this album kickstarted Prince's most creative period

I agree.

A quick few words about the b-sides from this album...

I think the ones from this album's singles were the best collectively:

- Girl (the extended version with the girl talkin' backwards is WEIRD, but I dig it)

- She's Always In My Hair (it's great and all, but I REALLY do like D'Angelo's cover better)

- Hello (this is a great slice of funk...)



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Pop Life doesn't get the props it deserves...Lyrically, it ranks has one of his most potently direct singles...("did he put your million dollar check in someone else's box?" is just a classic line...) And the piano on that joint is just too much...I especially dug how he added the clip of him being booed off the stage from his opening gig for the Rolling Stone...It's the type of shit only Prince would do...

>I especially dug how he added the clip of him being
>booed off the stage from his opening gig for the Rolling
>Stone...It's the type of shit only Prince would do...


I remember having convos about it over the years and nobody seemed to know what it was. I thought it was the opening of the gates at a race track, somebody else said it was the sound of a boxing match, somebody ELSE said it sounded like the floor of an exchange.

i've had the same discussions disco has.

I even asked my uncle who "feeds Horses" as my aunt put it ( aka 'loses all his money at the track'), and he cound't verify that it WASN'T the track...

>I even asked my uncle who "feeds Horses" as my aunt put it (
>aka 'loses all his money at the track'), and he cound't verify
>that it WASN'T the track...
>
>
>


Yeah..it's crazy...You can hear someone scream out in the background "Move along!" You can also hear what sounds to be objects being thrown around (most likely bottles at Prince and Dez' heads...lol....) This took place during the Dirty Mind era...Prince scared the Stones' fans...lol

and after a while we were all like "fuck it...It must've been the NYSE..."



until somebody brought up the Race Track again...


If I ever meet Dude, I'm asking him personally.

I especially dug how he added the clip of him being
>booed off the stage from his opening gig for the Rolling
>Stone...It's the type of shit only Prince would do...

I had NO idea what that was for the longest...

but Pop Life could have done alot better if he had shot a video for it...it got to number #11 on the pop charts w/out one....somebody fucked up royally there....


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>I especially dug how he added the clip of him being
>I had NO idea what that was for the longest...
>
>but Pop Life could have done alot better if he had shot a
>video for it...it got to number #11 on the pop charts w/out
>one....somebody fucked up royally there....
>

Yo Scorp, I think Pop Life made it to #7 in US...Still too low...lol

I had no idea it was that popular....

that song is my shit BTW.....


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>I especially dug how he added the clip of him being
>booed off the stage from his opening gig for the Rolling Stone

For a couple of reasons:

1.) How does that explain the boxing ring bell?
2.) That portion of the song has record distorion (i.e.: pops/hiss) in it - I KNOW Prince wasn't fabricating/sampling those way back in 1985 (like R. Kelly and countless other producers/artists have done since the mid 90's)

I think it's from an old sound effects record...



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>>I especially dug how he added the clip of him being
>>booed off the stage from his opening gig for the Rolling
>Stone
>
>For a couple of reasons:
>
>1.) How does that explain the boxing ring bell?
>2.) That portion of the song has record distorion (i.e.:
>pops/hiss) in it - I KNOW Prince wasn't fabricating/sampling
>those way back in 1985 (like R. Kelly and countless other
>producers/artists have done since the mid 90's)
>
>I think it's from an old sound effects record...



Google it...It's out there...

the part in the middle and end of "Pop Life" that has sounds following a bell...



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say it in english for us earthlings.

it was the lead line in Sex Shooter....

he used it again in She's Always In My Hair....and other joints....


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and The Family.

In short, Vanity 6 was apt-titled PB&J, Apollonia 6's album is much more enjoyable, and The Family... well, The Doc'll talk about it there.

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Vanity 6 (1982, self-titled)

Calling Denise Matthews "Vanity" on stage turned out to be one of the most appropriate moves in the history of things Prince, because this project can be best described as a vanity project if The Doc's ever heard it.

Unlike The Time, Vanity 6 (comprised of Vanity, high-school sweetheart Susan Moonsie, and Brenda Bennett, the token tough-as-nails white girl) didn't seem to be much of an outlet for Prince creatively, but did they ever look nice in that lingerie (and The Doc is a well documented fan of Susan, he tells you what). The idea here was to lure you in with the pretty, and hopefully you'd stay for the shock. There wasn't much more to that. The Time was credited with the music on this album, but in reality, it was Prince (with one exception, noted below).

1. "Nasty Girl"

The group's signature song, which has been sampled, redone and what have you to death since its conception. The drums here are similar to what you'd find on "Lady Cab Driver" but less forceful. Vanity sings lead in her "huffy-puffy princess" voice, and for the time (Reagan-mania in effect), the lyrics and ad-libs weren't just suggestive, they were not too far away from early "shock" Prince.

2. "Wet Dream"

Vanity again on lead. The title is about as shocking as it gets in this song, otherwise it's pretty tame. It's sort of like that new-wave influenced pop-rock Prince really got rolling on the 1999 album. However...once you get past the shock, there isn't too much to say (which is the case of most songs on this album).

3. "Drive Me Wild"

Susan Moonsie on lead. They shot a video for this, reinforcing Susan's image of being the "innocent 16-year old" that sounds like the target of Alexander O'Neal's famous single. Well, Susan doesn't really sing here... she sort of... talks in come-ons.

4. "He's So Dull"

This song was another single from the album. Dez Dickerson wrote and played on most of this song...and it's very apparent, as this song doesn't have any of the Prince musical signatures as well. It sounds like retro rock with the same sort of morbid sense of humor that Prince songs were known for having. It's a total role reversal from track 2, considering, the POV of the song's narrator. Since it probably would have inhabited the space held by songs like Toni Basil's "Mickey" on the radio dial, this didn't go too far.

5. "If A Girl Answers (Don't Hang Up)"

This song sounds like it could have been actually played by The Time. It sounds a lot like "Wild & Loose" meets "Let's Work". Vanity, and later, Brenda rap to the catty "other woman".... who just happens to be Prince doing the "fake Morris Day" voice to much hilarious effect in a truly "no homo" moment. Whether Prince intended his voice to be on the final mix is a mystery, but that is just one of the funniest things ever, besides Brenda's part of the rap where she threatens to put her underwear in her mouth of the offender. LTDFAO!!

6. "Make Up"

Susan again on lead. And again...she's talking like a robo-doll, not singing. More or less a Prince drum-machine and synth affair, nothing much to see here. You hear that weird knocking synth percussion you hear on the Controversy album here.

7. "Bite The Beat"

Brenda on lead, and out of the three, she actually is a decent singer. Though this song was credited to Brenda and Jesse Johnson, this song, is 100% a Prince-style new-wave punk affair. The guitar work sounds a whole lot like Prince's work on "Sister" (Dirty Mind) to not be Prince on this track. However, The Doc wonders what this song is really about, with the "it tastes like caviar" line when Brenda is singing about the song, guitar strings and what not. Damn Prince and his double entendres.

8. "3 x 2 = 6"

This is a Prince power ballad in the vein of "International Lover" with detuned synthesizers galore. This sounds like it might fit on 1999, but it's almost too dissonant even for that. Vanity takes the lead here.

The bottom-line: For Prince completists/enthusiasts only. Of all of Prince's ideas, this one should have been better thought out, ITDO...

I only like the classic Nasty Girl and If A Girl Answers...

and I kinda liked Drive Me Wild...


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the thing about that, you wonder just what Prince was up to with this.
Only "He's So Dull" could work on radio back then. "Nasty Girl" somehow got some sort of spins, but The Doc's sure that had to be edited to high hell. "Drive Me Wild" was way too dull to catch on, unless you were really down with the Prince sound.

And then the videos. Well, MTV wasn't playin' no Black folks until Rick James called 'em on it, and CBS pulled a power move when Thriller dropped, so that was out. Even on Soul Train, Vanity and 'em had to put on a little clothes.

So you have an album that isn't at all even for radio (which was still important then), videos that might get late night play if any, and well, an act that needs The Time's help in a live setting.

Not good.

Apollonia 6, now... that one has some jams.

>the thing about that, you wonder just what Prince was up to
>with this.
>Only "He's So Dull" could work on radio back then. "Nasty
>Girl" somehow got some sort of spins, but The Doc's sure
>that had to be edited to high hell. "Drive Me Wild" was way
>too dull to catch on, unless you were really down with the
>Prince sound.
>
>And then the videos. Well, MTV wasn't playin' no Black folks
>until Rick James called 'em on it, and CBS pulled a power move
>when Thriller dropped, so that was out. Even on Soul Train,
>Vanity and 'em had to put on a little clothes.
>
>So you have an album that isn't at all even for radio (which
>was still important then), videos that might get late night
>play if any, and well, an act that needs The Time's help in a
>live setting.
>
>Not good.
>
>Apollonia 6, now... that one has some jams.


I don't know Doc...That Vanity 6 album may not have been on the pop charts or pop radio, but "Nasty Girl" was played so much on urban and dance radio that (read: black folks radio) you couldn't escape it...I just think that the public at large was not ready for Prince's slutty-R&B-new wave-pop-queen concept yet...It was a few years before Madonna, not to mention that Vanity wasn't white...But that's another story...

what's wrong with y'all?

I fucks with "Wet Dream". I love the drum programming in that song. It's pretty lush too, for early 80s Prince.

I like that track a lot and wish it could be longer (I've been contemplating a re-edit). I know it's not groundbreaking Prince music, but I just love the synth sound, the background squelches and the stuttery electro vibe. It beats hard to me.

like something Prince started, never finished and was like, "Here, Susan. Talk on this."

NM

I want just the instrumental of it

It was fun watching you guys backtrack, and repeat they same shit over and over and over and over about each album. I am looking forward to discussing the greatness of NPS, The Rainbow Children, and the mixed by Prince himself Planet Earth.

>It was fun watching you guys backtrack, and repeat they same
>shit over and over and over and over about each album. I am
>looking forward to discussing the greatness of NPS, The
>Rainbow Children, and the mixed by Prince himself Planet
>Earth.



LOL...I'll give you musically Rainbow Children and the spirit of Planet Earth...But NPS???? Are you serious homie?...Wait, dont answer that...

damn.