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165025, Hyped up albums that we completely forgot were hyped up
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 12:13 AM
...mainly because the artist fell off, or never made it big.

Yeah, we talk about a lot of the flops from big artists, or the albums that we say didn't live up to the hype because we still talk about them. Such as a Canibus "C True Hollywood stories" which people will always talk about for this reason.

But it's a lot, especially from the 90's and early 2000's, that had a LOT of hype, and we completely forget because they haven't been mentioned since then. Some of them were actually good/decent albums...just that they didn't live up to the hype.

What are some that you can remember, even if they were more Regional/Local?
165026, Cino Xl, Cassidy and Mausenburg come to mind
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 02:02 PM
Burg died and it was a regional thing, however him and DJ Quik were on it i felt them joints.

alot of cats that never get it right on the mainstream release is because they are burried in there own release or they just don't have the money tracks.

Cassidy is a great example after "Hotel" hit with him and R.Kelly then he got stuck doing that joint with Mary J Bliege. and he never recovered.


165027, Yeaaaaa Chino and Cass for sure. I feel like Hotel changed up his
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 02:15 PM
whole focus and fanbase. I knew he was a battle rapper, but wasn't a fan before...so I heard Hotel and said hell nawwww.

With Mausberg, the album didn't get a whole lot of hype here, but us "hood" folks looooved it. "Get nekkid" was a major hit at the HS and hood clubs, and still gets play at Long Beach type spots
165028, Wait, Chino had a good deal of hype behind him?
Posted by spenzalii, Wed Jul-17-13 12:25 PM
Mind you, I've always been a fan since the Wake Up Show days (and somehow a lot of those freestyles ended up on his albums) and banged his albums pretty regularly. But I can't remember that much push on 'Here To Save You All' despite being on American and with I Told You So getting pushed back so often I can't imagine that did any serious numbers (though it had some kick ass tracks there, the first verse of Nunca is still a personal favorite).

Maybe it was being on the East Coast, or I just missed it. I still ride for him, don't get me wrong, but I don't think the hype quite translated or was shown out here.
165029, the 1st thing I thought of was Sauce Money
Posted by Selah, Tue Jul-16-13 02:07 PM
they ran 40 billion ads for that in The Source
165030, Dammmn yeah he did have buzz back then
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 02:16 PM
165031, that was my pick. album ended up being just solid.
Posted by PROMO, Tue Jul-16-13 02:16 PM
165032, great call on Sauce Money because they were doing it Master P
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 02:57 PM
style with all those ads back then. i think Percy Miller had to have been checking them out or something with the ad campaign going down
165033, knew his album wasn't gonna be good when he didn't sign with the Roc
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Jul-16-13 03:01 PM
165034, "thought you were chinese the way you duck sauce"
Posted by farbod, Fri Jul-19-13 04:34 PM
i'm still hyped.
165035, the video for 4 My Hustlas was shot 10 minutes from my crib
Posted by ChampD1012, Tue Jul-23-13 09:58 AM
back in Columbia, SC...

i thought the album was gonna be good...i was wrong...
165036, Murphy's Law- Murphy Lee
Posted by placee_22, Tue Jul-16-13 02:28 PM
This may be biased since I was in St. Louis when the Lunatics hit, but Murphy Lee had as much hype as anyone in '01/'02.

I can't even remember a song off that album.
165037, "don't blow it" is my fav song on a bad album ever
Posted by Menphyel7, Tue Jul-16-13 02:38 PM
City spud kill the hook. I still say that shit today. I can't even find it on youtube now tho.

Yea that album was awful but that song was banging.
165038, i thought Murphy was going to blow up
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 02:56 PM
i mean he had folks asking about him being a Vegetarian and whatnot like they were deep into his thing like that.

however he came and went without any buzz.

sorta like the same way Loon went on Bad boy as well.
165039, Nah I can see that, with Nelly's hype. People always wanna see who's
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 03:43 PM
up next when somebody comes outta nowhere like that...and people felt like "Murphy can actually Rap!"
165040, Second Choice: Can-I-Bus
Posted by Selah, Tue Jul-16-13 02:37 PM
*shudder*
165041, No one who was alive for that has forgotten how much hype Canibus had.
Posted by micMajestic, Tue Jul-16-13 03:03 PM
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165042, Wyclef was homie's number 1 cheerleader
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 04:19 PM
and the only thing Can I Bus is remembered for is his mix tape diss on LL COOL J. after that dude came and went. Can I Bus was happening for 2 weeks in 98 and then we all forgot about that turkey.
165043, good pick
Posted by makaveli, Thu Jul-18-13 05:20 PM
That album actually has a few good songs in it, but yeah it didn't come close to meeting expectations.
165044, Def Jam was working pretty hard on Joe Budden's 1st solo
Posted by micMajestic, Tue Jul-16-13 03:02 PM
Promo for his album was everywhere (it was initially called "Walk With Me"), and he was supposed to the successor to Jay-Z. They pulled the plug right after he dropped the "Fire" video, but they were busting their collective asses to get his name hot before that. The only misstep imo was not putting out a budget video for "Focus" before dropping "Pump It Up". Jay-Z himself didn't help, as he murdered the "Pump It Up" beat and really made the idea of Budden being Jay's successor look kinda silly.
Def Jam really thought dude was going to be dropping club banger after club banger, it's pretty hilarious in retrospect.
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165045, THIS was the first album I thought of when I made this!
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 03:42 PM
And they were trying to make him the next Jay. Pump it up was great to me, and even with Jay "killing" him on it (which was ALL politics) I feel Budden held it down as a club song...but his other ones like "Fire" ONLY hit in the East Coast. And then he just lost it on that side, started making horrid shit like "Club song" for the club.

And also, 50 Cent being TOO big basically killed any chance he had that year.
165046, yea then Joey came back and killed Jay which pissed him off
Posted by Menphyel7, Tue Jul-16-13 11:55 PM
and then 50 blowing the fuck up and shitting on Joey and Joey label not being behind him and Joey seeming like a depressed asshole didn't help him.

Its amazing that Joey still around making good music tho. HE really had an infulence on these new rappers reinventing yourself with mixtapes and social media.
165047, I remember all of this...
Posted by ramaj1, Tue Jul-16-13 07:29 PM
I remember being shocked at how badly Budden flopped in light of the mega-hit that was Pump It All and the HEAVY promo that the Def Jam machine cranked out.

Yet, in retrospect, it makes sense that Budden never experienced the mainstream validation that DJ thought he would.

Budden, like most of the rappers mentioned in this thread, is technically very talented but doesn't "it".
165048, Promo so hard they got Keith Murray kicked out.
Posted by phemom, Wed Jul-17-13 03:19 PM
Def Jam was doing more work for Joe than him, so Keith threw a fit in the office....then Def Jam let him drop "Candy Bar" and killed what was left of his commercial career.
165049, LOL @ that "Candy bar" shit
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 08:01 PM
165050, Shit was a recycled Rascalz (Canadian rap group song)
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Jul-17-13 08:18 PM
From 2002:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOVGZ3SKJWs

A year later, from Keith Murray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-s0r3GaNrk

And they both stink.

DJ Khalil is great, but what was he thinking with that one??? I'm sure he was trying to get paid, but surely he couldn't have thought was the way...
165051, DJ Khalil did THAT......*mind blown*
Posted by phemom, Mon Jul-22-13 11:50 PM
Before this I didn't know he knew how to make a wack beat....SMH. That's a bad sample choice from the jump, I don't think anyone could not make that sample corny.
165052, 3rd choice: Rass Kass
Posted by Selah, Tue Jul-16-13 04:22 PM
165053, The 98 one with Ghetto Fabulous?
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 05:13 PM
165054, yup
Posted by Selah, Tue Jul-16-13 05:56 PM
165055, I can def see that, I wasn't into him back then so I didn't nkow
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 06:11 PM
165056, Lloyd Banks "The Hunger for More"...50 was still super hot, and the
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 05:30 PM
G-Unit album had dropped...people were all saying "Banks is better than 50!" so he had high expectations.

I think the album was super regular decent okay, basically how most Jada albums are. It for sure didn't make him a star, but wasn't a flop either...so people just forget about it. But it sold a lot, and the singles got a lot of play. I feel that in the future, people who weren't there will see album sales for that time period and be like "damn, Lloyd Banks had something that sold that much??"
165057, funny how the Game had the career that it was though Lloyd Banks
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 05:33 PM
was hyped to have huh?

I Mean Banks was on a buzz and then what?

165058, You're right. Shows that Game leaving G-Unit was the best move
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Jul-17-13 08:05 PM
EVeryone in G-Unit hit a glass ceiling, ensuring they were under 50 Cent. He gave them enough promotion and shine to make them stars, but it was always clear who the captain was and would remain.
165059, i wanna say Lady of Rage
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 05:35 PM
because Afro Puffs and her hype was high for a minute until she ended up doing that gig on the Steve Harvey show. i never understood why she didn't blow up because she could spit.

same goes for Queen Pen. she had some hype for a minute.

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165065, this was next
Posted by Selah, Tue Jul-16-13 05:52 PM
why she didn't blow up: delays/took too long to come out
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165067, Oh no doubt. In my barbershop it was "who's hotter, Juelz vs Budden?"
Posted by micMajestic, Tue Jul-16-13 06:35 PM
>

I'm from Harlem though, Back Like Cooked Crack Vol. 1 was killing the streets at the time. Still a little shocked that he was able to put that album out through Def Jam without dropping a real "radio" single.
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165068, anything LOX related, for me
Posted by Nodima, Tue Jul-16-13 05:54 PM
just a long string of disappointments, it took those three a whole fuckin' decade to figure out how to make dope full length projects. Thank god for mixtapes or Jadakiss' career would've been such a waste of time.


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165069, Jadakiss should have been the Scarface of his era
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 05:58 PM
IMO and the Lox mess was horror and bull
165070, I figure the very first one with Bad Boy had to have major hype, then
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 06:11 PM
the one with Ruff Ryders had to because RR was HOT-hot at the time
165071, Kurupt - Kurruption
Posted by Selah, Tue Jul-16-13 05:57 PM
165072, Ah, yeah. Wild thing is, most of us in L.A. are just happy that we got
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 06:10 PM
"We can freak it" from outta that project
165073, lol that nigga Kurupt probably kilt denim sales out there for a bit
Posted by micMajestic, Tue Jul-16-13 06:52 PM
>"We can freak it" from outta that project

I mean I wasn't personally affected when Jay killed Range Rover 4.0's & BMW X5's so I wasn't tripping. But damn y'all could even buy jeans!
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165074, LMAOOOO I was JUST talkin about that!
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 06:56 PM
165075, Lol I never paid that line any mind.
Posted by Brotha Sun, Thu Jul-18-13 10:49 AM
Nigga threw it in there outta nowhere too.
165076, Warren G "Regulate: The G-Funk Era"
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 06:59 PM
Coming off the heels of Doggystyle, Indo Smoke, and the whole Death Row affiliation..."Regulate" dropped as a single and was huuuuuuuuuuge huge. So people were very hype for it...not at a Doggystyle level, but probably the highest for a West Coast album between Doggystyle and Dogg Food (not counting Soundtracks).

And I think it did what many albums on this list did. Was decent-good..a few great tracks, some fillers, some blahs, so nobody was really disappointed by it, but it didn't become classic either.
165077, that album went like 4x platinum
Posted by bavid dammer, Tue Jul-16-13 08:34 PM
it's one of the biggest selling rap album's in the genres history.

not to mention, it's a really tight top to bottom album.

every few years i'll throw on this dj or you don't see or so many ways and still really enjoy them.

east coast rap critic gatekeepers tried to put the clamp down on that by burying it and comparing it to kenny g and whatever else they did and failed massively.
165078, it went multi platinum and he had two more successful albums
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 10:23 PM
however to me Warren G was always like the Mark Jackson of Rappers cool with the dish, however he didn't have that it as a solo artist,however Def Jam scored big with him.

Warren G though had a cool flow, however his hook on "ain't no fun" to me was his prime and peak.

i liked him in a cool laid back thing he did like on "Smokin me out" with Ron Isley.

165079, Yea it did sell a whole lot, I'm not sure how the East Coast reception was
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 11:42 AM
but the South loved him for sure. He was bigger than Quik everywhere outside of L.A., especially at this point.

165080, Regulate & This DJ were big songs back east too, that album
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jul-17-13 12:41 PM
got love on the east coast, much more than say...Dogg Food, there wasn't that full-scale coastal acrimony yet anyway.

That was still part of the roll from The Chronic & Doggystyle, those cuts were on MTV heavy-rotation daily and the album was on Def Jam.
165081, RE: Hyped up albums that we completely forgot were hyped up
Posted by go mack, Tue Jul-16-13 07:01 PM
The Doggfather - just remember after Doggystyle everyone was hyped for the sophomore album, rumors of Snoop and live band and lots of stuff, album isn't bad but pretty disappointing


Nate Dogg's solo - heard rumors that Nate also rapped and was gonna be bigger than Snoop cuz he had the double threat with singing, not sure where that came from lol I like his solo but didn't generate the hits expected


165082, I think we all remember Doggfather's hype and talk about it being a
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 07:19 PM
major flop, although some folks are starting to feel/recognize that it's not really a bad album...just wasn't half of Doggystyle.

I'd say Nate counts a lot more...people probably were hype because he'd been on so many different classic songs. And his singles were strong too, especially "Never leave me alone"
165083, the Nate Dogg shit confuses me
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Tue Jul-16-13 08:34 PM
he never struck me as a guy that could hold down an entire album on his own, even if people liked the songs
he had decent stuff I guess but nothing that stuck with me
165084, I mean...it was kind of a "why wouldn't his album be great" thing
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 11:34 AM
We knew the production and features would be great, and he'd killed 95% of the hooks AND verses he had. And even his full songs like "One more day"...so it makes sense to why you'd think his album would be good/decent.

"Music and me" was pretty dope
165085, he's a 'small doses' artist, that's why those cameos worked well
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Fri Jul-19-13 02:11 PM
he doesn't have a great voice and only one phrasing so song after song of that isn't really going to come out well artistically
165086, Crooked I and Papoose could be the poster childs of hyped artists
Posted by southphillyman, Tue Jul-16-13 07:07 PM
who have nothing to show for it
i don't even know if either of those dudes have studio albums
Peedi Crack kind of falls in line with this too
these dudes might be even worse off then cats who were super hyped and flopped with a debut
at least those guys got to ball off advance money for a couple months or whatever
165087, Jive gave Papoose 1.5 (mil) though.
Posted by micMajestic, Tue Jul-16-13 08:04 PM
>who have nothing to show for it
>i don't even know if either of those dudes have studio albums
>Peedi Crack kind of falls in line with this too
>these dudes might be even worse off then cats who were super
>hyped and flopped with a debut
>at least those guys got to ball off advance money for a couple
>months or whatever

If that's true that was the biggest heist ever.
And I remember Peedi Crakk admitting that he got a decent sized advance (from Def Jam) and blew through it.
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165088, All that money went to IHOP and Red Lobster
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-16-13 08:08 PM
165089, you're probably on the money, the stories about him aren't flattering
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Tue Jul-16-13 08:35 PM
all of those State Prop niggas had a serious problem with success and took that 'we on now' mentality too far
they forgot to do the actual work
165090, You heard this? I was clowning it:
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 05:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTAYp_4ebIw
165091, wtf is this shit here
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Wed Jul-17-13 08:03 PM
for a minute I thought it was a skit or something
165092, It should be. I died for hours when I heard it
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Jul-18-13 05:46 PM
165093, i get dizzy like gillespie.
Posted by squeeg, Thu Jul-18-13 11:20 PM
165094, for what it's worth Nacirema Dream finally dropped a couple months back
Posted by Nodima, Tue Jul-16-13 10:04 PM

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165095, That Dark Twisted Fantasy album by Kanye
Posted by gritty, Tue Jul-16-13 09:13 PM
People stil talk about it online from time to time but before it was about to come out, it was a lot of hype for it but then once it came out it was all about done. He did a performance for it on SNL and had that mini movie for one of those videos but after that it was a wrap.

The Taylor Swift interruption didn't help matters at all though.
165096, lol
Posted by Ghetto Black, Wed Jul-17-13 12:01 AM
 
165097, Just calling it how I see it. *shrugs*
Posted by gritty, Wed Jul-17-13 12:04 AM
165098, LOL that album made it at the top of nearly every major publications
Posted by Oak27, Thu Jul-18-13 10:47 AM
top album list of the year. Was one of the best sellers of the year. And, like you mentioned, is STILL being talked about today. C'mon.
165099, Sleppy Brown solo album, Pharrell solo
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 10:26 PM
neither did anything despite the hype machine.
165100, Pharrell's solo is a good one.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-17-13 12:29 PM
That album had a ton of guests - Kanye, Gwen Stefani, Jay Z, etc. and did NOTHING. I still liked it though.
165101, Will.I.Am's 'Songs About Girls' bricked even harder
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jul-17-13 12:47 PM
>That album had a ton of guests - Kanye, Gwen Stefani, Jay Z,
>etc. and did NOTHING. I still liked it though.
165102, I actually really like that album
Posted by mrhood75, Wed Jul-17-13 12:49 PM
Starts off a little bumpy, but it's pretty damn solid as a whole. I feel bad that it bricked.
165103, RE: I actually really like that album
Posted by Goose, Fri Jul-19-13 03:45 PM
I think since that bricked Will I Am's musical output has been 100% trash. Sure he'd do the Black Eyed Peas thing, but he'd work some decent shit on to those albums. And he was making some great beats for Nas, John Legend and Common. Then Songs About Girls came through (with a lot of pop sensibility/hit potential) and nothing took off (seriously it's a goddamn crime "Heartbreaker" wasn't huge), so he just got on that EDM and has been caking off of that ever since.
165104, It did...but I actually like both of his solo albums a lot.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-17-13 04:07 PM
Songs about Girls is a banger.
165105, "That girl" = CLASSIC though. The Yessirs version of the album is dope
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 04:04 PM
I just wish it was better quality
165106, E-A Ski. they hyped this dude up as the 2nd coming of Dre.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Wed Jul-17-13 07:40 AM
165107, lolol
Posted by TRENDone, Wed Jul-17-13 10:56 AM
165108, Damn did they? He did have a lot of hits for the Bay as a producer
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 11:32 AM
And he looked like Dre!
165109, I saw him in a video for Maschine, and thought the same.
Posted by JFrost1117, Wed Jul-17-13 11:48 AM
He's like a cocky Dr. Dre clone.
165110, He did Spice-1's Trigga Got No Heart and Dumpin' 'Em in Ditches
Posted by mrhood75, Wed Jul-17-13 12:04 PM
Those are probably his biggest "hits."

He was also the first producer to work with Master P when he came out to the Bay to get his start. I've seen an old EA Ski & CMT single with an early version of the No Limit Tank logo on it.

Beyond that, he's probably best known for his "Blast If I Have To" track on the Friday soundtrack, which was dope.

Beyond that, he's produced cuts here and there for lots of Bay Area artists. I know he planned a group project with him, CPO Boss Hogg and another dude who's name escapes me. Last group that he really put on with The Frontline. One of the dudes from the group, Locksmith, went on to record a whole album with Ski of Dame Dash/Original Flavor/Camp-Lo/Curren$y fame.

I've met/interacted with dude a few times. Even interviewed him a couple of time. He's a sharp cat and he's funny as hell. But yeah, he's got an ego.
165111, Damn, yeah I never knew he had an ego like that
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Jul-18-13 10:44 AM
Yea it's weird, like....his name is bigger than most of his work it seems. He's the type who's a legend because of his body of work, but it's not much that EVERYBODY knows about that came from him aside from "Trigga's got no heart"

I remember Frontline for sure, didn't know he put them on.
165112, his source ads are legendary
Posted by squeeg, Thu Jul-18-13 11:23 PM
He had two-page ads in The Source for years, hyping his album. I don't think it ever released.


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165113, the infamous Humanwreck from The Source magazine ads.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Wed Jul-17-13 07:41 AM
looking like a bootleg Redman. smh.
165114, Yeah I Remember Seeing Humanreck's Album Too
Posted by Dj Joey Joe, Fri Jul-19-13 08:22 AM
I was kind of interested in listening to this album cause yep he did look like a clone of Redman (but he did have production from Erick Sermon and Rockwilder on it plus Redman did guest appear on it too) but when I saw it in the record store I was hesitant about buying but never listened to it even though I could have.

Basically the Source & Rap Pages was a good way for underground rap artists to get some exposure back then cause you didn't need a video on MTV or BET or radio play from HOT97, just a magazine ad and some play on a college hip-hop show.


165115, I was so excited for that album........
Posted by Ishwip, Fri Jul-19-13 04:09 PM
......even though I had never heard of him haha.

I thought the name sounded PHAT, plus he had the E. Sermon, Rockwilder, and Redman connect.

Still have never heard the album before.
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165116, That first Obie Trice didc on Shady Records
Posted by CaptNish, Wed Jul-17-13 11:00 AM
.
165117, YEPPPPP. And it was dope too, it's wild how he completely faded
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 11:33 AM
away after that one album.

"Got some teeth" was a HORRID single choice, that was a straight Eminem type of song
165118, but he never really had buzz, his entire buzz was built of association
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jul-17-13 12:49 PM
same with most of G-Unit.

The fact that Obie Trice's debut album went platinum is a miracle of Eminem/Interscope marketing.
165119, It was, but even as bad as it was, I still bump it!
Posted by CaptNish, Wed Jul-17-13 04:25 PM
>"Got some teeth" was a HORRID single choice

That was me and my boys' anthem back when it dropped. lol
165120, I forgot ALL ABOUT THIS GUY.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-17-13 12:29 PM
165121, Real name, no gimmicks.
Posted by Stadium Status, Wed Jul-17-13 08:52 PM
165122, I put this and Rhymefest's debut in the same boat
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Fri Jul-19-13 02:14 PM
they were pretty good albums but people forget about them because of everything else but the music
165123, Agreed. Both were rapping on those albums.
Posted by bwood, Sun Jul-21-13 03:57 PM
I gotta revisit em now.
165124, Wyclef "The Carnival"
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 11:37 AM
Fresh off "The Score" I feel like he had a good amount of hype for this album. And I didn't hear anybody say they were disappointed, but it isn't seen as a classic or anything on that level. And you NEVER hear "Gone til November" anymore, even though that song was huge at the time.
165125, That CD was pretty big - I worked at Tower Records in NYC vil
Posted by c71, Wed Jul-17-13 11:47 AM
when it was released.

His sound will probably come back. He had a lot of energy/color with his sound. Wasn't for me mostly but it had SOMETHING.
165126, That shit is classic. IMO better than Miseducation.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-17-13 12:29 PM
165127, MUCH better than Miseducation
Posted by mrhood75, Wed Jul-17-13 12:30 PM
165128, Wyclef's sound is light-years better than Miseducation
Posted by c71, Wed Jul-17-13 12:31 PM
Wyclef is so serious on sound. But that was an era of lot's of good sound.
165129, agreed n/m
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jul-17-13 12:50 PM
165130, WAY better
Posted by Ray_Snill, Wed Jul-17-13 02:07 PM

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http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd494/raysnill1/2012falcons.jpg
165131, Whoaaaaaa. This is my first time ever hearing this, and seeing 4
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 02:15 PM
co-signs under it has me like "Damn really????"

I never heard it then or now. I can actually see this being said by guys...I don't think it's any women who would feel this way. Or even any R&B fans who prefer R&B more than Rap. But damn
165132, The Carnival was a great record...not sure of classic...
Posted by ChampD1012, Tue Jul-23-13 09:54 AM
but a great record....
165133, Far Far Greater
Posted by 13Rose, Thu Jul-18-13 06:47 PM
Far Far Far Far Greater.

Hell the skits are way better than L Boogie's skits. BISHIP!
165134, wow, this kinda makes me smile
Posted by cbk, Mon Jul-22-13 10:36 PM
i felt like this at times. 'clef really delivered, especially on the final suite of songs. there's something for everyone on this one.

165135, that is a good album
Posted by Selah, Wed Jul-17-13 12:49 PM
it not being played doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't good

now the followup?

THAT was turrible
165136, I neeeeever said it wasn't good, just that nobody speaks of it as being
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 02:13 PM
a classic. Except Chris Rock
165137, honestly I think what followed hurt its rep
Posted by Selah, Wed Jul-17-13 02:20 PM
carnival was great (I'd call it classic) but pretty much everything after was so bad you're tempted to half apologize for bringing his name up
165138, Yea he QUICKLY became seen as novelty and a joke. And Lauryn
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 03:58 PM
being so big, but dissing him, for sure made him look bad to a lotta folks.
165139, People hyped up "C True Hollywood stories"? I don't remember that.
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jul-17-13 12:36 PM
Can-I-Bus had insane hype, even the second one had some hype to see how he recovered, however the album after that when he had gotten dropped by the label & was trying to rap from the perspective of Stan got hyped?

I never knew anyone that actually had that album.
165140, Yeah, there was no buzz for that album. If anything there was anti-hype...
Posted by self_ish, Wed Jul-17-13 01:06 PM
And sheer bewilderment due to the fact that 'Bis made an album that largely centered around Eminem's Stan character. It just seemed weird, and kinda creepy. That album, and the press it generated was the nail in the coffin as far as commercial press went for him. At least that's how I remember it.
165141, Bubba Sparxxx
Posted by Ray_Snill, Wed Jul-17-13 02:08 PM
this one hit close to home cause that was the homie. Interscope was expecting AT LEAST 4 million sold



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165142, Hmm it kinda did from what I remember. The South's answer to Em
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 03:29 PM
165143, Yep, and his 2nd album? Deliverance? SO GOOD.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-17-13 04:08 PM
It flopped badly, if I'm remembering right...
165144, it almost went Gold but yeah back then, that was considered a flop
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jul-17-13 06:27 PM
that led to Tim giving up on him, then him trying to reinvent himself with that Ying-Yang 'Ms New Booty' record.
165145, NoYork by Blu
Posted by Kosa12, Wed Jul-17-13 02:11 PM
everyone was hype for that album i feel like. i mean it was good but it was stil kinda dissapointing

and blu is one of my fav MCs....
165146, That one Shyne album
Posted by cbk, Wed Jul-17-13 03:08 PM
I can't even remember the named it or the circumstances. Is that cuz it flopped so hard???

165147, 'Godfather Buried Alive"
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Jul-17-13 03:25 PM
>I can't even remember the named it or the circumstances. Is
>that cuz it flopped so hard???
>
>

Dude was in jail at the time of it's release. 'twas ass.

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165148, OutKast - Idlewild
Posted by JFrost1117, Wed Jul-17-13 05:04 PM
Back when I was only on the OutKast.com boards, we had run out of shit to talk about in the time between SB/TLB and Idlewild. That, and it was up in the air if they were gonna do that "10 The Hard Way" album that was rumored at the same time.
165149, Dr. Dre and Snoop "The Wash"
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 05:14 PM
I think it was supposed to be called "Break ups to make ups" or some shit at first....and it was set to be a full album from Dre and Snoop. It got downgraded to just two songs from them...and both were great to me, almost classic, but the soundtrack got completely slept on and only "Bad intentions" got play.
165150, You could probably flood this post with failed/dud collabos.
Posted by JFrost1117, Wed Jul-17-13 05:22 PM
"Me & so&so met for 2 minutes backstage and talked about working together for 10 seconds of those 2 minutes, so yeah, the album's coming soon!"
165151, Most of them never ever happen, but when they do, they seem to
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 05:23 PM
always be busts some how.

I remember Timbaland and Dre talking about one around the time that JD "dissed" them...I was just like "LOL"
165152, Basically. See: Every insert in a No Limit album in the late 90s.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-17-13 05:56 PM
SUPERGROUPS GALORE!!!

Albums released: maybe 1 or 2.

I think that Mercedes album had a deal to get advertised in every one of those booklets though.
165153, I'm sure me & my click bought more NL albums to see Mercedes.
Posted by JFrost1117, Wed Jul-17-13 08:52 PM
>SUPERGROUPS GALORE!!!
>
>Albums released: maybe 1 or 2.
>
>I think that Mercedes album had a deal to get advertised in
>every one of those booklets though.

Like, collectively, do we give a hot monkeyfuck what her voice sounds like? Nope. Are we still buying NL albums weekly, as a group to see that ass in EV-UH-REE case? Fuggin right.
165154, LOL!
Posted by Jakob Hellberg, Wed Jul-17-13 09:24 PM
Did her album even come out? And if it did, was it good?

I just remember her standing there with the ass in ads for like a year or more...
165155, It dropped in '99.
Posted by JFrost1117, Wed Jul-17-13 09:36 PM
By then we were fully onto Cash Money.
165156, Chairmen of the Boards!
Posted by DJR, Wed Jul-17-13 06:12 PM
That was going to be the name of the Dre/Timbaland album.
165157, probably would have been great
Posted by makaveli, Fri Jul-19-13 08:25 AM
165158, i used to bump that truth hurts song from the soundtrack
Posted by makaveli, Fri Jul-19-13 08:24 AM
but yeah the actual song the wash was the shit.
165159, Mobb Deep - Blood Money
Posted by Stadium Status, Wed Jul-17-13 07:34 PM
I haven't listened to this since it came out but in retrospect I don't know why it didn't work. Even them rapping at 40% over those beats should have been doper. Maybe we've just lowered our expectations since then

I remember seeing a massive ad for them in Times Square thinking "Oh shit they're gonna be as big as 50 now"
165160, This was well promoted, but there was more fear of it then buzz
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Jul-17-13 08:01 PM
As a diehard Mobb Deep fan (theyre probably my all-time favorite rap act of all time), I was so worried about them being G-Unit-ized. Its one thing when its a new artist like Banks, Buck, Game, etc. But the Mobb had a Deep legacy.

I remember feeling like, damn, 10 years in the game and they have to sign with someone else to get hot, that's what it's come to? Shouldn't they be bosses? Of course, 8 years later these kinda moves are becoming commonplace (Busta to YMCMB comes to mind) and don't get nearly the same backlash.

And then the "Outta Control" remix dropped. I shut my ass up. This shit was bananas, classic killer Dre beat, catchy 50 Cent hook (back then he was what I guess someone like Drake is - the hip hop hook KING), and some cool Mobb Deep rhymes. Yeah, they were spitting some shit about the ladies, but it didn't feel corny the way the 112 joint did. It was gangsta yet smooth.

The first single was cool. Kinda ordinary, but fine, did nothing to tarnish the Mobb sound or feel. I thought, hey, maybe this won't be so bad.

Then the album leaked. It was our worst fears come true!

You said you hadn't heard it since it came out but didn't know why it didn't work? All it would take for you to realize why could be accomplished by putting it on.

Sure, they had a few great songs ("Pearly Gates" belongs near the very top of any Best of Mobb Deep list), it felt and sounded so wrong. One Alchemist beat. No Big Noyd. 5 appearances from 50 Cent. In fact, zero 0 zero QB artists. But Banks, Buck, Yayo were all on there.

C'mon.

And those songs didn't work for the most part. The Nate Dogg joint is so god damn corny and shitty and unoriginal, it's low key as much of a blemish on their discography as the 112 joint that everyone cites as the alleged Mobb Deep falloff point/evidence Jay had P shook/whatever else is said (I still say the beat bangs, but it was too much of a diversion from their norm, we as a fan base weren't ready for that)

Anyway, it sucks.

>I haven't listened to this since it came out but in
>retrospect I don't know why it didn't work. Even them rapping
>at 40% over those beats should have been doper. Maybe we've
>just lowered our expectations since then
>
>I remember seeing a massive ad for them in Times Square
>thinking "Oh shit they're gonna be as big as 50 now"
165161, Oh, don't get me wrong
Posted by Stadium Status, Wed Jul-17-13 08:51 PM
I remember it being absolutely terrible.

But I remember loving the first two singles (and I actually liked the Nate song from the GRODT soundtrack lol). More than anything, I was happy for them (or happy for how big they would potentially be). I was 17 at the time, so I didn't experience their entire career in real time but I was well aware of and a huge fan of their earlier stuff.

But yeah I listened to the mixtape they had in 03...Amerikaz Nightmare...and while it was obviously a fall-off from their earlier stuff it was still obviously serviceable. Take a song like this which is an absolute banger through a great Alchemist beat and half-assed Mobb lyrics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3koWXFTKws

I figured, how much worse could it get with Dre on the boards?

I'm happy that Prodigy was able to bounce back. I heard Havoc's new album was dope too...however I will probably never listen to it
165162, Yeah That Album Was A Big Disappointment
Posted by Dj Joey Joe, Fri Jul-19-13 08:43 AM
It was a Mobb Deep album but by time they released that album I kind of knew Prodigy & Havoc wasn't on the same level as their previous albums were going to be on even "Amerikaz's Nightmare" wasn't that good.


165163, Rakim - The Seventh Seal
Posted by Stadium Status, Wed Jul-17-13 07:35 PM
Wait...this actually came out?!?!? Was this any good???
165164, ^^^ this
Posted by Selah, Thu Jul-18-13 10:27 AM
165165, Saigon - The Greatest Story Never Told
Posted by Stadium Status, Wed Jul-17-13 07:38 PM
Remember his storyline on Entourage?

I remember how hyped everyone was when Don't You Baby dropped. Only for them to put a neutered version with Jay on the album like five years later

Listened to this once, remember it being dope, never listened again. He was a monster back in like 2003 or 2004 though. I remember he had that one mixtape with "Stocking Cap" and a few others that made him seem like he was going to be the underground savior.

Funny thing is, even today, every feature I hear him on he's rapping his ass off. I gotta listen to this album again...it has to be dope with him and Just Blaze doing all the production...right? Right??
165166, Yepppp good pick, and yea "Come on baby" I think was supposed
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 08:02 PM
to be another Just Blaze insta-classic to go along with the Dipset, Freeway, and Jay songs.
165167, i had that on my top 10 rap albums of 2011. very good album.
Posted by PROMO, Thu Jul-18-13 10:58 PM
however, he couldn't meet the hype w/ the trillions of delays he went through.
165168, Ras Kass - Institutionalized
Posted by Stadium Status, Wed Jul-17-13 07:47 PM
Dude promised that he wrote 100 amazing songs in jail...I'm still waiting to hear one of them lol. That Return of the Spit mixtape from 06 was nice though
165169, Actually, Ras Kass - Van Gogh/Goldyn Chyld
Posted by Stadium Status, Wed Jul-17-13 07:57 PM
165170, Foxy Brown's first album
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Jul-17-13 07:51 PM
Coming off her appearances on "I Shot Ya" (held her own with some real lyrical heavyweights, at that time all them dudes could rap awesomely), the Total remix, and "Ain't No Nigga", plus spots on Nas' big album, she was buzzing big time.

But they dropped the wrong first single. The joint with Blackstreet wasn't it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etx9exhS3v4

They smartened up with "I'll Be" (which lowkey, was one Jay's first big looks, shit was #7 on the Hot 100, his first feature in the top 10).
165171, Ahhhh her and Lil Kim's debuts had hella hype. And I feel like that
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Jul-17-13 08:05 PM
Blackstreet single was great for the "grown and sexy" style that came about around 1995...but it might not have been best for her. Still a dope song though, for sure...just wasn't "Crush on you"
165172, I agree it's not a bad song
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Jul-17-13 08:15 PM
Especially for what passes for great R&B and rap collabos these days.

But it wasn't what people wanted. They liked the sexy BK chick who could spit fire, look fly, and still have an element of ghetto fabulous to her.

Like I said, they got it right with the second single.

If Foxy stopped making records after "Broken Silence", she would have had one of the more impressive careers a female has ever had in rap.
165173, um, she basically did
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Jul-18-13 01:11 AM
>If Foxy stopped making records after "Broken Silence", she
>would have had one of the more impressive careers a female has
>ever had in rap.


she certainly never had another studio album on a major, I never really heard that old mixtape Koch put out.

she lost her hearing sometime around then.

And to me Fox's career can hang with just about any female MC ever regardless.
165174, How about R&B? Truth Hurts had a good amount of hype
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Jul-18-13 06:20 PM
Dre's first R&B singer since Michel'le really, and "Contagious" was pretty big. Album was a dud aside from the other track Quik produced.
165175, Ms Jade
Posted by Lil Rabies, Thu Jul-18-13 06:56 PM
I thought she was going to blow up with Timbaland, glad I didn't buy that album. Ching Ching was banging.
165176, YoYo Make Way For The Motherload......remix fooled us...
Posted by Record Playa, Thu Jul-18-13 09:21 PM
wack ass cd.
165177, Mack 10's whole career
Posted by Record Playa, Thu Jul-18-13 11:15 PM
165178, 50 Cent's The Massacre
Posted by icecold21, Fri Jul-19-13 07:12 AM
HUGE hype for that album, and nobody talks about it these days.
It's pretty much forgotten, and with good reason.
165179, >>> GRODT
Posted by Stadium Status, Fri Jul-19-13 09:27 AM
I will defend this until the day I die
165180, Ahhhhhhhh. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have thought to mention it
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-19-13 02:05 PM
In a way, I lump it in with the hype he had for GRODT...but true, nobody really mentions THIS one and how much it was hyped up. We even mention Game's album more, since it was his debut
165181, The Madd Rapper "Tell 'Em Why U Madd"
Posted by Dj Joey Joe, Fri Jul-19-13 08:31 AM
D.Dot aka The Madd Rapper, he was one of the main BadBoy Hitmen who made a ton of dope hip-hop songs for Puffy's artists and of course he had his crazy alias as The Madd Rapper with those skits on Biggie's and other people's albums, but when D.Dot got a deal with Columbia I guess I thought that Madd Rapper album was going to be big even with all the guest appearances on it plus they added the 50Cent joint "How To Rob" as a bonus track since 50's album never dropped, I doubt that album even went gold but it still was a good album.

I think Conyay did a lot of co-production on this album too but people hardly talk about that.


165182, RE: The original one: Monie Love — Down to Earth
Posted by Austin, Fri Jul-19-13 10:34 AM

'choons:
"soul in isolation." http://bit.ly/159yQaK
"jacques snicket." http://bit.ly/14iU9Xs
"pushed by wind." http://bit.ly/164IZGB
"I've always been interested in people, but I've never liked them."
—Henry James
austintayeshus.blogspot.com
165183, Puffy is Poison...
Posted by FrankEinstein, Fri Jul-19-13 02:34 PM
...is what immediately came to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z3bLRPOlrw
165184, Yo that shit had me dying for 8 minutes.
Posted by bwood, Sun Jul-21-13 04:10 PM
And it's funny cause it's true.