>not what i said. my critique is that it's too fucking clean.
>clean being the imperative word. its a sound aesthetic which
>just doesn't sit well in my ears while someone's trying to
>spit for their life.

about other rap albums sounding too clean, too glossy - i don't think this one does at all...i think most of the production complements him perfectly

>fuck people that say this. fuck em fuck em fuck em >we still cool]
>
>it's the most backhanded bullshit out there. i fucking can't
>stand it. because guess what happens when you get a live
>player on a hip-hop track... they play the same shit that
>repeats over and over, except a couple flourishes that say
>'hey i'm really playing this guys, not a sample!!'

Lol - I didn't say it's superior, or takes some massive amount of musical talent - personally, i love just the sound of samples and programmed stuff with live instruments together, and yes i realize they play the same stuff repeatedly, but it gives it some more life and more variety to me.

>but even more the 'more musical' you're referring to is
>denying the primary instrument of the song which should always
>be the focus - the lyrics. it's not just fucking talking. when
>cats is spitting true, they are doing so with musicality which
>is meant to be the focus. before the content even. that's why
>i say i'm so tired of motherfuckers rocking the same flows.
>it's the equivlent to everyone using the same chords. shit's
>boring.
>
>but now we get lupe who at least pushes those flows with a
>technicality that warrants attention but it's all dressed up
>with this shiny happy people shit that makes it feel like it's
>more than it needs to be. you like that part as music, to me
>it's just distraction.

whose to say the lyrics need to be the 'primary focus'? to me, the full package, crafting a cohesive song, the whole being greater than the sum of its parts - that is the focus - not just one element (lyrics). if you think the production on stuff like TRON/deliver/chopper/etc is "shiny happy people shit" i dunno what to tell you, those beats are hard as fuck to me. i guess i listen to rap in sort of a double edged sword way - i mostly want to listen to rappers that are saying something and rapping amazing, but first and foremost want it to sound great even if i'm not paying attention to what they're saying at all

>so apparently it's not the primo beats that
>bore you, it's rapping in general which is i guess why you go
>to the instrumentals rather than the vocal versions.

nope, i can name plenty of rappers i still enjoy listening to who could hold my attention for 4 minutes over a primo beat, but Primo mostly doesnt work with any of them. (also, i thought I read they are releasing PRhyme instrumentals?)

>i wish they would stop. at least not for rapper albums.
>producers want to go all out and get rappers as features fine,
>because in those cases the production is the spotlight. but i
>want rappers going in on shit that compliments them not
>desparately tries to outshine them.

Agree to disagree - i don't feel like the production on this album is the spotlight at all, it's just really good (IMO)