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142037, RE: I'd like to think there were a couple of Seismic Shifts...
Posted by Luke Cage, Wed Jun-30-10 10:57 PM
>1) The 80's "Woe is me" type of Male Rock singer ( see also:
>Morrissey and Robert Smith)
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>Once these cats became the standard bearers, it became cool to
>be soft ( and I hate labelling people "soft", but for the sake
>of this discussion, let's continue...).
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>It got to the point where moping and self-loathing became
>cool. Robert Smith looked miserable all the time, and
>Morrissey even made it known that he DIDN'T have sex. How
>un-Rock Star is THAT?

Agreed and I couldn't stand either of them for the very reasons you named. They always came across as so pretentious and just completely lacking in any type of actual fun or sense of humor and it always seemed like they looked down on their audience.
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>2) The 90's "I hate everything and everybody" type of Male
>Rock Singer ( see also: Kurt Cobain and Layne Stanley).
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>Not that these guys were pussies ( in fact, they rocked hard
>as a motherfucker...), BUT they opened the door for bitchy
>fans who sat around longing for a purpose in life. Oh, and the
>fact that they wore beat up thrift store clothes? aw HELL
>yeah. "Kurt is just as downtrodden as WE are!!!" ( until he
>sold 24 million copies of "Nevermind"). Thus Pussified fans
>need a pussified icon.

So in a weird sense I guess you can say Cobain gave birth to a lot of these "wussies" even though he himself would probably have hated all of this shit.
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>3) The 00's "We're pretty and play Wal-Mart brand Rock" ( See
>also: Julian Casablanca and his ilk)
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>These dudes ( and I'm specifically talking about The Strokes
>in this case) were supposed to "Save" Rock. The irony is, they
>made the shit so soft and corporate, that just about EVERY
>Rock Band in mainstream rotation is a bunch of Pretty boys
>playing Milquetoast Rock Riffs ( in a subtle attempt to copy
>the success of "Last Night". Dating Models and movie stars in
>One thing, but LOOKING like models is another.

I had higher expectations for the Strokes as well. They had a ton of hype from some of my friends who are much more into that scene that I am and when they came out and I was a little disappointed when I finally got a chance to see them live. Of all of those "the" bands that came out around that time I liked The Hives the most.
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>so there's my theory. All three of those in combination
>contributed to the tight pants wearing, bespectacled, forlorn
>Rock bands you see before you today.
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>fuckin' pussies...

Interesting points. The biggest exception to this I would think is Jack White. Even when I don't love the stuff he puts out I usually find it interesting and not lacking balls.
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