Example:

The Coup suck.



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27!!!!

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>
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word

i think someone made a post bout words ending with "st" being used way too much. this be a prime example.

dude got about 15 ways to rhyme
he can range from club banger to serious shit to freestylin
like woah
and he makes it all seem easy
not to mention he slaughters other folks' beats
every rapper is not capable

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Bumblebee cars can't hold a man of The Doc's stature.

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^^^^This is why we download albums

n/m

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27!!!!

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Nas>Rakim

The 50-60 year old's in their suits looked at it for weeks and then eventually asked (*cue stuffy and extra proper white-man voice, clears throat*) "Um, what does that mean"?

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Nas>Rakim

it means, ur the shirts

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Nas>Rakim

YUP !

Nas pulled a Blueprint 2
Jay did a verse on a Young Jeezy song.

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27!!!!

and it shits on BP2

i dunno who won the battle

but SD is very very very good

n/m

i'ma have to use that one.

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27!!!!

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street disciple wa dope and jay killed that jeezy track!!!

lot of people don't understand Jay-Z didn't need to come Nas in the first place, but he did it because he knew he get some good compation if he did. Nas heard Jay and that but a fire under his butt and "made" him step up his pen game up. If Jigga just didn't say anything at Nas in the first place, Nas would be a Vh1 special titled "Where are They Now".

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Nas>Rakim

.

Had a tough time making a fucking dope beat.

But yet, y'all were dickridin hard.

I aint namin no names.

:)


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<----- THAAAAAAAS RIIIGHT

<----- THAAAAAAAS RIIIGHT

You're ugly.
You use Biggie's lines too much.
You're old and you box.
Some made up story about you calling me while running through a project building even though you would be a kid when that call would have occured.
Eminem had a better verse than you on Renegades.

Oooo

Oh yeah, and you're gay.

That's all the "greatest lyricist who ever lived" got?

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come on now, ether was just somethin' that non jay-z fans liked
takeover was somethin' that even nas fans had to be like, uh oh, you don't want it with hov
only people who liked ether were people who hate jay

However, I am under no illusion that it was the "death blow" in the battle or somehow crippled Jay-Z in any way. It was just a harsh, funny as hell dis track. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ditto with the "no mustache havin'" line and "I rock ho's, you rock fellas."

The shit wasn't "No Vaseline"; it didn't forever alter the way I thought of Jay, but it was still funny and Nas brought some passion to the rhyme, which he hadn't done in years.

Nas was NEVER funny.

His tracks had little to no humor in it...not even something to make you LOL...

but when he started off with that "Gay-Z and Cock-A-Fella" shit... LOL...rewind, rewind, rewind.

thank you, I've bing for someone to write what you just wrote

takeover was rough dude

i still dunno who "won" but that was not a weak diss track


"you're a dick riding faggot, you love the attention, queens niggas run you niggas ask russell simmons"

that's pretty rough, esp b/c at the time Jay-Z was just releasing some shit for "the attention" see: hey papi

nas is far from perfect and his share of wackness, but either was a nasty diss

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I ain't cut from that kind of cloth like that.

it's supposed to be "i'm original, just like Prince"

jambone lost

talk out of your ass day in the lesson?

fuckin sheep

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93. 93/93

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93. 93/93

Not true...Newark been up on them niggas since at least 95-96...we just HEAVY bootleggers. 'Face, Ball & MJG, Project Pat...all that shit gets burn back home....niggas just be pirating fiercely

there has never been a great female rapper

9th wonder hasnt been hot since Threat...with the exception of the New New York Track and Instigator

though hes a whore for money, 50 cent makes good music

Pharoahe Monche is top five all time, as it stands hes top ten

Lauryn was the closest thing to a great female emcee when she was a Fugee.

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Of course, it was after thinking to myself, "Hmm, I haven't listened to this in a while."

i've only listened to it like 5 times

.

by the way, my screenname's lame
http://www.last.fm/user/KennyFresh/

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93. 93/93

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And 2 much of the Lord in me 2 enjoy the world...(c) Shai Linne

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I cool down to "Drive Slow."

Try again.

I still bump this CD.

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Jay Lost. Period. But not to ether.
Prince is the truth.
D'angelo is not comparable to Prince, nor should he be compared...
he's a damn good songwriter/singer in his own right.
Who the fuck is BunB? smirk.
Phife fell off years ago.
Sure another Blackstar is welcomed... but fellas... do the right thing.. use the producers from the fucking first album already. And pay them this time.

Madlib is dope.... but sloppy... yet it still works.
Can someone please find the JayDee in Dilla?
More people deserve credit for Voodoo than just D.
Will someone please assassinate Dwele's agent/stylist/A&Rteam?
When the fuck will MC's stop singing?
Why are mixtapes better than albums?

Kanye is not a superproducer... he's a male model for Ebony.
And Jet. And Essence. And Ultrasheen/UltraPerm cosmetics.
And Ebony Male. And Sister2Sister.

Kanye is about two steps away from being a Bronner Brothers ad, but the question remains... which one of the twins will he be? The one in the business suit working in the office at 7pm, or the one in front of the fire place wearing a bikini while holding red wine?
Hmm.

OH, and Kanye is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy overrated...for my money
Dilla
Hi-Tek
88 Keys
Ge-ology
Madlib
and
Just Blaze are better than Kanye in terms of hiphop. However the man has range, technicality, money, and a predatorial mover and shaker "make it happen" mentality. That's why he wins.

Usher is not Michael Jackson.
Justin Timberlake is not Michael Jackson.

Marquis Houston is 49 years old.

Michael just may be the greatest performer to ever live.

That "Touch" video by that cat was pretty ill. Really that and the User joint "U don't have to call" being the closest run. But he still has em by a mile or so.

Prince is definitely the greatest recording artist of our last few generations.

What does Miles/Madlib/and Prince have in common?
Be was aiight. Corners and Go! was incredible.
Electric Circus had some ill moments and is underatted.

People who talk shit about the talent of Jimi Hendrix are doing so damn near 40 years after the fact after countless recordings, films, documentaries about the man. Try doing that in 1966-70. Different story.

& this last one: Musicology. Everything else in bet. I call: The Lost years.

"The Truth" is great, though

it really could have been great

as is, it's sub-par

From the moment he dropped "Batdance", he is flat out trash.

with black thought hatin on dude

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NEITHER...AA DU DU DU BUSH EITHER A Z ZU ZU ZU BUSH EITHER"

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first place bishes!!!

and didn't start with stay fly

you've got
-lil wayne
-bun b
-3 6 mafia

(just for starters)

im so foreal.

And I can't understand how anyone could think Ant isn't nice w/ the beats.

(I'm a big Slug fan, but I realize a lot don't like him, but you gotta give it up for Ant, at least!!!!)

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cosign

Brother Ali, Atmosphere, Greenhouse Effect, etc = not interesting

And I'd like to see your favorite rappers battle Slug, Eyedea, and dem.

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>And I'd like to see your favorite rappers battle Slug,
>Eyedea, and dem.


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and don't talk to me about the Metu Neter, 'cause none of their shit makes sense, period.

"I control electro-magnetic winds with my rhymes!"

No...no you don't. You can't even get me to cop your record and your talking about changing the solar system at your will.

.

the fossils aren't aging gracefully.

whichever came first

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Their track-record otherwise is pretty spotty, save a few tracks with ODB & Jay-Z. Sorry, never liked the Snoop shit.

this makes this reply invalid.


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27!!!!

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I've always been VERY clear about that. It's the only song I still listen 2 from that CD.

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.

.

I used to play the heck outta that tape. "Do You Think About Us" b/w "When Girl Meets Boy".

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well. no thats actually not true at all.
they're the one thing that get you trippin.

"i've got a beat right now that could save maya"(c)ye
lol

......

someone attacked the mighty ruler of okp

they are attacking ?uest. where is the groupie patrol

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belong to Outkast.

and the 2 Live Crew.

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27!!!!

and you forgot Scarface, The Geto Boys, Juvenile, The Hot Boys, Crooked Lettaz

but you dont even like rap, so....


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And 2 much of the Lord in me 2 enjoy the world...(c) Shai Linne

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>and you forgot Scarface, The Geto Boys, Juvenile, The Hot
>Boys, Crooked Lettaz

ok.. maybe i'll count 'face's "The Diary"

but i ain't forget the resta them.

>but you dont even like rap, so....

this is true too. fuck rap music.


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27!!!!

to hiphop for like 5 years or so.
Illmatic is the beats and rhyme standard of hiphop.

to Nas' nuts.

ease up.

Nation of Millions
Illmatic
The Infamous
Fantastic Voyage Volume One and Two
Paid in Full...
man please lyrics and beats? No one was fucking with Nas.. that's easy to say ten plus years later...
please...anyone who doesn't know this... well...

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but you can't really believe this.

there's no such thing as a hip-hop label that is consistent.

not since the early days of Def Jam.

even Rawkus had it's share of slip-ups in its hey day (High & Mighty, anybody?)

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27!!!!

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El-P occasionally makes something I can get into (very rarely...)

RJD2's greatest song is less than 2 minutes long.

Murs is probably the only dude on the label i can fuck with, and that's got nothin to do with the 9th wonder connection, thank you.

the rest of those cats just make wack music to me.

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27!!!!

lol...i'm just playin...diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks i guess.


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And this gets the co-sign and tangent.

The production on Def Jux releases...

painful.

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Since 2001:
Fantastic Damage
Labor Days
Deadringer
Murs 3:16
Cold Vein
I Phantom
Since We Last Spoke
Hell's Winter
Daylight EP

^all at least 4.5/5 for me

Ravipops
End of the Beginning
Emergency Rations

all had dope shit too.

no label or crew is even clooose to fucking with that for me

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Nas>Rakim

.

.

that BlackStar album really didn't age well.

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27!!!!

young talib and mos are really dope

that album isn't a perfect cover-to-cover classic, but i only skip like 3 tracks

i can't listen to that shit anymore.

and i think we were quite premature in giving "Black On Both Sides" classic status. It's good, but too much skippable material in the middle.

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27!!!!

>> i think we were quite premature in giving "Black On Both
>Sides" classic status. It's good, but too much skippable
>material in the middle.
>
>--me--
>"Hip-hop's biggest problem is that it cant accept criticism."
>-- scorpion

reflection eternal is much better

1) kweli
2) lots of unnecessary songs
3) kweli

ok... maybe kweli didn't deserve 2 slots... he was a bit more tolerable back then. however, i'm sure if i listened to that album right now, i'd leave bump him up to #2.

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27!!!!

back then he was dope

most of RE is quite good, there are few throwaways though

magnified all of the flaws on BOBS.

I can't listen to the later now that I've heard the former.

sounds more like a demo than an album nowadays.

~
<--Graph Nobel

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T-Dot!

1. J Lo can't sing.
2. Janet's breast popping out w/ the nip covered was not THAT big of a deal. SHEESH!
3. Meshell Ndege Ocello is SERIOUSLY underrated cuz folks in the Black community are uncomfortable w/ her sexual preference(bi).
4. Alicia was 'blown up' over India, winning WAY MORE grammys than deserved & ish was a classic case of light-skinned vs. dark-skinned, &
NOT a true reflection of merit & talent, of one, over the other
5. The best days of Hip Hop are in its rear-view mirror.

can name countless women in their "genre bracket" more deserving of their shine... has shit to do with skin color, IMO.

I'ont care 'bout Alicia, but "dem's fightin' words re: India", so go 'head, name these "countless women". In fact, name FIVE. I dare you.

>>can name countless women in their "genre bracket" more
>deserving of their shine... has shit to do with skin color,
>IMO.

get past the self-loving, tree hugging, incredibly non-descript arrangements and guitar playing and you have an average vocalist with enough lyrical depth to make Lenny Kravitz blush...

Jill, Erykah, Teedra, Faith, Carmen Rodgers are ALL better than India or Alicia "Look I Know An F Chord" Keys will EVER be and I *just* named 5...me could go on.

1. Sade
2. Mechelle
3. Nora Jones
4. Abby Lincoln
5. Cassandra Wilson
6. Rachelle Farrelle in no certain order. It's really just a situation of pimped verus unpimped.

I don't think it was a classic case of lightskinned verus darkskinned as much as I think it's pimped versus unpimped. Mechelle is a artist... Alicia is a recording artist with a stylist. A huge difference... you would see Mechelle and love her style.. .but she just rolled out of bed. You would see Alicia and hate her style... yet she took five hours.

More people like Alicia's music than Meshelle's. Its as simple as that. Stop making excuses.

Please... those cute piano recitals on record?
Again Alicia is a recording artist...
Mechelle is an artist...
Alicia is trying to sell records
Mechelle is trying to make art.
Starbucks or Green Tea?

Save the three singles and a few other tracks, the album is mad monotonous.

some of those snares are disgustingly wack too, but that's akin to you bitches complaining about 9th's snare... so i'll refrain from going further.

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27!!!!

He had never heard The Infamous before and he thought the shit was dope....

^^^ true story

Radiohead bows @ the ALTAR of Talking Heads, AS THEY SHOULD.

Not by a huge margin, by Talking Heads are definitely superior.

they R! Hence, my original ?uestion...

>Not by a huge margin, by Talking Heads are definitely
>superior.

Radiohead is a great band, just not as great as the Talking Heads.

Now I would be tested for crack positive if I said something like "OK COmputer>>>>>>>>>>>>Fear of Music." But I'd never think of saying any dumb shit like that.

by a significant, but not an overwhelming margin. I agree with the general thesis of your statement.

:)

*rolls eyes*


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www.myspace.com/flourescentmoustache
www.myspace.com/benjaminsamurai
www.myspace.com/dunntmovement
www.myspace.com/antonmajor

and then we'll talk, k?

Infamous = classic, New York grime

Hell On Earth = Havok came into his own sound. The dark, dramatic violins, the baselines, etc...

Hell on earth is wack as fuck. The rhymes are weak. They make the same songs over and over again. Hell on Earth was nwhat mobb deep is is, a bunch of fake unrealistic thug tales.

Does not deserve an iota of hip hop. Ever.

No one has accomplished more, period.

Even KRS continuously tries to associate himself with Chuck.

followed by KRS, then Thought.

Even if he can't spit off the dome, he speaks the truth.

Even his reports on Rapstation are classic as fuck.

And ANYONE, who denies that Chuck D is top five/three tier, they do not deserve hip hop whatsoever.

Nation of Millions is the GOAT album

Nothing has come close to budging it.

I grew up on that, Fear of A Black Planet and Yo! Bum Rush The Show, since i first ever heard rap.

So when these young'ns with their dipset and 50 got the damn nerve to go "who's chuck d?" or "flavor who?"

I'm sorry but they don't deserve to listen to hip hop until they are educated properly.

by the way, my screenname's lame
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experimentation, and taking risks, yes, but Bruh needed 2 meet commercial success w/ this one, so he gets no complaints from me. They are both solid efforts, that achieve different results, is all.

>experimentation, and taking risks, yes, but Bruh needed 2
>meet commercial success w/ this one, so he gets no complaints
>from me. They are both solid efforts, that achieve different
>results, is all.

and i can't say i blame him.
if he had done another EC instead, his career would be most likely be over

and yeah, Be is solid, but not much else
Electric Circus works on so many levels tho, and is easily one of his best albums (it's my personal favorite, but people will argue for LWFC & Resurrection till the death)

by the way, my screenname's lame
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a LWFC person, myself. :)

>>experimentation, and taking risks, yes, but Bruh needed 2
>>meet commercial success w/ this one, so he gets no
>complaints
>>from me. They are both solid efforts, that achieve different
>>results, is all.
>
>and i can't say i blame him.
>if he had done another EC instead, his career would be most
>likely be over
>
>and yeah, Be is solid, but not much else
>Electric Circus works on so many levels tho, and is easily one
>of his best albums (it's my personal favorite, but people will
>argue for LWFC & Resurrection till the death)

everything on that album is amazing except for "The Questions," "A Film Called (Pimp)" & "Payback Is A Grandmother"

by the way, my screenname's lame
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even better than resurrection...even though resurrection is a better "rap album"...


get me?

n/m

Alive or dead.

have listened to Disc 2 of "All Eyez On Me"

and of those 5,000, 4,500 of them are white.

--me--
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27!!!!

>have listened to Disc 2 of "All Eyez On Me"
>
>and of those 5,000, 4,500 of them are white.
>
:7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7

« trifling ass nigga »

past "Dear Mama"

4,500 of them are white.

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27!!!!

2Pacalypse Now is probably one of my top ten to fifteen all-time favorite albums, followed by Strictly For My N****z. Pac was lyrically at his most intelligent and thoughtful of humanity at this stage in his career. In fact, he brought political fire on 2Pacalypse. What's most ironic about Pac is how Dan Quayle tried to get his work banned after putting out a political album but as soon as he went gangster and started selling records for the establishment, the movement to end 2Pac's music disappeared at the gov't level. Interesting, no?

I remember back in '91 when that shit came out and nobody really knew who the fuck he was. White folks would be like "who listenin' to?" I would respond, "Tupac Shakur" and they would be like "TupACK, what the hell kind of stupid shit is that." Now look at these slobbering freaks.

That putting-out-400-beats-a-week formula ain't the move.

Okayplayer is the first place I've been to where cats get judged by their beat tapes, most of which will never see the light in a proper release.

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Nas>Rakim

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Nas>Rakim

YEP!!

And i certainly hope he's at least part owner of stone's throw, cuz if not he's a hiphop sweatshop worker

n/m

n/m

he never got his shot though

ain't noway Chill Rob would be doing multi-sylabic rhymes , with the flow discipline, if it wasn't for Rakim...4 years his predecessor.

I won't go as far as saying he's greater than KRS or Rakim.

However, the song "Ride the Rhythm" is better than any individual song recorded ever by both Rakim or KRS.

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Nas>Rakim

And you think Nas is better?

Please.

Which is your native language?

http://www.fatbeats.com/FatBeatsRadio.mp3

even if I don't agree with it.

And Nas is better than Rakim.

______________________________
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Nas>Rakim

But, I'm sorry, Nas isn't better than Rakim.

However, since this in an argument people have all the time around here, I'll forgo rehashing it and just say we'll agree to disagree.

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Nas>Rakim

I'm old enough to disagree with someone with insulting them in same form or fashion.

If you want, I could say your mother wear's combat boots or that Madlib has a fucked-up haircut. Would that be closer to maintaining the status quo around here?

Edit: Wait, I just saw you insulted Run-DMC. Hmm, all bets may be off here...

whether you like them or not.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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I got 2 much of the world in me 2 enjoy the Lord...
And 2 much of the Lord in me 2 enjoy the world...(c) Shai Linne

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Enemy
bull
Public
shit....

Do the Soul Train scramble to that...

The Surreal Life....

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And 2 much of the Lord in me 2 enjoy the world...(c) Shai Linne

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nm

Outkast have yet to do so

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I don't care what anyone else says. Jesus could tell me otherwise, and I wouldn't listen.

He jumped on Kanye's sack. Com didn't pay him no mind until he was hitting. They battled/freestyled once, and Common wouldn't cop one track from him.

Kanye blew up, and now Common's tellin everyone they're best buds.

Com went to NY to join the veggie crew, and ran back to Chi to join in the fun. His journey into pretentious "artistry" was thwarted, and one of the most respected lyricists started appearing in Kanye videos as a stand in, wearing monkey suits, dressed up as security gaurds.

Besides 2 Jaydee tracks, Soulquarians couldn't get a damn rimshot on "Be".

He knew everyone was praising his Resurrection days, so when all else failed, he ran back to that formual. "Guess what everyone! I'm back!".

Good album, but Kanye stole the show. Common became 2nd banana.

>I don't care what anyone else says. Jesus could tell me
>otherwise, and I wouldn't listen.
>
>He jumped on Kanye's sack. Com didn't pay him no mind until he
>was hitting. They battled/freestyled once, and Common
>wouldn't cop one track from him.
>
>Kanye blew up, and now Common's tellin everyone they're best
>buds.

Oh, artist worked with a hot producer...that's never been done before. Plus, I'd venture and say Kanye is "tellin everyone they're best buds" in equal fashion. Basically, its a two-way deal.

>
>Com went to NY to join the veggie crew, and ran back to Chi to
>join in the fun.

Ummm, he went to NY to work with other like-minded artists. Maybe you'd like him to still be in Chi putting out CDRs like Juice? Besides, he repped Chi even when he wasn't working with Chi producers. This is like saying jayz sold out ny by working with non-ny producers/artists?

His journey into pretentious "artistry" was
>thwarted, and one of the most respected lyricists started
>appearing in Kanye videos as a stand in, wearing monkey suits,
>dressed up as security gaurds.

ehhh, this is just opinion.

>
>Besides 2 Jaydee tracks, Soulquarians couldn't get a damn
>rimshot on "Be".

So? Name another rappper who's been obligated to use one producer their whole career? Please don't say Guru or CL Smooth or some shit...

>
>He knew everyone was praising his Resurrection days, so when
>all else failed, he ran back to that formual. "Guess what
>everyone! I'm back!".

But is the album dope or not? Also, Be is really not like Resurrection at all. It's closer to LWFC than anything. You critique here is kinda formulaic.
>
>Good album, but Kanye stole the show. Common became 2nd
>banana.

Stole the show with his beats? You think they overshadowed Common?

this *is* hip hop where loyalty and attention spans are not a prerequisite. His partership with commercial hip hop's golden child was all too contrived and more obvious than not. Be is a cool album but its an album he *had* to make.

He's made it clear that in the battle of commercial viability vs artistic integrity what he'd choose. You also can't respect someone who, artistically, doesn't stand by their own and makes a concentrated effort to distance themselves from themselves and their output just 3 short years ago. The muhfukka act like he *didn't* make the shit...

>this *is* hip hop where loyalty and attention spans are not a
>prerequisite. His partership with commercial hip hop's
>golden child was all too contrived and more obvious than not.

Is it a good album or not? All that other "his relationship with his producer is contrived" talk means nothing. Are you listening to albums or writing for the enquirer? On the real, Be is far less "contrived" or a "reach" than EC. This is just hating on Kanye by proxy....

>Be is a cool album but its an album he *had* to make.

So?

>
>He's made it clear that in the battle of commercial viability
>vs artistic integrity what he'd choose.

Be is commercial?

You also can't respect
>someone who, artistically, doesn't stand by their own and
>makes a concentrated effort to distance themselves from
>themselves and their output just 3 short years ago. The
>muhfukka act like he *didn't* make the shit...

This is some access hollywood, extra bs. Did you like the album or not? That's the only question. Answer it (positively or negatively) and KIM.

you are demanding a good/bad answer from others when you have YET to state whether you feel the album was good or not but rather refute any criticism over the album (See post titled "WRONG" for fucks sake...lol!)

Be is a "solid" album. I haven't changed that opinion since the date of its release. I do *however* question Com's credibility as an artist and Be is the most recent culmination of it. Will I say it? Hell, the fuck yeah. There are artists who are hella impressionable and need people to think for them creatively and there are those secure in their art and stand by it as testaments of where they were at the time, good, bad or indifferent. Com is the former.

****If Electric Circus had BLOWN UP, Com would not have the disdain for his own work as he has expressed.***

He's touted "Be" as him being truly himself but that tends to change based on what others think of what or who he's being at the time. I gives a damn who agrees. Ain't the point playa...

>you are demanding a good/bad answer from others when you have
>YET to state whether you feel the album was good or not but
>rather refute any criticism over the album (See post titled
>"WRONG" for fucks sake...lol!)

I think it's a very good album. One of the best hip hop releases this year. Also, none of you have criticized the albums, just his motivations behind it. The only question should be whether the music is good, not if him and Kanye were ever the best of friends...

>
>Be is a "solid" album. I haven't changed that opinion since
>the date of its release. I do *however* question Com's
>credibility as an artist and Be is the most recent culmination
>of it. Will I say it? Hell, the fuck yeah. There are artists
>who are hella impressionable and need people to think for them
>creatively and there are those secure in their art and stand
>by it as testaments of where they were at the time, good, bad
>or indifferent. Com is the former.

This is just some pyschobable. Do you know him? All you can say without guessing is that each album he put out what he was feeling at the time. Christ, you cats act like he did a "paint by numbers" commercial album.
>
>****If Electric Circus had BLOWN UP, Com would not have the
>disdain for his own work as he has expressed.***

You don't know that. Besides, none of his albums have ever BLOWN UP, did he express disdain for them? You cats act like no artist has ever criticized their own work...

>He's touted "Be" as him being truly himself but that tends to
>change based on what others think of what or who he's being at
>the time. I gives a damn who agrees. Ain't the point
>playa...

I disagree, listen to lyrics rather than beats and tell me he's different content wise from EC to Be...I don't think you can...

i really mean it

by the way, my screenname's lame
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their music is ok

but those dudes are mad funny, the NEEEEEED a fucking reality show

seriously, it would be the best reality ever, and i fucking HATE reality shows

I'm talking skills, not choice of subject matter.

Both are extremely undisciplined lyricists, floss, are blantantly ignorant and lack any hint of substance a majority of the time.

Actually, I'll go as far as to say Dipset were BETTER lyricists, and I don't even like them that much.

They were both just...brainless.

Do I consider it "the most influential piece of hip-hop artistry in the 90's" like other people do>

Hells no.

Personally, I think Puffy's promotion machine keeps Biggie in people's skulls because Biggie's legacy = Puff's industry oxygen. Dude had 2 albums...2 albums. Even if BOTH albums were classic (neither were, but I'll GRANT the first album "classic" status just for the impact it had on people), it was still only 2 albums.

Hardly an "era".

Biggie is the hip-hop Jim Morrison. Meager talent, with a legacy.

has nothing do with Puffy

lol no offense.

Biggie's legacy still gets love.

What he's done...his "legend".

Besides a handful of classic mixtape gems, I'm sure 90% of NY's praising the dude haven't broke out his album in over 3 years.

from his hitop fade to his blatant jacking of everyone else's style.

Pete Nice was EXTREMELY lyrical, and had a style that was 110% his own.

Paul C changed the face of hip-hop production, and is one of the ROOTS of pure, New York boom bap: Large Pro, Pete Rock, Primo, D.I.T.C., Beatminerz, etc...

Rick Rubin (see Paul C)

Everlast would get a shitload of more props if he wasn't a White dude. He's reinvented himself so many times, it's ridiculous. Him and Pete Nice both weren't charactures.

but he can't fucking rap.

his choice in emcee's.

Let me put it this way, and it might sound contradictory.

He gets props for making wack emcees sound better, but that's no excuse for the emcees he chooses to work with.

Truck Turner was wack as shit.

is his weak point.

Take the top 5 hip-hop albums of ALL TIME.

PE got 2 slots in there.

n/m

is the best De La Soul album.

are delusional.

that album is second to "Bionix" as their worst effort.

I can't even make it through that album.

--me--
"Hip-hop's biggest problem is that it cant accept criticism." -- scorpion

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27!!!!

Historical signifance aside, I like their sound on 'Buhloone' and 'Stakes' a lot more than '3ft.' and 'Dead'.

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Nas>Rakim

Stakes > Buhloone > 3 Feet > Dead

thank you.

.

like 5 completely diff. versions of every song.

He mastered the art of the 12" single.

and didn't need 5 remixes of the same song to do it.

--me--
"Hip-hop's biggest problem is that it cant accept criticism." -- scorpion

http://www.onesoulfulnegro.com/
http://www.barelybreakingeven.com/

27!!!!

n/m

than you ever will.

--me--
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http://www.barelybreakingeven.com/

27!!!!

nuffin

Besides, arguing his chick intake is mild homo-level fanboy lol

hes no mortal man

It's diamond (10 mil sold), and I'm still listening to it.
*dodging rotten fruit*

--me--
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27!!!!

thriller was truly on some new shit

that nigga had a 20 minute music video...who the fuck does that?

see the parallels?

So yeah he changed the game.

ur a fucking lame

lame X 2 if ur a moderator

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outside of this computer.

the other people i argue with are just fucking idiots who need to know that they are fucking idiots.

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27!!!!

dudes like Supastition Elzhi Saigon Brother Ali rap circles around and shit on basically everyone ever besides a few, they make people like Prodigy Guru Buckshot Jeru who are considered to have classics seem like they can't even rap

Kanye won. Who did Ether? Trackmasters? Waaack.

Ron Brown or something like that

after 1988.

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27!!!!

"Raising Hell" >>>>>>>>> Most hip-hop albums.

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Nas>Rakim

it's hard to listen to most of that stuff now

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27!!!!

period

RUN DMC is hall of fame material! Even if you don't like their old stuff, just listen to Down with the King and listen to how they came strong on that comeback. I still rock Tricky, Mary Mary, Walk This Way, Run's House, Tougher than Leather, Its Like That, etc. Some people should have their hip hop passes revoked. These guys brought hip-hop to a level it would never have reached without them. If it wasn't for them we'd be listening to two generations of Beastie Boys knockoffs and nobody would be happy with that.

>Some people should have their hip hop
>passes revoked.

you can have it. it's been dead to me for awhile.

--me--
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27!!!!

extremely fun and entertaining. not much more.


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no one cares about dwayne wiggins
raphael saadiq hasnt made music on par with house of music since that album

...

everyone says he sucks now when Em 96-99 is one of the best ever if not the best multisyllable battle type rapper ever

:) jk

I just dont understand the love for this guy

an entire subgenre of music of people copying him with the jerky slightly offbeat kicks on 1 and 3 and snares with claps layered over them, theres thousands of producers trying to imitate that sound now, so I would have to disagree

they don't matter either.

.

2 albums.
No breath control.
Gave every chickenhead he slept with a deal.
I was sooo mad to see a tribute to him on VH1 Hip Hop Honors.

but i gotta admit...i'm feeling that ying-yang/daddy yankee

checkin for it.

Besides, the only reason it's bangin now is 'cause cats are just tryin to get the latinas dancing in the club lol

>

LL is the most diverse rapper ever
Kanye will be held in higher regard than any other producer outside of Dre
Just Blaze is the game's best producer
9th you really need to change up your snare
Beyonce aint badder than the baddest chick from around the way
BDK never gets the respect he is due
Black Thought is the modern day Rakim
Com is a flake but his fans will never turn on him
Sugababy and Fire put alot of male Lessonheads to shame
Outkast took the Tribe mold and perfected it

and then tell him how good his manager tastes.

peace,
-ram

If given permission.

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the roots will be looked at as the most important hip-hop group ever

not even close.

shit is borderline boring at times.


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definitely not in a top 10 ... not top 20 either

he was good at first, but then he got carried away and started rapping just to spit big words and countless bars about nothing...

if you listen, he never gets to a point... he likes to spit a lot bullshit rhymes to make it seem like he is lyrical..
tell him to rap about fighting someone and he will start rapping about turning into some chemical equation, fly into outer space and come back with subatomic power, having 360 visual etc...

If you research alot of the stuff that he says you'll appreciate him much more. Half of the shit he said on Rip the Jacker I didnt understand until I actually looked it up and now I appreciate it so much more.

>he was good at first, but then he got carried away and
>started rapping just to spit big words and countless bars
>about nothing...
>
>if you listen, he never gets to a point... he likes to spit a
>lot bullshit rhymes to make it seem like he is lyrical..
>tell him to rap about fighting someone and he will start
>rapping about turning into some chemical equation, fly into
>outer space and come back with subatomic power, having 360
>visual etc...

*ducks*

"My duration's infinite, moneywise or physiology / Poetry, that's a part of me, retardedly bop /
I drop the ancient manifested hip-hop, straight off the block" - Nas

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Prefuse is no where near as versatile, and he's 10x as arrogant.......name 3 classic Prefuse tracks??

Jay Dee:
1. Find A Way
2. Player
3. Stakes Is High
.....
I could go on....

>Prefuse is no where near as versatile, and he's 10x as
>arrogant.......name 3 classic Prefuse tracks??

I could accept any other argument.. but this is ridiculous...

Prefuse ranges from hiphop, electronica, IDM, breakbeat etc... and your telling me Jay Dee is more fucking versatile???!?!ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

Prefuse works with different types of artists... from Aesop Rock, Diverse, Ghostface to people like Cafe Tacuba, The Books etc....

who does Jay Dee make music with besides the concious circle of hip hop? fuck that.. any non hip hop artists???


sorry but either you don't know what versatility is or you don't know shit about Prefuse and you are just talking bullshit...

>Prefuse ranges from hiphop, electronica, IDM, breakbeat etc...
>and your telling me Jay Dee is more fucking
>versatile???!?!ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

Dude.

The fact that your argument includes the words "electronica" and "IDM" is evidence that your ideas of quality are in context of bullshit self indulgent critics.

Jay Dee is worshipped and emulated by musicians of all sorts, not to mention pioneers of real musical movements--not Pitchfork-defined subgenres.

Nothing against Prefuse 73, but he ain't Dilla.

http://www.fatbeats.com/FatBeatsRadio.mp3

>The fact that your argument includes the words "electronica"
>and "IDM" is evidence that your ideas of quality are in
>context of bullshit self indulgent critics.

excuse me for naming sub-genres... fact is Dilla doesn't have the range Prefuse has....


>Jay Dee is worshipped and emulated by musicians of all sorts,
>not to mention pioneers of real musical movements--not
>Pitchfork-defined subgenres.

how does this explain to me how he is better than Prefuse?

your bias is shown all over this comment....

>Prefuse ranges from hiphop, electronica, IDM, breakbeat etc...
>and your telling me Jay Dee is more fucking
>versatile???!?!ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

It's not what U do homie it's how well

>Prefuse works with different types of artists... from Aesop
>Rock, Diverse, Ghostface to people like Cafe Tacuba, The Books
>etc....
>
>who does Jay Dee make music with besides the concious circle
>of hip hop? fuck that.. any non hip hop artists???

Dilla works with better artists than any of the ones U just mentioned (bar Ghostface). And Off the top he's worked with Daft Punk, Spacek and Poe. FYI none of them are hip hop or labelled conscious. U probably haven't heard much of Dilla's catalogue so I'll be easy on U.

>sorry but either you don't know what versatility is or you
>don't know shit about Prefuse and you are just talking
>bullshit...

sorry but either you don't know what versatility is or you
don't know shit about Dilla and you are just talking
bullshit...


"My duration's infinite, moneywise or physiology / Poetry, that's a part of me, retardedly bop /
I drop the ancient manifested hip-hop, straight off the block" - Nas

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>who does Jay Dee make music with besides the concious circle
>of hip hop? fuck that.. any non hip hop artists???

i'm a Prefuse fan and i agree he doesn't get the credit he deserves on the lesson, even though all the clownin is due to his own arrogance. and i agree with you he's versatile, but you'd have to be a fan to know about his different projects.

however, you obviously ain't that familiar with dilla. he's always gonna be that guy that's linked to the whole soulquarian movement. but as far as hip hop beats, he's real versatile. and he's produced for (neo) soul and rnb artists if you're talkin genres.

>however, you obviously ain't that familiar with dilla. he's
>always gonna be that guy that's linked to the whole
>soulquarian movement.

besides almost all soulquarian.. I have heard his work with De La, Tribe, Busta Rhymes, Slum Village, Q-Tip, Stonesthrow, Pharcyde, Welcome 2 Detroit and many of those beat tapes etc...

are you going to tell me that hip hop isn't the majority of his work?

>but as far as hip hop beats, he's real
>versatile. and he's produced for (neo) soul and rnb artists if
>you're talkin genres.

exactly where have I denied Jay Dee's versatility?

neo soul/rnb doesn't mean much since hip hop uses soul samples......

>Prefuse ranges from hiphop, electronica, IDM, breakbeat etc...

WOW! What range! Its funny though....because it all sounds the same! Dilla may stick 95% to hiphop, but he has come up with some incredibly inventive stuff that has been copycated like crazy. Ask Kanye or the Neptunes who has influenced them the most....in fact, all your favourite producers will all claim that Dilla's sound has had some influence on them at one time or another...

And Prefuse can't tear a sample like Dilla, but make it sound so effortlessly smooth.

>Prefuse works with different types of artists... from Aesop
>Rock, Diverse, Ghostface to people like Cafe Tacuba, The Books
>etc....

Woooo....those are some crazy different artists!!! Dilla has worked with De La, Spacek, Dwele, Busta, Toshi Kubota, Badu, N'Dea Davenport....just about as "different" if you ask me.


>who does Jay Dee make music with besides the concious circle
>of hip hop? fuck that.. any non hip hop artists???

See above


>sorry but either you don't know what versatility is or you
>don't know shit about Prefuse and you are just talking
>bullshit...

Ummm....sorry, but either you don't know your hip hop history, or you are a newby fanboy to the electronica scene and that's why Prefuse has you cummin in your pants. Now I'm not saying that Prefuse isn't original and damn clever with what he's done....but come on man?! Dilla has done things that peeps never thought possible...he basically created a sub-genre of music. Dilla can duplicate any sound.

And if 3 is too hard for you, name 2 Prefuse classics...

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even you dont believe that bull shit.

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its great when company comes over but nothing i want to bump in the whip or headphones

unless im tired and insomnia has set in

Boots Riley is the most underrated emcee ever

ahead of any other producer, old or current, talent wise.

Cody ChesnuTT is the truth of rock and soul music today.

Kanye is way overrated
lip syncing is not the same as performing on stage
hiphop as we know it is dead...like everything else, it is a corporate takeover
The minstrel show sucks...by the by, the sales are even worse
Mc Hammer was dope...shame we all deny it now
Most of us are closet Justin fans...won't be caught dead playing it loud though
By the by...Timberlake is better than usher...way better
Its not fair D'angelo got lifetime pass with just 2 albums
Phife got shitted on too much...Tip is still better
Madonna is way overated....she has managed to steal money for 20 years
Hollaback girl is the most overated song of 2005
95% of the rap world should have studied Big Daddy kane's live 101
'Be' was overated....
Common will not go Platinum
Its not fair Pete Rock got a lifetime pass from TROY....
Questo is underated as a producer...
so is Poyser...
so is Dilla...
by the by...Electric circus will be dusted off in ten years and used in Rap 101 as a classic in music
Michael Jackson is the greatest performer/entertainer ever.....after James Brown....Richard pryor...and Sammy Davis
Machine Gun is the greatest song ever played live....
Jigga is overated...
His ability to make up music on the go is underated
There will never be a new D'angelo album...
Guru was/is overated...
Kanye sucks....his production sucks....and years from now..he will be another jermaine Dupri..umm..that isn't a bad career come to think of it..
Fly or Die is the best rock album since Ok Computer...
Radiohead is the greatest rock band ever....
the beatles are overated....great..innovative...but overated
Elvis is the most overated personality ever
Every black comedian needs to send 10% of their check to Richard pryor..
20% to Eddie Murphy...
Eddie Murphy is way underated....he is in the top 5 earners and box office draws ever....black/white/or chipmunks
Jamie Foxx is overated.....there should be a three great perfomance rule for the Oscars...
Slum Village is the best rap album this year...
Late registration is overated....so was college dropout...so is Kanye's Career
Ghost is underated...
Dipset is overated....
Michael Jordan was/is overated
Def Jam overated Jigga's penchant for business....
50's is underated....
Roy Jones is the greatest fighter of my generation...
Roy Jones is done more than a thanksgiving turkey....
there are too many award shows...
there are too many reality shows...
'the wire' is the best drama on hiatus on tv
'curb your enthusiasm' is funnier than chappele show
'chappelle show' was the second funniest thing on tv..
Dave is crazy...
Lauryn is crazy...
Michael is crazy...
R kelly is crazy...
james brown is crazy...
D'angelo is crazy...
George Clinton is crazy...
dash is crazy...
Chris Tucker is crazy...
kanye is crazy...
Tom cruise is crazy...
Tyson is crazy..
Jim Brown still looks mean...

do people know that?

that i am gonna have a game changing album soon

and wack by it's own definition
it's just a scam for money,

The Rolling Stones are mince
Ella Fitzgerald has a dullness in her voice
no one, in any genre, is remotely seeing the classical composers, on any level
everyone in a music video looks like a prat
the field of poetry is 70% bullshit
ONE song has ONE "lyric", SINGULAR. NOT "lyrics"
America is relatively weak when it comes to rock bands
Voodoo Chile doesn't really sound particularly good
great melody is the only quality not readily available/replacable to music companies.
2.5 years is far too fucking long between albums
most guitar solos sound pretty bad. or not that good.
last 8 years have been incredibly barren for great songs
some of the okp moderators are wack mofos

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the one that started it all, in particular

The Coup is mad slept on!

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and so does dead prez.

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27!!!!

makes you feel clever. As for me, I'll keep being in denial, thank you very much.

One thing, though: the fact that you mention Dead Prez along with the Coup tells me you're one of those people who can't separate form and content when they judge art. In other words, the Coup have a political agenda you disagree with, hence they must suck. Not a very smart outlook in my opinion, but that's just my opinion.

You should get an honarable mention in the "slightly retarded" post. How are you going to judge something and give no other reason than "SUCK"? What are you 12? Grow up, you spoilt brat of a rich kid.

SITKOL is too long.

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is found in the House section at your local record store.

are better than 95% of the Southern rappers putting out music today.

Rakim's return, if it ever happens, will disappoint everyone.

jill scott, common, the whole neo-neo-soul movement, lots of so-called "positive rappers," 90% of all spokenword poets... the list goes on.

i ain't even saying they're wack, or that they've never BEEN deep. i'm just saying it's fashionable these days to say nothing and then try to convince people that you're deep. a lot of fragmentary, meaningless, pretentious, cliche, pseudopolitical nonsense in rhyme form will win you a lot of poetry slams... and a lot of boho fans.

"fuck bush, i'll start the revolution/ my third eye is open, scopin' for the solution/ the revolution will not be televised/ it's all propaganda we're buyin' they're sellin' lies.../ etc. etc."

only a few acts seem to be putting much thought into their political material-- saigon, the coup, kanye even... it's crazy.

he might get the props he deserves

But if I were doing a solo album right now, I'd want him on it.

Hell, it =s good the way it sounds coming out of some of your mouths.

To believe.

Something only a few are up on, and most are from Chi-Twon.

Now I gotta go and dig up that cassette.

Del the Funkee Homosapien is the most consistent rapper to date.

Azeem is the tightest rapper out today...period

Black Sheep - A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing is the greatest rap album to date.

Madlib & Count Bass D's music is ahead of it's time.

Kamaal the Abstract - Abstractionism should be released.

Michael Franti shouldn't be allowed to write folk songs or play the guitar.

DJ Neil Armstrong is the All Out King of mixtapes.

Stones Throw Records is THE label of today.

and start listening to what the man has to say
it's actually charming

O-VER-RA-TED!!!!!

clap, clap
clap, clap, clap

They did it in Bob's day, too.

One is the greatest song-writer of all-time with a storied carrying spanning over 40 years, the other is a dork with a band-aid on his face. Does not compute.

Bob Dylan changed the way pop music was recorded. For the better. Get annoyed with his voice all you want, but the man has serios skill. And he still records good music over 40 years after entering the game. I can't think of another artist recording now that does that.

I'm not hating on him 'cause of his voice, I think he's the most overrated song-writer/artist/whatever the fuck else he gets credit for EVER.

in a row with the based loaded, three runs down, with two outs.

I don't even know where to begin here.

And by everyone, that would include you.

it's not a valid point to bring up in an arguement
if we all cared about sales we'd be on the mtv boards

I can name at least 20 bonafide classics off the top of my head that haven't gone gold to this day.

......and Be is oveerrated

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Roger Troutman.

And "Hey Ya" is living proof that the right amount of payola will make the public at large (including neo-soul hippie turds like the ones that populate this website) like ANY piece of shit record.

Examples:

Common moves to NY and goes gold w/ LWFC.

Kanye moves to NY to produce for the Roc, then drops Dropout.

Tung Twista puts a reggae-twinged debut album out that gets shitted on, and doesn't get recognition until he comes back on a cameo verse that gets memorized word-for-word via mixtapes down south months before the video's on television.

Shawwna puts an album out on a major label as one half of Infamous Syndicate, it goes nowhere, she relocates to ATL and drops the hook on a Luda single and is crowned the "Queen of Chicago" out of nowhere. Her more talented partner, on the other hand, is still hosting a weekend mixshow on 'GCI. And she grew up filthy fucking rich, too. Don't let Buddy's records about bein' broke and havin' the blues fool you.

Brat's biggest success was experienced when JD had people still thinkin' she was from Atlanta. In fact, she didn't even mention anything about being from Chicago until Common had established the city's first traces of credibility within the industry.

Crucial Conflict went gold on the strength of sounding like a more country version of Bone when Bone was at the height of it's popularity.

Super Bowl Shuffle is still the biggest selling rap single that's ever been released out of Chicago.

Until then, shut the fuck up.

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"everybody gets hated on. a nigga on this board hated on me because I hated him for hatin!" - Darryl Reeves

Was in denial about.

Pretentiousness sucks.

Hip hop is not dead, because it was never alive.

People are bigger than music.

"Racism" and "prejudice" are closely related to the word "genre".

Fanaticism is a disease of the mind.

Music is music.

Positive (conscious) music makes people chringe because the world is ugly.

Negative (commercial) music makes people forget that the world is ugly.

Life is somewhere in between the positive and the negative.

Judgementalism is a result of both the extremes of positive and negative music.

Most okayplayers are not interested in developing good conversations about music, and are not considerate of other people's opinions.

cosign all of that

in terms of technical skill and range of emotion expressed. ESPECIALLY compared to every other form of black music.

I haven't been able to listen to a roots album all the wya thru since dym???? Something about black thoughts flow is kinda annoying (kinda like stephen a smith is when he's yelling)

If emenim wasn't white, he'd be on tour with canibus and afu-ra as the opening act

El-P gots no rhythm, and his beats are hilarious as a result

Duke Ellington and Billy Strayhorn my be the best songwriting duo EVER

No hiphop artist is harder than any delta blues artist.

PE is the GOAT group and outkast is a close second


NY hiphop is sad and pathetic and has been since puffy

both biggie and tupac are cash cows...nothing more, nothing less

Kanye is dope. Cats is just mad cuz he blew up doin something simple. Whie other producers are worrying about which snare and how to infintely chop samples....buddy just chose soulful sample over somebody's already chosen drum. K.I.S.S.

the 808 is the greatest drum machine ever.

MPC's are way overrated.
Talib Kweli is nice as hell on the mic

Which was a sixteen track collection of musical douche.

"Electric Circus" still sucks.