yep the great sosa has come upon us

dare i say it goes TOO hard?
TOO ratchet?
okay maybe not too ratchet.
cause interscope sprayed that major label sheen over him good cause this album SOUNDS good but its still true Keef.

i always hate how major labels make trap rappers switch it up trying to catch lightning in a bottle. (see: Gucci)

Sad but true

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the biggest response along with All Gold everything.

THe I don't like remix got a big repsonse too.

After Love Sosa he did a lil Cheif Keef mix and them young hoodrats was loving that shit.

but after really personally witness how these lil niggaz love Sosa I can't deny it.

do you!?!! is it quality music to you?

talk about the damn music please

i like Love sosa and Kobe tho just started listening to the album.

"THIS IS REAL!! I heard this in the gangster club" is becoming
the new hipster go to response to validate you liking irrelevant
hood piglets

Hipsters like Keef more than the streets do,

Outside of Chicago at least

I know this for an absolute fact


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Please explain.

And jump ship the second said Street cred is gone

This explains the rise and fall of 50 Cent;

He actually still makes good music. Problem is,
he's rich and hipsters don't like him, so they
don't promote his music or blog about him or his
life (his life actually isn't any less interesting
now)

Same with The Game: Hipsters find him inauthentic
now. They loved him when he came out. This is why
hipster write about ASAP and Keef and all these
niggas. The Game just came out with an album better
than the best songs from Keef's + the best songs from
ASAPs. Guaranteed. Its going to get very little blog
play or hipster love because Hipsters don't like the
image of the person

Its rarely about music with hipsters

Its more about image and bravado

I don't even mind it, but it should be talked about

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thanks for confirming.

Gonna let you figure it out.


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this guy was your average 50cent fan http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=white+guy+with+50+cent+tattoo&view=detail&id=7B7F952CC2FBB0B9B1755EF3DCA80BF7EB0F7756&first=109

hipsters reject the mainstream and 50 was as mainstream as it got.

>this guy was your average 50cent fan
>http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=white+guy+with+50+cent+tattoo&view=detail&id=7B7F952CC2FBB0B9B1755EF3DCA80BF7EB0F7756&first=109
>
>hipsters reject the mainstream and 50 was as mainstream as it
>got.

That's why Robert Greene wrote a book with 50 Cent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_50th_Law

^^Hipster shit defined

Problem is, 50 Lost his battle with Kanye, became
too rich, lost his perceived edge

This is when Hipsters left

and you can tell that 50s demise was hipster influenced
because his MUSIC has actually been pretty good since
he officially fell off

No hipsters blog or write about it because he's not
"edgy"

Hipsters like embarrassing black people, which is why
Chief Keef has a career




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You may be describing mainstream Yt america. But there is no way you were hearing candyshop at any hipster type spot. By the time 50 battled Kanye 50 was severly played out.

Every hipster joke is about liking something before it was cool or that you have never heard of. The reason that is the joke is because its true. Hipsters usually embrace whatever is "next". So I actually agree with you about hipsters embracing keef but I don't think its about street cred its more about being the first in on the bandwagon.

They actually *are* mainstream white america and the only
difference is that they embrace cultural diversity and dress
weird

But that's another discussion,


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Again, step your troll game up. Keef should have been a lay-up for you.

>Again, step your troll game up. Keef should have been a
>lay-up for you.

You should responding to every single post I'm in, on all
boards

You're almost at dickrider status, you can get there if you
try

cmon little homie


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It's true. Look at Clipse.

Funny thing is 50 made some of his best music this past year. Double Up and You a Killer...Cool are two of his best songs ever. Period.

>It's true. Look at Clipse.
>
>Funny thing is 50 made some of his best music this past year.
>Double Up and You a Killer...Cool are two of his best songs
>ever. Period.

50 put out some *great* music this past year

GREAT

No buzz

Why?

Because he's rich now. Not getting shot.

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You're better than that (Not really).

Without you, I'm nothing.

Keep it coming, boss.


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KZ__vV2sFg

LIVE FROM THE BATTLESTAR GALACTIC CONFERENCE AND FRESH OFF HIS POORLY-ATTENDED "HOW LUPE FIASCO'S ELOQUENT MUSIC ALMOST SCORED ME A HANDJOB" SYMPOSIUM, ORBIT_ESTABLISHED_THE_CYBORB_SEDUCER IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT HIPSTERS AND THUGS

Both of you responses were:

"I was at _____ club with actual ignorant black people
and the ___(insert shitty song)___ was playing!!!"

And you both used it to defend horrible songs.

Like, you both literally made the exact same post.

Its a trend and can't be denied:

Hipsters like rappers with street cred.

When someone like me says A$AP Rocky or Chief Keef
don't have street cred (the former has zero and the
latter's is falling) you guys get mad.

DOES A MAGE IN YOUR WARCRAFT CLAN HAVE A CYBER-PORTAL INTO CLUB LIV?

LOOK AT ALL THESE HIPSTERS TALKING ABOUT KEEF
https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=finally+rich&src=typd

Whose parents and/or older siblings are hipsters

Next

And of course SOME hood people like that dumb shit,
just not nearly as much as hipsters do

Its true

It was true for ASAP too, now its almost entirely
true for ASAP

Literally 75% of his fanbase are hipsters

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Please explain. Thanks in advance.

Holding it down for all the Sickle and Hammer cats in the
game

You're get an answer as serious as you deserve.

You know he cannot rap and isn't worth a listen.

You're just afraid to admit it and think liking him
makes you "hip."

If you want to be hip, inbox me and subscribe to my "cool
boot camp."

Don't like wack rappers. Doesn't make you hip.

It makes you a sucka.

This is an honest plea here.

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Never once in this thread have I said I liked it. But as usual, you are putting all Lessonheads into one box.

I was simply curious as to your background, as you speak with such authority on what both hipsters AND people in the hood like. So surely you spend time with each group to have such an informed, definitive opinion.

Because, in my experience, while I do not like Chief Keef, I have seen his appeal extend beyond skinny jean wearing dudes.

>Because, in my experience, while I do not like Chief Keef, I
>have seen his appeal extend beyond skinny jean wearing dudes.

Like I said:

When I was 15 I played football/basketball, ate gummi bears, twinkles,
watched Faces of Death and got lucky and fingered pussy occasionally

Liking dumb shit was part of being a kid

That's Keef's real base

12-17 years old, kids too young for the club

So when hipsters like Guinness talk about how they hear it in the
club, they are lying. Prime club years, even in the hood, are above
20. That crowd likes Drake, Jeezy and Rozay, sure. But not Keef.

The only ADULTS who like Keef are hipsters like you, Guiness and
Menphelsladare (or whatever his name is)



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>So when hipsters like Guinness talk about how they hear it in
>the
>club, they are lying. Prime club years, even in the hood, are
>above
>20. That crowd likes Drake, Jeezy and Rozay, sure. But not
>Keef.

Honest question: have you been in a black club in the last 6 months, where the average patron was in their 20's? Because I have, in many different cities, in both the U.S. and Canada (none of which were Chicago, BTW). And I heard as much Chief Keef/GBE as I did Rick Ross/MMG in almost every case. And the people seemed to know the records.

Now, it's a limited sample size, but it's all I have to go off. Do you have a different experience? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

>The only ADULTS who like Keef are hipsters like you, Guiness
>and
>Menphelsladare (or whatever his name is)

Once again, not a fan. That wasn't the issue. I was merely curious as to how you reach your seemingly concrete opinion on the matter when my own is 100% different, based on my own experience. It wasn't an attempt to engage you in another cyberfight. But that's what it became. Such is OKP, I suppose.

>Honest question: have you been in a black club in the last 6
>months, where the average patron was in their 20's? Because I
>have, in many different cities, in both the U.S. and Canada
>(none of which were Chicago, BTW). And I heard as much Chief
>Keef/GBE as I did Rick Ross/MMG in almost every case. And the
>people seemed to know the records.

Rozay yess, Keef no.

I mentor black and latino youth (middle school age) and they
knew who Keef was (unfortunately).

Clearly Keef's base trends younger than 20. Far, far, far,
younger than 20.

>Once again, not a fan. That wasn't the issue. I was merely
>curious as to how you reach your seemingly concrete opinion on
>the matter when my own is 100% different, based on my own
>experience. It wasn't an attempt to engage you in another
>cyberfight. But that's what it became. Such is OKP, I
>suppose.

Nah, no beef.

Beef is when you need two gats to go to sleep.


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Cause ghetto clubs dont look at ID like that and if you got enough money you can play your why in and esp 18 to 20 niggaz really in the hood clubs 18 to party 21 to drink
Now maybe u had a curfew which is cool we didnt we was in the club Orbit lol

You was at raves with white people

black people and latinos was rocking at house
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club that was 18 and older when you was 16 and 17.

ITs hood clubs that don't give a fuck..you either didn't have the money, the older people or you didn't want to go...just say that.

If you didn't want to go I can understand that its not for everyone but stop speaking on it.

nigga in here talkin about yo house parties who don't do that shit every neighorhood got them parents who dont' care and have parties..

I'm talkin about the club 18 to party 21 to drink you know its going to be some 16 year olds in there

>ITs hood clubs that don't give a fuck..you either didn't have
>the money, the older people or you didn't want to go...just
>say that.

That didn't make a grain of sense

>nigga in here talkin about yo house parties who don't do that
>shit every neighorhood got them parents who dont' care and
>have parties..

That is actually how hood niggas party, dumbass

That's how hood DJs get their start

>I'm talkin about the club 18 to party 21 to drink you know its
>going to be some 16 year olds in there

Ummm when I was 18 to 21 I was fucking girls 19-25

You were fingering 16 y/o girls as a junior in college, you
stinky finger pedophile ass nigga

Bwahahahahahahahaha damn nigga no wonder you like Chief Keef

You be outside of high school tryna get the prom queen,
baiting chicks with Chief Keef mixtapes

Yuck, nigga, I'm gonna ask you to stay away from me

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>
>
>
>>ITs hood clubs that don't give a fuck..you either didn't
>have
>>the money, the older people or you didn't want to go...just
>>say that.
>
>That didn't make a grain of sense

you couldn't get in the club or didn't want to go in the club?

>>nigga in here talkin about yo house parties who don't do
>that
>>shit every neighorhood got them parents who dont' care and
>>have parties..
>
>That is actually how hood niggas party, dumbass
>
>That's how hood DJs get their start

and they have clubs too nigga?
>>I'm talkin about the club 18 to party 21 to drink you know
>its
>>going to be some 16 year olds in there
>
>Ummm when I was 18 to 21 I was fucking girls 19-25
>
>You were fingering 16 y/o girls as a junior in college, you
>stinky finger pedophile ass nigga
>
>Bwahahahahahahahaha damn nigga no wonder you like Chief Keef
>
>You be outside of high school tryna get the prom queen,
>baiting chicks with Chief Keef mixtapes
>
>Yuck, nigga, I'm gonna ask you to stay away from me
>

nigga no when I was 16 I was at the club you sick ass went to a pedophile phase when you just admitted what I said you was "partying" wit 25 year old girls fucking them suppousley..them old woman turning yo young ass out.

If yo ass acutally went to hood ass ratchet club which you claim to be an expert on you'll know if its 18 to drink 21 to party its going to be 16 year olds in there...

Now yo sick ass went to pedophile went wit but admitted that the girls was pedophiling yo young dumb ass?

the fact you said Yuck nigga cause you heard 2 chain makes me beleive you wasn't doing that and don't fuck with ratchet clubs now. Which is cool be you but stop acting like you know what you are talkin about.

You openly admitted it.

I'm past talking about rap at this stage.

You a yucky ass nigga. Honestly, I'm gonna just hope that's
just some sloppy posting because I have you mad

But you gotta stay focused


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but you want to be the opinion on what goes on inside there.

lol at you tryin to change the subject to some nonsense cause you was wrong. You said 16 year olds are not in the club but they are.

So you went to into some sick shit to try to cover up you didn't know what you was talkin about I didn't say anyting about getting or mention girls..go head and keep trollin just don't talk about what goes on in niggaz ass clubs if you don't or never went.

Get some rest, you have to be up early to get the
high school girls before winter break


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nigga said Yuck

I mean, that's weird

All just to cop pleas for being too old
to listen to Chief Keef

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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was young or even now I understand....we grown now no one going to call you a lame anymore you can be yourself.

Them days of being in the club at 16 was fun its prob better tho you had to go home.

at least, that was the plot to one of his lupe fiasco fan-fiction stories.

Wish I could be cool and fit in like you

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=go4VI7gH0ss&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dgo4VI7gH0ss

You follow me into another one to make yet another unintelligent comment?

Love Sosa
I Dont Like
Hate Bein Sober

There you have it. Three career defining songs. Rest of the album bangs too.

He had some bars, but he sounded as if he barely wanted to be there. Was this recorded when he was in the hospital resting?

the young bol had the energy, he smoothed it out

Agreed

not feeling that

he got the hardest Keef song imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg9mJEE5PeQ

like, why are you mixing in niggas who give half a fuck? sound like some fuck niggas next to keef. fucks up the vibe

seriously shoulda let some'f them shirtless real ass niggas in the video get some shine on the mic

not much else to say really.
all sounds pretty similar.
don't like sounds really good mastered properly.

Not sure what the fuss is about

I'm not even hating

But let's not act like he's an actual rapper

He's a dumb nigga who made videos on a webcam,
pointed a gun at a cop and laughs at dead kids

That's why anyone listens to his music at all

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enough to at least skim...

Although, lol@the 'hipster conspiracists' working their angle again.

Screaming "hipster" is easier than actually having to think critically.


>Although, lol@the 'hipster conspiracists' working their angle
>again.
>
>

cause that tape was beyond repetitive and boring


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he's considerably worse than Gucci
he's considerably worse than Waka
he's considerably worse than Future

Lil man offers nothing but aspects of marginal rappers we've heard before.

Young Chop is a serious Lex Luger clone. How does this not bore you?

Kanye, what have you done...

niggas in general these days just want to be up on whatever's the hot new shit
and these days the hot new shit is being as ignant and indulgent as possible
without using too many words
niggas is intrigued by all these new uber (lol) hood/thug/etc
the more authentic it looks/feels/sounds
the better, no matter how suck it sounds (actually i've come to the conclusion that
the more suck it sounds the more niggas like it)
niggas is in love with the idea of chief keef. it can't be the music
like you said he's not even as good as any of these other half retarded rappers you named
it's the idea of him that people love more than anything.

Being 16 and ratchet?

Do these niggas have lives? What's their purpose?

Seriously, who wants to be 16 again?



also being "Finally Rich" is such a boldface lie. Are niggas aspiring to this goal? A goal (claimed to be) reached by millions of rappers before him. You needed to hear it from a 16 yo before it hit home? LOL

>it's the idea of him that people love more than anything.

That is why hipsters love him

Obviously kids like dumb shit

When I was 15 I used to get popcorn, gummi bears and
watch 'Faces of Death' every other day

Duh

But grownups liking this shit?

Its hipsterism



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i'm MAD interested in this wave of ignant rap taking over the industry. in the midst of a recession, no less.

is it fantasy rap? folks just wanna get their minds off their mortgage payment and pending unemployment?

is it the harbinger of a dark age of society in general? the dumbing down of american played out on the top 40 charts?

i'm not smart enough to break this shit down - i got an engineering degree. we need a sociology PhD in here to dissect this shit.

but it's worth looking into. i'm trying my hardest not to just dismiss dude entirely. i mean, "i don't like" does get stuck in your head. there's something to be said for making a memorable song. there's also something to be said for being able to capture the zeitgeist.

i mean, this nigga is making blatantly homoerotic videos and songs that got like 12 words in them and parlayed that into a record deal.

>i'm MAD interested in this wave of ignant rap taking over the
>industry. in the midst of a recession, no less.

They aren't related.

>is it fantasy rap? folks just wanna get their minds off their
>mortgage payment and pending unemployment?

No.

People like shock value.

Its why Kimbo Slice was popular. Its why people watch
Jersey Shore.

Human beings and wild shit is a moth/flame phenomenon.

50 Cent is actually a good rapper. Like Chris Rock said, him being
a good rapper had nothing to do with why he sold.

He sold records because he got shot 9 times, etc.

Young people, especially, are into that kind of thing.

The problem with hipsters is that they are NOT kids. They are
educated adults who INTELLECTUALIZE the dumb shit mostly
because it is GOOD FOR THEIR CARER.

You can literally build a career intellectualizing the appeal of Snookie.

Not only does Snookie have no talent, she's not even attractive. Her appeal
is acting like a dumb slut in Jersey Shore, and people appreciate watching
other human beings having the freedom to act like dumb sluts ( in part
because most of us don't have that kind of freedom....we envy the freedom
more than the acts themselves).

To Chief Keef and this type of rap:

His youtube videos were a Jersey Shore type of phenomenon,
where we couldn't believe what we were watching:.

a kid who had no respect for authority, waved guns
at police, yaps gang affiliations and laughs at death.

The minute I heard it I knew he'd be a star.

And I completely ignored his raps, as does everyone else.

Nobody cares if he can rap or not.

He points guns at police, lives with his grandmother, is
on house arrest and laughs at murder.

That's the appeal.


>i'm not smart enough to break this shit down - i got an
>engineering degree. we need a sociology PhD in here to
>dissect this shit.

By god, no. Social scientists have botched the study of
hip-hop bad enough. Please don't encourage them.

>but it's worth looking into. i'm trying my hardest not to
>just dismiss dude entirely.


Why not?

He sucks.

Just be confident in your opinion and admit it.


>i mean, "i don't like" does get
>stuck in your head. there's something to be said for making a
>memorable song. there's also something to be said for being
>able to capture the zeitgeist.


People don't like that song because of the song.

They like it because of the kid its coming from.


>i mean, this nigga is making blatantly homoerotic videos and
>songs that got like 12 words in them and parlayed that into a
>record deal.

And good for him.

Hopefully he can stay alive past his 20th birthday.


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>niggas in general these days just want to be up on whatever's
>the hot new shit
>and these days the hot new shit is being as ignant and
>indulgent as possible
>without using too many words
>niggas is intrigued by all these new uber (lol) hood/thug/etc
>
>the more authentic it looks/feels/sounds
>the better, no matter how suck it sounds (actually i've come
>to the conclusion that
>the more suck it sounds the more niggas like it)
>niggas is in love with the idea of chief keef. it can't be the
>music
>like you said he's not even as good as any of these other half
>retarded rappers you named
>it's the idea of him that people love more than anything.

Probably going to be the first time in hip-hop that the flunkies (lil Reese, Lil Durk) are going to outshine the guy that put them on.

There are no real hooks.
And the beats, like you pointed out, are kind of lex luger lite.
There's not even comedy in here.

he was acutally rapping on his last tape...I like LIl reese more too but I Think Cheif do have that star quality for some reason.

Lil reese ain't do himself no favors with that video but folks loving US .

well Reese is but idk what Def Jam is doing with him. the rest of them drill rappers are weed carrier status.

rest of them cats is Bo Deal & Wooh Da Kid status.

>rest of them cats is Bo Deal & Wooh Da Kid status.

>Young Chop is a serious Lex Luger clone. How does this not
>bore you?

Lex isn't making beats like this anymore though. Seems like he took the criticism to heart and is determined to show his "range". The lane was open...

He killed the trap.
He killed the R&B.

>>Young Chop is a serious Lex Luger clone. How does this not
>>bore you?
>
>Lex isn't making beats like this anymore though. Seems like he
>took the criticism to heart and is determined to show his
>"range". The lane was open...

maybe not as cinematic synth heavy, but alot of his trap tracks fit firmly in that same lane imho..

>

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I'm sure you already know this "lane" has been gridlocked by every hoodbooger in America with FL studio.

either way...it doesn't matter. This sound is seriously getting ran into the ground and it's baffling how yall are championing this shit. This album is just decent for what it is. Definitely not worth any hype OKP is giving it.

Hopefully this fades away into obscurity like Post-OKP-hype Roc Marciano/Cody Chestnutt

>he's considerably worse than Waka

This is who he is most derivative of, and Flocka seems to have more musical talent (never been a big fan to begin with). However, when you talk to Waka Flocka fans, they talk about how disappointed they were in the new album, and how he abandoned the sound and aesthetic that made everyone love Flockaveli on the new album.

Had Flocka continued to smash the game with those kinda big records that made him such a big deal in '10, would Chief Keef have even risen to this spot so quickly, if at all?

Waka's 2012 has been pretty underwhelming.


>Had Flocka continued to smash the game with those kinda big
>records that made him such a big deal in '10, would Chief Keef
>have even risen to this spot so quickly, if at all?

He seems more derivative of Future to me...but more so a mix of all three rappers i mentioned. Emulating alot of their aspects much like an impressionable 16 yo without an identity would.

but you are right in that Waka left the gate open. Does is make Keef/Chop any less of a clone or any less terrible musically? Nope.

Chop seems skilled though. Maybe he can grow out of this trend and come up with something refreshing.

it'd be different if there were claims that he was some sort of talented lyricist.
but it's just a kid doing gun talk (poorly, i gather)?
my life is too short to waste on that.

i need it in my life

that's just a prototype, but all my joints will have have steez.

>it'd be different if there were claims that he was some sort
>of talented lyricist.
>but it's just a kid doing gun talk (poorly, i gather)?
>my life is too short to waste on that.

He's horrible

Beyond horrible

He gets arrested, lives with his grandma and laughs when
kids get killed

And makes youtube videos

That is what he does



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if that doesn't show you what hipsters think of him and his music...they tend to jump on rappers that have a certain image and steez from the ghetto but hate on shit like Phonte or Oddisee.

ridiculous

...are either trying to make money off of intellectualizing it
and selling it to the masses (smart move)

OR

are insecure and think that liking this dumb shit makes
them hip and relevant (not a smart move)


He sucks.




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>but it's just a kid doing gun talk

Bucktown anyone? "Poorly" is subjective, of course. His music is more about creating a feeling than
lyrical dexterity. Not any different from say.. MC Hammer in that respect.

That "feeling" is called:

- I laugh at dead kids, wave guns at police,
am on house arrest

That is why Chief Keef is a phenomonon

He sucks as a rapper

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>That "feeling" is called:
>
>- I laugh at dead kids, wave guns at police,
>am on house arrest


^^^Cmon son. Those are actions, not a feeling. At least be coherent.

That tells you everything you need to know about how
we feel about his music.

Keef can basically fart on record and Pitchfork can give
would give it 7/10. He gets 7/10 because he's "real and
authentic." Not because he can rap.

He fucking sucks as a rapper

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>That tells you everything you need to know about how
>we feel about his music.

^^You keep saying "we" when you mean yourself.

And your previous comment still doesn't make any sense.

Orbit has been over-the-top with his posting (but he's right on the topic at hand...)...

First...

Hipsters had NOTHING to do with 50 Cent's push or success...

Hipsters had NOTHING to do with the Game's push or success...

HOWEVER....they (hipsters) are currently pushing Chief Keef's buzz....

Being from the Chi and knowing the Drill scene I can say that Keef's rise has been more about "that young boy is gonna shoot somebody...he so real" buzz than anything else, including the actual music...

From his O-Dog making tweets (him basically dancing over the grave of dead gang-affiliated rivals was surreal) and the whole gun-range controversy--this has all been a hipster's wet dream...

Sure 13 to 16 year old kids are riding out to Keef...That's what teenagers do...

I'm not mad at that....

I'm more upset with grown ass black folks who should know better than to be championing this bullshit...

And I'm especially mad at grown ass white cultural bloggers and fellow magazine/music writers backing the Chief Keefs and Trinidad James' of the world...But at least James is harmless...He's "funny" in that, ig-nant ass bamma way...

But Keef cuts deep for me...

As a born and raised cat from the south side of the Chi I have to deal with stories of old friends and family members getting caught in the system and some getting shot up from the senseless violence that is gripping my beloved city...Niggas is wilding in the Chi...Blood is in the streets...

So when I see white hipsters and journalists big up Keef like he's the standard now, I cringe with anger and resentment...

It really is the new minstrel show....And everybody is playing their part...

Call me a "broke boy"...Whatever...I got fam that have to walk down those streets that are littered in bullets...I don't need white folks making a 17 year old kid into a nigga mascot for my city...

Ya'll can joke all you want to...

Fuck this shit...

>
>
>Orbit has been over-the-top with his posting (but he's right
>on the topic at hand...)...
>
>First...
>
>Hipsters had NOTHING to do with 50 Cent's push or success...
>
>Hipsters had NOTHING to do with the Game's push or success...
>
>HOWEVER....they (hipsters) are currently pushing Chief Keef's
>buzz....
>
>Being from the Chi and knowing the Drill scene I can say that
>Keef's rise has been more about "that young boy is gonna shoot
>somebody...he so real" buzz than anything else, including the
>actual music...
>
>From his O-Dog making tweets (him basically dancing over the
>grave of dead gang-affiliated rivals was surreal) and the
>whole gun-range controversy--this has all been a hipster's wet
>dream...
>
>Sure 13 to 16 year old kids are riding out to Keef...That's
>what teenagers do...
>
>I'm not mad at that....
>
>I'm more upset with grown ass black folks who should know
>better than to be championing this bullshit...
>
>And I'm especially mad at grown ass white cultural bloggers
>and magazine/music writers backing the Chief Keefs and
>Trinidad James' of the world...But at least James is
>harmless...He's "funny" in that, ig-nant ass bamma way...
>
>But Keef cuts deep for me...
>
>As a born and raised cat from the south side of the Chi I have
>to deal with stories of old friends and family members getting
>caught in the system and some getting shot up from the
>senseless violence that is gripping my beloved city...Niggas
>is wilding in the Chi...Blood is in the streets...
>
>So when I see white hipsters and journalists big up Keef like
>he's the standard now, I cringe with anger and resentment...
>
>It really is the new minstrel show....And everybody is playing
>their part...
>
>Call me a "broke boy"...Whatever...I got fam that have to walk
>down those streets that are littered in bullets...I don't need
>white folks making a 17 year old kid into a nigga mascot for
>my city...
>
>Ya'll can joke all you want to...
>
>Fuck this shit...

GODDAMMNN!!!!

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chief keef is a fucking minstrel show. I agree with everything you have typed

.

>Sure 13 to 16 year old kids are riding out to Keef...That's
>what teenagers do...



>I'm not mad at that....
>
>I'm more upset with grown ass black folks who should know
>better than to be championing this bullshit...
>
>And I'm especially mad at grown ass white cultural bloggers
>and fellow magazine/music writers backing the Chief Keefs and
>Trinidad James' of the world...But at least James is
>harmless...He's "funny" in that, ig-nant ass bamma way...

Obviously there has to be an appeal because someone likes it; it's not as if hipsters/cultural* bloggers, etc..buy records. They download them or get to review em for free. When someone cracked on Trini James being an internet only phenom DJ Ristic pointed out its one of his hottest records in real life based off his last few parties. Kanye West bogarded 'I Don't Like' and it was a huge hit earlier in the year...

I just can't see how we draw the line here with the Chief Keef of the worlds when Mobb Deep were sprewing the same nonsense around the same age. Just because rappers now are all in their mid 30's doesn't mean that teenagers weren't killing each other on wax (and rapping about it) years ago.

I just find it hypocritical for us to be like, 'Chief Keef'...artistically bereft music that contributes to the downfall of society!

When we were debating N.W.A's non-nomination to the Rock N Roll Hall of fame, lol. What was their positive contribution to the world lyrically outside of catchy rape songs if we have to judge music based on it's morals?

This Chief Keef album sucks because well, it just sucks, but his 'Back from the Dead' mixtape from earlier in the year deserved the buzz. The jury remains out on Trini-James, but 'All Gold Everything' is a great song with stiff, but memorable, lines.

I just don't see how we as hip-hop fans can get on our Tipper Gore.

I don't remember any outcry over M.O.P. bragging about fucking people up.

>I just can't see how we draw the line here with the Chief Keef
>of the worlds when Mobb Deep were sprewing the same nonsense
>around the same age. Just because rappers now are all in
>their mid 30's doesn't mean that teenagers weren't killing
>each other on wax (and rapping about it) years ago.
>

>Obviously there has to be an appeal because someone likes it;
>it's not as if hipsters/cultural* bloggers, etc..buy records.
>They download them or get to review em for free. When someone
>cracked on Trini James being an internet only phenom DJ Ristic
>pointed out its one of his hottest records in real life based
>off his last few parties. Kanye West bogarded 'I Don't Like'
>and it was a huge hit earlier in the year...



I hear you...I respect all that...But I don't care...I'm no sheep...And let's be real...We are not talking about production values here...The beat for "I Don't Like" rides out...It's catchy...

I'm talking the content and the image of Chief Keef from a personal level, not whether or not he's rapping over a good beat and you can dance/bounce to it...


>I just can't see how we draw the line here with the Chief Keef
>of the worlds when Mobb Deep were sprewing the same nonsense
>around the same age. Just because rappers now are all in
>their mid 30's doesn't mean that teenagers weren't killing
>each other on wax (and rapping about it) years ago.

Again...there's a fine line between having violence laced into your lyrical output and just being on some unskillful bullshit made for the Basketball Wives/Honey Boo Boo crowd...



>I just find it hypocritical for us to be like, 'Chief
>Keef'...artistically bereft music that contributes to the
>downfall of society!
>
>When we were debating N.W.A's non-nomination to the Rock N
>Roll Hall of fame, lol. What was their positive contribution
>to the world lyrically outside of catchy rape songs if we have
>to judge music based on it's morals?
>
>This Chief Keef album sucks because well, it just sucks, but
>his 'Back from the Dead' mixtape from earlier in the year
>deserved the buzz. The jury remains out on Trini-James, but
>'All Gold Everything' is a great song with stiff, but
>memorable, lines.

Listen homie...You and others simply have bad taste in music...And since this is America we our all allowed are flaws...I have mines as well when it comes to some art...

But on the real, I'm coming from this on a personal angle...I just find the championing of Keef and others of his ilk (I placed Kreayshawn and her nigga-slinging crew in the same category, btw)as some bullshit because I know where the kid comes from...And I know how crazy the Chi is now...I'm not going to be reasonable on this...It's too emotional for me...

And on a artistic/musical level, if black folks are going to be portrayed as ignorant buffoons (James) or savages (Keef) then at least have the decency to be good at what you do...

You know why Ice T, Scarface and even NWA could be given the benefit of the doubt during those "this is the end of the civilization" discussions about rap back then?

Because they were actually skillful at what they did...What Keef is is a modern day Eazy E in plain terms...But Eazy had Cube and Ren to balance him out with pure talent and skill...

And really...HOW CAN YOU BLAME A 17 YEAR OLD KID LIKE KEEF? He's doing him...He's a kid...He's ignorant...He's had no real parenting...He caught up in a trap like most of the kids in black side of Chi...I don't blame him...

I blame the industry machine and media folks trumpeting this shit...

But really, I could care less about the artistic merits...

I just find the whole buzz on some bullshit hipster driven fraud...

If Keef didn't suck, he'd be mad that Keef was promoting
negativity in his community but would be able to at least
say that he can rap.

That Keef is a horrible rapper is what makes this shit
intolerable and frustrating for dude to stomach

I *can* be objective by saying this:

If Keef wants to eat off of having no talent
and making youtube videos, than fine. Good for him

Ole boy can't objectively wish Keef well because
of what goes in his community.

That doesn't change the fact that Chief Keef has no talent,
at all, and grownups only like him because it makes y'all
feel cool

Keef has zero talent. None.

He's famous for laughing at murder and being on house
arrest. That's it.

That is pathetic. I don't take it personally, nor does
Keef's success bother me for any personal reasons, but I do
admit the truth

I recognize that I'm very emotional about this in terms of the content of the music and where it comes from...

But I also recognize that from a pure artistic view of this, it is my job to be objective as a journalist...And from that angle I can honestly say that this is some bullshit...

But the truth is, no one is objective...U like what you like...

But there comes a time where you have to put your nuts on the table and stop being sheep...

That's the point I've come to...

If he was talented, you'd have more of a dilemma
on your hands and ole boy above who asked you why
you don't get upset at MOP would have a point

He doesn't have a point because MOP are talented artists
and are famous for making great songs

Keef is famous for laughing at dead kids and pointing
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>Keef is famous for laughing at dead kids and pointing
>guns at police

>>Keef is famous for laughing at dead kids and pointing
>>guns at police

If someone who isn't on house arrest makes that
same song, nobody gives a fuck

And him laughing at dead kids only made him MORE
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>>>Keef is famous for laughing at dead kids and pointing
>>>guns at police
>
>If someone who isn't on house arrest makes that
>same song, nobody gives a fuck
>
>And him laughing at dead kids only made him MORE
>popular and his music MORE popular

Arguably Mos Def too since I doubt he just randomly picked the most ignorant song out.

But keep on playing dense and act like there's no possible way anyone can like the song, even Murph below admitted it was catchy.

>Arguably Mos Def too since I doubt he just randomly picked the
>most ignorant song out.

Uhhh obviously the song is popular, dumbass

>But keep on playing dense and act like there's no possible way
>anyone can like the song, even Murph below admitted it was
>catchy.

There are thousands of catchy songs on the internet

Only one was made by a kid who laughs at death and is
on house arrest

Without those details, Keef is a nobody, regardless of
how "catchy" his music is


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I know it's hard to imagine kids enjoying & vibing, maybe even DANCING to hit songs since you're a Lupe and Nas stan, but facts is facts.

You can put this whole megaconspiracy 'People love it cause he's got a backstory of him running over grandmothers GTA style while shooting glocks!'

But most of the people enjoying to 'I Don't Like' have no idea of that fucking backstory.

They aren't your mythical 'hipsters' posting for blog hits.
They aren't backpackers clutching onto the 90's and 'real rap' like yourself who refuse to evolve past


They are regular folks who consume music the way kids & people do nowadays; youtube clips, itunes, spotify, etc.

You and David Bammer love to bring out the conspiracy of internet street teams & hipsters that hype up and take these supposed horrible acts to the bank and make em famous!

But someone is paying for those itunes and it ain't bloggers.

Its pretty clear that Keef's appeal is the story,
and that's not even saying anything bad about him.

His appeal is the following:

-he pointed a gun at police

-was on house arrest

-living with his grandmother

-spouts gang lingo

-laughs when people get murdered

^That is why we care about the music he makes

^That is why we watch his youtube videos

^That is why his deal was worth millions

Its not really debatable and I'm not even
saying anything bad about the kid.




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I'm starting to think you don't know what a hipster is

>I'm starting to think you don't know what a hipster is

It's hard to critically think why one artist might be more appealing (not better) then another musically if you don't know your shit; so just deflect with whatever boogyman you can conjure.

That is what insecure hipsters do.

The interview wasn't at a recording studio, because
Keef didn't get 7.5/10 for making music.

He got a 7/5/10 because he laughs at murder.


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>I'm not
>going to be reasonable on this...It's too emotional for me...
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>>I'm not
>>going to be reasonable on this...It's too emotional for
>me...


Again...from a content level and how it connects with my hometown, I can't be reasonable within THAT debate...

But I can view this on its pure artistic merits, which is different...And from that standpoint, since I'm not 13 years old or I'm not following the latest hot trend, I can call a spade a spade...

Chief Keef is horrible...Give me King Louie any day...

>I hear you...I respect all that...But I don't care...I'm no
>sheep...And let's be real...We are not talking about
>production values here...The beat for "I Don't Like" rides
>out...It's catchy...

And that's why it's a hit. Yeah, lyrically it's fucking shit...probably 80% of mainstream hip-hop is lyrically shit no matter what the subject matter is...outside of like Drake and Weezy who's even bothering with metaphors nowadays?

However the beats(obviously focused on dancing, less boom bap) and hooks are as strong as ever. There's a reason why they are 'hit' songs that cross over, even if they are the equivalent of euro-trash pop techno where it's just a club beat, hook, and some lyrics in the middle nobody remembers.

>
>I'm talking the content and the image of Chief Keef from a
>personal level, not whether or not he's rapping over a good
>beat and you can dance/bounce to it...

It's an unfair critique though. Like, im not being dense; Chief Keef is a fucking poster child for a huge problem...there's a nihilism there that doesn't bode well for a large amount of teens growing up and the societal fallout for someone rapping about how his sister is dumb for wanting to be a lawyer (and being halfway right about it) is fucking awful and a sign that we don't deserve to survive as a species.

But that doesn't make 'I Don't Like' less catchy.

>And on a artistic/musical level, if black folks are going to
>be portrayed as ignorant buffoons (James) or savages (Keef)
>then at least have the decency to be good at what you do...
>
>You know why Ice T, Scarface and even NWA could be given the
>benefit of the doubt during those "this is the end of the
>civilization" discussions about rap back then?
>
>Because they were actually skillful at what they did...What
>Keef is is a modern day Eazy E in plain terms...But Eazy had
>Cube and Ren to balance him out with pure talent and skill...

Unfortunately, nowadays, to be a 'rapper' its all about hooks & beat. It's why a semi-real rapper like Wiz(semi-decent cause I still think he sucks) has to go work with the same songwriters that Rihanna does.

The games BEEN different for the past decade.

Can't knock em for being shitty rappers, because we were all dancing to Lil John ten years ago.

Can't knock em for being morally bereft because, well, they are just inheriting the nihilism that we enjoyed/promoted/dabbled in when hip-hop was our youth soundtrack.

>Can't knock em for being morally bereft because, well, they
>are just inheriting the nihilism that we
>enjoyed/promoted/dabbled in when hip-hop was our youth
>soundtrack.


I can knock them because I'm close to the situation...Lil John was a producer who screamed "OKAY!!!" over tracks...No one viewed him seriously as a rapper...He was a viewed as a production and A&R power in ATL...

Keef is viewed as real live rapper...And rather than give the same ol cop-out of "it's always been this way" I'm not going that path...

Again, Keef is not to blame...He's just a baby...

I blame the older folks in the room...

Again, even when people were coming after Ice Cube in the early 90s there was a skill to his mad-making...There was talent...There was vision...

Keef is just an untalented rhymer saying shit on the mic...And hey, that's cool...make that money...

But when it's done with cheerleading from white folks who just want to see a minstrel show at a time when the Chi is dripping in blood, I have to say something...

>>Sure 13 to 16 year old kids are riding out to Keef...That's
>>what teenagers do...
>
>
>
>>I'm not mad at that....
>>
>>I'm more upset with grown ass black folks who should know
>>better than to be championing this bullshit...
>>
>>And I'm especially mad at grown ass white cultural bloggers
>>and fellow magazine/music writers backing the Chief Keefs
>and
>>Trinidad James' of the world...But at least James is
>>harmless...He's "funny" in that, ig-nant ass bamma way...
>
>Obviously there has to be an appeal because someone likes it;
>it's not as if hipsters/cultural* bloggers, etc..buy records.
>They download them or get to review em for free. When someone
>cracked on Trini James being an internet only phenom DJ Ristic
>pointed out its one of his hottest records in real life based
>off his last few parties. Kanye West bogarded 'I Don't Like'
>and it was a huge hit earlier in the year...
>

yeah somebody likes it.... Somebody likes having people boo-boo on them too. So it would be out of bounds to form an opinion on that too???

lol...come on.


>I just can't see how we draw the line here with the Chief Keef
>of the worlds when Mobb Deep were sprewing the same nonsense
>around the same age. Just because rappers now are all in
>their mid 30's doesn't mean that teenagers weren't killing
>each other on wax (and rapping about it) years ago.
>
>I just find it hypocritical for us to be like, 'Chief
>Keef'...artistically bereft music that contributes to the
>downfall of society!
>
>When we were debating N.W.A's non-nomination to the Rock N
>Roll Hall of fame, lol. What was their positive contribution
>to the world lyrically outside of catchy rape songs if we have
>to judge music based on it's morals?

regarding NWA.... When Easy E and NWA initially came out...before they were so-called cross over successes.... The only way they got on the radio...KDAY and the like was to have alternative versions of their records...

now these alternative versions not only had the curse words removed...but they had the lyrics changed that changed the entire premise of the songs....The one I specificlly remember was Dope man...where parts of the chorus where changed to say DON'T BE the Dopeman.... The whole idea of the so-called gangster rap being an exposse of the bad part of life...a deterant so to speak wasn't just an intangible concept...the songs were changed to have lyrics that EXPLICITLY were deterants....DON'T be the dopeman....DON'T smoke weed... DON'T kill people...


Once that type of music got a chance to get widespread exposure on major labels... Those explicit deterant elements were gone.... The negative things in the music became flat out exploitive entertainment....






>
>This Chief Keef album sucks because well, it just sucks, but
>his 'Back from the Dead' mixtape from earlier in the year
>deserved the buzz. The jury remains out on Trini-James, but
>'All Gold Everything' is a great song with stiff, but
>memorable, lines.
>
>I just don't see how we as hip-hop fans can get on our Tipper
>Gore.

You don't see how Hip hop fans can have discerning opinions? You don't see how hip hop fans can have opinions have make judgement on things?

those are human traits....

>now these alternative versions not only had the curse words
>removed...but they had the lyrics changed that changed the
>entire premise of the songs....The one I specificlly remember
>was Dope man...where parts of the chorus where changed to say
>DON'T BE the Dopeman.... The whole idea of the so-called
>gangster rap being an exposse of the bad part of life...a
>deterant so to speak wasn't just an intangible concept...the
>songs were changed to have lyrics that EXPLICITLY were
>deterants....DON'T be the dopeman....DON'T smoke weed... DON'T
>kill people...

That def wasn't Niggaz4Life NWA I remember. They may have started positive, but let's not kid ourselves at NWA not being the poster child for nihilistic hip-hop, a choice they made on their own.

Id argue the opposite; they made those changes to get ON the radio...when they realized they didn't have to get on the radio, and were more popular when they went full retard....


>Once that type of music got a chance to get widespread
>exposure on major labels... Those explicit deterant elements
>were gone.... The negative things in the music became flat out
>exploitive entertainment....

See above, it was always exploitative. The whole corpo-conspiracy that gets trotted out here when it comes to the 'death' of hip-hop, but back in the days where alot of big acts were still not on major labels they were still fucked up as hell. Ghetto Boys, etc.



>You don't see how Hip hop fans can have discerning opinions?
>You don't see how hip hop fans can have opinions have make
>judgement on things?
>
>those are human traits....

Hypocritical traits.

There hasn't been a musical argument based on morality in the Lesson for years, and the music has been as bloody as it's ever been.

Yet suddenly everyone is whipping out the tissue paper for Chief Keef.

>>now these alternative versions not only had the curse words
>>removed...but they had the lyrics changed that changed the
>>entire premise of the songs....The one I specificlly
>remember
>>was Dope man...where parts of the chorus where changed to
>say
>>DON'T BE the Dopeman.... The whole idea of the so-called
>>gangster rap being an exposse of the bad part of life...a
>>deterant so to speak wasn't just an intangible concept...the
>>songs were changed to have lyrics that EXPLICITLY were
>>deterants....DON'T be the dopeman....DON'T smoke weed...
>DON'T
>>kill people...
>
>That def wasn't Niggaz4Life NWA I remember. They may have
>started positive, but let's not kid ourselves at NWA not being
>the poster child for nihilistic hip-hop, a choice they made on
>their own.

I'm talking KDAY Easy E and NWA doing shows at Skateland or at Elks lodges and the like...

and I'm not saying they were necessarily positive ..what I'm saying is that the songs that got on the radio for them were not only edited for the curse words...but entire premise of songs were changed because they couldn't have gotten on the radio unless they did that.



>
>Id argue the opposite; they made those changes to get ON the
>radio...when they realized they didn't have to get on the
>radio, and were more popular when they went full retard....

they were more popular because more people heard them. I mean people who are my age who grew up in the LA area listening to KDAY ...who remember KDAY BEFORE they became a strictly hip hop station know what I'm talking about...

you bought the 12 inches of the songs...you bought Easy E's first album on cassette...that was the same NWA that made 4life 100 miles all that....they didn't change anything....but if you listen to the radio edits for their early singles....it was more than the lack of curse words...

When Easy and NWA were strictly a group for local Black radio they had to do certain things to get their songs played...to get booked at certain venues..... They didn't have to do those things once they broke nationally.....

that is my point....




>>Once that type of music got a chance to get widespread
>>exposure on major labels... Those explicit deterant elements
>>were gone.... The negative things in the music became flat
>out
>>exploitive entertainment....
>
>See above, it was always exploitative. The whole
>corpo-conspiracy that gets trotted out here when it comes to
>the 'death' of hip-hop, but back in the days where alot of big
>acts were still not on major labels they were still fucked up
>as hell. Ghetto Boys, etc.


>>You don't see how Hip hop fans can have discerning opinions
>>You don't see how hip hop fans can have opinions have make
>>judgement on things?
>>
>>those are human traits....
>
>Hypocritical traits.

that's just plain crazy. One thing that distinguishes humans from animals is the ability to discern and form opinions.

It actually weakens a person's argument when they label those opinions as hypocritical simply because someone is either forming an opinion that is different than someone else's or they are applying a level of discerning that someone else chooses not to apply.


>
>There hasn't been a musical argument based on morality in the
>Lesson for years, and the music has been as bloody as it's
>ever been.

>Yet suddenly everyone is whipping out the tissue paper for
>Chief Keef.
>
ok....but there is one now....you should find a better counter argument than to simply call it hypocritical. There hasn't been a reasonable music discussion in the lesson about ANYTHING in years...lol. Doesn't mean that this one isn't valid.

that is one hell of a reply my man...

thank you...

I give it my full endorsement (points at you like Fred McGriff)


For me it's like this...the one thing that got my attention about Chief Keef was the 2 videos for I don't like and Love Sosa.... The fact that in the videos he was the only dude with his shirt off in a large room with nothing but dudes was just odd to me. I mean I work every day with thousands of teenagers....I know how they get down....and I also know that there is a part of gang culture where when you see a "young rider" with his shirt off it kind of means that he's down for whatever...not affraid...and ready to ride....I get that... But to have him shirtless with his boys arms around shoulders and no girls in the video was just odd to me..

the one thing about his music that is somewhat appealing.....particularly for someone who likes "ignorant" rap music...there is a rawness involved in that type of music that has an organic feel to that on some levels is appealing in hip hop when it's done of a certain quality..... Three 6 mafia had that...project pat...kingpin skinny pimp had that.....early NWA and Easy E....too short and the like...

but the thing is....once we start talking about selling records....we're talking about marketing...we're talking about presenting something for entertainment....at that point there is a line that is drawn where the artist has to take the next step of adding some redeeming value to what they do..or softening what they do. If they don't do that then we are at a point where the artist is simply exploiting degredation..and that isn't cool in a place and a time where lives are being destroyed...

and considering what is happening on the streets of Chicago right today....we are at a point where there needs to be something more to what Keef is doing or else he basiclly becomes a lawn jockey on hell's front lawn....

>For me it's like this...the one thing that got my attention
>about Chief Keef was the 2 videos for I don't like and Love
>Sosa.... The fact that in the videos he was the only dude with
>his shirt off in a large room with nothing but dudes was just
>odd to me. I mean I work every day with thousands of
>teenagers....I know how they get down....and I also know that
>there is a part of gang culture where when you see a "young
>rider" with his shirt off it kind of means that he's down for
>whatever...not affraid...and ready to ride....I get that...
>But to have him shirtless with his boys arms around shoulders
>and no girls in the video was just odd to me..

lol

and lose credibility?

that is the only thing that interests me about this release.

he's a horrible rapper. there is no way to justify otherwise.

anyone that gives a keef release over a 6/C+ (generously speaking) is not to be taken seriously. him pointing a gun at a cop, the producers he works with, and the semi-catchy hooks are the only thing saving him from being a random kid with a youtube channel. he's uninteresting, unoriginal, and has very little actual talent..

>and lose credibility?
>
>that is the only thing that interests me about this release.
>
>he's a horrible rapper. there is no way to justify otherwise.
>
>anyone that gives a keef release over a 6/C+ (generously
>speaking) is not to be taken seriously. him pointing a gun at
>a cop, the producers he works with, and the semi-catchy hooks
>are the only thing saving him from being a random kid with a
>youtube channel. he's uninteresting, unoriginal, and has very
>little actual talent..


Oh...you can rest assured that some of my fellow journalistic brethren will be hailing this album...Some already are in this very thread...

You can book it...

............

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Somehow it's okay to act like a violent idiot if you have a show on VH1 I guess.


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1697116/game-40-glocc-fight.jhtml

One album that is very good, and multiple
good/very good albums.

He's an actual rapper.

Chief Keef is not.

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Nobody likes a troll without any balls. Again, step your game up.

>Somehow it's okay to act like a violent idiot if you have a
>show on VH1 I guess.
>
>
>http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1697116/game-40-glocc-fight.jhtml


If you think its as simple as that then you really haven't been reading this thread...

which is cool but you have to be consistent about it. That being said, I definitely understand where you're coming from and salute the replies you've made in this thread. I don't agree with some of your points but definitely consider them.

>which is cool but you have to be consistent about it. That
>being said, I definitely understand where you're coming from
>and salute the replies you've made in this thread. I don't
>agree with some of your points but definitely consider them.

Just letting you know.

If you're going to ride my dick, you're going to
have to get better. You cannot embarrass me

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BTW: Awesome nuance displayed in your "Keef is for hipsters!" thesis.

I'm all over this


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Freestyle over the "I Don't Like" beat perhaps? Worked for Mos.

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this shit is utter trash

if you feel this, bash your head into your laptop repeatedly

______________________
Sadat X - Love, Hell or Right
Jaylib - Champion Sound
Fabolous - The Soul Tape II

I gave the album a spin but nothing really caught my ear yet. I like the Kobe joint a lot, but I already
heard that. Been liked 3Hunna. I never was a fan of "Don't Like".
What's silly to me is how folks are in here saying shit like "I don't like it because I'm not 13" or
"If you like it, you're retarded or trying to remain relevant". Imo, *that's* the kind of stuff that
sounds like a 13 yr old talking. The whole "If you don't feel like I feel, there's something wrong with you"
point of view. We're all grown here (as far as I know), so we should all understand, by now, that music
is subjective. Everybody doesn't feel the same way you feel about anything.

Culturally and socially? Yeah, this is disgusting, but then that's not a musical discussion. If we wanna
have that discussion, I got mad criticism for many rappers, but we'd have to take that shit up out The Lesson.

>I gave the album a spin but nothing really caught my ear yet.
> I like the Kobe joint a lot, but I already
>heard that. Been liked 3Hunna. I never was a fan of "Don't
>Like".
>What's silly to me is how folks are in here saying shit like
>"I don't like it because I'm not 13" or
>"If you like it, you're retarded or trying to remain
>relevant". Imo, *that's* the kind of stuff that
>sounds like a 13 yr old talking. The whole "If you don't feel
>like I feel, there's something wrong with you"
>point of view. We're all grown here (as far as I know), so we
>should all understand, by now, that music
>is subjective. Everybody doesn't feel the same way you feel
>about anything.
>
>Culturally and socially? Yeah, this is disgusting, but then
>that's not a musical discussion. If we wanna
>have that discussion, I got mad criticism for many rappers,
>but we'd have to take that shit up out The Lesson.


maybe it's a bit much to say people are thinking like 13 year olds..... But do you see the same contradiction that I'm seeing when you are critical of someone saying that....yet freely say "don't talk about anything else but the music" it's like saying...Narrow down the discussion.....limit the discussion....pretend the music exists in a vaccum...

there's a contradiction there...

it's not cool to say people are not "mature" who like this....but it's cool NOT to look at this in a mature manner.

>there's a contradiction there...
>
>it's not cool to say people are not "mature" who like
>this....but it's cool NOT to look at this in a mature manner.


Looking at this in a mature manner and discussing something other than the music aren't necessarily one and the same.
Seeing how we are in a music discussion forum, the mature thing to do might be to discuss the music...
to compartmentalize. Actually though, discussing the the side shit doesn't bother me, because I used
to do it all the time in here... but that hindered my discussions for one very important reason. It's
hard to discuss any mainstream music at all without talking about how cancerous it is to the youth and whatnot.
I ain't mad at people noticing that though. *However*, when it comes to the actual *music*, we all will dig different
shit, and that has nothing to do with a person's maturity level.

Cuz that shit beats

You square-ass niggas hatin on it now but you gonna be calling it a classic in 5 years just like with Diplomatic Immunity

You faggots just mad he ain't got no R&B features. Bitch Rap is over. Real niggas is back

Chief Keef is the best thing to happen to Hip-Hop since break beats

Imma give it more burn.

But there's no Tru-Religion or Monsters on here...on first listen the hooks aren't as strong.

Man, go on with that silly, name calling, trolling bullshit...

Niggas be taking their Internet alias too seriously....

that is blasphemy

>Cuz that shit beats
>
>You square-ass niggas hatin on it now but you gonna be calling
>it a classic in 5 years just like with Diplomatic Immunity
>
>You faggots just mad he ain't got no R&B features. Bitch Rap
>is over. Real niggas is back
>
>Chief Keef is the best thing to happen to Hip-Hop since break
>beats

Back when I was saying Rick Ross, Gucci, Jeezy and all them were terrible for young folks
because they glorify a lifestyle that the young aspire to... so many of yall cats said "it's just
entertainment" and brushed it off. Yall said people weren't that impressionable and were just
listening to the music. Yall said I was crazy.

Well well well. What do we have here? We have this young cat who gets all this praise for *actually being*
the wildn' out, shoot 'em up type. And THIS is what I was saying all that time. THIS was the next step
in the progression. It's not gonna be just talk forever. They're gonna start actually being the shit.

But it was all good to yall until people starting dying off wax. I still don't understand why yall
thought it wasn't coming to this. Now these niggas in here sounding like me...

LOL.

What happened to all the claims that the youth ain't taking this shit serious? That young nigga talking
at the beginning of this cd is dead ass serious. Chief Keef really did laugh his ass off about a kid
being brutally murdered. In this time where music is secondary to image, this is a logical progression.
It was bound to happen, but niggas give a fuck about the youth now? Well good! It's about goddamn time.


But hey, it's just music, right? The kids don't take this shit seriously.

/I-told-you-so rant

I had to do it, because yall niggas be swearin' I'm crazy until the shit I say smacks yall in the fuckin' face.

If you wanna talk business sense or moxie or
internet persona cool

He sucks as a rapper

He's awful, in fact

Terrible

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>


Save that shit for the next time snobs criticize
a thug rapper who is actually good

I wouldn't waste it on Keef

He sucks


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http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17477-finally-rich/

Chief Keef

Finally Rich

Interscope; 2012

By Jayson Greene; December 14, 2012

Finally Rich is Chief Keef’s major-label debut, but truthfully, there's not a whole lot to distinguish it from the free mixtapes he made while on house arrest at his grandmother’s place in Chicago’s Washington Park neighborhood. Those tapes, first passed around among southside high-schoolers, were what landed the now-17-year-old rapper his Interscope deal, and apart from a few random A&R’ed guest spots, the label appears to have stayed out of his way.

That's a good thing. Chief Keef’s music sparked a lot of arguments this year. His youth, his rapid rise, and his association with Chicago's epidemic of gun violence made him 2012’s flashpoint for discussions about what was wrong with hip-hop. But he established a simple sound that proved powerfully effective and addictive, and he also showed that it was a sturdy enough blueprint to support multiple songs. If Waka Flocka Flame woke up tomorrow utterly drained of the will to live, he might sound like Chief Keef -- all the unilateral forward motion and aggression, none of the audible joy. Young Chop’s crisp snares and hi-hats mimic Lex Luger’s (minus the tricky syncopation) while Keef mutters through a thick wall of processing.

There’s nothing to add or subtract to this sound that could substantially improve it. Fellow Chicagoan Kanye West found that out the hard way when his Michigan Avenue makeover of “I Don’t Like” was given a public dressing-down by Young Chop the day after it hit the web. Finally Rich benefits from some professional tweaks in the mix, but otherwise leaves Keef's sound untouched. And in addition to succeeding on its own terms, it proves that Keef has a lot of potential-- much more than his detractors might have hoped.

Based on a simple four-note earworm, the hook on album opener “Love Sosa” has the feel of something sung under the breath, and after hearing it once or twice, you'll probably find yourself doing just that. There's an unquantifiable line separating the maddeningly catchy from the simply maddening, and Keef has a natural knack for walking it. "Hallelujah", also produced by Young Chop, is one the album's more involved productions: Its blaring horns gesture towards Waka's "O Let's Do It” over Hammond organ licks that feel smuggled out of Houston rap. “Diamonds” has a similar feel, with gunfire, horn and string stabs, and a manic carnival-ride synth line all rolling out like evenly spaced 8-bit Donkey Kong barrels.

“Hate Bein' Sober”, the album’s forthcoming single, is the catchiest moment and perhaps the most pop-focused song Keef’s ever made. It features 50 Cent, who sounds at home for the first time on a pop-rap hit since “I Get Money”. Out of the handful of big names on Finally Rich, 50's appearance makes the most intuitive sense: Keef built his mystique, in part, on the idea that he was ”, and 50 was the first rapper to overtly sell himself as an unkillable Terminator-like figure. His patented sing-song sloganeering sounds current again here, maybe because Get Rich or Die Tryin' came out when Keef was in elementary school and is part of his basic musical vocabulary.

Speaking of which: Chief Keef isn’t a lyricist. At all. His lyrics on Finally Rich are almost entirely composed of rudimentary gangsta-rap boilerplate, which he treats more like a graffiti bomber than a rapper, tagging his beats with slogans meant for maximum impact and minimal scrutiny. If there’s anything the odd jumble of industry rappers who show up on Finally Rich share, it’s this casual approach to lyrics. French Montana, who pops up on “Diamonds,” is most famous thus far for literally inventing a word he didn’t even say. And Wiz Khalifa fails to make an impression (as usual) when he drops in on “Hate Bein' Sober”.

Some of the material filling out Finally Rich is already a year old, including the ubiquitous “I Don’t Like” and another of Keef’s earliest YouTube hits, “3Hunna”, which now sports a Rick Ross feature. The album feels, promisingly, like a progress report on Keef’s developing voice rather than a forced “arrival.” This has downsides, as there are amateurish moments where some intervention might have been welcome: “No Tomorrow”’s vocals barely match up with the beat, while “Laughin to the Bank” takes a bassy “HAWH HAWH HAWH” vocal hook and flogs you into submission with it. It feels specifically designed to make older rap fans massage their temples.

But there are also hints of where Keef’s sound could go next: “Kay Kay,” produced by K.E. On The Track, is gentle and pretty, built from rolling piano and airy synths. And “Citgo” is as close to an uplifting song as Keef’s ever written. Produced by Young Ravisu, it floats on New Age synths while Keef sings a warm, sweet melody. The lyrics are still riddled with violence, but the ugliness of the sentiments don’t survive the sunlight of song’s major key. It’s not a redemptive moment, exactly, but it is a transformative one. “ thought I was going to be some kind of motherfuckin’ screw-up or something,” Keef says on the intro to “Ballin,” in a clip taken from an interview. “They thought I was going to be like, bad all my life … I gotta job now, I gotta daughter too.” On an album single-mindedly devoted to painting Keef as pitiless and cold, it’s a brief glint of the dimensions this ruthlessly effective album barely touches on.

I swear this messageboard wouldn't exist if not for P-fork.

I barely need to post anymore, doggie

Pitchfork proves my point, like, always

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>I barely need to post anymore, doggie

Somehow I think you'll find in yourself to post a few more times here.

SHUT THE FUCK UP! IF I CATCH ANUTHA NIGGA TALKIN SHIT ABOUT CHIEF KEEF, I'M BEATIN THEY ASS!

i'm seriously trying to get it.

It eludes me.

More than it's ever had with any actual rap-focused magazine or website. People here care too much about the opinion of people who they have labelled ignorant of the art form and culture.

PFork is the most influential music review site today. Of course it will have prominence in discussions.

no one's head is exploding with this. It's a fairly safe rating from PFork.

at some lounge in nyc, that shits on my bucket list for real... he shits on good albums then praises this? This dude is hurtin' the game with this nonsense

And are indicative of what the hipster community is thinking

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If you're wanting to kick someone's ass because they praised an album you hate, you might probably have some issues and likely need to prioritize things in your life.

surprised they stuck to the music mostly (looks @ Game review lmao)

It's too easy....

They are literally caricatures at this point

but then they give Nas 8.3 so they must love that classic NY rap

and then KRIT is averaging a good 7.5 out of them so they must likethat new southern rap

and kendrick got a 9.5 so they must love that new conscious, west coast hip hop

seems like this is just another case of "pitchfork gives a good review to an album lesson likes/bad review to an album they dislike" and the lesson loves pitchfork, but "pitchfork gives a bad review to an album lesson likes/good review to an album they dislike" and the lesson hates pitchfork.

They weren't going to give him a bad review.

They owe him for that dumbass, gimmick driven interview

Its pathetic hipsterism at its worst


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Like I said...boiling it down to such simplicity is cool and all...But from where I'm coming from, I'm not playing that game...

people arguing with the voice inside their own head.

>people arguing with the voice inside their own head.


No...

Some folks are just calling a spade a spade...And again...Keef is not to blame for this...He's just a baby....

I'm giving the side-eye to grown ass folks who have no stake in my community which is going through hell right now with senseless violence...

Fuck all this contrarian, above-it-all bullshit...No offense...and with all due respect as always....

2Chainz is literally a fake identity

Chief Keef point guns at cops and laughs at dead kids.

They have nothing in common.

Pitchfork decided to give Keef a positive review the instant
they decided to interview him at a gun range. If that isn't
silly hipster pandering to "real shit" than I don't know what is.



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but I don't follow that subgenre so I'm not sure what the gunrange stuff you're speaking of is all about. But, case in point, he tried to generalize that P4 gave him a good review because they like that style of rap, and I retorted with a bad review from that style.

Keef can piss in a cup over a beat and hipsters would
laud it for being "real." That's the point. Its not about
how good Keef is/isn't. He sucks. He's relevant because he
laughs at dead kids.

This is why Pitchfork interviews him at a gun range.
He's probably never fucking been to one, and neither have
the people at Pitchfork. They did that to play on his "realness."

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Yeah, that dude is not comparable to 2 Chainz. I mean, musically they both rap about dumb shit, but Keef is way too into living the life and promoting the dumb shit he does, all 2 Chainz does is rap about shit feminists will be in a stink about. Both ignorant, but in a fight I'm rooting for Chainz to beat the hell out of this clown.

It's a shame where we are at now. A decade and even more ago parents were afraid that kid's would hear rappers talking about doing drugs, killing people, etc and try and emulate it in order to become a rapper, when really we realized we just had to talk about that shit not live it. Now Keef is making kids think they gotta be about this life, post videos on youtube to prove it, and rap about it in order to be cool.

Fuck this dude for real.

>Yeah, that dude is not comparable to 2 Chainz. I mean,
>musically they both rap about dumb shit, but Keef is way too
>into living the life and promoting the dumb shit he does, all
>2 Chainz does is rap about shit feminists will be in a stink
>about. Both ignorant, but in a fight I'm rooting for Chainz to
>beat the hell out of this clown.
>
>It's a shame where we are at now. A decade and even more ago
>parents were afraid that kid's would hear rappers talking
>about doing drugs, killing people, etc and try and emulate it
>in order to become a rapper, when really we realized we just
>had to talk about that shit not live it. Now Keef is making
>kids think they gotta be about this life, post videos on
>youtube to prove it, and rap about it in order to be cool.
>
>Fuck this dude for real.



But here's the thing Oak.....Keef shouldn't be made out to be the villain in this. That kid just turned 17....He's living in an area that is basically the wild wild west....Hell,just last night 10 people including 4 teenagers, were shot on the streets of the Chi...

This is where Keef comes from...

My anger is directed towards my media brethren and record industry adults who should know better than to be championing this shit...The people making lazy comparisons on some "He's no different than Ice Cube circa 1990" cop out bullshit....

Fuck all those people....Keef is just a pawn...

But given the power of the internet with YouTube and shit, does Keef really need a good rating from Pitchfork to put out his "message"?

And that's the real shame.

>But given the power of the internet with YouTube and shit,
>does Keef really need a good rating from Pitchfork to put out
>his "message"?

I have little problem with ignorant kid X or Y being popular
for whatever dumbass reason. That's the way the internet is.
You can build a following because you make weird shapes with
your mouth, can fart out of year ears, etc.

Pitchfork/Hipsters-Guiness types and everyone in THIS
POST above 21 years old praising this shit are the real
problem, because of instead of having the self esteem to
simply call Keef what he is--a horrible rapper who built
an internet following by laughing at death and making
homoerotic youtube videos--they actually call him a
good RAPPER and don't HONESTLY EVALUATE HIS MUSIC.

^THAT is the problem.

Note: IF CHIEF KEEF was NICE ON THE MIC, this would
be a different conversation. Whether I approved of his
lifestyle or not, he'd be good at his craft and so I'd
have nothing to say about his MUSIC.

But he's not good at rap. The reason that the best producers
want to work with Keef is because he laughs at dead kids.
He's "real and authentic." \

I grew up on pac, biggie, wu, mobb deep, dogg pound, dre, outkast and any 90's hip hop act you can find. And I think Chief Keef is legitimately dope and so is the album. There are songs here that are instant classics (Love Sosa, I Don't Like, Hate Bein Sober etc...). Dude obviously has both talent and the 'it' factor.

Labeling grown ups who listen to this as 'hipsters' is wrong. You don't think it couldn't just be that your music tastes are irrelevant and that ya'll don't really have a grasp of or a proper ear for newer rap music? I mean this forum still seems obsessed with flabby, sick and irrelevant neo-soul artists. Rap has always been about what's new and relevant. Dudes are in here trying to justify their hatred of Chief Keef's (dope) music...I think you guys probably just don't understand it. Maybe you outgrew rap, maybe your head isn't in it anymore and maybe you shouldn't be commenting on chief keef cause you don't get him or the music.

This is a dope album and probably going down as a classic. And thats coming from someone who's not a hipster at all, just a rap head. Anyway those are my 2 cents.

>I grew up on pac, biggie, wu, mobb deep, dogg pound, dre,
>outkast and any 90's hip hop act you can find. And I think
>Chief Keef is legitimately dope and so is the album. There are
>songs here that are instant classics (Love Sosa, I Don't Like,
>Hate Bein Sober etc...). Dude obviously has both talent and
>the 'it' factor.



Hey...u like what you want....Not everyone has good taste...Hell, there's some shit I like that people would look at me crazy for digging...

But I'm confident with saying that Keef sucks...And this has nothing to do with be being a poster on the Lesson...But if it stopped there, I wouldn't care...Because we are all entitled to like bullshit...

What disturbs me is the the lack of talent mixed with the pure celebration of uncut violence and ignorance attached to things and hallmarks that have little to do with the music itself...

>Hey...u like what you want....Not everyone has good
>taste...Hell, there's some shit I like that people would look
>at me crazy for digging...


How you gonna say that, then follow it with this?...

>But I'm confident with saying that Keef sucks...


Cmon man. Just repeat that first part back to yourself.



>What disturbs me is the the lack of talent



You don't see his talent. People calling dude's album classic on some purely musical merit. Yall are
being stubborn because of the following...

>mixed with the pure
>celebration of uncut violence and ignorance attached to things
>and hallmarks that have little to do with the music itself...


And again, reply 134. I hear you on that, but that's not the music. The youth has BEEN rocking to
artists talking this kind of shit who claim to be real. The next logical step is for one of them
to actually be real. If you weren't trippin about Ross, Gucci, Jeezy, etc, you lookin' real suspect right now.
The violence and shit is disgusting, but the music is being discussed in and of itself. If you wanna discuss
how the music affects society and all that shit, you got alotta upping of past posts to do, because yall niggas
been sleepin' like muhfucka.

There's no contradiction...Let me break it down for you...

On an artistic/talent level, Keef is horrible...He makes 2 Chainz sound like Kendrick Lamar...And like I said, if it was that cut and dry then this would be the end of the discussion...But it's not....Because it's become way bigger than just the music...

On a big picture level (beyond the music itself) Keef has come to symbolize a lot of the bullshit that disturbs me about our society and entertainment today...As well as the issues I have with the music industry itself and the media (of which I'm a part of) covering it...

It's a largely white media outlet taking a 16 year old to a gun range....

It's Interscope allowing a 16 year old boy to publicly applaud the death of a gang related rival amid a blood bath in MY hometown...

It's music fans being enamored by the same kid's troubled story of pulling guns out on cops and running the streets of the Chi, which is now caught up in a senseless, bloody war...And that same kid not having the actual talent to make such issues moot like Snoop or 50 Cent did in the past...

I take offense to Keef being the poster boy of the Drill Music scene...I take offense to Keef being the face of Chicago hip-hop...But I'll say it again...I don't blame the kid because he doesn't know better...He's just a baby...

I blame the music industry suits, the *white* publications, grown ass black folks and blogging hipsters that trumpet such uber ignorance when for many like myself it hits too close to home...

I don't have time to be a Contrarian...I don't have time to be wishy washy or academic...I got lil cousins Keef's age caught up in the system and gang life in Chicago....I've been to too many funerals of people shot just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time...

Maybe to you this is just all about music...

But to me its personal...

You're passionate about this, but you think you're the only one. What I'm telling you is that I've
been passionate about this shit a long time... way before Chief Keef. It didn't take teens dying in
my hometown to get me here. I'm telling you I've been on these boards saying the SAME shit you're saying
right now... but where were you? Where were you to talk about how the violence in our music is affecting
the youth? So as you blame white publications and Interscope records, you have to add yourself to that list,
because silence among us is the biggest culprit. Somebody inspired Keef. Where was the outrage then?
This shit didn't come outta nowhere.

The reason I keep saying this is about music is because all the talk about how it's bad for the kids fell on
deaf ears. You have a voice for a notable publication though. Use it. Nobody joined me in that fight though.
Everybody brushed that shit off until it became apparent without a shadow of doubt that YES the kids are dying
behind this shit. While you're disgusted with Interscope and Pitchfork, I'm disgusted with my
brothas and sistas for waiting til the shit went this far.

On another note, people were wrong when they said kids aren't being shaped by this bullshit music, but
they're right when they say this is a music discussion board. *shrugs*

>You're passionate about this, but you think you're the only
>one. What I'm telling you is that I've
>been passionate about this shit a long time... way before
>Chief Keef. It didn't take teens dying in
>my hometown to get me here. I'm telling you I've been on
>these boards saying the SAME shit you're saying
>right now... but where were you? Where were you to talk about
>how the violence in our music is affecting
>the youth? So as you blame white publications and Interscope
>records, you have to add yourself to that list,
>because silence among us is the biggest culprit. Somebody
>inspired Keef. Where was the outrage then?
>This shit didn't come outta nowhere.
>
>The reason I keep saying this is about music is because all
>the talk about how it's bad for the kids fell on
>deaf ears. You have a voice for a notable publication though.
> Use it. Nobody joined me in that fight though.
>Everybody brushed that shit off until it became apparent
>without a shadow of doubt that YES the kids are dying
>behind this shit. While you're disgusted with Interscope and
>Pitchfork, I'm disgusted with my
>brothas and sistas for waiting til the shit went this far.
>
>On another note, people were wrong when they said kids aren't
>being shaped by this bullshit music, but
>they're right when they say this is a music discussion board.
>*shrugs*


Respect....

I'll even say the songs you mentioned are in fact, hits. But, plenty of talentless artists have hits. They usually fizzle out though...especially when the money comes.

Other posters are quite upset at Keef for non-musical reasons. While valid, this is basically pointless to me. Why? Because, as others have mentioned, its the same criticism of previous acts in history.

Fact is, Chief Keef does not have years of paid dues under his belt. It's clearly evident in his lack of true identity. The production is OBVIOUSLY carrying him. He is OBVIOUSLY emulating various rappers. For anyone who's tried to rap, they'll admit they sounded like Rapper X at 16...so this isn't even a fault really. Just an observation. This will comeback to haunt him. This is why i do not think it's a good idea when rappers come fresh off inception into "Stardom". It waters down the rap game.

Anyway...his musical skillset leaves me empty. It's completely boring and might even be the catalyst that drives this trap (or drill) sound into the ground. GOOD! Literally everyone is on the same shit (Minus SOME older rappers, Danny Brown & TDE).

Frontin' like this is a "classic" however is borderline ban-worthy.

You can hit any high school in the city nearest to
you, take its 8th best rapper and make an album this
good, given the same producers.

Meaning: The only thing Keef contributes to this music
is his street cred and criminal background.

He's not an actual rapper. He's an internet figure who
people are going to make money off of because of the
street rep.

Its true.

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>
>You can hit any high school in the city nearest to
>you, take its 8th best rapper and make an album this
>good, given the same producers.
>
>Meaning: The only thing Keef contributes to this music
>is his street cred and criminal background.
>
>He's not an actual rapper. He's an internet figure who
>people are going to make money off of because of the
>street rep.
>
>Its true.
>

JUST.NOT.GOOD

it's like dude didn't even try
i kind of blame young chop. keef was NEVER a good rapper but at least on songs like john madden and i don't like the beats were fresh and carried the song. some of the beats on here are AWFUL. the awful rapping just makes it too much to bare
this nigga can't even make a good chorus and he's drill/trap rapper
choruses should be his expertise. omg laughing to the bank has the worst chorus i've heard in a minute
some of the songs are so bad it has me questioning the integrity of the guest artists
like how did rick ross hear keef verse and decide he had to be on that song?
the person above that said keef's weed carriers will have better careers is absolutely right
so far keef sounds like he is EASILY the worst rapper out of his own crew
i'm still looking forward to the lil reese and lil durk material
i just hope this dude hasn't hurt their momentum with this album
i was wondering how this dude went from the apex of his internet buzz to released album in like 4 months, the cycle is normally longer than that
his label must have knew they had to strike while the iron was still relatively hot before he released too much material and fucked up his buzz

the latest rapper playing on his criminal credentials. rap is not new to this.

not saying this isnt a new nadir, it definitely IS, and EVERYONE is culpable, but just saying dont act like this is brand new. when snoop's murder charges were being played up, there was debate about gangs in LA, when 50s survival after being shot was being played up, there was outrage about street life being used as a cheap advertising technique, when jeezy came out, there was disgust that he could be so cold and almost proud of selling drugs. keef has just taken it to a new low. hes taken rap fans' thirst for reality up a notch.

whats happening in chicago is clearly real, but so was what was happening in LA in 93 and so on.

add in odd future, waka, gucci, em, tupac, wu, NWA and countless others who have used some strain of "authenticity" to add gravitas and excitement to their persona. the culprits that cultural critics cry about may changed--evil hiphop, evil rappers, evil record companies, evil hipsters--but it's the exact same shit. seeing people who claim to love hip-hop resorting to the same arguments as c delores tucker and bill o'reilly makes my skin crawl.

but older people aren't supposed to approve of what teenagers listen to, so it's not surprising former rap fans are willing to discount keef's music and so eager to parrot the bullshit that people have said about rap for 30 years.

edit: i disagree with the "nadir" part. people always say the newest guy is the worst yet. snoop and gucci actually killed people, man.

Not sure what's so complicated:

Keef laughs at dead kids, is on house arrest and sucks
as a rapper. The only reason he is relevant is because
of the crimes, because his raps are horrible. Not
debatable.

50 got shot 9 times, laughed about robbing people and
does not suck. 'Power of the Dollar' had some outstanding
songs, by any standard -- shot, or not. 'Get Rich' was
a solid B+ debut, and I mean that from a rap perspective.

Snoop was on 'The Chronic' before the murder case.
'Doggystyle'came out before the murder cause. Snoop was
on 'The Chronic' because he's fucking dope. The murder case
and persona made him a *celebrity*, but aren't what got him a
record deal.

You're a pathetic excuse for a hipster -- stop worrying
about the opinions on the music and listen to the music.
Chief Keef sucks. He sucks. He sucks. He sucks. Just admit
it. All that other shit is hipster insecurity.

On some mid-life crisis, "I still got it, because I listen to who the kids like!" shit.

Even going as far as mentioning this little dickhead alongside some past greats who didn't suck at rapping.

i haven't even given an opinion on keef, hoss.

and sorry, but your opinion of keef's music is irrelevant to how he's been cast as the latest chapter in the OMG SCARY VIOLENT RAPPERS debate that has been looping for three decades. it's also identical to the "hiphop isn't music" argument that social conservatives and racists have always used to diminish rap as a legitimate art form. so congrats on keeping up with the proud tradition spouted in newsweek's "rap rage" article.

I'm not going to defend him just because he raps. I don't care what socially conservative "rap haters" think about anything anyway, they can't tell the difference between this kid and Rakim. All of it is just noise to them, and they have zero grasp of hip hop and never will get it.

I don't really care about all that. He's terrible at rapping. Really terrible. That's really all I care about. Grown rap fans should know better, IMO.

>I'm not going to defend him just because he raps. I don't
>care what socially conservative "rap haters" think about
>anything anyway, they can't tell the difference between this
>kid and Rakim. All of it is just noise to them, and they have
>zero grasp of hip hop and never will get it.
>
>I don't really care about all that. He's terrible at rapping.
> Really terrible. That's really all I care about. Grown rap
>fans should know better, IMO.

Any rap fan should know better. Not just grownups.



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everyone can like what they like.

i just think taste is arbitrary, so i'm uncomfortable with the idea that we should decide what gets defended and what doesn't based on redemptive (or whatever) qualities. NWA's second album was a zillion times more violent and misogynistic that keef, but it's okay to defend it because it was "good" by the standards of 30 year olds? c'mon, that doesn't make sense.

>everyone can like what they like.
>
>i just think taste is arbitrary, so i'm uncomfortable with the
>idea that we should decide what gets defended and what doesn't
>based on redemptive (or whatever) qualities. NWA's second
>album was a zillion times more violent and misogynistic that
>keef, but it's okay to defend it because it was "good" by the
>standards of 30 year olds? c'mon, that doesn't make sense.

So your arguments have decomposed into "well, people are
going to like what they like because taste is arbitrary"

"Well, opinions are subjective, so I'm not sure why your
opinion should matter more than mine??

Bwhahahahahahahhahahahahahaha



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Skills are skills. He doesn't have them. That's not opinion or arbitrary, that's just what it is. He's bad at rapping, anyone who knows rap music should be able to recognize that.

I'm not having a discussion about "skills" in 2012.

with the actual music.

you're the one talking about "skills," not music. if those things are interchangeable to you, we're obviously not going to agree on anything.

>you're the one talking about "skills," not music. if those
>things are interchangeable to you, we're obviously not going
>to agree on anything.


Well...how about replacing "skills" with the word "talent"? Does that work for you? But that convo is a bit trivial, right?

That's not the debate we should be having...I could care less if people like horrible rappers...There's a more important debate to be had...

>i haven't even given an opinion on keef, hoss.
>

OK, so give one. Does he rap well?

You can make up all these dramatic narratives all you want about what I'm doing but it really doesn't apply. All I'm saying is he's wack. Period.

He hasn't admitted yet, because like most hipsters, he's
as interested in how his opinion interacts with other
opinions as he is the music itself. So he has to be sure
that his opinion is nuanced enough so as to not come across
like the opinions of the people he likes to criticize.

He *wants* to like it, so that he can feel original
and progressive for seeing the beauty in it, feeling
like he still "got it" as you alluded to.

(this same logic is why Pitchfork interviews Keef at
a gun range; that's artistic and chic to them)

Sad, because he'd be truly original if he just said
"this sucks." That's what all the smart people in here
are saying, because they're secure enough that they
don't need to worry about anything but their opinion on
the music.




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Aren't you a little bit disgusted with yourself for using the issue of gun violence as troll fodder?

Are you disgusted with yourself for using a current
event to try to gain leverage against a guy you stalk
on the internet?

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You has a hard time at high school, we get it. Time for you to move on.

I need you to FOCUS

You make this all worthwhile.

: - )

PS: You really are out of line using the
current event in that way. We been talking
about gun violence in this post for days.
Shame on you, mad stalker, you


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Happiness will only come to you when you hit 40,000. Post on!

If you keep stalking, I'll reply to every one
of your replies and be at 40K in a few weeks

Like I said: I need you UPBEAT and FOCUSED

Let's GO!

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>add in odd future, waka, gucci, em, tupac, wu, NWA and
>countless others who have used some strain of "authenticity"
>to add gravitas and excitement to their persona. the culprits
>that cultural critics cry about may changed--evil hiphop, evil
>rappers, evil record companies, evil hipsters--but it's the
>exact same shit. seeing people who claim to love hip-hop
>resorting to the same arguments as c delores tucker and bill
>o'reilly makes my skin crawl.
>
>but older people aren't supposed to approve of what teenagers
>listen to, so it's not surprising former rap fans are willing
>to discount keef's music and so eager to parrot the bullshit
>that people have said about rap for 30 years.
>
>edit: i disagree with the "nadir" part. people always say the
>newest guy is the worst yet. snoop and gucci actually killed
>people, man.


No offense...

But fuck this bullshit post, man....

If only it were that simple, Gum....

.

if you are an adult who has lived thru good hip hop years and you enjoy this I question you as a person... this shit is AWFUL!!! If someone passed you a myspace link 7 years ago to any 1 of these songs y'all wouldve clowned and been disgusted...

it's amazing to me, that in 2012, with the internet and all the options out there that people still allow record labels to dictate what they listen to. There is no other excuse why anyone would choose to listen to this trash, this kid makes soulja boy look like one of the greatest innovators in music history. You want some gangster music go listen to that new wu-block

>if you are an adult who has lived thru good hip hop years

Hip Hop is still good. Where you been?

>and
>you enjoy this I question you as a person...


If you can't understand that music is subjective, I question *you* as a person.

>this shit is
>AWFUL!!! If someone passed you a myspace link 7 years ago to
>any 1 of these songs y'all wouldve clowned and been
>disgusted...


Woulda fucked with it then too.

>it's amazing to me, that in 2012, with the internet and all
>the options out there that people still allow record labels to
>dictate what they listen to.


Record labels? I heard about dude on here.


>There is no other excuse why
>anyone would choose to listen to this trash

Other than them just liking different shit from what you like. That really is ok, fam. Breathe.


>this kid makes
>soulja boy look like one of the greatest innovators in music
>history.


Never really got into Soulja Boy


>You want some gangster music go listen to that new
>wu-block

Shoot me some links to the songs you diggin'.

This been outted as shitty

He's laughs at dead kids and points guns at cops

That's why he is relevant at all

He's not a rapper

Now if I was a producer I'd be giving him my BEST BEATS too

Because of all the buzz around his criminality

But as a rapper he's horrid

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Nobody is saying hip-hop is not good TODAY...Just because we think Keef sucks doesn't mean the scene today is lacking...

There is some really good hip-hop out right now....

Chill with the strawman talk, homie...

As if to hate Keef means we have EVERYTHING out today

LOL

Nah

Keef just sucks

They need to get over it

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>Nobody is saying hip-hop is not good TODAY...Just because we
>think Keef sucks doesn't mean the scene today is lacking...


I know YOU aren't saying that... which is why this reply wasn't for you. But ol' boy just said that.
"If you're an older person who's lived through good Hip Hop years" as if only older people have seen
those. "Go check out that Wu Block" as if all older cats have to like the same thing. What he
was saying was pretty clear.

What I've seen stated in here multiple times though, is that something is wrong with anyone who doesn't
think he sucks as an artist. I find that view contradictory to the concept of musical subjectivity.
Niggas really in here thinking they're the authority on good music. Laughable.

If you like good music, you don't like it.

If you like music because its author laughs at
dead kids, was on house arrest and has "street cred"
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and someone just randomly gave you this it would shock me that anyone would like this... there are million kids making this same low quality shit all over the place

>>Nobody is saying hip-hop is not good TODAY...Just because
>we
>>think Keef sucks doesn't mean the scene today is lacking...
>
>
>I know YOU aren't saying that... which is why this reply
>wasn't for you. But ol' boy just said that.
>"If you're an older person who's lived through good Hip Hop
>years" as if only older people have seen
>those. "Go check out that Wu Block" as if all older cats have
>to like the same thing. What he
>was saying was pretty clear.
>
>What I've seen stated in here multiple times though, is that
>something is wrong with anyone who doesn't
>think he sucks as an artist. I find that view contradictory
>to the concept of musical subjectivity.
>Niggas really in here thinking they're the authority on good
>music. Laughable.
>

or if you even like what they're now calling "Drill Rap". Personally, I've been listening to
it for a while. Some artists I like and some I don't. Keef happens to be one that I think does a good
job at it. It's really that simple.
Btw, I checked out that Wu Block and it's ill.

Is that them niggas is 40 talking about cocaine and bustin' guns while yall mad at Chief Keef for being
the student of idols like these. Like I said, this shit goes straight to alotta these kid's heads.
This comment is specifically for you, because you're taking up the fight now. Feel free to address the violence
and destruction in this Wu Block shit too.

>Is that them niggas is 40 talking about cocaine and bustin'
>guns while yall mad at Chief Keef for being
>the student of idols like these.

The *only* reason Chief Keef is a relevant rapper is
because he laughs at dead kids, points firearms at police,
and was on house arrest. That's it. Nobody listens to his
music, watches his youtube videos if this wasn't true.

I'm a huge Ghostface fan, still have no idea what he's
done/hasn't done in the crime world, take most of his crime
stories as complete fiction. Same with Styles. Same with Kiss.

The reason we care about Wu-Block is because the beats and
rhymes are hot.

The reason we care about Chief Keef is that he has "real
street cred."


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>The reason we care about Chief Keef is that he has "real
>street cred."

Because that's all you keep saying in response to anything I say. I listen to music, so speak for yourself.

>>The reason we care about Chief Keef is that he has "real
>>street cred."
>
>Because that's all you keep saying in response to anything I
>say. I listen to music, so speak for yourself.

Nobody cares about his youtube videos without the
back story.

Nobody cares about his music without the story.

He's not signed if he doesn't laugh at dead kids

That's why he has a deal

That's why good producers want to work with him

He's a D-level rapper, tops.

Without the crime story, he's just a random
Chi kid in a gang, barely alive (sadly)

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I get what you're saying.

Cool story.

I get what you're saying.

Cool story.

...if it weren't for the beats, no one would be talking about this kid. Even Gucci an'nem got something about them that's catchy, even if they're not really lyrical. This nigga ain't even on THEIR level. Even Soulja Boy got SOME redeeming qualities. This nigga has none. His beats are carrying him something serious. I can't see how any of these older niggas can even ride for this cat.




Since 1976

because of what he did with the beat.

>...if it weren't for the beats, no one would be talking about
>this kid.

that sharp punchy flow and the hook did take it to another level though

Although the descending piano is cool. It's my favorite song of his to date though, because of how he
bitch-smacked that beat.

that is all

Horrible.

Nigga is extra trash on the mic.

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/12/first-week-sales-projections-for-ti-and-chief-keef-are-in

I really didn't expect him to hit big numbers as a result. And you're right, that nigga is extra trash. I can't believe anyone is cosigning his drivel. Like, the nigga ain't even clever. Even Gucci an'nem are somewhat clever.




Since 1976

>Nigga is extra trash on the mic.
>
>http://www.complex.com/music/2012/12/first-week-sales-projections-for-ti-and-chief-keef-are-in


On the real, I don't wish no harm on the young boy...Remember, he just turned 17...Keef's music is not the issue...It was the media groundswell behind it...I hope he grows as an artist. I hope he becomes a better lyricist...And I hope he has the right people surrounding him...

did that dude get a check though?

is that even a rap track?

Like, I can't even wrap my head around the fact that anyone would take that joint serious. That nigga has to be trolling. The reason he'd be laughing to the bank is because he can't believe he suckered that many folks into buying his product.




Since 1976

Dude is not talented at all.

U kinda late with that line, homie...

Nm

i dont like is a fucking classic no matter what anyone says and i prob need to hear the album before i say this but keef doesnt exactly seem like a guy with his eye on a long term rap career. no wonder theyve speeded the album out in time for christmas (wonder how many stockings keef will be in), they know they need to get it out while hes hot. i think they could actually have made a half decent album out of him with more time, something that played well to his limited skills, or something good built around what he can do, to prove that perhaps there is a bit more to him than we think, but i guess his profile is too big right now, and they wanted to cash in. but the industry needs one hit wonders. personally i cant see keef going the distance, he reminds me most of jeezy, highly controversial beginning, but then a slow dwindling of interest. i mean, does anyone care much about jeezy in 2012? i dont see it.

4 platinum and one gold
Just nominated for a Grammy
Just dropped a Mixtape with a potential radio hit.
Poor analogy

Still sells a lot of albums, is all over the radio, and seems to be touring consistently. He's getting more money than ever, I imagine.

Perhaps GumDrops means he's no longer controversial? Which is true. Back in 05, the big stink was Jeezy's snowman t-shirt and the image of a drug dealer he was presenting. Wasn't quite as sensationalized as Keef, of course, because a 16 year old's story will always be more juicy. Since then Jeezy's nestled into a nice career,

when jeezy came out, this board was up in arms, as people are now about keef, but that all seems to have been forgotten/forgiven now. jeezys built up a pretty respectable career. but hes not exactly that much better as an mc. its just that the furore over him has died down. so i imagine, even though i think keef isnt too great as a rapper (i thought the same about jeezy when he came out, and im sure plenty others did), he might end up with a similar career. they are really similar in a lot of ways. the moral controversy will fade, keef will prob get a bit better as a rapper, and hell build up a solid string of albums.

of course, the question is whether people would prefer to see him crash and burn (i imagine a lot of his fans would like him to go to prison for life or die or something similarly dramatic for extra authenticity), or whether people, even those who hate him, would like to see him 'redeem' himself...

>when jeezy came out, this board was up in arms, as people are
>now about keef, but that all seems to have been
>forgotten/forgiven now. jeezys built up a pretty respectable
>career. but hes not exactly that much better as an mc. its
>just that the furore over him has died down.


That's not true...at all...lol

Early on Jeezy was all catch phrases....He def. became a better rapper and made an effort to improve lyrically in his genre...


so i imagine,
>even though i think keef isnt too great as a rapper (i thought
>the same about jeezy when he came out, and im sure plenty
>others did), he might end up with a similar career. they are
>really similar in a lot of ways. the moral controversy will
>fade, keef will prob get a bit better as a rapper, and hell
>build up a solid string of albums.
>
>of course, the question is whether people would prefer to see
>him crash and burn (i imagine a lot of his fans would like him
>to go to prison for life or die or something similarly
>dramatic for extra authenticity), or whether people, even
>those who hate him, would like to see him 'redeem' himself...

Keef just needs to get better and stop relying on the bullshit SCARY YOUNG NIGGA AND WHITE HIPSTERS WET DREAM fuel to get him by...

For all of Jeezy's Snowman propaganda, he saw that it wasn't something that was going to give him longevity...

So he improved as a rapper and made songs that went well beyond drug dealing...He showed talent IN HIS LANE...

Keef needs to do the same...But that starts with having the right people around him...As of now, the kid has to worry about his legal issues and not getting shot in the Chi...

and still going strong.

>i dont like is a fucking classic no matter what anyone says
>and i prob need to hear the album before i say this but keef
>doesnt exactly seem like a guy with his eye on a long term rap
>career. no wonder theyve speeded the album out in time for
>christmas (wonder how many stockings keef will be in), they
>know they need to get it out while hes hot. i think they could
>actually have made a half decent album out of him with more
>time, something that played well to his limited skills, or
>something good built around what he can do, to prove that
>perhaps there is a bit more to him than we think, but i guess
>his profile is too big right now, and they wanted to cash in.
>but the industry needs one hit wonders. personally i cant see
>keef going the distance, he reminds me most of jeezy, highly
>controversial beginning, but then a slow dwindling of
>interest. i mean, does anyone care much about jeezy in 2012? i
>dont see it.


U r right in terms of the EARLY Jeezy comparisons....But let's not get silly here...

Keef can only dream of having the career that Jeezy has had...I'm not even a huge Jeezy fan like (I will admit that he has gotten much better as an MC...He used to be little than a catch phrase rapper...) But dude actually has hit singles and a couple of platinum albums in a age where going platinum is rare in the music biz, especially in hip-hop...

If Keef can have half the career that Jeezy has had then he will have the last laugh...This is, however, less than likely...

i dont like is classic obv (anyone who denies that is being churlish at this point) but beyond that... its well sequenced, well structured and gets top marks for consistency in terms of mood/message/sonics (its like they purposely made it sound extra un-worked on, for extra bedroom rapper/producer authenticity), but i got bored quickly.

i can see how some easily impressionable writers/listeners might think this to be some high masterpiece of laissez faire/not giving a shit nihilism but its on the wrong side of not giving a shit imo (flockaveli would be on the right side).

and spin magazine called it the best rap album of the year! wtf/lol/sadface.

he makes this album really good. theres a much wider range of moods than you might expect from a keef album. keef doesnt really say anything new or say old stuff in a new way but he does have a lot of energy. and i kinda wish more first time rappers got to make albums like this - that catered to who they are as personalities. 2 chainz album should have been better for example.

This shit sucks. Delete it and move on to something
good.

im not saying keef is a great mc or that this is a classic album, just that its not complete trash. its well done for what it is.

i also (still) find it funny how a lot of people that loved albums like the chronic, doggystyle and so on shit on keef, not for being a shitty mc (ive heard worse) but for his content. im not sure if songs like ratatat for instance are any better or less harmful than keef (and im sure the chronic was much of a favourite with LA gangbangers as much as finally rich is with teen gangmembers from chicago).

the thing that i can see as being different this time is that where before you had people outside rap criticising snoop and dre (as well as older/conscious hip hop heads from inside) from government, c delores tucker and so on, this time the outsider contingent dont seem to care! so its good that rap's internal police are still keeping watch, but maybe rap just isnt that 'scary' to anyone outside it anymore. something for today's rappers to work on...

the other good songs are non-youngchop beats(laughin' to the bank & citgo)
as far as 2chainz, at first i was underwhelmed by it by the huge singles make it enjoyable
"no lie" "birthday song" "i'm different" are huge party records, it doesn't matter about the other songs, he's just not an 'album artist', but flexes a little 'freedom' on the mixtapes

this guy used to write for various rap mags so he cant be written off as a hipster...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/arts/music/chicago-hip-hops-raw-burst-of-change.html?_r=0&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1359119036-4+QwmThh92ADi+NP8nWdiA

Chicago Hip-Hop’s Raw Burst of Change
By JON CARAMANICA

THE defining document of hip-hop’s current evolutionary state isn’t a song, or a music video or a concert. Years from now cultural archaeologists will do much better to look back over the Twitter account of the 17-year-old Chicago rapper Chief Keef, who’s been exploding, or imploding, depending on how you look at it, one short burst of text at a time.

Last month Lil JoJo, an aspiring rapper who had a feud with Chief Keef, was murdered, and afterward a message that appeared to be mocking his death was posted on Chief Keef’s Twitter account. Amid an ensuing outcry, he later suggested that his account had been hacked and proceeded to fill it up with a stream of uplifting aphorisms that were the opposite of his usual boasts, as if he had actually been hacked, but by Oprah Winfrey or Joel Osteen.

Around the same time Chief Keef, who has spent much of this year under house arrest because of gun charges, threatened the older Chicago rapper Lupe Fiasco, who in a fit of reckoning the previous week expressed grievous concerns about the younger rapper’s nihilistic music. Keef threatened on Twitter to “smack him like da lil bitch he is.” Again, after an outcry, he said his account had been hacked. Finally, also last month, Chief Keef was relieved of his Instagram account after posting, also to Twitter, a photo of himself receiving oral sex from a woman.

By any measure, this is raw, difficult-to-consume stuff. That it’s coming from one of hip-hop’s most promising young stars newly signed to a major label makes it unusually scandalous. But what’s most surprising about the situation is that it highlights the vast gap between Chief Keef and the rest of hip-hop, at least its mainstream, popular incarnation.

This atavistic behavior highlights a sea change long in the making. Hip-hop has long been associated with unvarnished truth, both by insiders looking to traffic in supposed authenticity and shock value and by critics looking to keep it at arm’s length from polite society. But that’s an outmoded value in contemporary hip-hop, which skews heavily toward the triumphant, the fantastical and the unattainable — Drake and 2 Chainz talking about stealing girlfriends, Rick Ross boasting about wealth and so on. No one’s struggling, everyone’s celebrating.

What’s notable about Chief Keef and much of the Chicago music scene that he’s come to symbolize — known locally as drill music — is how those elements are all but absent. With rare exception this music is unmediated and raw and without bright spots, focused on anger and violence. The instinct is to call this tough, unforgiving and concrete-hard music joyless, but in truth it’s exuberant in its darkness. Most of its practitioners are young and coming into their creative own against a backdrop of outrageous violence in Chicago, particularly among young people — dozens of teenagers have been killed in Chicago this year — and often related to gangs. (There’s a long history of overlap between Chicago’s gangs and Chicago’s rap.) That their music is a symphony of ill-tempered threats shouldn’t be a surprise.

Sure, plenty of rap is like this, but rarely, in this era of hip-hop’s full assimilation into the mainstream, does it attract much attention. It’s a surprise that Chief Keef is beginning to gain traction because there’s strikingly little room for what he does in the hip-hop mainstream, which is preoccupied with success and, probably even more impossible for him, melody. Waka Flocka Flame, another rapper who shouts more than raps, and who largely eschews the pop-oriented songwriting that’s now a permanent part of the genre, is his only real peer among current rap stars, and he’s an outlier too.

Chief Keef serves as a reminder of what’s been whitewashed out of the hip-hop mainstream: a sense of the struggle bedeviling the communities that produce much of the music. For someone whose primary exposure to hip-hop comes from terrestrial radio or BET, and whose idea of a mainstream hip-hop star is Drake, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne or even Rick Ross, who turned darker on his most recent album, “God Forgives, I Don’t,” the single-minded roughness of Chief Keef’s music would be almost wholly foreign.

Certainly if he sticks around long enough and becomes even a little successful, the subject matter of his music will change. But for now he’s becoming known for the sort of music that rappers tend to make early in their career, when few people are paying attention. After a long climb that began with a YouTube groundswell, “I Don’t Like,” the collaboration with Lil Reese that’s the defining document of the current Chicago sound — stark, violent, happily unforgiving — has now spent a few months on the Billboard R&B/hip-hop singles chart.

In the Top 50 of the most recent incarnation of that chart not one other song deals directly with the circumstances that Keef and Reese rap about. Mostly the competition is preoccupied with love and seduction and good times that help bury older, more scarring memories. It’s possible the Keef antagonist Lupe Fiasco will disrupt this homogeneity in coming weeks. He just released “Food & Liquor II: The Great American Rap Album Pt. 1” (1st & 15th/Atlantic), a work that, for all its thematic heavy-handedness, at least does not ignore poverty or the American underclass. Lupe Fiasco is a stern and didactic teacher, but it’s arguable that Chief Keef’s music is far better at ringing warning bells.

The last real rap star to make thuggery such a major part of his early-career persona was 50 Cent, during his pre-“In Da Club”-breakthrough mixtape days a decade ago. But even though 50 Cent kept that aura as a central part of his personality, he tempered it from the moment he signed his major-label deal, mixing it in with more female-friendly fare. Fear went only so far as an aesthetic. After Chief Keef’s outrageous stretch on Twitter, 50 Cent reached out to him, also over Twitter, perhaps to offer cautionary tales or maybe to talk strategy.

At the moment Chicago appears to be spilling over with talent, but the fact is plenty of cities are spilling over with talent. Not every city has a spotlight to squander, though.

Chief Keef is the best known of the young generation of Chicago rappers, but he’s not singular. His crew, GBE (Glory Boyz Entertainment), includes Lil Reese and Fredo Santana among others. Lil Reese’s recent mixtape “Don’t Like” is one of the best releases to come from the scene, and Fredo Santana just released a spooky mixtape, “It’s a Scary Site.” A handful of young female rappers balance out the city’s tough heart, including Katie Got Bandz and Sasha Go Hard. Last month Sasha Go Hard performed at Santos Party House with a set that was short, sweet, and tentative — before that trip to New York she’d never been on a plane. Though the young women of Chicago’s drill scene can be as rowdy as their male counterparts, they’re also more diverse in subject matter and point to a possible way forward.

In large part, though, much of the music coming from this world has followed a straightforward template: beats by Young Chop or DJ Kenn, a video by D Gainz. What has set the city apart is its visibility on the Internet. In recent years the city’s hip-hop has been documented and boosted on blogs like Fake Shore Drive and So Many Shrimp, giving it an Internet footprint that’s exponentially broader than its accessibility and popularity in other media. Its rise also reflects an Internet hive mind that has increasingly focused attention on the grittiest corners, the modern version of Alan Lomax’s field recordings.

This sort of outlet wasn’t around in the mid-1990s; otherwise standard-bearing Chicago acts like Crucial Conflict and Do or Die might have been more than regional curios. Now the city is experiencing a small windfall of major label signings — Chief Keef to Interscope, King Louie (now King L) to Epic, Lil Reese and Lil Durk to Def Jam. For a city that despite producing the occasional breakout star like Common or Twista, and, of course, Kanye West, has never had a strong hip-hop infrastructure, this is a startling turn of events.

But it’s Chief Keef’s shoulders on which the lion’s share of the burden falls. He doesn’t make it easy. In interviews he comes off as uninterested or outright dull. For his New York live debut in June, he played a dead-eyed, chaotic set at S.O.B.’s that was part revelation but more consternation. Pitchfork dimwittedly chose to interview him at a gun range; following the Lil Jojo murder, it removed the interview from its Web site and apologized.

It’s mostly on the Internet where Chief Keef is very much alive; he’s been maintaining a robust social media presence throughout the last few months of his ascent. But the one place he’s been largely quiet is in his music, which has slowed to a trickle of late. Now that he has a larger audience to answer to, maybe he’s realized there’s a gap between the rapper he is and the rapper he may have to become.

Chief Keef is the 8th best rapper in your
high school.

That is a fact.

Unless you wan to dispute that, there's nothing
to say.

He's only relevant because he points guns at police.


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.23852/title.george-clinton-compares-chief-keef-to-funkadelic

Funk pioneer George Clinton of Parliament Funkadelic says he loves the Chicago rapper's "I Don't Like."

George Clinton found an interesting musical link. The Funk pioneer said he compares Chief Keef's "I Don't Like" to Funkadelic's "Get Off Your Ass and Jam," a 1975 song Clinton wrote that has been sampled by Public Enemy, Tupac and Schoolly D, among others.

"I love that record," Clinton said of Chief Keef's "I Don't Like" during a VladTV interview. " got the attitude. It's like, 'Shit! God damn! Get off yo' ass and jam!' 'That's that shit I don't like,' and they do it with such conviction."

i don't like the album but he got some dope songs.

3Hunna goes hard when you workin out too. Of course he ain't a dope rapper but some of the songs go.