1. The quiet storm love songs. I'm not talking about songs about women, I'm talking about the extra sappy lame-ass songs that cropped up on many a late '80s/'90s album, mostly on ones produced by Marley Marl. I don't if he had it in his producer's contract or whatever, but the world did not need tracks by Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, and Craig G crying about the girls that left them. Also applies to all LL love songs not named "I Need Love."

2. HipHouse tracks. They all sucked. All of tem. Keep hip-hop and house separate.

but i just hope coolio never comes back.
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>2. HipHouse tracks. They all sucked. All of tem. Keep hip-hop
>and house separate.
>
>

uh...actually no he isn't.

just like Kool Rock Steady...




















See you in Hell. When you get to the gate, tell them you're on my guest list. If not, Then I'll send Satan out to get you.

no diggidy.

for another album or two. they were forced to change who they were.

at any rate, i think they caught a raw deal because i thought they were still nice without the bumstiggitys and whatnot.

I still love that album, but it makes no fucking sense. Aside from "Looseys" and "Dum Dums" it's a string "iggedy's" and jingles from commercials. A lot of it doesn't even makes sense as straight up battle rhymes.

However, I do agree with you that it wasn't their fault they fell off. They had to change their style before they were ready to, and as a result, "Straight Up Sewaside" sucked. And by the time they "came back" with the "Hold It Down" album, no one cared anymore.

>I still love that album, but it makes no fucking sense. Aside
>from "Looseys" and "Dum Dums" it's a string "iggedy's" and
>jingles from commercials. A lot of it doesn't even makes sense
>as straight up battle rhymes.

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...that shit didnt last long at all ..but god damn was it corny

True story, I'm not making it up.

my boy actually recognized him.

But I'll go with Cross Colors/Karl Kani

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a la Rumpletilskinz, LONS and ONYX.


But then again the Crunk dudes have kept that tradition alive.

unfortunately, you can't hear it because of friggin' 50 Cent.

i was listening to the first LONS last week, and I was like "STOP SCREAMING AT ME!!!"


and Onyx was just as bad.




but yeah MOP gets that good Scream on too, lol...


IT'S THE LEGENDARY STREET TEAM!!!!!!!

in between begging for spare change, that is...

dude, that was my CUT,lol...

Especially since "Hoodrat" is slang for "dirty ass hoe."

when THEY were the Hoodratz, it just meant "anybody from the grimiest part of the Hood"...

somehow it got twisted just to mean chicks.

I think the Hoodratz were out in like 93 or 94...

First known hip-hop appearance was on Compton's Most Wanted "Music II Drivey" album.

was a good ass album. i would like to add fat joe to the list of shouters. i remember getting high in somebody's crib and the speakers was behind me. fat joe's first album was playing and i remember telling them "turn this shit down i feel like i got a fat mufuka shoutin at me." i was high so it really didn't feel comfortable at all.

Yup

it'll make a comeback.

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i guess mainstream rap artists will pick it up in like 7 months or so as usually

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"I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH"

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

the theme from "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" sounds like he wrote it in 1982.

Rakim knows FULL well that Gucci ain't made no sweatsuits with the Gucci print on the shoulders.


Same with Louis Vuitton and MCM...

it's really no different from the hipster bapenerds with the gucci and LV dunks and shit
knowing damm well never in a million years would those companies co-sign them

in 87 I was begging my mom to buy me a Troop suit so I could look like LL on the Bad cover

>knowing damm well never in a million years would those
>companies co-sign them

Teddy Riley used to walk on water...TRUE STORY.

Teddy Riley's production for Kool Moe Dee was dope, and it wasn't hip-hop. Hip-Hop never worked over that 120 BPM, synthy shit.

all that Wolf & Epic shit, too... they had some sweet chord changes

I can't front I listented to MC Lyte's "Act Like You Know" album last week and liked it WAAAAAAAYYYYY more than I remembered.

As a side note, they were pretty good at straight-up hip-hop production. They had some dope beats on MC Serch's solo album.

i HATED that shit...

Because the song New Jack Swing itself was the shit. But it just got overdone waaaaaaaaaay too quick. That and you can only use the same synths so many times before everything sounds the same.

I think it probably hit critical mass with that BBD album or somewhere around there...

Nothing wrong with that.

QUIT PLAYIN'.

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"I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH"

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

you're crazy

that "Quiet Storm" shit was AWFUL.
and the ballads were some bullshit too. If LL never had them on
Walking With A Panther, no one would have said he was wack/falling off.

Because that album is DOPE outside of the two bullshit songs.

"One Shot at Love" and "Two Different Worlds" are SEVERE drains on that album. Eliminate them and you've got a great album. Which is how it is on my iPod.

cool video, bad song. He tried to make another "going Back to Cali"...

...were like, some of the worst hip-hop The Doc has ever heard in that era.

dude, Kane was singing.

God awful...

atrocious.

it was God awful and devil disdained...

sadly, we didn't know that Kane had so much more wackness to unleash on us.

Even WOMEN were like: "turn that lame shit off"


Had that album been around during the CD era, I would've only heard it ONCE. But since it was on cassette, my general laziness ( accompanied with the fact that me and rest of the crew was usually piss drunk while listening to Hip-Hop) ensured that I didn't get up to fast forward it.



you HAD to sit through wack shit back then...

>Even WOMEN were like: "turn that lame shit off"

lol...that defeated the WHOLE purpose of making that bullsh*t!

>Had that album been around during the CD era, I would've only
>heard it ONCE. But since it was on cassette, my general
>laziness ( accompanied with the fact that me and rest of the
>crew was usually piss drunk while listening to Hip-Hop)
>ensured that I didn't get up to fast forward it.
>
>
>
>you HAD to sit through wack shit back then...

i got the vinyl, kid. i flipped that b*tch smoove the f*ck over.

So if you flipped the record over, you'd miss that. I mean, "Ain't No Half Steppin'" is MUCH better, but "Bugged" was pretty dope.

*taps you dumb hard in the forehead*

STOP F*CKIN' UP THE POST, McFLY!!!

"To Be Your Man," (the ballads on the two subsequent BDK albums). At least Primo got a good scratch out of "You Got Me Waiting."

And that doesn't even factor in "One Shot at Love" or "Two Different Worlds." Those songs could kill lab rats.

after he smashed Madonna, dude just went NUTS with the "loverman" tunes...



I gave him a pass on "Taste of Chocolate" (shirtless on the cover, no less), but that was the end of the line for the kid...

The Doc always skips that bullshit on Kane's album.

Taste of Chocolate was the shit, though. Outside of the one bullshit ballad... that album was dope.

I still know that jawn line for line...


"allow me to introduce myself...As the Big Daddy Kane. A smooooooth lover MC from around the way that's BOUND to drive any bitch insane...

"Well DOLOMITE is my name... and Rappin and Tappin' is my GAME!!!!"



son, my Ex HATED when I'd recite that shit...

"Prince of Darkness." ***shiver***

Features even more bullshit ballads and New Jack Swing bullshit. Worst of all possible combos.

Lord, lord, lord.....That was the end for me right there.

aka saying the current year at the end of the track.
It might come back but 'two-thousand-six' doesnt have quite the ring that 'nine-six' had, ya know?

o-six, o-seven...dont know why they dont just say taht...not like in the 90s people said 'nineteen-ninety-seven', people just said 'ninety-seven'..

that shit is not fuckin nice b.

You know, the artists and their crew hanging out all decked out in timbs and hoodies with smoke coming out of their mouths to prove how cold it is in NYC...

esp. the shot where they stand in the hallways & mean mug the camera

where there would be a solid color backdrop or silhouette(sp). those were the worst.

that and the drum sounds used on r&b power ballads

and dudes wearing colorful ass oversized suits... most of the time with no shirt on of any kind, just the jacket or vest and pants.

and walking canes

i could go on, i tell ya

look at One More Chance, Juicy, Can't You See....flash flash flash...

HATED that

It was cool once in a while, but some just went overboard with it. Like Keith Murray ("Hostile") & AZ ("Life's a Bitch.") Their entire careers were dependant on the debut verses that put them on the map, so they practically reused every line for choruses on their albums.

Keith Murray made a whole album's worht a hooks re-using he own lines from "Hostile." Shit, Jamal probably still re-uses the "Fades 'Em All" line from his verse on Keith Murray's first album.

Them goggles people used to rock in the late 90's trynna look like Horace Grant... UGH!

Carhartt made a gazillion bucks off of it, but seriously...


Cats were wearing workclothes and carrying Pitchforks, Machetes and, Coal shovels and shit.


wtf was THAT?

especially since none of those jokers looked like they'd done a day of work in their lives

I KNOW John Deere's marketing dept. was trying to work an Angle...

"can we sign those Naughty by Nature guys? or are they Carharrt types as well?"

ROFL you are SO right...and who was that group singin bout Hay in the barn....from teh Chi..u know who I mean Disco...

HATE
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Dude. HATE. That's all I have to say about Crucial Conflict.

HATEHATEHATEHATEHATE.

I friend of mine (who was a pretty good producer) used to swear to me that the production on "Final Tic" was genius. Eh, I couldn't hear it.

according to them ( or whoever) they got the call to meet with Fab Five Freddy ( or whoever was running Pallas Records at the time).

So they piled up in the car to make the cross country drive. I'm not genius, but isn't a flight cheaper than a cross country drive?

Anywhoo... They're in the car and the ONLY tape they had was a Juke music tape ( a horrible House music offshoot. don't ask...)

They didn't have their Demo done, so they practiced along to the Juke Tape which is why they had that fast rapping style.


Now you mean to tell me you are on the way to the BIGGEST meeting of your LIFE and you don't ahve your fucking DEMO ?

AND that when you piled in the car on a 2 day drive NOBODY brought extra tunes?

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Don't get me started, family...

Them cats had everybody thinking Chicago was full of farmers. ColdHard ( I STILL die laughing over THAT shit) lived downstairs from me. Dude was neither Cold NOR Hard.

>Dude was neither Cold NOR Hard.

dude. He'd get dissed at a Stamp collectors convention.


and now you're out here frowning in vidoes? GTFOOH.


nothing against him, he's still a good dude (took care of his family when he was making cake). My Mom still talks to his mom and she sees him from time to time. She says he's still a decent cat, and not on no fame shit...

Let the record state that He was never a ruffian though.

Yeah, I heard they weren't the sharpest pencils in the box, but, um, damn.

But between them and Doe or Die, I had a hard time taking post-Common hip-hop out Chicago seriously. That is, until I got there.

i totally forgot about that

like they had SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many women, that they could diss all the models in the video see also:

EST in "funky Divendends"
TJ Swann in "the Vapors"
Diamond D in "Sally got a one Track mind"

etc, etc. (in a cashmere sweater, even...)

"Eliminating your whole crew, AND your Dancers" (C) Ju-Ju

Especially when it was like just one or two of them, a la Scoob and Scrap (Kane) or Shawn and Kenny (Kool G Rap) or Leg One and Two (MC Lyte). It usually added some flava to their videos or stage shows. It got out of control with MC Hammer and they like, when they're 20 of these m.f.'s and everything was super-choreographed, like a fucking Janet Jackson video. As long as they kept it simple, I was cool.

^ my first involvement in hip hop.

i'm like, morally offended and stuff.

I would clown you on this, but my side are really hurting right now as I visualize you doing the Roger Rabbit in a Van Grack Sweatsuit.

>I would clown you on this, but my side are really hurting
>right now as I visualize you doing the Roger Rabbit in a Van
>Grack Sweatsuit.

Let me wipe a few of these tears away. Damn. Yeah, shit.

i am still salty over the fact that by the time i got involved in hip-hop, background dancers were now considered corny cause i have always wanted to come out on stage with a dancer on either side. i'd rap the verse and then join them for a little step sequence in the chorus...

p.s. when i heard 50 signed mobb deep i was hoping he'd use them as his dancers.

>p.s. when i heard 50 signed mobb deep i was hoping he'd use
>them as his dancers.

that would be the best thing ever.

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Allah, all the 5 percenter stuff, knowledge God etc... yet smoking blunts and have the obligatory hoe record on the album - Kane was great at that

>2. HipHouse tracks. They all sucked. All of tem. Keep hip-hop
>and house separate.
>
>

Don't worry, I'll wait (c) Kat Williams.

too easy.

"Cause they're, ya know, cornballs.

how you gonna diss the originators of the sh*t??

.

And the house remixes by the British producers of the De La and Tribe tracks always sucked.

The closest they got to a house song that I liked was "Doing Out Thang" remix, which was more disco than house anyway.

doesn't mean that it wasn't good! seriously though i don't feel like debating this with someone who doesn't know good music. you asked a question i answered and no matter what i bring up you'll disagree, so conversation over!

>doesn't mean that it wasn't good! seriously though i don't
>feel like debating this with someone who doesn't know good
>music.

No amount of plea-copping will make these house remixes of De La and Tribe any good.

>you asked a question i answered and no matter what i bring up you'll disagree, so conversation over!

Well allrighty then!

...girl ill house you and the stroblight honey remix get a pass from me ....thats about it

Todd Terry produced that joint under the Name "Royal House",

amd he was an in-house producer at Warlock Records( the Jungle Bros first label), so Warlock basically let them rhyme over the Todd Terry joint and put it at the end of the album to cash in on the Hip-House craze.


Imagine all the poor HOUSEheads who heard "I'll House You" first and bought "straight out the Jungle", lol....


"what's this Rappin stuff?"

Seriosuly, I'm listening to all these out-of-print '80s and '90s album over the last few weeks, and they all hav at least one or two hip-house songs. And they ALL suck.

I dont know house like that but that track was insane.

monie love - grandpa's party
jungle brothers - girl i'll house you
de la soul - saturdays remix
queen latifah - come into my house
jungle brothers - what u waitin' for

The JBeez were alright with it (I don't really consider 'What U Waitin' For' a hip-house track for some reason but I guess you could.....especially considering the video), all the Monie Love house joints sucked (for some reason I remember there being at least two on that first album).

Yeah, hip-house was not a good development....and most times it seemed to be Native Tongue-affiliated artists propagating it (trying a little too hard to show progression).

Even though it was more 'club-hop' than 'hip-house'. But on a whole, they all did suck

But co-sign on King Sun being more Club-Hop.

and then fucked up and went at Cube...


I wonder if he ever got promoted to Night Manager at Kinko's...

Shit like "Soft Shoe Booty," "The Sword," "Pure Energy," and "Big Shots" were legitimately dope. But yeah, as soon as he went up against Ice Cube, it was over for me.

After that, the one thing I'll give him props for was entering the New Music Seminar Battle in '95 or '96 (can't remember which it was) to show that signed MCs still had freestyle/battle skills. Dude made it to the finals before losing to Chi-town's Judgemental, I believe.

was that song (with an accompanying video) where he called out cats for wearing African medallions without actually being able to name a country in Africa.

And they had some clown-looking dude say "uuhhh....Jamaica" before King Sun went back into his scolding verse.

Dope song on a dope album.

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that shit got outta control after Scenario
like in 94, 95
he was EVERYWHERE

You have the light skinned girl or the pretty boy with a process in his hair on drums, some white girl on the guitar, a few people swinging trombones and trumpets and somebody on a keyboard. nothing is plugged up, and they don't even try to fake like they play with the music. Hell, some of the songs don't even have the damn instruments in them in the first place. That shit had to go

or as we used to call it "The Teddy Riley Machine"...


and the "Chick in the bikini and Ray Ban's Wayfarers playing the Saxophone"

"move your fingers, bitch!!! it's a SAX, not a bugle!!!"

you ever seen that album cover where they both are strapped up? LOL.

ridiculous.

and what i tell you about Teddy Riley son? WALKED ON WATER. lmao...

Wayfarers. haahaaahaaa...those used to be the shiznit.

they WOULD'VE had the "colored leather outfits" game sewed up too, but ya boy Eddie Murphy RUN Tings...


He had a purple Paisley leather joint dude. PRINCE didn't even have one of those.

What happened? The dude that made it designed it for Prince, but it was too big so Eddie bought it?

consider that track dela did with chaka khan hip house. it is defintiely a hip song and there is the house version.

"it ain't all good"

day we had a system. if a group had a bunch of half naked hookers in the video they was prolly wack mc's. i remember when we saw the eric b and rakim video can't remeber the song but he was walking around and there were a bunch video hoes and he is scowling like he usually do looking like the label forced it on him.

Biz Markie STAYED with the half nekkid hookers, and ALWAYS made good videos.

the starting of his ending, P-bonically speaking.

Seemed rather out of place, but I wan't mad at it at the time.

Did those chicks even HAVE faces?

in Media, the between the legs shot, pointing out how
it objectifies women, like they don't even have faces
or, their faces don't matter.

e.g. Salt n Pepa 'Itz your Thang'

....yeah; I don't miss that at ALL.

doing goofy dance steps.

Word...the xtra smedium joints and the hats with the front bill flipped upward.

WTF was up with those 2 roided up Venice Beach mullet Hulk Hogan spandex suit cats?
flexin and shit, dancin behind Ice Cube
I really think that's the reason he left, Jerry Heller was just a scapegoat

>I really think that's the reason he left, Jerry Heller was
>just a scapegoat

yall are trippin most of these things are priceless


and the quitestorm was doinnnnn it

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