And by her 'Blueprint,' I mean the album that earns the respect of the OKP/music nerd demographic and the pop world as well.

So who would you hire? Stuart Matthewman? Questo and James Poyser?

Any particular songwriters you'd put on the project? Session players, etc?

Have the Dream do the first half of the album, with pop bangers and what not.

Have Flying Lotus do a more cerebral, experimental 2nd side.

Quest and James are good for album cuts but they can't give her another "Upgrade U" or "Single Ladies"

I likes, the dream anywhere near such an album I don't his shit is corny son. Beyonce needs to do a real album for once.

i think she'll just wear people down with her consistency...one could argue that thats what jayz did too.

I don't know what she is waiting on.

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that sounds like the most dated album ever. or the most boring album ever. or both.

but i admit it would've been a good idea 20 yrs ago. in fact, it was a good idea back then. when Bobby Brown did it.

Both still have it. It would work.

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I was like...you want her to remake the janet. album? Or Toni Braxton's first album? I get it...the first half is janet., the 2nd half is Toni Braxton.

Great albums, of course. But what B should be doing in 2011 or whenever her next album drops? Nah.

>I was like...you want her to remake the janet. album? Or Toni
>Braxton's first album? I get it...the first half is janet.,
>the 2nd half is Toni Braxton.
>
>Great albums, of course. But what B should be doing in 2011 or
>whenever her next album drops? Nah.

Bobby Browns(L.A. and Face) second album and Johnny Gills(Jam n Lewis, La and Face) self titled album do not remind me of Janet or Toni's material. It would work.


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Jam and Lewis played out a long time ago. they been coasting on name brand for at least 15 years easily. Jimmy Jam admitted as such.

if this was 1990 then yeah with one side Jam and Lewis and the other side La and Babyface,but after 2000 it was all dog scraps IMO.

Beyonce would get Angel Grant/3rd tier Janet leftovers now from Jam and Lewis.

Beyonce can't get much out of La and babyface these days.


i ain't heard nothing i'd want to hear modern day speaking from either camps and I loved those cats stuff back in the day.

Either Sade or Maxwell's band.

i'd get rkelly to write for her, the dream, jermaine dupri
hell, i might would just let jermaine dupri play her quincy jones
him and b.michael cox
i'd get rodney jerkins on it
and definitely kandi burress
it would be a think tank type setting
only one person would be credited as producer, like dre on the chronic
take all ego out of the equation, save for hers, and put everybody in there to write the next thing as a collaborative project
like on one song, rodney jerkins might contribute the melody and the initial skeleton, while b michael cox might determine some harmonies, and jermaine would get his group of writers in and put some shit down
i love what jd did for usher's confession project

Herbie Hancock & Roy Hargrove for the musical arrangements
Jill & Marsha for the lyrics & vocal production

folks gon' say it wouldnt be hits, but what hits these days are worth anything past a month?

this right here would be great work.

>
>Any particular songwriters you'd put on the project? Session
>players, etc?
for two or three tracks.
neptunes (not just pharell but the duo) for two tracks
poyser/quest and whoever they want to bring on board for the rest.

and Rich Harrison. I'd love to hear her and Rich Harrison black out in the studio on some Quik/Kurupt ish. And get Ne-Yo on writing.

is like tryna get Bill Cosby and Wynton Marsalis to lead a Notorious B.I.G. and 2Pac Tribute Album with themselves rapping on it.

even if ?uest, Quincy Jones, and Herbie Hancock gave her an artistic album, the shit wouldn't sell...and niggaz would be ready to call it a flop.

she needs to keep doing what she's doing...she's winning in life.

if I have to pick just one, i'll go with Brook D'Leau

imo, beyonce is too soulless to do great "real" i.e. live band R&B music

Brook D'Leau needs no real explanation, I think Beyonce could've possibly pulled off a song like "Mr. Mister" as good or better than Jack Davey herself (Although i'd rather hear her than Yonce in general). It would get OKP/music nerd respect and still be pop accessible.


John Hill and Santi herself are credited as having produced stuff on Santogold's s/t album like "Lights Out" and "LES Artistes"...I think Beyonce could possibly pull off doing songs like those, and it would come off dope..

Designer Drugs are an electro-house duo that did this Mariah Carey remix, which I love:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjg3YeaBsuc

I think you could replace Mariah with Beyonce on that and it would still come off dope..

So the album would be some slightly "indie" sounding pop-rock but dope pop-rock, like the Santogold songs, some more electro R&B like J*Davey, some electro house-ish stuff, and throw in a The-Dream and Tricky Stewart track or two for good measure


That would probably be what I'd do if I could A&R a Beyonce album

Have you heard her sing over Mayfield's Think? She may lack artistic vision but as a pure vocalist she's incredible.

she acts and sounds like an actress/model, even singing on the curtis mayfield sample. i think she can sing, but isn't a GREAT singer, and isn't very soulful.

and I'm serious.

Let him lock B up somwhere in Houston for two months, crank out 11 songs, the world would go mad.

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perspective.

And that Alicia Bond song collab didn't really set the world on fire.

Sad to say but it looks like he peaked with Elephant in 2003. Since then he's been busy but spreading himself too thin.

I remember the dropoff between Elephant and Get Behind Me Satan being unbelievable. I was stunned, and while I liked "Steady as She Goes", the Raconteurs output was pretty average. But this Dead Weather album is superb, sees Jack playing drums with the girl from the Kills, who I've never heard of. It's really strong, almost perfect from top to bottom no bullshit

I agree with both Foreign Exchange and Quest and James Poyser. Neither would be unreasonable.

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Just Blaze

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Fresh outta lockup Wayne?

Swizzy?

Settin trends from start to finish.

that's the album you would make with your first record.

and besides, Beyonce doesn't need the respect of OKP, nor should she want to. we aren't paying her bills.

and I like Beyonce, by the way...



but that's all the more reason why we shouldn't give a shit if she sells or not. This is a fantasy post, fam--indulge or not, but don't make it more serious than it is. Just a pure music nerd* fantasy about what we'd want to see her try.



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Because she's a major pop icon, but in 15-20 years, she doesn't have any major work of art that the youth will be able to look at and understand her importance and impact...right now, she has a grip of singles, but her first album was good (not quite classic) and the others were blah

>Because she's a major pop icon, but in 15-20 years, she
>doesn't have any major work of art that the youth will be able
>to look at and understand her importance and impact...right
>now, she has a grip of singles, but her first album was good
>(not quite classic) and the others were blah

i just don't think it'll matter to the youth one way or the other....i mean:

diana ross
madonna
whitney houston

they were all pop icons of their day, and none of their music matters to the youth because they're considered as old. whether beyonce makes the "classic" record or not, the youth won't care because someone else will be more relevant.

With "Illmatic" "Chronic" "Off the wall" "Songs in the key of life" and many albums that just stand out as classic albums for the era and genre, the youth, especially those who are at the age that they want to discover older music, will look at these works of art. I don't even know the name of a single Diana Ross album...which is probably her fault for making trendy Pop music during her time.

>I don't even know the name of a single
>Diana Ross album...which is probably her fault for making
>trendy Pop music during her time.

if anything, i think she should just make an album of dance singles. that would be dope, and i'm not a beyonce fan.

They run the Truth and Soul label (they put out the latest Lee Fields album) and produced the Aloe Blacc song that plays over the How to Make It In America credit sequence.

James Murphy from LCD Soundsystem could make a pretty great dance/disco album with her.

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I was gonna say that shit too..

He'd be tryna pull from the vaults lol.

^^^correct answer

The Dap-Kings.. perhaps with a producer ala Mark Ronson (maybe even Mr. Thompson) with them on the Winehouse album, wouldn't have to be Ronson though. They would lend that real good vintage sound to the record and it would really be a new look for Beyonce.

Another option would be a more hard hip-hop inspired but still pop/r&b record with some production from Preem, Pete, maybe Hi-Tek, and some live instrumentation as well.

A third option, the one and only: Prince

I know he's got respect for B, he said it in an interview. We all know Prince can bring it. That would be a super hypeable project.

If B got them to do her album, it'd basically be an imitation, and with the way Amy laid down that album, the comparisons would likely be unfavorable. Not to mention she'd be years and years late, AND Christina Aguilera already attempted to do the same thing with Back to Basics.

Now if Beyonce were doing a (original) Black Album (concept), i.e., 12 songs, 12 producers, they'd HAVE to be on my list. But not a whole album.

I feels you. I guess I was thinking more like.. what would be really good music, and also, what would be different for her and cast her in a whole new light, not so much that people would think "gimmick" and "imitation" and you are right, if I thought it out more I would have came to that.

However... as far as the "album that earns her the respect of true music heads" deal.. to me true music heads don't care about any of that and just listen to the music. If it's dope it's dope. Plus her shit would come out much diff than Winehouse because of her personality being different, and also maybe with a different producer at the helm with the Kings other than Ronson.

Just an idea, I hear you though, very good point.

i don't think that's a given. the winehouse album wasn't an imitation of a sharon jones album.

similar? sure. imitation. nah.

probably unfairly so, but it would. it wouldn't be the same thing as a amy winehouse-sharon jones comparison, b/c when back to black dropped, sharon jones hadn't won multiple grammys for her work with the dap kings. beyonce would be working w/that sort of handicap vis-a-vis amy winehouse.

don't get me wrong -- i think it'd sound great -- but i don't think it'd break new ground, even in the sense that this post means. after all, the blueprint was essentially kanye's commercial breakthrough, although he had done previously well-received production work.

mark ronson/?uest/dap kings - strong as album cuts...2nd tier singles
diplo/switch - alt banger, buzz single
dream/tricky/swizz - modern r&b covered, but the craziest thing they can come up with
sa ra/ bilal - that sticky sexy ballad

have santi and marsha write like a coupe of folks already said. have randy watson exec p. since they know most of the parties

She's gotta have at least one Swizz beat though.

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That would probably work well. He's good at creating stuff that sounds vintage/authentic/live instruments yet somehow manages to fit in with the most mainstream possible pop.

She should get dude who does Wale's gogo-esque beats to give her some bangers. Is it Best Kept Secret? I think it would be interesting to hear her on one of his tracks for since her uptempo singles are usually very percussion driven.

With all the energy + Go-Go feel.

then I would say:

Brock (J Davey frame)
Nicolay
& PPP

Could create a very unique Euro/Pop/Electric/Soulful/Hip Hop sound that would seperate Beyonce from the other artist and official put her stamp on the game as on top...

If she was to play it safer then Kanye...

Would the public even accept a artsy album from the biggest and commercially successful female artist/entertainer of the past 10 years?

Beyonce is waaaaaaaay too far gone to be considered ANYTHING artsy, critically acclaimed or grassroots..Isn't that the lane/void that Solange was souped to fill anyway? The Artsy One?

And I don think thats a bad thing by the way, of Beyonce being the queen of pop culture, because every era needs it's icons, but I dont think it's possible for Beyonce to pull off a artsy type track..Even her artsy stuff would become pop, because her exposure is just that polorizing that even her experiment stuff would eventually cross over, because of who she is..

Just like when Jay made Blueprint, that speed up soul sample sound that came from the blueprint went pop and became the standard sound of hip-hop for a good minute

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>Songwriting would be R.Kelly, El Debarge, Burt
>Bachrach,Brenda Russell,Carol King.

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actually if he wrote the type of songs he wrote for MJ or some of the stuff he is capable of and not any of his nonsense, I could get with it.

or a When a Women's fed up type of cut or something along the lines he gave Syleena Johnson and then you see what I mean and for my money R is the only Modern day writer who could do something that could capture her church roots IMO. that is what she needs to remind folks of that earthy tone.

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so give her a studio and a band and the responsibility to write and produce an album by herself

...honestly feel like the flytetyme team has had it's day, for (B) I would humbly submit some names: On production: carl "chucky" thompson, more rodney jerkins, more fanatic, some "prince" (if he'd do it), teddy riley might be hot(?)...Writing-Wise: makeba riddick, brandy, katy perry, amille harris, faith evans.

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I think that's up for debate..."come 2 my house" was totally in the vein of the previous work they'd already done. Straight funk, with really no attention paid to a a-b-c format as far as the verses and the hook..

I thought the Queen La track should have hit..

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i dont know which producer though. but youd need lots of songwriters offering their best material.

along with being a songwriter????
I'd like to hear her over a studio band, but not something that's produced to sound big
I'm thinking something that's more intimate sounding where everything's not in your face, something more nuanced

Dam-Funk

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i'd want destiny's child singing background vocals...even latoya luckett.

before anyone gets all uppity, it's not your fault. it has nothing to do with you, because this is a trick question. fear not though, for there IS an answer.

the answer being, of course, there IS no answer.

yonce DOES NOT HAVE IT IN HER. she doesn't. it's not there, doesn't exist.

13 tracks + 2 bonus tracks

Kanye (5 songs)
Just Blaze (4 songs)
Bink (3 songs)
Timbo (1 song)
Poke and Tone (1 song)
Eminem (1 song)

1 Guest appearance: Eminem

So I'd follow a similar format:
13 tracks + 2 bonus tracks

Maxwell (along with Stuart Matthewman & Hod David) (along with 'the band') (4 songs)
Tricky Stewart (3 songs)
John "SK" McGee, Troy taylor (2 songs)
Jam and Lewis (2 songs)
Rich Harrison (2 songs)
Swiss (1 song)
R. Kelly (1 song)

2 Guest appearances: Maxwell (duet), All members of Destiny's Child (All 5 former members: Beyoncé Knowles, Kelly Rowland, Michelle Williams, LaTavia Roberson and LeToya Luckett.)

Writers: Trey Songz (2), Jam and Lewis(2), Marsha Ambrosius(5), Maxwell(4) & Beyonce (2) (though most of this would be team efforts with B). This writing team would guarantee that the vocal arrangements would be awesome.

-Swiss and Rich would handle the uptempo pop songs, but they'd have edge and would be toned down from their typical sound. (2 songs)

-Rich would also contribute a Midtempo track along with two from tricky stewart (think 'Rocking that thang'/'I love your girl' by Dream). The Rich mid-tempo would likely be one of the bonus tracks and it would be the Destiny's Child song, Entitled 'Girls' Tyme'. (3 songs)

-R. Kelly would cover the flirty slow jam. This would be the 2nd bonus track.

-Jam and lewis would contribute two beautifully produced and sonically dripping 'make love' songs. Think Usher's 'Mars vs Venus' and Trey Songz' "We Should Be". (2 songs)

-John "SK" McGee and Troy taylor would submit a romantic range of production. Think Trey Songz' "It would be", "You Belong to Me" and "Scratchin' Me Up". (2 songs)

-Tricky would also add a slow melodic track a la 'Fancy' by Dream.

-Maxwell's teams contributions would be one up tempo band driven track a la "Phoenix Rise" and 3 other silky more adult themed records (think Bad Habits, Drowndeep: Hula, Til the cops come knocking.

I'd take extra care to make sure that there was a lightly transitioned theme and fluidity to the album. It would have a wider range of topic matter also.

If I was in control, I would be executive producer, although I would produce one track on there. However, I have many people I'd like to see work with her.





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something that will get me to come back to her when she's FAT, OLD & UGLY! Because right now she's just an image.

IF he makes a few beats then great, but I think he can push her in that direction creatively

One album with him and we might see Beyonce start to fill her potential. I like maxxx's idea of having Meshell Ndegeocello & Carol King in on the project as well.

She needs a sea change.

she would have to be singing on the real. i'd welcome that big time. props on that

Plus her songs would be pushed to a higher level in terms of quality (lyrics, sounds, etc).

co sign all of that.

but I tell you, I really don't think she has a Diana ('80) in her

That album is amazing...

I think if she only made three original songs, the album would sell well enough. The rest of the songs could be covers. She just needs the right people in Nashville to help her out.

It would be a challenge for her and would force her to work harder than she has worked in a long time. Her image would have to change a bit, as I don't think booty shaking would be the best way to win over an audience.

I believe that she could gain a whole new audience without even alienating her core fan base. She just needs her singles to have a slight R&B edge. A collaboration with the Drake of country music, Taylor Swift, would be the icing on the cake.

I would love to see her country songs on TV playing when I watch PBR (Professional Bull Riding).

with russ elevado engineering.

5 Choices:


Dam Funk- Give her some uptempo Electro Funk joints
Raphael Saadiq- Think Jill Scott's 'Spring Summer Feeling'
Dre & Vidal - Them dudes are VERY versatile
Rich Harrison- For the 'In Your Face' relevance
Kenny Dope or 4Hero- Tell me she wouldn't kill them



And for the unknown Honorable Mention producer:


Me.

She's worked with just about every major producer throughout her career, and considering how just about all of them are chasing a pretty similar sound (minimalist and synth-based, preferably with 808 drums), I can't think of too many producers nowadays that are unique and popular enough to execute this task (though Polow da Don does come to mind). The ones that I can think of are mostly related to an era that I prefer:

Timbaland (1996-2001)
The Neptunes ('Justified' era)
R. Kelly (1995-1999)
Devante Swing (yep, out of retirement...1993-1995)
LaFace (up to 1999)
Jimmy Jim and Terry Lewis (the (late) 1980s)
Gamble and Huff (even their work with LaBelle recently was pretty good, in addition to their work in the 1970s)
Teddy Riley (1987 to mid-1990s)

Even then, she'd probably face scrutiny for sounding too much like *insert artist name here who had hits with named producer(s) in named era*. Her status as THE pop starlet alone puts her underneath that magnifying glass. If she goes too far into the avant-garde hipster-soul/funk sound, she'll probably draw comparisons to her sister, Janelle Monae, or Santigold. If she goes into a more stripped, live sound, she'll probably be compared to Corinne Bailey-Rae or Ledisi. If she goes too deep into whatever's hot in contemporary R&B, then she might get lost in the sea of women that are also following the sound of the moment (least likely since she has a machine behind her that most songstresses don't have); she can probably take note from Usher's promotion of his latest album and how he's performing against his competition in light of this.

Still at this point, she has very little competition and is almost, like certain companies in the past year or so, "too big to fail", so no matter what route she may take musically for her next album, she'll be likely to succeed (so check the "pop world" section off).

For the "OKP/nerds" to laud it, other than who I've listed above, maybe ?uestlove and James Poyser and those that belonged to the A Touch of Jazz production crew back in 2002 (or the people I thought she would've worked with back then). They seem skilled and versatile enough to make memorable, musical records for nearly all formats for her, all while incorporating elements of the sounds that have generated her success.

Sidenote:
I thought that she would've accomplished both with her first album. Check this October 2002 issue of Vibe: http://books.google.com/books?id=tyUEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false.

At the time, she already had the "pop" exposure and adopted more of a bohemian image with a desire to do more of a 1970s soul/funk album for her first solo venture. However, her first single in that vein ("Work It Out") didn't perform very well on the charts, and her look almost reverted back to her DC days by the time she appeared on Jay-Z's first single for 'BP2' not long after.

'DIL' struck me as a pretty standard effort for a female pop/R&B singer; only "Crazy In Love" somewhat seemed to capture the sound she says she aimed for in 2002.

To me, 'B'Day' was that album that managed to marry contemporary pop with a '70s soul/funk sensibility that existed in her first solo single (i.e. heavily percussive, vocally dynamic). The album was a slow starter because of her risky first two singles choices, but as soon as "Irreplaceable" hit, it gained momentum that led to a deluxe release, in addition to video production for every song on it. This album probably provides the strongest argument as the 'Blueprint' of her catalogue thus far.

"Irreplaceable" joined Usher's "Burn" and "Confessions" as records that served as templates for other artists to use for singles, but shockingly Beyonce arguably used one of her own songs as a template for a lead-in single ("Get Me Bodied" -> "Single Ladies") for her latest album as well, which is more like 'DIL' than 'B'Day' in content. (Though with her latest song with Alicia Keys, one could argue that "heavy (live?) drums mixed with light melodies" has become her trademark sound.)

If her alternation from album to album is any indication, then I think that she'll take more risks with her sound the next time around, which is almost apparent in her recent collaborations with Lady Gaga and a desire to work with Of Montreal for her next album. In addition to her status, she just may also be more successful out the gate the next time around because of the increasingly centrist nature of pop music every year.

If not as a honest response then someone trying to be provocative...go figure OKP's aren't the ironic assholes Talib thinks we are, lolol

Beyonce doesnt have a "clean your house" record yet...i would shape the sound so that this record would be a soundtrack to clean the house on a saturday morning/afternoon..it would lead more towards songs like "me, myself, and i" and "flaws and yalls" over "upgrade u" and "freak'em dress"

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on some of the slow cuts, at least....but i think he should do some of the fast cuts, too


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sa-ra, poysner.. would get me hype. but ia with those sayin she doesn't have it in her