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you're a fucking retard.

cleaning up his image for WSJ and Forbes, fuck outta here

you know?

take the doo rag off" - some bourgie broad

unfortunately, that's not what i'd been hearing all these years.

now excuse me while i kiss this guy.

n/h.

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I knew some people who would say it like that knowing it was wrong, but oh so funny.

>unfortunately, that's not what i'd been hearing all these
>years.
>
>now excuse me while i kiss this guy.
>
>n/h.

"They don't want to see you on top, two eagles' testicles!"

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he doesnt talk about You Must Love Me

it was clear it meant alot to him to hang out with moneyed white people and it gave him joy when they referred to him as their "friend". nothing wrong with a kid from the projects wanting to be accepted by a world that he had only seen from the outside.

but this right here crosses the line.

"what kind of an animal would do that?"
this sounds like something that would be said from the point of view of his "friends" parents or even grandparents if they were alive. which is alarmingly pathetic. he is deeply embarrassed of himself now that he has to look at himself from a conservative viewpoint.

it has nothing to do with growing up. he is over-reacting. it's like he wants so badly to be somebody new but he feels burdened by 10 years of recorded music that paint him as somebody else.

does it ever occur to him that who he was is what got him to where he is. he wants to be seen as a business man for owning minority stakes in other people's projects but his biggest source of success is still being a rapper. as much as he wants us to think he is bigger than rap.

couldn't have said it better.

>but this right here crosses the line.
>
>"what kind of an animal would do that?"
>this sounds like something that would be said from the point
>of view of his "friends" parents or even grandparents if they
>were alive.

he should have taken the Eminem route and just said (paraphrasing): "my lyrics are a part of the character I use for my art and those lyrics are meant to be artistic expression; they don't always represent me or my life personally. then that would be that."

>he should have taken the Eminem route and just said
>(paraphrasing): "my lyrics are a part of the character I use
>for my art and those lyrics are meant to be artistic
>expression; they don't always represent me or my life
>personally. then that would be that."

That's what basically what Em said in his last major outlet interview.
The lamest part is that for some reason, some people think the artist IS his art. They are entirely separable as they should be.

to cop out and say "it's a character" is stupid. Maybe Slim Shady is a character, but they're pitching this awful recovery album as him finally getting clean and dropping gimmicks.

"Keeping it real" is about the last fucking thing most hip hop does. They're selling an image and telling stories that are at best enormous exaggerations of anything real. In many cases it's pure fiction.

right, but if you're selling an image you're not supposed to tell people thats what you're doing...magicians aint supposed to reveal their tricks.

Some of us just want well-written songs, even if we know the process behind them.

so are we all "animals" for rapping and dancing along to big pimping?

>so are we all "animals" for rapping and dancing along to big
>pimping?

it's that we expect him to be smarter than this.

he is not his art. no one is asking him to be. that he's apologizing for his artistic output and conflating himself with the actual art is the problem.

>he is not his art. no one is asking him to be. that he's
>apologizing for his artistic output and conflating himself
>with the actual art is the problem.


You're expecting him to separate himself from the art but what he's
saying is that he isn't separate from his art. If the nigga is telling
you that he IS his art then how you tell him he isn't?
He's telling you this shit is first person accounts for him.
Plus you don't speak for everybody and some people DO expect the nigga
to BE what he's saying he is on record.

who exactly expects Jay-Z (or any rapper for that matter) to be a murdering drug dealer/pimp (to use an example)? you? seriously?

in a similar manner, do you expect Gene Simmons to be a kabuki-paint wearing demon aka god of thunder that really spits blood & fire instead of a business-savvy businessman?

do you think Harvey Keitel really is the Bad Lieutenant too?


I hope you realize you are making a ridiculous leap of logic there.
if you don't, then there is no point in having any more discussion with you.

>who exactly expects Jay-Z (or any rapper for that matter) to
>be a murdering drug dealer/pimp (to use an example)? you?
>seriously?
>

No. Not me. I said some people do.

>in a similar manner, do you expect Gene Simmons to be a
>kabuki-paint wearing demon aka god of thunder that really
>spits blood & fire instead of a business-savvy businessman?
>
>do you think Harvey Keitel really is the Bad Lieutenant too?
>


*Sigh* Here we go again. Rap is unique in that way because a large
percentage of its artists speak actual shit. The "keep it real"
movement or whatever you want to call it. NWA were some of the first
to be on this. And YOU are crazy if you think rap isn't unique in
that way. Why do you think Rick Ross being "exposed" is even a topic
of discussion. Why do you think people get called out for rapping
shit that they ain't about? Does this happen in rock? It doesn't
happen to actors because they're fucking actors.

>
>I hope you realize you are making a ridiculous leap of logic
>there.



I hope you realize that comparing rap to rock and movies is silly.

>*Sigh* Here we go again. Rap is unique in that way because a
>large
>percentage of its artists speak actual shit. The "keep it
>real"
>movement or whatever you want to call it.


I think this used to be a regular practice in hip-hop. But standards started changing and cats began representing themselves as something they really weren't. And with the changing demographics of the hip-hop audience, that practice has become more and more accepted.

Sucka MCs & fake MCs used to be easy targets. That's not the case anymore. Now, MCs can rap about whatever they want, however they want as long as it sounds good or moves units.

But of course Jay ain't from this new school of rap. Hence him being
disgusted by his lyrics and looking at this whole situation the way he
does.

Let's not forget that he's the guy who's said on more than one occasion
that he LIVED it and that all his shit is real talk. He's the cat who
accused Nas of creating his life in his notepad. If "it's all just
entertainment" none of that would even matter to Jay.


> I think this used to be a regular practice in hip-hop. But
>standards started changing and cats began representing
>themselves as something they really weren't. And with the
>changing demographics of the hip-hop audience, that practice
>has become more and more accepted.
>
> Sucka MCs & fake MCs used to be easy targets. That's not the
>case anymore. Now, MCs can rap about whatever they want,
>however they want as long as it sounds good or moves units.

I think she has Checkmate...

the lack of logic displayed by your points is baffling.

they don't actually live. The way you're ignoring that point is what's
baffling. You can ignore the "keep it real" factor if you like.

I'll ignore you keeping it wrong.

Call it what you want. It's still denial.

>he should have taken the Eminem route and just said
>(paraphrasing): "my lyrics are a part of the character I use
>for my art and those lyrics are meant to be artistic
>expression; they don't always represent me or my life
>personally. then that would be that."

^^^He would then be admitting that he isn't nor has ever been the very real "real live dude" that he has built his following upon..

He does not want to lose "the streets"

I think he's saying these things (animal reference) to prompt his new friends (...and fans by extension) to look further into his life (at some point)...

...when he of course will be comfortable enough to "disclose" certain aspects "safely"....

Dude is trying real hard to build a mystique that will pay forward in his new social circles.


He's trying to have his movie made.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkVohPC_YpU&feature=related
1:44 "What I tell you about playing them fucking away games?"

to the precise minute and second. It's possible to do right on Youtube. No need for a third party.

Hashtage T for time = ____m for minutes ___ for seconds


#t=1m44s

just at that to the end of the video url. Here's what you'll get:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkVohPC_YpU#t=1m44s

And it'll take you str8 there.

I did not know how to do that directly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOaH6YU6v9s

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOaH6YU6v9s

One of the few songs where I enjoyed Rampage's verses.

.

dude looks back on a misogynist, chauvinistic verse and expresses regret for bring so negative, and people on a mssg board still find a way to put the man down, amazing.

>dude looks back on a misogynist, chauvinistic verse and
>expresses regret for bring so negative, and people on a mssg
>board still find a way to put the man down, amazing.

nah really couldn't give a fuck less, it's a bullshit power move, think he won't whip out the usual on his next album? I heavily doubt the next one's going to be clean. I don't care if Jay continues to infiltrate the corporate world, as long as the music stays fresh (which BP3, and all the guest features he's done lately proves), I don't care what he does off the mic.

and you guys are calling him an uncle tom.

faggot ass haters living in grandma's basement

We live in a crass culture.

jus saying

trust fund babies may get passes in their lives, but those passes shouldn't extend to someone from marcy projects

when jay was 30 rapping this song, i knew it was morally reprehensible and misogynistic garbage at 17... it doesn't mean it has no place in art or a person is an "animal" for expressing these views

It's easy to be cynical about his reasons for saying this, but the man is married now, so just maybe he does look back and shake his head a little.

HE'S AN UNCLE TOM WHO'S INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE.

Because he is.

>It's easy to be cynical about his reasons for saying this,
>but the man is married now, so just maybe he does look back
>and shake his head a little.

those types of sentiments. He isn't just criticizing himself, he's implying that that type of attitude/perspective has no place in work of art. And that is total bullshit.

Your hustle might get you knocked, why would I knock your hustle?

> He isn't just criticizing himself,
>he's implying that that type of attitude/perspective has no
>place in work of art. And that is total bullshit.
>

No one else should get to eat off these animalistic references (Jay's HATING!!!!)


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

I don't see that as being the same as saying it doesn't have any place in art. I didn't read that in to what he said.

>I don't see that as being the same as saying it doesn't have
>any place in art. I didn't read that in to what he said.

Please tell me what Jay-Z is referencing in the following sentence.
"What kind of animal would say this sort of thing?"


Your hustle might get you knocked, why would I knock your hustle?

That he projected in some of his songs

>That he projected in some of his songs

That's also assuming that rap artists stands wholeheartedly behind their rap persona. I'm not making any assumptions, he called himself an animal for rapping those lyrics.

Your hustle might get you knocked, why would I knock your hustle?

I don't assume to know him, or how he views himself as a person in relation to himself as an artist, I'm just interpreting this specific statement, and it doesn't seem very ambiguous to me.

If he didn't look back on some of his lyrics with a level of apprehension there would be much SMH'ing at his inability to grow.

you not allowed to grow up after 30?

>If he didn't look back on some of his lyrics with a level of
>apprehension there would be much SMH'ing at his inability to
>grow.
>
>

like suddenly that turkey is hanging out with rich White folks and now he thinks he is all Bryant Gumbel and whatnot? Lay Z still is a One note turkey and he outta claim that Hit song, since that is the last time his corny self had any edge.

Lay Z since 03 done become a Kenny G of Rap. a One note Johnny.

If Jay is a "changed man" or whatever, then I want to see him put out a product that shows it.

thats what i was thinking...he's on some do as i say not as i do -ish on here.

spin away H spin away!!

>

Matter of fact, it's probably his worst solo album ever in hindsight.

just some braggadocio boasts
at the time
eh

as if a person cannot grow and look on his past with some shame

i bet all of your pasts are sparkling and you have never said anything stupid.


morons.

>as if a person cannot grow and look on his past with some
>shame
>
>i bet all of your pasts are sparkling and you have never said
>anything stupid.

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When I posted this, I thought the convo would go like this.

>as if a person cannot grow and look on his past with some
>shame
>
>i bet all of your pasts are sparkling and you have never said
>anything stupid.
>
>
>morons.

Really?

>Really?


?

nah fam, I'm actualy neither one.

Jay remained niggerish well into his 30's. nigga sound like Chris Martin in this interview. "i can't believe my friend made these songs."

That shit was disgusting.

He makes a point to omit how many artists and emcees shoulders he's standing on.

He has no problem soaking up all this praise from his non urban audiences without putting the kulture (and how he benefited)into proper context.

He is citing and setting himself up as *the* authority and architect of HipHop to an audience that does not understand the pain and misfortune that birthed it and don't know any better.

There is a difference between being a Hip Hoppa (per KRS ONE) and an emcee versus being a rapper who benefits from the wholesale (some would say theft) of a *piece* of Hip Hop Kulture.


Son is straight up violating.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

he is full of shit.

Like everyone said before; Grow up by all means, but don't disavow.

lol@animal. Jay-Z sounding a little too Tribeca there.

> Jay-Z sounding a little too Tribeca there.

I'd say his last three albums actually but I digress.
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sans "animal" comment of course.

Hey Papi (Alternate Version) (feat. Amil):

http://usershare.net/qdhf0jipx6xq

Ay yo, I got a resolution... this year I'm playing right
No 6:15 this year, you can stay the night
We can go bowling, it ain't like before
Can't y'all see that I'm growing? I was so immature
I was young and having money
Having honeys come to the crib
Dig in they shit, and they couldn't get cab money from me
Some bad chicks didn't get past the bridge
I went to One Trump Plaza on their ass-es-es'
No room service just snacks and shit
Work with those Lil' Debbies and when your done get ready
The chicks I was fiendin' to smash
Let 'em lean on the cash, take 'em on long trips
Break 'em with long dick
There was no such thing as strong relationships
But I'm off that playa shit
I need a chick that practice Tai Chi... that still can buy weed
And can give me some good head, and I'll make her a mami
You hear me?

what the hell is that this time ?


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+++last man standing takes a seat+++
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One would expect a Forbes business to express regret at his actions at the young age of 30.

Don't worry. His next album will still be full of boasts about his former life as a drug kingpin.

But Im pretty sure Jay-Z has recently threatened to murder at least one person on wax recently, even if its the metaphoric 'I only mean on wax' type sense.

Picture Jay in his laid back posture saying this in the manner in which he typically speaks in interviews. Now tell me if you think he meant I DENOUNCE ALL MY PAST LYRICAL TRANSGRESSIONS AND PROFESS TO A LIFE OF 2000s ERA CONSCIENCE PSEUDO POLITICAL WHITE ACCEPTED ANTHEMS?


"WSJ: You're famous for not writing your lyrics down as you compose them. What changes about them when you see them on the page like this?

Jay-Z: Some become really profound when you see them in writing. Not "Big Pimpin." That's THE exception. It was like, I can't believe I said that. And kept saying it. What kind of animal would say this sort of thing? Reading it is really harsh."

Lol at almost EVERYBODY in here misinterpreting what he said.

>Picture Jay in his laid back posture saying this in the
>manner in which he typically speaks in interviews. Now tell me
>if you think he meant I DENOUNCE ALL MY PAST LYRICAL
>TRANSGRESSIONS AND PROFESS TO A LIFE OF 2000s ERA CONSCIENCE
>PSEUDO POLITICAL WHITE ACCEPTED ANTHEMS?
>
>
>"WSJ: You're famous for not writing your lyrics down as you
>compose them. What changes about them when you see them on the
>page like this?
>
>Jay-Z: Some become really profound when you see them
>in writing. Not "Big Pimpin." That's THE exception. It was
>like, I can't believe I said that. And kept saying it. What
>kind of animal would say this sort of thing? Reading it is
>really harsh."

Exactly

foh Jay.

THat said, I'm a fan. He's right about those lyrics, though.

But why are people mad?? You aint never done some shit or said some shit and looked back on it and said, "Damn, wish I hadn't said that..." Well, unlike you, Jay recorded his shit and sold it to the masses... If he don't like what he said, then he don't like it... Don't mean that you can't still like it...

>But why are people mad?? You aint never done some shit or
>said some shit and looked back on it and said, "Damn, wish I
>hadn't said that..." Well, unlike you, Jay recorded his shit
>and sold it to the masses... If he don't like what he said,
>then he don't like it... Don't mean that you can't still like
>it...

You never feel ashamed about something you've said / done before ? The man changed, I don't see where the problem is ... really

like somebody else above said, Jay does/say what will appeal to his target audience...

How does saying he wants to be like Kweli appeal to his core audience, many of whom don't know who the fuck Kweli is?

It's obvious that the love of ignorance is strong in here.

>How does saying he wants to be like Kweli appeal to his core
>audience, many of whom don't know who the fuck Kweli is?

I meant the target audience he had in mind while spitting that line... all those plp calling him a shallow rapper..

why else would he make excuses about his music and say he wants to be like Kweli, Common etc.

which is no different than what he is doing now

You know I thug 'em, fuck 'em, love 'em, leave 'em
Cause I don't fuckin' need 'em
Take 'em out the hood
Keep 'em looking good
But I don't fuckin' feed em
First time they fuss I'm breezin'
Talking 'bout what's the reasons
I'm a pimp in every sense of the word, bitch
Better trust and believe 'em
In a cut where I keep 'em
'Til I need a nut
'Til I need to be (in) the guts
The it's beep-beep and I'm pickin 'em up
Let 'em play with the dick in the truck
Many chicks wanna put Jigga fist incuffs
Divorce him and split his bucks
Just because you got good head
I'mma break bread
So you can be livin' it up
Shit I part's wit nothin
Y'all be frontin'
Me give my heart to a woman
Not for nothin' never happen'
I'll be forever mackin'
Heart cold as assassins, I got no passion
I got no patience and I hate waitin'
Hoe get your ass in
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word...wouldnt think twice about seeing those words in huge letters on the floor of a fancy hotel lol

he's on a song called Big Pimpin with a rapper named Pimp C.
I expect Pimp talk and anything less would be uncivilised...lol

it really isn't a bigger deal than Pete Townsend disavowing 'hope I die before I get old' but because of racial double-standards it will be portrayed as such by some.

But I guess folks would rather their favorite rappers not evolve past the type of mentality that led to them saying 'no matter how much loot I get I'm staying in the projects, forever' then ending up in the prison system long after financially achieving the freedom to live in a nice home.

or should I say B in this case..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDDbEJAEIg

either he saw the film and was moved to make the statement himself or Rachel (GEMS ed) persuaded him (or persuaded bey to persuade him) 2 make it.

...

But then if we found out about everybody would accuse him of touting
his own goodness and trying to be seen for stuff that he should remain
quiet about.

as what I'm talking about
the idea that you can do shit to get paid, then apologize for it but still profit from said actions is pretty much corporate public relations 1o1

He'd have to stop being Jay-Z.

to a fund or a local charity as a way of making amends
but will that happen?
of course not

as the greatest writer of the 21st century. I make some thought provoking shit, you question whether he's really fallen off." (c) Jay-Z, "Ignorant Shit"