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175220, Everything you typed is your opinion
Posted by Anonymous, Fri Feb-14-14 03:59 PM
>That whole Oddisee segment up there^^^ is mindboggling to me.
>I totally understand the subjective nature of these
>discussions due to personal preference and all; but to say
>that Oddisee is the greatest producer/MC of all time...in the
>ENTIRE history of hip-hop all time???

Never said he was the greatest of all-time. Get yur research right before you post.

Even if you just pair it
>down to a RZA vs. Oddisee debate, like, seriously? Because
>Oddisee stays in pocket on beat more? That trumps the
>advantage RZA has in the showmanship, energy, emotion, wisdom,
>vocal dynamics, etc. departments?
>

Showmanship? Really? Lol

>RZA can go from battle rap to confrontational to reflective to
>motivational to misogynist to lover. Love Jones to Domestic
>Violence. Must Be Bobby to Be a Man. It's Yourz and Duck
>Season to A Better Tomorrow and Impossible. Dangerous Minds to
>Twelve Jewelz. I Can't Go to Sleep to Grits. And he provides
>the necessary variation in his delivery based upon the subject
>matter 'cause that's what a performer is supposed to do. RZA
>raps from a place of authority, experience,
>book/street/business/self/spiritual knowledge and so on, and
>it gives his music life, and depth. When someone can take on a
>persona for an entire project and make engaging music as that
>character, that shows range. And when someone can effectively
>make songs rooted in indulging in one's base desires as well
>as seeking to master one's self I care to know about their
>journey and how they reached that point.
>

Just because you go from one thing to the next doesn't mean you're good though. This is where people become ignorant. You can write a wack rhyme for everyone of those styles and still claim you're one the greatest because you covered the land by your theory. That simply isn't true. You're only as good as your skill set period.

>Comparing these two is like contrasting a super hero against
>their mild-mannered daily persona counterpart. Oddisee is good
>to great at what he does, and he consistently releases solid
>product. But I feel very little when I listen to it. And while
>RZA brims with style, Oddisee comes off mad regular. Making
>everyman music and embodying that is cool. But his
>story/persona isn't compelling to me. And while his beats are
>solid, much of his output sounds sterile to my ear. So while
>RZA might not demonstrate as great a focus on the technical
>aspects of rapping and production, when I hear those Glaciers
>of Ice, Ice Cream, 4th Chamber beats or hear him shouting
>Bring the motherfucking ruckus, or Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing
>to fuck with, it shakes something within me. Those off kilter
>elements that RZA would throw into those beats gave them
>character and soul. And I don't care if all he did was loop a
>couple of bars of Al Green on 260, it works! It suites the
>rappers performing on it. And that matters more to me than the
>degree of difficulty of the sample chopped, or the drums
>programmed.

You said "to me" and "in my opinion" throughout tbe entire paragraph so I won't respond. That's cool if that's how you feel. I don't argue opinions. But to act like the technical aspect isn't real is ignorant.