>>now these alternative versions not only had the curse words
>>removed...but they had the lyrics changed that changed the
>>entire premise of the songs....The one I specificlly
>remember
>>was Dope man...where parts of the chorus where changed to
>say
>>DON'T BE the Dopeman.... The whole idea of the so-called
>>gangster rap being an exposse of the bad part of life...a
>>deterant so to speak wasn't just an intangible concept...the
>>songs were changed to have lyrics that EXPLICITLY were
>>deterants....DON'T be the dopeman....DON'T smoke weed...
>DON'T
>>kill people...
>
>That def wasn't Niggaz4Life NWA I remember. They may have
>started positive, but let's not kid ourselves at NWA not being
>the poster child for nihilistic hip-hop, a choice they made on
>their own.

I'm talking KDAY Easy E and NWA doing shows at Skateland or at Elks lodges and the like...

and I'm not saying they were necessarily positive ..what I'm saying is that the songs that got on the radio for them were not only edited for the curse words...but entire premise of songs were changed because they couldn't have gotten on the radio unless they did that.



>
>Id argue the opposite; they made those changes to get ON the
>radio...when they realized they didn't have to get on the
>radio, and were more popular when they went full retard....

they were more popular because more people heard them. I mean people who are my age who grew up in the LA area listening to KDAY ...who remember KDAY BEFORE they became a strictly hip hop station know what I'm talking about...

you bought the 12 inches of the songs...you bought Easy E's first album on cassette...that was the same NWA that made 4life 100 miles all that....they didn't change anything....but if you listen to the radio edits for their early singles....it was more than the lack of curse words...

When Easy and NWA were strictly a group for local Black radio they had to do certain things to get their songs played...to get booked at certain venues..... They didn't have to do those things once they broke nationally.....

that is my point....




>>Once that type of music got a chance to get widespread
>>exposure on major labels... Those explicit deterant elements
>>were gone.... The negative things in the music became flat
>out
>>exploitive entertainment....
>
>See above, it was always exploitative. The whole
>corpo-conspiracy that gets trotted out here when it comes to
>the 'death' of hip-hop, but back in the days where alot of big
>acts were still not on major labels they were still fucked up
>as hell. Ghetto Boys, etc.


>>You don't see how Hip hop fans can have discerning opinions
>>You don't see how hip hop fans can have opinions have make
>>judgement on things?
>>
>>those are human traits....
>
>Hypocritical traits.

that's just plain crazy. One thing that distinguishes humans from animals is the ability to discern and form opinions.

It actually weakens a person's argument when they label those opinions as hypocritical simply because someone is either forming an opinion that is different than someone else's or they are applying a level of discerning that someone else chooses not to apply.


>
>There hasn't been a musical argument based on morality in the
>Lesson for years, and the music has been as bloody as it's
>ever been.

>Yet suddenly everyone is whipping out the tissue paper for
>Chief Keef.
>
ok....but there is one now....you should find a better counter argument than to simply call it hypocritical. There hasn't been a reasonable music discussion in the lesson about ANYTHING in years...lol. Doesn't mean that this one isn't valid.